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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Just wondering people's thoughts on this subject.
I'm definitely bisexual and my child is definitely gay.
Do you think it could be linked to genetics..hereditary ?
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago
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I would say no, however your own sexuality, mannerisms, how you act around your children, what clothes you put them in etc. has to have some effect on your children.
Our eldest at nine dresses very eclectically when outside of school. H has never forced it upon her, she has just grown up around it.
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"I would say no, however your own sexuality, mannerisms, how you act around your children, what clothes you put them in etc. has to have some effect on your children.
Our eldest at nine dresses very eclectically when outside of school. H has never forced it upon her, she has just grown up around it.
S"
I personally disagree with this because as a child I was brought up posh. I was always put is Laura Ashley dresses and made girly and proper. As soon as I found my own identity the fights started between my mother and I because she could no longer mold me as she wanted to. I'm adopted and I strongly belive that my genetics are why I don't fit in with my adoptive family. Xxx |
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago
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"I would say no, however your own sexuality, mannerisms, how you act around your children, what clothes you put them in etc. has to have some effect on your children.
Our eldest at nine dresses very eclectically when outside of school. H has never forced it upon her, she has just grown up around it.
S
I personally disagree with this because as a child I was brought up posh. I was always put is Laura Ashley dresses and made girly and proper. As soon as I found my own identity the fights started between my mother and I because she could no longer mold me as she wanted to. I'm adopted and I strongly belive that my genetics are why I don't fit in with my adoptive family. Xxx"
Once they were old enough to dress themselves we stopped telling them what to wear unless for a function. DM style boots, Rainbow coloured stripy tights, purple skirt, green top & a bright red coat today, just to play in the snow. Pretty standard stuff for the eldest 
Maybe the genes are there, it just takes something to bring them out? That something could be different for us all though, not a one size fits all thing?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I would say no, however your own sexuality, mannerisms, how you act around your children, what clothes you put them in etc. has to have some effect on your children.
Our eldest at nine dresses very eclectically when outside of school. H has never forced it upon her, she has just grown up around it.
S
I personally disagree with this because as a child I was brought up posh. I was always put is Laura Ashley dresses and made girly and proper. As soon as I found my own identity the fights started between my mother and I because she could no longer mold me as she wanted to. I'm adopted and I strongly belive that my genetics are why I don't fit in with my adoptive family. Xxx
Once they were old enough to dress themselves we stopped telling them what to wear unless for a function. DM style boots, Rainbow coloured stripy tights, purple skirt, green top & a bright red coat today, just to play in the snow. Pretty standard stuff for the eldest
Maybe the genes are there, it just takes something to bring them out? That something could be different for us all though, not a one size fits all thing?
S"
God I wish you were my mother! Even now I can't wear what I want to when I see her. I have to conform to her standards.  xxx |
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago
West Wales |
"I would say no, however your own sexuality, mannerisms, how you act around your children, what clothes you put them in etc. has to have some effect on your children.
Our eldest at nine dresses very eclectically when outside of school. H has never forced it upon her, she has just grown up around it.
S
I personally disagree with this because as a child I was brought up posh. I was always put is Laura Ashley dresses and made girly and proper. As soon as I found my own identity the fights started between my mother and I because she could no longer mold me as she wanted to. I'm adopted and I strongly belive that my genetics are why I don't fit in with my adoptive family. Xxx
Once they were old enough to dress themselves we stopped telling them what to wear unless for a function. DM style boots, Rainbow coloured stripy tights, purple skirt, green top & a bright red coat today, just to play in the snow. Pretty standard stuff for the eldest
Maybe the genes are there, it just takes something to bring them out? That something could be different for us all though, not a one size fits all thing?
S
God I wish you were my mother! Even now I can't wear what I want to when I see her. I have to conform to her standards. xxx"
fuck that..xx
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As far as being gay is concerned does not the fact that you only have m/m or f/f sex mean it is impossible to pass on any genes because you won't be getting pregnant.
I've no idea what determines whether we're gay, bi or straight but so what, we're all the same underneath.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I would say no, however your own sexuality, mannerisms, how you act around your children, what clothes you put them in etc. has to have some effect on your children.
Our eldest at nine dresses very eclectically when outside of school. H has never forced it upon her, she has just grown up around it.
S
I personally disagree with this because as a child I was brought up posh. I was always put is Laura Ashley dresses and made girly and proper. As soon as I found my own identity the fights started between my mother and I because she could no longer mold me as she wanted to. I'm adopted and I strongly belive that my genetics are why I don't fit in with my adoptive family. Xxx
Once they were old enough to dress themselves we stopped telling them what to wear unless for a function. DM style boots, Rainbow coloured stripy tights, purple skirt, green top & a bright red coat today, just to play in the snow. Pretty standard stuff for the eldest
Maybe the genes are there, it just takes something to bring them out? That something could be different for us all though, not a one size fits all thing?
S
God I wish you were my mother! Even now I can't wear what I want to when I see her. I have to conform to her standards. xxx
fuck that..xx
S"
Yes I often think that but tbh it's easier to just go with it as I only see her twice a year max. Yesterday I was demeaning myself for wearing hoop earrings in a pic I sent her.  xxx |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I think science will eventually determine that it isn't genetic. I believe we're born with minds already full of personality and idiosyncrasies. I don't believe that has anything to do with biology |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Speaking from a male perspective I believe it is in the genes. I knew from a very early age that I was attracted to men.
I attempted to live a straight life for many years but eventually I accepted my sexuality.
There was an interesting TV documentary by a celebrity male questioning why he was Gay when his older male siblings were straight. The conclusion of the programme suggested that there is a common link of the third male sibling having gay sexuality. I am the third male sibling in our family!!! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I would say no, however your own sexuality, mannerisms, how you act around your children, what clothes you put them in etc. has to have some effect on your children.
Our eldest at nine dresses very eclectically when outside of school. H has never forced it upon her, she has just grown up around it.
S
I personally disagree with this because as a child I was brought up posh. I was always put is Laura Ashley dresses and made girly and proper. As soon as I found my own identity the fights started between my mother and I because she could no longer mold me as she wanted to. I'm adopted and I strongly belive that my genetics are why I don't fit in with my adoptive family. Xxx
Once they were old enough to dress themselves we stopped telling them what to wear unless for a function. DM style boots, Rainbow coloured stripy tights, purple skirt, green top & a bright red coat today, just to play in the snow. Pretty standard stuff for the eldest
Maybe the genes are there, it just takes something to bring them out? That something could be different for us all though, not a one size fits all thing?
S
God I wish you were my mother! Even now I can't wear what I want to when I see her. I have to conform to her standards. xxx"
That's a shame you feel that way, but surely at your age you should be confident enough to dress how you want to. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Speaking from a male perspective I believe it is in the genes. I knew from a very early age that I was attracted to men.
I attempted to live a straight life for many years but eventually I accepted my sexuality.
There was an interesting TV documentary by a celebrity male questioning why he was Gay when his older male siblings were straight. The conclusion of the programme suggested that there is a common link of the third male sibling having gay sexuality. I am the third male sibling in our family!!!"
I wish I'd seen that documentary. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Speaking from a male perspective I believe it is in the genes. I knew from a very early age that I was attracted to men.
I attempted to live a straight life for many years but eventually I accepted my sexuality.
There was an interesting TV documentary by a celebrity male questioning why he was Gay when his older male siblings were straight. The conclusion of the programme suggested that there is a common link of the third male sibling having gay sexuality. I am the third male sibling in our family!!!"
If that is the case two of my brothers should be gay and at 58 and 47 there is no evidence to suggest they are |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"Speaking from a male perspective I believe it is in the genes. I knew from a very early age that I was attracted to men.
I attempted to live a straight life for many years but eventually I accepted my sexuality.
There was an interesting TV documentary by a celebrity male questioning why he was Gay when his older male siblings were straight. The conclusion of the programme suggested that there is a common link of the third male sibling having gay sexuality. I am the third male sibling in our family!!!
If that is the case two of my brothers should be gay and at 58 and 47 there is no evidence to suggest they are "
They are definitely Gay; it says so on TV; they are just in an air-tight closet  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Personally I think our sexuality is inherent at birth but not inherited. People can control their sexual behaviour but not who/what they are naturally and instinctively attracted to. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Not necessarily hereditary, but I think being open about it and not hiding the fact would be learnt from a good open minded parent."
My child actually thanked me for making it easy for him to come out. We live in a part of the country where it is still very much taboo, people think that gays should be put on an island and shot, so I am extremely proud that he's had the balls to come out at such a young age. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Speaking from a male perspective I believe it is in the genes. I knew from a very early age that I was attracted to men.
I attempted to live a straight life for many years but eventually I accepted my sexuality.
There was an interesting TV documentary by a celebrity male questioning why he was Gay when his older male siblings were straight. The conclusion of the programme suggested that there is a common link of the third male sibling having gay sexuality. I am the third male sibling in our family!!!
If that is the case two of my brothers should be gay and at 58 and 47 there is no evidence to suggest they are
They are definitely Gay; it says so on TV; they are just in an air-tight closet "
You may well be right but I suspect their wives might disagree |
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I don't know if it's genetic or if we all have our own place on the sexuality spectrum and some family environments make it easier to express where you are on it if it isn't at the straight as a die end.
I suppose as kids we thought all sexualities were 'normal' because we had great uncles who were gay and weren't aware that it wasn't usual for men to live together. |
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I think everyone is born bi-curious but we leave in a society where you have to take side and labelled. you are judged or place in a particular class or group based on what side you choose to take.
If the cave men and women were still alive today do they have names for FF/MM pretty sure some tribes perform some ritual which will be looked upon from an outsider as gay. |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"Speaking from a male perspective I believe it is in the genes. I knew from a very early age that I was attracted to men.
I attempted to live a straight life for many years but eventually I accepted my sexuality.
There was an interesting TV documentary by a celebrity male questioning why he was Gay when his older male siblings were straight. The conclusion of the programme suggested that there is a common link of the third male sibling having gay sexuality. I am the third male sibling in our family!!!
If that is the case two of my brothers should be gay and at 58 and 47 there is no evidence to suggest they are
They are definitely Gay; it says so on TV; they are just in an air-tight closet
You may well be right but I suspect their wives might disagree "
Their wives are Gay too and are covering up for them; I think that too was on TV |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Genes are little switches in each cell that, when turned on or off, tell the cell what to do. By claiming certain character traits are genetic you're essentially saying these cells didn't only build your body but built your mind too. This means you're a robot who isn't really alive as there's no such thing as "mind" and "being alive". As there is no mind, this means every other decision you make must also be determined by the instructions in your cells, right down to your decision to do it doggy style last night. In short, the closer you examine the thinking behind the idea character traits are genetic the less plausible it becomes |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Genes are little switches in each cell that, when turned on or off, tell the cell what to do. By claiming certain character traits are genetic you're essentially saying these cells didn't only build your body but built your mind too. This means you're a robot who isn't really alive as there's no such thing as "mind" and "being alive". As there is no mind, this means every other decision you make must also be determined by the instructions in your cells, right down to your decision to do it doggy style last night. In short, the closer you examine the thinking behind the idea character traits are genetic the less plausible it becomes "
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I definitely think it's genetic and not a lifestyle choice but dunno about hereditary as I know family's yet where out of 4 boys ... 2 are gay and 2 are str8 .. I know family's where one parent (gay) but children are str8 ... I think it can be too random for hereditary but defo a gene that impacts our sexuality and the spectrum can be a lot wider in range than our definitions as Str8 Bi or Gay .... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Genes are little switches in each cell that, when turned on or off, tell the cell what to do. By claiming certain character traits are genetic you're essentially saying these cells didn't only build your body but built your mind too. This means you're a robot who isn't really alive as there's no such thing as "mind" and "being alive". As there is no mind, this means every other decision you make must also be determined by the instructions in your cells, right down to your decision to do it doggy style last night. In short, the closer you examine the thinking behind the idea character traits are genetic the less plausible it becomes "
1. Previously I would have argued that character traits are learned behaviours but I have two grandsons who are reasonably close in age. The first was adopted at 18 months and the second raised by his birth parents for the first three years and then by his father who has full custody. We have recently been reunited with the first and he displays so many mannerisms and traits that his younger brother has ... which might suggest that there is something in the theory of nature over nurture?
2. Why does it not follow that the cells that build the body do not play a part in a person's psychological make up too? We are each born with a mind |
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By *ed wineMan
over a year ago
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Genes have A LOT to say about personality traits. However, the experiences we live have their importance as well. It could be said that genes form our predisposition to behave and experiences endurance or neglect it.
Sexual and gender orientation (they are different concepts) hasn't still a clear origin, but it is supposed to be a mixture of genetical predisposition, action of hormones (mainly testosterone) during the pregnancy and our vital experiences.
Historically, it was believed that homosexuality was an evolutionary mistake. However, there is strong statistical evidence that the daughters of gay men are generally more fertile than the average.
There is a lot to investigate on this. In my opinion, the important aspect is accept and support everyone's differences in sexual and gender's orientation |
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By *ed wineMan
over a year ago
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In my opinion, the important aspect is accept and support everyone's differences in sexual and gender's orientation
Absolutely agree. "
In some European countries, the treatment of changing of gender is covered by their national health system and legally, there is not discrimination of sexual orientation...
In other countries around the globe, homosexuals are lapidated...
Maybe one day, the word "extremism" will be forgotten... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I think sexuality is something you grow into not inherit or influenced into your either curious about having sex with samesex or not and it's wether your brave enough to act on those thoughts |
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By (user no longer on site)
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In my opinion, the important aspect is accept and support everyone's differences in sexual and gender's orientation
Absolutely agree. "
I worry that many people are fluid in their sexual preferences and would quite happily oscillate between gay bi and straight. But unfortunately we live in an era obsessed with categorising everything so I worry our support and enthusiasm actually coerces them into yet another lie; the pretence they're either gay bi or straight when they're fluid.
Just let people be whoever they want to be and, most importantly, let them change their minds and make mistakes |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If it was hereditary, Gay men would have become extinct thousands of years ago
It could be genetic "
How? Gay can become vogue look at the roman empire and now for examples |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It a fascinating subject.
I often envy the men who are unequivocally straight. My life would have been much easier if I could have been straight."
That's odd I often envy gay men not on who they are attracted to but for the freedom it allows them. Theirs so many opportunities for gay men in life now |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"If it was hereditary, Gay men would have become extinct thousands of years ago
It could be genetic How? Gay can become vogue look at the roman empire and now for examples"
How, what? Can you be clearer in your queries
1) How would Gay men have been extinct if it was hereditary?
2) How could homosexuality be genetic? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If it was hereditary, Gay men would have become extinct thousands of years ago
It could be genetic How? Gay can become vogue look at the roman empire and now for examples
How, what? Can you be clearer in your queries
1) How would Gay men have been extinct if it was hereditary?
2) How could homosexuality be genetic?"
The second one I can fully comprehend, yaya. But the first one, plenty of gay men have children to thus day so if it was hereditary they could still quite easily survive. |
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But I would like some actual evidence on how the genes change from engaging in sexual activity how does your genes tell the difference from sticky your dick in one hole from the other and how does that effect your genes. Anythings possible but how? |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"If it was hereditary, Gay men would have become extinct thousands of years ago
It could be genetic How? Gay can become vogue look at the roman empire and now for examples
How, what? Can you be clearer in your queries
1) How would Gay men have been extinct if it was hereditary?
2) How could homosexuality be genetic?The second one I can fully comprehend, yaya. But the first one, plenty of gay men have children to thus day so if it was hereditary they could still quite easily survive."
Gay men do not have sex with women just as Lesbian women do not have sex with men
Since IVF was not available until the last century, if homosexuality was hereditary, Gay men would have become extinct several thousand years ago
Those 'Gay' men who have sex with women are bisexual or aren't, by defination, homosexual. As far as I am aware, FabS 'straight' is just a jokey way of saying that the man isn't really heterosexual and if there is a FabS equivalent of Gay, then it probably means that the man isn't really Gay |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"By the way, sexual preference for the same gender is NOT at all exclusive to humans..."
I know but where is the correlation between genes and sexual activity is it a visual trigger etc. Because if it's genetic (passed down through genes) what's the starting point;was everyone straight then one famous day joecaveman altered the face of humanity forever by trying something different and the same goes for other animals and what is it that causes the genetic change is it dna and hormone exchange etc?
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By *osieWoman
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"But I would like some actual evidence on how the genes change from engaging in sexual activity how does your genes tell the difference from sticky your dick in one hole from the other and how does that effect your genes. Anythings possible but how?"
I thought that you had 'fully comprehended' that |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If it was hereditary, Gay men would have become extinct thousands of years ago
It could be genetic How? Gay can become vogue look at the roman empire and now for examples
How, what? Can you be clearer in your queries
1) How would Gay men have been extinct if it was hereditary?
2) How could homosexuality be genetic?The second one I can fully comprehend, yaya. But the first one, plenty of gay men have children to thus day so if it was hereditary they could still quite easily survive.
Gay men do not have sex with women just as Lesbian women do not have sex with men
Since IVF was not available until the last century, if homosexuality was hereditary, Gay men would have become extinct several thousand years ago
Those 'Gay' men who have sex with women are bisexual or aren't, by defination, homosexual. As far as I am aware, FabS 'straight' is just a jokey way of saying that the man isn't really heterosexual and if there is a FabS equivalent of Gay, then it probably means that the man isn't really Gay"
Not true whatsoever their have been plenty of gay man that have been forced into marriage to a women by society and the risk of imprisonment or worse. The modern day is a stark contrast to them days. The roman empire though was as open to gay relations or even more so than today |
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"But I would like some actual evidence on how the genes change from engaging in sexual activity how does your genes tell the difference from sticky your dick in one hole from the other and how does that effect your genes. Anythings possible but how?
I thought that you had 'fully comprehended' that"
Well I have comprehended the idea but where is science behind it? |
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"Just wondering people's thoughts on this subject.
I'm definitely bisexual and my child is definitely gay.
Do you think it could be linked to genetics..hereditary ?
Please discuss....."
This one is easy.
No.
There is no one factor which governs sexuality and circumstantial anecdotes are lovely but only scratch the surface.
And I imagine the factors are different for each person.
For some it is life experiences which drive them one way or another, some it seems to be from an early age. But with children, no matter what you read in a shit magazine, you cannot tell as behaviour is no indicator of sexuality whatsoever. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I Knew a family lived close by when we were kids two daughters were butch lesbians one son feminine gay and another son who was masculine and matcho as they come .confused ?? I used to be lol |
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"But I would like some actual evidence on how the genes change from engaging in sexual activity how does your genes tell the difference from sticky your dick in one hole from the other and how does that effect your genes. Anythings possible but how?
I thought that you had 'fully comprehended' that"
And why do you have to be snarky instead of contributing to the discussion and exchange ideas to come up with new ones |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"If it was hereditary, Gay men would have become extinct thousands of years ago
It could be genetic How? Gay can become vogue look at the roman empire and now for examples
How, what? Can you be clearer in your queries
1) How would Gay men have been extinct if it was hereditary?
2) How could homosexuality be genetic?The second one I can fully comprehend, yaya. But the first one, plenty of gay men have children to thus day so if it was hereditary they could still quite easily survive.
Gay men do not have sex with women just as Lesbian women do not have sex with men
Since IVF was not available until the last century, if homosexuality was hereditary, Gay men would have become extinct several thousand years ago
Those 'Gay' men who have sex with women are bisexual or aren't, by defination, homosexual. As far as I am aware, FabS 'straight' is just a jokey way of saying that the man isn't really heterosexual and if there is a FabS equivalent of Gay, then it probably means that the man isn't really GayNot true whatsoever their have been plenty of gay man that have been forced into marriage to a women by society and the risk of imprisonment or worse. The modern day is a stark contrast to them days. The roman empire though was as open to gay relations or even more so than today"
They Romans had sex with women too, so by definition, not Gay, but bisexual. The thread was about Gay/bi men. My comment was about Gay men |
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By *osieWoman
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"But I would like some actual evidence on how the genes change from engaging in sexual activity how does your genes tell the difference from sticky your dick in one hole from the other and how does that effect your genes. Anythings possible but how?
I thought that you had 'fully comprehended' thatAnd why do you have to be snarky instead of contributing to the discussion and exchange ideas to come up with new ones"
You have a weird world view of being 'snarky'. One comment you say you have 'fully comprehended' and the very next one, you state that you don't know why that is the case. Make up your mind so that people know what it is you are asking |
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"If it was hereditary, Gay men would have become extinct thousands of years ago
It could be genetic How? Gay can become vogue look at the roman empire and now for examples
How, what? Can you be clearer in your queries
1) How would Gay men have been extinct if it was hereditary?
2) How could homosexuality be genetic?The second one I can fully comprehend, yaya. But the first one, plenty of gay men have children to thus day so if it was hereditary they could still quite easily survive.
Gay men do not have sex with women just as Lesbian women do not have sex with men
Since IVF was not available until the last century, if homosexuality was hereditary, Gay men would have become extinct several thousand years ago
Those 'Gay' men who have sex with women are bisexual or aren't, by defination, homosexual. As far as I am aware, FabS 'straight' is just a jokey way of saying that the man isn't really heterosexual and if there is a FabS equivalent of Gay, then it probably means that the man isn't really GayNot true whatsoever their have been plenty of gay man that have been forced into marriage to a women by society and the risk of imprisonment or worse. The modern day is a stark contrast to them days. The roman empire though was as open to gay relations or even more so than today
They Romans had sex with women too, so by definition, not Gay, but bisexual. The thread was about Gay/bi men. My comment was about Gay men"
But like I said not all gay men who have had sex with women are bi but forced to be by constraints of society. |
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"I would say no, however your own sexuality, mannerisms, how you act around your children, what clothes you put them in etc. has to have some effect on your children.
Our eldest at nine dresses very eclectically when outside of school. H has never forced it upon her, she has just grown up around it.
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I personally disagree with this because as a child I was brought up posh. I was always put is Laura Ashley dresses and made girly and proper. As soon as I found my own identity the fights started between my mother and I because she could no longer mold me as she wanted to. I'm adopted and I strongly belive that my genetics are why I don't fit in with my adoptive family. Xxx
Once they were old enough to dress themselves we stopped telling them what to wear unless for a function. DM style boots, Rainbow coloured stripy tights, purple skirt, green top & a bright red coat today, just to play in the snow. Pretty standard stuff for the eldest
Maybe the genes are there, it just takes something to bring them out? That something could be different for us all though, not a one size fits all thing?
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God I wish you were my mother! Even now I can't wear what I want to when I see her. I have to conform to her standards. xxx
That's a shame you feel that way, but surely at your age you should be confident enough to dress how you want to."
It really is best just to do what she wants. She's got a cutting tougne and the times she's made me cry even at my age are innumerable. Xxx |
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By *ed wineMan
over a year ago
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"By the way, sexual preference for the same gender is NOT at all exclusive to humans...I know but where is the correlation between genes and sexual activity is it a visual trigger etc. Because if it's genetic (passed down through genes) what's the starting point;was everyone straight then one famous day joecaveman altered the face of humanity forever by trying something different and the same goes for other animals and what is it that causes the genetic change is it dna and hormone exchange etc?"
Those are questions still waiting for an answer....
The only evidences we have are external behaviors and statistical facts. How emotions, desires, preferences are physically formed in our brain, is still to discover...
Sexual or gender orientation are just another trait of our personality and shouldn't be judged |
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"But I would like some actual evidence on how the genes change from engaging in sexual activity how does your genes tell the difference from sticky your dick in one hole from the other and how does that effect your genes. Anythings possible but how?
I thought that you had 'fully comprehended' thatAnd why do you have to be snarky instead of contributing to the discussion and exchange ideas to come up with new ones
You have a weird world view of being 'snarky'. One comment you say you have 'fully comprehended' and the very next one, you state that you don't know why that is the case. Make up your mind so that people know what it is you are asking"
Well I had a multitude of ideas running through my head at the time so sometimes they come out muddled up. I think sexuality works kind of like a wave, like a spectrum. A bit like my ideas |
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over a year ago
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"If it was hereditary, Gay men would have become extinct thousands of years ago
It could be genetic How? Gay can become vogue look at the roman empire and now for examples
How, what? Can you be clearer in your queries
1) How would Gay men have been extinct if it was hereditary?
2) How could homosexuality be genetic?The second one I can fully comprehend, yaya. But the first one, plenty of gay men have children to thus day so if it was hereditary they could still quite easily survive.
Gay men do not have sex with women just as Lesbian women do not have sex with men
Since IVF was not available until the last century, if homosexuality was hereditary, Gay men would have become extinct several thousand years ago
Those 'Gay' men who have sex with women are bisexual or aren't, by defination, homosexual. As far as I am aware, FabS 'straight' is just a jokey way of saying that the man isn't really heterosexual and if there is a FabS equivalent of Gay, then it probably means that the man isn't really GayNot true whatsoever their have been plenty of gay man that have been forced into marriage to a women by society and the risk of imprisonment or worse. The modern day is a stark contrast to them days. The roman empire though was as open to gay relations or even more so than today
They Romans had sex with women too, so by definition, not Gay, but bisexual. The thread was about Gay/bi men. My comment was about Gay men But like I said not all gay men who have had sex with women are bi but forced to be by constraints of society. "
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It could be genetic "
That only assumes the gene comes from the male. If it was passed down the female side then it could easily spread. Not all genes have the same effect in all people even if they carry it.
That said, to suggest there is a gay gene is as close to nonsense as is possible to be whilst still acknowledging we don't know everything about genetics and the drivers behind human behaviour. But there seems to be no evidence other than circumstantial which is also known as hearsay or coincidence. |
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"If it was hereditary, Gay men would have become extinct thousands of years ago
It could be genetic
That only assumes the gene comes from the male. If it was passed down the female side then it could easily spread. Not all genes have the same effect in all people even if they carry it.
That said, to suggest there is a gay gene is as close to nonsense as is possible to be whilst still acknowledging we don't know everything about genetics and the drivers behind human behaviour. But there seems to be no evidence other than circumstantial which is also known as hearsay or coincidence."
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By *ed wineMan
over a year ago
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"If it was hereditary, Gay men would have become extinct thousands of years ago
It could be genetic
That only assumes the gene comes from the male. If it was passed down the female side then it could easily spread. Not all genes have the same effect in all people even if they carry it.
That said, to suggest there is a gay gene is as close to nonsense as is possible to be whilst still acknowledging we don't know everything about genetics and the drivers behind human behaviour. But there seems to be no evidence other than circumstantial which is also known as hearsay or coincidence."
Not exactly. As I said before, statistically proved, the daughters of gay men tend to be more fertile and that shows that the furtive gene/s could affect both genders |
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over a year ago
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"I really cant lower my cognitive ability too a sufficiently low state too even consider homosexuality might be a hereditary inherited condition "
Why is so bad that our sexual orientation could be partially inherited? |
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"If it was hereditary, Gay men would have become extinct thousands of years ago
It could be genetic
That only assumes the gene comes from the male. If it was passed down the female side then it could easily spread. Not all genes have the same effect in all people even if they carry it.
That said, to suggest there is a gay gene is as close to nonsense as is possible to be whilst still acknowledging we don't know everything about genetics and the drivers behind human behaviour. But there seems to be no evidence other than circumstantial which is also known as hearsay or coincidence.
Not exactly. As I said before, statistically proved, the daughters of gay men tend to be more fertile and that shows that the furtive gene/s could affect both genders"
That's not something I have heard before and would be quite keen to question the veracity of that information.
Anyway it's a non-sequiteur. A gay gene and a fertile gene would be two totally different things.
It could be that certain lifestyle choices result in more fertile offspring etc. If your assertion is true, the possible causes are myriad and varied.
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"If it was hereditary, Gay men would have become extinct thousands of years ago
It could be genetic
That only assumes the gene comes from the male. If it was passed down the female side then it could easily spread. Not all genes have the same effect in all people even if they carry it.
That said, to suggest there is a gay gene is as close to nonsense as is possible to be whilst still acknowledging we don't know everything about genetics and the drivers behind human behaviour. But there seems to be no evidence other than circumstantial which is also known as hearsay or coincidence.
Not exactly. As I said before, statistically proved, the daughters of gay men tend to be more fertile and that shows that the furtive gene/s could affect both genders"
That could be just put down to the level of openness within their social group or the suppressed desires of offspring from the fathers, mothers. Who knows... More research is needed.. |
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"I really cant lower my cognitive ability too a sufficiently low state too even consider homosexuality might be a hereditary inherited condition
Why is so bad that our sexual orientation could be partially inherited?"
It is dreadfully unfashionable to even have an open minded discussion about certain things.
Sadly people are often unable to say "let's face it we don't know" and have an open minded and non-judgmental discussion on a topic.
It may possibly stem from previous lapses into eugenics to try to cure certain perceived abnormalities which themselves (the lapses, not the "abnormalities") were utterly abominable. Many people are unable to talk about the subject objectively because of that. |
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"If it was hereditary, Gay men would have become extinct thousands of years ago
It could be genetic
That only assumes the gene comes from the male. If it was passed down the female side then it could easily spread. Not all genes have the same effect in all people even if they carry it.
That said, to suggest there is a gay gene is as close to nonsense as is possible to be whilst still acknowledging we don't know everything about genetics and the drivers behind human behaviour. But there seems to be no evidence other than circumstantial which is also known as hearsay or coincidence.
Not exactly. As I said before, statistically proved, the daughters of gay men tend to be more fertile and that shows that the furtive gene/s could affect both genders
That's not something I have heard before and would be quite keen to question the veracity of that information.
Anyway it's a non-sequiteur. A gay gene and a fertile gene would be two totally different things.
It could be that certain lifestyle choices result in more fertile offspring etc. If your assertion is true, the possible causes are myriad and varied.
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"If it was hereditary, Gay men would have become extinct thousands of years ago
It could be genetic
That only assumes the gene comes from the male. If it was passed down the female side then it could easily spread. Not all genes have the same effect in all people even if they carry it.
That said, to suggest there is a gay gene is as close to nonsense as is possible to be whilst still acknowledging we don't know everything about genetics and the drivers behind human behaviour. But there seems to be no evidence other than circumstantial which is also known as hearsay or coincidence.
Not exactly. As I said before, statistically proved, the daughters of gay men tend to be more fertile and that shows that the furtive gene/s could affect both genders
That's not something I have heard before and would be quite keen to question the veracity of that information.
Anyway it's a non-sequiteur. A gay gene and a fertile gene would be two totally different things.
It could be that certain lifestyle choices result in more fertile offspring etc. If your assertion is true, the possible causes are myriad and varied.
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Well, maybe it is time to update your knowledge about this subject. |
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"If it was hereditary, Gay men would have become extinct thousands of years ago
It could be genetic
That only assumes the gene comes from the male. If it was passed down the female side then it could easily spread. Not all genes have the same effect in all people even if they carry it.
That said, to suggest there is a gay gene is as close to nonsense as is possible to be whilst still acknowledging we don't know everything about genetics and the drivers behind human behaviour. But there seems to be no evidence other than circumstantial which is also known as hearsay or coincidence.
Not exactly. As I said before, statistically proved, the daughters of gay men tend to be more fertile and that shows that the furtive gene/s could affect both genders
That's not something I have heard before and would be quite keen to question the veracity of that information.
Anyway it's a non-sequiteur. A gay gene and a fertile gene would be two totally different things.
It could be that certain lifestyle choices result in more fertile offspring etc. If your assertion is true, the possible causes are myriad and varied.
Well, maybe it is time to update your knowledge about this subject. "
I'd like to clarify it's the last paragraph I agree with although I've never heard of such research either although i'm sure it's been undertaken |
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"I really cant lower my cognitive ability too a sufficiently low state too even consider homosexuality might be a hereditary inherited condition
Why is so bad that our sexual orientation could be partially inherited?It is dreadfully unfashionable to even have an open minded discussion about certain things.
Sadly people are often unable to say "let's face it we don't know" and have an open minded and non-judgmental discussion on a topic.
It may possibly stem from previous lapses into eugenics to try to cure certain perceived abnormalities which themselves (the lapses, not the "abnormalities") were utterly abominable. Many people are unable to talk about the subject objectively because of that. "
I totally agree. Please, take a look on my posts 1 hour above. |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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Studies into the Xq28 marker were inconclusive in as much that it could not be proven that sexual orientation is based exclusively on a set of genes (no one gene is responsible). It was hypothesised that environmental factors too play a part
Studies of identical twins, separated at birth, gave some credence to a lifestyle choice although, that too was inconclusive as the sample was too small |
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"Studies into the Xq28 marker were inconclusive in as much that it could not be proven that sexual orientation is based exclusively on a set of genes (no one gene is responsible). It was hypothesised that environmental factors too play a part
Studies of identical twins, separated at birth, gave some credence to a lifestyle choice although, that too was inconclusive as the sample was too small"
I agree. There is not still a clear origin of sexual orientation. Just seems to be the result of the confluence of epigenetic and contextual factors. |
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"Studies into the Xq28 marker were inconclusive in as much that it could not be proven that sexual orientation is based exclusively on a set of genes (no one gene is responsible). It was hypothesised that environmental factors too play a part
Studies of identical twins, separated at birth, gave some credence to a lifestyle choice although, that too was inconclusive as the sample was too small
I agree. There is not still a clear origin of sexual orientation. Just seems to be the result of the confluence of epigenetic and contextual factors."
Or nature and nurture as it's better known. |
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"If it was hereditary, Gay men would have become extinct thousands of years ago
It could be genetic
That only assumes the gene comes from the male. If it was passed down the female side then it could easily spread. Not all genes have the same effect in all people even if they carry it.
That said, to suggest there is a gay gene is as close to nonsense as is possible to be whilst still acknowledging we don't know everything about genetics and the drivers behind human behaviour. But there seems to be no evidence other than circumstantial which is also known as hearsay or coincidence.
Not exactly. As I said before, statistically proved, the daughters of gay men tend to be more fertile and that shows that the furtive gene/s could affect both genders
That's not something I have heard before and would be quite keen to question the veracity of that information.
Anyway it's a non-sequiteur. A gay gene and a fertile gene would be two totally different things.
It could be that certain lifestyle choices result in more fertile offspring etc. If your assertion is true, the possible causes are myriad and varied.
Well, maybe it is time to update your knowledge about this subject. I'd like to clarify it's the last paragraph I agree with although I've never heard of such research either although i'm sure it's been undertaken "
One study only gives evidence. It does not prove anything. 100 studies only gives a lot of evidence. It does not prove anything.
Only non scientists speak of proving something. Anyone with a scientific bent and no vested interest in one result or another simply discusses the weight of evidence. You can disprove something easily by obtaining contrary results, but you can never prove something 100%, all you can state is that you are personally unable to foresee circumstances to the contrary. |
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What I don't get is why people feel the need to understand it.
Some people are straight, some are gay, some are bi and some are asexual. Researching and trying to understand what makes people not straight may even cause problems. For centuries straight has been considered to be the norm. By researching what makes people "not the norm" you could be marginalizing them further and perpetuating the old prejudices. |
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"If it was hereditary, Gay men would have become extinct thousands of years ago
It could be genetic
That only assumes the gene comes from the male. If it was passed down the female side then it could easily spread. Not all genes have the same effect in all people even if they carry it.
That said, to suggest there is a gay gene is as close to nonsense as is possible to be whilst still acknowledging we don't know everything about genetics and the drivers behind human behaviour. But there seems to be no evidence other than circumstantial which is also known as hearsay or coincidence.
Not exactly. As I said before, statistically proved, the daughters of gay men tend to be more fertile and that shows that the furtive gene/s could affect both genders
That's not something I have heard before and would be quite keen to question the veracity of that information.
Anyway it's a non-sequiteur. A gay gene and a fertile gene would be two totally different things.
It could be that certain lifestyle choices result in more fertile offspring etc. If your assertion is true, the possible causes are myriad and varied.
Well, maybe it is time to update your knowledge about this subject. I'd like to clarify it's the last paragraph I agree with although I've never heard of such research either although i'm sure it's been undertaken
One study only gives evidence. It does not prove anything. 100 studies only gives a lot of evidence. It does not prove anything.
Only non scientists speak of proving something. Anyone with a scientific bent and no vested interest in one result or another simply discusses the weight of evidence. You can disprove something easily by obtaining contrary results, but you can never prove something 100%, all you can state is that you are personally unable to foresee circumstances to the contrary. "
I agree to a point you can reach a conclusion most people agree on and give weight to and that has real world uses e.g. you can use the discovery to invent new technology or upgrade existing technology and that I believe should be the goal of most real scientists to reach those conclusions athough most groundbreaking conclusions will be snarked at and derided anyway because it conflicts with already held beliefs. I don't really see the use of these kind of studies what's the point in trying and locating the gay gene do we want or need to make everyone straight? |
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"What I don't get is why people feel the need to understand it.
Some people are straight, some are gay, some are bi and some are asexual. Researching and trying to understand what makes people not straight may even cause problems. For centuries straight has been considered to be the norm. By researching what makes people "not the norm" you could be marginalizing them further and perpetuating the old prejudices."
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"What I don't get is why people feel the need to understand it.
Some people are straight, some are gay, some are bi and some are asexual. Researching and trying to understand what makes people not straight may even cause problems. For centuries straight has been considered to be the norm. By researching what makes people "not the norm" you could be marginalizing them further and perpetuating the old prejudices."
I don't think of abnormal or normal. I think of minority or majority
The majority of the world's population are heterosexual and the majority of the world's population are right-handed. That does not follow that the minority who are homosexual or bisexual or left-handed are somehow abnormal
Research into left-handedness has given us insights into neurology. That is an advancement to our knowledge. Who knows what insights we will gain by researching sexuality |
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"What I don't get is why people feel the need to understand it.
Some people are straight, some are gay, some are bi and some are asexual. Researching and trying to understand what makes people not straight may even cause problems. For centuries straight has been considered to be the norm. By researching what makes people "not the norm" you could be marginalizing them further and perpetuating the old prejudices.
I don't think of abnormal or normal. I think of minority or majority
The majority of the world's population are heterosexual and the majority of the world's population are right-handed. That does not follow that the minority who are homosexual or bisexual or left-handed are somehow abnormal
Research into left-handedness has given us insights into neurology. That is an advancement to our knowledge. Who knows what insights we will gain by researching sexuality"
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"What I don't get is why people feel the need to understand it.
Some people are straight, some are gay, some are bi and some are asexual. Researching and trying to understand what makes people not straight may even cause problems. For centuries straight has been considered to be the norm. By researching what makes people "not the norm" you could be marginalizing them further and perpetuating the old prejudices.
I don't think of abnormal or normal. I think of minority or majority
The majority of the world's population are heterosexual and the majority of the world's population are right-handed. That does not follow that the minority who are homosexual or bisexual or left-handed are somehow abnormal
Research into left-handedness has given us insights into neurology. That is an advancement to our knowledge. Who knows what insights we will gain by researching sexuality"
For many years being left handed was considered abnormal and in some cultures evil.
As a left hander I had my hand tied to my chair in the first 2 years at school to try and force me to use my right and "be normal"  |
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"One study only gives evidence. It does not prove anything. 100 studies only gives a lot of evidence. It does not prove anything.
Only non scientists speak of proving something. Anyone with a scientific bent and no vested interest in one result or another simply discusses the weight of evidence. You can disprove something easily by obtaining contrary results, but you can never prove something 100%, all you can state is that you are personally unable to foresee circumstances to the contrary. "
Whilst this philosophical argument is a good one the much stronger scientific argument is simply that we should never accept the conclusions of scientific studies without first checking that the data does indeed support these conclusions, and that the method by which this data was developed is also sound.
The motto of the royal society was "Take No One's Word For It". These days too many people are only too happy to take anyone's word for it as long as they're wearing a lab coat. I agree. The idea that a study of gay guys has shown they have more female offspring is highly suspect. I'll remain sceptical of it until I've had the chance to see the data and read up about the methods used. |
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"What I don't get is why people feel the need to understand it.
Some people are straight, some are gay, some are bi and some are asexual. Researching and trying to understand what makes people not straight may even cause problems. For centuries straight has been considered to be the norm. By researching what makes people "not the norm" you could be marginalizing them further and perpetuating the old prejudices.
I don't think of abnormal or normal. I think of minority or majority
The majority of the world's population are heterosexual and the majority of the world's population are right-handed. That does not follow that the minority who are homosexual or bisexual or left-handed are somehow abnormal
Research into left-handedness has given us insights into neurology. That is an advancement to our knowledge. Who knows what insights we will gain by researching sexuality
For many years being left handed was considered abnormal and in some cultures evil.
As a left hander I had my hand tied to my chair in the first 2 years at school to try and force me to use my right and "be normal" "
My dad is left-handed and he suffered similar treatment. I have only known him as ambidextrous. Maybe the environment forced him to become ambidextrous; one will now never know
Now that we can prove to the unenlightened that left-handedness is based on neurology and not any evil spirits, this kind of prejudice will reduce
Similarly, if it can be proven that sexuality is neurological or genetic, then hatred against homosexuals and bisexuals must reduce
I think that sexuality is based on both; neurology/genetics and environment. Personally, I am confused about my own sexuality. I am uncertain if I am bisexual, heterosexual or asexual (shock, horror, an asexual on a swingers website). But, over the years, I have stopped caring as I could not easily motivate myself for one or the other or both (or none) |
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"What I don't get is why people feel the need to understand it.
Some people are straight, some are gay, some are bi and some are asexual. Researching and trying to understand what makes people not straight may even cause problems. For centuries straight has been considered to be the norm. By researching what makes people "not the norm" you could be marginalizing them further and perpetuating the old prejudices.
I don't think of abnormal or normal. I think of minority or majority
The majority of the world's population are heterosexual and the majority of the world's population are right-handed. That does not follow that the minority who are homosexual or bisexual or left-handed are somehow abnormal
Research into left-handedness has given us insights into neurology. That is an advancement to our knowledge. Who knows what insights we will gain by researching sexuality
For many years being left handed was considered abnormal and in some cultures evil.
As a left hander I had my hand tied to my chair in the first 2 years at school to try and force me to use my right and "be normal" "
my daughter went to a catholic school and did mirror writing when she first started to write...there was such a fuss about that. and everything went downhill from there with all my kids at that point.
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i think there's not enough understood about genes to know if it's hereditary or not. like has been mentioned they tend to use monozygotic twins -as they're most genetically similar (and that this presumes their environment is similar to rule out behavioural causes), to study things like this AND the people doing these studies tend to be the people who think they can 'cure' being gay makes me think they aren't that close to knowing either.
there are recessive genes (which means gay genes could be passed on biologically), but i'm not sure why the human race would need any genes to ensure people do not reproduce more humans.
i personally think it is more to do with attraction, and is mainly a mental thing. |
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Another problem with the whole gay gene thing is that there's always the possibility it may turn out to be a defect. The living cell is a complex living thing and when we talk about genetics we're talking not just about dna but a complex web of gene inhibitors and boosters, as well as agents who interpret and perform whatever the results of all this calls for. If you want to believe character traits are genetic then, at any point in all this, there's a chance it comes from defects or errors in what's going on. Then, when being gay is considered a defect, we'd find ourselves right back at the start and you may wish you'd just left it all alone. |
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"Another problem with the whole gay gene thing is that there's always the possibility it may turn out to be a defect. The living cell is a complex living thing and when we talk about genetics we're talking not just about dna but a complex web of gene inhibitors and boosters, as well as agents who interpret and perform whatever the results of all this calls for. If you want to believe character traits are genetic then, at any point in all this, there's a chance it comes from defects or errors in what's going on. Then, when being gay is considered a defect, we'd find ourselves right back at the start and you may wish you'd just left it all alone. "
A defect is only a defect if it causes harm. Cancer cells are ones own cells which cause harm and must be destroyed
Ofcourse Gay people (the minority) do have some genes which are different from heterosexual people. Similarly, people with Blue eyes (the minority) have genes which are different from people with Brown eyes. If Blue-eyed people aren't defective then neither are Gay people |
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By *ed wineMan
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No scientist can affirm that sexual orientation comes only from inheritance and certainly, nurture is a significant factor.
But what could be the reason for animals having sexual behaviors with same gender? Of course, no cultural factors... |
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"I would say no, however your own sexuality, mannerisms, how you act around your children, what clothes you put them in etc. has to have some effect on your children.
Our eldest at nine dresses very eclectically when outside of school. H has never forced it upon her, she has just grown up around it.
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I personally disagree with this because as a child I was brought up posh. I was always put is Laura Ashley dresses and made girly and proper. As soon as I found my own identity the fights started between my mother and I because she could no longer mold me as she wanted to. I'm adopted and I strongly belive that my genetics are why I don't fit in with my adoptive family. Xxx"
I'm adopted and my mum dressed me in what she wanted me to wear as a child but once I got to secondary school I wore what was fashionable, as did my friends. Usually jeans and T-shirts unless we were going out somewhere nice. She is vocal about my clothes now and I'm not small so not much looks good on me. In fact, today, she said my parka makes me look "as big as a tank" and she's buying me a new coat. NOT HAPPENING!! |
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"What I don't get is why people feel the need to understand it.
Some people are straight, some are gay, some are bi and some are asexual. Researching and trying to understand what makes people not straight may even cause problems. For centuries straight has been considered to be the norm. By researching what makes people "not the norm" you could be marginalizing them further and perpetuating the old prejudices.
I don't think of abnormal or normal. I think of minority or majority
The majority of the world's population are heterosexual and the majority of the world's population are right-handed. That does not follow that the minority who are homosexual or bisexual or left-handed are somehow abnormal
Research into left-handedness has given us insights into neurology. That is an advancement to our knowledge. Who knows what insights we will gain by researching sexuality"
Who says the majority of the world's population is hetero?
I don't believe these studies. They have no conclusive proof. It will always be biased depending on the sample group and method of survey. |
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"Just wondering people's thoughts on this subject.
I'm definitely bisexual and my child is definitely gay.
Do you think it could be linked to genetics..hereditary ?
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"No scientist can affirm that sexual orientation comes only from inheritance and certainly, nurture is a significant factor.
But what could be the reason for animals having sexual behaviors with same gender? Of course, no cultural factors..."
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"What I don't get is why people feel the need to understand it.
Some people are straight, some are gay, some are bi and some are asexual. Researching and trying to understand what makes people not straight may even cause problems. For centuries straight has been considered to be the norm. By researching what makes people "not the norm" you could be marginalizing them further and perpetuating the old prejudices.
I don't think of abnormal or normal. I think of minority or majority
The majority of the world's population are heterosexual and the majority of the world's population are right-handed. That does not follow that the minority who are homosexual or bisexual or left-handed are somehow abnormal
Research into left-handedness has given us insights into neurology. That is an advancement to our knowledge. Who knows what insights we will gain by researching sexuality
Who says the majority of the world's population is hetero?
I don't believe these studies. They have no conclusive proof. It will always be biased depending on the sample group and method of survey."
I am not aware of any such study. This data has been gathered during the census and most LGBxxxxxxxxx groups use it |
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If being gay was hereditary, that would mean that gay people would not exist.
Because gay people do not have children.
Therefore, gay people must be being brought into the world by straight people. Or at least by bisexual people. |
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"I would say no, however your own sexuality, mannerisms, how you act around your children, what clothes you put them in etc. has to have some effect on your children.
Our eldest at nine dresses very eclectically when outside of school. H has never forced it upon her, she has just grown up around it.
S
I personally disagree with this because as a child I was brought up posh. I was always put is Laura Ashley dresses and made girly and proper. As soon as I found my own identity the fights started between my mother and I because she could no longer mold me as she wanted to. I'm adopted and I strongly belive that my genetics are why I don't fit in with my adoptive family. Xxx
I'm adopted and my mum dressed me in what she wanted me to wear as a child but once I got to secondary school I wore what was fashionable, as did my friends. Usually jeans and T-shirts unless we were going out somewhere nice. She is vocal about my clothes now and I'm not small so not much looks good on me. In fact, today, she said my parka makes me look "as big as a tank" and she's buying me a new coat. NOT HAPPENING!! "
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"Another problem with the whole gay gene thing is that there's always the possibility it may turn out to be a defect. The living cell is a complex living thing and when we talk about genetics we're talking not just about dna but a complex web of gene inhibitors and boosters, as well as agents who interpret and perform whatever the results of all this calls for. If you want to believe character traits are genetic then, at any point in all this, there's a chance it comes from defects or errors in what's going on. Then, when being gay is considered a defect, we'd find ourselves right back at the start and you may wish you'd just left it all alone.
A defect is only a defect if it causes harm. Cancer cells are ones own cells which cause harm and must be destroyed
Ofcourse Gay people (the minority) do have some genes which are different from heterosexual people. Similarly, people with Blue eyes (the minority) have genes which are different from people with Brown eyes. If Blue-eyed people aren't defective then neither are Gay people"
But if the aim of the human race along with every other creature put on the planet is to reproduce then it could well be argued that a "gay gene" is defective. |
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over a year ago
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"Another problem with the whole gay gene thing is that there's always the possibility it may turn out to be a defect. The living cell is a complex living thing and when we talk about genetics we're talking not just about dna but a complex web of gene inhibitors and boosters, as well as agents who interpret and perform whatever the results of all this calls for. If you want to believe character traits are genetic then, at any point in all this, there's a chance it comes from defects or errors in what's going on. Then, when being gay is considered a defect, we'd find ourselves right back at the start and you may wish you'd just left it all alone.
A defect is only a defect if it causes harm. Cancer cells are ones own cells which cause harm and must be destroyed
Ofcourse Gay people (the minority) do have some genes which are different from heterosexual people. Similarly, people with Blue eyes (the minority) have genes which are different from people with Brown eyes. If Blue-eyed people aren't defective then neither are Gay people
But if the aim of the human race along with every other creature put on the planet is to reproduce then it could well be argued that a "gay gene" is defective. "
Are you certain that the function of all humans is to simply reproduce? Perhaps it is only a function of some to reproduce. Just like with the various functions adopted in a bee-hive |
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"If being gay was hereditary, that would mean that gay people would not exist.
Because gay people do not have children.
Therefore, gay people must be being brought into the world by straight people. Or at least by bisexual people."
some genes are recessive.
it might make sense to pass on genes where people will not want to reproduce despite having the physical capability to do so.
there is no proof yet anyway and i feel there is no gene for sexuality. i do feel like society has pressured people to be heterosexual and to couple up to produce children though. |
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Perhaps everyone is born bisexual? For some people it may never be realised as it could just come down to a chance meeting with someone of the same gender or opposite to awaken the desire of being either Gay, Bi or Straight?
I know a family which has 6 boys and all but 1 are Gay, with them living in a relatively small town it's been the subject of conversation for years people trying to understand it, lots of people put it down to their Mother leaving them when they were small, I don't think the question should be how do you explain it, more so does it need to be explained and the answer to that is no. |
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"Another problem with the whole gay gene thing is that there's always the possibility it may turn out to be a defect. The living cell is a complex living thing and when we talk about genetics we're talking not just about dna but a complex web of gene inhibitors and boosters, as well as agents who interpret and perform whatever the results of all this calls for. If you want to believe character traits are genetic then, at any point in all this, there's a chance it comes from defects or errors in what's going on. Then, when being gay is considered a defect, we'd find ourselves right back at the start and you may wish you'd just left it all alone.
A defect is only a defect if it causes harm. Cancer cells are ones own cells which cause harm and must be destroyed
Ofcourse Gay people (the minority) do have some genes which are different from heterosexual people. Similarly, people with Blue eyes (the minority) have genes which are different from people with Brown eyes. If Blue-eyed people aren't defective then neither are Gay people
But if the aim of the human race along with every other creature put on the planet is to reproduce then it could well be argued that a "gay gene" is defective.
Are you certain that the function of all humans is to simply reproduce? Perhaps it is only a function of some to reproduce. Just like with the various functions adopted in a bee-hive"
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"Perhaps everyone is born bisexual? For some people it may never be realised as it could just come down to a chance meeting with someone of the same gender or opposite to awaken the desire of being either Gay, Bi or Straight?
I know a family which has 6 boys and all but 1 are Gay, with them living in a relatively small town it's been the subject of conversation for years people trying to understand it, lots of people put it down to their Mother leaving them when they were small, I don't think the question should be how do you explain it, more so does it need to be explained and the answer to that is no."
Maybe some people are born asexual and struggle all their lives to conform in this world where they are a smaller number even than Gay, Lesbian or Bisexual people, who are atleast part of the wider sexual group
The New Scientist published an excellent article on this subject some years ago. Apparently 1.8% of the population of the Northern Hemisphere is asexual. AVEN has done some very good work providing literature and resources only for the Catholic Church to declare that '"asexual people do not exist". I still remember the exact exchange in the Diocesan magazine:
Q: What is an asexual person?
A. Not a person. Asexual people do not exist ...
If that is what the world does to Asexual people is it any wonder that some Gay people hide their sexuality here and elsewhere
If the only reason for humans to exist is to reproduce, then I'm afraid that nature has been making a mistake on a massive scale |
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"If the only reason for humans to exist is to reproduce, then I'm afraid that nature has been making a mistake on a massive scale"
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I think sexual orientation may be influenced by a range of things, including genetics. Basic physical traits,such as eye colour, are influenced by several genetic elements, so I think that something that has a major behavioural element is likely to be more complex than that.
I think the evidence is far from settled and likely will remain so for some time. If the cause is known, it becomes an easy step for intolerants to look for cures etc. |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"If the only reason for humans to exist is to reproduce, then I'm afraid that nature has been making a mistake on a massive scale
Interesting thought. Could you explain further? I'm interested and not questioning."
I do not think that nature has made any mistakes. I think that Gay and Asexual people are all within the design of our species. My statement that "... then I'm afraid that nature has been making a mistake on a massive scale", was sarcasm
I gave the example of a bee-hive were it is not the function of every bee to reproduce. And that this is dictated by nature. Bees, as far as I know, do not get influenced by what is on Television
One asexual woman, whilst growing up, took more abuse than was ever levelled at any lesbian woman. It was easier for her to pretend to be lesbian than asexual. Anything other than heteronormativity is seen to be a 'defect'. Tell that to the bees (and maybe to the birds too) |
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"If the only reason for humans to exist is to reproduce, then I'm afraid that nature has been making a mistake on a massive scale
Interesting thought. Could you explain further? I'm interested and not questioning.
I do not think that nature has made any mistakes. I think that Gay and Asexual people are all within the design of our species. My statement that "... then I'm afraid that nature has been making a mistake on a massive scale", was sarcasm
I gave the example of a bee-hive were it is not the function of every bee to reproduce. And that this is dictated by nature. Bees, as far as I know, do not get influenced by what is on Television
One asexual woman, whilst growing up, took more abuse than was ever levelled at any lesbian woman. It was easier for her to pretend to be lesbian than asexual. Anything other than heteronormativity is seen to be a 'defect'. Tell that to the bees (and maybe to the birds too) "
i can't detect internet sarcasm but thanks for replying because i do understand what you mean now.
yes i do believe it's mostly socially influenced, same way as how we make friends or just interact with others. although being heterosexual myself i don't fully understand much from any other viewpoint. |
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"What I don't get is why people feel the need to understand it.
Some people are straight, some are gay, some are bi and some are asexual. Researching and trying to understand what makes people not straight may even cause problems. For centuries straight has been considered to be the norm. By researching what makes people "not the norm" you could be marginalizing them further and perpetuating the old prejudices.
I don't think of abnormal or normal. I think of minority or majority
The majority of the world's population are heterosexual and the majority of the world's population are right-handed. That does not follow that the minority who are homosexual or bisexual or left-handed are somehow abnormal
Research into left-handedness has given us insights into neurology. That is an advancement to our knowledge. Who knows what insights we will gain by researching sexuality
Who says the majority of the world's population is hetero?
I don't believe these studies. They have no conclusive proof. It will always be biased depending on the sample group and method of survey.
I am not aware of any such study. This data has been gathered during the census and most LGBxxxxxxxxx groups use it"
Sorry I wasn't dissing you personally, just the stats. x |
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over a year ago
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"What I don't get is why people feel the need to understand it.
Some people are straight, some are gay, some are bi and some are asexual. Researching and trying to understand what makes people not straight may even cause problems. For centuries straight has been considered to be the norm. By researching what makes people "not the norm" you could be marginalizing them further and perpetuating the old prejudices.
I don't think of abnormal or normal. I think of minority or majority
The majority of the world's population are heterosexual and the majority of the world's population are right-handed. That does not follow that the minority who are homosexual or bisexual or left-handed are somehow abnormal
Research into left-handedness has given us insights into neurology. That is an advancement to our knowledge. Who knows what insights we will gain by researching sexuality
Who says the majority of the world's population is hetero?
I don't believe these studies. They have no conclusive proof. It will always be biased depending on the sample group and method of survey.
I am not aware of any such study. This data has been gathered during the census and most LGBxxxxxxxxx groups use it
Sorry I wasn't dissing you personally, just the stats. x"
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"I think everyone is born bi-curious but we leave in a society where you have to take side and labelled. you are judged or place in a particular class or group based on what side you choose to take.
If the cave men and women were still alive today do they have names for FF/MM pretty sure some tribes perform some ritual which will be looked upon from an outsider as gay."
There has been a Papua New Guinean tribe where young men all sucked the older guys cocks and swallowed - as part of their normal transition to full adulthood I believe, but not for sexual pleasure.
Social influences help determine what's done openly and is accepted of course.
The key thing with genes is that a person may have some genes that are activated by certain environmental influences. Without the influence, the person may as well not have those genes.
There is also evidence that the experiences of ancestors from earlier generations can also still be affecting our genes today - epigenetics.
Genetics is hugely complex and we're just scratching the surface. Likewise with understanding people. |
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By *D40Couple
over a year ago
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"Just wondering people's thoughts on this subject.
I'm definitely bisexual and my child is definitely gay.
Do you think it could be linked to genetics..hereditary ?
Please discuss....."
I don't know about hereditary however i do believe in learned behaviour & learn by example.
I don't mean this in a derogatory way, however i do think in a more 'accepting' environment people/children feel free to accept & express feelings of different emotions/burgeoning sexuality.
At the end of the day, we should all be accepted without question by society if what we do has no criminal intentions or has no harm to anyone else....
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"Perhaps everyone is born bisexual? For some people it may never be realised as it could just come down to a chance meeting with someone of the same gender or opposite to awaken the desire of being either Gay, Bi or Straight?
I know a family which has 6 boys and all but 1 are Gay, with them living in a relatively small town it's been the subject of conversation for years people trying to understand it, lots of people put it down to their Mother leaving them when they were small, I don't think the question should be how do you explain it, more so does it need to be explained and the answer to that is no.
Maybe some people are born asexual and struggle all their lives to conform in this world where they are a smaller number even than Gay, Lesbian or Bisexual people, who are atleast part of the wider sexual group
The New Scientist published an excellent article on this subject some years ago. Apparently 1.8% of the population of the Northern Hemisphere is asexual. AVEN has done some very good work providing literature and resources only for the Catholic Church to declare that '"asexual people do not exist". I still remember the exact exchange in the Diocesan magazine:
Q: What is an asexual person?
A. Not a person. Asexual people do not exist ...
If that is what the world does to Asexual people is it any wonder that some Gay people hide their sexuality here and elsewhere
If the only reason for humans to exist is to reproduce, then I'm afraid that nature has been making a mistake on a massive scale"
Asexuality interests me. Seems only recently to have been recognised to exist. |
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"Perhaps everyone is born bisexual? For some people it may never be realised as it could just come down to a chance meeting with someone of the same gender or opposite to awaken the desire of being either Gay, Bi or Straight?
I know a family which has 6 boys and all but 1 are Gay, with them living in a relatively small town it's been the subject of conversation for years people trying to understand it, lots of people put it down to their Mother leaving them when they were small, I don't think the question should be how do you explain it, more so does it need to be explained and the answer to that is no.
Maybe some people are born asexual and struggle all their lives to conform in this world where they are a smaller number even than Gay, Lesbian or Bisexual people, who are atleast part of the wider sexual group
The New Scientist published an excellent article on this subject some years ago. Apparently 1.8% of the population of the Northern Hemisphere is asexual. AVEN has done some very good work providing literature and resources only for the Catholic Church to declare that '"asexual people do not exist". I still remember the exact exchange in the Diocesan magazine:
Q: What is an asexual person?
A. Not a person. Asexual people do not exist ...
If that is what the world does to Asexual people is it any wonder that some Gay people hide their sexuality here and elsewhere
If the only reason for humans to exist is to reproduce, then I'm afraid that nature has been making a mistake on a massive scale
Asexuality interests me. Seems only recently to have been recognised to exist. "
It's not *that* new an idea.
Aromanticism is newer. |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"Perhaps everyone is born bisexual? For some people it may never be realised as it could just come down to a chance meeting with someone of the same gender or opposite to awaken the desire of being either Gay, Bi or Straight?
I know a family which has 6 boys and all but 1 are Gay, with them living in a relatively small town it's been the subject of conversation for years people trying to understand it, lots of people put it down to their Mother leaving them when they were small, I don't think the question should be how do you explain it, more so does it need to be explained and the answer to that is no.
Maybe some people are born asexual and struggle all their lives to conform in this world where they are a smaller number even than Gay, Lesbian or Bisexual people, who are atleast part of the wider sexual group
The New Scientist published an excellent article on this subject some years ago. Apparently 1.8% of the population of the Northern Hemisphere is asexual. AVEN has done some very good work providing literature and resources only for the Catholic Church to declare that '"asexual people do not exist". I still remember the exact exchange in the Diocesan magazine:
Q: What is an asexual person?
A. Not a person. Asexual people do not exist ...
If that is what the world does to Asexual people is it any wonder that some Gay people hide their sexuality here and elsewhere
If the only reason for humans to exist is to reproduce, then I'm afraid that nature has been making a mistake on a massive scale
Asexuality interests me. Seems only recently to have been recognised to exist. "
It has always existed. But who in their right mind is going to admit to being asexual. Atleast Gay people are seen as people with a different sexuality. Asexual people were viewed as people without a sexuality; people with a piece of their brain missing. The fact is that asexulity is a valid sexuality in its' own right
There is a wonderful documentary which dispels some of the myths: "(A)sexual"; it is available for download from iTunes (possibly on YouTube as well)
Asexuality Visibility and Education Network (AVEN) started up as a North American group but now has members throughout the world. Some meet in pubs in Central London to share experiences. Some have met, fallen in love and got married!
People confuse asexuality with being aromantic. Shock horror, some asexual people have sex with the sexuals. Some even end up getting married to them. OK, that is a minority but that minority do have sex; they just do not have any desire to have sex. It is like all the systems are in place but someone took the ignition key and hid it; ok, bad example; but if you are interested in real-life experiences of asexual people, then please visit the AVEN website
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"Perhaps everyone is born bisexual? For some people it may never be realised as it could just come down to a chance meeting with someone of the same gender or opposite to awaken the desire of being either Gay, Bi or Straight?
I know a family which has 6 boys and all but 1 are Gay, with them living in a relatively small town it's been the subject of conversation for years people trying to understand it, lots of people put it down to their Mother leaving them when they were small, I don't think the question should be how do you explain it, more so does it need to be explained and the answer to that is no.
Maybe some people are born asexual and struggle all their lives to conform in this world where they are a smaller number even than Gay, Lesbian or Bisexual people, who are atleast part of the wider sexual group
The New Scientist published an excellent article on this subject some years ago. Apparently 1.8% of the population of the Northern Hemisphere is asexual. AVEN has done some very good work providing literature and resources only for the Catholic Church to declare that '"asexual people do not exist". I still remember the exact exchange in the Diocesan magazine:
Q: What is an asexual person?
A. Not a person. Asexual people do not exist ...
If that is what the world does to Asexual people is it any wonder that some Gay people hide their sexuality here and elsewhere
If the only reason for humans to exist is to reproduce, then I'm afraid that nature has been making a mistake on a massive scale
Asexuality interests me. Seems only recently to have been recognised to exist.
It has always existed. But who in their right mind is going to admit to being asexual. Atleast Gay people are seen as people with a different sexuality. Asexual people were viewed as people without a sexuality; people with a piece of their brain missing. The fact is that asexulity is a valid sexuality in its' own right
There is a wonderful documentary which dispels some of the myths: "(A)sexual"; it is available for download from iTunes (possibly on YouTube as well)
Asexuality Visibility and Education Network (AVEN) started up as a North American group but now has members throughout the world. Some meet in pubs in Central London to share experiences. Some have met, fallen in love and got married!
People confuse asexuality with being aromantic. Shock horror, some asexual people have sex with the sexuals. Some even end up getting married to them. OK, that is a minority but that minority do have sex; they just do not have any desire to have sex. It is like all the systems are in place but someone took the ignition key and hid it; ok, bad example; but if you are interested in real-life experiences of asexual people, then please visit the AVEN website
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"If being gay was hereditary, that would mean that gay people would not exist.
Because gay people do not have children.
Therefore, gay people must be being brought into the world by straight people. Or at least by bisexual people."
That assumes the only way to propagate a gene is by reproduction.
I agree that the ghey is not genetic, but your argument is not correct. |
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By *manda63Woman
over a year ago
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"I would say no, however your own sexuality, mannerisms, how you act around your children, what clothes you put them in etc. has to have some effect on your children.
Our eldest at nine dresses very eclectically when outside of school. H has never forced it upon her, she has just grown up around it.
S
I personally disagree with this because as a child I was brought up posh. I was always put is Laura Ashley dresses and made girly and proper. As soon as I found my own identity the fights started between my mother and I because she could no longer mold me as she wanted to. I'm adopted and I strongly belive that my genetics are why I don't fit in with my adoptive family. Xxx
I'm adopted and my mum dressed me in what she wanted me to wear as a child but once I got to secondary school I wore what was fashionable, as did my friends. Usually jeans and T-shirts unless we were going out somewhere nice. She is vocal about my clothes now and I'm not small so not much looks good on me. In fact, today, she said my parka makes me look "as big as a tank" and she's buying me a new coat. NOT HAPPENING!!
Sounds like my mum that. I've got special clothes I wear just for her. xxx"
I don't have many clothes because Im trying to lose weight and don't want to buy any fat girl sizes. Ive got lots of small size clothes, I have a couple of things I don't wear in front of her
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By *hoot45Man
over a year ago
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I think I've always been gay even though I tried to suppress it for a long time. However, I don't like to think that it defines who I am. I'm a man who just happens, through no conscious decision of my own, to fancy men. I don't go around telling people I'm gay (do straight guys tell people they're straight?) but I'm confident enough now to tell Somme if they ask directly. I would like to have had children because there is a fundamental urge in many humans to procreate. However, I've been a teacher all my life so in many ways I feel that all my students have been like children and I have had some influence in shaping their lives. I couldn't have stood the guilt involved in getting married and then meeting men for sex and always having to lie and cover up. Ironically most of the men I meet are bi-curious or bi and we get on well because I can identify with their situation as it could have easily been me! I think this has been a really good thread. |
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"If being gay was hereditary, that would mean that gay people would not exist.
Because gay people do not have children.
Therefore, gay people must be being brought into the world by straight people. Or at least by bisexual people.
That assumes the only way to propagate a gene is by reproduction.
I agree that the ghey is not genetic, but your argument is not correct."
Too simplistic.
For instance, twin studies show a definite link between sexuality and heredity |
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"If being gay was hereditary, that would mean that gay people would not exist.
Because gay people do not have children.
Therefore, gay people must be being brought into the world by straight people. Or at least by bisexual people.
That assumes the only way to propagate a gene is by reproduction.
I agree that the ghey is not genetic, but your argument is not correct.
Too simplistic.
For instance, twin studies show a definite link between sexuality and heredity"
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"If sexuality was hereditary, I'd be a snotty, homophobic, stuck-up, straight bitch....
I sometimes really wonder if I were adopted at birth....
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I was adopted very young but met my natural mother much later. I have always been much more like her in all ways than my adoptive parents.  |
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"I would say no, however your own sexuality, mannerisms, how you act around your children, what clothes you put them in etc. has to have some effect on your children.
Our eldest at nine dresses very eclectically when outside of school. H has never forced it upon her, she has just grown up around it.
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I personally disagree with this because as a child I was brought up posh. I was always put is Laura Ashley dresses and made girly and proper. As soon as I found my own identity the fights started between my mother and I because she could no longer mold me as she wanted to. I'm adopted and I strongly belive that my genetics are why I don't fit in with my adoptive family. Xxx
Once they were old enough to dress themselves we stopped telling them what to wear unless for a function. DM style boots, Rainbow coloured stripy tights, purple skirt, green top & a bright red coat today, just to play in the snow. Pretty standard stuff for the eldest
Maybe the genes are there, it just takes something to bring them out? That something could be different for us all though, not a one size fits all thing?
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God I wish you were my mother! Even now I can't wear what I want to when I see her. I have to conform to her standards. xxx"
This made me smile.
Do you really think arguments over what you wear and clashes between parents and kids are due to being adopted?
Trust me natural parents and kids also go through this. And the fact that your mother still wants you to wear what she wants is not unusual either. Parents are just human like the rest of us, there is no manual other than seeing what your own parents did.
I'm a very strict parent, but not as strict as my own parents and not as strict as my grandparents. Values and opinions are formed by environment.
As for the rest of the thread some funny ideas on how genetic material is passed on.
Is sexuality genetic?
Likely but but honestly not sure. I'd image like anything else genetic it determines your propensity, but environment has an impact.
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By *manda63Woman
over a year ago
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"If sexuality was hereditary, I'd be a snotty, homophobic, stuck-up, straight bitch....
I sometimes really wonder if I were adopted at birth....
I was adopted very young but met my natural mother much later. I have always been much more like her in all ways than my adoptive parents. "
I was adopted young too. Ive never really wanted to meet my natural parents, had the odd curious moment but never followed through. I hope it was s a successful reunion for you as I think it takes guts to do this |
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"If sexuality was hereditary, I'd be a snotty, homophobic, stuck-up, straight bitch....
I sometimes really wonder if I were adopted at birth....
I was adopted very young but met my natural mother much later. I have always been much more like her in all ways than my adoptive parents.
I was adopted young too. Ive never really wanted to meet my natural parents, had the odd curious moment but never followed through. I hope it was s a successful reunion for you as I think it takes guts to do this "
very emotional subject. if you want to pm me I am happy to talk about it. |
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By *D40Couple
over a year ago
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"I think I've always been gay even though I tried to suppress it for a long time. However, I don't like to think that it defines who I am. I'm a man who just happens, through no conscious decision of my own, to fancy men. I don't go around telling people I'm gay (do straight guys tell people they're straight?) but I'm confident enough now to tell Somme if they ask directly. I would like to have had children because there is a fundamental urge in many humans to procreate. However, I've been a teacher all my life so in many ways I feel that all my students have been like children and I have had some influence in shaping their lives. I couldn't have stood the guilt involved in getting married and then meeting men for sex and always having to lie and cover up. Ironically most of the men I meet are bi-curious or bi and we get on well because I can identify with their situation as it could have easily been me! I think this has been a really good thread. "
Nicely put |
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By *ndigo40Woman
over a year ago
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"Just wondering people's thoughts on this subject.
I'm definitely bisexual and my child is definitely gay.
Do you think it could be linked to genetics..hereditary ?
Please discuss....."
Maybe....
But we not scientists or doctors
But
Serial killers
Pedos
Serial rapist
I think they are programmed differently when they are growing in the womb, something triggers these urges in later life
Gay/bi/lesbian etc
May be heretariy, I don't know |
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