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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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In a world where everyone is fighting for equality.Equal rights for men, women, gay, lesbian, transgender etc. Also equal right of pay. Which I have no objections to, what so ever.
Why are single males expected to pay more at swinger clubs. Where is the equality in that..... Using the excuse, to attract less males and more ladies and couples does not come under equal rights and should not be accepted. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In a world where everyone is fighting for equality.Equal rights for men, women, gay, lesbian, transgender etc. Also equal right of pay. Which I have no objections to, what so ever.
Why are single males expected to pay more at swinger clubs. Where is the equality in that..... Using the excuse, to attract less males and more ladies and couples does not come under equal rights and should not be accepted. "
because most women and couples would not pay what single guys do to get into clubs so if you went it would be a club full of single guys walking around, great if your gay  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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You can put a limit on numbers you let in. But different price tarrifs is a breech in equality. How about a menu. If your white you pay so much, blacks have a different rate. Christian, muslim, jews, agnostics, etc. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Because it's about supply and demand.
Having said that, I don't go to clubs, I really don't want to go somewhere I'm being used as bait to get men in, which is basically what clubs are doing in letting women in free or at a vastly reduced rate.
I'd consider somewhere with a flat, per person payment structure that doesn't elevate couples to some kind of lofty status as well. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You can put a limit on numbers you let in. But different price tarrifs is a breech in equality. How about a menu. If your white you pay so much, blacks have a different rate. Christian, muslim, jews, agnostics, etc. "
if they charged everybody the same and women and couples refused to pay £80+ for membership and £40/ £50+ a time to get in would you still want to go to a club with 40 guys in and 1 maybe couple?
Think about it, who's that benefitting?
clubs would close down |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Because it's about supply and demand.
Having said that, I don't go to clubs, I really don't want to go somewhere I'm being used as bait to get men in, which is basically what clubs are doing in letting women in free or at a vastly reduced rate.
I'd consider somewhere with a flat, per person payment structure that doesn't elevate couples to some kind of lofty status as well. "
True but you don't have to do anything once inside, they don't let you in for free providing you fuck the customers, you still choose what you do and with who you do it
Baiting more guys in just means you get more choice  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Because it's about supply and demand.
Having said that, I don't go to clubs, I really don't want to go somewhere I'm being used as bait to get men in, which is basically what clubs are doing in letting women in free or at a vastly reduced rate.
I'd consider somewhere with a flat, per person payment structure that doesn't elevate couples to some kind of lofty status as well.
True but you don't have to do anything once inside, they don't let you in for free providing you fuck the customers, you still choose what you do and with who you do it
Baiting more guys in just means you get more choice "
Yeah, of course, but you're still being used to lure in the men and I don't like that. If I'm making money for someone I want it to be me! Obviously others are ok with it, it seems to work as a pricing model it just doesn't sit right with me personally. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Because it's about supply and demand.
Having said that, I don't go to clubs, I really don't want to go somewhere I'm being used as bait to get men in, which is basically what clubs are doing in letting women in free or at a vastly reduced rate.
I'd consider somewhere with a flat, per person payment structure that doesn't elevate couples to some kind of lofty status as well. "
Very strange way of looking at things as yout putting your pictures all over fab as "bait" to attract men . Most clubs restrict the number of single males im sure if they were using woman as bait they would open the doors to as many as they could . Granted some clubs do greedy girl days where I suppose this could be said but on the whole clubs are just great places for likeminded people to go and socialise and enjoy themselves |
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By *ammyDodgaMan
over a year ago
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"Because men are willing to pay more for the prospect of sex. Dress it up anyway you like, it boils down to the same thing. "
 I'm shocked? Men are fickle? The thought of potential Ass subconsciously makes there wallets open further? Moral then find a FB to go in with then split.. Oooh shit now I'm cheap. Damn it pay the full price  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Because it's about supply and demand.
Having said that, I don't go to clubs, I really don't want to go somewhere I'm being used as bait to get men in, which is basically what clubs are doing in letting women in free or at a vastly reduced rate.
I'd consider somewhere with a flat, per person payment structure that doesn't elevate couples to some kind of lofty status as well.
Very strange way of looking at things as yout putting your pictures all over fab as "bait" to attract men . Most clubs restrict the number of single males im sure if they were using woman as bait they would open the doors to as many as they could . Granted some clubs do greedy girl days where I suppose this could be said but on the whole clubs are just great places for likeminded people to go and socialise and enjoy themselves "
Yes, I display photos to attract men to ME. Not to the site in general. If the site was using my photos as some sort of advertising and then charging men to message me then I wouldn't display photos. There's a clear and obvious difference. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Because men are willing to pay more for the prospect of sex. Dress it up anyway you like, it boils down to the same thing.
I'm shocked? Men are fickle? The thought of potential Ass subconsciously makes there wallets open further? Moral then find a FB to go in with then split.. Oooh shit now I'm cheap. Damn it pay the full price "
Like I said, the price structure is that way because men are willing to pay it
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Because it's about supply and demand.
Having said that, I don't go to clubs, I really don't want to go somewhere I'm being used as bait to get men in, which is basically what clubs are doing in letting women in free or at a vastly reduced rate. "
Interesting that you view it that way, I view it as clubs trying to get women who are normally an under-represented group to attend the club by offering them a cheaper rate. Rather than using women as "bait", well at least at the clubs we have attended. (which usually restrict single guy numbers anyway.) |
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"If I go to a hair salon I'll pay at least three times as much for a haircut than I would in a barbers. I still keep going to the salon though.
And probably 3 times as much as a man where's the equality in that
There is none. I'm quite happy knowing I'm more equal than others
Nice hair by the way "
Lol. Thanks I owe it all to my hair salon |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Because it's about supply and demand.
Having said that, I don't go to clubs, I really don't want to go somewhere I'm being used as bait to get men in, which is basically what clubs are doing in letting women in free or at a vastly reduced rate.
Interesting that you view it that way, I view it as clubs trying to get women who are normally an under-represented group to attend the club by offering them a cheaper rate. Rather than using women as "bait", well at least at the clubs we have attended. (which usually restrict single guy numbers anyway.) "
But clubs only want women to go because women are what men and couples demand. As everyone always says, if there were no women the club wouldn't be popular for long and everyone would stop going. So they need women to attend to maintain their popularity.
I don't expect club aficionados to agree with me, but it's a definite turn off for me and I'm just explaining why. I'm not there to put on a show for a gaggle of wanking men who've been charged an arm and a leg to get in. I'm not an exhibitionist so the idea repulses me. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You can put a limit on numbers you let in. But different price tarrifs is a breech in equality. How about a menu. If your white you pay so much, blacks have a different rate. Christian, muslim, jews, agnostics, etc. "
Private members clubs. Exempt from the equality legislation.
Hence the golf club in Scotland that voted against women members late last year. Pressure being put on them from golf hierarchy may change it in a new vote but no legal action can be taken.
Single guys could all get together and refuse to go to clubs...but like that's gonna happen?
It's not gonna change my friend. Suck it up or boycott them. Your choice! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Because it's about supply and demand.
Having said that, I don't go to clubs, I really don't want to go somewhere I'm being used as bait to get men in, which is basically what clubs are doing in letting women in free or at a vastly reduced rate.
Interesting that you view it that way, I view it as clubs trying to get women who are normally an under-represented group to attend the club by offering them a cheaper rate. Rather than using women as "bait", well at least at the clubs we have attended. (which usually restrict single guy numbers anyway.)
But clubs only want women to go because women are what men and couples demand. As everyone always says, if there were no women the club wouldn't be popular for long and everyone would stop going. So they need women to attend to maintain their popularity.
I don't expect club aficionados to agree with me, but it's a definite turn off for me and I'm just explaining why. I'm not there to put on a show for a gaggle of wanking men who've been charged an arm and a leg to get in. I'm not an exhibitionist so the idea repulses me. "
So go on a couples and single females only night, guys who are part of couples don't, as far as I have seen, go around as a gaggle of wankers (that tickled me lol) also no club I have been to have women ever been expected to do anything, let alone put on a show! Though I can see why you wouldn't want to go if that was what you thought a club was about.
Most clubs have private rooms, or if you don't want to play in public at all, you can always meet someone and go back to a hotel or arrange to meet another time etc. But they do serve to enable people to meet people and chat face to face. I mean don't get me wrong I'm not saying clubs are the be all and end all, we prefer private meets or private parties generally but clubs can be fun too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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it's not discrimination.
they will let men into the clubs, and some are blatant about limiting the amount of men also because there are too many men wanting to go. there are nights where men are not allowed, that's more discriminatory but legal, just they never always say men can't go.
it's business practice. making profit, or at least cutting even.
i would actually expect a good night in a club that limited men or charged them more. i'd expect the club to keep all members/guests behaviour in check on that night, that goes for males, females, and couples. because it would imply to me that they are trying to create a good atmosphere that works for all who are going.
if they didn't keep a check on the females and couples behaviour as well as limit men then i would question why they are limiting men and consider them a badly run business to avoid.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Because it's about supply and demand.
Having said that, I don't go to clubs, I really don't want to go somewhere I'm being used as bait to get men in, which is basically what clubs are doing in letting women in free or at a vastly reduced rate.
Interesting that you view it that way, I view it as clubs trying to get women who are normally an under-represented group to attend the club by offering them a cheaper rate. Rather than using women as "bait", well at least at the clubs we have attended. (which usually restrict single guy numbers anyway.)
But clubs only want women to go because women are what men and couples demand. As everyone always says, if there were no women the club wouldn't be popular for long and everyone would stop going. So they need women to attend to maintain their popularity.
I don't expect club aficionados to agree with me, but it's a definite turn off for me and I'm just explaining why. I'm not there to put on a show for a gaggle of wanking men who've been charged an arm and a leg to get in. I'm not an exhibitionist so the idea repulses me. "
Pmsl you have a very strange perception of clubs I've never seen a gaggle of single men wanking in any club I've been in . Is putting pictures all over fab not a form of exhibitionism? I suppose that's different as well as you can't physically see the "gaggle" of single men wanking over you  to put it bluntly fab makes money otherwise it wouldn't be here and do you think there would be single guys on here without pictures of naked or half naked woman like your self ? See it how you want but to me it's exactly the same |
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago
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"In a world where everyone is fighting for equality.Equal rights for men, women, gay, lesbian, transgender etc. Also equal right of pay. Which I have no objections to, what so ever.
Why are single males expected to pay more at swinger clubs. Where is the equality in that..... Using the excuse, to attract less males and more ladies and couples does not come under equal rights and should not be accepted. "
To try & keep out the sort of knob that will go to a club, not interact with anyone socially, shuffle about between playrooms hoping for some beauty to give him the join us look, which he probably won't get to then go home come on here to complain that clubs are shit & no one swings.
Will that do?
S |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In a world where everyone is fighting for equality.Equal rights for men, women, gay, lesbian, transgender etc. Also equal right of pay. Which I have no objections to, what so ever.
Why are single males expected to pay more at swinger clubs. Where is the equality in that..... Using the excuse, to attract less males and more ladies and couples does not come under equal rights and should not be accepted.
To try & keep out the sort of knob that will go to a club, not interact with anyone socially, shuffle about between playrooms hoping for some beauty to give him the join us look, which he probably won't get to then go home come on here to complain that clubs are shit & no one swings.
Will that do?
S"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Because it's about supply and demand.
Having said that, I don't go to clubs, I really don't want to go somewhere I'm being used as bait to get men in, which is basically what clubs are doing in letting women in free or at a vastly reduced rate.
Interesting that you view it that way, I view it as clubs trying to get women who are normally an under-represented group to attend the club by offering them a cheaper rate. Rather than using women as "bait", well at least at the clubs we have attended. (which usually restrict single guy numbers anyway.)
But clubs only want women to go because women are what men and couples demand. As everyone always says, if there were no women the club wouldn't be popular for long and everyone would stop going. So they need women to attend to maintain their popularity.
I don't expect club aficionados to agree with me, but it's a definite turn off for me and I'm just explaining why. I'm not there to put on a show for a gaggle of wanking men who've been charged an arm and a leg to get in. I'm not an exhibitionist so the idea repulses me.
Pmsl you have a very strange perception of clubs I've never seen a gaggle of single men wanking in any club I've been in "
Try going to Eureka!! It happens in many clubs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Because it's about supply and demand.
Having said that, I don't go to clubs, I really don't want to go somewhere I'm being used as bait to get men in, which is basically what clubs are doing in letting women in free or at a vastly reduced rate.
Interesting that you view it that way, I view it as clubs trying to get women who are normally an under-represented group to attend the club by offering them a cheaper rate. Rather than using women as "bait", well at least at the clubs we have attended. (which usually restrict single guy numbers anyway.)
But clubs only want women to go because women are what men and couples demand. As everyone always says, if there were no women the club wouldn't be popular for long and everyone would stop going. So they need women to attend to maintain their popularity.
I don't expect club aficionados to agree with me, but it's a definite turn off for me and I'm just explaining why. I'm not there to put on a show for a gaggle of wanking men who've been charged an arm and a leg to get in. I'm not an exhibitionist so the idea repulses me.
Pmsl you have a very strange perception of clubs I've never seen a gaggle of single men wanking in any club I've been in
Try going to Eureka!! It happens in many clubs."
One to avoid then |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In a world where everyone is fighting for equality.Equal rights for men, women, gay, lesbian, transgender etc. Also equal right of pay. Which I have no objections to, what so ever.
Why are single males expected to pay more at swinger clubs. Where is the equality in that..... Using the excuse, to attract less males and more ladies and couples does not come under equal rights and should not be accepted. "
I agree.
The fetish scene charges equal amounts generally to men and women (no discounts usually for couples) and there is noticeably less entitlement from the men and couples because of it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You can put a limit on numbers you let in. But different price tarrifs is a breech in equality. How about a menu. If your white you pay so much, blacks have a different rate. Christian, muslim, jews, agnostics, etc. "
Private members clubs do not have to abide by the laws for equal pricing for genders. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Because it's about supply and demand.
Having said that, I don't go to clubs, I really don't want to go somewhere I'm being used as bait to get men in, which is basically what clubs are doing in letting women in free or at a vastly reduced rate.
Interesting that you view it that way, I view it as clubs trying to get women who are normally an under-represented group to attend the club by offering them a cheaper rate. Rather than using women as "bait", well at least at the clubs we have attended. (which usually restrict single guy numbers anyway.)
But clubs only want women to go because women are what men and couples demand. As everyone always says, if there were no women the club wouldn't be popular for long and everyone would stop going. So they need women to attend to maintain their popularity.
I don't expect club aficionados to agree with me, but it's a definite turn off for me and I'm just explaining why. I'm not there to put on a show for a gaggle of wanking men who've been charged an arm and a leg to get in. I'm not an exhibitionist so the idea repulses me.
So go on a couples and single females only night, guys who are part of couples don't, as far as I have seen, go around as a gaggle of wankers (that tickled me lol) also no club I have been to have women ever been expected to do anything, let alone put on a show! Though I can see why you wouldn't want to go if that was what you thought a club was about.
Most clubs have private rooms, or if you don't want to play in public at all, you can always meet someone and go back to a hotel or arrange to meet another time etc. But they do serve to enable people to meet people and chat face to face. I mean don't get me wrong I'm not saying clubs are the be all and end all, we prefer private meets or private parties generally but clubs can be fun too. "
I'm straight, so a single women and couples only night would be literally pointless for me. I meet the way I want to meet and do just fine, just wanted to add my opinion into the mix because I know it's different to what the majority of women will think. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Because it's about supply and demand.
Having said that, I don't go to clubs, I really don't want to go somewhere I'm being used as bait to get men in, which is basically what clubs are doing in letting women in free or at a vastly reduced rate.
Interesting that you view it that way, I view it as clubs trying to get women who are normally an under-represented group to attend the club by offering them a cheaper rate. Rather than using women as "bait", well at least at the clubs we have attended. (which usually restrict single guy numbers anyway.)
But clubs only want women to go because women are what men and couples demand. As everyone always says, if there were no women the club wouldn't be popular for long and everyone would stop going. So they need women to attend to maintain their popularity.
I don't expect club aficionados to agree with me, but it's a definite turn off for me and I'm just explaining why. I'm not there to put on a show for a gaggle of wanking men who've been charged an arm and a leg to get in. I'm not an exhibitionist so the idea repulses me.
Pmsl you have a very strange perception of clubs I've never seen a gaggle of single men wanking in any club I've been in . Is putting pictures all over fab not a form of exhibitionism? I suppose that's different as well as you can't physically see the "gaggle" of single men wanking over you to put it bluntly fab makes money otherwise it wouldn't be here and do you think there would be single guys on here without pictures of naked or half naked woman like your self ? See it how you want but to me it's exactly the same "
It's entirely different, but perhaps the difference is a bit subtle for you. If all the men wanted was to see half naked women they can use the millions of porn sites available for that. They are here because they want the opportunity to meet. I also want to meet people, and I use photos on my profile to draw attention to it, which is a successful tactic for me. So I am the one benefiting.
My perception of clubs has been built up over a couple of years of reading posts on here and other people describing their experiences to me. Quite frankly, I don't think it's that strange. |
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"In a world where everyone is fighting for equality.Equal rights for men, women, gay, lesbian, transgender etc. Also equal right of pay. Which I have no objections to, what so ever.
Why are single males expected to pay more at swinger clubs. Where is the equality in that..... Using the excuse, to attract less males and more ladies and couples does not come under equal rights and should not be accepted. "
You are preaching to the choir here mate but it will never happen because of the hierarchy in swinging, supply an demand etc. Just have to accept it the way it is. It is your choice whether you pay or not. |
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"Because it's about supply and demand.
Having said that, I don't go to clubs, I really don't want to go somewhere I'm being used as bait to get men in, which is basically what clubs are doing in letting women in free or at a vastly reduced rate.
Interesting that you view it that way, I view it as clubs trying to get women who are normally an under-represented group to attend the club by offering them a cheaper rate. Rather than using women as "bait", well at least at the clubs we have attended. (which usually restrict single guy numbers anyway.)
But clubs only want women to go because women are what men and couples demand. As everyone always says, if there were no women the club wouldn't be popular for long and everyone would stop going. So they need women to attend to maintain their popularity.
I don't expect club aficionados to agree with me, but it's a definite turn off for me and I'm just explaining why. I'm not there to put on a show for a gaggle of wanking men who've been charged an arm and a leg to get in. I'm not an exhibitionist so the idea repulses me. "
We'd disagree with that. It's way too broad a generalisation. True there are a lot of couples here who fetishize and expect their single women to be Bi. And have come across some who 'demand' it. But our experience this far at clubs is that most couples go to play with other couples that they already know, and single men might get lucky too.
Certainly the ones we've been to single wome haven't been used as "bait", particularly as the amount of single women who attend clubs (on their own anyway) is quite low compared to other groups. It would be a waste of time to think of them that way.
No one has to put on a display either. There are usually private areas with no viewing.
We'd suggest it's the female halves of couples that are the big draw for men, and the possibility of being invited to play in a 3sum scenario. If they get a single woman in on her own then it's a bonus rather than the main event. So the price is low to get them through the door.
Some men will pay any amount for the prospect of seeing some boobs, they are just that easy to manipulate and clubs exploit it.
Yes it's inequality but it's a private club and the rules are different. You could take a swinger club to court for that OP if you fancy? Might be a fun test case!  |
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Is this just searching for a problem? Near you, here are the prices:
Gatehouse, Saturday afternoon, couples £10, Men £10
Cupids Saturday, couples £25, Men £30
Infusions Saturday night, couples £25, men £25.
So sometimes there might be a £5 difference. I don't think it's the end of the world. Don't sweat the small stuff, as they say.
Have fun x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Because it's about supply and demand.
Having said that, I don't go to clubs, I really don't want to go somewhere I'm being used as bait to get men in, which is basically what clubs are doing in letting women in free or at a vastly reduced rate.
Interesting that you view it that way, I view it as clubs trying to get women who are normally an under-represented group to attend the club by offering them a cheaper rate. Rather than using women as "bait", well at least at the clubs we have attended. (which usually restrict single guy numbers anyway.)
But clubs only want women to go because women are what men and couples demand. As everyone always says, if there were no women the club wouldn't be popular for long and everyone would stop going. So they need women to attend to maintain their popularity.
I don't expect club aficionados to agree with me, but it's a definite turn off for me and I'm just explaining why. I'm not there to put on a show for a gaggle of wanking men who've been charged an arm and a leg to get in. I'm not an exhibitionist so the idea repulses me.
We'd disagree with that. It's way too broad a generalisation. True there are a lot of couples here who fetishize and expect their single women to be Bi. And have come across some who 'demand' it. But our experience this far at clubs is that most couples go to play with other couples that they already know, and single men might get lucky too.
Certainly the ones we've been to single wome haven't been used as "bait", particularly as the amount of single women who attend clubs (on their own anyway) is quite low compared to other groups. It would be a waste of time to think of them that way.
No one has to put on a display either. There are usually private areas with no viewing.
We'd suggest it's the female halves of couples that are the big draw for men, and the possibility of being invited to play in a 3sum scenario. If they get a single woman in on her own then it's a bonus rather than the main event. So the price is low to get them through the door.
Some men will pay any amount for the prospect of seeing some boobs, they are just that easy to manipulate and clubs exploit it.
Yes it's inequality but it's a private club and the rules are different. You could take a swinger club to court for that OP if you fancy? Might be a fun test case! "
I'm really not that bothered, it's just one of the things that puts me off, for the reasons I've described. But I'm not exactly a club's ideal customer so I'm sure they won't care that they're discouraging fussy straight women who aren't exhibitionists and don't particularly want to socialise. |
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"Is this just searching for a problem? Near you, here are the prices:
Gatehouse, Saturday afternoon, couples £10, Men £10
Cupids Saturday, couples £25, Men £30
Infusions Saturday night, couples £25, men £25.
So sometimes there might be a £5 difference. I don't think it's the end of the world. Don't sweat the small stuff, as they say.
Have fun x"
Considering there's two people in a couple, that does equate to a large difference. |
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"Is this just searching for a problem? Near you, here are the prices:
Gatehouse, Saturday afternoon, couples £10, Men £10
Cupids Saturday, couples £25, Men £30
Infusions Saturday night, couples £25, men £25.
So sometimes there might be a £5 difference. I don't think it's the end of the world. Don't sweat the small stuff, as they say.
Have fun x
Considering there's two people in a couple, that does equate to a large difference. "
OK, fair enough. But is it a big deal for a single guy to spend £25 to go in a club, where that might be his entire costs for the night, club providing all the facilities , towels , lockers, jacuzzi etc? |
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"Is this just searching for a problem? Near you, here are the prices:
Gatehouse, Saturday afternoon, couples £10, Men £10
Cupids Saturday, couples £25, Men £30
Infusions Saturday night, couples £25, men £25.
So sometimes there might be a £5 difference. I don't think it's the end of the world. Don't sweat the small stuff, as they say.
Have fun x
Considering there's two people in a couple, that does equate to a large difference.
OK, fair enough. But is it a big deal for a single guy to spend £25 to go in a club, where that might be his entire costs for the night, club providing all the facilities , towels , lockers, jacuzzi etc?"
No, I don't think it is, which is why I don't think it's a big deal for a woman to spend £25 for the same or a couple to spend £25 each either. |
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"Is this just searching for a problem? Near you, here are the prices:
Gatehouse, Saturday afternoon, couples £10, Men £10
Cupids Saturday, couples £25, Men £30
Infusions Saturday night, couples £25, men £25.
So sometimes there might be a £5 difference. I don't think it's the end of the world. Don't sweat the small stuff, as they say.
Have fun x"
It's not though. The couple price isn't £X per person, it's £X per TWO people. So the single men are twice as expensive, plus a bit extra. |
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"Is this just searching for a problem? Near you, here are the prices:
Gatehouse, Saturday afternoon, couples £10, Men £10
Cupids Saturday, couples £25, Men £30
Infusions Saturday night, couples £25, men £25.
So sometimes there might be a £5 difference. I don't think it's the end of the world. Don't sweat the small stuff, as they say.
Have fun x
Considering there's two people in a couple, that does equate to a large difference.
OK, fair enough. But is it a big deal for a single guy to spend £25 to go in a club, where that might be his entire costs for the night, club providing all the facilities , towels , lockers, jacuzzi etc?
No, I don't think it is, which is why I don't think it's a big deal for a woman to spend £25 for the same or a couple to spend £25 each either."
So £25 is ok for a single guy, you just want couples and single ladies to pay more?
You can always leave extra in the tip box |
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"Is this just searching for a problem? Near you, here are the prices:
Gatehouse, Saturday afternoon, couples £10, Men £10
Cupids Saturday, couples £25, Men £30
Infusions Saturday night, couples £25, men £25.
So sometimes there might be a £5 difference. I don't think it's the end of the world. Don't sweat the small stuff, as they say.
Have fun x
Considering there's two people in a couple, that does equate to a large difference.
OK, fair enough. But is it a big deal for a single guy to spend £25 to go in a club, where that might be his entire costs for the night, club providing all the facilities , towels , lockers, jacuzzi etc?
No, I don't think it is, which is why I don't think it's a big deal for a woman to spend £25 for the same or a couple to spend £25 each either.
So £25 is ok for a single guy, you just want couples and single ladies to pay more?
You can always leave extra in the tip box "
The nominal amount really doesn't matter I just think an equal structure would suit me better and lead to less of a feeling of entitlement. |
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I suppose it is discriminatory. However, if everybody was charged the same, then you would have the problem of too many single men. Getting the ratios right are very important at a swing club. So the way round the problem of too many men attending because entry is more affordable, is to say no to some of these men. So how do you decide who obtains entry and who doesn't - that is arguably discriminatory too. I guess you could sell tickets on a first come first serve basis and when they're gone they're gone. But some guys might prefer to pay a high price for a ticket in order to guarantee entry.
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"Is this just searching for a problem? Near you, here are the prices:
Gatehouse, Saturday afternoon, couples £10, Men £10
Cupids Saturday, couples £25, Men £30
Infusions Saturday night, couples £25, men £25.
So sometimes there might be a £5 difference. I don't think it's the end of the world. Don't sweat the small stuff, as they say.
Have fun x
Considering there's two people in a couple, that does equate to a large difference.
OK, fair enough. But is it a big deal for a single guy to spend £25 to go in a club, where that might be his entire costs for the night, club providing all the facilities , towels , lockers, jacuzzi etc?
No, I don't think it is, which is why I don't think it's a big deal for a woman to spend £25 for the same or a couple to spend £25 each either.
So £25 is ok for a single guy, you just want couples and single ladies to pay more?
You can always leave extra in the tip box
The nominal amount really doesn't matter I just think an equal structure would suit me better and lead to less of a feeling of entitlement. "
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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago
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I maybe wrong (seeing as I got the info from a red party) but the swingers fortnightly event in Swindon is a flat rate (I think £15.00) - they have a limit of @80 people and have to turn people away. I've also read great reviews about it. So, it can be done. |
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago
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Added to the above with some clubs single males have to be members costing up to £100 annually,single fems & couples do not. It was an issue for some in Manchester that couldn't tie up with females for clubbing in the evening. I think if you were a single guy you would have had to cough up £85, females £10-15 & couples £25 from memory.
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"I suppose it is discriminatory. However, if everybody was charged the same, then you would have the problem of too many single men. Getting the ratios right are very important at a swing club. So the way round the problem of too many men attending because entry is more affordable, is to say no to some of these men. So how do you decide who obtains entry and who doesn't - that is arguably discriminatory too. I guess you could sell tickets on a first come first serve basis and when they're gone they're gone. But some guys might prefer to pay a high price for a ticket in order to guarantee entry.
Mrs"
There are ways around it.
Buying tickets in advance would be one way to limit people to the numbers that you want. I don't think, for example, that £20 or so a person would be unreasonable for a good club night out. I paid that last time I went to a nightclub, and you can't have sex in a nightclub. Well you can, but you're not really meant to.
I would actually suggest that you sell by the gender. Twenty womens tickets and twenty men's tickets, for example, with no 'couples' options (a couple would just buy the tickets that they fit, so two mens tickets, two womens tickets, or a male and female ticket). |
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"I suppose it is discriminatory. However, if everybody was charged the same, then you would have the problem of too many single men. Getting the ratios right are very important at a swing club. So the way round the problem of too many men attending because entry is more affordable, is to say no to some of these men. So how do you decide who obtains entry and who doesn't - that is arguably discriminatory too. I guess you could sell tickets on a first come first serve basis and when they're gone they're gone. But some guys might prefer to pay a high price for a ticket in order to guarantee entry.
Mrs
There are ways around it.
Buying tickets in advance would be one way to limit people to the numbers that you want. I don't think, for example, that £20 or so a person would be unreasonable for a good club night out. I paid that last time I went to a nightclub, and you can't have sex in a nightclub. Well you can, but you're not really meant to.
I would actually suggest that you sell by the gender. Twenty womens tickets and twenty men's tickets, for example, with no 'couples' options (a couple would just buy the tickets that they fit, so two mens tickets, two womens tickets, or a male and female ticket)."
But then the club wouldn't function properly the hierarchy would not be happy as they don't consider singles swinging as proper swinging. |
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I would actually suggest that you sell by the gender. Twenty womens tickets and twenty men's tickets, for example, with no 'couples' options (a couple would just buy the tickets that they fit, so two mens tickets, two womens tickets, or a male and female ticket)."
That is an option, but wouldn't work in terms of having couples only nights. |
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago
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"I suppose it is discriminatory. However, if everybody was charged the same, then you would have the problem of too many single men. Getting the ratios right are very important at a swing club. So the way round the problem of too many men attending because entry is more affordable, is to say no to some of these men. So how do you decide who obtains entry and who doesn't - that is arguably discriminatory too. I guess you could sell tickets on a first come first serve basis and when they're gone they're gone. But some guys might prefer to pay a high price for a ticket in order to guarantee entry.
Mrs"
Maybe, most clubs know what a good ratio is though, so they just limit numbers.
In our albeit limited experience of clubs we've only had one instance where we thought there were too many..
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"Is this just searching for a problem? Near you, here are the prices:
Gatehouse, Saturday afternoon, couples £10, Men £10
Cupids Saturday, couples £25, Men £30
Infusions Saturday night, couples £25, men £25.
So sometimes there might be a £5 difference. I don't think it's the end of the world. Don't sweat the small stuff, as they say.
Have fun x
Considering there's two people in a couple, that does equate to a large difference.
OK, fair enough. But is it a big deal for a single guy to spend £25 to go in a club, where that might be his entire costs for the night, club providing all the facilities , towels , lockers, jacuzzi etc?
No, I don't think it is, which is why I don't think it's a big deal for a woman to spend £25 for the same or a couple to spend £25 each either.
So £25 is ok for a single guy, you just want couples and single ladies to pay more?
You can always leave extra in the tip box
The nominal amount really doesn't matter I just think an equal structure would suit me better and lead to less of a feeling of entitlement.
Ruby, I'm surprised you don't go to clubs. You might meet that man you're dying to have a relationship with there "
I do reek of desperate singleton after all |
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I would actually suggest that you sell by the gender. Twenty womens tickets and twenty men's tickets, for example, with no 'couples' options (a couple would just buy the tickets that they fit, so two mens tickets, two womens tickets, or a male and female ticket).
That is an option, but wouldn't work in terms of having couples only nights."
On couples only nights you just offer couples only tickets. You buy one ticket for two people. You wouldn't need to sell singles tickets. |
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" But then the club wouldn't function properly the hierarchy would not be happy as they don't consider singles swinging as proper swinging. "
It's not about a 'hierarchy' or 'proper swinging', the clubs have to offer nights that are aimed at a certain clientele, whether that be couples only, mixed nights, greedy girl night, all girl night, whatever it might be. |
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"In a world where everyone is fighting for equality.Equal rights for men, women, gay, lesbian, transgender etc. Also equal right of pay. Which I have no objections to, what so ever.
Why are single males expected to pay more at swinger clubs. Where is the equality in that..... Using the excuse, to attract less males and more ladies and couples does not come under equal rights and should not be accepted. "
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"Because it's about supply and demand.
Having said that, I don't go to clubs, I really don't want to go somewhere I'm being used as bait to get men in, which is basically what clubs are doing in letting women in free or at a vastly reduced rate.
Interesting that you view it that way, I view it as clubs trying to get women who are normally an under-represented group to attend the club by offering them a cheaper rate. Rather than using women as "bait", well at least at the clubs we have attended. (which usually restrict single guy numbers anyway.)
But clubs only want women to go because women are what men and couples demand. As everyone always says, if there were no women the club wouldn't be popular for long and everyone would stop going. So they need women to attend to maintain their popularity.
I don't expect club aficionados to agree with me, but it's a definite turn off for me and I'm just explaining why. I'm not there to put on a show for a gaggle of wanking men who've been charged an arm and a leg to get in. I'm not an exhibitionist so the idea repulses me.
Pmsl you have a very strange perception of clubs I've never seen a gaggle of single men wanking in any club I've been in . Is putting pictures all over fab not a form of exhibitionism? I suppose that's different as well as you can't physically see the "gaggle" of single men wanking over you to put it bluntly fab makes money otherwise it wouldn't be here and do you think there would be single guys on here without pictures of naked or half naked woman like your self ? See it how you want but to me it's exactly the same
It's entirely different, but perhaps the difference is a bit subtle for you. If all the men wanted was to see half naked women they can use the millions of porn sites available for that. They are here because they want the opportunity to meet. I also want to meet people, and I use photos on my profile to draw attention to it, which is a successful tactic for me. So I am the one benefiting.
My perception of clubs has been built up over a couple of years of reading posts on here and other people describing their experiences to me. Quite frankly, I don't think it's that strange. "
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I would actually suggest that you sell by the gender. Twenty womens tickets and twenty men's tickets, for example, with no 'couples' options (a couple would just buy the tickets that they fit, so two mens tickets, two womens tickets, or a male and female ticket).
That is an option, but wouldn't work in terms of having couples only nights.
On couples only nights you just offer couples only tickets. You buy one ticket for two people. You wouldn't need to sell singles tickets."
Possibly, but also most people aren't going to pre-buy tickets.
The other side to all this is, is it actually solving anything? The clubs have plenty of couples, single fems and single male customers, so what is being solved??
There was a comment on entitlement, which is very important and the main thing I would consider needs thinking about. But whether that's price related, I don't know. |
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"I suppose it is discriminatory. However, if everybody was charged the same, then you would have the problem of too many single men. Getting the ratios right are very important at a swing club. So the way round the problem of too many men attending because entry is more affordable, is to say no to some of these men. So how do you decide who obtains entry and who doesn't - that is arguably discriminatory too. I guess you could sell tickets on a first come first serve basis and when they're gone they're gone. But some guys might prefer to pay a high price for a ticket in order to guarantee entry.
Mrs
There are ways around it.
Buying tickets in advance would be one way to limit people to the numbers that you want. I don't think, for example, that £20 or so a person would be unreasonable for a good club night out. I paid that last time I went to a nightclub, and you can't have sex in a nightclub. Well you can, but you're not really meant to.
I would actually suggest that you sell by the gender. Twenty womens tickets and twenty men's tickets, for example, with no 'couples' options (a couple would just buy the tickets that they fit, so two mens tickets, two womens tickets, or a male and female ticket). But then the club wouldn't function properly the hierarchy would not be happy as they don't consider singles swinging as proper swinging. "
We don't have a problem with buying a male and female ticket for ourselves. But we would have a problem is the male tickets had sold out and therefore my husband didn't get a ticket, but I did. Because let's face it, the single guys tickets, if equality is adhered to, will sell out faster that female tickets. |
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"Because it's about supply and demand.
Having said that, I don't go to clubs, I really don't want to go somewhere I'm being used as bait to get men in, which is basically what clubs are doing in letting women in free or at a vastly reduced rate.
Interesting that you view it that way, I view it as clubs trying to get women who are normally an under-represented group to attend the club by offering them a cheaper rate. Rather than using women as "bait", well at least at the clubs we have attended. (which usually restrict single guy numbers anyway.)
But clubs only want women to go because women are what men and couples demand. As everyone always says, if there were no women the club wouldn't be popular for long and everyone would stop going. So they need women to attend to maintain their popularity.
I don't expect club aficionados to agree with me, but it's a definite turn off for me and I'm just explaining why. I'm not there to put on a show for a gaggle of wanking men who've been charged an arm and a leg to get in. I'm not an exhibitionist so the idea repulses me.
Pmsl you have a very strange perception of clubs I've never seen a gaggle of single men wanking in any club I've been in . Is putting pictures all over fab not a form of exhibitionism? I suppose that's different as well as you can't physically see the "gaggle" of single men wanking over you to put it bluntly fab makes money otherwise it wouldn't be here and do you think there would be single guys on here without pictures of naked or half naked woman like your self ? See it how you want but to me it's exactly the same
It's entirely different, but perhaps the difference is a bit subtle for you. If all the men wanted was to see half naked women they can use the millions of porn sites available for that. They are here because they want the opportunity to meet. I also want to meet people, and I use photos on my profile to draw attention to it, which is a successful tactic for me. So I am the one benefiting.
My perception of clubs has been built up over a couple of years of reading posts on here and other people describing their experiences to me. Quite frankly, I don't think it's that strange.
Well maybe you should try them rather than listen to other people "
No, I think I'm clearly not the demographic they want so I won't bother. |
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" But then the club wouldn't function properly the hierarchy would not be happy as they don't consider singles swinging as proper swinging.
It's not about a 'hierarchy' or 'proper swinging', the clubs have to offer nights that are aimed at a certain clientele, whether that be couples only, mixed nights, greedy girl night, all girl night, whatever it might be."
yes I fully understand that it is the just the reason why there will never be equality in swinging for single men. For clubs to function properly you need couples going because it isn't really swinging without them. The majority of couples look for other couples or single ladies like yourselves. So it best to cater for them. |
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"In a world where everyone is fighting for equality.Equal rights for men, women, gay, lesbian, transgender etc. Also equal right of pay. Which I have no objections to, what so ever.
Why are single males expected to pay more at swinger clubs. Where is the equality in that..... Using the excuse, to attract less males and more ladies and couples does not come under equal rights and should not be accepted.
Protest by not going to clubs OP. That will show them!! "
I did this in protest at rail pricing Single Vs Return. I bought a Return ticket and didn't come back. That'll teach 'em, Up the revolution! |
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" But then the club wouldn't function properly the hierarchy would not be happy as they don't consider singles swinging as proper swinging.
It's not about a 'hierarchy' or 'proper swinging', the clubs have to offer nights that are aimed at a certain clientele, whether that be couples only, mixed nights, greedy girl night, all girl night, whatever it might be. yes I fully understand that it is the just the reason why there will never be equality in swinging for single men. For clubs to function properly you need couples going because it isn't really swinging without them. The majority of couples look for other couples or single ladies like yourselves. So it best to cater for them."
And it's part of 'life' . Couples have a lot to go through between themselves to decide to swing, hence only a small % of the population do it. Single ladies have their own reasons to do it. In terms of single men, if you asked 100 truly single guys in a pub, do you want to go in a club, where random people want sex, the vast majority would do it there and then.
All these add up to 'inequality' and the corresponding pricing. |
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Maybe it's not possible for equality and fairness to take place in a situation where the right ratios are vital, but obtaining those ratios doesn't happen naturally. |
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By *ndigo40Woman
over a year ago
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"In a world where everyone is fighting for equality.Equal rights for men, women, gay, lesbian, transgender etc. Also equal right of pay. Which I have no objections to, what so ever.
Why are single males expected to pay more at swinger clubs. Where is the equality in that..... Using the excuse, to attract less males and more ladies and couples does not come under equal rights and should not be accepted.
Protest by not going to clubs OP. That will show them!!
I did this in protest at rail pricing Single Vs Return. I bought a Return ticket and didn't come back. That'll teach 'em, Up the revolution!"
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"Because it's about supply and demand.
Having said that, I don't go to clubs, I really don't want to go somewhere I'm being used as bait to get men in, which is basically what clubs are doing in letting women in free or at a vastly reduced rate.
I'd consider somewhere with a flat, per person payment structure that doesn't elevate couples to some kind of lofty status as well. "
Yes but its your choice to be used or not used. I go for the social side and rarely play unless with a friend. So your choice at the end of the day |
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" But then the club wouldn't function properly the hierarchy would not be happy as they don't consider singles swinging as proper swinging.
It's not about a 'hierarchy' or 'proper swinging', the clubs have to offer nights that are aimed at a certain clientele, whether that be couples only, mixed nights, greedy girl night, all girl night, whatever it might be. yes I fully understand that it is the just the reason why there will never be equality in swinging for single men. For clubs to function properly you need couples going because it isn't really swinging without them. The majority of couples look for other couples or single ladies like yourselves. So it best to cater for them.
And it's part of 'life' . Couples have a lot to go through between themselves to decide to swing, hence only a small % of the population do it. Single ladies have their own reasons to do it. In terms of single men, if you asked 100 truly single guys in a pub, do you want to go in a club, where random people want sex, the vast majority would do it there and then.
All these add up to 'inequality' and the corresponding pricing."
Yes there is factors to take into account and I'm not arguing for equality either as you can see just saying why there never will be. I personally like clubs with limited single males. As a single male you want to 1 of only a few in a club full of couples and single ladies to increase your chances. |
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"Because it's about supply and demand.
Having said that, I don't go to clubs, I really don't want to go somewhere I'm being used as bait to get men in, which is basically what clubs are doing in letting women in free or at a vastly reduced rate.
I'd consider somewhere with a flat, per person payment structure that doesn't elevate couples to some kind of lofty status as well.
Yes but its your choice to be used or not used. I go for the social side and rarely play unless with a friend. So your choice at the end of the day "
Yeah it is my choice, hence I don't go. I wouldn't want to go for the social side, I'd want to go to have sex, but with men who'd been admitted on equal terms to myself and didn't feel entitled to me because their entrance fee has subsidised mine. |
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"Because it's about supply and demand.
Having said that, I don't go to clubs, I really don't want to go somewhere I'm being used as bait to get men in, which is basically what clubs are doing in letting women in free or at a vastly reduced rate.
I'd consider somewhere with a flat, per person payment structure that doesn't elevate couples to some kind of lofty status as well.
Yes but its your choice to be used or not used. I go for the social side and rarely play unless with a friend. So your choice at the end of the day
Yeah it is my choice, hence I don't go. I wouldn't want to go for the social side, I'd want to go to have sex, but with men who'd been admitted on equal terms to myself and didn't feel entitled to me because their entrance fee has subsidised mine. "
I think this might be over-thought. Whenever we've seen single guys in clubs 99% have been nice, genuine guys without any of the negative stereotypes that are thrown at them because of the actions of a minority of them.
I've no axe to grind because as a rule we don't play with single guys, but think it's worth giving them credit where due. |
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"Because it's about supply and demand.
Having said that, I don't go to clubs, I really don't want to go somewhere I'm being used as bait to get men in, which is basically what clubs are doing in letting women in free or at a vastly reduced rate.
I'd consider somewhere with a flat, per person payment structure that doesn't elevate couples to some kind of lofty status as well.
Yes but its your choice to be used or not used. I go for the social side and rarely play unless with a friend. So your choice at the end of the day
Yeah it is my choice, hence I don't go. I wouldn't want to go for the social side, I'd want to go to have sex, but with men who'd been admitted on equal terms to myself and didn't feel entitled to me because their entrance fee has subsidised mine.
I think this might be over-thought. Whenever we've seen single guys in clubs 99% have been nice, genuine guys without any of the negative stereotypes that are thrown at them because of the actions of a minority of them.
I've no axe to grind because as a rule we don't play with single guys, but think it's worth giving them credit where due."
Quite possibly, I do tend to overthink things. But once I've got something in my head then it's going to put me off and stop me feeling comfortable there. Besides, I can meet nice genuine guys outside of clubs where neither of us have to pay and I get complete control of who I'm interacting with, so my sex life has no need for clubs |
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I think this might be over-thought. Whenever we've seen single guys in clubs 99% have been nice, genuine guys without any of the negative stereotypes that are thrown at them because of the actions of a minority of them.
I've no axe to grind because as a rule we don't play with single guys, but think it's worth giving them credit where due.
Quite possibly, I do tend to overthink things. But once I've got something in my head then it's going to put me off and stop me feeling comfortable there. Besides, I can meet nice genuine guys outside of clubs where neither of us have to pay and I get complete control of who I'm interacting with, so my sex life has no need for clubs "
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I would actually suggest that you sell by the gender. Twenty womens tickets and twenty men's tickets, for example, with no 'couples' options (a couple would just buy the tickets that they fit, so two mens tickets, two womens tickets, or a male and female ticket).
That is an option, but wouldn't work in terms of having couples only nights.
On couples only nights you just offer couples only tickets. You buy one ticket for two people. You wouldn't need to sell singles tickets.
Possibly, but also most people aren't going to pre-buy tickets.
The other side to all this is, is it actually solving anything? The clubs have plenty of couples, single fems and single male customers, so what is being solved??
There was a comment on entitlement, which is very important and the main thing I would consider needs thinking about. But whether that's price related, I don't know."
I was the one who commented on entitlement, and it's my view that entitlement is, at least in part, linked to price. If all people paid the same there would be less entitlement. At the moment clubs are 'reassuringly expensive' for single men. Lots of them think it's a guaranteed fuck and be quite rude if you say no. |
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" personally like clubs with limited single males. As a single male you want to 1 of only a few in a club full of couples and single ladies to increase your chances."
I like clubs with as much choice of men as possible. If there's only one bloke there that I don't fancy, I'm not going to have sex with him just because he's the only one there - I just wouldn't go back. |
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Possibly, but also most people aren't going to pre-buy tickets.
The other side to all this is, is it actually solving anything? The clubs have plenty of couples, single fems and single male customers, so what is being solved??
There was a comment on entitlement, which is very important and the main thing I would consider needs thinking about. But whether that's price related, I don't know.
I was the one who commented on entitlement, and it's my view that entitlement is, at least in part, linked to price. If all people paid the same there would be less entitlement. At the moment clubs are 'reassuringly expensive' for single men. Lots of them think it's a guaranteed fuck and be quite rude if you say no."
I've not experienced it, some people have a bad attitude and don't understand swinging. Those people will behave badly regardless. |
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It's just part of the war on men really.
It's acceptable to discriminate against white straight men all the time. No straight pride marches. No domestic violence centres of men. No "Men's minister" in the government.
Not only do clubs charge extra for men, their rules are very anti-men, hostile and often rude.
All this is one of the many, many results of feminism destroying society. |
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"It's just part of the war on men really.
It's acceptable to discriminate against white straight men all the time. No straight pride marches. No domestic violence centres of men. No "Men's minister" in the government.
Not only do clubs charge extra for men, their rules are very anti-men, hostile and often rude.
All this is one of the many, many results of feminism destroying society."
Surely tongue in cheek?...
If not I completely agree because clubs are evidence of feminism in work...
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"It's just part of the war on men really.
It's acceptable to discriminate against white straight men all the time. No straight pride marches. No domestic violence centres of men. No "Men's minister" in the government.
Not only do clubs charge extra for men, their rules are very anti-men, hostile and often rude.
All this is one of the many, many results of feminism destroying society."
Can't... type... laughing... so much...
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"It's just part of the war on men really.
It's acceptable to discriminate against white straight men all the time. No straight pride marches. No domestic violence centres of men. No "Men's minister" in the government.
Not only do clubs charge extra for men, their rules are very anti-men, hostile and often rude.
All this is one of the many, many results of feminism destroying society."
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" personally like clubs with limited single males. As a single male you want to 1 of only a few in a club full of couples and single ladies to increase your chances.
I like clubs with as much choice of men as possible. If there's only one bloke there that I don't fancy, I'm not going to have sex with him just because he's the only one there - I just wouldn't go back."
Yes for your preferences that wouldn't be good but he might not fancy you either. From his perspective it would probably be ideal because of chance etc |
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"Surely tongue in cheek?...
If not I completely agree because clubs are evidence of feminism in work...
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No deadly serious, female priveledge is rife these days and most people hate it. If you want evidence look at the Ashcroft report on people who voted for Brexit, they overwhelmingly held anti-feminist, anti-liberal views.
There's a huge movement to stop the war on men it's everywhere. Add to the earlier examples - look at men in TV adverts - "bumbling idiots" most of the time. Same in most TV now. Certainly anything that comes out of the BBC. Sorry to go off on a tangent, but it's all the same sentiment that filters through society and causes the same situation as swingers club entry fees! |
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"It's just part of the war on men really.
It's acceptable to discriminate against white straight men all the time. No straight pride marches. No domestic violence centres of men. No "Men's minister" in the government.
Not only do clubs charge extra for men, their rules are very anti-men, hostile and often rude.
All this is one of the many, many results of feminism destroying society."
Or maybe, it's just that clubs can charge more for men, and men will pay it. |
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"Surely tongue in cheek?...
If not I completely agree because clubs are evidence of feminism in work...
No deadly serious, female priveledge is rife these days and most people hate it. If you want evidence look at the Ashcroft report on people who voted for Brexit, they overwhelmingly held anti-feminist, anti-liberal views.
There's a huge movement to stop the war on men it's everywhere. Add to the earlier examples - look at men in TV adverts - "bumbling idiots" most of the time. Same in most TV now. Certainly anything that comes out of the BBC. Sorry to go off on a tangent, but it's all the same sentiment that filters through society and causes the same situation as swingers club entry fees!"
All the men I know seem quite happy.
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"Surely tongue in cheek?...
If not I completely agree because clubs are evidence of feminism in work...
No deadly serious, female priveledge is rife these days and most people hate it. If you want evidence look at the Ashcroft report on people who voted for Brexit, they overwhelmingly held anti-feminist, anti-liberal views.
There's a huge movement to stop the war on men it's everywhere. Add to the earlier examples - look at men in TV adverts - "bumbling idiots" most of the time. Same in most TV now. Certainly anything that comes out of the BBC. Sorry to go off on a tangent, but it's all the same sentiment that filters through society and causes the same situation as swingers club entry fees!"
What about black privilege? Asian privilege? LGBTQ privilege? You can't forget about those in the war against the heterosexual white male. |
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"Surely tongue in cheek?...
If not I completely agree because clubs are evidence of feminism in work...
No deadly serious, female priveledge is rife these days and most people hate it. If you want evidence look at the Ashcroft report on people who voted for Brexit, they overwhelmingly held anti-feminist, anti-liberal views.
There's a huge movement to stop the war on men it's everywhere. Add to the earlier examples - look at men in TV adverts - "bumbling idiots" most of the time. Same in most TV now. Certainly anything that comes out of the BBC. Sorry to go off on a tangent, but it's all the same sentiment that filters through society and causes the same situation as swingers club entry fees!"
You shouldn't believe everything you read on Breitbart, fella. |
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"You shouldn't believe everything you read on Breitbart, fella. "
Pretty sure physical evidence in the world around us confirms there's more male suicides. Men get longer prison sentences than women. Less custody of children. Do more dangerous jobs.
I don't need Breitbart or the Daily Mail to tell me that |
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"You shouldn't believe everything you read on Breitbart, fella.
Pretty sure physical evidence in the world around us confirms there's more male suicides. Men get longer prison sentences than women. Less custody of children. Do more dangerous jobs.
I don't need Breitbart or the Daily Mail to tell me that "
I don't disagree that those things are true - but they were true long before feminism even existed as a movement, so to blame feminism for them is a fallacy. |
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"I'm just off to block the M1 in my White Male Cis-sexual lives matter protest, to even things up.
MrB"
Black lives matter, who protest when a white cop shoots a black person (usually an upstanding citizen of course ) but then stay silent on black-on-black murders.
Racists. |
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"Because it's about supply and demand.
Having said that, I don't go to clubs, I really don't want to go somewhere I'm being used as bait to get men in, which is basically what clubs are doing in letting women in free or at a vastly reduced rate.
I'd consider somewhere with a flat, per person payment structure that doesn't elevate couples to some kind of lofty status as well.
Yes but its your choice to be used or not used. I go for the social side and rarely play unless with a friend. So your choice at the end of the day "
Exactly this, If ALL went to clubs thinking they were going for an evening out & to enjoy that then anything that may happen is a bonus.
We've now been clubbing seven times, played once, but have made friends along the way and enjoy the night regardless.
We see it as a nightclub where people wear less clothing & where if you clicked with someone you could play there instead of taking them home, but you still need to click.
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"You shouldn't believe everything you read on Breitbart, fella.
Pretty sure physical evidence in the world around us confirms there's more male suicides. Men get longer prison sentences than women. Less custody of children. Do more dangerous jobs.
I don't need Breitbart or the Daily Mail to tell me that "
Women attempt suicide more, men are more 'succesful' because of the aggressive methods employed. Male prison is due to mens tendency to violence etc.
I'm not a feminist and not blinded either way. I just don't see the big anti-male thing actually happening.
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By *eliWoman
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"What about black privilege? Asian privilege? LGBTQ privilege? You can't forget about those in the war against the heterosexual white male.
Yes!"
There's also disabled privilege.
Fat privilege. Poor privilege. Veteran privilege.
The world is turning into a shitty place when we can't respect as deserved our white hetero males and allow them to live comfortably without grief. |
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"I'm just off to block the M1 in my White Male Cis-sexual lives matter protest, to even things up.
MrB
Black lives matter, who protest when a white cop shoots a black person (usually an upstanding citizen of course ) but then stay silent on black-on-black murders.
Racists. "
Yeah, bloody black people being so discriminatory towards whites. Fuck that. White people have shown nothing but respect and love and care for black people. |
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"I'm just off to block the M1 in my White Male Cis-sexual lives matter protest, to even things up.
MrB
Black lives matter, who protest when a white cop shoots a black person (usually an upstanding citizen of course ) but then stay silent on black-on-black murders.
Racists. "
I don't support black lives matter. But doesn't follow that there is an anti white male theme in the world. |
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"I don't disagree that those things are true - but they were true long before feminism even existed as a movement, so to blame feminism for them is a fallacy. "
Fair comment, although feminism allied with liberalism and the whole SJW movement cannot have helped redress the balance of fairness in society. Without them I think we'd have a fairer society in which everyone would be better off. Like say in the 1950's where (for example) very few kids back then crying into their pillows because of divorce. Far less multiculturalism (which has caused massive problems for the world). It was a better world back then, and feminism/liberalism has a lot to answer for in the changes we've seen. |
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It is direct sex discrimination to charge a man more because of his sex. So this raises three questions:
1. Do they charge single women the same price as they charge single men?
(If so, then it is not discrimination)
2. Who's prepared to argue the case and challenge these clubs and ultimately, start taking these clubs to court?
3. Who wants to go to a club full of single men?
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"You shouldn't believe everything you read on Breitbart, fella.
Pretty sure physical evidence in the world around us confirms there's more male suicides. Men get longer prison sentences than women. Less custody of children. Do more dangerous jobs.
I don't need Breitbart or the Daily Mail to tell me that "
Did you know that Warwick University published a large study last year that analysed cases in family courts where parents were looking for custody, and they found no discernible bias in the awarding of custody to either gender when they looked at who had applied for custody?
As someone who went through the family courts as a teenager with a father who was awarded custody, this supports my own experience. |
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"It is direct sex discrimination to charge a man more because of his sex. So this raises three questions:
1. Do they charge single women the same price as they charge single men?
(If so, then it is not discrimination)
2. Who's prepared to argue the case and challenge these clubs and ultimately, start taking these clubs to court?
3. Who wants to go to a club full of single men?
Being right, doesn't always bring about the best solution "
There's no point in going to court. They are private members clubs and therefore exempt from the acts of law that enforce non-gendered pricing. |
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"I don't disagree that those things are true - but they were true long before feminism even existed as a movement, so to blame feminism for them is a fallacy.
Fair comment, although feminism allied with liberalism and the whole SJW movement cannot have helped redress the balance of fairness in society. Without them I think we'd have a fairer society in which everyone would be better off. Like say in the 1950's where (for example) very few kids back then crying into their pillows because of divorce. Far less multiculturalism (which has caused massive problems for the world). It was a better world back then, and feminism/liberalism has a lot to answer for in the changes we've seen."
How do you know it was a better world in the 1950s? For who? According to what measures?
"Very few kids crying into their pillows because of divorce" - but perhaps more crying into their pillows due to malnutrition, living in slum conditions, living in households with parents who loathe each other but can't divorce, with domestic violence, crying because one or more of their parents has been killed in the war...etc. etc.
Blaming "feminism" for the ills of the modern world is a total cop out and is men absolving themselves of responsibility for their roles in all of this.
And neither does it have anything whatsoever to do with clubs pricing structure. If anything those pricing structure demonstrate that women are seen as a sexual commodity and a prize in the swinging world - that doesn't sound particularly feminist to me. |
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Going back to club pricing, you could turn it round like this. The price to get in is X for everybody. The numbers required of single men, single women and couples are A, B and C. Then a price deduction is given if one of these demographics is harder to fill the numbers meets quota. So the question is, is it ok to give a price deduction to single women to encourage them to attend a club? Like giving people incentives to go into hard to recruit professions. So regard it as not penalising the men, but incentivising the rarer demographic. Appreciate some will find this equally as wrong, but just another way of looking at it. |
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"In a world where everyone is fighting for equality.Equal rights for men, women, gay, lesbian, transgender etc. Also equal right of pay. Which I have no objections to, what so ever.
Why are single males expected to pay more at swinger clubs. Where is the equality in that..... Using the excuse, to attract less males and more ladies and couples does not come under equal rights and should not be accepted. "
I would think this could be something that isn't really legal. However, getting someone to challenge it in court might prove difficult?! |
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"I don't disagree that those things are true - but they were true long before feminism even existed as a movement, so to blame feminism for them is a fallacy.
Fair comment, although feminism allied with liberalism and the whole SJW movement cannot have helped redress the balance of fairness in society. Without them I think we'd have a fairer society in which everyone would be better off. Like say in the 1950's where (for example) very few kids back then crying into their pillows because of divorce. Far less multiculturalism (which has caused massive problems for the world). It was a better world back then, and feminism/liberalism has a lot to answer for in the changes we've seen."
WTAF?, shall I tell you what you got instead, women like my mother who after my dad died said "If it wasn't for you kids I'd have left him years ago".. Nice! Women too scared to leave shit marriages due to the stigma of it.
In the 1950's divorce was not the done thing, fuck in some places in the 20th century women were still being put in asylums for having children out of wedlock FOR LIFE..But everything was fine, because no fucker saw it in the papers or on TV & Mrs blue rinse & Mr Suit didn't have a fucking clue what the hell was going on outside of their own small bubble.
I'm flabagasted that anyone on a swingers site can actually look back at a time where people were so "uptight" where coloureds were still being burnt by the kkk, Belgium was still in the Congo slaughtering tens of thousands, not to mention Imperialism & places like Angola & Algeria and say "Things were better then".
Also, As a distant member of "Family" I can tell you that all the syrupy bollox about the likes of the Krays & Richardson's "Only harming each other" is total and utter UTTER crap....
1950's better, on what fucking planet? ZubZub?
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Unfortunately, as a private club, they can charge in this way. We'll probably have a culture at some point where such unequal pricing etc is illegal, whatever the legal structure of the organisation that's doing it. |
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"It's just part of the war on men really.
It's acceptable to discriminate against white straight men all the time. No straight pride marches. No domestic violence centres of men. No "Men's minister" in the government.
Not only do clubs charge extra for men, their rules are very anti-men, hostile and often rude.
All this is one of the many, many results of feminism destroying society."
without feminsim women wouldn't be allowed to be openly promiscuous in the first place.
war on men. really?
why do you need a white pride march? white people already are more advantaged than anyone else, thanks to previous and long standing racism and sexism that still exists today in lesser measures. |
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"In a world where everyone is fighting for equality.Equal rights for men, women, gay, lesbian, transgender etc. Also equal right of pay. Which I have no objections to, what so ever.
Why are single males expected to pay more at swinger clubs. Where is the equality in that..... Using the excuse, to attract less males and more ladies and couples does not come under equal rights and should not be accepted. "
Why is petroleum cheaper at Asda than Tesco? Where's the equality?  there ain't non cos it's basic economics. |
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It's simple business and economics.
Single guys, by evidence of their attendance at clubs, are prepared to pay the higher prices. If an individual club raised its prices to be 'equal' then the clubs that had the 'unequal' pricing would be more attractive to the couples and single females and they would be more likely to go there instead. The single guys, being prepared to pay more would therefore also go.
Therefore the 'equal' pricing club loses its customers.
Obviously there is more to this than pure pricing, but it is a factor. |
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"There's no point in going to court. They are private members clubs and therefore exempt from the acts of law that enforce non-gendered pricing."
No, even Private Members' Clubs must work within the Equality Act of 2010, where sex and sexual orientation are "protected characteristics".
There are exemptions to this; if it was a private club "for swinging couples and single females" then it could potentially exclude single males (but I don't think it could charge them more for entry.)
But back to my earlier points why would you want to challenge it? Life's too short. |
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"You shouldn't believe everything you read on Breitbart, fella.
Pretty sure physical evidence in the world around us confirms there's more male suicides. Men get longer prison sentences than women. Less custody of children. Do more dangerous jobs.
I don't need Breitbart or the Daily Mail to tell me that "
None of that is evidence of discrimination against men |
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"Ok which single male is going to take this to court? Please step forward. ......"
As I've already said - it wouldn't go to court because private members clubs are exempt from equality pricing. |
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"In a world where everyone is fighting for equality.Equal rights for men, women, gay, lesbian, transgender etc. Also equal right of pay. Which I have no objections to, what so ever.
Why are single males expected to pay more at swinger clubs. Where is the equality in that..... Using the excuse, to attract less males and more ladies and couples does not come under equal rights and should not be accepted.
Why is petroleum cheaper at Asda than Tesco? Where's the equality? there ain't non cos it's basic economics. "
But that's not the same eggs..what is the same eggs is the same garage charging £1 ltr if a female in the car, %2.50 of two in the car & £5 if a single bloke.
All getting the same product from the same place & at the same time, but paying different rates..
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"Ok which single male is going to take this to court? Please step forward. ......
As I've already said - it wouldn't go to court because private members clubs are exempt from equality pricing."
Poster above says they're arent. Quick internet research says they are excempt from some parts i.e you can have a mens only club or a Christians only club.
But if the private club isnt specifically for a certain sex then sexual equality law applies. |
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"Ok which single male is going to take this to court? Please step forward. ......
As I've already said - it wouldn't go to court because private members clubs are exempt from equality pricing.
Poster above says they're arent. Quick internet research says they are excempt from some parts i.e you can have a mens only club or a Christians only club.
But if the private club isnt specifically for a certain sex then sexual equality law applies."
most clubs only make men become members. wonder if this is how they get around the law? |
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"Ok which single male is going to take this to court? Please step forward. ......
As I've already said - it wouldn't go to court because private members clubs are exempt from equality pricing.
Poster above says they're arent. Quick internet research says they are excempt from some parts i.e you can have a mens only club or a Christians only club.
But if the private club isnt specifically for a certain sex then sexual equality law applies.
most clubs only make men become members. wonder if this is how they get around the law?"
yeah and men have to provide I.D when couples and single ladies don't. |
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most clubs only make men become members. wonder if this is how they get around the law? yeah and men have to provide I.D when couples and single ladies don't."
Do they ban more men and need a id record to keep track? Dont know. |
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"Clubs are not about equality, they are about profit so economics, supply & demand etc. come into play.
Not political correctness "
Profit doesn't exclude businesses from the law.
I am in favour of differential pricing and allowing/ disallowing certain sexes on certain nights but am interested how they do it. Or is it just turned a blind eye to? |
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most clubs only make men become members. wonder if this is how they get around the law? yeah and men have to provide I.D when couples and single ladies don't.
Do they ban more men and need a id record to keep track? Dont know."
I dont know perhaps yes but they are not doing dbs checks because couples or single ladies might not all be allowed. |
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most clubs only make men become members. wonder if this is how they get around the law? yeah and men have to provide I.D when couples and single ladies don't.
Do they ban more men and need a id record to keep track? Dont know."
i suspect a lot more underage (under 21 or 25) guys try to get into these clubs than women. |
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"Clubs are not about equality, they are about profit so economics, supply & demand etc. come into play.
Not political correctness
Profit doesn't exclude businesses from the law.
I am in favour of differential pricing and allowing/ disallowing certain sexes on certain nights but am interested how they do it. Or is it just turned a blind eye to?"
This has been done to death on other threads.
It's not illegal. They are NOT charging single males more - they are charging them the normal price. They are simply discounting the charge for single females etc. Which (and I'll defer to those better versed) is perfectly legal thing to do.
There are also things around private member clubs etc but as I say others more in the know yo comment.
By definitely not illegal.
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"Ok which single male is going to take this to court? Please step forward. ......
As I've already said - it wouldn't go to court because private members clubs are exempt from equality pricing.
Poster above says they're arent. Quick internet research says they are excempt from some parts i.e you can have a mens only club or a Christians only club.
But if the private club isnt specifically for a certain sex then sexual equality law applies.
most clubs only make men become members. wonder if this is how they get around the law? yeah and men have to provide I.D when couples and single ladies don't."
I've had to provide ID both as a single and a couple when going to clubs for the first time. |
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"Ok which single male is going to take this to court? Please step forward. ......
As I've already said - it wouldn't go to court because private members clubs are exempt from equality pricing.
Poster above says they're arent. Quick internet research says they are excempt from some parts i.e you can have a mens only club or a Christians only club.
But if the private club isnt specifically for a certain sex then sexual equality law applies.
most clubs only make men become members. wonder if this is how they get around the law? yeah and men have to provide I.D when couples and single ladies don't.
I've had to provide ID both as a single and a couple when going to clubs for the first time. "
It depends on the clubs then i guess. |
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"I'm very much in favour of equal pay, I'd love to see women crack up through the glass ceiling "
Under the age of 30 women make more than men in comparable roles.
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