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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Some people like to keep it for just their partner and them ...

Others refuse to meet unless you can kiss..

What's yours and why??

Ours is defo kissing as we feel it's the most important... we spend lots of time kissing plus I love a sexy mouth who can resist kissing that

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Yeh id feel so wierd without the kissing part

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Definitely kissing for us

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Yeh id feel so wierd without the kissing part"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

sex without kissing just feels a little clinical for me

I love having a guy kissing me while undressing me

How do you get started without the kissing do you just get undressed and get down to it?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Kissing is great. Kissing in missionary.

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By *arkandMaz-GCouple  over a year ago

Gatwick

said no to a couple of meets because they don't kiss

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By *eliWoman  over a year ago

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I enjoy the intimacy of kissing and I find it makes the sex more pleasurable, only if they are a good kisser mind.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"said no to a couple of meets because they don't kiss"

ive left a few meets because they have refused to kiss

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I wouldn't meet anyone that didn't do kissing as its a huge turn on for me..

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By *rsFine-MrBallsCouple  over a year ago

markinch

Big no kissing here,

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By *icecouple561Couple  over a year ago
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East Sussex

It's probably well known by now that we keep passionate kissing between the two of us. It's all there on our profile so people can swerve

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Kissing is important to both of us. Obviously oral hygiene therefore is as important as good personal hygiene.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

KissING dead important.not the same without them

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It's probably well known by now that we keep passionate kissing between the two of us. It's all there on our profile so people can swerve "

That wouldn't be the only reason

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By *icecouple561Couple  over a year ago
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East Sussex


"It's probably well known by now that we keep passionate kissing between the two of us. It's all there on our profile so people can swerve

That wouldn't be the only reason "

I'm sure there are plenty of other reasons people would want to avoid us

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By *inglenfreeMan  over a year ago

london


"Some people like to keep it for just their partner and them ...

Others refuse to meet unless you can kiss..

What's yours and why??

Ours is defo kissing as we feel it's the most important... we spend lots of time kissing plus I love a sexy mouth who can resist kissing that

"

Love kissing it's an important part of love making. Kissing before during and after sex is essential.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Just love kissing, it's a must for me.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Kissing is hugely important. It gets me so turned on and makes the excitement grow and grow until you're literally all over each other. I can't imagine having sex without it personally

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

No kiss, no meet. Simple

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

We are odd... Mr loves kissing and does need it.. and in fact I dont enjoy meets if the lady doesn't want to kiss mr...

But me.. fue to reasons that are my own.. as a general rule I do not enjoy kissing other men.. it can make me feel very awkward and turn me off... there have been exceptions... but as a rule I avoid kissing other men.. yet have found people see my preference as something to make fun of me over. Never been accused of being cold or clinical I just prefer to avoid kissing other men

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It's probably well known by now that we keep passionate kissing between the two of us. It's all there on our profile so people can swerve "

Ours too

Kinky

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Whilst I understand why people choose not to kiss I couldn't meet without. It's an essential part of foreplay for me suspect I'd be a bit lost without!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"We are odd... Mr loves kissing and does need it.. and in fact I dont enjoy meets if the lady doesn't want to kiss mr...

But me.. fue to reasons that are my own.. as a general rule I do not enjoy kissing other men.. it can make me feel very awkward and turn me off... there have been exceptions... but as a rule I avoid kissing other men.. yet have found people see my preference as something to make fun of me over. Never been accused of being cold or clinical I just prefer to avoid kissing other men "

Nobody has the right to make fun of you over your preference. If the men you meet are happy with your conditions, prior to meeting, it's nobody else's business to pass judgement to you not liking kissing other men.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Kissing is essential for me. Provides a wonderful starting point for connection, & playfulness...

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By *ntellectualBBCMan  over a year ago

sacramento

Sex without kissing is like food without seasoning. I can do it for survival-sake, but in measure of pleasure... well I prefer to kiss and lick everywhere the moment calls for. Sex is an art and dance-why limit yourself to certain strokes and movements when you feel them, unless your goal is not to feel.

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By *abs..Woman  over a year ago

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I adore kissing. It arouses me so much.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Sex without kissing is like food without seasoning. I can do it for survival-sake, but in measure of pleasure... well I prefer to kiss and lick everywhere the moment calls for. Sex is an art and dance-why limit yourself to certain strokes and movements when you feel them, unless your goal is not to feel."

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Whilst I understand why people choose not to kiss I couldn't meet without. It's an essential part of foreplay for me suspect I'd be a bit lost without!"
yes but on meets I skip foreplay too.. but then I do not do 121 and only meet other couples as a 4sum or do 3sums or moresomes.. and my partner and I do the fourplay together.

At a club I normally find the gents happy to get straight to being sucked ... if I did 121 maybe it would need to be different but in group situations its not normally needed x

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"We are odd... Mr loves kissing and does need it.. and in fact I dont enjoy meets if the lady doesn't want to kiss mr...

But me.. fue to reasons that are my own.. as a general rule I do not enjoy kissing other men.. it can make me feel very awkward and turn me off... there have been exceptions... but as a rule I avoid kissing other men.. yet have found people see my preference as something to make fun of me over. Never been accused of being cold or clinical I just prefer to avoid kissing other men

Nobody has the right to make fun of you over your preference. If the men you meet are happy with your conditions, prior to meeting, it's nobody else's business to pass judgement to you not liking kissing other men. "

This

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

As to be kissing it's a turn on

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Id feel a little uncomfortable with no kissing so yeah kiss is more or less a must

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By *ungBlackTopMan  over a year ago

salford

just depends. I like kissing it's a turn on but I won't kiss someone with bad breath or minging teeth.

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By *rchie300Man  over a year ago

Hamworthy

I'd think it was a bit strange not to kiss a girl I was about too sleep with ....it's a personal thing ,a sign of attraction and intimacy.....I like feeling her tongue in my mouth ...her soft lips ....so yes it's s very important thing to me

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Nothing nicer...the essential starter before and during the main course. And it should be listed under the 'Interests' heading.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

No kiss no meet

Kissing for me is the ultimate foreplay

No kissing whilst having sex is just so cold

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"We are odd... Mr loves kissing and does need it.. and in fact I dont enjoy meets if the lady doesn't want to kiss mr...

But me.. fue to reasons that are my own.. as a general rule I do not enjoy kissing other men.. it can make me feel very awkward and turn me off... there have been exceptions... but as a rule I avoid kissing other men.. yet have found people see my preference as something to make fun of me over. Never been accused of being cold or clinical I just prefer to avoid kissing other men

Nobody has the right to make fun of you over your preference. If the men you meet are happy with your conditions, prior to meeting, it's nobody else's business to pass judgement to you not liking kissing other men.

This "

Every one has their own choices.. and ppl must accept that...there's no rights or wrongs I was just asking out of intrest..I would never make fun

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By *ackDMissMorganCouple  over a year ago

Halifax

We dont meet people who dont kiss. Its a massively important part of play for us. Yes it is intimate but its what gets us going. We have things we keep for ourselves such as anal but we both love kissing. But like anything, its each to their own. Jack.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"We are odd... Mr loves kissing and does need it.. and in fact I dont enjoy meets if the lady doesn't want to kiss mr...

But me.. fue to reasons that are my own.. as a general rule I do not enjoy kissing other men.. it can make me feel very awkward and turn me off... there have been exceptions... but as a rule I avoid kissing other men.. yet have found people see my preference as something to make fun of me over. Never been accused of being cold or clinical I just prefer to avoid kissing other men

Nobody has the right to make fun of you over your preference. If the men you meet are happy with your conditions, prior to meeting, it's nobody else's business to pass judgement to you not liking kissing other men.

This

Every one has their own choices.. and ppl must accept that...there's no rights or wrongs I was just asking out of intrest..I would never make fun "

Ive had a whole room of people think its funny to laugh and pass judgement... or call me weird.

At the weekend for the first time in as long as I can remember a guy tried to kiss me out of the blue in a group situation and it caused me to have a real panic moment...

I know my views are weird but also why I am how I am.. It is only guys... but really.. the cold and clinical comments often make me feel about am I right for this lifestyle.. despite having done it for a very long time my way.

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By *icecouple561Couple  over a year ago
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"We are odd... Mr loves kissing and does need it.. and in fact I dont enjoy meets if the lady doesn't want to kiss mr...

But me.. fue to reasons that are my own.. as a general rule I do not enjoy kissing other men.. it can make me feel very awkward and turn me off... there have been exceptions... but as a rule I avoid kissing other men.. yet have found people see my preference as something to make fun of me over. Never been accused of being cold or clinical I just prefer to avoid kissing other men

Nobody has the right to make fun of you over your preference. If the men you meet are happy with your conditions, prior to meeting, it's nobody else's business to pass judgement to you not liking kissing other men.

This

Every one has their own choices.. and ppl must accept that...there's no rights or wrongs I was just asking out of intrest..I would never make fun

Ive had a whole room of people think its funny to laugh and pass judgement... or call me weird.

At the weekend for the first time in as long as I can remember a guy tried to kiss me out of the blue in a group situation and it caused me to have a real panic moment...

I know my views are weird but also why I am how I am.. It is only guys... but really.. the cold and clinical comments often make me feel about am I right for this lifestyle.. despite having done it for a very long time my way. "

Cali honestly other people's opinions on this are just that... opinions. It doesn't make them true or right. As you know we've come in for a bit of flak over this preference of ours and I truly don't understand why it bothers people so much.

Gissa snog

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By *ackDMissMorganCouple  over a year ago

Halifax


"We are odd... Mr loves kissing and does need it.. and in fact I dont enjoy meets if the lady doesn't want to kiss mr...

But me.. fue to reasons that are my own.. as a general rule I do not enjoy kissing other men.. it can make me feel very awkward and turn me off... there have been exceptions... but as a rule I avoid kissing other men.. yet have found people see my preference as something to make fun of me over. Never been accused of being cold or clinical I just prefer to avoid kissing other men

Nobody has the right to make fun of you over your preference. If the men you meet are happy with your conditions, prior to meeting, it's nobody else's business to pass judgement to you not liking kissing other men.

This

Every one has their own choices.. and ppl must accept that...there's no rights or wrongs I was just asking out of intrest..I would never make fun

Ive had a whole room of people think its funny to laugh and pass judgement... or call me weird.

At the weekend for the first time in as long as I can remember a guy tried to kiss me out of the blue in a group situation and it caused me to have a real panic moment...

I know my views are weird but also why I am how I am.. It is only guys... but really.. the cold and clinical comments often make me feel about am I right for this lifestyle.. despite having done it for a very long time my way. "

Sorry you've had people react like that. As I said earlier, its important to us, but realise some people dont want to. Its not weird just your preference, just like its our preference nobody else can cum in Miss's mouth but me.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

We find when it comes to sexual activity, having hard rules can be unhelpful and restrictive. Sex should flow naturally. There are certain activities that I am unlikely to engage in, e.g. anal sex, but I don't need to have that as a 'set in stone' rule, because someone might change my mind. Besides I regard sex as a 2-way (or even 3-way) process of giving and receiving pleasure. So having a rule of something I don't do, whether it be kissing or anything else, means I am potentially denying my partner pleasure. I don't always kiss, it depends on the situation, and admittedly I am still inconvinced as to whether I like kissing women. But if I'm playing with a woman who I really want to play with, I'm hardly going to deny her a kiss if that's what she wants. I'm also not big on giving blowjobs, but most men like them, so I'd rather give them pleasure than deny. We believe it's important to please our partners just as much as its important to seek our own pleasure.

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"We are odd... Mr loves kissing and does need it.. and in fact I dont enjoy meets if the lady doesn't want to kiss mr...

But me.. fue to reasons that are my own.. as a general rule I do not enjoy kissing other men.. it can make me feel very awkward and turn me off... there have been exceptions... but as a rule I avoid kissing other men.. yet have found people see my preference as something to make fun of me over. Never been accused of being cold or clinical I just prefer to avoid kissing other men

Nobody has the right to make fun of you over your preference. If the men you meet are happy with your conditions, prior to meeting, it's nobody else's business to pass judgement to you not liking kissing other men.

This

Every one has their own choices.. and ppl must accept that...there's no rights or wrongs I was just asking out of intrest..I would never make fun

Ive had a whole room of people think its funny to laugh and pass judgement... or call me weird.

At the weekend for the first time in as long as I can remember a guy tried to kiss me out of the blue in a group situation and it caused me to have a real panic moment...

I know my views are weird but also why I am how I am.. It is only guys... but really.. the cold and clinical comments often make me feel about am I right for this lifestyle.. despite having done it for a very long time my way. "

How are they weird? You have your preferences. Don't ever let others opinions doubt whether you are right for this lifestyle. If you enjoy it, then you are. I wouldn't meet someone who doesn't kiss. But that doesn't mean I would judge or think negatively upon someone who would rather not kiss. We all have different preferences. Yours should be respected, like other's preferences should be .

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Whilst I understand why people choose not to kiss I couldn't meet without. It's an essential part of foreplay for me suspect I'd be a bit lost without! yes but on meets I skip foreplay too.. but then I do not do 121 and only meet other couples as a 4sum or do 3sums or moresomes.. and my partner and I do the fourplay together.

At a club I normally find the gents happy to get straight to being sucked ... if I did 121 maybe it would need to be different but in group situations its not normally needed x"

I totally get this, I think if I was meeting as part of a couple this arrangement would make sense. At least you're still getting the benefit of foreplay.

For me I'm not the sort of guy that goes to clubs and just jumps straight to sex, the experience would be missing something. Not saying I disagree with it just that it's not for me and totally get that I may be in a minority!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"We find when it comes to sexual activity, having hard rules can be unhelpful and restrictive. Sex should flow naturally. There are certain activities that I am unlikely to engage in, e.g. anal sex, but I don't need to have that as a 'set in stone' rule, because someone might change my mind. Besides I regard sex as a 2-way (or even 3-way) process of giving and receiving pleasure. So having a rule of something I don't do, whether it be kissing or anything else, means I am potentially denying my partner pleasure. I don't always kiss, it depends on the situation, and admittedly I am still inconvinced as to whether I like kissing women. But if I'm playing with a woman who I really want to play with, I'm hardly going to deny her a kiss if that's what she wants. I'm also not big on giving blowjobs, but most men like them, so I'd rather give them pleasure than deny. We believe it's important to please our partners just as much as its important to seek our own pleasure.

Mrs"

that sounds like my views.. I just avoid the kissing but have on occassion for as long as I can manage it... but on the whole I avoid it and move them to my neck or push them down so i can kiss and suck cock... I am not big on receiving but less keen on doing anything that makes me uncomfortable

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"We find when it comes to sexual activity, having hard rules can be unhelpful and restrictive. Sex should flow naturally. There are certain activities that I am unlikely to engage in, e.g. anal sex, but I don't need to have that as a 'set in stone' rule, because someone might change my mind. Besides I regard sex as a 2-way (or even 3-way) process of giving and receiving pleasure. So having a rule of something I don't do, whether it be kissing or anything else, means I am potentially denying my partner pleasure. I don't always kiss, it depends on the situation, and admittedly I am still inconvinced as to whether I like kissing women. But if I'm playing with a woman who I really want to play with, I'm hardly going to deny her a kiss if that's what she wants. I'm also not big on giving blowjobs, but most men like them, so I'd rather give them pleasure than deny. We believe it's important to please our partners just as much as its important to seek our own pleasure.

Mrs"

This attitude is definitely close to my ideal. It does rely heavily on finding respectful and trustworthy partners though. I don't necessarily think you should feel the need to sacrifice your own boundaries for the benefit of mutual pleasure, just open minded to the possibility of exploring and bending them as required!

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By *a Fee VerteWoman  over a year ago

Limbo

My opinion on this has totally changed since starting to swing. Prior to actually meeting anyone I believed it wouldn't matter too much whether I kissed my play partner or not ... I think because there's nothing more revolting (for me) than a poor kisser (bad breath, or someone who instantly latches onto your face without any build up like the creature in Alien, smothering and suffocating you), and also because I thought as there'd be no emotional attachment with a playmate it wouldn't bother me too much if they didn't want to kiss.

However ..... the very first couple myself and my partner played with (who aren't on Fab) had a 'no kissing' rule and actually, in reality, it felt distinctly odd to launch into sexual contact without any kissing. I also felt inhibited and confused about whether or not I was 'allowed' to kiss any other part of them ... and the whole experience ended up feeling quite detached and sterile and definitely 'meh'. So much so that ever since then I've swerved people who don't want to kiss - which is obviously their prerogative of course - because I *need* that extra level of contact to feel properly turned on.

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By *he girl with dreadlocksWoman  over a year ago

need to know basis in Wolverhampton

I don't get turned on without kissing.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Kiss kiss kiss - connection

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Can not have a meet with no kissing would feel very strange

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By *loppsyWoman  over a year ago

marlow

Kissing is essential.......biggest turn for me x

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By *omandjillCouple  over a year ago

looking

Don't mind jill kiss after all the other guy has his cock in her so doesn't really matter about his tongue lol

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By *aughtySxTV/TS  over a year ago

Wigan Bolton North West

I love kissing but respect it if they don't

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By *iss.HoneyWoman  over a year ago

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Kisser here. I love a bit of lip smashing

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Kissing is soooo sensual and such a turn on

cant imagine not kissing

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By *entenTeaCouple  over a year ago

Buckley North Wales

We love kissing when we play with outhers. It doesn't have to be with tongues just intense with plenty carressing.

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By *alandNitaCouple  over a year ago

Scunthorpe

We enjoy kissing but could enjoy a meet that didn't involve kissing the other party on the lips. Not kissing at all would be weird and probably impossible for me, as I enjoy kissing a partners body.

Nita

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Most definitely kissing, it's such a turn on and a huge part of sex for me.

If I'm not good enough to kiss, then I'm certainly not good enough to have sex with.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Kissing the best part of love making no kissing no fun in my book.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

There has to be kissing involved, mouth, neck, body, pretty much everywhere really..

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"There has to be kissing involved, mouth, neck, body, pretty much everywhere really.. "

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Now all I can think of us kissing where's Mr A when I need him

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Kissing an essential part of play for me!!

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By *alia2000Man  over a year ago

Glasgow

Love kissing here

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By *emini ManMan  over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

Just couldn't play without kissing being involved, to me it's possibly the most sensual part of the experience, from those first tentative brushes of the lips that grow in intensity as mouths open and tongues lick and explore, while hands start to wander....

....just can't beat it

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By *eoffinthecityMan  over a year ago

Wigan

It's really hard to break the tension and ease into the mood without kissing. Definitely needs to be there.

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By *rsFine-MrBallsCouple  over a year ago

markinch

Lol, oooo so all these eh kissing peeps im guessing that if nothing else was to be had at a meet except for kissing yous would still meet , come on now, don't just join the club be honest

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

No kissing = No Passion = No point.

Honestly.

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By *iss.HoneyWoman  over a year ago

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"No kissing = No Passion = No point.

Honestly. "

Pucker up frosty

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Some people like to keep it for just their partner and them ...

Others refuse to meet unless you can kiss..

What's yours and why??

Ours is defo kissing as we feel it's the most important... we spend lots of time kissing plus I love a sexy mouth who can resist kissing that "

Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss Kiss

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"No kissing = No Passion = No point.

Honestly.

Pucker up frosty "

Hope you don't mind mint chap stick?

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By *andemanMan  over a year ago

bedforshire

Yep i do so think Kissing is such a part of the passion and intemacy of an encounter. Without it the experience becomes mecanical i could just have a wank really.

So yes passionate Kissing is a big part of a good meet.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Kissing is ecential for me. I love to make out with someone. Before, during or after doesn't matter. It serves to heat me up and cool me down. I do, however, understand why some people don't like to. Saying that, I wouldn't meet with people who don't kiss. Tried it once in a BDSM situation found it lacked something.

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By *its and BeardCouple  over a year ago

west Brom

Love a good snog

K

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By *inky-MinxWoman  over a year ago

Grantham

Yes please to kissing

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

For me... it's all in the kiss, great kisser leads to amazing sex

N

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I simply can't comprehend not kissing when having sex?? It would be like having an egg without the yolk??

To me it's the catalyst to the event..

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Some people like to keep it for just their partner and them ...

Others refuse to meet unless you can kiss..

What's yours and why??

Ours is defo kissing as we feel it's the most important... we spend lots of time kissing plus I love a sexy mouth who can resist kissing that "

We thought about keeping kissing to ourself before we had ever had a meet, then we realised how silly that was as we enjoy kissing and it would be totally awkward with it...having said that..we would always adhere to the other couples boundaries.

We wouldn't dismiss a couple just because they prefer not to kiss. I'll just kiss them somewhere else ha ha.

Eve. X

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By *ossnsecretaryCouple  over a year ago

Epsom

Just love snogging! It's a huge turn on for us both

Xx

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By *crumdiddlyumptiousMan  over a year ago

.

I wouldn't meet any Woman that said there would be no kissing involved,

Kissing gets me started and I loving kissing during and after a meet

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

sex without kissing is a no no for me

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I can actually nearly cum through deep passionate kissing.

It's so important. It adds to the intimacy, can almost be erotic.

It's a ten from Len!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Be a little weird without kissing if I'm honest..

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By *hil988Man  over a year ago

lichfield

Kissing is such a sensual thing to do it is definitely a turn on and as the mood takes

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By *usie pTV/TS  over a year ago

taunton

I find lots of guys want to kiss when I am being a dirty little slut but my god all this face stubble is extremely painful like being pricked with a thousand pins do you ladies enjoy it

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Wish I was lined up to get lots of kisses at midnight tonight. I shall make up for it in 2017

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"No kiss, no meet. Simple "

Yes

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By *andS_GlasgowCouple  over a year ago

Giffnock

kissing is great !

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By *ihimbiherCouple  over a year ago

lightwater

Lovvvvvve a snog

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By *hat The CuckCouple  over a year ago

South London

We have a no kissing rule. We prefer to keep this between ourselves. If this means no meet then that's ok as we haven't done too badly with regards to meets to date.

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By *arehamMan  over a year ago

handforth

Kissing is part of the hole thing about sex,does not feel right not doing it,but each too there own.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I'd hate to meet without kissing. I love kissing a woman's neck from behind as I undress her.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I love kissing. But then have never met anyone who can kiss me like my man does so it's always rather disappointing! Where are all the good kissers!

Ruby

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I've been known to go on a bit about how much I do love to kiss

But I really, really do believe that it is the bestest!

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By *ungBlackTopMan  over a year ago

salford

It's a weird one. I like to kiss, it's sensual and a good starting point. I find women off here kiss but the "straight" men don't like too but they'll suck my dick no problem...odd I know.

Now I insist on kissing as I like it and it's not all about the other person.

Saying that, no way I would kiss someone with bad teeth but I guess I can tell that from their pics before meeting.

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