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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Hello fabbers,

So I'll start off by saying im not going to be everyones cup of tea... I fully understand that and im just trying my luck on here

But to those who might be interested I'm a virgin looking to meet with someone soon. Who will be the first? I'am looking for someone whos patient, understanding, honest, friendly and whos up for teaching me the ropes! as I have a lot of catching up to do.

Check out my profile for more info, that I havnt included on this post.

And yes I want to be thrown in the deep end...

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By *llywalesWoman  over a year ago

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Still trying then ? 3rd time you've posted this .

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By *anky_PankyWoman  over a year ago

Filthy Fuckeryville

Please don't take this the wrong way but I honestly think you are in the wrong place.....

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Still trying then ? 3rd time you've posted this . "

Yeh i know, how do you delete them? This time my profile and everything has been updated and feel like im ready now

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman  over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!


"Please don't take this the wrong way but I honestly think you are in the wrong place..... "

I don't think he is,it's a good a place as anything to lose his virginity

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Please don't take this the wrong way but I honestly think you are in the wrong place.....

I don't think he is,it's a good a place as anything to lose his virginity "

At least someones on my side, appreciated

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman  over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!


"Please don't take this the wrong way but I honestly think you are in the wrong place.....

I don't think he is,it's a good a place as anything to lose his virginity

At least someones on my side, appreciated "

Now if I wasn't old and you looked 35 and not 19 and were local I'd help you out

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Please don't take this the wrong way but I honestly think you are in the wrong place.....

I don't think he is,it's a good a place as anything to lose his virginity

At least someones on my side, appreciated

Now if I wasn't old and you looked 35 and not 19 and were local I'd help you out "

all good sweet, like i said im not everyones cup of tea. I will be messaging you in 16 years time though for sure

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman  over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman  over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!


"Please don't take this the wrong way but I honestly think you are in the wrong place.....

I don't think he is,it's a good a place as anything to lose his virginity

At least someones on my side, appreciated

Now if I wasn't old and you looked 35 and not 19 and were local I'd help you out

all good sweet, like i said im not everyones cup of tea. I will be messaging you in 16 years time though for sure "

I wouldn't for your sake I'd be really really old in 16 year's time

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Please don't take this the wrong way but I honestly think you are in the wrong place.....

I don't think he is,it's a good a place as anything to lose his virginity

At least someones on my side, appreciated

Now if I wasn't old and you looked 35 and not 19 and were local I'd help you out

all good sweet, like i said im not everyones cup of tea. I will be messaging you in 16 years time though for sure

I wouldn't for your sake I'd be really really old in 16 year's time "

hmm im sure I would, you seem nice enough. Older women arnt a problem with me

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

How far would you travel

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman  over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!


"Please don't take this the wrong way but I honestly think you are in the wrong place.....

I don't think he is,it's a good a place as anything to lose his virginity

At least someones on my side, appreciated

Now if I wasn't old and you looked 35 and not 19 and were local I'd help you out

all good sweet, like i said im not everyones cup of tea. I will be messaging you in 16 years time though for sure

I wouldn't for your sake I'd be really really old in 16 year's time

hmm im sure I would, you seem nice enough. Older women arnt a problem with me "

I seem nice 'enough',that's it you can keep your virginity

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"How far would you travel "

Manchester is treks for me sorry, you have very eye catching pics tho!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How far would you travel

Manchester is treks for me sorry, you have very eye catching pics tho! "

I wasn't offering. I was asking how far you would travel to lose it. Thank you BTW and good luck in your search x

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Please don't take this the wrong way but I honestly think you are in the wrong place.....

I don't think he is,it's a good a place as anything to lose his virginity

At least someones on my side, appreciated

Now if I wasn't old and you looked 35 and not 19 and were local I'd help you out

all good sweet, like i said im not everyones cup of tea. I will be messaging you in 16 years time though for sure

I wouldn't for your sake I'd be really really old in 16 year's time

hmm im sure I would, you seem nice enough. Older women arnt a problem with me

I seem nice 'enough',that's it you can keep your virginity "

now now, you dont want to be making any irrational decisions there love

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I'm a fab virgin does that count

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"How far would you travel

Manchester is treks for me sorry, you have very eye catching pics tho! I wasn't offering. I was asking how far you would travel to lose it. Thank you BTW and good luck in your search x"

undecided at the moment, depends on the person i guess. distance can be a problem though x

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I'm a fab virgin does that count "

hmm questionable

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How far would you travel

Manchester is treks for me sorry, you have very eye catching pics tho! I wasn't offering. I was asking how far you would travel to lose it. Thank you BTW and good luck in your search x

undecided at the moment, depends on the person i guess. distance can be a problem though x"

I'm sure you will find someone local enough and for God's sake remember condoms. Becoming a father could be the least of your problems lol. X

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By *ohnjones3210Man  over a year ago

Chester

Ermmmmmm... I'm not being funny but why the hell would you want to lose your virginity on here? Go out, meet people, mess about with different women, you're young and free!!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Ermmmmmm... I'm not being funny but why the hell would you want to lose your virginity on here? Go out, meet people, mess about with different women, you're young and free!!!"

I feel that if im more experienced I would be more confident and then i could do that?

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman  over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!


"How far would you travel

Manchester is treks for me sorry, you have very eye catching pics tho! I wasn't offering. I was asking how far you would travel to lose it. Thank you BTW and good luck in your search x

undecided at the moment, depends on the person i guess. distance can be a problem though x"

Be a typical teenager and ask your parents to ferry you around

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman  over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!


"Ermmmmmm... I'm not being funny but why the hell would you want to lose your virginity on here? Go out, meet people, mess about with different women, you're young and free!!!"

I don't understand what the difference is in him messing around on here rather than going to a pub. Surely to an extent this is going to be easier for him if he's a little reserved.

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By *icecouple561Couple  over a year ago
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East Sussex


"Ermmmmmm... I'm not being funny but why the hell would you want to lose your virginity on here? Go out, meet people, mess about with different women, you're young and free!!!"

Why not? He can meet people and "mess about" with different women here.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Ermmmmmm... I'm not being funny but why the hell would you want to lose your virginity on here? Go out, meet people, mess about with different women, you're young and free!!!

I don't understand what the difference is in him messing around on here rather than going to a pub. Surely to an extent this is going to be easier for him if he's a little reserved."

at least he knows women want sex on here. I'd say it's a good thing for him to start if he can find someone x

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"How far would you travel

Manchester is treks for me sorry, you have very eye catching pics tho! I wasn't offering. I was asking how far you would travel to lose it. Thank you BTW and good luck in your search x

undecided at the moment, depends on the person i guess. distance can be a problem though x

Be a typical teenager and ask your parents to ferry you around "

this when i know youre joking oh yeh and pucker up and accept my add

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By *icecouple561Couple  over a year ago
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East Sussex


"Ermmmmmm... I'm not being funny but why the hell would you want to lose your virginity on here? Go out, meet people, mess about with different women, you're young and free!!!

I feel that if im more experienced I would be more confident and then i could do that?"

You will find that the women on fab are not much different to the women you will meet out and about. Your experiences here might turn out to be very similar to any you have in the outside world.

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman  over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!


"Ermmmmmm... I'm not being funny but why the hell would you want to lose your virginity on here? Go out, meet people, mess about with different women, you're young and free!!!

I don't understand what the difference is in him messing around on here rather than going to a pub. Surely to an extent this is going to be easier for him if he's a little reserved. at least he knows women want sex on here. I'd say it's a good thing for him to start if he can find someone x"

I agree

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Thanks for the support you lot!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How far would you travel

Manchester is treks for me sorry, you have very eye catching pics tho! I wasn't offering. I was asking how far you would travel to lose it. Thank you BTW and good luck in your search x

undecided at the moment, depends on the person i guess. distance can be a problem though x

Be a typical teenager and ask your parents to ferry you around "

Or train it's cheap

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Please don't take this the wrong way but I honestly think you are in the wrong place.....

I don't think he is,it's a good a place as anything to lose his virginity "

You helping then

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman  over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!


"How far would you travel

Manchester is treks for me sorry, you have very eye catching pics tho! I wasn't offering. I was asking how far you would travel to lose it. Thank you BTW and good luck in your search x

undecided at the moment, depends on the person i guess. distance can be a problem though x

Be a typical teenager and ask your parents to ferry you around

this when i know youre joking oh yeh and pucker up and accept my add "

No you've got one private pic and it's probably not showing your face!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Please don't take this the wrong way but I honestly think you are in the wrong place.....

I don't think he is,it's a good a place as anything to lose his virginity

At least someones on my side, appreciated

Now if I wasn't old and you looked 35 and not 19 and were local I'd help you out

all good sweet, like i said im not everyones cup of tea. I will be messaging you in 16 years time though for sure

I wouldn't for your sake I'd be really really old in 16 year's time

hmm im sure I would, you seem nice enough. Older women arnt a problem with me "

We would politely imagine that in your circumstances no one is a problem for you!

Seeing as you have posted this three times you have made yourself look a little desperate.

Good luck

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Please don't take this the wrong way but I honestly think you are in the wrong place.....

I don't think he is,it's a good a place as anything to lose his virginity

At least someones on my side, appreciated

Now if I wasn't old and you looked 35 and not 19 and were local I'd help you out

all good sweet, like i said im not everyones cup of tea. I will be messaging you in 16 years time though for sure

I wouldn't for your sake I'd be really really old in 16 year's time

hmm im sure I would, you seem nice enough. Older women arnt a problem with me

We would politely imagine that in your circumstances no one is a problem for you!

Seeing as you have posted this three times you have made yourself look a little desperate.

Good luck"

Yep the others need to be deleted, I do still have a choice though with who i meet

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By *ohnjones3210Man  over a year ago

Chester


"Ermmmmmm... I'm not being funny but why the hell would you want to lose your virginity on here? Go out, meet people, mess about with different women, you're young and free!!!

I feel that if im more experienced I would be more confident and then i could do that?"

Nahhh man!!! Just mess about! Just have fun!

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By *appychap20000Man  over a year ago

cannock

I'm a wanna be virgin lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How far would you travel "

Damn! I'd certainly travel

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

BUMP!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Please don't take this the wrong way but I honestly think you are in the wrong place.....

I don't think he is,it's a good a place as anything to lose his virginity

At least someones on my side, appreciated

Now if I wasn't old and you looked 35 and not 19 and were local I'd help you out

all good sweet, like i said im not everyones cup of tea. I will be messaging you in 16 years time though for sure

I wouldn't for your sake I'd be really really old in 16 year's time

hmm im sure I would, you seem nice enough. Older women arnt a problem with me

We would politely imagine that in your circumstances no one is a problem for you!

Seeing as you have posted this three times you have made yourself look a little desperate.

Good luck

Yep the others need to be deleted, I do still have a choice though with who i meet"

But do you?

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Please don't take this the wrong way but I honestly think you are in the wrong place.....

I don't think he is,it's a good a place as anything to lose his virginity

At least someones on my side, appreciated

Now if I wasn't old and you looked 35 and not 19 and were local I'd help you out

all good sweet, like i said im not everyones cup of tea. I will be messaging you in 16 years time though for sure

I wouldn't for your sake I'd be really really old in 16 year's time

hmm im sure I would, you seem nice enough. Older women arnt a problem with me

We would politely imagine that in your circumstances no one is a problem for you!

Seeing as you have posted this three times you have made yourself look a little desperate.

Good luck

Yep the others need to be deleted, I do still have a choice though with who i meet

But do you?"

What I meant was, I do have the option to turn people away. As someone said " that in your circumstances no one is a problem for you!"

but yes as you can tell i am struggling

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Please don't take this the wrong way but I honestly think you are in the wrong place.....

I don't think he is,it's a good a place as anything to lose his virginity

At least someones on my side, appreciated

Now if I wasn't old and you looked 35 and not 19 and were local I'd help you out

all good sweet, like i said im not everyones cup of tea. I will be messaging you in 16 years time though for sure

I wouldn't for your sake I'd be really really old in 16 year's time

hmm im sure I would, you seem nice enough. Older women arnt a problem with me

We would politely imagine that in your circumstances no one is a problem for you!

Seeing as you have posted this three times you have made yourself look a little desperate.

Good luck

Yep the others need to be deleted, I do still have a choice though with who i meet

But do you?

What I meant was, I do have the option to turn people away. As someone said " that in your circumstances no one is a problem for you!"

but yes as you can tell i am struggling "

Just look after yourself. You are setting yourself up for a fail. Don't do it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"

But do you?

What I meant was, I do have the option to turn people away. As someone said " that in your circumstances no one is a problem for you!"

but yes as you can tell i am struggling

Just look after yourself. You are setting yourself up for a fail. Don't do it."

Thanks for the support man I'll look after my self though for sure don't worry

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

We have seen many people who struggle to get sex come on here looking.

Let's face it swingers have sex with anyone don't they??

Well that seems the perception of some people doesn't it?

When they find out it isn't the case, the moaning starts.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"We have seen many people who struggle to get sex come on here looking.

Let's face it swingers have sex with anyone don't they??

Well that seems the perception of some people doesn't it?

When they find out it isn't the case, the moaning starts."

Well either way I'm at the right place arnt I?

But like I said before in the post I fully understand why women arnt interested and that they are mainly after experience, I get that.

Ive been on for all most a year now. Sometimes on and off but never once have I moaned

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Hello fabbers,

So I'll start off by saying im not going to be everyones cup of tea... I fully understand that and im just trying my luck on here

But to those who might be interested I'm a virgin looking to meet with someone soon. Who will be the first? I'am looking for someone whos patient, understanding, honest, friendly and whos up for teaching me the ropes! as I have a lot of catching up to do.

Check out my profile for more info, that I havnt included on this post.

And yes I want to be thrown in the deep end... "

OP what are you looking for on this site? If you do want your first time to be with a stranger for NSA I'd advise you to go for a social and really try to find someone who is going to respect you and be prepared to act as your friend rather than just a fuck.

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By *eedsmale36Man  over a year ago

Leeds


"Please don't take this the wrong way but I honestly think you are in the wrong place.....

I don't think he is,it's a good a place as anything to lose his virginity

At least someones on my side, appreciated

Now if I wasn't old and you looked 35 and not 19 and were local I'd help you out

all good sweet, like i said im not everyones cup of tea. I will be messaging you in 16 years time though for sure

I wouldn't for your sake I'd be really really old in 16 year's time "

But still very fuckable

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Good luck OP.

If you were user miss would pop your cherry no prob

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"We have seen many people who struggle to get sex come on here looking.

Let's face it swingers have sex with anyone don't they??

Well that seems the perception of some people doesn't it?

When they find out it isn't the case, the moaning starts.

Well either way I'm at the right place arnt I?

But like I said before in the post I fully understand why women arnt interested and that they are mainly after experience, I get that.

Ive been on for all most a year now. Sometimes on and off but never once have I moaned"

good lad, you stand your ground

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Good luck OP.

If you were user miss would pop your cherry no prob "

Distance sucks! Had this problem a few time now

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

What's the rush dude? I lost my virginity at the age of 29. No Big deal.

It happens when it happens.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"What's the rush dude? I lost my virginity at the age of 29. No Big deal.

It happens when it happens. "

I know and its definitely not a problem!

I just would rather start soonish and see what its like being with all types if women. I'd like to say im not your usual type of virgin and i know that I have a major kinky side....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"What's the rush dude? I lost my virginity at the age of 29. No Big deal.

It happens when it happens.

I know and its definitely not a problem!

I just would rather start soonish and see what its like being with all types if women. I'd like to say im not your usual type of virgin and i know that I have a major kinky side...."

What is a "normal type of virgin?"

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"What's the rush dude? I lost my virginity at the age of 29. No Big deal.

It happens when it happens.

I know and its definitely not a problem!

I just would rather start soonish and see what its like being with all types if women. I'd like to say im not your usual type of virgin and i know that I have a major kinky side....

What is a "normal type of virgin?""

For starters you don't come across many on here? And also another main factor is i do love an older women. Realistically 25+

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Going to have to BUMP this again oops

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman  over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!

Gotta do what ya gotta do

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I seriously feel that you would have more luck on a Saturday night in your local club. A lot of woman here prefer a more experienced guy, that's what they are looking for. I think you will struggle to get what you want from here. Personally I would be worried about sleeping with a virgin due to risk of his attachment and everyone remembers their first for good and bad reasons

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Gotta do what ya gotta do "

Your back here to pester me are you? to be fair I kinda like your company I can't lie!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"What's the rush dude? I lost my virginity at the age of 29. No Big deal.

It happens when it happens.

I know and its definitely not a problem!

I just would rather start soonish and see what its like being with all types if women. I'd like to say im not your usual type of virgin and i know that I have a major kinky side...."

So you are here to see what it is like being with all types of women.

A tall order really to be honest, expecting all kinds of women to want to have sex with you on here.

We bet a lot of single guys on here wish that was true about all kinds of women wanting sex with them, but just maybe in our opinion you have a completely wrong idea of swingers.

Good luck.

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By *inkyChrissy99TV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol

If you fancy playing with a TV then message me x

I'd be happy to help you keep your 'straight' virginity if you want hehe lol

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By *ophieslutTV/TS  over a year ago

Central

If you're persistent, flexible in your approach and learn from feedback, you've every chance of making it here. . Good luck!

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"If you fancy playing with a TV then message me x

I'd be happy to help you keep your 'straight' virginity if you want hehe lol"

Sorry not quite my thing! And nope I won't be needing your help anytime soon

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"If you're persistent, flexible in your approach and learn from feedback, you've every chance of making it here. . Good luck! "

I'm trying to digest all the feedback I can but some of its not all going down. I appreciate this though, thanks

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By *inkyChrissy99TV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol


"If you fancy playing with a TV then message me x

I'd be happy to help you keep your 'straight' virginity if you want hehe lol

Sorry not quite my thing! And nope I won't be needing your help anytime soon "

Lol, each to there own- good luck finding a nice lady x

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"If you fancy playing with a TV then message me x

I'd be happy to help you keep your 'straight' virginity if you want hehe lol

Sorry not quite my thing! And nope I won't be needing your help anytime soon

Lol, each to there own- good luck finding a nice lady x"

Too right! Thanks, I'm sure I'll come across a nice girl at one point x

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"What's the rush dude? I lost my virginity at the age of 29. No Big deal.

It happens when it happens.

I know and its definitely not a problem!

I just would rather start soonish and see what its like being with all types if women. I'd like to say im not your usual type of virgin and i know that I have a major kinky side....

So you are here to see what it is like being with all types of women.

A tall order really to be honest, expecting all kinds of women to want to have sex with you on here.

We bet a lot of single guys on here wish that was true about all kinds of women wanting sex with them, but just maybe in our opinion you have a completely wrong idea of swingers.

Good luck.

"

Give over. It's a great place to meet all kinds of ladies and couples sure you'll do ok op.

Not sure how many the whole virgin bit will interest but beyond that, this place can be great for meeting lots of folk and realising fantasy

Enjoy

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"What's the rush dude? I lost my virginity at the age of 29. No Big deal.

It happens when it happens.

I know and its definitely not a problem!

I just would rather start soonish and see what its like being with all types if women. I'd like to say im not your usual type of virgin and i know that I have a major kinky side....

So you are here to see what it is like being with all types of women.

A tall order really to be honest, expecting all kinds of women to want to have sex with you on here.

We bet a lot of single guys on here wish that was true about all kinds of women wanting sex with them, but just maybe in our opinion you have a completely wrong idea of swingers.

Good luck.

Give over. It's a great place to meet all kinds of ladies and couples sure you'll do ok op.

Not sure how many the whole virgin bit will interest but beyond that, this place can be great for meeting lots of folk and realising fantasy

Enjoy "

It hasnt interested too many people, as you can already tell haha. If it has they are half way across the country

Patience is a virtue -- at the moment...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

OP do you go to the gym?

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"OP do you go to the gym? "

Never really been, used to do loads of sport a few years back. I guess I am a little bit on the skinny side though

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"OP do you go to the gym?

Never really been, used to do loads of sport a few years back. I guess I am a little bit on the skinny side though"

I'd say. Go to pubs and clubs. Drink more ale, meet more women.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"OP do you go to the gym?

Never really been, used to do loads of sport a few years back. I guess I am a little bit on the skinny side though

I'd say. Go to pubs and clubs. Drink more ale, meet more women. "

Solid advice there! More into my beer myself ive tried this, its definitly not as easy as it seems, you need confidence to start somewhere

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Get yourself down the parlour??

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"OP do you go to the gym?

Never really been, used to do loads of sport a few years back. I guess I am a little bit on the skinny side though

I'd say. Go to pubs and clubs. Drink more ale, meet more women.

Solid advice there! More into my beer myself ive tried this, its definitly not as easy as it seems, you need confidence to start somewhere "

It takes alot more confidence to fuck a stranger sober than to meet women after a couple of pints.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"OP do you go to the gym?

Never really been, used to do loads of sport a few years back. I guess I am a little bit on the skinny side though

I'd say. Go to pubs and clubs. Drink more ale, meet more women.

Solid advice there! More into my beer myself ive tried this, its definitly not as easy as it seems, you need confidence to start somewhere

It takes alot more confidence to fuck a stranger sober than to meet women after a couple of pints."

I guess! If I'm honest I just won't to get thrown in the deep end

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Until the next time, padawan.

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman  over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!


"Until the next time, padawan."

Wonder if it's still as a virgin though...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Until the next time, padawan.

Wonder if it's still as a virgin though..."

Ooooo! There's a thought! He might come strutting back in as cool as John travolta!

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman  over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!


"Until the next time, padawan.

Wonder if it's still as a virgin though...

Ooooo! There's a thought! He might come strutting back in as cool as John travolta! "

I do hope so,go out and lose that virginity boy in the filthiest way possible

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