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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

So following on from recent threads about separating TS/TV there appeared to be a lot of confusion around some of the terms used. So in the spirit or education and learning, what do you think are the basics that people should know?

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By *drenaline rushMan over a year ago

Burnley

Everyone has different views and opinions. One common misconception is that all tv are bi/gay simply not true

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

"Everyone has different views and opinions. One common misconception is that all tv are bi/gay simply not true "

Ok, good start, lets myth bust that one. So a TV can be straight bi or gay right? Is that the same for CDs?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think people are exhausted with this thread as it went 'viral' yesterday !!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Always remember a tv and a ts are men !! So if you meet either your not straight

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Always remember a tv and a ts are men !! So if you meet either your not straight "
Not quite, what about if the women was born a woman but wanted a penis to a transexual? You would then technically be straight. As she was 100% female.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So following on from recent threads about separating TS/TV there appeared to be a lot of confusion around some of the terms used. So in the spirit or education and learning, what do you think are the basics that people should know? "

Sensitive nipples,

always work out the ground rules regarding the "front" before play (ruins the mood if you do it during)

Cellulite free bums,

Very clean bum holes.

Perfect beautiful soft skin

Thats the main areas i think

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Everyone has different views and opinions. One common misconception is that all tv are bi/gay simply not true

Ok, good start, lets myth bust that one. So a TV can be straight bi or gay right? Is that the same for CDs? "

Technically speaking CD is just simplified english for TV

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nothing transphobic going on here , it's fact that if a a human is born with a dick and balls it's a bloke lol end of discussion

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Nothing transphobic going on here , it's fact that if a a human is born with a dick and balls it's a bloke lol end of discussion

You're ill educated if you believe that. Luckily, you are able to change that though

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

hope that's cleared it up

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

but theres folk that ALWAYS get involved in these kinds of debates and despite them saying their not transphobic ,its clear to most they are.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are transphobic comments against the rules?"

Apparently not!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If its born with a cock it's a bloke.

Tbf you look like you were born with one too.

This

Ah always the same pick on the pretty girl.

ah get over it,,lol"

You look great hun better then most on here id even let you borrow my shoes but I'm only size 5.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Always remember a tv and a ts are men !! So if you meet either your not straight "

So if a man meets a genetic female who is either a tv or TS you're not straight?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Always remember a tv and a ts are men !! So if you meet either your not straight

So if a man meets a genetic female who is either a tv or TS you're not straight?

alchera,,,,is that foreign,,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Always remember a tv and a ts are men !! So if you meet either your not straight

So if a man meets a genetic female who is either a tv or TS you're not straight?

"
Just what I thought as well.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If its born with a cock it's a bloke. your 100% right lol"

Actually YOU'RE 100% wrong lol.

Still, I don't suppose that you can expect much else from an uneducated bigot

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I like how this has gone tits up already with comments like "it's still a bloke" being thrown around. Nice idea OP, I'm sure I could stand to learn a few things and educate myself better - but ignorant tossers always have to come along and sidetrack topics like this

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

this is a fun thread

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Your!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Nothing transphobic going on here , it's fact that if a a human is born with a dick and balls it's a bloke lol end of discussion

My sisters best friend that she went through primary and secondary school with as a boy, a boy that was gay and was allowed to sleep over the girls houses. Remember when they were 15 and they went to download festival and they came back and the boy was spewing in my mums and sobbing his heart out and I didn't know what the hell had gone on, my sister told me that he had sex with a girl (first time) and it broke his heart, he felt disgusted and was physically ill from it. Fast forward 5 years and he or she has had her birth certuficate changed by law to show her sex as female, she's had counselling and various psychological assessments. She was put on hormones by her gp which made her breasts develop and the dick to shrink, she's now had a boob job and is in the process of having all the male business equipment taken away. She was genuinely a girl born in a boys body.

It happens and easily so and if you know anything about biology and chromosomes. You'll a know an XX is female and an XY is male. The woman only produces X chromosomes and the sex is determined by the male sperm it will either be an X that fertilises the egg this making the embreo a female or it will be a Y which makes the embreo a male. That's why men have nipples and they don't need them because they could easily have been a female. A clit is an undeveloped penis which would have grown had it been a boy and the ridge above your mouth is the last thing that forms on an embreo and is the reason why some people have clef flip and palette. (That's not related to this but as we're talking about biology)

Source fucking me a hyperthymesic highly superior autobiographical memory machine of a woman!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Tv ,ts, cd etc, we are all human beings ,shoud be treated with repsect..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Tv ,ts, cd etc, we are all human beings ,shoud be treated with repsect.."

yea but ya gotta laugh

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

BTW,,,,happy new year when it comes folks,xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"BTW,,,,happy new year when it comes folks,xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Happy 2016 to you too. xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"BTW,,,,happy new year when it comes folks,xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Happy 2016 to you too. xx"

you too,x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Always remember a tv and a ts are men !! So if you meet either your not straight "

Always remember that TV's and TS's might have been born women or intersex.

"Men" don't have the monopoly on those terms.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Enjoying the gin Mikki?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The solution is quite simple,,,, all it needs is for people to take responsibility for providing clear profile information that specifically identifies what they offer and expect of their membership of this site,,,

Don't leave the task of defining who are to someone-else....

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

I know, I stopped looking at the thread for a couple of minutes and look what happens!

oh well, those who start a thread cannot control which direction it takes. "

You should know what happens to threads about:

Married men

Ethnicity

Bi Men

TV/TS

Men pay more to enter clubs

I'm leaving

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By *bsinthe_boyMan over a year ago

Luton

Gender is a spectrum. Most people, probably 95%, are clearly male or female and happy in their gender role.

But a significant number of people are not. some are "trans" in that they genuinely feel they were born with the wrong genitals. They might "transition" to live as a woman (Male to Female or MTF) or as a man (Female to Male FTM). They might take hormones to act, look and sound more like the gender they feel is appropriate to them. They might have surgery (gender reassignment surgery, formerly known as a sex change).

To me, once someone has started seriously transitioning and living in their "new" gender then they are that gender regardless of what is between their legs.

There are also people who don't feel they are male or female, they are "non binary". And there are people who are "gender fluid" who's feelings on their own gender change.

Some women are born with dicks. some men are born with vaginas. Get over it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Enjoying the gin Mikki?"

eh,,nope,,,,whats up with you

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By *bsinthe_boyMan over a year ago

Luton

To add to my post above, trans people might be gay, straight or bi. Just like everyone else.

TV is "transvestite", a person who enjoys wearing the clothes of the other gender....so a man who likes wearing clothes traditionally associated with women (dresses, skirts, lingerie perhaps) or a woman who wears masculine clothing (business suits, for example).

They also might be straight, gay or bi. Some people simply get a kick out of cross dressing.

I don't identify as trans or TV/CD (crossresser). I'm a man born with a penis who enjoys wearing clothes sold in the menswear department. But I am not narrow minded. The human race is made up of lots of different types of people and the trans and TV/CD people are not doing any harm.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Enjoying the gin Mikki?

eh,,nope,,,,whats up with you"

oh n I don't drink gin,,brandy n ,,yes, but its way too early.

don't judge people by yer own standards dear

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By *heOwlMan over a year ago

Altrincham

"Nothing transphobic going on here , it's fact that if a a human is born with a dick and balls it's a bloke lol end of discussion

Source fucking me a hyperthymesic highly superior autobiographical memory machine of a woman!"

Hmm from a biological perspective, particularly genetic, it could be argued that men are incomplete women anyway, as some of the genetic material that is not present on the Y chromasome contributes to the processing of testosterone to oestrogen and the subsequent bodily changes.

So perhaps it is time we stopped looking at our species through binary goggles and accepted that there is potentially a spectrum from male to female, just as there is with sexuality, race etc.

Those not at either end of the scale should certainly not be viewed as "it" or simply the closest pole their genetalia could indicate. Perhaps we don't have the correct terms to hand, and it's about time we did, but more respect is certainly needed.

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

1)Is transsexual the same as transgender, or is there a subtle difference?

2)If you are a post op transexual, are you still a transexual, or have you then transitioned into your new gender?

3) how many letters are meant to be after LGBT these days, and what do they mean?

4) when I was growing up, queer was another word for homosexual, is it still that, or does it have another meaning now?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

labels labels ,,,,blahhhhhhhh

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By *issHottieBottieWoman over a year ago

Kent

"Nothing transphobic going on here , it's fact that if a a human is born with a dick and balls it's a bloke lol end of discussion

So a persons genitals define their gender???

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

why does it always become a slagging match,,pathetic

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Gender is a spectrum. Most people, probably 95%, are clearly male or female and happy in their gender role.

To me, once someone has started seriously transitioning and living in their "new" gender then they are that gender regardless of what is between their legs.

There are also people who don't feel they are male or female, they are "non binary". And there are people who are "gender fluid" who's feelings on their own gender change.

Some women are born with dicks. some men are born with vaginas. Get over it."

Your rational, considered comments aren't welcome in this thread. Stick to one line insults please.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"1)Is transsexual the same as transgender, or is there a subtle difference?

2)If you are a post op transexual, are you still a transexual, or have you then transitioned into your new gender?

3) how many letters are meant to be after LGBT these days, and what do they mean?

4) when I was growing up, queer was another word for homosexual, is it still that, or does it have another meaning now?

1. Transexual is usually considered to be an old fashioned word for what is now termed transgender. Some consider it a little offensive.

2. Some people retain the identifier 'transgender' after they have completed transitioning, some people don't. It's really down to the individual.

3. It depends on the context. Sometimes you might see it written as LGBTQ*

L - Lesbian

G - Gay

B - Bisexual

T - Transgender

Q - Queer

* - Intersex

4. Queer has a few different meanings depending on the individual. Most loosely, it's a term for anything not cisgender or heterosexual.

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By *bsinthe_boyMan over a year ago

Luton

As I understand it "transexual" specifically refers to someone who has or wishes to transition. "Transgender" refers to all people who don't fit into that binary box of "male born with a dick" and "female born with a pussy"...so that includes gender fluid and non-binary people.

Please someone correct me if I am wrong, I am not an expert but I have tried to learn about people.

LGBT - Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans

Sometimes now there is a Q added for "queer" or a + added (as in LGBT+) to indicate that people of all genders and sexualities are being included.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you want big labels go to TK Maxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you want big labels go to TK Maxx "

Congratulations for not understanding people at all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you want big labels go to TK Maxx

Congratulations for not understanding people at all."

no he has a point ,some smashing bargains too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If its born with a cock it's a bloke. your 100% right lol

Actually YOU'RE 100% wrong lol.

Still, I don't suppose that you can expect much else from an uneducated bigot

So says the bloke in a wig.

I must say yours looks very convincing

No, I think yours is much classier; hers looks like dead cat

mine is a dead cat

Not yours, you silly moo

no,,,seriously MINE is a dead cat

Actually, it was my cat you killed and skinned

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If its born with a cock it's a bloke. your 100% right lol

Actually YOU'RE 100% wrong lol.

Still, I don't suppose that you can expect much else from an uneducated bigot

So says the bloke in a wig.

I must say yours looks very convincing

No, I think yours is much classier; hers looks like dead cat

mine is a dead cat

Not yours, you silly moo

no,,,seriously MINE is a dead cat

Actually, it was my cat you killed and skinned

oh please you,ve never had a pussy,,so stop it right now

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By *bsinthe_boyMan over a year ago

Luton

Labels can be both helpful and negative. But on the whole human beings like to label things....and other human beings.

Gender is something we are still generally coming to understand. Because the vast majority of people are identifiably male or female, the idea that some might be "something else" has taken time to catch on.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you want big labels go to TK Maxx

Congratulations for not understanding people at all."

What?

Was meant to be a pro comment that people are worth more and labels shouldn't be the be all and end all.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"1)Is transsexual the same as transgender, or is there a subtle difference?"

I am probably going to get this wrong but I think transgender means all people who at some time feel some discomfort with their birth-assigned gender. Transsexual, which is now an out-dated term, means someone who is truly born with certain brain functions of the opposite gender. There are some scientific papers of experiments and research on the subject and one can Google these; quite an interesting read

"2)If you are a post op transexual, are you still a transexual, or have you then transitioned into your new gender"

Anatomically and physiologically that person is now the new gender, so either male or female. Legally, the position is unclear as was demonstrated in a thread a couple of months ago about the female prisoner

To be legally recognised in the new gender, they have to make applications which are either approved or rejected. I don't know how or why they are rejected but apparently these are sometimes rejected

"3) how many letters are meant to be after LGBT these days, and what do they mean?"

At work, we have a LGBTIQA group

The I is for Intersex

The Q is for Queer (which I thought was an offensive term but apparently it is not)

The A is for Asexual

I don't fully understand what these all mean

"4) when I was growing up, queer was another word for homosexual, is it still that, or does it have another meaning now?

No idea

[ I hope I haven't offended anyone with my limited understanding and if I have, then I apologise in advance ]

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By *irkby coupleCouple over a year ago

Kirkby

Reading this has put a smile on my face, I thought a swinging site you be full of laid back people, but there are some people on here who seem to be offended very easy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Reading this has put a smile on my face, I thought a swinging site you be full of laid back people, but there are some people on here who seem to be offended very easy"

I think my bits are the best,,,,i mean my posts are the best

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By *bsinthe_boyMan over a year ago

Luton

"Queer" has, to some extent, been reclaimed but some people still find it offensive so I would never use the term unless I knew I was with people who are OK with it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Always remember a tv and a ts are men !! So if you meet either your not straight

So if a man meets a genetic female who is either a tv or TS you're not straight?

Don't confuse the poor guy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"1)Is transsexual the same as transgender, or is there a subtle difference?

2)If you are a post op transexual, are you still a transexual, or have you then transitioned into your new gender

To be legally recognised in the new gender, they have to make applications which are either approved or rejected. I don't know how or why they are rejected but apparently these are sometimes rejected

3) how many letters are meant to be after LGBT these days, and what do they mean?

At work, we have a LGBTIQA group

The I is for Intersex

The Q is for Queer (which I thought was an offensive term but apparently it is not)

The A is for Asexual

I don't fully understand what these all mean

4) when I was growing up, queer was another word for homosexual, is it still that, or does it have another meaning now?

No idea

[ I hope I haven't offended anyone with my limited understanding and if I have, then I apologise in advance ]"

Just picking up on one point you mentioned regarding brain function (stands by for the barrage of lack of brain jokes), we were discussing, (me and my wife) how I think and wondered if I had my brain scanned if it would appear to be a female response.

I've often been teased/bullied for not thinking like men do.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Always remember a tv and a ts are men !! So if you meet either your not straight

So if a man meets a genetic female who is either a tv or TS you're not straight?

Don't confuse the poor guy

But surely someone who has the confidence to make such a generalised statement must know what they're talking about?

No?

You think he might not realise that tv's and ts's can be born with female reproductive organs and grow breasts as they develop?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

ive just started a super thread bout sausages,,,mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Labels can be both helpful and negative. But on the whole human beings like to label things....and other human beings.

British humans are especially keen on labelling things. Other cultures, not so much...

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By *bsinthe_boyMan over a year ago

Luton

British humans are especially keen on labelling things. Other cultures, not so much... "

I would say that Western modern culture in general puts greater importance on gender than some other cultures do or have.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Reading this has put a smile on my face, I thought a swinging site you be full of laid back people, but there are some people on here who seem to be offended very easy"

It hasn't made me smile - it has made me more than a bit fed up! I hope swinging can be all about tolerance for others, liberated views and open-minded, live and let live attitudes. Sexual orientation and masculine and feminine traits are fascinating elements of each unique human being - find someone you have similar interests with and with whom there is mutual attraction.....negotiate your boundaries then enjoy exploring each other - why complicate it with labels and prejudices? m x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Enjoying the gin Mikki?

eh,,nope,,,,whats up with you

oh n I don't drink gin,,brandy n ,,yes, but its way too early.

don't judge people by yer own standards dear

Sorry Mikki, you just sounded rather...happy lol.

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By *obyn GravesTV/TS over a year ago

1127 walnut avenue

look there's really only one way to settle this

FIGHT!!!!!

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"1)Is transsexual the same as transgender, or is there a subtle difference?

2)If you are a post op transexual, are you still a transexual, or have you then transitioned into your new gender

To be legally recognised in the new gender, they have to make applications which are either approved or rejected. I don't know how or why they are rejected but apparently these are sometimes rejected

3) how many letters are meant to be after LGBT these days, and what do they mean?

At work, we have a LGBTIQA group

The I is for Intersex

The Q is for Queer (which I thought was an offensive term but apparently it is not)

The A is for Asexual

I don't fully understand what these all mean

4) when I was growing up, queer was another word for homosexual, is it still that, or does it have another meaning now?

No idea

[ I hope I haven't offended anyone with my limited understanding and if I have, then I apologise in advance ]

I've often been teased/bullied for not thinking like men do. "

I do not know if I am allowed to post outside links here, so I'll mention some of the studies

The male and female brain are not sooooo different from each other, but are "sexually dimorphic"

The three studies which pop up almost immediately if you use the correct search terms in Google are to do with:

1) Differences in the brain's white matter that clash with a person’s genetic sex

2) forceps minor

3) Olfactory functions

There are a few more studies but those went straight over my head

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Always remember a tv and a ts are men !! So if you meet either your not straight

So if a man meets a genetic female who is either a tv or TS you're not straight?

Don't confuse the poor guy

But surely someone who has the confidence to make such a generalised statement must know what they're talking about?

No?

You think he might not realise that tv's and ts's can be born with female reproductive organs and grow breasts as they develop?"

In all honesty I think too many people see it as exclusively male to female.

I'm a big believer in fab splitting CD/Tv from TS/TG...seen plenty of threads on the subject and I understand they're completely different....trying to explain things to people who either don't understand or don't want to understand is not easy....as this thread is unfortunately showing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Unfortunately with posts such as this your are always going to get imbecile bigots posting who have their opinions set in stone and want to cause trouble.

I am sure many of the People on this site who identify under TV/TS label will happily answer directly if people have questions, all that can be achieved from a post such as this is people opinions.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"ive just started a super thread bout sausages,,,mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm"

You just know it'll turn into a sausage fest. All those guy pork sword fighting. Party games of hide the sausage.....

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By *iss_Samantha_LovecockTV/TS over a year ago

bmth /poole sometimes blandford

i think most people with a brain know the difference by now ..dont really see the point in going over it all again..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you want big labels go to TK Maxx

Congratulations for not understanding people at all.

What?

Was meant to be a pro comment that people are worth more and labels shouldn't be the be all and end all."

And for other people, labels are very important to us because they help define us. When you are not 'the norm', your self-identified label helps you to find other people who might be like you or who might be interested in you.

If you don't have a 'label' then you might as well assume that you're white, cisgender, and heterosexual. Because that's the default norm.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

British humans are especially keen on labelling things. Other cultures, not so much...

I would say that Western modern culture in general puts greater importance on gender than some other cultures do or have."

It's not just gender, it's obsessed with defining everything into neat and tidy definitions. How else could you have tick box forms for everyone to fill out?

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"ive just started a super thread bout sausages,,,mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm"

I cannot comment on the sausage until I know precisely the type of sausage you are talking about

So, first thing first; we need a thread to come up with labels for sausages so that there are no misunderstandings

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"1)Is transsexual the same as transgender, or is there a subtle difference?

2)If you are a post op transexual, are you still a transexual, or have you then transitioned into your new gender

To be legally recognised in the new gender, they have to make applications which are either approved or rejected. I don't know how or why they are rejected but apparently these are sometimes rejected

3) how many letters are meant to be after LGBT these days, and what do they mean?

At work, we have a LGBTIQA group

The I is for Intersex

The Q is for Queer (which I thought was an offensive term but apparently it is not)

The A is for Asexual

I don't fully understand what these all mean

4) when I was growing up, queer was another word for homosexual, is it still that, or does it have another meaning now?

No idea

[ I hope I haven't offended anyone with my limited understanding and if I have, then I apologise in advance ]

I've often been teased/bullied for not thinking like men do.

I do not know if I am allowed to post outside links here, so I'll mention some of the studies

The male and female brain are not sooooo different from each other, but are "sexually dimorphic"

The three studies which pop up almost immediately if you use the correct search terms in Google are to do with:

1) Differences in the brain's white matter that clash with a person’s genetic sex

2) forceps minor

3) Olfactory functions

There are a few more studies but those went straight over my head

Well I know if I see shoes my pleasure endorphin release goes into overdrive

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By *adystephanieTV/TS over a year ago

glos

"ive just started a super thread bout sausages,,,mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I cannot comment on the sausage until I know precisely the type of sausage you are talking about

So, first thing first; we need a thread to come up with labels for sausages so that there are no misunderstandings

Bangers maybe....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"At work, we have a LGBTIQA group

The I is for Intersex

The Q is for Queer (which I thought was an offensive term but apparently it is not)

The A is for Asexual

I don't fully understand what these all mean"

Intersex - someone who is born with indeterminate genitals, sex characteristics that are of more than one gender, or with chromosomes that don't match the way that the person outwardly appears. (Roughly)

Queer - it's a bit like nigger. If I call a black man a nigger it's pretty offensive. If a black man calls his black friends niggers then it's appropriation and reclaimed. I don't like people calling me queer because it was once an insult. But I'm comfortable calling myself queer, and I'm comfortable calling my queer friends queer.

Asexual - not interested in sex or sexual relationships. Can still be romantically inclined.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not necessariy?..the sex chromosomes ie xx female and xy male determine the sex..sometimes there are mutations xxy etc....so where are we then ?

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

Thanks for those who have taken the time to answer my questions.

Would it be fair to say that quite a few of these terms are subjective and their definitions are not uniformly agreed upon? It seems as though one could easily cause unintended offense.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not necessariy?..the sex chromosomes ie xx female and xy male determine the sex..sometimes there are mutations xxy etc....so where are we then ?"

Intersex.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Always remember a tv and a ts are men !! So if you meet either your not straight "

How in gods name can someone get it so wrong like this guy??? Its not really that difficult people...a TV is just someone dressing as the opposite gender, a TS is someone who has undergone or is undergoing a change of gender. Jesus, its not fuckin rocket science. So many thickos on this site

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Anyone who makes a sweeping statement and then signs off with 'end of' is pretty much always wrong.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thanks for those who have taken the time to answer my questions.

Would it be fair to say that quite a few of these terms are subjective and their definitions are not uniformly agreed upon? It seems as though one could easily cause unintended offense."

No, generally the terms are pretty well agreed upon. Most of them are scientific terms, others are cultural. Some of them are still being established.

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By *heOwlMan over a year ago

Altrincham

"If you want big labels go to TK Maxx

Congratulations for not understanding people at all.

What?

Was meant to be a pro comment that people are worth more and labels shouldn't be the be all and end all.

If you don't have a 'label' then you might as well assume that you're white, cisgender, and heterosexual. Because that's the default norm."

Ah, but "the default norm" is also just a label, albeit one that is based on assumption.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"ive just started a super thread bout sausages,,,mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I cannot comment on the sausage until I know precisely the type of sausage you are talking about

So, first thing first; we need a thread to come up with labels for sausages so that there are no misunderstandings

Bangers maybe....

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By *adystephanieTV/TS over a year ago

glos

Simples.....I now consider myself well versed on the subject thanks to your input

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"ive just started a super thread bout sausages,,,mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I cannot comment on the sausage until I know precisely the type of sausage you are talking about

So, first thing first; we need a thread to come up with labels for sausages so that there are no misunderstandings

If it wasn't born in a butchers then it isn't a sausage. End of discussion.

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By *adystephanieTV/TS over a year ago

glos

"ive just started a super thread bout sausages,,,mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I cannot comment on the sausage until I know precisely the type of sausage you are talking about

So, first thing first; we need a thread to come up with labels for sausages so that there are no misunderstandings

Bangers maybe....

Ok I'll go sit in the shark tank myself

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By *adystephanieTV/TS over a year ago

glos

"ive just started a super thread bout sausages,,,mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I cannot comment on the sausage until I know precisely the type of sausage you are talking about

So, first thing first; we need a thread to come up with labels for sausages so that there are no misunderstandings

If it wasn't born in a butchers then it isn't a sausage. End of discussion. "

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

"i think most people with a brain know the difference by now ..dont really see the point in going over it all again.. "

It may seem that way to a member of that community, but to an outsider wanting to learn, not cause offense, and potentially be an ally to the community, there is still a lot to learn. Or perhaps I just don't have a brain?

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"At work, we have a LGBTIQA group

The I is for Intersex

The Q is for Queer (which I thought was an offensive term but apparently it is not)

The A is for Asexual

I don't fully understand what these all mean

Asexual - not interested in sex or sexual relationships. Can still be romantically inclined."

I actually know what asexual means but it is so more difficult to understand than even transgender. It is so outside of the understanding of the majority. But yes, New Scientist estimates that 1.3% of the population in the Western Hemisphere is Asexual

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By *heOwlMan over a year ago

Altrincham

Doesn't queer also get used to indicate fluidity sometimes?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"ive just started a super thread bout sausages,,,mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I cannot comment on the sausage until I know precisely the type of sausage you are talking about

So, first thing first; we need a thread to come up with labels for sausages so that there are no misunderstandings

If it wasn't born in a butchers then it isn't a sausage. End of discussion.

If you pull back the collagen and it's more than 30% meat - it's not a sausage. End of discussion.

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By *adystephanieTV/TS over a year ago

glos

"Not necessariy?..the sex chromosomes ie xx female and xy male determine the sex..sometimes there are mutations xxy etc....so where are we then ?"

Whoaaaa too much information xxx

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By *adystephanieTV/TS over a year ago

glos

"ive just started a super thread bout sausages,,,mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I cannot comment on the sausage until I know precisely the type of sausage you are talking about

So, first thing first; we need a thread to come up with labels for sausages so that there are no misunderstandings

If it wasn't born in a butchers then it isn't a sausage. End of discussion.

If you pull back the collagen and it's more than 30% meat - it's not a sausage. End of discussion. "

Poos little sausage .....sounds very painful to me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I actually know what asexual means but it is so more difficult to understand than even transgender. It is so outside of the understanding of the majority. But yes, New Scientist estimates that 1.3% of the population in the Western Hemisphere is Asexual"

It's quite simple? It just means you have no interest in sex.

In the same way that I have no interest in making jigsaws with my partner, asexual people have no interest in having sex with their partner.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

"1)Is transsexual the same as transgender, or is there a subtle difference?

2)If you are a post op transexual, are you still a transexual, or have you then transitioned into your new gender

To be legally recognised in the new gender, they have to make applications which are either approved or rejected. I don't know how or why they are rejected but apparently these are sometimes rejected

3) how many letters are meant to be after LGBT these days, and what do they mean?

At work, we have a LGBTIQA group

The I is for Intersex

The Q is for Queer (which I thought was an offensive term but apparently it is not)

The A is for Asexual

I don't fully understand what these all mean

4) when I was growing up, queer was another word for homosexual, is it still that, or does it have another meaning now?

No idea

[ I hope I haven't offended anyone with my limited understanding and if I have, then I apologise in advance ]

I've often been teased/bullied for not thinking like men do.

I do not know if I am allowed to post outside links here, so I'll mention some of the studies

The male and female brain are not sooooo different from each other, but are "sexually dimorphic"

The three studies which pop up almost immediately if you use the correct search terms in Google are to do with:

1) Differences in the brain's white matter that clash with a person’s genetic sex

2) forceps minor

3) Olfactory functions

There are a few more studies but those went straight over my head

Well I know if I see shoes my pleasure endorphin release goes into overdrive"

No, that just means that you are somehow related to Imelda Marcos; xxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Doesn't queer also get used to indicate fluidity sometimes?"

Yes it does.

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By *osieWoman over a year ago

Wembley

It's quite simple? It just means you have no interest in sex.

In the same way that I have no interest in making jigsaws with my partner, asexual people have no interest in having sex with their partner."

Yes, I understand the words. I just find it difficult to accept that there are people in this world who have absolutely no desire to have sex with anyone of any sex or sexuality, whatsoever, ever

But that is because I am not Asexual; an asexual person person probably has similar difficulties understanding me

Similarly, those who are not transgender, although do their best, sometimes have difficulty in understanding how, for example, one person can move between sexes (or is it genders; apologies if I got it wrong). This does not mean that it is not happening or that there is something wrong here. Just that it is outside the experience of the majority

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By *adystephanieTV/TS over a year ago

glos

All very confusing, not really sure what I am now.

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By *bsinthe_boyMan over a year ago

Luton

"All very confusing, not really sure what I am now.

You are you

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

"All very confusing, not really sure what I am now.

Blonde, I think you're blonde, I hope that helps

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

In the words of Gloria gaynor;

I am what I am and what I am is a mushroom

A pretty little mushroom

all 6'4" of me in my fave heels

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

O o O oo

Ok a few points.

To post on the forum you have to keep within the rules. Bad mouthing/ attacking posters no matter what the provocation will earn you a ban. If you think something breaks rules, report the post instead.

Mods are not here 24 hours a day and even if they were they are probably not going to be reading any posts that break rules as they are posted so please don't dispute what they do on the forum, give them a chance to actually read.

I said a long time ago that a thread like this would help dispel some myths but no one took the bait and started one , but I have to say, it gets to be a bit like the "fat people "threads, all you get is people making bitchy comments when you get someone making a comment you may not like and it really doesn't help.

Finally....lets have some respect for all users on the site, if you post to deliberately offend then you will probably find you can't post for a while.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ok a few points.

Finally....lets have some respect for all users on the site, if you post to deliberately offend then you will probably find you can't post for a while."

Please miss; Mikki has killed my cat

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By *ust RachelTV/TS over a year ago

Horsham

Crossdresser, they like to wear women's clothing for men, men's clothing for women, wether partly as in lingerie or fully dressed.

TV, they try to look convincing as in make up, shape wear, they look convincing as the sex they are trying to be.

Hope I have got this close.

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By *adystephanieTV/TS over a year ago

glos

"All very confusing, not really sure what I am now.

Blonde, I think you're blonde, I hope that helps

Brunette later but a few blonde highlights....confused me more now

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By *adystephanieTV/TS over a year ago

glos

"Ok a few points.

Finally....lets have some respect for all users on the site, if you post to deliberately offend then you will probably find you can't post for a while."

Sorry

I shall behave x

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By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

That escalated quickly.

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By *adystephanieTV/TS over a year ago

glos

"That escalated quickly.

No idea why

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *oretta DelamonteTV/TS over a year ago

Birmingham

"Always remember a tv and a ts are men !! So if you meet either your not straight "
Crap.

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By *oretta DelamonteTV/TS over a year ago

Birmingham

"Crossdresser, they like to wear women's clothing for men, men's clothing for women, wether partly as in lingerie or fully dressed.

TV, they try to look convincing as in make up, shape wear, they look convincing as the sex they are trying to be.

Transsexual, these are the people who feel they are in the wrong body. They need to go through a lot to be allowed to be given gender reassignment treatment. Calling these a TV can be an insult as they feel they are not trying to be something. Pretty close, baby. But they do not 'feel ' they are in the wrong body. Science has proved they are. I was once asked why I 'Chose' to be transexual. I told him , I have no more choise than a blind man choises to be blind ( and we have a higher suicide rate than they do.).

Hope I have got this close."

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By *bsinthe_boyMan over a year ago

Luton

"Always remember a tv and a ts are men !! So if you meet either your not straight Crap."

Indeed utter crap.

A straight guy can be attracted to a TV because they look feminine.

A TS (eg MTF) is a woman in my book regardless of what equipment she has between her legs. Of course it's important to know if play or dating is on the cards...but she's all woman as far as I am concerned.

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By *oretta DelamonteTV/TS over a year ago

Birmingham

"i think most people with a brain know the difference by now ..dont really see the point in going over it all again..

"
'That community?? where have you been living? I have more straight friends (10 years) than ts you need to get out more. lol.

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By *oretta DelamonteTV/TS over a year ago

Birmingham

"I think people are exhausted with this thread as it went 'viral' yesterday !!"
I am exhausted with it.x

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Always remember a tv and a ts are men !! So if you meet either your not straight "

I'm not sure all would agree with that statement.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Always remember a tv and a ts are men !! So if you meet either your not straight

I'm not sure all would agree with that statement."

I had to read it three times just to bloody understand it. Interesting how some people have managed to master the science of sexuality but not GCSE-level punctuation.

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By *issyfaggotfayeTV/TS over a year ago

Bolton

In amongst all this debate..........is there any guy who wants their cock sucked,.or gurl want their pussy or ass fucking?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"but theres folk that ALWAYS get involved in these kinds of debates and despite them saying their not transphobic ,its clear to most they are."

I always feel these whateverphobic words are unhelpful. To me a phobia is something that scares you not something you don't like or disapprove of. Personally I think much better words would be transdemure and/or homodemure.

In my youth people often used to tell me I was homophobic and I always disagreed with them. If they had told me I was homedemure I would have understood what they meant and might have learned the error of my ways sooner.

For the record I still consider myself straight just not home or trans demure any more.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"but theres folk that ALWAYS get involved in these kinds of debates and despite them saying their not transphobic ,its clear to most they are."

I'm not transphobic.

I ALWAYS get involved in these threads.

I'm so confused

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Reading this has put a smile on my face, I thought a swinging site you be full of laid back people, but there are some people on here who seem to be offended very easy

I think my bits are the best,,,,i mean my posts are the best"

Personally I think your other bits are pretty good to but being straight who am I to say ( we all have to make sacrifices to hold onto our labels you know ) .

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By *hloe sussexTV/TS over a year ago

Larne

It's a wonderful world with ppl into different things why pigeon hole it ,just have fun and love who you want xxx

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"ive just started a super thread bout sausages,,,mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I cannot comment on the sausage until I know precisely the type of sausage you are talking about

So, first thing first; we need a thread to come up with labels for sausages so that there are no misunderstandings

If it wasn't born in a butchers then it isn't a sausage. End of discussion. "

How about the 'sausage' in a McDonald's 'pancake & sausage' breakfast or the 'sausage & egg McMuffin'. They're not even sausage shaped ffs. How does that work?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"ive just started a super thread bout sausages,,,mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I cannot comment on the sausage until I know precisely the type of sausage you are talking about

So, first thing first; we need a thread to come up with labels for sausages so that there are no misunderstandings

If it wasn't born in a butchers then it isn't a sausage. End of discussion.

How about the 'sausage' in a McDonald's 'pancake & sausage' breakfast or the 'sausage & egg McMuffin'. They're not even sausage shaped ffs. How does that work?"

Well since I said "end of discussion" nobody is allowed to present counter evidence or have a different opinion.

But since you bring it up, they aren't really sausages and they are meat balls in denial.

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By *razedcatMan over a year ago

London / Herts

As human beings, we're inclined, obsessively so, to pigeon hole things. Everything has to be labelled, in its own neat category, otherwise we get all scared and start blaming things on the devil and witchcraft. But in reality, having strict categories for most things isn't really that important.

For my own purposes, I think of transvestites as those who have assumed the identity of a female, but not on a biological level. I'm contrast, transsexuals have gone one step further, undergoing surgery or taking hormones so tat they more closely resemble the archetypal female - whatever that is

But that's just me

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By *razedcatMan over a year ago

London / Herts

Ugh, I should stop using fab on my phone. So many misspellings...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

TV's. men who get turned on wearing women's clothes.

TS's. men who believe they are really women.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"1)Is transsexual the same as transgender, or is there a subtle difference?

2)If you are a post op transexual, are you still a transexual, or have you then transitioned into your new gender?

3) how many letters are meant to be after LGBT these days, and what do they mean?

4) when I was growing up, queer was another word for homosexual, is it still that, or does it have another meaning now?

1. Transexual is usually considered to be an old fashioned word for what is now termed transgender. Some consider it a little offensive.

2. Some people retain the identifier 'transgender' after they have completed transitioning, some people don't. It's really down to the individual.

3. It depends on the context. Sometimes you might see it written as LGBTQ*

L - Lesbian

G - Gay

B - Bisexual

T - Transgender

Q - Queer

* - Intersex

4. Queer has a few different meanings depending on the individual. Most loosely, it's a term for anything not cisgender or heterosexual."

Thanks for that. I wont lie uts always confused me. But this puts it in simple terms

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By *adystephanieTV/TS over a year ago

glos

"As human beings, we're inclined, obsessively so, to pigeon hole things. Everything has to be labelled, in its own neat category, otherwise we get all scared and start blaming things on the devil and witchcraft. But in reality, having strict categories for most things isn't really that important.

But that's just me

Pretty accurate I'd say x

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By *adystephanieTV/TS over a year ago

glos

"Ok a few points.

Finally....lets have some respect for all users on the site, if you post to deliberately offend then you will probably find you can't post for a while.

Sorry

I shall behave x"

Oh and after viewing the most appalling and bias editing of a post I totally withdraw my apology ....

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

"i think most people with a brain know the difference by now ..dont really see the point in going over it all again..

'That community?? where have you been living? I have more straight friends (10 years) than ts you need to get out more. lol."

I'm not suggesting that anyone who is trans wouldn't have straight friends. I'm saying that I don't currently have any trans friends, colleagues or associates. I used to have a trans lecturer in college that I was very close to, but these kind of topics and questions were never discussed. No one in my circle of friends is trans, no one in my family is, no one I work with is either. I haven't deliberately engineered it so, thats just the way it is. In the same vein I could ask you how many Burmese people you know, I wouldn't be surprised if the answer was none, but I also wouldn't assume that you have something against Burmese people or thst you were deliberately excluding them from your life. You say get out more, but to me in would feel inauthentic an disingenuous to seek someone out to become friends with based purely because they were transgender.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But that's just me

Pretty accurate I'd say x"

Not accurate at all.

That only deals with male to female. There are also female to male individuals, which everyone forgets.

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By *bsinthe_boyMan over a year ago

Luton

That only deals with male to female. There are also female to male individuals, which everyone forgets."

Not everyone, female to males have been mentioned in this thread.

Our current culture does consider gender important, some cultures past and present less so.

I do think that each individual also has their own internal understanding of how important another person's gender is to them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But that's just me

Pretty accurate I'd say x

Not accurate at all.

That only deals with male to female. There are also female to male individuals, which everyone forgets."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Nothing transphobic going on here , it's fact that if a a human is born with a dick and balls it's a bloke lol end of discussion

Source fucking me a hyperthymesic highly superior autobiographical memory machine of a woman!"

Your point is?

I am aware of conditions of extra X or Y chromosomes existing. It would be interesting if every person who have undergone medical treatment to become the opposite gender, had a dna test to look at the sex chromosome "pair".

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Nothing transphobic going on here , it's fact that if a a human is born with a dick and balls it's a bloke lol end of discussion

So a persons genitals define their gender???"

No. Without dna testing, it simply indicates biological sex. Sex and gender are different.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Reading this has put a smile on my face, I thought a swinging site you be full of laid back people, but there are some people on here who seem to be offended very easy

Labels and stereotyping are important aspects. It would be impossible to live and face every situation as brand new. Labels and stereotyping give us a point to start from and expand our knowledge appropriately. Sadly this can sometimes err and knowledge isn't expanded and prejudices are formed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Nothing transphobic going on here , it's fact that if a a human is born with a dick and balls it's a bloke lol end of discussion

Source fucking me a hyperthymesic highly superior autobiographical memory machine of a woman!

Your point is?

I'd be happy to be tested. The result won't sway me either way but it'd be interesting to see the results.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Always remember a tv and a ts are men !! So if you meet either your not straight "

I very much,beg to differ.

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By *bsinthe_boyMan over a year ago

Luton

Some men have vaginas. Some women have cocks. Get over it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It'll be a strong man who meets a girl with a cock and says he's still straight...

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By *heOwlMan over a year ago

Altrincham

"It'll be a strong man who meets a girl with a cock and says he's still straight..."

Why whould they need to be 'strong'? Surely all that is required would be for there to be an attraction between the people involved. Straight/not straight really doesn't figure in it.

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By *adystephanieTV/TS over a year ago

glos

"It'll be a strong man who meets a girl with a cock and says he's still straight...

Why whould they need to be 'strong'? Surely all that is required would be for there to be an attraction between the people involved. Straight/not straight really doesn't figure in it."

Truly a wise Owl

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By *bsinthe_boyMan over a year ago

Luton

I have met and played with one woman who had a cock...though she no longer has it she did when we played. That does not magically make me attracted to men.

I am not in the least bit attracted to men. I find women attractive, regardless of what bits they were born with.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It'll be a strong man who meets a girl with a cock and says he's still straight...

Why whould they need to be 'strong'? Surely all that is required would be for there to be an attraction between the people involved. Straight/not straight really doesn't figure in it.

Truly a wise Owl

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It wasnt about attraction purposes it was about what people should know,our only post stated that if someone drops their trousers and there is a penis there then its a man,that guys is only a fact and no matter how strong your argument is ,it is only a man in a dress.

You often see really butch lesbians in mens clothes with another pretty/semi pretty lesbian but the clothing and the rolled up cigarette behind the butch girls ear does not make her a male either similar to a man donning a dress.

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By *bsinthe_boyMan over a year ago

Luton

No. Some women are born with penises and some men are born with vaginas.

Gender is absolutely not defined by what one has between one's legs but just as much, if not more, by what one has between one's ears.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This thread makes me really thankful that my brain doesnt care about peoples genitals.

All the experiences I'd have missed out on, the people the placesn, the acts. Not to mention the seemingly unending stream of hate id have to hold for other people and thier choice of partners genitals.

Thats a lot of work I couldnt be arsed to deal with

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This thread makes me really thankful that my brain doesnt care about peoples genitals.

Thats a lot of work I couldnt be arsed to deal with "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No. Some women are born with penises and some men are born with vaginas.

Gender is absolutely not defined by what one has between one's legs but just as much, if not more, by what one has between one's ears.

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If you cannot see its a penis then we have to question your mind state in all honesty,if you have stuck your cock up an arse that had a penis on the other side of the body and you still call it a female then there really isnt much of a discussion to be had

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No. Some women are born with penises and some men are born with vaginas.

Gender is absolutely not defined by what one has between one's legs but just as much, if not more, by what one has between one's ears.

If you cannot see its a penis then we have to question your mind state in all honesty,if you have stuck your cock up an arse that had a penis on the other side of the body and you still call it a female then there really isnt much of a discussion to be had"

What if said penis is now a vagina?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No. Some women are born with penises and some men are born with vaginas.

Gender is absolutely not defined by what one has between one's legs but just as much, if not more, by what one has between one's ears.

What if said penis is now a vagina?"

I've seen the results of this op. Very good results.

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By *bsinthe_boyMan over a year ago

Luton

"No. Some women are born with penises and some men are born with vaginas.

Gender is absolutely not defined by what one has between one's legs but just as much, if not more, by what one has between one's ears.

No there clearly isn't much discussion.

It's not that I cannot see the penis. It is that some women are born with a penis.

Look up gender on the interwebs, you might broaden your mind and learn something

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

What do you call a cisgendered male who doesn't want to have sex with anyone with a penis?

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By *bsinthe_boyMan over a year ago

Luton

"What do you call a cisgendered male who doesn't want to have sex with anyone with a penis? "

It depends on if they would have sex with a trans man who doesn't have a penis. If the answer is "yes" they they might be bi or gay with a preference for trans men.

Gender is not defined by what a person has between their legs. This has been understood in academic and medical circles since the 1950s, and was probably better understood by some ancient societies.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No. Some women are born with penises and some men are born with vaginas.

Gender is absolutely not defined by what one has between one's legs but just as much, if not more, by what one has between one's ears.

What if said penis is now a vagina?"
We would have to let you know that it is not a real vagina.....inside there will be no womb,the owner will not be able to bear children.....because its a man who has had his penis cut off

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

"What do you call a cisgendered male who doesn't want to have sex with anyone with a penis?

It depends on if they would have sex with a trans man who doesn't have a penis. If the answer is "yes" they they might be bi or gay with a preference for trans men.

Gender is not defined by what a person has between their legs. This has been understood in academic and medical circles since the 1950s, and was probably better understood by some ancient societies."

And if the answer is no?

I understand the sex and gender difference, but if a cis-man, had sex with a man with a vagina, why is that homosexual, rather than homogender?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What do you call a cisgendered male who doesn't want to have sex with anyone with a penis?

It depends on if they would have sex with a trans man who doesn't have a penis. If the answer is "yes" they they might be bi or gay with a preference for trans men.

Gender is not defined by what a person has between their legs. This has been understood in academic and medical circles since the 1950s, and was probably better understood by some ancient societies.

And if the answer is no?

I understand the sex and gender difference, but if a cis-man, had sex with a man with a vagina, why is that homosexual, rather than homogender? "

We are in no way labelling people or bashing them for their sexuality ...were just commenting on our observations of ts/tv....seriously if there is a penis involved then its a guy,men that shag men in a dress then they can claim to be whatever sexuality they like as it really does not bother us either way but we would call it homosexuality which is fine if they are both that way inclined

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By *bsinthe_boyMan over a year ago

Luton

I can only speak for myself but I am not attracted to men, be they cis or trans. So a man who is attracted to trans men would surely be either bi or gay? If he's attracted to women too (regardless of their "bits") then I would say he is bi. If he's only attracted to men then I would she he's gay.

But then you can have sex with one man as an experiment and still be straight.

I am hete

exible. Not attracted to men at all and don't even know what people find attractive about us men...but been known to play in a MMF or group situation.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No. Some women are born with penises and some men are born with vaginas.

Gender is absolutely not defined by what one has between one's legs but just as much, if not more, by what one has between one's ears.

What if said penis is now a vagina?We would have to let you know that it is not a real vagina.....inside there will be no womb,the owner will not be able to bear children.....because its a man who has had his penis cut off"

Ah, I see.

So you're only a woman if you can have children.

My aunt will be delighted to know that - she was born without a uterus. I believe she's still a woman though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What do you call a cisgendered male who doesn't want to have sex with anyone with a penis?

It depends on if they would have sex with a trans man who doesn't have a penis. If the answer is "yes" they they might be bi or gay with a preference for trans men.

Gender is not defined by what a person has between their legs. This has been understood in academic and medical circles since the 1950s, and was probably better understood by some ancient societies.

And if the answer is no?

I understand the sex and gender difference, but if a cis-man, had sex with a man with a vagina, why is that homosexual, rather than homogender?

There's really not alot of point in trying to make you understand things, is there?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No. Some women are born with penises and some men are born with vaginas.

Gender is absolutely not defined by what one has between one's legs but just as much, if not more, by what one has between one's ears.

Not every woman has a womb either

Also pretty sure I'd never be able to tell under normal circumstances if there is a womb or nkt.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No. Some women are born with penises and some men are born with vaginas.

Gender is absolutely not defined by what one has between one's legs but just as much, if not more, by what one has between one's ears.

Not every woman has a womb either

Also pretty sure I'd never be able to tell under normal circumstances if there is a womb or nkt."

Tsk tsk.

Don't you get up inside someones vagina with a torch before you put your willy in there? I thought everyone did that...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What do you call a cisgendered male who doesn't want to have sex with anyone with a penis? "

Boring?

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

So perhaps some people are only interested in gender, but not sex, and other people are interested in both sex and gender?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So perhaps some people are only interested in gender, but not sex, and other people are interested in both sex and gender?

I would venture that some people are only interested in particular *bodies* rather than 'sex'.

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

"So perhaps some people are only interested in gender, but not sex, and other people are interested in both sex and gender?

I would venture that some people are only interested in particular *bodies* rather than 'sex'. "

I'm really confused now! Help me catch up, what's the difference between sex (not intercourse) and bodies?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What do you call a cisgendered male who doesn't want to have sex with anyone with a penis?

It depends on if they would have sex with a trans man who doesn't have a penis. If the answer is "yes" they they might be bi or gay with a preference for trans men.

Gender is not defined by what a person has between their legs. This has been understood in academic and medical circles since the 1950s, and was probably better understood by some ancient societies.

And if the answer is no?

I understand the sex and gender difference, but if a cis-man, had sex with a man with a vagina, why is that homosexual, rather than homogender?

There's really not alot of point in trying to make you understand things, is there?

You're stuck in your views and refuse to open your mind to the world around you. As long as you're happy, I suppose. But I'd prefer personally that you stopped spouting your bigoted crap all over the forums because it's genuinely hurtful to some of us."
Dont read it....do not call us biggots as you do not know us,if you think our views are biggoted then report them , if your hurt by forum posts then please do not use the forum,were simply commenting and are entitled to our own view ,most peoples views on this we see as fucked up but we dont call them biggots!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So perhaps some people are only interested in gender, but not sex, and other people are interested in both sex and gender?

I would venture that some people are only interested in particular *bodies* rather than 'sex'.

I'm really confused now! Help me catch up, what's the difference between sex (not intercourse) and bodies? "

It's just a better way of putting it.

"Biological sex" can be a difficult thing to pin down. Some people are biologically female according to their chromosomes, but have been born with a fully functioning penis and no female sex characteristics.

Being attracted to a certain kind of *body* though (for instance - one with a penis and testicles, or one with breasts and a vagina) is an easier thing to quantify. There's no reliable way of measuring someones sex if you're not a doctor doing a blood test.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What do you call a cisgendered male who doesn't want to have sex with anyone with a penis?

It depends on if they would have sex with a trans man who doesn't have a penis. If the answer is "yes" they they might be bi or gay with a preference for trans men.

Gender is not defined by what a person has between their legs. This has been understood in academic and medical circles since the 1950s, and was probably better understood by some ancient societies.

And if the answer is no?

I understand the sex and gender difference, but if a cis-man, had sex with a man with a vagina, why is that homosexual, rather than homogender?

There's really not alot of point in trying to make you understand things, is there?

You're stuck in your views and refuse to open your mind to the world around you. As long as you're happy, I suppose. But I'd prefer personally that you stopped spouting your bigoted crap all over the forums because it's genuinely hurtful to some of us.Dont read it....do not call us biggots as you do not know us,if you think our views are biggoted then report them , if your hurt by forum posts then please do not use the forum,were simply commenting and are entitled to our own view ,most peoples views on this we see as fucked up but we dont call them biggots!!!"

You are displaying intolerance to other peoples (scientifically correct) views. You're a bigot.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

personally i think you are always going to be genetically a geezer whether you get your penis removed and grow breasts with hormones you can't change your genetic make up and i'm not a bigot its just my view

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"personally i think you are always going to be genetically a geezer whether you get your penis removed and grow breasts with hormones you can't change your genetic make up and i'm not a bigot its just my view

What about those who are born "genetically" female, but are also born with a penis? Or "genetically" male, but with breasts and a vagina? Not quite as clear cut as you seem to think.

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By *oanne_MacTV/TS over a year ago

Perth

what this thread and the one the other day has demonstrated mainly how many people and their viewpoints still live in 1890

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What do you call a cisgendered male who doesn't want to have sex with anyone with a penis?

It depends on if they would have sex with a trans man who doesn't have a penis. If the answer is "yes" they they might be bi or gay with a preference for trans men.

Gender is not defined by what a person has between their legs. This has been understood in academic and medical circles since the 1950s, and was probably better understood by some ancient societies.

And if the answer is no?

I understand the sex and gender difference, but if a cis-man, had sex with a man with a vagina, why is that homosexual, rather than homogender?

There's really not alot of point in trying to make you understand things, is there?

You're stuck in your views and refuse to open your mind to the world around you. As long as you're happy, I suppose. But I'd prefer personally that you stopped spouting your bigoted crap all over the forums because it's genuinely hurtful to some of us.Dont read it....do not call us biggots as you do not know us,if you think our views are biggoted then report them , if your hurt by forum posts then please do not use the forum,were simply commenting and are entitled to our own view ,most peoples views on this we see as fucked up but we dont call them biggots!!!

You are displaying intolerance to other peoples (scientifically correct) views. You're a bigot."
We resent your views and think they are complete bollocks

But then again thats just our viewpoint

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By *bsinthe_boyMan over a year ago

Luton

But then again thats just our viewpoint"

It's not merely a viewpoint. It is verifiable scientific information. But you choose to ignore this. That wilful ignorance is what makes you a bigot.

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By *adystephanieTV/TS over a year ago

glos

I can just feel all the lurrrrrrrrrrve here

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