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"Reading the forums i come across alot of race related threads that turn sour There does seem to be some divide even if its sub-conscious My question is what do you class as racist?" Somebody who is prejudiced against another person based 'solely' on their race or colour of their skin | |||
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" Somebody who is prejudiced against another person based 'solely' on their race or colour of their skin " Textbook | |||
"Reading the forums i come across alot of race related threads that turn sour There does seem to be some divide even if its sub-conscious My question is what do you class as racist? Somebody who is prejudiced against another person based 'solely' on their race or colour of their skin " That was the old definition, the new definition includes disagreeing on immigration levels, religion and voting for a particular party. | |||
"Reading the forums i come across alot of race related threads that turn sour There does seem to be some divide even if its sub-conscious My question is what do you class as racist? Somebody who is prejudiced against another person based 'solely' on their race or colour of their skin That was the old definition, the new definition includes disagreeing on immigration levels, religion and voting for a particular party." Only if your Farage | |||
"Reading the forums i come across alot of race related threads that turn sour There does seem to be some divide even if its sub-conscious My question is what do you class as racist? Somebody who is prejudiced against another person based 'solely' on their race or colour of their skin That was the old definition, the new definition includes disagreeing on immigration levels, religion and voting for a particular party." The word "preference" covers all the above. Apparently | |||
"Reading the forums i come across alot of race related threads that turn sour There does seem to be some divide even if its sub-conscious My question is what do you class as racist? Somebody who is prejudiced against another person based 'solely' on their race or colour of their skin " This  | |||
"Reading the forums i come across alot of race related threads that turn sour There does seem to be some divide even if its sub-conscious My question is what do you class as racist? Somebody who is prejudiced against another person based 'solely' on their race or colour of their skin That was the old definition, the new definition includes disagreeing on immigration levels, religion and voting for a particular party. The word "preference" covers all the above. Apparently " Only on fab  | |||
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"Being nasty to people you meet because they arent white, of course everyone will say im wrong but thats my opinion anyway." You couldn't be more wrong | |||
"Being nasty to people you meet because they arent white, of course everyone will say im wrong but thats my opinion anyway." Yo don't have to be white to be a racist  | |||
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"Being nasty to people you meet because they arent white, of course everyone will say im wrong but thats my opinion anyway. Yo don't have to be white to be a racist
"And the problem with that is...? | |||
"Brexit voter" Now now, let's be civil about this | |||
"Being nasty to people you meet because they arent white, of course everyone will say im wrong but thats my opinion anyway. Yo don't have to be white to be a racist
And the problem with that is...?
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"Being nasty to people you meet because they arent white, of course everyone will say im wrong but thats my opinion anyway. Yo don't have to be white to be a racist "No i know. | |||
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"Being nasty to people you meet because they arent white, of course everyone will say im wrong but thats my opinion anyway. Yo don't have to be white to be a racist
No i know. "Was your previous statement a joke then | |||
"Being nasty to people you meet because they arent white, of course everyone will say im wrong but thats my opinion anyway. Yo don't have to be white to be a racist
And the problem with that is...?
Wrong emoji, I was agreeing with you "Was gonna say, chances are we're on th same side here... | |||
"Why do so many people's profiles on here say no Asian or blacks?" It's a so called 'preference'  | |||
"Being nasty to people you meet because they arent white, of course everyone will say im wrong but thats my opinion anyway. Yo don't have to be white to be a racist
And the problem with that is...?
Wrong emoji, I was agreeing with you
Was gonna say, chances are we're on th same side here..." | |||
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"Racism is the act of attributing a characteristic to an individual based on their skin color. " Isn't that prejudice ? | |||
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"Of course racism is real and is an ugly undercurrent within all human societies, as far as I can gather. Let's call a spade a spade, so to speak. Odd thing is, I'd dispute the very notion of race - I say it's a construct, and an excuse for prejudice while skin colour is a very poor determinant of genetic difference. But wotevva. It's interesting. Let's flip the proposition. You can say ANYTHING you like about old white men. Try it:" Old white men secretly run the world Old white men rape the planet Old white men are cunts | |||
"Of course racism is real and is an ugly undercurrent within all human societies, as far as I can gather. Let's call a spade a spade, so to speak. Odd thing is, I'd dispute the very notion of race - I say it's a construct, and an excuse for prejudice while skin colour is a very poor determinant of genetic difference. But wotevva. It's interesting. Let's flip the proposition. You can say ANYTHING you like about old white men. Try it:" Can we assume the old white man is Jeremy Clarkson ?? | |||
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"Reading the forums i come across alot of race related threads that turn sour There does seem to be some divide even if its sub-conscious My question is what do you class as racist? Somebody who is prejudiced against another person based 'solely' on their race or colour of their skin That was the old definition, the new definition includes disagreeing on immigration levels, religion and voting for a particular party." No, that is plain old prejudice masquerading as plain talk. | |||
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"according to google racist means thinking one race is superior to another." Yeah, but race is a bullshit concept | |||
"according to google racist means thinking one race is superior to another. Yeah, but race is a bullshit concept" they still 'exist' though to most people, including me. i think when we discuss preferences we should talk about prejudice instead. | |||
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"according to google racist means thinking one race is superior to another. Yeah, but race is a bullshit concept" How? Obviously racial prejudice is wrong, but how do those races not exist? If that's what you mean. | |||
"Racism is the act of attributing a characteristic to an individual based on their skin color. Isn't that prejudice ?" Human knowledge is based on experience. Our reactions to circumstances are based on previous experience. People are discriminated againt here for all reasons and it's ok. Your looks, body type, body hair, body art, age, sexual orientation etc etc. It's called the freedom of choice. | |||
"according to google racist means thinking one race is superior to another. Yeah, but race is a bullshit concept How? Obviously racial prejudice is wrong, but how do those races not exist? If that's what you mean." they're based on physical attributes and nothing more than that, but most people think that culture is to do with race. | |||
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"forgot to add , It saddens me that you can slag people off for their weight . How do you know why they are overweight? . I know a girl who eats next to nothing. She is a bonny lass and gets stick sometimes . She is the best girl you will ever meet " That is now called body shaming. On the topic of the whole racist thing, I think the term is thrown around far too much these days, I heard on the radio someone was accused of being racist because they'd used the term "posse" to define some basketball players management group. The problem is, throwing around a word such as racism at every opportunity only acts to desensitise the public to the word and detract from real racism. | |||
"Culture often goes hand in hand with race" so white peoples culture is? | |||
"Racism is the act of attributing a characteristic to an individual based on their skin color. Isn't that prejudice ? Human knowledge is based on experience. Our reactions to circumstances are based on previous experience. People are discriminated againt here for all reasons and it's ok. Your looks, body type, body hair, body art, age, sexual orientation etc etc. It's called the freedom of choice. " If you are being 'discriminated' then it isn't freedom of choice | |||
"Culture often goes hand in hand with race so white peoples culture is?" Who are 'white' people? | |||
"according to google racist means thinking one race is superior to another. Yeah, but race is a bullshit concept How? Obviously racial prejudice is wrong, but how do those races not exist? If that's what you mean." OK, are you sitting comfortably? Racism exists. Race does not. Race, as we understand it, is an early modern creation. As Europeans explored and conquered the globe they found all these funny coloured, 'inferior' peoples. And in keeping with the 'scientific' methods of the times, sought to place these colours, these races in a hierarchy, with whites at the top, of course. (I'm truncating massively) We now know that the way we talk about race has no scientific validity. There is no genetic basis that corresponds with any particular group of people, no essentialist DNA for black people or white people or anyone. This is not a hippy ideal, it’s a fact. There are genetic characteristics that associate with certain populations, but none of these is exclusive, nor correspond uniquely with any one group that might fit a racial epithet. Regional adaptations are real, but these tend to express difference within so-called races, not between them. Sickle-cell anaemia affects people of all skin colours because it has evolved where malaria is common. Tibetans are genetically adapted to high altitude, rendering Chinese residents of Beijing more similar to Europeans than their superficially similar neighbours. Tay-Sachs disease, once thought to be a “Jewish disease”, is as common in French Canadians and Cajuns. And so it goes on. It's ironic - skin colour is a shite determinant of genetic difference. For instance, a Zulu from South Africa has more in common, genetically speaking, with someone from northern Europe than someone from Ethiopia. But you know, they're all black, so wotevva. | |||
"Culture often goes hand in hand with race so white peoples culture is? Who are 'white' people?" caucasians. and i'm proving a point here with that question, not actually caring if anyone can answer it, coz they will only be able to answer in a way that proves my point. | |||
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"Racism is the act of attributing a characteristic to an individual based on their skin color. " Of attributing negative behavioral characteristics to a race surely? Races do have different physical characteristics, that is one of the definitions of a race? Mexicans tend to be shorter than Northern Europeans etc etc that's not racist. Trump style Mexicans are rapists, is racist. (I know mexican isn't a race, it's a off the top of my head example) | |||
"Culture often goes hand in hand with race so white peoples culture is? Who are 'white' people? caucasians. and i'm proving a point here with that question, not actually caring if anyone can answer it, coz they will only be able to answer in a way that proves my point." Your not, your assuming that race is the same as skin colour, it isn't | |||
"Racism is the act of attributing a characteristic to an individual based on their skin color. Isn't that prejudice ? Human knowledge is based on experience. Our reactions to circumstances are based on previous experience. People are discriminated againt here for all reasons and it's ok. Your looks, body type, body hair, body art, age, sexual orientation etc etc. It's called the freedom of choice. If you are being 'discriminated' then it isn't freedom of choice " Exactly. There's a difference between prejudice and discrimination. Prejudice is about the other person. Discrimination is about you. Discrimination is a natural part of survival. If you didn't discriminate between mushrooms and toadstools you'd be dead. | |||
"Of course racism is real and is an ugly undercurrent within all human societies, as far as I can gather. Let's call a spade a spade, so to speak. Odd thing is, I'd dispute the very notion of race - I say it's a construct, and an excuse for prejudice while skin colour is a very poor determinant of genetic difference. But wotevva. It's interesting. Let's flip the proposition. You can say ANYTHING you like about old white men. Try it: Can we assume the old white man is Jeremy Clarkson ??" | |||
"Why do so many people's profiles on here say no Asian or blacks?" For the same reason that so many women prefer to have sex with black men, now that doesn't mean those women are racist, does it? Is just called sexual preference, for some is even a kink, have you thought about that? I have absolutely no racist inclinations but there are certain ethnic groups that I'm just not sexually attracted to. | |||
"according to google racist means thinking one race is superior to another. Yeah, but race is a bullshit concept How? Obviously racial prejudice is wrong, but how do those races not exist? If that's what you mean. OK, are you sitting comfortably? Racism exists. Race does not. Race, as we understand it, is an early modern creation. As Europeans explored and conquered the globe they found all these funny coloured, 'inferior' peoples. And in keeping with the 'scientific' methods of the times, sought to place these colours, these races in a hierarchy, with whites at the top, of course. (I'm truncating massively) We now know that the way we talk about race has no scientific validity. There is no genetic basis that corresponds with any particular group of people, no essentialist DNA for black people or white people or anyone. This is not a hippy ideal, it’s a fact. There are genetic characteristics that associate with certain populations, but none of these is exclusive, nor correspond uniquely with any one group that might fit a racial epithet. Regional adaptations are real, but these tend to express difference within so-called races, not between them. Sickle-cell anaemia affects people of all skin colours because it has evolved where malaria is common. Tibetans are genetically adapted to high altitude, rendering Chinese residents of Beijing more similar to Europeans than their superficially similar neighbours. Tay-Sachs disease, once thought to be a “Jewish disease”, is as common in French Canadians and Cajuns. And so it goes on. It's ironic - skin colour is a shite determinant of genetic difference. For instance, a Zulu from South Africa has more in common, genetically speaking, with someone from northern Europe than someone from Ethiopia. But you know, they're all black, so wotevva. "Someone has dug out the Haralambos | |||
"Racism is the act of attributing a characteristic to an individual based on their skin color. Isn't that prejudice ? Human knowledge is based on experience. Our reactions to circumstances are based on previous experience. People are discriminated againt here for all reasons and it's ok. Your looks, body type, body hair, body art, age, sexual orientation etc etc. It's called the freedom of choice. If you are being 'discriminated' then it isn't freedom of choice Exactly. There's a difference between prejudice and discrimination. Prejudice is about the other person. Discrimination is about you. Discrimination is a natural part of survival. If you didn't discriminate between mushrooms and toadstools you'd be dead. " Sorry , but we are talking about racial discrimination not what you choose for your breakfast , | |||
"according to google racist means thinking one race is superior to another. Yeah, but race is a bullshit concept How? Obviously racial prejudice is wrong, but how do those races not exist? If that's what you mean. OK, are you sitting comfortably? Racism exists. Race does not. Race, as we understand it, is an early modern creation. As Europeans explored and conquered the globe they found all these funny coloured, 'inferior' peoples. And in keeping with the 'scientific' methods of the times, sought to place these colours, these races in a hierarchy, with whites at the top, of course. (I'm truncating massively) We now know that the way we talk about race has no scientific validity. There is no genetic basis that corresponds with any particular group of people, no essentialist DNA for black people or white people or anyone. This is not a hippy ideal, it’s a fact. There are genetic characteristics that associate with certain populations, but none of these is exclusive, nor correspond uniquely with any one group that might fit a racial epithet. Regional adaptations are real, but these tend to express difference within so-called races, not between them. Sickle-cell anaemia affects people of all skin colours because it has evolved where malaria is common. Tibetans are genetically adapted to high altitude, rendering Chinese residents of Beijing more similar to Europeans than their superficially similar neighbours. Tay-Sachs disease, once thought to be a “Jewish disease”, is as common in French Canadians and Cajuns. And so it goes on. It's ironic - skin colour is a shite determinant of genetic difference. For instance, a Zulu from South Africa has more in common, genetically speaking, with someone from northern Europe than someone from Ethiopia. But you know, they're all black, so wotevva. "OK, I get the Victorian ranking bullshit. But you can have a good guess probably correct if someone is multi-generationally from Somalia or Peru or Greenland etc etc People from different parts of the world have an 'average' to certain physical characteristics. Branding people inferior because of that is racist, not saying it exists. | |||
"Culture often goes hand in hand with race so white peoples culture is? Who are 'white' people? caucasians. and i'm proving a point here with that question, not actually caring if anyone can answer it, coz they will only be able to answer in a way that proves my point. Your not, your assuming that race is the same as skin colour, it isn't " ...Yes correct, race is not always about colour and often involves cultural matters too | |||
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"Culture often goes hand in hand with race so white peoples culture is? Who are 'white' people? caucasians. and i'm proving a point here with that question, not actually caring if anyone can answer it, coz they will only be able to answer in a way that proves my point. Your not, your assuming that race is the same as skin colour, it isn't " ethnicity, still comes under race. | |||
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"according to google racist means thinking one race is superior to another. Yeah, but race is a bullshit concept How? Obviously racial prejudice is wrong, but how do those races not exist? If that's what you mean. OK, are you sitting comfortably? Racism exists. Race does not. Race, as we understand it, is an early modern creation. As Europeans explored and conquered the globe they found all these funny coloured, 'inferior' peoples. And in keeping with the 'scientific' methods of the times, sought to place these colours, these races in a hierarchy, with whites at the top, of course. (I'm truncating massively) We now know that the way we talk about race has no scientific validity. There is no genetic basis that corresponds with any particular group of people, no essentialist DNA for black people or white people or anyone. This is not a hippy ideal, it’s a fact. There are genetic characteristics that associate with certain populations, but none of these is exclusive, nor correspond uniquely with any one group that might fit a racial epithet. Regional adaptations are real, but these tend to express difference within so-called races, not between them. Sickle-cell anaemia affects people of all skin colours because it has evolved where malaria is common. Tibetans are genetically adapted to high altitude, rendering Chinese residents of Beijing more similar to Europeans than their superficially similar neighbours. Tay-Sachs disease, once thought to be a “Jewish disease”, is as common in French Canadians and Cajuns. And so it goes on. It's ironic - skin colour is a shite determinant of genetic difference. For instance, a Zulu from South Africa has more in common, genetically speaking, with someone from northern Europe than someone from Ethiopia. But you know, they're all black, so wotevva. "So what is your definiton with race then? Sub species? Would you consider Neanderthal to be a separate race? And when is the cut off point. | |||
"Reading the forums i come across alot of race related threads that turn sour There does seem to be some divide even if its sub-conscious My question is what do you class as racist? Somebody who is prejudiced against another person based 'solely' on their race or colour of their skin That was the old definition, the new definition includes disagreeing on immigration levels, religion and voting for a particular party."  | |||
"according to google racist means thinking one race is superior to another. Yeah, but race is a bullshit concept How? Obviously racial prejudice is wrong, but how do those races not exist? If that's what you mean. OK, are you sitting comfortably? Racism exists. Race does not. Race, as we understand it, is an early modern creation. As Europeans explored and conquered the globe they found all these funny coloured, 'inferior' peoples. And in keeping with the 'scientific' methods of the times, sought to place these colours, these races in a hierarchy, with whites at the top, of course. (I'm truncating massively) We now know that the way we talk about race has no scientific validity. There is no genetic basis that corresponds with any particular group of people, no essentialist DNA for black people or white people or anyone. This is not a hippy ideal, it’s a fact. There are genetic characteristics that associate with certain populations, but none of these is exclusive, nor correspond uniquely with any one group that might fit a racial epithet. Regional adaptations are real, but these tend to express difference within so-called races, not between them. Sickle-cell anaemia affects people of all skin colours because it has evolved where malaria is common. Tibetans are genetically adapted to high altitude, rendering Chinese residents of Beijing more similar to Europeans than their superficially similar neighbours. Tay-Sachs disease, once thought to be a “Jewish disease”, is as common in French Canadians and Cajuns. And so it goes on. It's ironic - skin colour is a shite determinant of genetic difference. For instance, a Zulu from South Africa has more in common, genetically speaking, with someone from northern Europe than someone from Ethiopia. But you know, they're all black, so wotevva.
So what is your definiton with race then? Sub species? Would you consider Neanderthal to be a separate race? And when is the cut off point. "What does the Grand Wizard say about it? | |||
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"P.s. Prejudice + Power = Racism "We all have individual power though. | |||
"Massive grey area. Racism or a racists believe there race is superior to others. " That pretty much sums it up, the only problem is these bigoted morons probably don't know what race they are | |||
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"Why do so many people's profiles on here say no Asian or blacks?because they smell  "The countdown begins | |||
"according to google racist means thinking one race is superior to another. Yeah, but race is a bullshit concept How? Obviously racial prejudice is wrong, but how do those races not exist? If that's what you mean. OK, are you sitting comfortably? Racism exists. Race does not. Race, as we understand it, is an early modern creation. As Europeans explored and conquered the globe they found all these funny coloured, 'inferior' peoples. And in keeping with the 'scientific' methods of the times, sought to place these colours, these races in a hierarchy, with whites at the top, of course. (I'm truncating massively) We now know that the way we talk about race has no scientific validity. There is no genetic basis that corresponds with any particular group of people, no essentialist DNA for black people or white people or anyone. This is not a hippy ideal, it’s a fact. There are genetic characteristics that associate with certain populations, but none of these is exclusive, nor correspond uniquely with any one group that might fit a racial epithet. Regional adaptations are real, but these tend to express difference within so-called races, not between them. Sickle-cell anaemia affects people of all skin colours because it has evolved where malaria is common. Tibetans are genetically adapted to high altitude, rendering Chinese residents of Beijing more similar to Europeans than their superficially similar neighbours. Tay-Sachs disease, once thought to be a “Jewish disease”, is as common in French Canadians and Cajuns. And so it goes on. It's ironic - skin colour is a shite determinant of genetic difference. For instance, a Zulu from South Africa has more in common, genetically speaking, with someone from northern Europe than someone from Ethiopia. But you know, they're all black, so wotevva.
So what is your definiton with race then? Sub species? Would you consider Neanderthal to be a separate race? And when is the cut off point. "You're talking about species
If two organisms cannot interbreed, they are separate species.
I have no idea if Neanderthal man could interbreed with you... wanna find out?
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"Massive grey area... " Race is a grey area? | |||
"Massive grey area... Race is a grey area? "or is black and white? oh hold on..... | |||
"Why do so many people's profiles on here say no Asian or blacks? It's a so called 'preference' "Oh please! Racism and who you choose to have sex with are different issues. Yes some people who don't want sex with ethnic minorities may be racist, but the majority won't be. | |||
"Reading the forums i come across alot of race related threads that turn sour There does seem to be some divide even if its sub-conscious My question is what do you class as racist?" My dad. Also homophobic Transphobic Etc | |||
"according to google racist means thinking one race is superior to another. Yeah, but race is a bullshit concept How? Obviously racial prejudice is wrong, but how do those races not exist? If that's what you mean. OK, are you sitting comfortably? Racism exists. Race does not. Race, as we understand it, is an early modern creation. As Europeans explored and conquered the globe they found all these funny coloured, 'inferior' peoples. And in keeping with the 'scientific' methods of the times, sought to place these colours, these races in a hierarchy, with whites at the top, of course. (I'm truncating massively) We now know that the way we talk about race has no scientific validity. There is no genetic basis that corresponds with any particular group of people, no essentialist DNA for black people or white people or anyone. This is not a hippy ideal, it’s a fact. There are genetic characteristics that associate with certain populations, but none of these is exclusive, nor correspond uniquely with any one group that might fit a racial epithet. Regional adaptations are real, but these tend to express difference within so-called races, not between them. Sickle-cell anaemia affects people of all skin colours because it has evolved where malaria is common. Tibetans are genetically adapted to high altitude, rendering Chinese residents of Beijing more similar to Europeans than their superficially similar neighbours. Tay-Sachs disease, once thought to be a “Jewish disease”, is as common in French Canadians and Cajuns. And so it goes on. It's ironic - skin colour is a shite determinant of genetic difference. For instance, a Zulu from South Africa has more in common, genetically speaking, with someone from northern Europe than someone from Ethiopia. But you know, they're all black, so wotevva.
So what is your definiton with race then? Sub species? Would you consider Neanderthal to be a separate race? And when is the cut off point.
You're talking about species
If two organisms cannot interbreed, they are separate species.
I have no idea if Neanderthal man could interbreed with you... wanna find out?
"Now, the second part of your question is about racism. Racism assumes that characteristics - temperamental, cultural, physical or mental characteristics - are innate to a 'race' and are carried from one generation to the next. This is, of course, bollocks. | |||
"Of course racism is real and is an ugly undercurrent within all human societies, as far as I can gather. Let's call a spade a spade, so to speak. Odd thing is, I'd dispute the very notion of race - I say it's a construct, and an excuse for prejudice while skin colour is a very poor determinant of genetic difference. But wotevva. It's interesting. Let's flip the proposition. You can say ANYTHING you like about old white men. Try it: Old white men secretly run the world Old white men rape the planet Old white men are cunts "Old white men are wrinkly | |||
"Racism is the act of attributing a characteristic to an individual based on their skin color. Isn't that prejudice ? Human knowledge is based on experience. Our reactions to circumstances are based on previous experience. People are discriminated againt here for all reasons and it's ok. Your looks, body type, body hair, body art, age, sexual orientation etc etc. It's called the freedom of choice. If you are being 'discriminated' then it isn't freedom of choice Exactly. There's a difference between prejudice and discrimination. Prejudice is about the other person. Discrimination is about you. Discrimination is a natural part of survival. If you didn't discriminate between mushrooms and toadstools you'd be dead. Sorry , but we are talking about racial discrimination not what you choose for your breakfast , " I'm saying that all forms of discrimination are natural human characteristics. I discriminate against thin women. I don't hate them or have anything against them. I'm just not attracted to them. I don't however say "All things women (fill in the blank)" that would be prejudiced. Having a preference for someone of a particular skin colour is simply not politically correct. But PC is just a matter of fashion. We stand up and shout the odds but what we really feel in our hearts shows when we vote. Refer here to the outcome of two big votes of 2016. | |||
" Racism assumes that characteristics - temperamental, cultural, physical or mental characteristics - are innate to a 'race' and are carried from one generation to the next. This is, of course, bollocks. " Partly. physical characteristics carry from one generation to another, that isn't racist. | |||
"Culture often goes hand in hand with race so white peoples culture is?" There's not just one culture for whites just like there isn't for Asians. | |||
"Racism is the act of attributing a characteristic to an individual based on their skin color. Isn't that prejudice ? Human knowledge is based on experience. Our reactions to circumstances are based on previous experience. People are discriminated againt here for all reasons and it's ok. Your looks, body type, body hair, body art, age, sexual orientation etc etc. It's called the freedom of choice. If you are being 'discriminated' then it isn't freedom of choice Exactly. There's a difference between prejudice and discrimination. Prejudice is about the other person. Discrimination is about you. Discrimination is a natural part of survival. If you didn't discriminate between mushrooms and toadstools you'd be dead. Sorry , but we are talking about racial discrimination not what you choose for your breakfast , I'm saying that all forms of discrimination are natural human characteristics. I discriminate against thin women. I don't hate them or have anything against them. I'm just not attracted to them. I don't however say "All things women (fill in the blank)" that would be prejudiced. Having a preference for someone of a particular skin colour is simply not politically correct. But PC is just a matter of fashion. We stand up and shout the odds but what we really feel in our hearts shows when we vote. Refer here to the outcome of two big votes of 2016. "Are you suggesting that we are all racist ?? | |||
"according to google racist means thinking one race is superior to another. Yeah, but race is a bullshit concept How? Obviously racial prejudice is wrong, but how do those races not exist? If that's what you mean. OK, are you sitting comfortably? Racism exists. Race does not. Race, as we understand it, is an early modern creation. As Europeans explored and conquered the globe they found all these funny coloured, 'inferior' peoples. And in keeping with the 'scientific' methods of the times, sought to place these colours, these races in a hierarchy, with whites at the top, of course. (I'm truncating massively) We now know that the way we talk about race has no scientific validity. There is no genetic basis that corresponds with any particular group of people, no essentialist DNA for black people or white people or anyone. This is not a hippy ideal, it’s a fact. There are genetic characteristics that associate with certain populations, but none of these is exclusive, nor correspond uniquely with any one group that might fit a racial epithet. Regional adaptations are real, but these tend to express difference within so-called races, not between them. Sickle-cell anaemia affects people of all skin colours because it has evolved where malaria is common. Tibetans are genetically adapted to high altitude, rendering Chinese residents of Beijing more similar to Europeans than their superficially similar neighbours. Tay-Sachs disease, once thought to be a “Jewish disease”, is as common in French Canadians and Cajuns. And so it goes on. It's ironic - skin colour is a shite determinant of genetic difference. For instance, a Zulu from South Africa has more in common, genetically speaking, with someone from northern Europe than someone from Ethiopia. But you know, they're all black, so wotevva.
So what is your definiton with race then? Sub species? Would you consider Neanderthal to be a separate race? And when is the cut off point.
You're talking about species
If two organisms cannot interbreed, they are separate species.
I have no idea if Neanderthal man could interbreed with you... wanna find out?
Now, the second part of your question is about racism.
Racism assumes that characteristics - temperamental, cultural, physical or mental characteristics - are innate to a 'race' and are carried from one generation to the next.
This is, of course, bollocks. "it's proven not to be though. The people who live on Tibet have been able to handle oxgen deprivation far better than Europeans for example and we know that melanin protects against harsh sunlight and lack of melanin makes the absorption of Vit D much easier. | |||
"according to google racist means thinking one race is superior to another. Yeah, but race is a bullshit concept How? Obviously racial prejudice is wrong, but how do those races not exist? If that's what you mean. OK, are you sitting comfortably? Racism exists. Race does not. Race, as we understand it, is an early modern creation. As Europeans explored and conquered the globe they found all these funny coloured, 'inferior' peoples. And in keeping with the 'scientific' methods of the times, sought to place these colours, these races in a hierarchy, with whites at the top, of course. (I'm truncating massively) We now know that the way we talk about race has no scientific validity. There is no genetic basis that corresponds with any particular group of people, no essentialist DNA for black people or white people or anyone. This is not a hippy ideal, it’s a fact. There are genetic characteristics that associate with certain populations, but none of these is exclusive, nor correspond uniquely with any one group that might fit a racial epithet. Regional adaptations are real, but these tend to express difference within so-called races, not between them. Sickle-cell anaemia affects people of all skin colours because it has evolved where malaria is common. Tibetans are genetically adapted to high altitude, rendering Chinese residents of Beijing more similar to Europeans than their superficially similar neighbours. Tay-Sachs disease, once thought to be a “Jewish disease”, is as common in French Canadians and Cajuns. And so it goes on. It's ironic - skin colour is a shite determinant of genetic difference. For instance, a Zulu from South Africa has more in common, genetically speaking, with someone from northern Europe than someone from Ethiopia. But you know, they're all black, so wotevva.
So what is your definiton with race then? Sub species? Would you consider Neanderthal to be a separate race? And when is the cut off point.
You're talking about species
If two organisms cannot interbreed, they are separate species.
I have no idea if Neanderthal man could interbreed with you... wanna find out?
Now, the second part of your question is about racism.
Racism assumes that characteristics - temperamental, cultural, physical or mental characteristics - are innate to a 'race' and are carried from one generation to the next.
This is, of course, bollocks.
it's proven not to be though. The people who live on Tibet have been able to handle oxgen deprivation far better than Europeans for example and we know that melanin protects against harsh sunlight and lack of melanin makes the absorption of Vit D much easier.
"So? | |||
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"People seem to get confused with racist, xenophobia and prejudice. " Well I do. I would lump racism and xenophobia together. prejudice is based on anything i.e class / accent / dress style Is xenophobia just country based? Or hatred of people who play the xylophone? | |||
"according to google racist means thinking one race is superior to another. Yeah, but race is a bullshit concept How? Obviously racial prejudice is wrong, but how do those races not exist? If that's what you mean. OK, are you sitting comfortably? Racism exists. Race does not. Race, as we understand it, is an early modern creation. As Europeans explored and conquered the globe they found all these funny coloured, 'inferior' peoples. And in keeping with the 'scientific' methods of the times, sought to place these colours, these races in a hierarchy, with whites at the top, of course. (I'm truncating massively) We now know that the way we talk about race has no scientific validity. There is no genetic basis that corresponds with any particular group of people, no essentialist DNA for black people or white people or anyone. This is not a hippy ideal, it’s a fact. There are genetic characteristics that associate with certain populations, but none of these is exclusive, nor correspond uniquely with any one group that might fit a racial epithet. Regional adaptations are real, but these tend to express difference within so-called races, not between them. Sickle-cell anaemia affects people of all skin colours because it has evolved where malaria is common. Tibetans are genetically adapted to high altitude, rendering Chinese residents of Beijing more similar to Europeans than their superficially similar neighbours. Tay-Sachs disease, once thought to be a “Jewish disease”, is as common in French Canadians and Cajuns. And so it goes on. It's ironic - skin colour is a shite determinant of genetic difference. For instance, a Zulu from South Africa has more in common, genetically speaking, with someone from northern Europe than someone from Ethiopia. But you know, they're all black, so wotevva.
So what is your definiton with race then? Sub species? Would you consider Neanderthal to be a separate race? And when is the cut off point.
You're talking about species
If two organisms cannot interbreed, they are separate species.
I have no idea if Neanderthal man could interbreed with you... wanna find out?
"I have to disagree with that slightly, as different species can interbreed e.g. a tiger with a lion or a horse with a zebra but the result of their horny encounter will never be able to breed further. | |||
"Culture often goes hand in hand with race so white peoples culture is? There's not just one culture for whites just like there isn't for Asians." thankyou. 
not really got time (or the depth) for the forums tonight. but good luck discussing this everyone and i'm out. | |||
"Racism is the act of attributing a characteristic to an individual based on their skin color. Isn't that prejudice ? Human knowledge is based on experience. Our reactions to circumstances are based on previous experience. People are discriminated againt here for all reasons and it's ok. Your looks, body type, body hair, body art, age, sexual orientation etc etc. It's called the freedom of choice. If you are being 'discriminated' then it isn't freedom of choice Exactly. There's a difference between prejudice and discrimination. Prejudice is about the other person. Discrimination is about you. Discrimination is a natural part of survival. If you didn't discriminate between mushrooms and toadstools you'd be dead. Sorry , but we are talking about racial discrimination not what you choose for your breakfast , I'm saying that all forms of discrimination are natural human characteristics. I discriminate against thin women. I don't hate them or have anything against them. I'm just not attracted to them. I don't however say "All things women (fill in the blank)" that would be prejudiced. Having a preference for someone of a particular skin colour is simply not politically correct. But PC is just a matter of fashion. We stand up and shout the odds but what we really feel in our hearts shows when we vote. Refer here to the outcome of two big votes of 2016.
Are you suggesting that we are all racist ??"It's depends on your definition of racism. Did a person who was slated for his racially prejudicial views just win the american election? Yes. Would a majority of Americans admit to supporting a racist? Was the Brexit outcome derived from sound economic judgement or was it derived from an emotional response to foreigners? | |||
"according to google racist means thinking one race is superior to another. Yeah, but race is a bullshit concept How? Obviously racial prejudice is wrong, but how do those races not exist? If that's what you mean. OK, are you sitting comfortably? Racism exists. Race does not. Race, as we understand it, is an early modern creation. As Europeans explored and conquered the globe they found all these funny coloured, 'inferior' peoples. And in keeping with the 'scientific' methods of the times, sought to place these colours, these races in a hierarchy, with whites at the top, of course. (I'm truncating massively) We now know that the way we talk about race has no scientific validity. There is no genetic basis that corresponds with any particular group of people, no essentialist DNA for black people or white people or anyone. This is not a hippy ideal, it’s a fact. There are genetic characteristics that associate with certain populations, but none of these is exclusive, nor correspond uniquely with any one group that might fit a racial epithet. Regional adaptations are real, but these tend to express difference within so-called races, not between them. Sickle-cell anaemia affects people of all skin colours because it has evolved where malaria is common. Tibetans are genetically adapted to high altitude, rendering Chinese residents of Beijing more similar to Europeans than their superficially similar neighbours. Tay-Sachs disease, once thought to be a “Jewish disease”, is as common in French Canadians and Cajuns. And so it goes on. It's ironic - skin colour is a shite determinant of genetic difference. For instance, a Zulu from South Africa has more in common, genetically speaking, with someone from northern Europe than someone from Ethiopia. But you know, they're all black, so wotevva.
So what is your definiton with race then? Sub species? Would you consider Neanderthal to be a separate race? And when is the cut off point.
You're talking about species
If two organisms cannot interbreed, they are separate species.
I have no idea if Neanderthal man could interbreed with you... wanna find out?
Now, the second part of your question is about racism.
Racism assumes that characteristics - temperamental, cultural, physical or mental characteristics - are innate to a 'race' and are carried from one generation to the next.
This is, of course, bollocks.
it's proven not to be though. The people who live on Tibet have been able to handle oxgen deprivation far better than Europeans for example and we know that melanin protects against harsh sunlight and lack of melanin makes the absorption of Vit D much easier.
So?"You said physical characteristics aren't carried from generation to generation. | |||
"People seem to get confused with racist, xenophobia and prejudice. Well I do. I would lump racism and xenophobia together. prejudice is based on anything i.e class / accent / dress style Is xenophobia just country based? Or hatred of people who play the xylophone?" I think they are quite closely linked, but that's mainly due to people who are xenophobic expressing racist views about those coming from a different country. | |||
"according to google racist means thinking one race is superior to another. Yeah, but race is a bullshit concept How? Obviously racial prejudice is wrong, but how do those races not exist? If that's what you mean. OK, are you sitting comfortably? Racism exists. Race does not. Race, as we understand it, is an early modern creation. As Europeans explored and conquered the globe they found all these funny coloured, 'inferior' peoples. And in keeping with the 'scientific' methods of the times, sought to place these colours, these races in a hierarchy, with whites at the top, of course. (I'm truncating massively) We now know that the way we talk about race has no scientific validity. There is no genetic basis that corresponds with any particular group of people, no essentialist DNA for black people or white people or anyone. This is not a hippy ideal, it’s a fact. There are genetic characteristics that associate with certain populations, but none of these is exclusive, nor correspond uniquely with any one group that might fit a racial epithet. Regional adaptations are real, but these tend to express difference within so-called races, not between them. Sickle-cell anaemia affects people of all skin colours because it has evolved where malaria is common. Tibetans are genetically adapted to high altitude, rendering Chinese residents of Beijing more similar to Europeans than their superficially similar neighbours. Tay-Sachs disease, once thought to be a “Jewish disease”, is as common in French Canadians and Cajuns. And so it goes on. It's ironic - skin colour is a shite determinant of genetic difference. For instance, a Zulu from South Africa has more in common, genetically speaking, with someone from northern Europe than someone from Ethiopia. But you know, they're all black, so wotevva.
So what is your definiton with race then? Sub species? Would you consider Neanderthal to be a separate race? And when is the cut off point.
You're talking about species
If two organisms cannot interbreed, they are separate species.
I have no idea if Neanderthal man could interbreed with you... wanna find out?
I have to disagree with that slightly, as different species can interbreed e.g. a tiger with a lion or a horse with a zebra but the result of their horny encounter will never be able to breed further. "Human could also breed with more ape like hominids if they were still alive. Anything in the genus 'homo' and even slightly before that too i think. | |||
" I have to disagree with that slightly, as different species can interbreed e.g. a tiger with a lion or a horse with a zebra but the result of their horny encounter will never be able to breed further. " Disagree all you like but the union of those two species' are sterile and not a viable life form, ergo separate species. | |||
" Human could also breed with more ape like hominids if they were still alive. Anything in the genus 'homo' and even slightly before that too i think." That's true, I've been to Lancashire... | |||
"Now, the second part of your question is about racism. Racism assumes that characteristics - temperamental, cultural, physical or mental characteristics - are innate to a 'race' and are carried from one generation to the next. This is, of course, bollocks. it's proven not to be though. The people who live on Tibet have been able to handle oxgen deprivation far better than Europeans for example and we know that melanin protects against harsh sunlight and lack of melanin makes the absorption of Vit D much easier. So? You said physical characteristics aren't carried from generation to generation. " Ok, as I said, there's a lot of truncating going on here. I'm speaking of so-called inherited characteristics, like the fallacy that "all Chinese people are short, have bad teeth and eyesight" or the idea that "all black men have massive cocks." That kinda thing | |||
"Racism is the act of attributing a characteristic to an individual based on their skin color. Isn't that prejudice ? Human knowledge is based on experience. Our reactions to circumstances are based on previous experience. People are discriminated againt here for all reasons and it's ok. Your looks, body type, body hair, body art, age, sexual orientation etc etc. It's called the freedom of choice. If you are being 'discriminated' then it isn't freedom of choice Exactly. There's a difference between prejudice and discrimination. Prejudice is about the other person. Discrimination is about you. Discrimination is a natural part of survival. If you didn't discriminate between mushrooms and toadstools you'd be dead. Sorry , but we are talking about racial discrimination not what you choose for your breakfast , I'm saying that all forms of discrimination are natural human characteristics. I discriminate against thin women. I don't hate them or have anything against them. I'm just not attracted to them. I don't however say "All things women (fill in the blank)" that would be prejudiced. Having a preference for someone of a particular skin colour is simply not politically correct. But PC is just a matter of fashion. We stand up and shout the odds but what we really feel in our hearts shows when we vote. Refer here to the outcome of two big votes of 2016.
Are you suggesting that we are all racist ??
It's depends on your definition of racism.
Did a person who was slated for his racially prejudicial views just win the american election? Yes. Would a majority of Americans admit to supporting a racist?
Was the Brexit outcome derived from sound economic judgement or was it derived from an emotional response to foreigners?"*points and laughs* You mentioned Brexit first! YOU LOSE! | |||
" You said physical characteristics aren't carried from generation to generation. Ok, as I said, there's a lot of truncating going on here. I'm speaking of so-called inherited characteristics, like the fallacy that "all Chinese people are short, have bad teeth and eyesight" or the idea that "all black men have massive cocks." That kinda thing" It's incorrect to say ALL x are this. But Chinese people are shorter on average than Kenyans. Or are you saying you can't distinguish someone from China, Kenya, Sweden if the three were stood side by side?? That's not sympathizing to racism. To me denying race seems more racist. It exists, people have different characteristics, but don't be prejudicial on the basis of it. | |||
"Now, the second part of your question is about racism. Racism assumes that characteristics - temperamental, cultural, physical or mental characteristics - are innate to a 'race' and are carried from one generation to the next. This is, of course, bollocks. it's proven not to be though. The people who live on Tibet have been able to handle oxgen deprivation far better than Europeans for example and we know that melanin protects against harsh sunlight and lack of melanin makes the absorption of Vit D much easier. So? You said physical characteristics aren't carried from generation to generation. Ok, as I said, there's a lot of truncating going on here. I'm speaking of so-called inherited characteristics, like the fallacy that "all Chinese people are short, have bad teeth and eyesight" or the idea that "all black men have massive cocks." That kinda thing" If you said that ALL Chinese people look exactly the same you'd be racist. But if I told you tomorrow you'd be meeting my Chinese friend would you have an A Priori of a 6ft 6 blue eyed blonde? | |||
"Racism is the act of attributing a characteristic to an individual based on their skin color. Isn't that prejudice ? Human knowledge is based on experience. Our reactions to circumstances are based on previous experience. People are discriminated againt here for all reasons and it's ok. Your looks, body type, body hair, body art, age, sexual orientation etc etc. It's called the freedom of choice. If you are being 'discriminated' then it isn't freedom of choice Exactly. There's a difference between prejudice and discrimination. Prejudice is about the other person. Discrimination is about you. Discrimination is a natural part of survival. If you didn't discriminate between mushrooms and toadstools you'd be dead. Sorry , but we are talking about racial discrimination not what you choose for your breakfast , I'm saying that all forms of discrimination are natural human characteristics. I discriminate against thin women. I don't hate them or have anything against them. I'm just not attracted to them. I don't however say "All things women (fill in the blank)" that would be prejudiced. Having a preference for someone of a particular skin colour is simply not politically correct. But PC is just a matter of fashion. We stand up and shout the odds but what we really feel in our hearts shows when we vote. Refer here to the outcome of two big votes of 2016.
Are you suggesting that we are all racist ??
It's depends on your definition of racism.
Did a person who was slated for his racially prejudicial views just win the american election? Yes. Would a majority of Americans admit to supporting a racist?
Was the Brexit outcome derived from sound economic judgement or was it derived from an emotional response to foreigners?
*points and laughs*
You mentioned Brexit first!
YOU LOSE!
"Would you have preffered I mention how many people we killed in the slave trade? Or mention how many people we slaughtered when colonising the planet. Maybe mention the 14000 black Africans who died in Kitcheners concentration camps in the boer war.... I thought Brexit was being kind | |||
"Brexit voter" TBH I think this is unfair. Concerns about immigration dont make a person racist. | |||
"according to google racist means thinking one race is superior to another. Yeah, but race is a bullshit concept How? Obviously racial prejudice is wrong, but how do those races not exist? If that's what you mean. OK, are you sitting comfortably? Racism exists. Race does not. Race, as we understand it, is an early modern creation. As Europeans explored and conquered the globe they found all these funny coloured, 'inferior' peoples. And in keeping with the 'scientific' methods of the times, sought to place these colours, these races in a hierarchy, with whites at the top, of course. (I'm truncating massively) We now know that the way we talk about race has no scientific validity. There is no genetic basis that corresponds with any particular group of people, no essentialist DNA for black people or white people or anyone. This is not a hippy ideal, it’s a fact. There are genetic characteristics that associate with certain populations, but none of these is exclusive, nor correspond uniquely with any one group that might fit a racial epithet. Regional adaptations are real, but these tend to express difference within so-called races, not between them. Sickle-cell anaemia affects people of all skin colours because it has evolved where malaria is common. Tibetans are genetically adapted to high altitude, rendering Chinese residents of Beijing more similar to Europeans than their superficially similar neighbours. Tay-Sachs disease, once thought to be a “Jewish disease”, is as common in French Canadians and Cajuns. And so it goes on. It's ironic - skin colour is a shite determinant of genetic difference. For instance, a Zulu from South Africa has more in common, genetically speaking, with someone from northern Europe than someone from Ethiopia. But you know, they're all black, so wotevva. "When I am reading comments with more intellectual merit on Fab than I do on The Guardian/Telegraph, you know we're truly fucked. | |||
"Racism is the act of attributing a characteristic to an individual based on their skin color. " Or culture. White people can be racist toward other non indigenous white people | |||
"according to google racist means thinking one race is superior to another. Yeah, but race is a bullshit concept How? Obviously racial prejudice is wrong, but how do those races not exist? If that's what you mean. OK, are you sitting comfortably? Racism exists. Race does not. Race, as we understand it, is an early modern creation. As Europeans explored and conquered the globe they found all these funny coloured, 'inferior' peoples. And in keeping with the 'scientific' methods of the times, sought to place these colours, these races in a hierarchy, with whites at the top, of course. (I'm truncating massively) We now know that the way we talk about race has no scientific validity. There is no genetic basis that corresponds with any particular group of people, no essentialist DNA for black people or white people or anyone. This is not a hippy ideal, it’s a fact. There are genetic characteristics that associate with certain populations, but none of these is exclusive, nor correspond uniquely with any one group that might fit a racial epithet. Regional adaptations are real, but these tend to express difference within so-called races, not between them. Sickle-cell anaemia affects people of all skin colours because it has evolved where malaria is common. Tibetans are genetically adapted to high altitude, rendering Chinese residents of Beijing more similar to Europeans than their superficially similar neighbours. Tay-Sachs disease, once thought to be a “Jewish disease”, is as common in French Canadians and Cajuns. And so it goes on. It's ironic - skin colour is a shite determinant of genetic difference. For instance, a Zulu from South Africa has more in common, genetically speaking, with someone from northern Europe than someone from Ethiopia. But you know, they're all black, so wotevva.
OK, I get the Victorian ranking bullshit.
But you can have a good guess probably correct if someone is multi-generationally from Somalia or Peru or Greenland etc etc
People from different parts of the world have an 'average' to certain physical characteristics.
Branding people inferior because of that is racist, not saying it exists."But...no they wouldnt. Land, climate and weather in say, Somalia/Eritrea, is significantly different to the environment in a country like Congo. His point is a very good one, the concept of "black" or "white" lacks an immense amount of depth. Similarly, a slavic guy may look similar to say, a French guy, to the untrained eye...but they'll bear very little in the way of genetic or even cultural similarities. | |||
"Reading the forums i come across alot of race related threads that turn sour There does seem to be some divide even if its sub-conscious My question is what do you class as racist?" A racist is a thick hater looking for a reason (in their tiny brain) to hate | |||
"according to google racist means thinking one race is superior to another. Yeah, but race is a bullshit concept How? Obviously racial prejudice is wrong, but how do those races not exist? If that's what you mean. OK, are you sitting comfortably? Racism exists. Race does not. Race, as we understand it, is an early modern creation. As Europeans explored and conquered the globe they found all these funny coloured, 'inferior' peoples. And in keeping with the 'scientific' methods of the times, sought to place these colours, these races in a hierarchy, with whites at the top, of course. (I'm truncating massively) We now know that the way we talk about race has no scientific validity. There is no genetic basis that corresponds with any particular group of people, no essentialist DNA for black people or white people or anyone. This is not a hippy ideal, it’s a fact. There are genetic characteristics that associate with certain populations, but none of these is exclusive, nor correspond uniquely with any one group that might fit a racial epithet. Regional adaptations are real, but these tend to express difference within so-called races, not between them. Sickle-cell anaemia affects people of all skin colours because it has evolved where malaria is common. Tibetans are genetically adapted to high altitude, rendering Chinese residents of Beijing more similar to Europeans than their superficially similar neighbours. Tay-Sachs disease, once thought to be a “Jewish disease”, is as common in French Canadians and Cajuns. And so it goes on. It's ironic - skin colour is a shite determinant of genetic difference. For instance, a Zulu from South Africa has more in common, genetically speaking, with someone from northern Europe than someone from Ethiopia. But you know, they're all black, so wotevva.
So what is your definiton with race then? Sub species? Would you consider Neanderthal to be a separate race? And when is the cut off point. "The more you post, the more it becomes apparent you get your "facts" from Stormfront. | |||
"according to google racist means thinking one race is superior to another. Yeah, but race is a bullshit concept How? Obviously racial prejudice is wrong, but how do those races not exist? If that's what you mean. OK, are you sitting comfortably? Racism exists. Race does not. Race, as we understand it, is an early modern creation. As Europeans explored and conquered the globe they found all these funny coloured, 'inferior' peoples. And in keeping with the 'scientific' methods of the times, sought to place these colours, these races in a hierarchy, with whites at the top, of course. (I'm truncating massively) We now know that the way we talk about race has no scientific validity. There is no genetic basis that corresponds with any particular group of people, no essentialist DNA for black people or white people or anyone. This is not a hippy ideal, it’s a fact. There are genetic characteristics that associate with certain populations, but none of these is exclusive, nor correspond uniquely with any one group that might fit a racial epithet. Regional adaptations are real, but these tend to express difference within so-called races, not between them. Sickle-cell anaemia affects people of all skin colours because it has evolved where malaria is common. Tibetans are genetically adapted to high altitude, rendering Chinese residents of Beijing more similar to Europeans than their superficially similar neighbours. Tay-Sachs disease, once thought to be a “Jewish disease”, is as common in French Canadians and Cajuns. And so it goes on. It's ironic - skin colour is a shite determinant of genetic difference. For instance, a Zulu from South Africa has more in common, genetically speaking, with someone from northern Europe than someone from Ethiopia. But you know, they're all black, so wotevva. "What Joe said... couldn't be arsed typing
Race is a bullshit concept all the same underneath | |||
" You said physical characteristics aren't carried from generation to generation. Ok, as I said, there's a lot of truncating going on here. I'm speaking of so-called inherited characteristics, like the fallacy that "all Chinese people are short, have bad teeth and eyesight" or the idea that "all black men have massive cocks." That kinda thing It's incorrect to say ALL x are this. But Chinese people are shorter on average than Kenyans. Or are you saying you can't distinguish someone from China, Kenya, Sweden if the three were stood side by side?? That's not sympathizing to racism. To me denying race seems more racist. It exists, people have different characteristics, but don't be prejudicial on the basis of it." No, what we're describing there is generations of malnutrition in the Chinese gene-pool. China has gotten wealthier and much better fed - watch its people grow. | |||
"People seem to get confused with racist, xenophobia and prejudice. " Great point. Alot of people forget this. For me, the problem with the racism that I see is that its largely based on colonial race science which came after the "third wave". Using erroneous aspects of evolutionary theory to justify racial "classification". Thats what has created so much of the fucked up ideas about race you see perpetuated in much of Western culture. Brexit was a little unique though, if there was unsavoury elements they were largely based on Xenephobia rather than out and out racism. Met plenty of Brexiteers who were not racist at all but instead were unhappy with the way globalism was shaping for them and the encroachment of foreign cultural identities. Even when looking at Brexit itself, its likely to do more harm to Southern and Eastern European immigration than it will deter skilled migrants/students from countries like China and India, who are largely already middle class. I always side eye people who claim they dont sleep/associate with XXXX race (and yes those who only sleep with black men too ) their racist attitudes always come out in the end. Always. | |||
" People from different parts of the world have an 'average' to certain physical characteristics. Branding people inferior because of that is racist, not saying it exists. But...no they wouldnt. Land, climate and weather in say, Somalia/Eritrea, is significantly different to the environment in a country like Congo. His point is a very good one, the concept of "black" or "white" lacks an immense amount of depth. Similarly, a slavic guy may look similar to say, a French guy, to the untrained eye...but they'll bear very little in the way of genetic or even cultural similarities." yeah I'm not saying we've got different DNA, I don't know how it works, and if that's how race is defined. Like your example, there is a physical difference to someone from Somalia, Congo and Morrocco. Very different 'average' appearances. (OK they aren't races, I don't actually know what the races in the world are.) All I'm saying is people have regional differences in appearance. What isn't ok is acting in a prejudiced way because of the differences. Cultural differences are different they are learned things that can change within years. But culture can be used as a prejuduce too. | |||
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"Somebody who is prejudiced against another person based 'solely' on their race or colour of their skin " Yep this. It's ok to say the word black in front of black people, or white in front of white people etc. It is not ok to dislike black people because they are black and vice versa etc. | |||
"Brexit voter" Great physique Hun! Well done you! | |||
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"Racism is the act of attributing a characteristic to an individual based on their skin color. Isn't that prejudice ? Human knowledge is based on experience. Our reactions to circumstances are based on previous experience. People are discriminated againt here for all reasons and it's ok. Your looks, body type, body hair, body art, age, sexual orientation etc etc. It's called the freedom of choice. If you are being 'discriminated' then it isn't freedom of choice Exactly. There's a difference between prejudice and discrimination. Prejudice is about the other person. Discrimination is about you. Discrimination is a natural part of survival. If you didn't discriminate between mushrooms and toadstools you'd be dead. Sorry , but we are talking about racial discrimination not what you choose for your breakfast , I'm saying that all forms of discrimination are natural human characteristics. I discriminate against thin women. I don't hate them or have anything against them. I'm just not attracted to them. I don't however say "All things women (fill in the blank)" that would be prejudiced. Having a preference for someone of a particular skin colour is simply not politically correct. But PC is just a matter of fashion. We stand up and shout the odds but what we really feel in our hearts shows when we vote. Refer here to the outcome of two big votes of 2016.
Are you suggesting that we are all racist ??
It's depends on your definition of racism.
Did a person who was slated for his racially prejudicial views just win the american election? Yes. Would a majority of Americans admit to supporting a racist?
Was the Brexit outcome derived from sound economic judgement or was it derived from an emotional response to foreigners?"Probably both, so the people who voted for BREXIT and Trump are racist? And those that didn't aren't? | |||
" Lots of great intellectual points here but... Better not to confuse these issues with sexual preferences. It's not racist if you just aren't attracted to certain things, could be Asians, black people, white, people with a turn in their eyes, that have bad dress sense or too much foreskin Let's not put preferences into that box please "Who are you suggesting has bad dress sense ? | |||
"Being nasty to people you meet because they arent white, of course everyone will say im wrong but thats my opinion anyway." Actually racism occurs within people of the same cultures and race as well its not only whites who are racists, blacks, Asians and in betweeners will discriminate against each other based on skin colour, social status and regional locations. Celts have all ganged up against the English, in India there is a class called the untouchables, in Japan they have the yikouza (don't hold me on the spelling), amongst the black community they have skin colour and location of origin. Hope this Expands ur view. pip | |||
" Lots of great intellectual points here but... Better not to confuse these issues with sexual preferences. It's not racist if you just aren't attracted to certain things, could be Asians, black people, white, people with a turn in their eyes, that have bad dress sense or too much foreskin Let's not put preferences into that box please
Who are you suggesting has bad dress sense ?"Don't know, you don't have any pictures
It was an example | |||
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"Probably the biggest indicator that what people say and they think aren't necessarily the same is the fact that both the Brexit vote and the American election were surprise results. Which means that even when being canvassed some people will say what they think is polically correct. " There probably is that element but also, a lot of people are hitting out at the establishment because they are sick of greedy self servicing politicians that are corporate and socially elite whores Just an opinion | |||
"Celts have all ganged up against the English " The Celts ganged up against the English????? First time I've heard that. | |||
" Lots of great intellectual points here but... Better not to confuse these issues with sexual preferences. It's not racist if you just aren't attracted to certain things, could be Asians, black people, white, people with a turn in their eyes, that have bad dress sense or too much foreskin Let's not put preferences into that box please
Who are you suggesting has bad dress sense ?
Don't know, you don't have any pictures
It was an example "Are you stereo typing | |||
" Lots of great intellectual points here but... Better not to confuse these issues with sexual preferences. It's not racist if you just aren't attracted to certain things, could be Asians, black people, white, people with a turn in their eyes, that have bad dress sense or too much foreskin Let's not put preferences into that box please
Who are you suggesting has bad dress sense ?
Don't know, you don't have any pictures
It was an example
Are you stereo typing "Ha ha damn it someone found out I'm a stylophobe !! | |||
"Reading the forums i come across alot of race related threads that turn sour There does seem to be some divide even if its sub-conscious My question is what do you class as racist?" Someone who constantly only sees one aspect of a person, i.e. Skin, religion, origins, sexuality, the list goes on | |||
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"Reading the forums i come across alot of race related threads that turn sour There does seem to be some divide even if its sub-conscious My question is what do you class as racist? Someone who constantly only sees one aspect of a person, i.e. Skin, religion, origins, sexuality, the list goes on " Proving that the word racism has totally lost its meaning and now covers any format of prejudice. | |||
"Celts have all ganged up against the English The Celts ganged up against the English????? First time I've heard that." The Welsh say English bastards, the scots say English scum bastards and the Irish well lol tats whole other colourful language I Wld assume lmao!! | |||
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"Is prejudice against a religion, classed as racists?" No. Religions can cut across all coundaries of class, country or colour... Unless they're Jews | |||
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"Is prejudice against a religion, classed as racists?" No that's just plane prejudice. Religion isn't defined by race. | |||
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"Why do so many people's profiles on here say no Asian or blacks?" Could be that they are not attracted to Asians or Blacks, same as some people are not attracted to fat, thin, bald, old, young, hairy, bi-sexual, kinky, etc etc etc!!! | |||
" Somebody who is prejudiced against another person based 'solely' on their race or colour of their skin Textbook" I happen to think there is a difference between prejudice and racism. Prejudice usually hinges on ignorance and can be innocent and not malicious. Whereas racism is malicious. | |||
"Only white people are racist
Well according to what you read here "Well it's usually (key word "usually") white people that have the superiority complex, which is in most cases the root of racism. Other races tend to be racist in a reactive sense. After all, if you persecute someone long enough you shouldn't be surprised if they hate you back. | |||
"Why do so many people's profiles on here say no Asian or blacks? It's a so called 'preference' "To be honest, some of it is genuine preference and some of it is racism but it's hard to distinguish. Maybe their profiles can be worded a bit better but hey, no one is perfect. In any case, it does a favour to whoever they don't want to meet. After all, who wants to be around someone that doesn't like them. | |||
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"Reading the forums i come across alot of race related threads that turn sour There does seem to be some divide even if its sub-conscious My question is what do you class as racist?" Before this turns into another political debate, as many are these days in the lounge, and blurs the lines between forums, I'd like to add my opinion into the mix. I have been posting on 'race related' threads for a long time, and people get shot down if they don't agree with the majority view here .... if your black, you have to play a certain role .... but you are damned if you do. Issues aren't treated seriously here, nor can there be any discussion without insults and people thinking they know better .... of course, I am a pc white woman who happens to have mixed race kids, so what do I know .... | |||
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"Political correctness has blurred the lines now to the point that by simply if you describe somebody by their most defining aspect you get considered racist/sexist or whatever Think if you have Jamie Redknapp, Lee Dixon and Ian Wright on a panel and you turn to somebody that doesn't know who they are an describe Mr Wright as 'the black guy' you risk getting funny looks" No, I don't think you will get funny looks for that. As has been said before, there's nothing wrong commenting on someone's appearance or colour. What is wrong is being prejudiced against them for that. That then implies then that you think just they are inferior to you and therefore you can treat them badly and anyhow you like. I rarely think twice when people describe me as the black guy or say you are Black. What I find weird is when it's obvious that white people want to say I am black but for some unknown reason, find it really difficult to utter the word black. I actually find it hilarious. | |||
"Is prejudice against a religion, classed as racists? No. Religions can cut across all coundaries of class, country or colour... Unless they're Jews "Hate to throw a spanner in the works, but Jews also cut across class, country and colour. Look up the Jews in Africa and other parts of of the world outside of Europe and the US and Israel. | |||
"The most racist profile on this website is a black woman's and if a white person copied and pasted her profile on to their own, but swapped the races, they'd be given a permanent ban. Im not going to get in to a big, drawn-out debate in response to some of the nonsensical views posted in here, as lefties can't be reasoned with. All I will say is that when you say things like "race is a social construct, we are all genetically the same", you know that people of other races are cringing at you just as hard as the evil racists are, right? You can't just say something that you think makes you sound like a nice person and claim it as scientific and anthropological fact. It is only white liberals that come out with this rubbish and it is incredibly patronising to the people of other races who are aware of and proud of their own race. " I agree with you - I have seen the profile and it makes me cringe. I am also very surprised that she hasn't been kicked off here. Peddling that BS should not be tolerated or given a platform anywhere let alone here. Secondly, race being a construct is a fact. If you do some research you will find that out for yourself. Just denying it flat out doesn't make it any less true. | |||
"The vast majority of us on this site are here to hopefully meet like minded people for sexual encounters. We, that is Gill and me only wish to have those encounters with people we find attractive. Our definition of attractive will, no doubt, be entirely different to others people's, but that is our choice. That choice rules out most of the world except the people who share their origins with the groupings from Western Europe. Unfortunately that exercise of choice is based on the very shallow principal of physical appearance, but it is OUR choice. That same exercise of choice also rules out thin ladies and men with very loud voices or people who don't wash or swear a lot. All things which put us off. We are sure that there are people who don't like my grey hair or the fact that I have a false tooth on a plate. All this items are a result of the exercise of choice. So are we racists or just people making choices. Did we mind Obama being in the White House? No, but the thought of Trump being there scares us shitless. Gill and Aitch" No. A preference doesn't make one racist. But your reasoning is intellectually dishonest. And you know it. Just had a quick peruse of your profile and I saw you mention "western European people". I mean, leaving out the fact that I am willing to bet cash one or both you ARE NOT western European, it's an odd statement to make. And it's steeped in political characterisations. U just can't really believe that you will state that and that it wouldn't come up in a topic of conversation that YOU will likely bring up. Secondly since when did "not minding Obama being in office" have anything to do with racism? Do you legit think voting for Obama makes one not racist?? And...why Obama? It's a peculiar thing to even have that much of an opinion of. Wrong? No. But...interesting. With anything...people talk of "choice" and I just tend to think they're full of air. I had a bi ex who would always talk about how unattractive larger women were and would go out of her way to tell me about her lack of sexual interest in them...but then it turned out she used to be a large girl herself and was insecure about it. One thing which drives me kinda mad about us humans is how we spend so much time trying to rationalise our weakness when we only end up looking incredibly transparent. | |||
"Reading the forums i come across alot of race related threads that turn sour There does seem to be some divide even if its sub-conscious My question is what do you class as racist?" It's a bit like the offside rule. It changes every season. | |||
"Political correctness has blurred the lines now to the point that by simply if you describe somebody by their most defining aspect you get considered racist/sexist or whatever Think if you have Jamie Redknapp, Lee Dixon and Ian Wright on a panel and you turn to somebody that doesn't know who they are an describe Mr Wright as 'the black guy' you risk getting funny looks" exactly.people are too scared to say anything nowadays.ive worked with some eastern European guys,who are great guys,but there views about black(oh sorry),"coloured people",would be defined as being racist.  | |||
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"People moaning about political correctness always turns out to be those who do have some element of racism in them" Reading your previous post on what you deem makes a racist, it's nearly nearly everybody, including centre-right Tories. You clearly have a huge chip on your shoulder. | |||
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"Why do so many people's profiles on here say no Asian or blacks?" I often think BBC is just as racist. I mean anything that lumps people together purely on skin colour or ethnicity is showing prejudice rather than preference. I've played with people because I get on with them, not because they're black, Asian or white European or American. Conversley there are people from all the above groups who I wouldn't meet if they were the last people on earth - or free to meet that night. If the OP was talking about the seeming extension of the view as to people now considered racist, yes that is a problem. Closing down the discussion on the impact of migration for example, by getting back in your car and dismissing someone as a bigot, rather than explaining alternative points of view, has been very detrimental as we have seen on both sides of the Atlantic, this year. I shall now put my tn hat on and retire to a safe distance... | |||
"Being nasty to people you meet because they arent white, of course everyone will say im wrong but thats my opinion anyway." You're exactly right! | |||
"What's a racist.... People that still don't understand there is only one race; the Human one! So i care only for those who care for all as it don't matter the colour of skin, like it don't matter the colour of ones eye!" Oh wat a saying i agree with you totally "the human one" | |||
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"Brexit voter Now now, let's be civil about this " lol. | |||
"People moaning about political correctness always turns out to be those who do have some element of racism in them Reading your previous post on what you deem makes a racist, it's nearly nearly everybody, including centre-right Tories. You clearly have a huge chip on your shoulder. " Not really my freind its because people like me have stood up for years against racism and people like you see that as a threat. People like me eradicates racism and the nazi like regime which you wish to see in this country. If you have a problem with someone who has a skin colour different to you then I think you should look close to home and sort out your own people first I.e EDL NF BRITAIN FIRST BNP AND UKIP | |||
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"Reading the forums i come across alot of race related threads that turn sour There does seem to be some divide even if its sub-conscious My question is what do you class as racist? Somebody who is prejudiced against another person based 'solely' on their race or colour of their skin " | |||
"I am bi, short, bald and born overseas. Some people won't meet people with any of the above. Do I message them an moan that their personal preferences have offended me. No. I am grateful that they have taken the time to be honest so I don't waste my time barking up the wrong tree. But like someone once wrote. The youth used to be offended by injustice and be angry enough to change it. Today they're just offended by everything and that's something different. " | |||
