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"I know its not a swinging question but do many guys take them in here?" Anabolic or cortico? | |||
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"Not recommended for a swingers site they make the willy shrink and shrivel up." That'll be the diabolic - sorry, anabolic sort. | |||
"Not recommended for a swingers site they make the willy shrink and shrivel up. That'll be the diabolic - sorry, anabolic sort." Anabolic sort......well Anavar Oral type to be more specific. | |||
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"Dunno why people need to take them. Find bulging biceps a complete turn off." Its no diff to ladies wearing makeup or going for drastic surgery to try and better them selvs,now my self id rather take a pin in the arse than go under the knife but it all depends how happy ppl are with they appearance | |||
"Dunno why people need to take them. Find bulging biceps a complete turn off. Its no diff to ladies wearing makeup or going for drastic surgery to try and better them selvs,now my self id rather take a pin in the arse than go under the knife but it all depends how happy ppl are with they appearance " I'm assuming you take them then. Like all medicines they have their place, but as said above, they affect your mood and your libido. Not worth getting buff if you can't get it up really. And I really don't think taking something to artificially pump up your muscles is quite the same thing as me putting on some lippy. I agree that people who have cosmetic surgery just to look good does compare but then I haven't done that! | |||
"Nowt wrong with taking perfomance inhancing suppliments ,its a very small number of ppl who flip into roid rages as is always the case ,the minority spoils it for the magority,i know loads of folk that dabble and they are cool as cucumbers on them ull tend to find that its the younger genaration that takes them for the aggresion aspect ov it and only take them to scrap wich gives it all a bad name but my views are that its horses for courses " I actually thought that this was the most ridiculous thing I'd ever read on here. That was until I read your second post on this thread... Wow. Genuinely lost for words. Mad, crazy idea and forgive me if I'm missing something obvious, but if you want to be bigger, errr why not just train harder? | |||
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"Dunno why people need to take them. Find bulging biceps a complete turn off." I'd rather have bulging biceps than a beer belly. It's not a case of needing to take them but wanting to enhance what you've worked hard to acheive. And in case you're wondering, I dont take them. Yet!!  | |||
"Dunno why people need to take them. Find bulging biceps a complete turn off.I'd rather have bulging biceps than a beer belly. It's not a case of needing to take them but wanting to enhance what you've worked hard to acheive. And in case you're wondering, I dont take them. Yet!! "Hear hear couldent agree more | |||
"And in case you're wondering, I dont take them. Yet!! "Please don't. You look fine as you are. | |||
"Its down to the indavidual so why does it sound so rediculouse to you ,ppl smoke others dont,ppl take drugs others dont,some ppl drink but others dont like i said horses for courses and going on what youve just said bout training harder to get bigger u obviously havent got a clue what you are on about but you intitled to your oppinion but thats your opinion there are ppl that wont find what ive said as rediculouse as u like to make out it is "It was the logic of your argument and the suggestion that taking steroids was on a par with using make up I was calling ridiculous. Not the use of PED's. Still ignoring the fact that you missed that point dismissing me as not knowing what I am talking about for disagreeing with you hardly strengthens your argument. | |||
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"Its down to the indavidual so why does it sound so rediculouse to you ,ppl smoke others dont,ppl take drugs others dont,some ppl drink but others dont like i said horses for courses and going on what youve just said bout training harder to get bigger u obviously havent got a clue what you are on about but you intitled to your oppinion but thats your opinion there are ppl that wont find what ive said as rediculouse as u like to make out it is
It was the logic of your argument and the suggestion that taking steroids was on a par with using make up I was calling ridiculous. Not the use of PED's. Still ignoring the fact that you missed that point dismissing me as not knowing what I am talking about for disagreeing with you hardly strengthens your argument. "Ladies put makeup on all the time to make themselfs look more attractive and appealing and to make them selvs feel better not unlike ppl wi body complexes in which ppl take enhancements to make them selfs look more attractive and feel better and look more appealing and phisically attractive to others now how can u not see the comparisons coz if these ladies were proper confident who wear make up they wouldent wear the mask same as ppl who take the gear ,if they felt happy and confident with themselfs thay wouldent be taking them would they? | |||
"And in case you're wondering, I dont take them. Yet!!
Please don't. You look fine as you are."Thanks honey, that's nice to hear, x | |||
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"Ladies put makeup on all the time to make themselfs look more attractive and appealing and to make them selvs feel better not unlike ppl wi body complexes in which ppl take enhancements to make them selfs look more attractive and feel better and look more appealing and phisically attractive to others now how can u not see the comparisons coz if these ladies were proper confident who wear make up they wouldent wear the mask same as ppl who take the gear ,if they felt happy and confident with themselfs thay wouldent be taking them would they?" Seriously I can't see the comparison that takes steroids is "just like" a woman wearing make up because the comparrison os ridiculous. Women wear make up to look good, in the same way as they wear perfume and in the same way that men wear aftershave or in many cases have grooming regimes. Or maybe just keep themselves toned and fit. This is not the same as having body issues where eating disorders and extreme plastic surgery is far more comparable to steroid abuse in the quest for the body beautiful. | |||
"I personally think that any self indicted health issue should be exempt from Nhs treatment that would save the health service billions" It would also pretty much exempt everyone from treatment for the vast majority of illnesses and injuries and would of course be the total opposite of the concept of the NHS. | |||
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"Dunno why people need to take them. Find bulging biceps a complete turn off.I'd rather have bulging biceps than a beer belly. It's not a case of needing to take them but wanting to enhance what you've worked hard to acheive. And in case you're wondering, I dont take them. Yet!! "I would rather have a healthy little beer belly than solid muscle and a shrivelled up useless cock. | |||
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"They are a class c illegal drug unless prescribed by your GP. "glad someone mentioned this... I have taken creams which have has a certain amount of steroids in them.. but that is for proper medical conditions, i would never have considered taken them otherwise.... | |||
"Where do you ppl get the missconception that steroids shrivel u cock ???????? " They might not shrivel your cock bit according to wiki: "There are also sex-specific side effects of anabolic steroids. Development of breast tissue in males, a condition called gynecomastia (which is usually caused by high levels of circulating estradiol), may arise because of increased conversion of testosterone to estradiol by the enzyme aromatase. Reduced sexual function and temporary infertility can also occur in males. Another male-specific side effect which can occur is testicular atrophy, caused by the suppression of natural testosterone levels, which inhibits production of sperm (most of the mass of the testes is developing sperm). This side effect is temporary: the size of the testicles usually returns to normal within a few weeks of discontinuing anabolic steroid use as normal production of sperm resumes" | |||
"Ladies put makeup on all the time to make themselfs look more attractive and appealing and to make them selvs feel better not unlike ppl wi body complexes in which ppl take enhancements to make them selfs look more attractive and feel better and look more appealing and phisically attractive to others now how can u not see the comparisons coz if these ladies were proper confident who wear make up they wouldent wear the mask same as ppl who take the gear ,if they felt happy and confident with themselfs thay wouldent be taking them would they? Seriously I can't see the comparison that takes steroids is "just like" a woman wearing make up because the comparrison os ridiculous. Women wear make up to look good, in the same way as they wear perfume and in the same way that men wear aftershave or in many cases have grooming regimes. Or maybe just keep themselves toned and fit. This is not the same as having body issues where eating disorders and extreme plastic surgery is far more comparable to steroid abuse in the quest for the body beautiful." Its all makeup which ever way you look at it coz like makeup .if you dont keep applying it dont do the job exactly the same as steroids and when you come off the juice ull ultimatly end up back where you started where as plastik surgery is permanent steroids arnt so if u ad a clue ud know this and u need a good diet and trainig routines and the vitamins and minerals to get the gains you need ,its called dedacation its not as simple as just jabbing stuff into you and like ive said its more like makeup rather than permanent plastick surgery | |||
"Where do you ppl get the missconception that steroids shrivel u cock ???????? They might not shrivel your cock bit according to wiki: "There are also sex-specific side effects of anabolic steroids. Development of breast tissue in males, a condition called gynecomastia (which is usually caused by high levels of circulating estradiol), may arise because of increased conversion of testosterone to estradiol by the enzyme aromatase. Reduced sexual function and temporary infertility can also occur in males. Another male-specific side effect which can occur is testicular atrophy, caused by the suppression of natural testosterone levels, which inhibits production of sperm (most of the mass of the testes is developing sperm). This side effect is temporary: the size of the testicles usually returns to normal within a few weeks of discontinuing anabolic steroid use as normal production of sperm resumes" " And have you ever used them?????????? | |||
" And have you ever used them??????????" No. For one thing I'm not so insecure about my looks or physique that I would use drugs to pander to a fairly pathetic stereotype of what constitutes a real man... But I don't understand your question. Welll I understand it but not the relevence. You asked where the misconceptoion came from. I gave you a wiki link. Wiki is generally a well respected indepependant source on drugs and their use so I thought it may explan some of our "misconceptions" - or are you saying that it is wrong? | |||
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" And have you ever used them?????????? No. For one thing I'm not so insecure about my looks or physique that I would use drugs to pander to a fairly pathetic stereotype of what constitutes a real man... But I don't understand your question. Welll I understand it but not the relevence. You asked where the misconceptoion came from. I gave you a wiki link. Wiki is generally a well respected indepependant source on drugs and their use so I thought it may explan some of our "misconceptions" - or are you saying that it is wrong? " It just goes to show that you aint got a clue coz you had to read up on it but there are ppl out there that beleive everything they read but if we went buy the book we all be robots so wat im saying ,dont knock them if u aint tried them nd yes they are a b class drug but if booze and fags wer a new thing theyd be categorised as A class straight away but ppl still drink and smoke even though the harmfull effects of booze and fags far out weight the side effects of most A b and class C drugs out there now thats a fact and a goverment expert got sacked by the goverment a few yrs ago for saying the same | |||
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"Ladies put makeup on all the time to make themselfs look more attractive and appealing and to make them selvs feel better not unlike ppl wi body complexes in which ppl take enhancements to make them selfs look more attractive and feel better and look more appealing and phisically attractive to others now how can u not see the comparisons coz if these ladies were proper confident who wear make up they wouldent wear the mask same as ppl who take the gear ,if they felt happy and confident with themselfs thay wouldent be taking them would they? Seriously I can't see the comparison that takes steroids is "just like" a woman wearing make up because the comparrison os ridiculous. Women wear make up to look good, in the same way as they wear perfume and in the same way that men wear aftershave or in many cases have grooming regimes. Or maybe just keep themselves toned and fit. This is not the same as having body issues where eating disorders and extreme plastic surgery is far more comparable to steroid abuse in the quest for the body beautiful." My thought exactly, make up washes off. | |||
" It just goes to show that you aint got a clue coz you had to read up on it but there are ppl out there that beleive everything they read but if we went buy the book we all be robots so wat im saying ,dont knock them if u aint tried them nd yes they are a b class drug but if booze and fags wer a new thing theyd be categorised as A class straight away but ppl still drink and smoke even though the harmfull effects of booze and fags far out weight the side effects of most A b and class C drugs out there now thats a fact and a goverment expert got sacked by the goverment a few yrs ago for saying the same " I haven't got a clue? Fair enough... Did I need to look it up or did I just find a concise link to answer your question of where does the misconception that steroids effect you in a negative way sexually? I found dozens of links I could have used all saying the same thing. I suspect you will find very few links endorsing your opinion. Your argument borders on insults and just repeating the same points without anything beyind anecdotal evidence yet you say I haven't got a clue. Oh and relaying well researched and documented scientific facts is not the same as believing eerything you read... | |||
" And have you ever used them?????????? No. For one thing I'm not so insecure about my looks or physique that I would use drugs to pander to a fairly pathetic stereotype of what constitutes a real man... But I don't understand your question. Welll I understand it but not the relevence. You asked where the misconceptoion came from. I gave you a wiki link. Wiki is generally a well respected indepependant source on drugs and their use so I thought it may explan some of our "misconceptions" - or are you saying that it is wrong? " Easy tiger, sounds like you got a bit of roid rage yourself there mate. You sure you're not on them? It's not about being insecure or being a real man. It's just some people want a bit of help reaching their goals. Even if somebody takes roids or other supplements you've still got to put the work in at the gym. Your not doing any less just getting a bit of help that's all. Why are you getting set het up about it anyway? | |||
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" And have you ever used them?????????? No. For one thing I'm not so insecure about my looks or physique that I would use drugs to pander to a fairly pathetic stereotype of what constitutes a real man..." What a crock of shit  | |||
" Easy tiger, sounds like you got a bit of roid rage yourself there mate. You sure you're not on them? It's not about being insecure or being a real man. It's just some people want a bit of help reaching their goals. Even if somebody takes roids or other supplements you've still got to put the work in at the gym. Your not doing any less just getting a bit of help that's all. Why are you getting set het up about it anyway?" I compete in a sport riddled with drug problems. Attitudes towards PED's and cheatuing fascinate me. I'm not het up about anything. Serious questions and I'm genuinely curious not trolling as unlike Mr Spice you are giving some reasoned answers: You use PED's, you are in the gym changing room, do you not feel a fraud? Particularly if the guy next to you doesn't dope? You talk about using PED's in a very blaise way. I get the impresssion that you see it in much the same way as a protein shake (possibly a poor comparrison) and the fact that they are illegal both on a criminal or sporting level is not a consideration? Is that the general consensus within bodybuilding? In view of the fact that the side effects can be mental, physical and sexual is it really worth it? Could you not just train harder or accept natures limitatations? | |||
"Lets not kid ourselves. There is no reason why anabolic steroids need to be taken. its plain cheating, taking the easy route to getting a "fine" body. All bodies can be sculptured naturally using the right exercises, the bulging muscles, six packs do not need steroids, patience and dedication (discipline)is all that is needed. " No it's not cheating and you obviously know very very little about Anabolic Steroids and it's uses. | |||
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"They are a class c illegal drug unless prescribed by your GP. "According to Frank, you are right, they are meant to be prescribed, but they are not illegal to buy for personal use..only if you sell them on. Quoted...."Anabolic steroids are Class C drugs to be sold only by pharmacists with a doctor's prescription. It's legal to possess or import steroids as long as they're in the form of a medicinal product for personal use. But possession or importing with intent to supply (which includes giving them to friends) is illegal and could lead to 14 years in prison and an unlimited fine." | |||
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"Of course its cheating. Anabolic Steroids Steroids are a class of compounds that includes cholesterol, corticosteroids, and sex hormones. Cholesterol adds rigidity to cell membranes, and plays an important role in formation of steroid hormone, bile acids, and Vitamin D. Corticosteroids are steroids produce in the adrenal cortex of the brain. There are two types of corticosteroids which includes glucocorticoid that is involved in controlling the balance of glucose, and mineralocorticoids that regulates the body's electrolyte balance. Sex hormones are responsible for the development of reproductive organs and secondary sex characteristics such as deepening of the voice and beard growth in male. Male sex hormones are called androgens. Testosterone is the most important type of androgen. It is involved in the production of sperms and promotes the growth of male sex organs. Additionally, testosterone is also responsible for muscle development. Anabolic Steroids are synthetic substances related to testosterone. It is used by some athletes to promote and speed up muscle development. There are several types of anabolic steroids that are manufactured today. Some of the more popular types are Oxymetholone (Anadrol), Testosterone Cypionate (Depo-Testosterone), Stanozolol (Winstrol), etc. Anabolic steroid works by binding to androgen receptor sites indirectly stimulating protein synthesis. It is at this point that muscle growth and development is enhanced and hasten. The gain in muscle strength and endurance is far beyond that which could be accomplished even in rigorous training. You can think of it as a normal human being turning into "Superman". Unfortunately, the use of anabolic steroids has drawbacks. These include increased irritability, hot flashes, hypertension, depression, chills, anorexia, nausea, vomiting, anxiety, euphoria, mood swings, and psychosis. As you can see, anabolic steroid celibate athletes are a disadvantage to an anabolic steroid user athlete. How can we know if someone is using anabolic steroid or not?. Athletic competition, as with anything else should be done in the fairest form as possible. A racing car with super turbo gasoline is going to run faster than a car with regular unleaded gasoline. The only way to promote a fair athletic competition is to test the athletes for anabolic steroids. " Or that everyone competing in the competition be on steroids, thus presenting a level playing field, hence no cheating. As in a lot of the major Bodybuilding organisations and the Strongest Man contests. XXXX | |||
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"not safe like any other drugs especially if abused.. I have seen the after effects of steroid use and the great impact it can have on overall health .. " Yea but what are the effects left by the drugs the doc gives you have you actually read the side effects ov pain killers ,simple pain killers? | |||
" No it's not cheating and you obviously know very very little about Anabolic Steroids and it's uses." of course it is!!!! the most famous user of an "anabolic steroid" is probably Ben Johnson... for all the sports I played at a high level... American football, basketball and rugby... they all fall on the WADA (World Anti Doping Agency) list of banned substances.... so it is Cheating, I have taken drugs tests and you have to declare everything.... and i mean everything.... medical down to cough drops... all sports in the olympics come under WADA's Authority remember that british skiier who lost a medal because of a failed drugs test... it was because of a US vix's inhaler... the US version had a banned steroid in it, where the UK version doesn't or are we only talking about body building now because there is evidence that is has led to increased amounts of Liver Failure, to increased heart attacks because the heart can get enlarged, and other things.. and that is in the pro athletes that have taken it.... | |||
"not safe like any other drugs especially if abused.. I have seen the after effects of steroid use and the great impact it can have on overall health .. " Of course all drugs are dangerous if taken to excess or abused. And not just drugs. Eat too many cream cakes, your gonna get fat. Should we ban cream cakes? No, just be sensible about how much you eat. Same with drink or drugs, use but dont abuse. My dad is on all sorts of medication to keep him alive but he's also very aware that all these drugs are slowly destroying his liver and that's from legally prescribed drugs. Taken properly, and not to excess there is nothing wrong with taking steroids if you're not competing in a tested sport. Not exactly the same as but similar to deciding wether or not to smoke, drink, wear make up, sunbathe or stick your finger up your arse if you so desire,lol. | |||
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" Taken properly, and not to excess there is nothing wrong with taking steroids if you're not competing in a tested sport." so other than the fact we may do different sports... where one is regulated to say you can't use "this this and this" and the other may not be, the fact still remains that it has to be prescribed by a doctor to get it legally... " Not exactly the same as but similar to deciding wether or not to smoke, drink, wear make up, sunbathe or stick your finger up your arse if you so desire,lol. "but if you decide "whether or not to smoke, drink, wear make up, sunbathe or stick your finger up your arse if you so desire" is the fact that none of those would give anyone a competative advantage in any sport over using something that isn't in effect "natural"....
glad its been an interesting conversation thou... it just sounds like it is bodybuilders on one side... and everyone else on the other...
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"I do know what I am talking about my brother used to take them when he was younger nasty side effects including bad acne, mood swings, low sperm count etc plus now he has a bad heart condition all to the use of steroids. He started taking im them to help him bulk up and soon got addicted and while he was on them I could not be around him and I lost my big brother for a while." just what i am getting at and sorry to hear about your brother.. xxx | |||
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"I'm still trying to get my head around the comparison of taking anabolic steroids and applying lipstick! Looks like taking anabolic steriods also kills of brain cells! "its all bout making yourself look better and same as makie up wich u wash off steroids dont last ,they a quick fix coz if you stop taking them ull end back where you was to start with so like makeup if u ugly before you put slap on ,wen you take it off you just as ugly ,metophorically speaking and like i said the same goes for roids if you a cetain shape when you start them ,when you come off them for good back to that shape u go | |||
"I'm still trying to get my head around the comparison of taking anabolic steroids and applying lipstick! Looks like taking anabolic steriods also kills of brain cells!
its all bout making yourself look better and same as makie up wich u wash off steroids dont last ,they a quick fix coz if you stop taking them ull end back where you was to start with so like makeup if u ugly before you put slap on ,wen you take it off you just as ugly ,metophorically speaking and like i said the same goes for roids if you a cetain shape when you start them ,when you come off them for good back to that shape u go "Dont know why your bothering spice.. Some people are just not capable of seeing past their own argument.
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" its all bout making yourself look better and same as makie up wich u wash off steroids dont last ,they a quick fix coz if you stop taking them ull end back where you was to start with so like makeup if u ugly before you put slap on ,wen you take it off you just as ugly ,metophorically speaking and like i said the same goes for roids if you a cetain shape when you start them ,when you come off them for good back to that shape u go " it may be vanity...but putting on "make up" doesn't lead to a higher instance of heart attacks, or liver failure, or lowers sperm count, or lead to increase cases of depression, and various other effects... not me saying this... that would be the BMA in the UK, NIDA in the US, and the World Health Organisation in the UN, far better minds on the subject than you or I.... but in the end we are still taking about something that in most parts of the world you still have to get a medical prescription for..... and unless bodybuilders have now all gotten some sort of inherant medical condition that they all need treatment... the fact would remain they are getting it outside of the law, and outside of any medical need.... | |||
"I'm still trying to get my head around the comparison of taking anabolic steroids and applying lipstick! Looks like taking anabolic steriods also kills of brain cells!
its all bout making yourself look better and same as makie up wich u wash off steroids dont last ,they a quick fix coz if you stop taking them ull end back where you was to start with so like makeup if u ugly before you put slap on ,wen you take it off you just as ugly ,metophorically speaking and like i said the same goes for roids if you a cetain shape when you start them ,when you come off them for good back to that shape u go
Dont know why your bothering spice..
Some people are just not capable of seeing past their own argument.
I understand what your saying.. "Cheers guys im not going to bother no more lol | |||
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"there is a great NIDA report I am reading right now, promted by this thread on anabolic steroids.. not allowed to put up the link, but if anyone wants a read pm me and i'll be more than happy to put up the link.... " Its horses for courses dude ,smoking kills,drinking also so does prescribed drugs by doc and walking down the street can but thats not going to stop ppl doing it ,now this thread was put up by th OP asking are there many guys on ere that take them wich should be a simple yes or no answer so i think the actuall point has been missed,i cant understand why ppl get so arsey bout it theres a saying that 1 mans meat is anothers poison if u dont wanna do it tiz no poin moaning bout it and trying to prove youself right just dont do them inni, just say no | |||
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" It just goes to show that you aint got a clue coz you had to read up on it but there are ppl out there that beleive everything they read but if we went buy the book we all be robots so wat im saying ,dont knock them if u aint tried them nd yes they are a b class drug but if booze and fags wer a new thing theyd be categorised as A class straight away but ppl still drink and smoke even though the harmfull effects of booze and fags far out weight the side effects of most A b and class C drugs out there now thats a fact and a goverment expert got sacked by the goverment a few yrs ago for saying the same I haven't got a clue? Fair enough... Did I need to look it up or did I just find a concise link to answer your question of where does the misconception that steroids effect you in a negative way sexually? I found dozens of links I could have used all saying the same thing. I suspect you will find very few links endorsing your opinion. Your argument borders on insults and just repeating the same points without anything beyind anecdotal evidence yet you say I haven't got a clue. Oh and relaying well researched and documented scientific facts is not the same as believing eerything you read..." Listen dude im not insulting anybody ,but like ive said u aint got a clue and you are clearly not listening to the points thats being made or just simpl being igronant to them coz you cant see past your own points | |||
"I do know what I am talking about my brother used to take them when he was younger nasty side effects including bad acne, mood swings, low sperm count etc plus now he has a bad heart condition all to the use of steroids. He started taking im them to help him bulk up and soon got addicted and while he was on them I could not be around him and I lost my big brother for a while." So he admitted to being a Steroid user, but how do you know all his problems were not brought on by another 10 things he was maybe getting smacked up on at the same time ? because unless you both are conjoined twins, you're never going to know for sure, are you ? Like all drugs, there are side effects that can affect people in a wide range of ways, and some won't get any at all, but since your brother became Ill and had admitted being a steroid user then the steroids get the blame. If he hadn't been a steroid user, and was doing Crack instead, then that would have been blamed for it instead, likewise if he lived clean other than fags, then the fags would have got the blame. Any medical issue can always get blamed on your worst vice. | |||
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"actually as "newbody" has said.. it has been an interesting conversation, and the OP left it so open that it could have gone in any direction, which is why i deliberatly didn't answer this last night... i just find it interesting that the body builders amongst us accept it and defend it, whereas its a "no no" for almost every other type of sportsperson/athlete.... I know I couldn't take at the level I got to so it wasn't even a choice for me... " Personally my view is if someone wants to take it to make themselves look good that really is their perogative and I have no arguement with that at all...horses for courses. What I don't get is how someone can compare putting glycerin on my lips as equivalent to taking a drug! | |||
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"I do know what I am talking about my brother used to take them when he was younger nasty side effects including bad acne, mood swings, low sperm count etc plus now he has a bad heart condition all to the use of steroids. He started taking im them to help him bulk up and soon got addicted and while he was on them I could not be around him and I lost my big brother for a while. So he admitted to being a Steroid user, but how do you know all his problems were not brought on by another 10 things he was maybe getting smacked up on at the same time ? because unless you both are conjoined twins, you're never going to know for sure, are you ? Like all drugs, there are side effects that can affect people in a wide range of ways, and some won't get any at all, but since your brother became Ill and had admitted being a steroid user then the steroids get the blame. If he hadn't been a steroid user, and was doing Crack instead, then that would have been blamed for it instead, likewise if he lived clean other than fags, then the fags would have got the blame. Any medical issue can always get blamed on your worst vice." Because he is my brother apart from the steroids he has never taken drugs (recreational) in his life, never smoked, only drinks a little and has always been a health freak and sports mad into anything and everything he had to retire from rugby his passion due to health reasons. Was always the smallest at school and in his teens had a little temper he started to go to the gym to release frustration started getting into junior weight lifting competitions he even won titles. Started on the steroids to give him an edge was ready to go pro and screwed everything up. | |||
"Lets not kid ourselves. There is no reason why anabolic steroids need to be taken. its plain cheating, taking the easy route to getting a "fine" body. All bodies can be sculptured naturally using the right exercises, the bulging muscles, six packs do not need steroids, patience and dedication (discipline)is all that is needed. No it's not cheating and you obviously know very very little about Anabolic Steroids and it's uses." Really???? | |||
" It just goes to show that you aint got a clue coz you had to read up on it but there are ppl out there that beleive everything they read but if we went buy the book we all be robots so wat im saying ,dont knock them if u aint tried them nd yes they are a b class drug but if booze and fags wer a new thing theyd be categorised as A class straight away but ppl still drink and smoke even though the harmfull effects of booze and fags far out weight the side effects of most A b and class C drugs out there now thats a fact and a goverment expert got sacked by the goverment a few yrs ago for saying the same I haven't got a clue? Fair enough... Did I need to look it up or did I just find a concise link to answer your question of where does the misconception that steroids effect you in a negative way sexually? I found dozens of links I could have used all saying the same thing. I suspect you will find very few links endorsing your opinion. Your argument borders on insults and just repeating the same points without anything beyind anecdotal evidence yet you say I haven't got a clue. Oh and relaying well researched and documented scientific facts is not the same as believing eerything you read..." I have to agree with _rs sugar mr spice. Your just being argumentative and closed minded to the point he was making. First question is why do you assume that someone is insecure about their body because they take steroids? Yes there may be some who are but I would put money on it that the majority do it for greater gains in the gym. If you did know what you were talking aobut then you'd know that for a lot of people once they get to a certain size it's gets harder to get any bigger, hense they turn to supplements to assist them, whether that be legal or illegal. Doesn't mean they are insecure about there body! So to look at Mr Spice's comments I think what he was trying to say is that for a lot of people it's about vanity and looking good which although on a smaller scale is exactly what makeup is about. As for the side effects most things we do have side effects, smoking, drinking etc. I'd say some more than others! As long as your educated what these are and have done your research then you can minimise the risks of these side effects. I'll pick out the gynoplastia (if i've spelt it right) or man boobs. When you stop taking steroids your hormones are imbalanced so you produce to much estrogen which can result in breast tissue. That's why when coming off a cycle you take anti estrogens. Some people suffer more than others. While some people do suffer from a loss of labido i think I'm right in saying that this is only a minority. Just like smoking and drinking can effect someone's libido the only difference is that no one makes a big song and dance about it because "it's ok, it's legal". Yea whatever. It's legal cause it's taxable! How much damage does smoking and drinking? But they don't get controversial forum posts like this.
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"Lets not kid ourselves. There is no reason why anabolic steroids need to be taken. its plain cheating, taking the easy route to getting a "fine" body. All bodies can be sculptured naturally using the right exercises, the bulging muscles, six packs do not need steroids, patience and dedication (discipline)is all that is needed. No it's not cheating and you obviously know very very little about Anabolic Steroids and it's uses. Really???? "I agree that you can get a sculptured body from hard work and a good diet but like I put in my above post a lot of people platoe at a certain size and no matter how much you change your routine etc it's nigh on impossible to get any bigger. I think that's why a lot of people take gear, to get bigger. | |||
"actually as "newbody" has said.. it has been an interesting conversation, and the OP left it so open that it could have gone in any direction, which is why i deliberatly didn't answer this last night... i just find it interesting that the body builders amongst us accept it and defend it, whereas its a "no no" for almost every other type of sportsperson/athlete.... I know I couldn't take at the level I got to so it wasn't even a choice for me... " Steroids are being taken at all levels and type's of sports. Yes they get tested for which is why the people who know how to make them are changing the structure of some steroids constantly to make them more difficult to detect. For some athletes they resort to more dangerous substences such as Humon Growth Hormone (HGH) which side effects are a lot more profound than anabolic steroids. Why do they take this. First it's a lot harder to detect than steroids and the results can be a lot more profound as well. Side effects? If I remember correctly there similar to steroids but you also get the added bonus of added bone growth! | |||
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"Regardless of the arguments for and against taking the side effects and the causes there is one thing that is still a fact. If you are taking steroids that are not prescribed to you by a Medical Professional those steroids are ILLEGAL. " and that is the bit people seem to "convieniently" forget....... thank you for raising it again... so to get them is either a missue of a product.. or they get them illegally.... | |||
"Regardless of the arguments for and against taking the side effects and the causes there is one thing that is still a fact. If you are taking steroids that are not prescribed to you by a Medical Professional those steroids are ILLEGAL. and that is the bit people seem to "convieniently" forget....... thank you for raising it again... so to get them is either a missue of a product.. or they get them illegally...." I don't think it's something that people seem to conventiantly forget. Some people obviously don't think they should be just like some people would argue that marijuana shouldn't be illegal. No I'm not saying it should be legal before anyone jumps on my back
No that doesn't make it right but lets face it there's a lot worse things out there and the fact that they are illegal means that people will just end up going to suspect sources with suspect product that isn't regulated.
I may be wrong I'm just about to check up but I'm sure steroids are illegal to buy in the uk. It's not illegal to use them or import them as long as they are for personal use.
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"Anabolic steroids are Class C drugs to be sold only by pharmacists with a doctor's prescription. It's legal to possess or import steroids as long as they're in the form of a medicinal product for personal use. But possession or importing with intent to supply (which includes giving them to friends) is illegal and could lead to 14 years in prison and an unlimited fine. That's according to the Frank website. So your actualy wrong to say that people are breaking the law by taking steroids! I bet that's opened a few peoples eyes to something they didn't know! "So as long as your importing them for yourself and not supplying then your not breaking any laws! Which begs the question. Why make them illegal to buy in the uk in the first place? As all that will lead to is people buying them from underground labs or other suspect places! P.S. Deleted a couple of times cause got the wording wrong  | |||
"Its a misconception that steroids shrink your cock,which is just as well in my case 'cause I can't afford it! Your balls shrink because of the added synthetic testosterone,therefore you stop producing your own. As for roid rage that's a myth perpetrated by arseholes that also happen to take steroids. If your an arsehole,you'd be an arsehole whether you took Paracetamol,Aspirin,Night Nurse or Smarties. The fact that you take steroids just makes you a bigger,stronger arsehole! As for it lowering your sex drive,that's also a myth,most guys can shag for Britain when using the gear. Unfortunately the reverse can be true when you come off them. Cheating? Not if everyone else in the contest is using them,if you don't your only cheating yourself. Bottom line is down to personal choice,education and care. There's a difference between use and abuse!
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"Anabolic steroids are Class C drugs to be sold only by pharmacists with a doctor's prescription. It's legal to possess or import steroids as long as they're in the form of a medicinal product for personal use. But possession or importing with intent to supply (which includes giving them to friends) is illegal and could lead to 14 years in prison and an unlimited fine. That's according to the Frank website. So your actualy wrong to say that people are breaking the law by taking steroids! I bet that's opened a few peoples eyes to something they didn't know! "Probably not, as I quoted that way up there, and it was either missed or ignored me thinks | |||
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"I just wonder out of all those who mentioned that they are illegal if any have ever received anything knock off? boot leg fags or alcohol fake perfume Pirate movies Downloaded music or videos without paying\ speeding (in car not drugs) I only mention it as all those are illegal. So your a bit of a hypocrit to go on about steroids being illegal. Yes I know your reply is going to be "but there drugs". Yes I know that, but there not exactly mind altering drugs and as already pointed out it's not illegal to posses, import or use them! Just a thought "You're passionate about something you don't use yourself! Also, please...hypocritical?!! Do you read the forums?!! This is a site for "like minded" people looking for good old fashioned sex but read the comments on barebacking, married men, bi men etc and you'd think you'd stumbled onto the Mary Whitehouse Appreciation Society by mistake! | |||
"I just wonder out of all those who mentioned that they are illegal if any have ever received anything knock off? boot leg fags or alcohol fake perfume Pirate movies Downloaded music or videos without paying\ speeding (in car not drugs) I only mention it as all those are illegal. So your a bit of a hypocrit to go on about steroids being illegal. Yes I know your reply is going to be "but there drugs". Yes I know that, but there not exactly mind altering drugs and as already pointed out it's not illegal to posses, import or use them! Just a thought
You're passionate about something you don't use yourself!
Also, please...hypocritical?!! Do you read the forums?!! This is a site for "like minded" people looking for good old fashioned sex but read the comments on barebacking, married men, bi men etc and you'd think you'd stumbled onto the Mary Whitehouse Appreciation Society by mistake! "I say hypocritical because I honestly like to think I comment on a subject after I've reflected on firstly my thought's and then the way I live my life. I've read a few comments on the forums that have been written by a few people who have done neither and only comment to be argumentitive or opinionated. People are clearly free to comment irrespective of the above points I just find some people hypocrits because they comment on certain things being illegal but then knowingly break the law in other areas
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"I just wonder out of all those who mentioned that they are illegal if any have ever received anything knock off? boot leg fags or alcohol fake perfume Pirate movies Downloaded music or videos without paying\ speeding (in car not drugs) I only mention it as all those are illegal. So your a bit of a hypocrit to go on about steroids being illegal. Yes I know your reply is going to be "but there drugs". Yes I know that, but there not exactly mind altering drugs and as already pointed out it's not illegal to posses, import or use them! Just a thought
You're passionate about something you don't use yourself!
Also, please...hypocritical?!! Do you read the forums?!! This is a site for "like minded" people looking for good old fashioned sex but read the comments on barebacking, married men, bi men etc and you'd think you'd stumbled onto the Mary Whitehouse Appreciation Society by mistake! "and if your trying to emply that I do use them because I'm expressing my opinion and putting a few people right about their miss conceptions then I'd like to put you straight. I'd be very dissapointed if I put in the effort I do at the gym and only get the results I do if I was on steroids! I just posted because i felt someone who was informed about the subject (mr spice) was getting a bad deal from the miss informed! That doesn't make me a user! Even if I was it would be upto me and I'd happily admit it. If it wasn't for my job I probably would be on the gear | |||
"I just wonder out of all those who mentioned that they are illegal if any have ever received anything knock off? boot leg fags or alcohol fake perfume Pirate movies Downloaded music or videos without paying\ speeding (in car not drugs) I only mention it as all those are illegal. So your a bit of a hypocrit to go on about steroids being illegal. Yes I know your reply is going to be "but there drugs". Yes I know that, but there not exactly mind altering drugs and as already pointed out it's not illegal to posses, import or use them! Just a thought
You're passionate about something you don't use yourself!
Also, please...hypocritical?!! Do you read the forums?!! This is a site for "like minded" people looking for good old fashioned sex but read the comments on barebacking, married men, bi men etc and you'd think you'd stumbled onto the Mary Whitehouse Appreciation Society by mistake!
and if your trying to emply that I do use them because I'm expressing my opinion and putting a few people right about their miss conceptions then I'd like to put you straight.
I'd be very dissapointed if I put in the effort I do at the gym and only get the results I do if I was on steroids!
I just posted because i felt someone who was informed about the subject (mr spice) was getting a bad deal from the miss informed! That doesn't make me a user! Even if I was it would be upto me and I'd happily admit it. If it wasn't for my job I probably would be on the gear"Nice 1 m8 thats pretty much all exactly right but worded alot better then i could have one it but im glad sum ppl can see what im getting at again nice 1 | |||
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"I know this is extreme but does anybody remeber that documentary where the bodybuilders arm Gregg Valentino exploded because he was abusing them. These are the extreme risks of taking steroids. " Yes I remember that. It's arms where unreal, stupid
Yes that is the extreme, but then you can go to extremes with anything and have just as dire consequences.
Pain killers and other over the counter drugs, Alcohol, smoking, glue, aerosols, etc!
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"I know this is extreme but does anybody remeber that documentary where the bodybuilders arm Gregg Valentino exploded because he was abusing them. These are the extreme risks of taking steroids. " And it wasn't the steroids he was hooked on, he was hooked on getting bigger. The steroids just enabled him to do that
And yes, i've no doubt that taken the way he was they were harming his body. But as I already stated you can abuse any substance and damage your body.
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"I know this is extreme but does anybody remeber that documentary where the bodybuilders arm Gregg Valentino exploded because he was abusing them. These are the extreme risks of taking steroids. " And if u look back at the film ull notice that his actuall biceps are full of abseses coz he in the bathroom by the sink drawing the septic out ov them and after he had to have alot ov dead muscle cut awyay because of th infection that he had so in actuall fact his arms fucked up through the infection and not just simply through having massive biceps or a pump or steroids in volved thats through dirty needles or unsterile steroids or he could have been using water based like winstrol and jabbing straight in2 bicep and as winstrol takes a long time to dispurse it leaves you more prone to infection like abseses | |||
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"Well said Thats the first decent statement I've seen in this argument the people trying to diss ped's have absolutely no knowledge of them or training!! As for not being up to shagging absolute garbage ask lolli she can vouch she still gets it as good as ever!! "Theres alot of proper BS thats been said in this thread but there has also been some proper constructive comments but on the overall ppl just aint got a clue lol | |||
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"Theres alot of proper BS thats been said in this thread but there has also been some proper constructive comments but on the overall ppl just aint got a clue lol "The BS has come from both sides and somewhere in the middle is the truth about steriods and what they do or don't do. They can have severe side effects in some people just as most medication can. Not every one is going to experience them or even the milder effects, but one thing is certain steriods will affect you whether it's the desired effect ie faster muscle development or undesired. Now I've never taken steriods as PED's but I have in the past been a long term user of corticosteriods as part of the drug therapy post kidney transplant. I took them for 13 years and in that time had trouble controlling my weight, they made me constantly hungry also I had quite severe mood swings. If used correctly then they are as safe as any another medication, but nothing is 100% safe. | |||
"I totally agree with what you say if you don't understand something dont make comments on it! It's all media bullshit which people take for gospel when all the media do is go on a witch hunt when someone who has done peds or is on them goes on the rampage in truth these people had issues before they touched any peds!! " god forbid the press would create the myths to fit the truth and pass it off as fact
and yeah I take prescribed ones and they make for an interesting time longterm... any medication has benefits and risks and a gp is best to judge those to the benefit of an individual and not a pusher!
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"Theres alot of proper BS thats been said in this thread but there has also been some proper constructive comments but on the overall ppl just aint got a clue lol
The BS has come from both sides and somewhere in the middle is the truth about steriods and what they do or don't do. They can have severe side effects in some people just as most medication can. Not every one is going to experience them or even the milder effects, but one thing is certain steriods will affect you whether it's the desired effect ie faster muscle development or undesired.
Now I've never taken steriods as PED's but I have in the past been a long term user of corticosteriods as part of the drug therapy post kidney transplant. I took them for 13 years and in that time had trouble controlling my weight, they made me constantly hungry also I had quite severe mood swings.
If used correctly then they are as safe as any another medication, but nothing is 100% safe."That's correct as far as it goes but corticosteroids and anabolic steroids are completely different things - which I why I asked the question much further up the thread. | |||
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".........I do find it funny that people are using the "It stops you getting it up" line when only 2 weeks ago Robbie Williams was on the front pages admitting he injects testosterone to aid his libido - the hypocrisy is shocking, when a body builder uses it they are filthy raging "drug users" but when a pop star uses it he is using a "sex hormone" to make his life better." There's no question that anabolic steroid use CAN lead to impotence in SOME men. That's not to say it ALWAYS leads to impotence in ALL men but it can happen. There's no accurate way of telling in advance which steroids will have this effect on which men. | |||
"we are swingers not gym fanatics,herd of guys taking viagra " and again Viagra is also a prescribed drug which you are not suppose to get without seeing a doctor first..... only fair to make that fact aware as well.... | |||
"we are swingers not gym fanatics,herd of guys taking viagra and again Viagra is also a prescribed drug which you are not suppose to get without seeing a doctor first..... only fair to make that fact aware as well...." some could say the use of it is cheating.. | |||
" only fair to make that fact aware as well.... some could say the use of it is cheating.. "funny enough... there is contention as to whether it will go on WADA's banned list.... not on the list at the moment however it may go on the list before the 2012 olympics.... | |||
"we are swingers not gym fanatics,herd of guys taking viagra and again Viagra is also a prescribed drug which you are not suppose to get without seeing a doctor first..... only fair to make that fact aware as well.... Yes that is to enhance perfomance but you dont see many olympic athletes taking a hit of V before a race. Otherwise they will be winning by a head. Sorry could'nt resist. some could say the use of it is cheating.. " | |||
" There's no question that anabolic steroid use CAN lead to impotence in SOME men. That's not to say it ALWAYS leads to impotence in ALL men but it can happen. " You are 100% correct there - some people will always be effected by certain medicines where there are side effects. Its the people making the sweeping generalisations that are misinformed - it would be like saying every person that smokes will be impotent, every person that drinks, every person that eats red meat etc | |||
" There's no question that anabolic steroid use CAN lead to impotence in SOME men. That's not to say it ALWAYS leads to impotence in ALL men but it can happen. You are 100% correct there - some people will always be effected by certain medicines where there are side effects. Its the people making the sweeping generalisations that are misinformed - it would be like saying every person that smokes will be impotent, every person that drinks, every person that eats red meat etc" Hear hear | |||
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my body adapts to training and the time of the year i concentrate on a particular sport- if this means i am fit, healthy and attractive to some women then great- but that is certainly not my main concern.
i am probably rambling here, but my point is........why take training to such extremes, if you are not training for anything?
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"I know this is extreme but does anybody remeber that documentary where the bodybuilders arm Gregg Valentino exploded because he was abusing them. These are the extreme risks of taking steroids. " he was using sinthanol i think thats spelt right which aint a steroid but a silicone based substance | |||
"what i don't understand is, what are these people trying to achieve? I have had to do some gym work lately, purely to strengthen certain areas due to injury. it seems to me there is a whole sub-culture of guys who are dedicated to training- often at times using drugs. Often with a macho attitude that can put other users off. But what are they training for? it seems to me out of pure vanity, as athletes do get tested if they compete. i am very lazy by nature, but i train to compete, either at a high level or socially in sport. this is mainly for rugby and tennis which i get a great amount of joy from, and a great social life. also, lately i have discovered cycling, though regularly get my ass whooped by guys half my size- but my ego can take it
my body adapts to training and the time of the year i concentrate on a particular sport- if this means i am fit, healthy and attractive to some women then great- but that is certainly not my main concern.
i am probably rambling here, but my point is........why take training to such extremes, if you are not training for anything?
or is it purely that a lot of these guys do it to look intimidating while working as a doorman, and flex muscles at impressionable young girls? "As i have stated in this thread more than twice now ,its horses for courses and as in everything theres a minority that spoils it for the magority,u get ass holes in all aspects of life but you cant tarnish everybody with the same brush simply because 1 or 2 ppl who are doing the same are assholes coz that would be naive of that person | |||
"Steroids can be dangerous. We had a friend who suffered a heart attache at the age of 26 from over use. Just join a gym, and go 5 times a week. It may take longer, but it will not kill you!! "5 times a week? Are you mad? If you want to build muscle 3 times a week is ample. 5 times a week you're gonna give yourself a heart attack steds or not. And yes, it'll take longer, try like forever. Overtrain and you turn catabolic, the opposite of what a bodybuilder wants. Less is more. Rest is just as if not more important. It's not just about taking steds but everything else required when taking them. I wish people would stop throwing half arsed comments in without reading everything else that's been said here. Abuse of anything is bad. I refer back to my comments about cream cakes | |||
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"Steroids can be dangerous. We had a friend who suffered a heart attache at the age of 26 from over use. Just join a gym, and go 5 times a week. It may take longer, but it will not kill you!! 5 times a week? Are you mad? If you want to build muscle 3 times a week is ample. 5 times a week you're gonna give yourself a heart attack steds or not. And yes, it'll take longer, try like forever. Overtrain and you turn catabolic, the opposite of what a bodybuilder wants. Less is more. Rest is just as if not more important. It's not just about taking steds but everything else required when taking them. I wish people would stop throwing half arsed comments in without reading everything else that's been said here. Abuse of anything is bad. I refer back to my comments about cream cakes"your body will go into a catabolic state if you over do it i do 6 times a week but never in gym more than hour and never same body part atleast 6 days rest for each body part appart from your abs and calves that can be smashed 2-3 times a week | |||
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"Lets not kid ourselves. There is no reason why anabolic steroids need to be taken. its plain cheating, taking the easy route to getting a "fine" body. All bodies can be sculptured naturally using the right exercises, the bulging muscles, six packs do not need steroids, patience and dedication (discipline)is all that is needed. No it's not cheating and you obviously know very very little about Anabolic Steroids and it's uses. Really????
I agree that you can get a sculptured body from hard work and a good diet but like I put in my above post a lot of people platoe at a certain size and no matter how much you change your routine etc it's nigh on impossible to get any bigger. I think that's why a lot of people take gear, to get bigger.
"Well put this time, but there is no need to resort to steroids, to get bigger than naturally possible. I presume you work out, and there is a part of your body that is difficult to build, in my case, it is my wrists, however many curls I do, they never grow. I have accepted that, and would never use gear to improve on that. Body building is like painting a picture, imperfections and perfections are what makes the piece pleasant to look at. Accept nature's "mistrokes"... | |||
"Lets not kid ourselves. There is no reason why anabolic steroids need to be taken. its plain cheating, taking the easy route to getting a "fine" body. All bodies can be sculptured naturally using the right exercises, the bulging muscles, six packs do not need steroids, patience and dedication (discipline)is all that is needed. No it's not cheating and you obviously know very very little about Anabolic Steroids and it's uses. Really????
I agree that you can get a sculptured body from hard work and a good diet but like I put in my above post a lot of people platoe at a certain size and no matter how much you change your routine etc it's nigh on impossible to get any bigger. I think that's why a lot of people take gear, to get bigger.
Well put this time, but there is no need to resort to steroids, to get bigger than naturally possible. I presume you work out, and there is a part of your body that is difficult to build, in my case, it is my wrists, however many curls I do, they never grow. I have accepted that, and would never use gear to improve on that.
Body building is like painting a picture, imperfections and perfections are what makes the piece pleasant to look at.
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"Lets not kid ourselves. There is no reason why anabolic steroids need to be taken. its plain cheating, taking the easy route to getting a "fine" body. All bodies can be sculptured naturally using the right exercises, the bulging muscles, six packs do not need steroids, patience and dedication (discipline)is all that is needed. No it's not cheating and you obviously know very very little about Anabolic Steroids and it's uses. Really????
I agree that you can get a sculptured body from hard work and a good diet but like I put in my above post a lot of people platoe at a certain size and no matter how much you change your routine etc it's nigh on impossible to get any bigger. I think that's why a lot of people take gear, to get bigger.
Well put this time, but there is no need to resort to steroids, to get bigger than naturally possible. I presume you work out, and there is a part of your body that is difficult to build, in my case, it is my wrists, however many curls I do, they never grow. I have accepted that, and would never use gear to improve on that.
Body building is like painting a picture, imperfections and perfections are what makes the piece pleasant to look at.
Accept nature's "mistrokes"...
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"............. and as far as HGH goes its a wonder drug ask your doctor it slows your aging down enlightens your mood makes your skin better condition less sleep needed the list goes on ................" "Excess HGH in the body can cause acromegaly, a disease where the hands become spade-like in appearance as they get bigger. Growth of the facial bones causes the face to change shape too. The jaw becomes larger, with spaces appearing between the teeth because of this, and the eyebrows become more prominent. The tongue enlarges and the skin becomes coarse and oily. Organs like the heart, liver and kidneys will also undergo excessive growth, leading to potentially life-threatening problems - one of which is cardiomyopathy, a disease of the heart muscle. The heart loses its ability to pump blood and, in some instances, heart rhythm is disturbed, leading to irregular heartbeats There is also an increased risk of cancers due to the abnormal growth of cells." | |||
"some of the comments in this thread make me laugh im a nutritionist and i train 6 days a week my diet is perfect but i do admit to still using them there is no shame on using them each to they own i think and using them for me helps me with my work roid rage a myth simple as if your a ass off them you become a bigger ass on them if you a nice guy without them you will still be a nice guy on them and as far as HGH goes its a wonder drug ask your doctor it slows your aging down enlightens your mood makes your skin better condition less sleep needed the list goes on i plan on competing in a show in the next year or so and with the help of some PED but takinging steroids is the easy part compared with the strict diet and training regime and being totally committed to it my wife likes muscles so do loads of peeps we have played with each to they own SO lets not judge people and listen to myths like i said before each to they own " Good post from someone who admits to using them. Its the people on this thread who use them that talk the most sense. Would you listen to or take advice from someone talking about cars who couldn't even drive? Of course not. Too many people have commented on the strength of media sensationalism and hearsay. I used to take them and went for regular liver function tests. On one of my visits I asked the doctor a question about steroids, his reply was "Your the lab rat, you tell me". He said most G.P's only study anabolic steroids for around 2 weeks of their training, whereas I'd been on them for several years so must know much more than the average G.P. As Diesel says, growth hormone is the big thing now and has been for some years. Its also a big hit with the Hollywood set who see it as a wonder drug. Its like most things in life, knowledge is power and there's a difference between use and abuse. R
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"............. and as far as HGH goes its a wonder drug ask your doctor it slows your aging down enlightens your mood makes your skin better condition less sleep needed the list goes on ................ "Excess HGH in the body can cause acromegaly, a disease where the hands become spade-like in appearance as they get bigger. Growth of the facial bones causes the face to change shape too. The jaw becomes larger, with spaces appearing between the teeth because of this, and the eyebrows become more prominent. The tongue enlarges and the skin becomes coarse and oily. Organs like the heart, liver and kidneys will also undergo excessive growth, leading to potentially life-threatening problems - one of which is cardiomyopathy, a disease of the heart muscle. The heart loses its ability to pump blood and, in some instances, heart rhythm is disturbed, leading to irregular heartbeats There is also an increased risk of cancers due to the abnormal growth of cells." " thats large doses mind 1iu or 2iu a day is good for you | |||
"............. and as far as HGH goes its a wonder drug ask your doctor it slows your aging down enlightens your mood makes your skin better condition less sleep needed the list goes on ................ "Excess HGH in the body can cause acromegaly, a disease where the hands become spade-like in appearance as they get bigger. Growth of the facial bones causes the face to change shape too. The jaw becomes larger, with spaces appearing between the teeth because of this, and the eyebrows become more prominent. The tongue enlarges and the skin becomes coarse and oily. Organs like the heart, liver and kidneys will also undergo excessive growth, leading to potentially life-threatening problems - one of which is cardiomyopathy, a disease of the heart muscle. The heart loses its ability to pump blood and, in some instances, heart rhythm is disturbed, leading to irregular heartbeats There is also an increased risk of cancers due to the abnormal growth of cells." thats large doses mind 1iu or 2iu a day is good for you " Of course. Live fast, die young, leave a well cut corpse. | |||
"............. and as far as HGH goes its a wonder drug ask your doctor it slows your aging down enlightens your mood makes your skin better condition less sleep needed the list goes on ................ "Excess HGH in the body can cause acromegaly, a disease where the hands become spade-like in appearance as they get bigger. Growth of the facial bones causes the face to change shape too. The jaw becomes larger, with spaces appearing between the teeth because of this, and the eyebrows become more prominent. The tongue enlarges and the skin becomes coarse and oily. Organs like the heart, liver and kidneys will also undergo excessive growth, leading to potentially life-threatening problems - one of which is cardiomyopathy, a disease of the heart muscle. The heart loses its ability to pump blood and, in some instances, heart rhythm is disturbed, leading to irregular heartbeats There is also an increased risk of cancers due to the abnormal growth of cells." thats large doses mind 1iu or 2iu a day is good for you Of course. Live fast, die young, leave a well cut corpse." and heavy coffin lol | |||
"............. and as far as HGH goes its a wonder drug ask your doctor it slows your aging down enlightens your mood makes your skin better condition less sleep needed the list goes on ................ "Excess HGH in the body can cause acromegaly, a disease where the hands become spade-like in appearance as they get bigger. Growth of the facial bones causes the face to change shape too. The jaw becomes larger, with spaces appearing between the teeth because of this, and the eyebrows become more prominent. The tongue enlarges and the skin becomes coarse and oily. Organs like the heart, liver and kidneys will also undergo excessive growth, leading to potentially life-threatening problems - one of which is cardiomyopathy, a disease of the heart muscle. The heart loses its ability to pump blood and, in some instances, heart rhythm is disturbed, leading to irregular heartbeats There is also an increased risk of cancers due to the abnormal growth of cells." thats large doses mind 1iu or 2iu a day is good for you Of course. Live fast, die young, leave a well cut corpse. and heavy coffin lol " Most of your internal organs would have been removed on post mortem. You brain would probably be on a table somewhere in an anatomy department and the other stuff would be in an organ library for the entertainment of medical students. Researchers would anonymise the bits which are left and call you something like ABC 1234 and you might, in that name, feature in long term medical research into the adverse effects of HGH on the human body. A few weeks after interment or a few minutes after cremation, nobody would have any indication what your body had looked like in life. Quite a legacy. | |||
"Not recommended for a swingers site they make the willy shrink and shrivel up." I don't take them and never have but it's a myth about willies shrinking .. In fact the willy doesn't change size but looks alot bigger due to the fact that testosterone disappears a little and the balls shrink in size .... That's a medical fact and a personal observation too | |||
"Not recommended for a swingers site they make the willy shrink and shrivel up. I don't take them and never have but it's a myth about willies shrinking .. In fact the willy doesn't change size but looks alot bigger due to the fact that testosterone disappears a little and the balls shrink in size .... That's a medical fact and a personal observation too "When you say that 'testosterone disappears a little and the balls shrink in size' what, EXACTLY are you talking about? Testosterone disappears? Does it? Where does it go? Does the fact you can't see it means it did no harm? I think we should be told - and shown the evidence | |||
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"Well technically it doesn't dissapear you just stop producing so much Steroids don't interest me personally but know people who take them alot" Back to my question from a week ago "Anabolic or cortico?" | |||
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"The guys I know take anabolic" So are you _ub_mids_cd? | |||
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" "Excess HGH in the body can cause acromegaly, a disease where the hands become spade-like in appearance as they get bigger. Growth of the facial bones causes the face to change shape too. The jaw becomes larger, with spaces appearing between the teeth because of this, and the eyebrows become more prominent. The tongue enlarges and the skin becomes coarse and oily. Organs like the heart, liver and kidneys will also undergo excessive growth, leading to potentially life-threatening problems - one of which is cardiomyopathy, a disease of the heart muscle. The heart loses its ability to pump blood and, in some instances, heart rhythm is disturbed, leading to irregular heartbeats There is also an increased risk of cancers due to the abnormal growth of cells." " Lets keep things in context - the statement you have quoted is the result of MASSIVELY EXCESSIVE usage and not the result of normal prescribed or self prescribed dosages. | |||
"if ur gonna get fit / wanna get bigger do it naturally steds are an easy yet risky fix irregardless of type plus the results they can give look totally unnatural (and hence unattractive) " Easy fix? If you do not put the effort in regarding training and correct diet, then steroids will have no effect at all. | |||
"When you say that 'testosterone disappears a little and the balls shrink in size' what, EXACTLY are you talking about? Testosterone disappears? Does it? Where does it go? Does the fact you can't see it means it did no harm? " If you add extra testosterone in via external means above the normally produced levels, the body senses this and stops the production of its own during this period. This period of inactivity is what can cause testicular shrinkage. The bodies own testosterone doesnt dissapear, it simply stops being produced as its not needed. | |||
" A few weeks after interment or a few minutes after cremation, nobody would have any indication what your body had looked like in life. Quite a legacy." So using that logic of yours, there is no reason to ever make any effort with any aspect of a persons appearance as we will all be anonymous upon death! Of course your premise requires every person that ever knew you to have complete memory loss upon your death, no photographic evidence etc. | |||
" Good post from someone who admits to using them. Its the people on this thread who use them that talk the most sense. XX" Thats the trouble, most peoples idea of steroids comes from newspapers which generally print BS to sell copies. Despite the 'drug addict' tag, steroids are not illegal to use. Despite the 'steroids will make your heart blow up' myths, steroids cause less hospital intakes than Vitamin C. In fact, you could list pretty much every misconception in this thread and within 5 mins find facts to prove the opposite. And by facts, I do not mean anecdotal evidence to back up a "my mate says" opinion. I mean documented truths. And as for the "you know a lot, you must be a user" lines... maybe some people base their opinions on evidence, reading, education etc. But hey, if people didnt like sensationalist stories then we wouldnt have Jeremy Kyle and the Sun 'newspaper'. | |||
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" "Excess HGH in the body can cause acromegaly, a disease where the hands become spade-like in appearance as they get bigger. Growth of the facial bones causes the face to change shape too. The jaw becomes larger, with spaces appearing between the teeth because of this, and the eyebrows become more prominent. The tongue enlarges and the skin becomes coarse and oily. Organs like the heart, liver and kidneys will also undergo excessive growth, leading to potentially life-threatening problems - one of which is cardiomyopathy, a disease of the heart muscle. The heart loses its ability to pump blood and, in some instances, heart rhythm is disturbed, leading to irregular heartbeats There is also an increased risk of cancers due to the abnormal growth of cells." Lets keep things in context - the statement you have quoted is the result of MASSIVELY EXCESSIVE usage and not the result of normal prescribed or self prescribed dosages." For acromegaly to be an issue the average male athelete would in all but a very few cases need to be dosing upwards of 10iu per day. Anyone dosing 10iu (for an extended period) is one of two things, very tolerent to hgh (the joints pains would be a bitch at this dose) and very well off as you would be looking at some serious wedge. HGH is useful, risks are low but its not a wonder drug and you still have to train very hard. Apparently when taken with roids its effects are enhanced but that causes issues with the testers. | |||
"i go training 3 times a week.monday.chest.shoulders.triceps.wensday.legs.calves.friday.back.bis.and i think i got a nice body.and iam not saying i dont take roids and iam not saying i do.? i bet a lot off u drink and smoke thats a number one drug.that guy who post this about roids as fooked off y is that.have a nice day guys "Digger looking at the stirations on your quads youve had a dabble | |||
"i go training 3 times a week.monday.chest.shoulders.triceps.wensday.legs.calves.friday.back.bis.and i think i got a nice body.and iam not saying i dont take roids and iam not saying i do.? i bet a lot off u drink and smoke thats a number one drug.that guy who post this about roids as fooked off y is that.have a nice day guys "Hear hear | |||
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