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"It's often said that single women looking to play with couples are the unicorns of the swinging world but, with the number of bi women and bi fem couples, I'd suggest this isn't true. Aren't the REAL unicorns the single women willing to play with straight couples? Jay x" I'd suggest that using the word 'unicorn' to describe women who swing is generally in poor taste. It traditionally symbolises women who are 'chaste' and 'sexually pure' - which has quite a sinister undertone to it on a site such as this. | |||
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"It's often said that single women looking to play with couples are the unicorns of the swinging world but, with the number of bi women and bi fem couples, I'd suggest this isn't true. Aren't the REAL unicorns the single women willing to play with straight couples? Jay x" Real unicorns are the single men that mange to even get a message or a meet I think | |||
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"It's often said that single women looking to play with couples are the unicorns of the swinging world but, with the number of bi women and bi fem couples, I'd suggest this isn't true. Aren't the REAL unicorns the single women willing to play with straight couples? Jay x I'd suggest that using the word 'unicorn' to describe women who swing is generally in poor taste. It traditionally symbolises women who are 'chaste' and 'sexually pure' - which has quite a sinister undertone to it on a site such as this." It's a silly term just because it's a silly term. It is in poor taste to give anyone a label. There's really no need to suggest it has connotations for people here which don't exist. The most common symbolism of the unicorn is something that is mysterious, and difficult to capture or tame. In the bible, it is symbolic of strength. There is only really one of those symbolic connotations that anyone here will be associating with the term. | |||
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"Did I pick the wrong user name then?" Has it stopped you getting any meets? | |||
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"It's often said that single women looking to play with couples are the unicorns of the swinging world but, with the number of bi women and bi fem couples, I'd suggest this isn't true. Aren't the REAL unicorns the single women willing to play with straight couples? Jay x I'd suggest that using the word 'unicorn' to describe women who swing is generally in poor taste. It traditionally symbolises women who are 'chaste' and 'sexually pure' - which has quite a sinister undertone to it on a site such as this. It's a silly term just because it's a silly term. It is in poor taste to give anyone a label. There's really no need to suggest it has connotations for people here which don't exist. The most common symbolism of the unicorn is something that is mysterious, and difficult to capture or tame. In the bible, it is symbolic of strength. There is only really one of those symbolic connotations that anyone here will be associating with the term." Actually, it's more commonly associated with magic, innocence, and purity throughout the last two thousand years of history in the West. That's why you most often find it on girl's tombs - because it represents young, chaste, and sexually pure women. | |||
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"It's often said that single women looking to play with couples are the unicorns of the swinging world but, with the number of bi women and bi fem couples, I'd suggest this isn't true. Aren't the REAL unicorns the single women willing to play with straight couples? Jay x I'd suggest that using the word 'unicorn' to describe women who swing is generally in poor taste. It traditionally symbolises women who are 'chaste' and 'sexually pure' - which has quite a sinister undertone to it on a site such as this. It's a silly term just because it's a silly term. It is in poor taste to give anyone a label. There's really no need to suggest it has connotations for people here which don't exist. The most common symbolism of the unicorn is something that is mysterious, and difficult to capture or tame. In the bible, it is symbolic of strength. There is only really one of those symbolic connotations that anyone here will be associating with the term. Actually, it's more commonly associated with magic, innocence, and purity throughout the last two thousand years of history in the West. That's why you most often find it on girl's tombs - because it represents young, chaste, and sexually pure women." That's as may be, but you are wrong in thinking those are the most common associations with the symbolism. Unless you are seriously implying that the term has arisen as a common label amongst swingers because couples are seeking chaste and sexually pure women. But of course you aren't...you just wanted to try and shoehorn it into the conversation somehow.  | |||
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"I'd suggest that using the word 'unicorn' to describe women who swing is generally in poor taste. It traditionally symbolises women who are 'chaste' and 'sexually pure' - which has quite a sinister undertone to it on a site such as this." You may be over analysing things. It is used to describe something precious and rare. | |||
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"I don't play with couples anymore. They will have to find their 'unicorns', 'playthings', 'performing seals', etc elsewhere" They will be gutted at this news. | |||
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" But of course you aren't...you just wanted to try and shoehorn it into the conversation somehow. "Actually I'm suggesting that the term was misappropriated by the poly scene, which has then found common usage in the swingers scene (it's very common in the poly scene to search for 'unicorns' or 'single bi babes' to form a poly triad. There's also alot written about how distasteful the word is). I'm unsure if the word unicorn came first into the poly scene or the swinging scene, but in my experience (as a single bi woman) it's certainly more common in the poly scene. In the poly scene it generally means 'mystical beast' as it were. It's only when you look into the historical semiotics that you realise actually it's even more unpleasant than it first seems. | |||
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" But of course you aren't...you just wanted to try and shoehorn it into the conversation somehow.
Actually I'm suggesting that the term was misappropriated by the poly scene, which has then found common usage in the swingers scene (it's very common in the poly scene to search for 'unicorns' or 'single bi babes' to form a poly triad. There's also alot written about how distasteful the word is).
I'm unsure if the word unicorn came first into the poly scene or the swinging scene, but in my experience (as a single bi woman) it's certainly more common in the poly scene.
In the poly scene it generally means 'mystical beast' as it were. It's only when you look into the historical semiotics that you realise actually it's even more unpleasant than it first seems."Although further to that - I've lost count of the amount of couples I've talked to when organising a threesome who have had a hissy fit when they've discovered that I'm also talking to (and having sex with) others. | |||
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"Did I pick the wrong user name then? Has it stopped you getting any meets?" Not stopped me meeting single guys! Had plenty of messages from couples even though it doesn't state on my profile that's what I'm looking! Wouldn't say no to the right couple!! | |||
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"Did I pick the wrong user name then? Has it stopped you getting any meets? Not stopped me meeting single guys! Had plenty of messages from couples even though it doesn't state on my profile that's what I'm looking! Wouldn't say no to the right couple!!" Then if it hasn't affected you negatively on here, don't worry about it.  | |||
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"Well, if the anecdote can be made to fit the 'facts', then why not, eh? Whatever you say. "I would crack out the art historical texts on European tomb monuments of young women... but... I have a damn essay to write! | |||
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"Well, if the anecdote can be made to fit the 'facts', then why not, eh? Whatever you say.
I would crack out the art historical texts on European tomb monuments of young women... but... I have a damn essay to write!"No-one is disputing that symbolism exists, but it is neither the most commonly acknowledged symbolism, nor the reason why it is used in swinging circles. Hope your essay goes well. | |||
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"Well, if the anecdote can be made to fit the 'facts', then why not, eh? Whatever you say.
I would crack out the art historical texts on European tomb monuments of young women... but... I have a damn essay to write!
No-one is disputing that symbolism exists, but it is neither the most commonly acknowledged symbolism, nor the reason why it is used in swinging circles.
Hope your essay goes well."And I never said that swingers were using it *because* of that symbolism. Merely commenting that when you think about the connotations, it's pretty unpleasant. | |||
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"Well, if the anecdote can be made to fit the 'facts', then why not, eh? Whatever you say.
I would crack out the art historical texts on European tomb monuments of young women... but... I have a damn essay to write!
No-one is disputing that symbolism exists, but it is neither the most commonly acknowledged symbolism, nor the reason why it is used in swinging circles.
Hope your essay goes well.
And I never said that swingers were using it *because* of that symbolism. Merely commenting that when you think about the connotations, it's pretty unpleasant.
"The connotations would only exist here if that was the reason swingers were using it. As they aren't, it's not unpleasant for that reason. | |||
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"Well, if the anecdote can be made to fit the 'facts', then why not, eh? Whatever you say.
I would crack out the art historical texts on European tomb monuments of young women... but... I have a damn essay to write!
No-one is disputing that symbolism exists, but it is neither the most commonly acknowledged symbolism, nor the reason why it is used in swinging circles.
Hope your essay goes well.
And I never said that swingers were using it *because* of that symbolism. Merely commenting that when you think about the connotations, it's pretty unpleasant.
The connotations would only exist here if that was the reason swingers were using it. As they aren't, it's not unpleasant for that reason."*Shrug* As a "unicorn" I find it pretty unpleasant. So do most of my bi female friends who are also bisexual fetishists/polyamorists/swingers. | |||
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"I don't play with couples anymore. They will have to find their 'unicorns', 'playthings', 'performing seals', etc elsewhere They will be gutted at this news." Dunno; you do the survey and publish it; I am too busy meeting single men and women | |||
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"I don't play with couples anymore. They will have to find their 'unicorns', 'playthings', 'performing seals', etc elsewhere They will be gutted at this news. Dunno; you do the survey and publish it; I am too busy meeting single men and women" Well as long as you don't stop meeting single women. | |||
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"It's often said that single women looking to play with couples are the unicorns of the swinging world but, with the number of bi women and bi fem couples, I'd suggest this isn't true. Aren't the REAL unicorns the single women willing to play with straight couples? Jay x I'd suggest that using the word 'unicorn' to describe women who swing is generally in poor taste. It traditionally symbolises women who are 'chaste' and 'sexually pure' - which has quite a sinister undertone to it on a site such as this." It is not symbolising chastity or sexual purity, it is symbolising rarity. We could all them hens teeth or rocking horse shit if you think those are better. Also the term doesnt mean all women who swing, it's specific to single bi women who want to play with couples. | |||
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"I don't play with couples anymore. They will have to find their 'unicorns', 'playthings', 'performing seals', etc elsewhere" Amen! Well said | |||
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"I don't play with couples anymore. They will have to find their 'unicorns', 'playthings', 'performing seals', etc elsewhere They will be gutted at this news. Dunno; you do the survey and publish it; I am too busy meeting single men and women Well as long as you don't stop meeting single women. "Is that a hint of an offer? xxx  | |||
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"Well, if the anecdote can be made to fit the 'facts', then why not, eh? Whatever you say.
I would crack out the art historical texts on European tomb monuments of young women... but... I have a damn essay to write!
No-one is disputing that symbolism exists, but it is neither the most commonly acknowledged symbolism, nor the reason why it is used in swinging circles.
Hope your essay goes well.
And I never said that swingers were using it *because* of that symbolism. Merely commenting that when you think about the connotations, it's pretty unpleasant.
The connotations would only exist here if that was the reason swingers were using it. As they aren't, it's not unpleasant for that reason.
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As a "unicorn" I find it pretty unpleasant. So do most of my bi female friends who are also bisexual fetishists/polyamorists/swingers."No-one can prevent anyone from being offended by imaginary slights. I would posit that the number of 'unicorns' who find it an unpleasant term due to labelling being unpleasant outweighs the number of 'unicorns' who are offended by connotations of chasteness or sexual purity by a factor of thousands. Permission to shrug granted. | |||
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"It's often said that single women looking to play with couples are the unicorns of the swinging world but, with the number of bi women and bi fem couples, I'd suggest this isn't true. Aren't the REAL unicorns the single women willing to play with straight couples? Jay x I'd suggest that using the word 'unicorn' to describe women who swing is generally in poor taste. It traditionally symbolises women who are 'chaste' and 'sexually pure' - which has quite a sinister undertone to it on a site such as this. It is not symbolising chastity or sexual purity, it is symbolising rarity. We could all them hens teeth or rocking horse shit if you think those are better. Also the term doesnt mean all women who swing, it's specific to single bi women who want to play with couples. " Why don't you just call them women wanting to meet couples. Why must they be 'unicorns', 'rocking horse sh*t' or anyone's teeth? | |||
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"It's often said that single women looking to play with couples are the unicorns of the swinging world but, with the number of bi women and bi fem couples, I'd suggest this isn't true. Aren't the REAL unicorns the single women willing to play with straight couples? Jay x I'd suggest that using the word 'unicorn' to describe women who swing is generally in poor taste. It traditionally symbolises women who are 'chaste' and 'sexually pure' - which has quite a sinister undertone to it on a site such as this. It is not symbolising chastity or sexual purity, it is symbolising rarity. We could all them hens teeth or rocking horse shit if you think those are better. Also the term doesnt mean all women who swing, it's specific to single bi women who want to play with couples. Why don't you just call them women wanting to meet couples. Why must they be 'unicorns', 'rocking horse sh*t' or anyone's teeth?" Because those with couple privilege have to justify why they're not getting their own way! Silly you! | |||
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"It's often said that single women looking to play with couples are the unicorns of the swinging world but, with the number of bi women and bi fem couples, I'd suggest this isn't true. Aren't the REAL unicorns the single women willing to play with straight couples? Jay x I'd suggest that using the word 'unicorn' to describe women who swing is generally in poor taste. It traditionally symbolises women who are 'chaste' and 'sexually pure' - which has quite a sinister undertone to it on a site such as this. It is not symbolising chastity or sexual purity, it is symbolising rarity. We could all them hens teeth or rocking horse shit if you think those are better. Also the term doesnt mean all women who swing, it's specific to single bi women who want to play with couples. Why don't you just call them women wanting to meet couples. Why must they be 'unicorns', 'rocking horse sh*t' or anyone's teeth? Because those with couple privilege have to justify why they're not getting their own way! Silly you!" Arguably I think that single bisexual men are actually considerably rarer on the swinging scene and the poly scene. One of my partners and I have absolutely no problem finding bisexual women to join us. Finding bisexual men to join us? About a million times harder. | |||
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"It's often said that single women looking to play with couples are the unicorns of the swinging world but, with the number of bi women and bi fem couples, I'd suggest this isn't true. Aren't the REAL unicorns the single women willing to play with straight couples? Jay x I'd suggest that using the word 'unicorn' to describe women who swing is generally in poor taste. It traditionally symbolises women who are 'chaste' and 'sexually pure' - which has quite a sinister undertone to it on a site such as this. It is not symbolising chastity or sexual purity, it is symbolising rarity. We could all them hens teeth or rocking horse shit if you think those are better. Also the term doesnt mean all women who swing, it's specific to single bi women who want to play with couples. Why don't you just call them women wanting to meet couples. Why must they be 'unicorns', 'rocking horse sh*t' or anyone's teeth? Because those with couple privilege have to justify why they're not getting their own way! Silly you! Arguably I think that single bisexual men are actually considerably rarer on the swinging scene and the poly scene. One of my partners and I have absolutely no problem finding bisexual women to join us. Finding bisexual men to join us? About a million times harder." thought you had an essay to write | |||
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"It's often said that single women looking to play with couples are the unicorns of the swinging world but, with the number of bi women and bi fem couples, I'd suggest this isn't true. Aren't the REAL unicorns the single women willing to play with straight couples? Jay x I'd suggest that using the word 'unicorn' to describe women who swing is generally in poor taste. It traditionally symbolises women who are 'chaste' and 'sexually pure' - which has quite a sinister undertone to it on a site such as this. It is not symbolising chastity or sexual purity, it is symbolising rarity. We could all them hens teeth or rocking horse shit if you think those are better. Also the term doesnt mean all women who swing, it's specific to single bi women who want to play with couples. Why don't you just call them women wanting to meet couples. Why must they be 'unicorns', 'rocking horse sh*t' or anyone's teeth?" Unicorn is a phrase in common usage in swinging, because it is commenting on the rarity and is shorthand for "single bisexual woman looking to play with couples", which is considerably longer. | |||
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"It's often said that single women looking to play with couples are the unicorns of the swinging world but, with the number of bi women and bi fem couples, I'd suggest this isn't true. Aren't the REAL unicorns the single women willing to play with straight couples? Jay x I'd suggest that using the word 'unicorn' to describe women who swing is generally in poor taste. It traditionally symbolises women who are 'chaste' and 'sexually pure' - which has quite a sinister undertone to it on a site such as this. It is not symbolising chastity or sexual purity, it is symbolising rarity. We could all them hens teeth or rocking horse shit if you think those are better. Also the term doesnt mean all women who swing, it's specific to single bi women who want to play with couples. Why don't you just call them women wanting to meet couples. Why must they be 'unicorns', 'rocking horse sh*t' or anyone's teeth? Unicorn is a phrase in common usage in swinging, because it is commenting on the rarity and is shorthand for "single bisexual woman looking to play with couples", which is considerably longer. " But that is exactly what they say on their profile: "looking for a single bisexual woman who wants to meet couples" If some couple walked over to me in a swingers club and told me that they were looking for a Unicorn, I'd tell them they are looking in the wrong place. Maybe they should try a zoo | |||
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"It's often said that single women looking to play with couples are the unicorns of the swinging world but, with the number of bi women and bi fem couples, I'd suggest this isn't true. Aren't the REAL unicorns the single women willing to play with straight couples? Jay x Real unicorns are the single men that mange to even get a message or a meet I think " LOL I have plenty of meets from single guys. Not slept with them all due to not finding them attractive in person. I don't mind being termed as unicorn. I see no issue with that. I would happily meet a straight couple (due to often then not me not finding the female my type) but the ones I did message on here turned out to only ever be the males messaging and giving all kinds of excuses as to why the female can't talk on the phone or meet for coffee. I gave up and now concentrate on single males only. | |||
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"It's often said that single women looking to play with couples are the unicorns of the swinging world but, with the number of bi women and bi fem couples, I'd suggest this isn't true. Aren't the REAL unicorns the single women willing to play with straight couples? Jay x I'd suggest that using the word 'unicorn' to describe women who swing is generally in poor taste. It traditionally symbolises women who are 'chaste' and 'sexually pure' - which has quite a sinister undertone to it on a site such as this. It is not symbolising chastity or sexual purity, it is symbolising rarity. We could all them hens teeth or rocking horse shit if you think those are better. Also the term doesnt mean all women who swing, it's specific to single bi women who want to play with couples. Why don't you just call them women wanting to meet couples. Why must they be 'unicorns', 'rocking horse sh*t' or anyone's teeth? Unicorn is a phrase in common usage in swinging, because it is commenting on the rarity and is shorthand for "single bisexual woman looking to play with couples", which is considerably longer. "  exactly! It's not a term used to cause offence so people shouldn't take it as such | |||
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) on account that quite a few of us single bi guys still live with mum and some of those guys of course aren't "single" | |||
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"To be fair, I would assume the single bi fems who play with couples would prefer to be 'labelled' a unicorn rather than rocking horse shit, well I know I would anyway "I'm ok with just 'bisexual woman' tbh. Which is only, like, 3 syllables less than 'unicorn'. | |||
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"Arguing over a made-up word for an imaginary creature. "Aren't all words made up? | |||
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"This terminology , and the fact that so many bi female couples complain of not being able to find the elusive single bi female to play with them is something we never understand . Perhaps it's because that's all the couple seek , so it becomes an obsession ? We have had plenty of opportunities to play out this scenario , and if I'm honest , it's not a big deal at all . I would say no better and no worse than many other scenarios . " Agree yes - we have played all variations of threes and fours - sometime s with my hubby sometimes just me joining others.... What makes a particular combination or experience hot is the dynamics between the participants, the level of attraction building up between them, the intimacy, interests and responses of each interaction.....can be so very sexy but equally I have had one or two boring experiences too! | |||
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"Although we are a couple I (male) dont play at all and my wife is bi and loves playing with couples. So you would think we would be in great demand but alas no. So I dont think its a rare thing at all I dont think the demand is actually as great as people think. I think theres far more male halves of couples wanting there partner to want it than actual female halves really wanting it "Ha-ha, I really really very frequently want it - but I don't always get it....such is life! I have learnt to be patient and also that 'it' is not one particular thing that I crave - there are many different its - each one is fascinating! M x | |||
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"Arguing over a made-up word for an imaginary creature.
Aren't all words made up? "Everything developed from simple grunting and pointing! | |||
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"It's often said that single women looking to play with couples are the unicorns of the swinging world but, with the number of bi women and bi fem couples, I'd suggest this isn't true. Aren't the REAL unicorns the single women willing to play with straight couples? Jay x" So a single straight woman who plays with straight couples? Ermmmm...  | |||
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"It's often said that single women looking to play with couples are the unicorns of the swinging world but, with the number of bi women and bi fem couples, I'd suggest this isn't true. Aren't the REAL unicorns the single women willing to play with straight couples? Jay x I'd suggest that using the word 'unicorn' to describe women who swing is generally in poor taste. It traditionally symbolises women who are 'chaste' and 'sexually pure' - which has quite a sinister undertone to it on a site such as this. It's a silly term just because it's a silly term. It is in poor taste to give anyone a label. There's really no need to suggest it has connotations for people here which don't exist. The most common symbolism of the unicorn is something that is mysterious, and difficult to capture or tame. In the bible, it is symbolic of strength. There is only really one of those symbolic connotations that anyone here will be associating with the term. Actually, it's more commonly associated with magic, innocence, and purity throughout the last two thousand years of history in the West. That's why you most often find it on girl's tombs - because it represents young, chaste, and sexually pure women. That's as may be, but you are wrong in thinking those are the most common associations with the symbolism. Unless you are seriously implying that the term has arisen as a common label amongst swingers because couples are seeking chaste and sexually pure women. But of course you aren't...you just wanted to try and shoehorn it into the conversation somehow. "Bring in the lions, bring in the lions! They all shout | |||
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"I don't play with couples anymore. They will have to find their 'unicorns', 'playthings', 'performing seals', etc elsewhere Amen! Well said "See, we don't view ANY of our meets as 'playthings, performing seals etc', every meet gets our mutual respect and we try to cater for them arguably more than ourselves. Slightly annoys being thought of like this due to the way we play but at least those we meet know we're not using them for our sole gratification. We know it wasn't directed at us but just putting our perspective on this out there. Him. | |||
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"Arguing over a made-up word for an imaginary creature.
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"I don't play with couples anymore. They will have to find their 'unicorns', 'playthings', 'performing seals', etc elsewhere Amen! Well said
See, we don't view ANY of our meets as 'playthings, performing seals etc', every meet gets our mutual respect and we try to cater for them arguably more than ourselves. Slightly annoys being thought of like this due to the way we play but at least those we meet know we're not using them for our sole gratification. We know it wasn't directed at us but just putting our perspective on this out there.
Him."In which case, in my experience, you are nicely unique | |||
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"Real Unicorn? You may as well say you're looking for two people in a pantomime horse outfit with a traffic cone on its nose. My Little Pony, anyone? " Now now... don't pick on the Bronies! | |||
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"Real Unicorn? You may as well say you're looking for two people in a pantomime horse outfit with a traffic cone on its nose. My Little Pony, anyone? " I have a pantomime horse outfit.
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"Real Unicorn? You may as well say you're looking for two people in a pantomime horse outfit with a traffic cone on its nose. My Little Pony, anyone? I have a pantomime horse outfit.
Is that where I'm going wrong?! "Owwww nooooo you don't stop being a horses ....... Asss | |||
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"To be fair, I would assume the single bi fems who play with couples would prefer to be 'labelled' a unicorn rather than rocking horse shit, well I know I would anyway
I'm ok with just 'bisexual woman' tbh. Which is only, like, 3 syllables less than 'unicorn'."But unicorn doesn't mean bisexual woman, it is more specific than that. At least my understanding of it is. Its not like swinging comes with a rule book and an agreed set of terms. | |||
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"To be fair, I would assume the single bi fems who play with couples would prefer to be 'labelled' a unicorn rather than rocking horse shit, well I know I would anyway
I'm ok with just 'bisexual woman' tbh. Which is only, like, 3 syllables less than 'unicorn'.
But unicorn doesn't mean bisexual woman, it is more specific than that. At least my understanding of it is. Its not like swinging comes with a rule book and an agreed set of terms. "As far as I can tell it means 'bisexual woman who we fancy and who we want to have sex with' when used by couples. | |||
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"It's often said that single women looking to play with couples are the unicorns of the swinging world but, with the number of bi women and bi fem couples, I'd suggest this isn't true. Aren't the REAL unicorns the single women willing to play with straight couples? Jay x So a single straight woman who plays with straight couples? Ermmmm... "Ermmmmmm what? Don't single straight guys play with couples? Was just thinking aloud. Didn't expect so much discussion on this thread about the word 'unicorn'. It is a widely used word in the scene, after all. And fail to see why the word might be viewed as an insult, to be honest | |||
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"It's often said that single women looking to play with couples are the unicorns of the swinging world but, with the number of bi women and bi fem couples, I'd suggest this isn't true. Aren't the REAL unicorns the single women willing to play with straight couples? Jay x So a single straight woman who plays with straight couples? Ermmmm...
Ermmmmmm what?
Don't single straight guys play with couples?
Was just thinking aloud. Didn't expect so much discussion on this thread about the word 'unicorn'. It is a widely used word in the scene, after all. And fail to see why the word might be viewed as an insult, to be honest "It is only an insult to those who don't like it. Apparently, the other 'widely used term' to describe the same is "rocking horse sh*t". I like neither | |||
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"And fail to see why the word might be viewed as an insult, to be honest " Too many people use the term in a predatory way. They use it to signify some kind of precious thing that's been put on a pedestal and that they want to capture. I'm not precious, I've no interest in being put on a pedestal just because I'm interested in both men and women, and I have no interest in being captured. | |||
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"It's often said that single women looking to play with couples are the unicorns of the swinging world but, with the number of bi women and bi fem couples, I'd suggest this isn't true. Aren't the REAL unicorns the single women willing to play with straight couples? Jay x So a single straight woman who plays with straight couples? Ermmmm...
Ermmmmmm what?
Don't single straight guys play with couples?
Was just thinking aloud. Didn't expect so much discussion on this thread about the word 'unicorn'. It is a widely used word in the scene, after all. And fail to see why the word might be viewed as an insult, to be honest
It is only an insult to those who don't like it. Apparently, the other 'widely used term' to describe the same is "rocking horse sh*t". I like neither"I highly doubt it is a widely used as I only used it for first time today! | |||
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I've found that a lot of couples have similar taste to each other. That may be a bit of a generalisation but in my experience, it's been the case. It's tricky to find a couple that I'd want to fuck both in equal measure.
I'm not an instashag either. It doesn't mean I'm a figment of anyone's imagination.
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"It's often said that single women looking to play with couples are the unicorns of the swinging world but, with the number of bi women and bi fem couples, I'd suggest this isn't true. Aren't the REAL unicorns the single women willing to play with straight couples? Jay x So a single straight woman who plays with straight couples? Ermmmm...
Ermmmmmm what?
Don't single straight guys play with couples?
Was just thinking aloud. Didn't expect so much discussion on this thread about the word 'unicorn'. It is a widely used word in the scene, after all. And fail to see why the word might be viewed as an insult, to be honest
It is only an insult to those who don't like it. Apparently, the other 'widely used term' to describe the same is "rocking horse sh*t". I like neither
I highly doubt it is a widely used as I only used it for first time today! "I have seen it just as much as those other 'terms'. None are necessary especially when some bisexual women women object to it. Carrying on using it demonstrates arrogance and disrespect It would not be any different to calling non-white people using terms which are not quite derogatory but which some non-white people find hurtful and object. Once decent people know this, they refrain from using those terms But since some couples are here looking for bisexual women purely to satisfy their joint needs and desires only with no regard for her, it does not surprise me in the least bit that they could not care less what some of these women might feel | |||
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"It's often said that single women looking to play with couples are the unicorns of the swinging world but, with the number of bi women and bi fem couples, I'd suggest this isn't true. Aren't the REAL unicorns the single women willing to play with straight couples? Jay x So a single straight woman who plays with straight couples? Ermmmm...
Ermmmmmm what?
Don't single straight guys play with couples?
Was just thinking aloud. Didn't expect so much discussion on this thread about the word 'unicorn'. It is a widely used word in the scene, after all. And fail to see why the word might be viewed as an insult, to be honest
It is only an insult to those who don't like it. Apparently, the other 'widely used term' to describe the same is "rocking horse sh*t". I like neither
I highly doubt it is a widely used as I only used it for first time today!
I have seen it just as much as those other 'terms'. None are necessary especially when some bisexual women women object to it. Carrying on using it demonstrates arrogance and disrespect
It would not be any different to calling non-white people using terms which are not quite derogatory but which some non-white people find hurtful and object. Once decent people know this, they refrain from using those terms
But since some couples are here looking for bisexual women purely to satisfy their joint needs and desires only with no regard for her, it does not surprise me in the least bit that they could not care less what some of these women might feel"You have seen people say they are looking for rocking horse shit, or hens teeth as often as you have seen people say they are looking for a unicorn? Really? I have never seen them apart from in my post where I was using them to describe something that was rare. I think there is a balance to be had, how many people of a certain group have to be upset by a phrase or title it, even though the rest are fine with it, before it becomes arrogant and disrespectful? | |||
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"It's often said that single women looking to play with couples are the unicorns of the swinging world but, with the number of bi women and bi fem couples, I'd suggest this isn't true. Aren't the REAL unicorns the single women willing to play with straight couples? Jay x So a single straight woman who plays with straight couples? Ermmmm...
Ermmmmmm what?
Don't single straight guys play with couples?
Was just thinking aloud. Didn't expect so much discussion on this thread about the word 'unicorn'. It is a widely used word in the scene, after all. And fail to see why the word might be viewed as an insult, to be honest
It is only an insult to those who don't like it. Apparently, the other 'widely used term' to describe the same is "rocking horse sh*t". I like neither
I highly doubt it is a widely used as I only used it for first time today!
I have seen it just as much as those other 'terms'. None are necessary especially when some bisexual women women object to it. Carrying on using it demonstrates arrogance and disrespect
It would not be any different to calling non-white people using terms which are not quite derogatory but which some non-white people find hurtful and object. Once decent people know this, they refrain from using those terms
But since some couples are here looking for bisexual women purely to satisfy their joint needs and desires only with no regard for her, it does not surprise me in the least bit that they could not care less what some of these women might feel
You have seen people say they are looking for rocking horse shit, or hens teeth as often as you have seen people say they are looking for a unicorn? Really? I have never seen them apart from in my post where I was using them to describe something that was rare.
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"How can the term mean anything other than a woman looking to meet couples.straight or bi. unicorns due to being rare some people are so precious quite agree, and i've never heard it used in a 'predatory'way at all,anything but.." Have a quick google for articles written by non-monogamous people on "couple privilege" and unicorns. See what other people are saying about it. | |||
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"How can the term mean anything other than a woman looking to meet couples.straight or bi. unicorns due to being rare some people are so precious quite agree, and i've never heard it used in a 'predatory'way at all,anything but.. Have a quick google for articles written by non-monogamous people on "couple privilege" and unicorns. See what other people are saying about it." But those kind of questions about couples privilege around a "third" or "unicorn", don't really apply in swinging. Unlike swinging, in poly you might have to consider who will I take to the family funeral, who do I include in my will, or power of attorney, will we all jointly raise the kids etc. Swinging is usually a one off encounter or a few encounters over a few meets, so its very different. | |||
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"But those kind of questions about couples privilege around a "third" or "unicorn", don't really apply in swinging. Unlike swinging, in poly you might have to consider who will I take to the family funeral, who do I include in my will, or power of attorney, will we all jointly raise the kids etc. Swinging is usually a one off encounter or a few encounters over a few meets, so its very different. " | |||
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"I really don't know whether bi-women seeking couples are commonplace or not but there is certainly no shortage of d**kheads" Wow, sounds like someones not getting any! | |||
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"Interesting thread - my opinion is this - a label can cause insult, misunderstandings or can be just lazy communication. A pleasure shared is a pleasure trebled - I love the 3 way dynamics in a good fmf - a good one being a meet where all 3 people are sensually exploring each other with the intention of giving pleasure and receiving pleasure as the experience unfolds.......??????" | |||
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"Well, if the anecdote can be made to fit the 'facts', then why not, eh? Whatever you say.
I would crack out the art historical texts on European tomb monuments of young women... but... I have a damn essay to write!
No-one is disputing that symbolism exists, but it is neither the most commonly acknowledged symbolism, nor the reason why it is used in swinging circles.
Hope your essay goes well.
And I never said that swingers were using it *because* of that symbolism. Merely commenting that when you think about the connotations, it's pretty unpleasant.
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"I really don't know whether bi-women seeking couples are commonplace or not but there is certainly no shortage of d**kheads Wow, sounds like someones not getting any! "Don't worry about me; remember, I am the rarity | |||
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"Supply and demand. If I was the only bloke on here, just think how full my inbox would be.... "Not necessarily
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"Interesting thread - my opinion is this - a label can cause insult, misunderstandings or can be just lazy communication. A pleasure shared is a pleasure trebled - I love the 3 way dynamics in a good fmf - a good one being a meet where all 3 people are sensually exploring each other with the intention of giving pleasure and receiving pleasure as the experience unfolds.......??????"
And it is a uniquely pleasurable experience; one which I have enjoyed and maybe would at some point in the future want to do again
If I was looking for other bisexual women (which I am) I would not start off by insulting a few right from the word go
Some people are the types who are more concerned about wining arguments rather than listening to the ones who are trying to explain why it is an insult
Telling me that I should not view it as an insult is like telling non-whites that certain terms are only derogatory to some and they should not feel that way. Yeah, like that will work
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"It's often said that single women looking to play with couples are the unicorns of the swinging world but, with the number of bi women and bi fem couples, I'd suggest this isn't true. Aren't the REAL unicorns the single women willing to play with straight couples? Jay x" I am part of a couple but play has a single, my partner is a Voyer only, not interested in participating at all, but we find it very difficult to meet couples who are just willing to play with me while my partner watches | |||
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"It's often said that single women looking to play with couples are the unicorns of the swinging world but, with the number of bi women and bi fem couples, I'd suggest this isn't true. Aren't the REAL unicorns the single women willing to play with straight couples? Jay x So a single straight woman who plays with straight couples? Ermmmm...
Ermmmmmm what?
Don't single straight guys play with couples?
Was just thinking aloud. Didn't expect so much discussion on this thread about the word 'unicorn'. It is a widely used word in the scene, after all. And fail to see why the word might be viewed as an insult, to be honest
It is only an insult to those who don't like it. Apparently, the other 'widely used term' to describe the same is "rocking horse sh*t". I like neither
I highly doubt it is a widely used as I only used it for first time today!
I have seen it just as much as those other 'terms'. None are necessary especially when some bisexual women women object to it. Carrying on using it demonstrates arrogance and disrespect
It would not be any different to calling non-white people using terms which are not quite derogatory but which some non-white people find hurtful and object. Once decent people know this, they refrain from using those terms
But since some couples are here looking for bisexual women purely to satisfy their joint needs and desires only with no regard for her, it does not surprise me in the least bit that they could not care less what some of these women might feel
You have seen people say they are looking for rocking horse shit, or hens teeth as often as you have seen people say they are looking for a unicorn? Really? I have never seen them apart from in my post where I was using them to describe something that was rare.
I think there is a balance to be had, how many people of a certain group have to be upset by a phrase or title it, even though the rest are fine with it, before it becomes arrogant and disrespectful? "So you think it's ok to be arrogant and disrespectful to one person, if the rest of the group think it's ok? | |||
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"A unicorn is a myth not real and bi sexual women are real are they not " This is the important thing to recognise. A unicorn is a mythical beast. Fake. Doesn't exist. Only a part of your imagination. Unicorns are not real. So, by that extension if you call bisexual non-monogamous women a unicorn - bisexual non-monogamous women are not real. They are fake. They don't exist. Bisexual people - not just women - can really struggle to have their sexuality taken seriously. When I tell people I like both men and women I'm often told that I'm greedy, that it's a phase, that eventually I'll pick one and settle down. (The same happens to women who only like women too - it's assumed eventually they'll get together with a man and live happily ever after). As a woman who likes both women and men I have to fight to have my sexuality recognised as legitimate. By referring to my sexuality as 'mythical' individuals are part of that group that doesn't take my sexual preferences seriously. People might not intend that usage when they use the word 'unicorn' to describe a bisexual, non-monogamous woman, but words have certain connotations and certain meanings. We don't need a special word to describe us and our sexuality. We are bisexual, non-monogamous women. Thank you very much. | |||
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"I personally don't use the term unicorn. Mostly because I never heard it before I came on here and because many women seem not to like it. However, once you remove the negative connotations (which many do not try to imply and which I never knew about until reading the forums) I don't see why the label "unicorn" should be any more objectionable than the label "bisexual." They are both labels to describe who someone will play with. Bisexual taking the place of "woman who plays with women" and unicorn taking the place of "woman who plays with couples," Again, I don't use the term. I don't like referring to people in terms they don't like. It's just that I also think the term is over-thought in a way that other term are not. Both bisexual and unicorn are labels in equal measure. -Courtney" Courtney; you come across as a sensible lady so I will try and explain Where I come from, the 'N' word was in common use. We did not use it as a derogatory term. We had main-stream supermarkets selling confectionary with that word as part of the brand-name. I am talking about as late as 1995 When I came here, I continued using that word. I did not mean to insult anyone; I like Black people! But the moment I discovered that it can cause offence, I stopped using it. Why on Earth would I want to hurt people who I like; whether it is one hundred or just the one. I now use another label which Black people have chosen for themselves; "Black" I hope what I said makes sense. By the way, I did not want to give the impression nor do I get the impression that you would use a term which you think might cause offense to anyone; you are far too sweet for that; xxx | |||
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"I personally don't use the term unicorn. Mostly because I never heard it before I came on here and because many women seem not to like it. However, once you remove the negative connotations (which many do not try to imply and which I never knew about until reading the forums) I don't see why the label "unicorn" should be any more objectionable than the label "bisexual." They are both labels to describe who someone will play with. Bisexual taking the place of "woman who plays with women" and unicorn taking the place of "woman who plays with couples," Again, I don't use the term. I don't like referring to people in terms they don't like. It's just that I also think the term is over-thought in a way that other term are not. Both bisexual and unicorn are labels in equal measure. -Courtney Courtney; you come across as a sensible lady so I will try and explain Where I come from, the 'N' word was in common use. We did not use it as a derogatory term. We had main-stream supermarkets selling confectionary with that word as part of the brand-name. I am talking about as late as 1995 When I came here, I continued using that word. I did not mean to insult anyone; I like Black people! But the moment I discovered that it can cause offence, I stopped using it. Why on Earth would I want to hurt people who I like; whether it is one hundred or just the one. I now use another label which Black people have chosen for themselves; "Black" I hope what I said makes sense. By the way, I did not want to give the impression nor do I get the impression that you would use a term which you think might cause offense to anyone; you are far too sweet for that; xxx" hey chips from New York she's not innocent but she is nice xx | |||
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"A unicorn is a myth not real and bi sexual women are real are they not This is the important thing to recognise. A unicorn is a mythical beast. Fake. Doesn't exist. Only a part of your imagination. Unicorns are not real. So, by that extension if you call bisexual non-monogamous women a unicorn - bisexual non-monogamous women are not real. They are fake. They don't exist. Bisexual people - not just women - can really struggle to have their sexuality taken seriously. When I tell people I like both men and women I'm often told that I'm greedy, that it's a phase, that eventually I'll pick one and settle down. (The same happens to women who only like women too - it's assumed eventually they'll get together with a man and live happily ever after). As a woman who likes both women and men I have to fight to have my sexuality recognised as legitimate. By referring to my sexuality as 'mythical' individuals are part of that group that doesn't take my sexual preferences seriously. People might not intend that usage when they use the word 'unicorn' to describe a bisexual, non-monogamous woman, but words have certain connotations and certain meanings. We don't need a special word to describe us and our sexuality. We are bisexual, non-monogamous women. Thank you very much." Never ever read a book of idioms your head will explode. | |||
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"I personally don't use the term unicorn. Mostly because I never heard it before I came on here and because many women seem not to like it. However, once you remove the negative connotations (which many do not try to imply and which I never knew about until reading the forums) I don't see why the label "unicorn" should be any more objectionable than the label "bisexual." They are both labels to describe who someone will play with. Bisexual taking the place of "woman who plays with women" and unicorn taking the place of "woman who plays with couples," Again, I don't use the term. I don't like referring to people in terms they don't like. It's just that I also think the term is over-thought in a way that other term are not. Both bisexual and unicorn are labels in equal measure. -Courtney Courtney; you come across as a sensible lady so I will try and explain Where I come from, the 'N' word was in common use. We did not use it as a derogatory term. We had main-stream supermarkets selling confectionary with that word as part of the brand-name. I am talking about as late as 1995 When I came here, I continued using that word. I did not mean to insult anyone; I like Black people! But the moment I discovered that it can cause offence, I stopped using it. Why on Earth would I want to hurt people who I like; whether it is one hundred or just the one. I now use another label which Black people have chosen for themselves; "Black" I hope what I said makes sense. By the way, I did not want to give the impression nor do I get the impression that you would use a term which you think might cause offense to anyone; you are far too sweet for that; xxx hey chips from New York she's not innocent but she is nice xx "I did not call her, "innocent", now did I? | |||
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" So you think it's ok to be arrogant and disrespectful to one person, if the rest of the group think it's ok? " One this thread there have been people who have said that they like the term unicorn, there are some people who even have it as part of their usernames. Those people obviously don't have an issue with it, so is it fair to take away from one group of people, a name that they have appropriated for themselves? For example Im white, and am happy to be called white. But what if one person said they don't like being called white. That they felt being called white was arrogant and disrespectful, and they wanted to be called something else instead. Should everyone then stop using the term white because one person doesn't like it, even though the majority of the group that is covered by the term are happy with it? So my point was, at what point do you stop using it? When 5% of people don't like it? When 20% don't like it? 50%? | |||
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"I personally don't use the term unicorn. Mostly because I never heard it before I came on here and because many women seem not to like it. However, once you remove the negative connotations (which many do not try to imply and which I never knew about until reading the forums) I don't see why the label "unicorn" should be any more objectionable than the label "bisexual." They are both labels to describe who someone will play with. Bisexual taking the place of "woman who plays with women" and unicorn taking the place of "woman who plays with couples," Again, I don't use the term. I don't like referring to people in terms they don't like. It's just that I also think the term is over-thought in a way that other term are not. Both bisexual and unicorn are labels in equal measure. -Courtney Courtney; you come across as a sensible lady so I will try and explain Where I come from, the 'N' word was in common use. We did not use it as a derogatory term. We had main-stream supermarkets selling confectionary with that word as part of the brand-name. I am talking about as late as 1995 When I came here, I continued using that word. I did not mean to insult anyone; I like Black people! But the moment I discovered that it can cause offence, I stopped using it. Why on Earth would I want to hurt people who I like; whether it is one hundred or just the one. I now use another label which Black people have chosen for themselves; "Black" I hope what I said makes sense. By the way, I did not want to give the impression nor do I get the impression that you would use a term which you think might cause offense to anyone; you are far too sweet for that; xxx hey chips from New York she's not innocent but she is nice xx
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" So you think it's ok to be arrogant and disrespectful to one person, if the rest of the group think it's ok? One this thread there have been people who have said that they like the term unicorn, there are some people who even have it as part of their usernames. Those people obviously don't have an issue with it, so is it fair to take away from one group of people, a name that they have appropriated for themselves? For example Im white, and am happy to be called white. But what if one person said they don't like being called white. That they felt being called white was arrogant and disrespectful, and they wanted to be called something else instead. Should everyone then stop using the term white because one person doesn't like it, even though the majority of the group that is covered by the term are happy with it? So my point was, at what point do you stop using it? When 5% of people don't like it? When 20% don't like it? 50%?" When one person did not like the 'N' word is when I stopped using it. I started using the term which all Black people agreed with However, if another person did not like "Black" then I will use whatever term they feel describes them best. I will not decide what is best for them!!! Quite a few women on this thread have stated that they do not like this term. Many have even given reasons why they don't like it. What would you call a person who after reading all of that persists in making them change their mind? | |||
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"I personally don't use the term unicorn. Mostly because I never heard it before I came on here and because many women seem not to like it. However, once you remove the negative connotations (which many do not try to imply and which I never knew about until reading the forums) I don't see why the label "unicorn" should be any more objectionable than the label "bisexual." They are both labels to describe who someone will play with. Bisexual taking the place of "woman who plays with women" and unicorn taking the place of "woman who plays with couples," Again, I don't use the term. I don't like referring to people in terms they don't like. It's just that I also think the term is over-thought in a way that other term are not. Both bisexual and unicorn are labels in equal measure. -Courtney Courtney; you come across as a sensible lady so I will try and explain Where I come from, the 'N' word was in common use. We did not use it as a derogatory term. We had main-stream supermarkets selling confectionary with that word as part of the brand-name. I am talking about as late as 1995 When I came here, I continued using that word. I did not mean to insult anyone; I like Black people! But the moment I discovered that it can cause offence, I stopped using it. Why on Earth would I want to hurt people who I like; whether it is one hundred or just the one. I now use another label which Black people have chosen for themselves; "Black" I hope what I said makes sense. By the way, I did not want to give the impression nor do I get the impression that you would use a term which you think might cause offense to anyone; you are far too sweet for that; xxx" That's fair enough. I guess the problem with my post is that it isn't fair to read words out of context. Sometime context is everything. As I said, I personally don't use the word anyway. Its just too easy to say that we are looking for women to play with. I don't see a need for the term unicorn. -Courtney | |||
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"I personally don't use the term unicorn. Mostly because I never heard it before I came on here and because many women seem not to like it. However, once you remove the negative connotations (which many do not try to imply and which I never knew about until reading the forums) I don't see why the label "unicorn" should be any more objectionable than the label "bisexual." They are both labels to describe who someone will play with. Bisexual taking the place of "woman who plays with women" and unicorn taking the place of "woman who plays with couples," Again, I don't use the term. I don't like referring to people in terms they don't like. It's just that I also think the term is over-thought in a way that other term are not. Both bisexual and unicorn are labels in equal measure. -Courtney Courtney; you come across as a sensible lady so I will try and explain Where I come from, the 'N' word was in common use. We did not use it as a derogatory term. We had main-stream supermarkets selling confectionary with that word as part of the brand-name. I am talking about as late as 1995 When I came here, I continued using that word. I did not mean to insult anyone; I like Black people! But the moment I discovered that it can cause offence, I stopped using it. Why on Earth would I want to hurt people who I like; whether it is one hundred or just the one. I now use another label which Black people have chosen for themselves; "Black" I hope what I said makes sense. By the way, I did not want to give the impression nor do I get the impression that you would use a term which you think might cause offense to anyone; you are far too sweet for that; xxx That's fair enough. I guess the problem with my post is that it isn't fair to read words out of context. Sometime context is everything. As I said, I personally don't use the word anyway. Its just too easy to say that we are looking for women to play with. I don't see a need for the term unicorn. -Courtney" There you said it again; the Knights who say "Ni" | |||
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"I personally don't use the term unicorn. Mostly because I never heard it before I came on here and because many women seem not to like it. However, once you remove the negative connotations (which many do not try to imply and which I never knew about until reading the forums) I don't see why the label "unicorn" should be any more objectionable than the label "bisexual." They are both labels to describe who someone will play with. Bisexual taking the place of "woman who plays with women" and unicorn taking the place of "woman who plays with couples," Again, I don't use the term. I don't like referring to people in terms they don't like. It's just that I also think the term is over-thought in a way that other term are not. Both bisexual and unicorn are labels in equal measure. -Courtney Courtney; you come across as a sensible lady so I will try and explain Where I come from, the 'N' word was in common use. We did not use it as a derogatory term. We had main-stream supermarkets selling confectionary with that word as part of the brand-name. I am talking about as late as 1995 When I came here, I continued using that word. I did not mean to insult anyone; I like Black people! But the moment I discovered that it can cause offence, I stopped using it. Why on Earth would I want to hurt people who I like; whether it is one hundred or just the one. I now use another label which Black people have chosen for themselves; "Black" I hope what I said makes sense. By the way, I did not want to give the impression nor do I get the impression that you would use a term which you think might cause offense to anyone; you are far too sweet for that; xxx That's fair enough. I guess the problem with my post is that it isn't fair to read words out of context. Sometime context is everything. As I said, I personally don't use the word anyway. Its just too easy to say that we are looking for women to play with. I don't see a need for the term unicorn. -Courtney There you said it again; the Knights who say "Ni" "Ah!  | |||
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" So you think it's ok to be arrogant and disrespectful to one person, if the rest of the group think it's ok? One this thread there have been people who have said that they like the term unicorn, there are some people who even have it as part of their usernames. Those people obviously don't have an issue with it, so is it fair to take away from one group of people, a name that they have appropriated for themselves? For example Im white, and am happy to be called white. But what if one person said they don't like being called white. That they felt being called white was arrogant and disrespectful, and they wanted to be called something else instead. Should everyone then stop using the term white because one person doesn't like it, even though the majority of the group that is covered by the term are happy with it? So my point was, at what point do you stop using it? When 5% of people don't like it? When 20% don't like it? 50%? When one person did not like the 'N' word is when I stopped using it. I started using the term which all Black people agreed with However, if another person did not like "Black" then I will use whatever term they feel describes them best. I will not decide what is best for them!!! Quite a few women on this thread have stated that they do not like this term. Many have even given reasons why they don't like it. What would you call a person who after reading all of that persists in making them change their mind?" Josie, you seem to be the one throwing names around here, I haven't called anyone stupid, or dickhead, but you have. Im pretty sure that the N word was offensive even before you were born, so if you have ever used it, then it was probably offensive to a lot of people. Im not trying to change your mind, I am simply stating that other people have a different interpretation of the word than you do. What would you call someone who insists that you have to see the world in exactly the same way as they do? | |||
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" So you think it's ok to be arrogant and disrespectful to one person, if the rest of the group think it's ok? One this thread there have been people who have said that they like the term unicorn, there are some people who even have it as part of their usernames. Those people obviously don't have an issue with it, so is it fair to take away from one group of people, a name that they have appropriated for themselves? For example Im white, and am happy to be called white. But what if one person said they don't like being called white. That they felt being called white was arrogant and disrespectful, and they wanted to be called something else instead. Should everyone then stop using the term white because one person doesn't like it, even though the majority of the group that is covered by the term are happy with it? So my point was, at what point do you stop using it? When 5% of people don't like it? When 20% don't like it? 50%? When one person did not like the 'N' word is when I stopped using it. I started using the term which all Black people agreed with However, if another person did not like "Black" then I will use whatever term they feel describes them best. I will not decide what is best for them!!! Quite a few women on this thread have stated that they do not like this term. Many have even given reasons why they don't like it. What would you call a person who after reading all of that persists in making them change their mind? Josie, you seem to be the one throwing names around here, I haven't called anyone stupid, or dickhead, but you have. Im pretty sure that the N word was offensive even before you were born, so if you have ever used it, then it was probably offensive to a lot of people. Im not trying to change your mind, I am simply stating that other people have a different interpretation of the word than you do. What would you call someone who insists that you have to see the world in exactly the same way as they do?" You are wrong; that word was NOT offensive in my country until almost to the end of the millennium. So much so that major manufacturers used it positively in advertising. Music from that culture was very popular too and was prefixed with that word. However, it was offensive in this country and rather than try to convince the people here otherwise, I just stopped using it It is not just my interpretation so don't make it sound like I am the only one here objecting. Go back in the thread and you will see that a number of women don't like it Quite recently, one of your politicians used a term to describe women from the Far East. Personally, I did not even know what that term meant; I am not from here. So I asked what it meant. Some, not all, said that it was a negative term. I don't need convincing; I just won't use it But please carry on working out percentages | |||
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" One this thread there have been people who have said that they like the term unicorn, there are some people who even have it as part of their usernames. Those people obviously don't have an issue with it, so is it fair to take away from one group of people, a name that they have appropriated for themselves? " "Tolerating" a term is not the same as "appropriating" or "reclaiming" a term. | |||
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" So you think it's ok to be arrogant and disrespectful to one person, if the rest of the group think it's ok? One this thread there have been people who have said that they like the term unicorn, there are some people who even have it as part of their usernames. Those people obviously don't have an issue with it, so is it fair to take away from one group of people, a name that they have appropriated for themselves? For example Im white, and am happy to be called white. But what if one person said they don't like being called white. That they felt being called white was arrogant and disrespectful, and they wanted to be called something else instead. Should everyone then stop using the term white because one person doesn't like it, even though the majority of the group that is covered by the term are happy with it? So my point was, at what point do you stop using it? When 5% of people don't like it? When 20% don't like it? 50%?" Fair point, I see what you mean now.
I don't know at what point it's not ok as a general term. I don't know someone is offended about a word until they tell me. I suppose the answer (for me) is that when I know that person is offended, I don't use that word with that person.
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" So you think it's ok to be arrogant and disrespectful to one person, if the rest of the group think it's ok? One this thread there have been people who have said that they like the term unicorn, there are some people who even have it as part of their usernames. Those people obviously don't have an issue with it, so is it fair to take away from one group of people, a name that they have appropriated for themselves? For example Im white, and am happy to be called white. But what if one person said they don't like being called white. That they felt being called white was arrogant and disrespectful, and they wanted to be called something else instead. Should everyone then stop using the term white because one person doesn't like it, even though the majority of the group that is covered by the term are happy with it? So my point was, at what point do you stop using it? When 5% of people don't like it? When 20% don't like it? 50%? Fair point, I see what you mean now.
I don't know at what point it's not ok as a general term. I don't know someone is offended about a word until they tell me. I suppose the answer (for me) is that when I know that person is offended, I don't use that word with that person.
Lots of women love the term unicorn, lots don't. There doesn't seem to be a general agreement of whether it is right or wrong (like Josie's N word example) so best I think to play it by ear. "I agree, but to be honest I never use the word. As a straight couple looking to play with other straight couples, it doesn't really come up in conversation. | |||
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"A 'unicorn' is a single (not part of a couple) bi woman. I go to clubs with other single bi women. I've had pm's inviting 'as many unicorns as I can rally' We've walked into clubs and been told 'you unicorns don't need membership or to pay entry' When I am speaking to someone and they ask where 'My other half is' & I've explained im genuinely single, no fb's just girlfriends, the response is often 'wow a real unicorn'. Even chams years ago, when we ran the women's event aka 'tit soup' the couples would ask when are the unicorns getting here? I do not want treating differently or labelling. I'm a person not a 'unicorn' my single lady friends don't like the term and many won't even come into this thread. I've been on this scene years. (10 +) It was commonly used but is dying out as a term. This is the only site where I label myself as single. Only because there are no other options. On my other profiles/sites I never list single." I'm a unicorn and proud of it. I'm a single bi fem who plays alone. Well not alone as that would be masturbation! But I join up as 3somes and have had some very lucky men on the end of a double bi fem blow job ect. | |||
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"A 'unicorn' is a single (not part of a couple) bi woman. I go to clubs with other single bi women. I've had pm's inviting 'as many unicorns as I can rally' We've walked into clubs and been told 'you unicorns don't need membership or to pay entry' When I am speaking to someone and they ask where 'My other half is' & I've explained im genuinely single, no fb's just girlfriends, the response is often 'wow a real unicorn'. Even chams years ago, when we ran the women's event aka 'tit soup' the couples would ask when are the unicorns getting here? I do not want treating differently or labelling. I'm a person not a 'unicorn' my single lady friends don't like the term and many won't even come into this thread. I've been on this scene years. (10 +) It was commonly used but is dying out as a term. This is the only site where I label myself as single. Only because there are no other options. On my other profiles/sites I never list single. I'm a unicorn and proud of it. I'm a single bi fem who plays alone. Well not alone as that would be masturbation! But I join up as 3somes and have had some very lucky men on the end of a double bi fem blow job ect. "One of my fave pastimes | |||
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"... With regards to comparing the word "unicorn" to the N word.... I do get where you (Josie) are coming from with the cultural differences and everything, but a) I really REALLY don't think the two are comparable. And b) did you not have any kind of history lessons or British/American films that would teach you the history of slavery and why that word is so deplorable and disgusting??? " a) I accept what you say It will not cause me any offence in my day-to-day life. It is not as if I will walk into work tomorrow morning and everyone there will point at me and sing-along, "here hops in the unicorn" b) No, I didn't. Like I said, until the mid-90s, we had a confectionery with the word in it; also the music was called as such. I never gave it a second thought When I came to your country, I was informed that this is not an acceptable word to use as it causes offence. I neither questioned nor investigated into the reasons; I just never used it here nor back home Things have moved on since; the said confectionery has been marketed for almost 15 years in this country too and has been re-branded, both here and back home I always take the view that it is much easier not to offend than to offer arguments in defence of offending people Calling bi-women, whatever, is unnecessary. Whilst some do not mind, others do | |||
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"It's often said that single women looking to play with couples are the unicorns of the swinging world but, with the number of bi women and bi fem couples, I'd suggest this isn't true. Aren't the REAL unicorns the single women willing to play with straight couples? Jay x I'd suggest that using the word 'unicorn' to describe women who swing is generally in poor taste. It traditionally symbolises women who are 'chaste' and 'sexually pure' - which has quite a sinister undertone to it on a site such as this." I would agree if that was the reason behind the nickname but I'd be astonished if that's the case. Surely it's because a unicorn is impossible to find?! You can find a negative in anything if you look hard enough. | |||
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"... a) I accept what you say It will not cause me any offence in my day-to-day life. It is not as if I will walk into work tomorrow morning and everyone there will point at me and sing-along, "here hops in the unicorn" b) No, I didn't. Like I said, until the mid-90s, we had a confectionery with the word in it; also the music was called as such. I never gave it a second thought When I came to your country, I was informed that this is not an acceptable word to use as it causes offence. I neither questioned nor investigated into the reasons; I just never used it here nor back home Things have moved on since; the said confectionery has been marketed for almost 15 years in this country too and has been re-branded, both here and back home I always take the view that it is much easier not to offend than to offer arguments in defence of offending people Calling bi-women, whatever, is unnecessary. Whilst some do not mind, others do" A) - fair enough
B) in curious to know which country you are from. If you would rather not say than my apologies for being nosey. I'm just curious to know. Feel free to pm me if you would rather keep this side of the conversation private.
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"... a) I accept what you say It will not cause me any offence in my day-to-day life. It is not as if I will walk into work tomorrow morning and everyone there will point at me and sing-along, "here hops in the unicorn" b) No, I didn't. Like I said, until the mid-90s, we had a confectionery with the word in it; also the music was called as such. I never gave it a second thought When I came to your country, I was informed that this is not an acceptable word to use as it causes offence. I neither questioned nor investigated into the reasons; I just never used it here nor back home Things have moved on since; the said confectionery has been marketed for almost 15 years in this country too and has been re-branded, both here and back home I always take the view that it is much easier not to offend than to offer arguments in defence of offending people Calling bi-women, whatever, is unnecessary. Whilst some do not mind, others do A) - fair enough
B) in curious to know which country you are from. If you would rather not say than my apologies for being nosey. I'm just curious to know. Feel free to pm me if you would rather keep this side of the conversation private.
I do agree with you that labelling isn't a necessity. But people do label and pigeon hole... It's just human nature. Unless the word used is intentionally derogatory (using your example of the N word, for instance), then I really don't understand the strong taking of offence about it that some on this thread have displayed. "No apology necessary; I am from Germany The word was used in the same way as Black rappers still use it in their lyrics here to this day and in this country. It was never intended to be derogatory or insulting (at least, not in Germany) and even in Germany, it came out of everyday use with the influx of undubbed Hollywood movies I still don't why it is considered offensive; I don't know the history. What I do know is that it is offensive to some / many and therefore I do not use it Frankly, I could not care less anymore what terms couples use to describe bi-women. For all intents and purposes, I don't really fall into that category as I am no longer looking for couples. Still seems a bit odd to me that once informed that some find it offensive, they insist on using it. What is even more odd is that some of the men, to whome this term is not and could not be applied, have decided that it is not an offensive term!!! | |||
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"Would you agree that some may not like to be referred to as a wasp? Just playing devils advocate. Haha I always found it funny given how she's always going on about labels and how everything is offensive or triggering that her username is straight from stormfront. " I don't agree with using the word "triggering" and I don't know what stormfront is. Sorry. | |||
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"I don't play with couples anymore. They will have to find their 'unicorns', 'playthings', 'performing seals', etc elsewhere" Same here. Sick of all the rules and regulations involved. Thought it was all about mutual enjoyment??? When I hear of couples moaning they can't find a bi fem to play with, I snigger because most of them bought it on themselves by making it an unpleasant experience! | |||
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I'd say that we're almost unicorny.
But we're not as rare as unicorns, at least we aren't in denial (number of messages from straight men that aren't straight - wtf?).
But then again, I am ginger, so, perhaps that adds to the rarity
I say that as being an open Bi male, and part of a Bi couple that plays in pretty much any combination.
My own personal unicorn is my now partner
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"Would you agree that some may not like to be referred to as a wasp? Just playing devils advocate. Haha I always found it funny given how she's always going on about labels and how everything is offensive or triggering that her username is straight from stormfront. I don't agree with using the word "triggering" and I don't know what stormfront is. Sorry." I genuinely find it hard to belive you don't know what stormfront is but fine it's the uks main white supremacist/neo nazi organisation. WASP is a very common phrase used in white supremacist circles White Anglo Saxon Protestant | |||
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"Would you agree that some may not like to be referred to as a wasp? Just playing devils advocate. Haha I always found it funny given how she's always going on about labels and how everything is offensive or triggering that her username is straight from stormfront. I don't agree with using the word "triggering" and I don't know what stormfront is. Sorry. My username is actually taken from an Iain Banks book." See what's funny is you got annoyed with unicorn because you associate with an interpretation of it about purity/virginity etc when most use it in the context of just meaning rare and are oblivious to its other meanings. You name I assume you chose because you like the character or thought it sounded cool yet I've always read it as having massively racist overtones. What's funny is if you actually signed up to any neo nazi/white supremacist site with that user name your in box would be full of messages from people thinking you were looking for a partner | |||
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"Would you agree that some may not like to be referred to as a wasp? Just playing devils advocate. Haha I always found it funny given how she's always going on about labels and how everything is offensive or triggering that her username is straight from stormfront. I don't agree with using the word "triggering" and I don't know what stormfront is. Sorry. I genuinely find it hard to belive you don't know what stormfront is but fine it's the uks main white supremacist/neo nazi organisation. WASP is a very common phrase used in white supremacist circles White Anglo Saxon Protestant " If that is your interpretation of her profile name, then the "hunter" part must be that she hunts them down | |||
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"Apparently Stormfront are my local Apple Experts? " Yeah that always struck me as amusing after I saw one of their stores all decked out in white
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"Would you agree that some may not like to be referred to as a wasp? Just playing devils advocate. Haha I always found it funny given how she's always going on about labels and how everything is offensive or triggering that her username is straight from stormfront. I don't agree with using the word "triggering" and I don't know what stormfront is. Sorry. I genuinely find it hard to belive you don't know what stormfront is but fine it's the uks main white supremacist/neo nazi organisation. WASP is a very common phrase used in white supremacist circles White Anglo Saxon Protestant If that is your interpretation of her profile name, then the "hunter" part must be that she hunts them down "Well yes. No different to the multitude of names on here with hunter in. "Unicorn hunter" "Bbw hunter " "Milf hunter" (I think that's actually a porn series) Etc | |||
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"Would you agree that some may not like to be referred to as a wasp? Just playing devils advocate. Haha I always found it funny given how she's always going on about labels and how everything is offensive or triggering that her username is straight from stormfront. I don't agree with using the word "triggering" and I don't know what stormfront is. Sorry. I genuinely find it hard to belive you don't know what stormfront is but fine it's the uks main white supremacist/neo nazi organisation. WASP is a very common phrase used in white supremacist circles White Anglo Saxon Protestant If that is your interpretation of her profile name, then the "hunter" part must be that she hunts them down
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No different to the multitude of names on here with hunter in.
"Unicorn hunter"
"Bbw hunter "
"Milf hunter" (I think that's actually a porn series)
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"Apparently Stormfront are my local Apple Experts? Yeah that always struck me as amusing after I saw one of their stores all decked out in white
Surprised anyone thought to use the name given the reputation of it being a site started by KKK members."I guess the empowerment has come from the fact that they have been forgotten about, or are not in common knowledge (unlike the KKK etc). But same with Isis... Hopefully one day they will be forgotten and the Goddess of Love will rule the roost. *shrugs* Ahh well, back to unicorns, although tbh, Phoenix used my horn so much last night I'm pretty much a horse this morning. LOL | |||
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"Would you agree that some may not like to be referred to as a wasp? Just playing devils advocate. Haha I always found it funny given how she's always going on about labels and how everything is offensive or triggering that her username is straight from stormfront. I don't agree with using the word "triggering" and I don't know what stormfront is. Sorry. My username is actually taken from an Iain Banks book. See what's funny is you got annoyed with unicorn because you associate with an interpretation of it about purity/virginity etc when most use it in the context of just meaning rare and are oblivious to its other meanings. You name I assume you chose because you like the character or thought it sounded cool yet I've always read it as having massively racist overtones. What's funny is if you actually signed up to any neo nazi/white supremacist site with that user name your in box would be full of messages from people thinking you were looking for a partner "The difference is - one is an established meaning that's been in use for centuries. The other is a minority terrorist group who have attempted (unsuccessfully) to hijack a word. | |||
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"Would you agree that some may not like to be referred to as a wasp? Just playing devils advocate. Haha I always found it funny given how she's always going on about labels and how everything is offensive or triggering that her username is straight from stormfront. I don't agree with using the word "triggering" and I don't know what stormfront is. Sorry. My username is actually taken from an Iain Banks book. See what's funny is you got annoyed with unicorn because you associate with an interpretation of it about purity/virginity etc when most use it in the context of just meaning rare and are oblivious to its other meanings. You name I assume you chose because you like the character or thought it sounded cool yet I've always read it as having massively racist overtones. What's funny is if you actually signed up to any neo nazi/white supremacist site with that user name your in box would be full of messages from people thinking you were looking for a partner
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The other is a minority terrorist group who have attempted (unsuccessfully) to hijack a word."Also it's not because it sounded cool - it's because the lead character in the wasp factory is a forced transgender individual. It seemed appropriate since I operate in a world where I'm forced not to be myself. You don't give me enough credit there - there is a deeper meaning involved which the kind of people I'm interested in *do* pick up on. Never had anyone email me and ask if I'm into white supremacy though. | |||
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"Would you agree that some may not like to be referred to as a wasp? Just playing devils advocate. Haha I always found it funny given how she's always going on about labels and how everything is offensive or triggering that her username is straight from stormfront. I don't agree with using the word "triggering" and I don't know what stormfront is. Sorry. My username is actually taken from an Iain Banks book. See what's funny is you got annoyed with unicorn because you associate with an interpretation of it about purity/virginity etc when most use it in the context of just meaning rare and are oblivious to its other meanings. You name I assume you chose because you like the character or thought it sounded cool yet I've always read it as having massively racist overtones. What's funny is if you actually signed up to any neo nazi/white supremacist site with that user name your in box would be full of messages from people thinking you were looking for a partner
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The other is a minority terrorist group who have attempted (unsuccessfully) to hijack a word."Not really wasp had long meant white Anglo Saxon protestant. Longer than both of us have been alive anyway. Also age doesn't really mean anything. Words change over time,heck just look at gay. | |||
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"Once you move away from online and go to clubs and socials you will find that they do exist In abundance we've found..." 'They' would in clubs on Saturdays where it is only couples and single women. Which is why I avoid Saturday nights at clubs unless accompanied by a male partner | |||
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"Would you agree that some may not like to be referred to as a wasp? Just playing devils advocate. Haha I always found it funny given how she's always going on about labels and how everything is offensive or triggering that her username is straight from stormfront. I don't agree with using the word "triggering" and I don't know what stormfront is. Sorry. My username is actually taken from an Iain Banks book. See what's funny is you got annoyed with unicorn because you associate with an interpretation of it about purity/virginity etc when most use it in the context of just meaning rare and are oblivious to its other meanings. You name I assume you chose because you like the character or thought it sounded cool yet I've always read it as having massively racist overtones. What's funny is if you actually signed up to any neo nazi/white supremacist site with that user name your in box would be full of messages from people thinking you were looking for a partner
The difference is - one is an established meaning that's been in use for centuries.
The other is a minority terrorist group who have attempted (unsuccessfully) to hijack a word.
Also it's not because it sounded cool - it's because the lead character in the wasp factory is a forced transgender individual. It seemed appropriate since I operate in a world where I'm forced not to be myself.
You don't give me enough credit there - there is a deeper meaning involved which the kind of people I'm interested in *do* pick up on.
Never had anyone email me and ask if I'm into white supremacy though."So because you associate with the character. Same reason anyone picks a name based on a book or film. | |||
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"Would you agree that some may not like to be referred to as a wasp? Just playing devils advocate. Haha I always found it funny given how she's always going on about labels and how everything is offensive or triggering that her username is straight from stormfront. I don't agree with using the word "triggering" and I don't know what stormfront is. Sorry. My username is actually taken from an Iain Banks book. See what's funny is you got annoyed with unicorn because you associate with an interpretation of it about purity/virginity etc when most use it in the context of just meaning rare and are oblivious to its other meanings. You name I assume you chose because you like the character or thought it sounded cool yet I've always read it as having massively racist overtones. What's funny is if you actually signed up to any neo nazi/white supremacist site with that user name your in box would be full of messages from people thinking you were looking for a partner
The difference is - one is an established meaning that's been in use for centuries.
The other is a minority terrorist group who have attempted (unsuccessfully) to hijack a word.
Not really wasp had long meant white Anglo Saxon protestant.
Longer than both of us have been alive anyway.
Also age doesn't really mean anything.
Words change over time,heck just look at gay.
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"Once you move away from online and go to clubs and socials you will find that they do exist In abundance we've found... 'They' would in clubs on Saturdays where it is only couples and single women. Which is why I avoid Saturday nights at clubs unless accompanied by a male partner" That a choice you're free to make. From our point of view we certainly don't go hunting for single, bi ladies. Point of fact we would much rather play with a friendly couple. Back to the original point, I made my 'abundance' post in relation to 1 specific comment, but having skimmed through the rest of the topic, I wish I had just backed away as this is all rather intense. . . But it has been an education and the 'U' word will never pass my lips again, not that it did in the first place, but still... | |||
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"Once you move away from online and go to clubs and socials you will find that they do exist In abundance we've found... 'They' would in clubs on Saturdays where it is only couples and single women. Which is why I avoid Saturday nights at clubs unless accompanied by a male partner That a choice you're free to make. From our point of view we certainly don't go hunting for single, bi ladies. Point of fact we would much rather play with a friendly couple. Back to the original point, I made my 'abundance' post in relation to 1 specific comment, but having skimmed through the rest of the topic, I wish I had just backed away as this is all rather intense. . . But it has been an education and the 'U' word will never pass my lips again, not that it did in the first place, but still..." Thank you; you didn't strike me as the kind of people who are deliberately out to cause offence; xxx | |||
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""White Anglo-Saxon Protestant (WASP) is an informal, sometimes disparaging term used to describe a closed circle of high-status and highly influential White Americans of English Protestant ancestry The term applies to a group which historically has controlled more social, political, and financial power in the United States than other groups in society Scholars agree that the group's influence has waned since the end of World War II, with the growing influence of other ethnic groups in the United States. The term is also used in Canada and Australia for similar elites The term is occasionally used by sociologists to include all Americans of North European ancestry regardless of their class or power People rarely call themselves WASPs, except humorously. The acronym is typically used by non-WASPs"" Also, not meaning Be too pedantic, but if I wanted to ally myself with the anachronism I would have capitalized that part of my username. I am referring to the animal, hence the user of lower caps. Semantics *are* important before accusing people of associating themselves with racist words. | |||
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"Once you move away from online and go to clubs and socials you will find that they do exist In abundance we've found... 'They' would in clubs on Saturdays where it is only couples and single women. Which is why I avoid Saturday nights at clubs unless accompanied by a male partner That a choice you're free to make. From our point of view we certainly don't go hunting for single, bi ladies. Point of fact we would much rather play with a friendly couple. Back to the original point, I made my 'abundance' post in relation to 1 specific comment, but having skimmed through the rest of the topic, I wish I had just backed away as this is all rather intense. . . But it has been an education and the 'U' word will never pass my lips again, not that it did in the first place, but still... Thank you; you didn't strike me as the kind of people who are deliberately out to cause offence; xxx" | |||
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"Is hens teeth or rocking horse poo a better saying for something rare then......" The point is, we're not that rare. | |||
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"Is hens teeth or rocking horse poo a better saying for something rare then......" I think you're missing several points here. 1. Rare by who's standards? As we previously noted, the rarity of bisexuality single ladies is something of a myth. 2. Use if silly names to describe such people is, in all likelihood, only going to make you less attractive to them, thus escalating the issue. We are a bisexual couple who like to meet other bisexual people. We spent months looking for them without success. The moment we stopped 'hunting' we suddenly found that we were falling over ourselves with amazing meets, with both couples and singles. Just going with the flow and being relaxed seems to get much better results that attempting to engineer them... #lifelesson... | |||
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"Is hens teeth or rocking horse poo a better saying for something rare then......" No, it isn't Single bisexual woman is sufficient Unless you were describing something else rare which you are seeking and who is seeking you; then I don't know | |||
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"It must be really hard work living in a world where your constantly offended by the most simplest of things. It wears me out just reading it "I agree! We're clearly in minority, unicorn shit even.... | |||
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"It must be really hard work living in a world where your constantly offended by the most simplest of things. It wears me out just reading it
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"A single heterosexual woman who will meet socially with a male and female heterosexual couple would not be rare at all However, a single heterosexual woman who will have sex with both, male and female heterosexuals in a relationship would indeed be extremely rare. A couple of 'sexual parameters' will need to be tweaked (a lot) "Who said that the heterosexual women would have sex with each other? In most MFM encounters, i dont believe the men have sex with each other, so why would it be any different in a heterosexual FMF? | |||
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"A single heterosexual woman who will meet socially with a male and female heterosexual couple would not be rare at all However, a single heterosexual woman who will have sex with both, male and female heterosexuals in a relationship would indeed be extremely rare. A couple of 'sexual parameters' will need to be tweaked (a lot)
Who said that the heterosexual women would have sex with each other?
In most MFM encounters, i dont believe the men have sex with each other, so why would it be any different in a heterosexual FMF? "I was just thinking what I would do. If all I was having was sex with the male in the couple, then why meet a couple. Much easier and hassle free for me to meet a man (or men - MFM - and I am not a couple) But you are right; there must be heterosexual women who meet heterosexual couples and have sex with the male only. And I guess, they must be quite rare. Or maybe they are not; I don't know | |||
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"Would you agree that some may not like to be referred to as a wasp? Just playing devils advocate. Haha I always found it funny given how she's always going on about labels and how everything is offensive or triggering that her username is straight from stormfront. I don't agree with using the word "triggering" and I don't know what stormfront is. Sorry. My username is actually taken from an Iain Banks book." This is my point. Anything can be misinterpreted. It's the intention that's important | |||
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""White Anglo-Saxon Protestant (WASP) is an informal, sometimes disparaging term used to describe a closed circle of high-status and highly influential White Americans of English Protestant ancestry The term applies to a group which historically has controlled more social, political, and financial power in the United States than other groups in society Scholars agree that the group's influence has waned since the end of World War II, with the growing influence of other ethnic groups in the United States. The term is also used in Canada and Australia for similar elites The term is occasionally used by sociologists to include all Americans of North European ancestry regardless of their class or power People rarely call themselves WASPs, except humorously. The acronym is typically used by non-WASPs" Also, not meaning Be too pedantic, but if I wanted to ally myself with the anachronism I would have capitalized that part of my username. I am referring to the animal, hence the user of lower caps. Semantics *are* important before accusing people of associating themselves with racist words." You've missed the point...again. I don't have a problem with your name but some people might. Just like the use of unicorn. Maybe some people may not like being called a wasp. It all comes down to your interpretation. If you asked a random person, would you like to be called a wasp or a unicorn, I'm confident the fast majority will say unicorn | |||
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""White Anglo-Saxon Protestant (WASP) is an informal, sometimes disparaging term used to describe a closed circle of high-status and highly influential White Americans of English Protestant ancestry The term applies to a group which historically has controlled more social, political, and financial power in the United States than other groups in society Scholars agree that the group's influence has waned since the end of World War II, with the growing influence of other ethnic groups in the United States. The term is also used in Canada and Australia for similar elites The term is occasionally used by sociologists to include all Americans of North European ancestry regardless of their class or power People rarely call themselves WASPs, except humorously. The acronym is typically used by non-WASPs" Also, not meaning Be too pedantic, but if I wanted to ally myself with the anachronism I would have capitalized that part of my username. I am referring to the animal, hence the user of lower caps. Semantics *are* important before accusing people of associating themselves with racist words. You've missed the point...again. I don't have a problem with your name but some people might. Just like the use of unicorn. Maybe some people may not like being called a wasp. It all comes down to your interpretation. If you asked a random person, would you like to be called a wasp or a unicorn, I'm confident the fast majority will say unicorn " Her username is chosen by her and defines her; she is neither choosing labels for you nor for anyone else It is the same as when I read a comment (or thread, I can't remember) by a Pakistani guy, using what I was told is a derogatory term against people from that part of the world, to describe himself. How can I find that offensive if he doesn't But if someone else described him like that then he will have every right to be offended and I will support him This term neither applies to you nor designed to describe you; so whether you are offended by it or not is besides the point. And whether you think that the number of women on this thread who are offended are over-reacting or not, is also besides the point. How would you know if it is insulting to them or or not. Are you a single bisexual woman? | |||
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""White Anglo-Saxon Protestant (WASP) is an informal, sometimes disparaging term used to describe a closed circle of high-status and highly influential White Americans of English Protestant ancestry The term applies to a group which historically has controlled more social, political, and financial power in the United States than other groups in society Scholars agree that the group's influence has waned since the end of World War II, with the growing influence of other ethnic groups in the United States. The term is also used in Canada and Australia for similar elites The term is occasionally used by sociologists to include all Americans of North European ancestry regardless of their class or power People rarely call themselves WASPs, except humorously. The acronym is typically used by non-WASPs" Also, not meaning Be too pedantic, but if I wanted to ally myself with the anachronism I would have capitalized that part of my username. I am referring to the animal, hence the user of lower caps. Semantics *are* important before accusing people of associating themselves with racist words. You've missed the point...again. I don't have a problem with your name but some people might. Just like the use of unicorn. Maybe some people may not like being called a wasp. It all comes down to your interpretation. If you asked a random person, would you like to be called a wasp or a unicorn, I'm confident the fast majority will say unicorn Her username is chosen by her and defines her; she is neither choosing labels for you nor for anyone else It is the same as when I read a comment (or thread, I can't remember) by a Pakistani guy, using what I was told is a derogatory term against people from that part of the world, to describe himself. How can I find that offensive if he doesn't But if someone else described him like that then he will have every right to be offended and I will support him This term neither applies to you nor designed to describe you; so whether you are offended by it or not is besides the point. And whether you think that the number of women on this thread who are offended are over-reacting or not, is also besides the point. How would you know if it is insulting to them or or not. Are you a single bisexual woman?" Please re-read my comments. I'd be embarrassed if I were you. My point is, it's extremely shall we say odd, that she can say this, "I'd suggest that using the word 'unicorn' to describe women who swing is generally in poor taste. It traditionally symbolises women who are 'chaste' and 'sexually pure' - which has quite a sinister undertone to it on a site such as this." She has done the same thing in her name... To repeat myself, the intention of the word is the important thing but she doesn't seem to think so. | |||
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""White Anglo-Saxon Protestant (WASP) is an informal, sometimes disparaging term used to describe a closed circle of high-status and highly influential White Americans of English Protestant ancestry The term applies to a group which historically has controlled more social, political, and financial power in the United States than other groups in society Scholars agree that the group's influence has waned since the end of World War II, with the growing influence of other ethnic groups in the United States. The term is also used in Canada and Australia for similar elites The term is occasionally used by sociologists to include all Americans of North European ancestry regardless of their class or power People rarely call themselves WASPs, except humorously. The acronym is typically used by non-WASPs" Also, not meaning Be too pedantic, but if I wanted to ally myself with the anachronism I would have capitalized that part of my username. I am referring to the animal, hence the user of lower caps. Semantics *are* important before accusing people of associating themselves with racist words. You've missed the point...again. I don't have a problem with your name but some people might. Just like the use of unicorn. Maybe some people may not like being called a wasp. It all comes down to your interpretation. If you asked a random person, would you like to be called a wasp or a unicorn, I'm confident the fast majority will say unicorn Her username is chosen by her and defines her; she is neither choosing labels for you nor for anyone else It is the same as when I read a comment (or thread, I can't remember) by a Pakistani guy, using what I was told is a derogatory term against people from that part of the world, to describe himself. How can I find that offensive if he doesn't But if someone else described him like that then he will have every right to be offended and I will support him This term neither applies to you nor designed to describe you; so whether you are offended by it or not is besides the point. And whether you think that the number of women on this thread who are offended are over-reacting or not, is also besides the point. How would you know if it is insulting to them or or not. Are you a single bisexual woman? Please re-read my comments. I'd be embarrassed if I were you. My point is, it's extremely shall we say odd, that she can say this, "I'd suggest that using the word 'unicorn' to describe women who swing is generally in poor taste. It traditionally symbolises women who are 'chaste' and 'sexually pure' - which has quite a sinister undertone to it on a site such as this." She has done the same thing in her name... To repeat myself, the intention of the word is the important thing but she doesn't seem to think so." You are simply not getting it, are you? Your good intentions are not making it any better for her, me or the several other women who have responded on this thread stating that they find this a negative term. Stop trying to tell us how we should feel!!! By all means be offended and find it odd how she describes herself. Just like I thought it was odd the way that Pakistani guy described himself. That didn't then give me carte blanche to call some other Pakistani guy the same under the cover of, well, the last one didn't feel offended so why are you Hooray that you are not offended and know, on our behalf, that we are all over-acting; thank you for putting us in our place | |||
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""White Anglo-Saxon Protestant (WASP) is an informal, sometimes disparaging term used to describe a closed circle of high-status and highly influential White Americans of English Protestant ancestry The term applies to a group which historically has controlled more social, political, and financial power in the United States than other groups in society Scholars agree that the group's influence has waned since the end of World War II, with the growing influence of other ethnic groups in the United States. The term is also used in Canada and Australia for similar elites The term is occasionally used by sociologists to include all Americans of North European ancestry regardless of their class or power People rarely call themselves WASPs, except humorously. The acronym is typically used by non-WASPs" Also, not meaning Be too pedantic, but if I wanted to ally myself with the anachronism I would have capitalized that part of my username. I am referring to the animal, hence the user of lower caps. Semantics *are* important before accusing people of associating themselves with racist words. You've missed the point...again. I don't have a problem with your name but some people might. Just like the use of unicorn. Maybe some people may not like being called a wasp. It all comes down to your interpretation. If you asked a random person, would you like to be called a wasp or a unicorn, I'm confident the fast majority will say unicorn Her username is chosen by her and defines her; she is neither choosing labels for you nor for anyone else It is the same as when I read a comment (or thread, I can't remember) by a Pakistani guy, using what I was told is a derogatory term against people from that part of the world, to describe himself. How can I find that offensive if he doesn't But if someone else described him like that then he will have every right to be offended and I will support him This term neither applies to you nor designed to describe you; so whether you are offended by it or not is besides the point. And whether you think that the number of women on this thread who are offended are over-reacting or not, is also besides the point. How would you know if it is insulting to them or or not. Are you a single bisexual woman? Please re-read my comments. I'd be embarrassed if I were you. My point is, it's extremely shall we say odd, that she can say this, "I'd suggest that using the word 'unicorn' to describe women who swing is generally in poor taste. It traditionally symbolises women who are 'chaste' and 'sexually pure' - which has quite a sinister undertone to it on a site such as this." She has done the same thing in her name... To repeat myself, the intention of the word is the important thing but she doesn't seem to think so. You are simply not getting it, are you? Your good intentions are not making it any better for her, me or the several other women who have responded on this thread stating that they find this a negative term. Stop trying to tell us how we should feel!!! By all means be offended and find it odd how she describes herself. Just like I thought it was odd the way that Pakistani guy described himself. That didn't then give me carte blanche to call some other Pakistani guy the same under the cover of, well, the last one didn't feel offended so why are you Hooray that you are not offended and know, on our behalf, that we are all over-acting; thank you for putting us in our place" Please indicate where I have and I will apologise. | |||
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""White Anglo-Saxon Protestant (WASP) is an informal, sometimes disparaging term used to describe a closed circle of high-status and highly influential White Americans of English Protestant ancestry The term applies to a group which historically has controlled more social, political, and financial power in the United States than other groups in society Scholars agree that the group's influence has waned since the end of World War II, with the growing influence of other ethnic groups in the United States. The term is also used in Canada and Australia for similar elites The term is occasionally used by sociologists to include all Americans of North European ancestry regardless of their class or power People rarely call themselves WASPs, except humorously. The acronym is typically used by non-WASPs" Also, not meaning Be too pedantic, but if I wanted to ally myself with the anachronism I would have capitalized that part of my username. I am referring to the animal, hence the user of lower caps. Semantics *are* important before accusing people of associating themselves with racist words. You've missed the point...again. I don't have a problem with your name but some people might. Just like the use of unicorn. Maybe some people may not like being called a wasp. It all comes down to your interpretation. If you asked a random person, would you like to be called a wasp or a unicorn, I'm confident the fast majority will say unicorn Her username is chosen by her and defines her; she is neither choosing labels for you nor for anyone else It is the same as when I read a comment (or thread, I can't remember) by a Pakistani guy, using what I was told is a derogatory term against people from that part of the world, to describe himself. How can I find that offensive if he doesn't But if someone else described him like that then he will have every right to be offended and I will support him This term neither applies to you nor designed to describe you; so whether you are offended by it or not is besides the point. And whether you think that the number of women on this thread who are offended are over-reacting or not, is also besides the point. How would you know if it is insulting to them or or not. Are you a single bisexual woman? Please re-read my comments. I'd be embarrassed if I were you. My point is, it's extremely shall we say odd, that she can say this, "I'd suggest that using the word 'unicorn' to describe women who swing is generally in poor taste. It traditionally symbolises women who are 'chaste' and 'sexually pure' - which has quite a sinister undertone to it on a site such as this." She has done the same thing in her name... To repeat myself, the intention of the word is the important thing but she doesn't seem to think so. You are simply not getting it, are you? Your good intentions are not making it any better for her, me or the several other women who have responded on this thread stating that they find this a negative term. Stop trying to tell us how we should feel!!! By all means be offended and find it odd how she describes herself. Just like I thought it was odd the way that Pakistani guy described himself. That didn't then give me carte blanche to call some other Pakistani guy the same under the cover of, well, the last one didn't feel offended so why are you Hooray that you are not offended and know, on our behalf, that we are all over-acting; thank you for putting us in our place" I don't think he is trying to put you in your place. His point about WASP is an interesting one. I actually read her name that way, possibly because I'm American and it's a term used fairly frequently over there. And I've never heard of the character she is referencing. That's fine. She isn't directing her name to find people like me and those she is looking for May know the reference. I *think* his point is just that everyone can forget that terms can be offensive to some and not to others. That intent is important, but that context is too. You are more than free to be offended at any terminology. But recognizing a certain degree of hypocrisy is important when it arises. -Courtney | |||
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""White Anglo-Saxon Protestant (WASP) is an informal, sometimes disparaging term used to describe a closed circle of high-status and highly influential White Americans of English Protestant ancestry The term applies to a group which historically has controlled more social, political, and financial power in the United States than other groups in society Scholars agree that the group's influence has waned since the end of World War II, with the growing influence of other ethnic groups in the United States. The term is also used in Canada and Australia for similar elites The term is occasionally used by sociologists to include all Americans of North European ancestry regardless of their class or power People rarely call themselves WASPs, except humorously. The acronym is typically used by non-WASPs" Also, not meaning Be too pedantic, but if I wanted to ally myself with the anachronism I would have capitalized that part of my username. I am referring to the animal, hence the user of lower caps. Semantics *are* important before accusing people of associating themselves with racist words. You've missed the point...again. I don't have a problem with your name but some people might. Just like the use of unicorn. Maybe some people may not like being called a wasp. It all comes down to your interpretation. If you asked a random person, would you like to be called a wasp or a unicorn, I'm confident the fast majority will say unicorn Her username is chosen by her and defines her; she is neither choosing labels for you nor for anyone else It is the same as when I read a comment (or thread, I can't remember) by a Pakistani guy, using what I was told is a derogatory term against people from that part of the world, to describe himself. How can I find that offensive if he doesn't But if someone else described him like that then he will have every right to be offended and I will support him This term neither applies to you nor designed to describe you; so whether you are offended by it or not is besides the point. And whether you think that the number of women on this thread who are offended are over-reacting or not, is also besides the point. How would you know if it is insulting to them or or not. Are you a single bisexual woman? Please re-read my comments. I'd be embarrassed if I were you. My point is, it's extremely shall we say odd, that she can say this, "I'd suggest that using the word 'unicorn' to describe women who swing is generally in poor taste. It traditionally symbolises women who are 'chaste' and 'sexually pure' - which has quite a sinister undertone to it on a site such as this." She has done the same thing in her name... To repeat myself, the intention of the word is the important thing but she doesn't seem to think so. You are simply not getting it, are you? Your good intentions are not making it any better for her, me or the several other women who have responded on this thread stating that they find this a negative term. Stop trying to tell us how we should feel!!! By all means be offended and find it odd how she describes herself. Just like I thought it was odd the way that Pakistani guy described himself. That didn't then give me carte blanche to call some other Pakistani guy the same under the cover of, well, the last one didn't feel offended so why are you Hooray that you are not offended and know, on our behalf, that we are all over-acting; thank you for putting us in our place I don't think he is trying to put you in your place. His point about WASP is an interesting one. I actually read her name that way, possibly because I'm American and it's a term used fairly frequently over there. And I've never heard of the character she is referencing. That's fine. She isn't directing her name to find people like me and those she is looking for May know the reference. I *think* his point is just that everyone can forget that terms can be offensive to some and not to others. That intent is important, but that context is too. You are more than free to be offended at any terminology. But recognizing a certain degree of hypocrisy is important when it arises. -Courtney" | |||
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"... Hooray that you are not offended and know, on our behalf, that we are all over-acting; thank you for putting us in our place Please indicate where I have and I will apologise." "You can find a negative in anything if you look hard enough." It is truly not up to you to tell us that this is a innocent term and that we should not feel the negativity Guess what; most of the couples and single guys agree with you. But how on Earth does it affect them or not Some women agree with you too. But many do not. Isn't it up to us to decide what we like or don't like? Or is it up to the couples (one half is male and it is mostly the male half responding on this thread) and single males to tell us what is in our best interests This is really turning me off the over-bearing male to the point that I think I would prefer to be lesbian | |||
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""White Anglo-Saxon Protestant (WASP) is an informal, sometimes disparaging term used to describe a closed circle of high-status and highly influential White Americans of English Protestant ancestry The term applies to a group which historically has controlled more social, political, and financial power in the United States than other groups in society Scholars agree that the group's influence has waned since the end of World War II, with the growing influence of other ethnic groups in the United States. The term is also used in Canada and Australia for similar elites The term is occasionally used by sociologists to include all Americans of North European ancestry regardless of their class or power People rarely call themselves WASPs, except humorously. The acronym is typically used by non-WASPs" Also, not meaning Be too pedantic, but if I wanted to ally myself with the anachronism I would have capitalized that part of my username. I am referring to the animal, hence the user of lower caps. Semantics *are* important before accusing people of associating themselves with racist words. You've missed the point...again. I don't have a problem with your name but some people might. Just like the use of unicorn. Maybe some people may not like being called a wasp. It all comes down to your interpretation. If you asked a random person, would you like to be called a wasp or a unicorn, I'm confident the fast majority will say unicorn Her username is chosen by her and defines her; she is neither choosing labels for you nor for anyone else It is the same as when I read a comment (or thread, I can't remember) by a Pakistani guy, using what I was told is a derogatory term against people from that part of the world, to describe himself. How can I find that offensive if he doesn't But if someone else described him like that then he will have every right to be offended and I will support him This term neither applies to you nor designed to describe you; so whether you are offended by it or not is besides the point. And whether you think that the number of women on this thread who are offended are over-reacting or not, is also besides the point. How would you know if it is insulting to them or or not. Are you a single bisexual woman? Please re-read my comments. I'd be embarrassed if I were you. My point is, it's extremely shall we say odd, that she can say this, "I'd suggest that using the word 'unicorn' to describe women who swing is generally in poor taste. It traditionally symbolises women who are 'chaste' and 'sexually pure' - which has quite a sinister undertone to it on a site such as this." She has done the same thing in her name... To repeat myself, the intention of the word is the important thing but she doesn't seem to think so. You are simply not getting it, are you? Your good intentions are not making it any better for her, me or the several other women who have responded on this thread stating that they find this a negative term. Stop trying to tell us how we should feel!!! By all means be offended and find it odd how she describes herself. Just like I thought it was odd the way that Pakistani guy described himself. That didn't then give me carte blanche to call some other Pakistani guy the same under the cover of, well, the last one didn't feel offended so why are you Hooray that you are not offended and know, on our behalf, that we are all over-acting; thank you for putting us in our place I don't think he is trying to put you in your place. His point about WASP is an interesting one. I actually read her name that way, possibly because I'm American and it's a term used fairly frequently over there. And I've never heard of the character she is referencing. That's fine. She isn't directing her name to find people like me and those she is looking for May know the reference. I *think* his point is just that everyone can forget that terms can be offensive to some and not to others. That intent is important, but that context is too. You are more than free to be offended at any terminology. But recognizing a certain degree of hypocrisy is important when it arises. -Courtney" Thank you Courtney. You articulated my point far better then I did. | |||
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"... Hooray that you are not offended and know, on our behalf, that we are all over-acting; thank you for putting us in our place Please indicate where I have and I will apologise. "You can find a negative in anything if you look hard enough." It is truly not up to you to tell us that this is a innocent term and that we should not feel the negativity Guess what; most of the couples and single guys agree with you. But how on Earth does it affect them or not Some women agree with you too. But many do not. Isn't it up to us to decide what we like or don't like? Or is it up to the couples (one half is male and it is mostly the male half responding on this thread) and single males to tell us what is in our best interests This is really turning me off the over-bearing male to the point that I think I would prefer to be lesbian" Ummm...is anyone else confused?! How am I telling you how to think by saying, "You can find a negative in anything if you look hard enough." | |||
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