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"That'll be a no then? "Wrong. I describe myself as bi because I have, pre transition, slept with women and enjoyed aspects of that. Post op, my natural inclinations come to the fore and i'm focused on men. What will the future hold? I don't know. Sexuality I suspect is fluid and social conditioning leads us to define ourselves as hetero / homo / bi.. Personally I think should labels are more applicable to love relationships not the sex act. In which case I am 100% hetero | |||
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"Are you asking about post op trans men or women? As post op people they quite often list themselves as straight if they only sleep with people of the opposite gender to the one they have aligned their bodies to. They may not be forum users though. " Confusion, best ignored | |||
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"Just wondering if such people exist?" You will get the odd Tran claiming they are hetrosexual, but by and by they will engage in homosexual activities... | |||
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" odd Tran claiming they are hetrosexual, " Oh boy.... The question refers to Transsexuals not TV/CD's. The two are most definitely NOT the same. As a post-op TS who describes herself as bisexual because I have, when forced to live a Transgender lifestyle as a man, slept with women and enjoyed aspects of that (giving oral)... I would suggest that the majority of Transsexual females are straight. That is the majority only sleep with men. I know that I certainly have post-op. | |||
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" odd Tran claiming they are hetrosexual, Oh boy.... The question refers to Transsexuals not TV/CD's. The two are most definitely NOT the same. As a post-op TS who describes herself as bisexual because I have, when forced to live a Transgender lifestyle as a man, slept with women and enjoyed aspects of that (giving oral)... I would suggest that the majority of Transsexual females are straight. That is the majority only sleep with men. I know that I certainly have post-op. " I used the term TRAN... your just spreading confusion to a very simple thread | |||
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" ".....odd Tran claiming they are hetrosexual," ------- Oh boy.... The question refers to Transsexuals not TV/CD's. The two are most definitely NOT the same. As a post-op TS who describes herself as bisexual because I have, when forced to live a Transgender lifestyle as a man, slept with women and enjoyed aspects of that (giving oral)... I would suggest that the majority of Transsexual females are straight. That is the majority only sleep with men. I know that I certainly have post-op. ------- "I used the term TRAN... your just spreading confusion to a very simple thread"" Yes you used the words "odd Tran claiming to be Heterosexual". From the perspective of a TV/CD who believes that their (often sexualised) behavior makes them the same as a Transsexual ie someone born with a deformed body that causes gender dysphoria, you may have the misplaced belief that most Transsexuals are gay/bi ie crossdressing males who have sex with other males. However this is not the case. This question was about transsexuals. Not Transvestites or Crossdressering males, nor the wider umbrella term of Transgender that defines a person whose (daily not occasional) external gender expression doesn't match their physical sex and hence assigned gender at birth? It was about Transsexuals. That is those diagnosed with gender dysphoria, who have undergone cross sex therapies to correct the physical deformation of the bodies. So on the subject of Transsexual females, the norm from my personal experience as a post-op Transsexual female is that the majority, as with the wider population, are straight ie sleep with men. Note: If you class such females as gay because they sleep with men, then you are, by implication, not accepting them as female and are wherefore being Transphobic. But yes. As a post op Transsexual female, I am obviously confused about the whole medical subject of Transsexualism, and am spreading confusion  | |||
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"Are you asking about post op trans men or women? As post op people they quite often list themselves as straight if they only sleep with people of the opposite gender to the one they have aligned their bodies to. They may not be forum users though. Confusion, best ignored" Confusion? Ignore who? I thought it fairly clear. | |||
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"Are you asking about post op trans men or women? As post op people they quite often list themselves as straight if they only sleep with people of the opposite gender to the one they have aligned their bodies to. They may not be forum users though. Confusion, best ignored Confusion? Ignore who? I thought it fairly clear. " Fakes, attentions seekers and fantasists seeking to impose their mythical Trans heirarchy to the detriment of the vast bulk of the Trans community.. | |||
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"Fakes, attentions seekers and fantasists seeking to impose their mythical Trans heirarchy to the detriment of the vast bulk of the Trans community.."  Trans hierachy? 
No sugar... I apply the medical and legal definition of Transgenderism / Transsexualism, not the political definition as promoted by the Gay Rights movement that wishes to see male TV/CD's defined as Transgender in law for the political advantage of LGB Plc
Let me quote the NHS for you.... 
"Gender dysphoria is a condition where a person experiences discomfort or distress because there's a mismatch between their biological sex and gender identity. It's sometimes known as gender identity disorder (GID), gender incongruence or transgenderism. Some people with gender dysphoria have a strong and persistent desire to live according to their gender identity, rather than their biological sex. These people are sometimes called transsexual or trans people. Some trans people have treatment to make their physical appearance more consistent with their gender identity. Gender dysphoria isn't the same as transvestism or cross-dressing and isn't related to sexual orientation. People with the condition may identify as straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual or asexual, and this may change with treatment." Source: http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/Pages/Introduction.aspx  | |||
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"My friend is straight it's just she's wait to had her walnut chopped off" 
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"Are you asking about post op trans men or women? As post op people they quite often list themselves as straight if they only sleep with people of the opposite gender to the one they have aligned their bodies to. They may not be forum users though. Confusion, best ignored Confusion? Ignore who? I thought it fairly clear. Fakes, attentions seekers and fantasists seeking to impose their mythical Trans heirarchy to the detriment of the vast bulk of the Trans community.." Ah. Another dig at me | |||
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"Are you asking about post op trans men or women? As post op people they quite often list themselves as straight if they only sleep with people of the opposite gender to the one they have aligned their bodies to. They may not be forum users though. Confusion, best ignored Confusion? Ignore who? I thought it fairly clear. Fakes, attentions seekers and fantasists seeking to impose their mythical Trans heirarchy to the detriment of the vast bulk of the Trans community.. Ah. Another dig at me "Another falsehood... | |||
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"Fakes, attentions seekers and fantasists seeking to impose their mythical Trans heirarchy to the detriment of the vast bulk of the Trans community.. Trans hierachy?
No sugar... I apply the medical and legal definition of Transgenderism / Transsexualism, not the political definition as promoted by the Gay Rights movement that wishes to see male TV/CD's defined as Transgender in law for the political advantage of LGB Plc
Let me quote the NHS for you....
Gender dysphoria is a condition where a person experiences discomfort or distress because there's a mismatch between their biological sex and gender identity. It's sometimes known as gender identity disorder (GID), gender incongruence or transgenderism.
Some people with gender dysphoria have a strong and persistent desire to live according to their gender identity, rather than their biological sex. These people are sometimes called transsexual or trans people. Some trans people have treatment to make their physical appearance more consistent with their gender identity.
Gender dysphoria isn't the same as transvestism or cross-dressing and isn't related to sexual orientation. People with the condition may identify as straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual or asexual, and this may change with treatment.
Source: http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/Pages/Introduction.aspx
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"Fakes, attentions seekers and fantasists seeking to impose their mythical Trans heirarchy to the detriment of the vast bulk of the Trans community.. Trans hierachy?
No sugar... I apply the medical and legal definition of Transgenderism / Transsexualism, not the political definition as promoted by the Gay Rights movement that wishes to see male TV/CD's defined as Transgender in law for the political advantage of LGB Plc
Let me quote the NHS for you....
Gender dysphoria is a condition where a person experiences discomfort or distress because there's a mismatch between their biological sex and gender identity. It's sometimes known as gender identity disorder (GID), gender incongruence or transgenderism.
Some people with gender dysphoria have a strong and persistent desire to live according to their gender identity, rather than their biological sex. These people are sometimes called transsexual or trans people. Some trans people have treatment to make their physical appearance more consistent with their gender identity.
Gender dysphoria isn't the same as transvestism or cross-dressing and isn't related to sexual orientation. People with the condition may identify as straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual or asexual, and this may change with treatment.
Source: http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/Pages/Introduction.aspx
Try waving your knickers in the air for attention...."OK I'm bored now. Too busy being the female you like to pretend to be. Save your male competitive ego stuff for someone else. | |||
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"Fakes, attentions seekers and fantasists seeking to impose their mythical Trans heirarchy to the detriment of the vast bulk of the Trans community.. Trans hierachy?
No sugar... I apply the medical and legal definition of Transgenderism / Transsexualism, not the political definition as promoted by the Gay Rights movement that wishes to see male TV/CD's defined as Transgender in law for the political advantage of LGB Plc
Let me quote the NHS for you....
Gender dysphoria is a condition where a person experiences discomfort or distress because there's a mismatch between their biological sex and gender identity. It's sometimes known as gender identity disorder (GID), gender incongruence or transgenderism.
Some people with gender dysphoria have a strong and persistent desire to live according to their gender identity, rather than their biological sex. These people are sometimes called transsexual or trans people. Some trans people have treatment to make their physical appearance more consistent with their gender identity.
Gender dysphoria isn't the same as transvestism or cross-dressing and isn't related to sexual orientation. People with the condition may identify as straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual or asexual, and this may change with treatment.
Source: http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/Pages/Introduction.aspx
Try waving your knickers in the air for attention....
OK I'm bored now. Too busy being the female you like to pretend to be. Save your male competitive ego stuff for someone else."Come to the Attic swingers club on their Trans days, we can have some pics took together, we can post them online and let others judge whom is pretending to be a female... | |||
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"Are you asking about post op trans men or women? As post op people they quite often list themselves as straight if they only sleep with people of the opposite gender to the one they have aligned their bodies to. They may not be forum users though. Confusion, best ignored Confusion? Ignore who? I thought it fairly clear. Fakes, attentions seekers and fantasists seeking to impose their mythical Trans heirarchy to the detriment of the vast bulk of the Trans community.. Ah. Another dig at me
Another falsehood..."A tad obsessed with your heirarchy idea, I see. I'm certainly no fake, attention, seeker or fantasist and I make a point of supporting the community. Just because we don't see eye to eye on calling people 'tranny ' doesn't necessitate you to belittle my opinions. | |||
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"Are you asking about post op trans men or women? As post op people they quite often list themselves as straight if they only sleep with people of the opposite gender to the one they have aligned their bodies to. They may not be forum users though. Confusion, best ignored Confusion? Ignore who? I thought it fairly clear. Fakes, attentions seekers and fantasists seeking to impose their mythical Trans heirarchy to the detriment of the vast bulk of the Trans community.. Ah. Another dig at me
Another falsehood...
A tad obsessed with your heirarchy idea, I see.
I'm certainly no fake, attention, seeker or fantasist and I make a point of supporting the community.
Just because we don't see eye to eye on calling people 'tranny ' doesn't necessitate you to belittle my opinions.
"Learn to have a thick neck, real time Trans learn that as they walk the walk... Get out of the closet and out and about... Best advice I can give you.. Treat the forums as debate, humour and banter | |||
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"Are you asking about post op trans men or women? As post op people they quite often list themselves as straight if they only sleep with people of the opposite gender to the one they have aligned their bodies to. They may not be forum users though. Confusion, best ignored Confusion? Ignore who? I thought it fairly clear. Fakes, attentions seekers and fantasists seeking to impose their mythical Trans heirarchy to the detriment of the vast bulk of the Trans community.. Ah. Another dig at me
Another falsehood...
A tad obsessed with your heirarchy idea, I see.
I'm certainly no fake, attention, seeker or fantasist and I make a point of supporting the community.
Just because we don't see eye to eye on calling people 'tranny ' doesn't necessitate you to belittle my opinions.
Learn to have a thick neck, real time Trans learn that as they walk the walk...
Get out of the closet and out and about...
Best advice I can give you..
Treat the forums as debate, humour and banter"Out? Like in the real world?
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"Are you asking about post op trans men or women? As post op people they quite often list themselves as straight if they only sleep with people of the opposite gender to the one they have aligned their bodies to. They may not be forum users though. Confusion, best ignored Confusion? Ignore who? I thought it fairly clear. Fakes, attentions seekers and fantasists seeking to impose their mythical Trans heirarchy to the detriment of the vast bulk of the Trans community.. Ah. Another dig at me
Another falsehood...
A tad obsessed with your heirarchy idea, I see.
I'm certainly no fake, attention, seeker or fantasist and I make a point of supporting the community.
Just because we don't see eye to eye on calling people 'tranny ' doesn't necessitate you to belittle my opinions.
Learn to have a thick neck, real time Trans learn that as they walk the walk...
Get out of the closet and out and about...
Best advice I can give you..
Treat the forums as debate, humour and banter"Thank you for your input but I take advice from people who've transitioned before me. From my friends. Not from people who dress for fun. I live my life my way. I'm out as me to my world. I walk my walk wherever I go and hold my head high. If you were able to see my profile you'd see most of my pictures are of me in the real world. Please refrain from presuming you know me. You clearly have not a clue. | |||
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"Come to the Attic swingers club on their Trans days, we can have some pics took together, we can post them online and let others judge whom is pretending to be a female... " Male/Female are sex categories Man/Woman are social gender categories Post pictures? OK. Your cock is on your profile. My fanny is on mine. Let ask shall we?
You may adopt the clothing of the social gender category "woman" but from looking at your profile you have a male sex. Therefore you are a male who dresses (occasionally maybe??) as a woman i.e. you are a TV/CD male. You are not, according to the NHS... Transgender / Transsexual.
As such my words are accurate. As I am a post-opertive Transsexual female i.e. I have a neo-vagina, I am classed in law as "female", so these words "Too busy being the female you like to pretend to be. Save your male competitive ego stuff for someone else." are valid.
Further, if you want proof of why you fail to understand what it is to be female, I suggest you re-read your words again...
"Come to the Attic swingers club on their Trans days, we can have some pics took together, we can post them online and let others judge whom is pretending to be a female..."
It is clear from this that you believe that being female is an "image". A "look" that can be put on or taken off as easily as a pair of knickers or boxer shorts. I guess you never learned to understand what sexism is. Nor how offensive it is for ALL females, to have their sex reduced down to an image.
I am female because I was born trans-female. Not because I wear knickers instead of boxer shorts. The years of medical assessments that I went through was to prove to the NHS that I have a physical birth condition that requires medical treatment. The NHS does not fund treatments based upon the sexual kinks of a male, but upon the medical needs of a female suffering a deformed body.
The image and gay sexuality based view of Transgenderism that you espouse is detrimental to the wellbeing and health of ALL trans people, but especially those per-puberty Transkids that could be treated before their bodies deformed, if it wasn't for the wider social opinion that being Trans is a sexual kink.So before you suggest I meet you in a sex club to see who "looks more like a female".... I suggest you stop and think about how it feels as a three year to be emotionally, psychologically and sometimes physically abused because society insists you are a boy, when you know that you are a girl.
You "act" like a woman in an attempt to "look" like a female.
I am a female. How I look is irrelevant.
To believe the female sex is validated by the mastery of a correct "look", is to be a sexist dick.
Now... I really am bored of this. So please stop with all the attacking BS and stop spouting on about something you clearly know nothing about.
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"[Removed by poster at 06/05/17 23:12:32]" Struggling dear? | |||
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"Are you asking about post op trans men or women? As post op people they quite often list themselves as straight if they only sleep with people of the opposite gender to the one they have aligned their bodies to. They may not be forum users though. Confusion, best ignored Confusion? Ignore who? I thought it fairly clear. Fakes, attentions seekers and fantasists seeking to impose their mythical Trans heirarchy to the detriment of the vast bulk of the Trans community.. Ah. Another dig at me
Another falsehood...
A tad obsessed with your heirarchy idea, I see.
I'm certainly no fake, attention, seeker or fantasist and I make a point of supporting the community.
Just because we don't see eye to eye on calling people 'tranny ' doesn't necessitate you to belittle my opinions.
Learn to have a thick neck, real time Trans learn that as they walk the walk...
Get out of the closet and out and about...
Best advice I can give you..
Treat the forums as debate, humour and banter
Thank you for your input but I take advice from people who've transitioned before me. From my friends. Not from people who dress for fun.
I live my life my way. I'm out as me to my world. I walk my walk wherever I go and hold my head high.
If you were able to see my profile you'd see most of my pictures are of me in the real world.
Please refrain from presuming you know me. You clearly have not a clue. "Like said get out of the closet and lighten up | |||
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"Are you asking about post op trans men or women? As post op people they quite often list themselves as straight if they only sleep with people of the opposite gender to the one they have aligned their bodies to. They may not be forum users though. Confusion, best ignored Confusion? Ignore who? I thought it fairly clear. Fakes, attentions seekers and fantasists seeking to impose their mythical Trans heirarchy to the detriment of the vast bulk of the Trans community.. Ah. Another dig at me
Another falsehood...
A tad obsessed with your heirarchy idea, I see.
I'm certainly no fake, attention, seeker or fantasist and I make a point of supporting the community.
Just because we don't see eye to eye on calling people 'tranny ' doesn't necessitate you to belittle my opinions.
Learn to have a thick neck, real time Trans learn that as they walk the walk...
Get out of the closet and out and about...
Best advice I can give you..
Treat the forums as debate, humour and banter
Thank you for your input but I take advice from people who've transitioned before me. From my friends. Not from people who dress for fun.
I live my life my way. I'm out as me to my world. I walk my walk wherever I go and hold my head high.
If you were able to see my profile you'd see most of my pictures are of me in the real world.
Please refrain from presuming you know me. You clearly have not a clue.
Like said get out of the closet and lighten up"Yawn. I'm out luv. | |||
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"Like said get out of the closet and lighten up" I was told a long time ago that the difference between a TV and a TS was easy to see on any Friday or Saturday night. The TV would be down the pub in a skirt that barely covered their male genitalia, visible suspenders, stockings, strutting about with more drama than a coach load of Drag Queens on the way to a wig sale, and putting on a sex show worthy of the cheapest sleaze bar in Lower Manhattan. All "look at me look at me" The TS would be sitting at home in comfy sweatpants and a big baggy jumper to hide her deformed body, as she cried into her wine glass watching the chick flick. All "don't look at me. Don't look at me" | |||
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"Like said get out of the closet and lighten up I was told a long time ago that the difference between a TV and a TS was easy to see on any Friday or Saturday night. The TV would be down the pub in a skirt that barely covered their male genitalia, visible suspenders, stockings, strutting about with more drama than a coach load of Drag Queens on the way to a wig sale, and putting on a sex show worthy of the cheapest sleaze bar in Lower Manhattan. All "look at me look at me" The TS would be sitting at home in comfy sweatpants and a big baggy jumper to hide her deformed body, as she cried into her wine glass watching the chick flick. All "don't look at me. Don't look at me" " xx | |||
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"Like said get out of the closet and lighten up I was told a long time ago that the difference between a TV and a TS was easy to see on any Friday or Saturday night. The TV would be down the pub in a skirt that barely covered their male genitalia, visible suspenders, stockings, strutting about with more drama than a coach load of Drag Queens on the way to a wig sale, and putting on a sex show worthy of the cheapest sleaze bar in Lower Manhattan. All "look at me look at me" The TS would be sitting at home in comfy sweatpants and a big baggy jumper to hide her deformed body, as she cried into her wine glass watching the chick flick. All "don't look at me. Don't look at me" "Does a maxi dress and a baggy jumper count? Another wine please | |||
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"*mundane ill informed drivel removed* Thank you for your input but I take advice from people who've transitioned before me. From my friends. Not from people who dress for fun. I live my life my way. I'm out as me to my world. I walk my walk wherever I go and hold my head high. If you were able to see my profile you'd see most of my pictures are of me in the real world. Please refrain from presuming you know me. You clearly have not a clue. " To tell Rachael to get out of the closet and get out more, well that did make me chuckle. I had the pleasure of an afternoon of social chat over a coffee with her in a very public place. I listened to her and it is clear to see she is a woman. I wait for the day when she can remove the TV/TS label that she has to put up with simply because her genitalia do not match her true gender. She is very out indeed! | |||
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"Sneaking out of my bedroom closet later today. Oooo. The thrill
Actually, I'm just going out for a meal with friends. "You radical sex crazed floosy you! Hope you've got a clean micro-mini and sussies to go with the 6" heels and transparent top to show off your bra. It's important to "look like a woman" if you want people to respect and accept you as one. | |||
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"*mundane ill informed drivel removed* Thank you for your input but I take advice from people who've transitioned before me. From my friends. Not from people who dress for fun. I live my life my way. I'm out as me to my world. I walk my walk wherever I go and hold my head high. If you were able to see my profile you'd see most of my pictures are of me in the real world. Please refrain from presuming you know me. You clearly have not a clue. To tell Rachael to get out of the closet and get out more, well that did make me chuckle. I had the pleasure of an afternoon of social chat over a coffee with her in a very public place. I listened to her and it is clear to see she is a woman. I wait for the day when she can remove the TV/TS label that she has to put up with simply because her genitalia do not match her true gender. She is very out indeed!" More falsehoods, I know far, far more than you realise about our mutual closeted friend but forum rules forbid one from airing such things in public and rightly so... Sock puppets also spring to mind in this thread | |||
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"I'm just starting the change from m-f but I am a lot more attracted to females but have slept with males but didn't really enjoy it that much"
Welcome to the TranSisterhood. You'll find your sexuality will "evolve" as you cast off the shell of masculinity to reveal the transfemale you where born.
Remember.. you are not turning into a woman. You ARE a woman. One that is starting the process of fixing her deformed body.
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"I'm just starting the change from m-f but I am a lot more attracted to females but have slept with males but didn't really enjoy it that much
Welcome to the TranSisterhood. You'll find your sexuality will "evolve" as you cast off the shell of masculinity to reveal the transfemale you where born.
Remember.. you are not turning into a woman. You ARE a woman. One that is starting the process of fixing her deformed body.
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"*mundane ill informed drivel removed* Thank you for your input but I take advice from people who've transitioned before me. From my friends. Not from people who dress for fun. I live my life my way. I'm out as me to my world. I walk my walk wherever I go and hold my head high. If you were able to see my profile you'd see most of my pictures are of me in the real world. Please refrain from presuming you know me. You clearly have not a clue. To tell Rachael to get out of the closet and get out more, well that did make me chuckle. I had the pleasure of an afternoon of social chat over a coffee with her in a very public place. I listened to her and it is clear to see she is a woman. I wait for the day when she can remove the TV/TS label that she has to put up with simply because her genitalia do not match her true gender. She is very out indeed! More falsehoods, I know far, far more than you realise about our mutual closeted friend but forum rules forbid one from airing such things in public and rightly so... Sock puppets also spring to mind in this thread" You know nothing that I haven't aired publicly on here. Stop attempting to play games. You're just increasing your unpopularity. | |||
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" Just had to scroll to the top of the post to remind myself what the original question was."do u class yourself as straight I think lol | |||
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" it's not deformed it's just she's trapped in a body she doesn't want "Sort of. Most of the body is fine. Parts are deformed by testosterone. That's the birth condition. That deformity leads to emotional pain. Pain increased by society insisting the deformity defines the sex (gender) against the knowledge of the sufferer. But the sentiment behind your post is understood and warmly welcomed. | |||
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"Just wondering if such people exist?" can of worms u opened up op | |||
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"What does it all matter what you call yourself as long as your the best you and keep true to yourself and don't let others labels get u down your all beautiful so stop bitching and chill " So true .... | |||
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"At end of the day your all the version of a woman your comfortable with so be the best woman you can in what ever form your happy with" A good answer... | |||
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"At end of the day your all the version of a woman your comfortable with so be the best woman you can in what ever form your happy with A good answer..." I try to help be a hand of friendship like the united nations lol | |||
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"More falsehoods, I know far, far more than you realise about our mutual closeted friend but forum rules forbid one from airing such things in public and rightly so... Sock puppets also spring to mind in this thread" I feel sympathy and sadness for you . You seem to feel the need to constantly attack and this perhaps shows underlying issues. I hope one day you find the space to deal with them. Until that time comes, you may find the need to filter what you say or risk pushing everyone away. Whatever you do, I wish you all the best but I will not continue to feed your anger.
At the end of the day, I know what my eyes have seen. Rachael is very out indeed. | |||
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"And just when u think the lid is on it gets ripped off and thrown away" I don't think that was my intention, but I am sorry if you feel that my words had that effect. | |||
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"And just when u think the lid is on it gets ripped off and thrown away I don't think that was my intention, but I am sorry if you feel that my words had that effect." maybe it's best to let everyone get it off their chest or agree to disagree as this subject often spirals off into name calling and innuendo they should all get together and play nice | |||
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