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"Following one of my recent forum replies I thought I would put this out there for discussion, When I upload a photograph Fab automatically watermarks it, this immediately ties that picture to a Fab account, in our case this compromised our privacy, what were non-compromising photographs (face pics/fully clothed) became incriminating purely because of the watermark. So, why are they watermarked in the first place, what purpose does that achieve. Does anyone else feel that it may be better to stop this process?" Nope. You don't say how your privacy was 'compromised' ? If it's a vanilla shot then it's easy to maintain plausible deniability. Simple to say 'oh some twat has used a normal pic of us without us knowing!' If you're stark bollock naked in a pile of naked bodies with faces on show then it's harder to do. It's simple of course for anyone to just crop the watermark off the bottom - but I see no benefit in removing them. A | |||
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"I didn't know that they do watermark them. None of mine seem to be and I haven't seen any watermarks on anyone else's (unless they are obviously put there by the person themself)" All of yours have watermarks on. It's the profile address at the bottom. | |||
"Don't put pictures on the internet on swingers sites if being compromised means you could lose something important." I agree with this ^^  | |||
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"Don't put pictures on the internet on swingers sites if being compromised means you could lose something important." Hear hear | |||
"Don't put pictures on the internet on swingers sites if being compromised means you could lose something important." I agree to a point, however these were face pictures, sent in good faith and not publicly viewable. | |||
"Following one of my recent forum replies I thought I would put this out there for discussion, When I upload a photograph Fab automatically watermarks it, this immediately ties that picture to a Fab account, in our case this compromised our privacy, what were non-compromising photographs (face pics/fully clothed) became incriminating purely because of the watermark. So, why are they watermarked in the first place, what purpose does that achieve. Does anyone else feel that it may be better to stop this process? Nope. You don't say how your privacy was 'compromised' ? If it's a vanilla shot then it's easy to maintain plausible deniability. Simple to say 'oh some twat has used a normal pic of us without us knowing!' If you're stark bollock naked in a pile of naked bodies with faces on show then it's harder to do. It's simple of course for anyone to just crop the watermark off the bottom - but I see no benefit in removing them. A" That's sort of my point, these were vanilla shots that were only incriminating as a result of the watermark. Had it not been so we wouldn't have to resort to plausible deniability. | |||
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"I know you can opt out of turning up in search engines etc which may help you feel a little better x" Already in place, but great advice all the same. | |||
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"I know you can opt out of turning up in search engines etc which may help you feel a little better x" Not really where I was going, it was more the fact that it turns an innocent picture into something very different that can then be used against you (as happened to us). | |||
"never heard of this watermark either ...first ive heard of it " When you upload a picture it's added automatically. | |||
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"hope it didnt cause you guys too much trouble" Could've been worse, fortunately the reporter that came to our door twice mustn't have felt confident enough to attemp a story. And yes it really was that bad! | |||
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"Don't put pictures on the internet on swingers sites if being compromised means you could lose something important." aporeciate what you are saying but would have expected to be warned that this would happen when i uploaded a pic ...i certainly dont recall any such notification if there was one | |||
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"Don't put pictures on the internet on swingers sites if being compromised means you could lose something important. aporeciate what you are saying but would have expected to be warned that this would happen when i uploaded a pic ...i certainly dont recall any such notification if there was one " Really? You want a warning that says: 'danger: you are uploading a picture to a sex site. Your family, friends, or employment might one day find this picture on this profile and it could cause you trouble.' The internet is not a safe place. People should take sensible precautions. It's not the site's responsibility to protect you from the world. | |||
"Don't put pictures on the internet on swingers sites if being compromised means you could lose something important." A simple solution that people rarely consider. If you have too much to lose being outed, then don't post pics online. Too easy to lose control of them. | |||
"It's a safety thing, normally to stop other people using the pics on fake accounts, etc would be far better if they disabled right click, so people couldn't save pics at all " You can still save pictures even if there is a 'no right click' script in place on the site. It's even easier to just screen capture them. | |||
"It's a safety thing, normally to stop other people using the pics on fake accounts, etc would be far better if they disabled right click, so people couldn't save pics at all You can still save pictures even if there is a 'no right click' script in place on the site. It's even easier to just screen capture them." Downside of modern technology, they could design a symbol for a watermark that faintly goes across the whole image that way it's not a website name, easy enough to design them | |||
"Don't put pictures on the internet on swingers sites if being compromised means you could lose something important. A simple solution that people rarely consider. If you have too much to lose being outed, then don't post pics online. Too easy to lose control of them." But my point was they weren't "posted online" they were sent in a private message in good faith. | |||
"very close call !! thanks for bringing it to our attention" | |||
"Don't put pictures on the internet on swingers sites if being compromised means you could lose something important. A simple solution that people rarely consider. If you have too much to lose being outed, then don't post pics online. Too easy to lose control of them. But my point was they weren't "posted online" they were sent in a private message in good faith." To people that you know? Or to random strangers on the internet who could be absolutely anyone? | |||
"Don't put pictures on the internet on swingers sites if being compromised means you could lose something important. aporeciate what you are saying but would have expected to be warned that this would happen when i uploaded a pic ...i certainly dont recall any such notification if there was one Really? You want a warning that says: 'danger: you are uploading a picture to a sex site. Your family, friends, or employment might one day find this picture on this profile and it could cause you trouble.' The internet is not a safe place. People should take sensible precautions. It's not the site's responsibility to protect you from the world." So why watermark them, don't see how it benefits anyone? | |||
"Don't put pictures on the internet on swingers sites if being compromised means you could lose something important. A simple solution that people rarely consider. If you have too much to lose being outed, then don't post pics online. Too easy to lose control of them. But my point was they weren't "posted online" they were sent in a private message in good faith." What happened to you would have happened whether or not there was a watermark on your pics. If you are so high profile in your community you should have considered, instead of sending pics from the site, emailing watermark-free pics instead. I assume you knew they were watermarked before you sent them? | |||
"Don't put pictures on the internet on swingers sites if being compromised means you could lose something important. A simple solution that people rarely consider. If you have too much to lose being outed, then don't post pics online. Too easy to lose control of them. But my point was they weren't "posted online" they were sent in a private message in good faith. To people that you know? Or to random strangers on the internet who could be absolutely anyone?" There is the option to remove pics from messages once they've been sent, kind of helps if you do it before they can screen shot them etc | |||
"Don't put pictures on the internet on swingers sites if being compromised means you could lose something important. A simple solution that people rarely consider. If you have too much to lose being outed, then don't post pics online. Too easy to lose control of them. But my point was they weren't "posted online" they were sent in a private message in good faith. To people that you know? Or to random strangers on the internet who could be absolutely anyone?" LOL, obviously the latter as it turned out! We had been chatting for quite some time and were looking to take it to the next stage and arrange a meet. | |||
"Don't put pictures on the internet on swingers sites if being compromised means you could lose something important. A simple solution that people rarely consider. If you have too much to lose being outed, then don't post pics online. Too easy to lose control of them. But my point was they weren't "posted online" they were sent in a private message in good faith. What happened to you would have happened whether or not there was a watermark on your pics. If you are so high profile in your community you should have considered, instead of sending pics from the site, emailing watermark-free pics instead. I assume you knew they were watermarked before you sent them?" Hindsight is a wonderful thing. | |||
"Don't put pictures on the internet on swingers sites if being compromised means you could lose something important. A simple solution that people rarely consider. If you have too much to lose being outed, then don't post pics online. Too easy to lose control of them. But my point was they weren't "posted online" they were sent in a private message in good faith. To people that you know? Or to random strangers on the internet who could be absolutely anyone? There is the option to remove pics from messages once they've been sent, kind of helps if you do it before they can screen shot them etc " Yes, started to use that feature so some more great advice thanks. I think it's a relatively new feature though, don't remember seeing it back then.  | |||
" So why watermark them, don't see how it benefits anyone?" It makes it a little harder for other people to take those pictures and impersonate you or use them on their own profile. | |||
"Don't put pictures on the internet on swingers sites if being compromised means you could lose something important. A simple solution that people rarely consider. If you have too much to lose being outed, then don't post pics online. Too easy to lose control of them. But my point was they weren't "posted online" they were sent in a private message in good faith. To people that you know? Or to random strangers on the internet who could be absolutely anyone? There is the option to remove pics from messages once they've been sent, kind of helps if you do it before they can screen shot them etc " I keep a copy when pictures are sent to me in a private message - IF they are someone I've been chatting with and am looking to meet. I keep the pictures along with a few notes on what they enjoy, etc. Not for any malicious reason, just so that I can remember who they are. I would imagine other people do the same. | |||
"Don't put pictures on the internet on swingers sites if being compromised means you could lose something important. A simple solution that people rarely consider. If you have too much to lose being outed, then don't post pics online. Too easy to lose control of them. But my point was they weren't "posted online" they were sent in a private message in good faith. What happened to you would have happened whether or not there was a watermark on your pics. If you are so high profile in your community you should have considered, instead of sending pics from the site, emailing watermark-free pics instead. I assume you knew they were watermarked before you sent them?" Yes, we knew they were watermarked but got drawn in and became too trusting which was our fault, not blaming anyone but us and the people responsible. The post was really questioning the reason/appropriateness of them being watermarked in the first place. This wouldn't have been the same either way as we don't have a problem with naked pictures being out in the wild providing you cannot identify us, this is very different to pictures that show faces that only become a problem when they have fabswingers plastered over them. | |||
" So why watermark them, don't see how it benefits anyone? It makes it a little harder for other people to take those pictures and impersonate you or use them on their own profile." Oh I understand that, just questioning if that trade-off makes sense, and hey it might do just wanted to put it out there and get people's views. | |||
"Aside from the rights and wrongs, just what is the point of FAB watermarking photos that don't belong to them?" The simple reason is this. The watermark displays the profile name of the person it belongs to. It is intended to prevent other people nicking your pictures and using them as their own. | |||
"I didn't know that they do watermark them. None of mine seem to be and I haven't seen any watermarks on anyone else's (unless they are obviously put there by the person themself) All of yours have watermarks on. It's the profile address at the bottom." well I never knew that, that's great  | |||
"Don't put pictures on the internet on swingers sites if being compromised means you could lose something important. A simple solution that people rarely consider. If you have too much to lose being outed, then don't post pics online. Too easy to lose control of them. But my point was they weren't "posted online" they were sent in a private message in good faith. To people that you know? Or to random strangers on the internet who could be absolutely anyone? There is the option to remove pics from messages once they've been sent, kind of helps if you do it before they can screen shot them etc I keep a copy when pictures are sent to me in a private message - IF they are someone I've been chatting with and am looking to meet. I keep the pictures along with a few notes on what they enjoy, etc. Not for any malicious reason, just so that I can remember who they are. I would imagine other people do the same." I do that, but have found that some remove their pics, so I have to keep asking them to send a new one to refresh the brain lol | |||
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"Get real folks. With Adobe-shop. You can remove any watermarks on pictures with ease. Just under 3 minutes job done. As for me is a complete waste of time and effort. The only way to protect your picture is to blur - password it. Unfortunate fab don't have such facility. " Agreed so given that it's not going to stop people stealing and using your pictures why bother. | |||
"Given the ease with which a pic can be downloaded/screen captured, then the watermark cropped off, I'd suggest the watermarking is of little value with respect to security. I can understand the op's point. If you upload a pic on here, whether it's public or not, it will be watermarked. Thus, when you send a private face pic to someone, the danger is that this innocent pic can now associate you with a swingers site. Duly noted "Thanks, I think you're the first to get it. | |||
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"Given the ease with which a pic can be downloaded/screen captured, then the watermark cropped off, I'd suggest the watermarking is of little value with respect to security. I can understand the op's point. If you upload a pic on here, whether it's public or not, it will be watermarked. Thus, when you send a private face pic to someone, the danger is that this innocent pic can now associate you with a swingers site. Duly noted
Thanks, I think you're the first to get it. "I think other people get it. But not sure why you can't just claim the same ignorance you do with other pictures. "Someone must have nicked a picture off my Facebook and is using it on a swingers site" etc. | |||
"Given the ease with which a pic can be downloaded/screen captured, then the watermark cropped off, I'd suggest the watermarking is of little value with respect to security. I can understand the op's point. If you upload a pic on here, whether it's public or not, it will be watermarked. Thus, when you send a private face pic to someone, the danger is that this innocent pic can now associate you with a swingers site. Duly noted
Thanks, I think you're the first to get it.
I think other people get it.
But not sure why you can't just claim the same ignorance you do with other pictures.
"Someone must have nicked a picture off my Facebook and is using it on a swingers site" etc."Without the watermark we wouldn't have to. | |||
"Don't put pictures on the internet on swingers sites if being compromised means you could lose something important." | |||
"We really don't like the watermark either. It doesn't serve much of a purpose since it is easily removable. Having said that, we knew it was put there (it isn't a secret) and so we never send face pics on fab. We have no face pics saved in our private pics either. If we trust people enough to send face pics we tell them we don't send them on fab for privacy reasons and we find another way. There are a ton of different ways to send them. And if they don't accept that, then we don't meet. Simple as that. -Courtney" Good advice, I think we'll adopt that policy too. Thanks for your input. | |||
"You are absolutely correct OP. There is a big difference between your pics out on the Internet + your face pics watermarked by a swinging site. That's why I don't have any face pics on here- just not worth it. Sex is available everywhere but my face is my career " | |||
"Don't put pictures on the internet on swingers sites if being compromised means you could lose something important." Agreed! | |||
You've copied your own picture, sent it to someone outside of FAB, not noticing the FAB address and now want to lay blame here?, am I right?
As I can't see why you'd be bothered, if you were communicating on here, maybe use a picture, not lifted from your profile, or cut it off the bottom, next time. | |||
"Given the ease with which a pic can be downloaded/screen captured, then the watermark cropped off, I'd suggest the watermarking is of little value with respect to security. I can understand the op's point. If you upload a pic on here, whether it's public or not, it will be watermarked. Thus, when you send a private face pic to someone, the danger is that this innocent pic can now associate you with a swingers site. Duly noted
Thanks, I think you're the first to get it.
I think other people get it.
But not sure why you can't just claim the same ignorance you do with other pictures.
"Someone must have nicked a picture off my Facebook and is using it on a swingers site" etc.
Without the watermark we wouldn't have to."What about if someone screenshotted the whole web page, with the Fab logo at the top? | |||
" What about if someone screenshotted the whole web page, with the Fab logo at the top?" Good point | |||
"If you've sent the picture yourself, how can they claim to have no knowledge of it?
You've copied your own picture, sent it to someone outside of FAB, not noticing the FAB address and now want to lay blame here?, am I right?
As I can't see why you'd be bothered, if you were communicating on here, maybe use a picture, not lifted from your profile, or cut it off the bottom, next time."What on earthbound are you talking about? If your comment is directed at me the OP you're wrong pretty much on all counts, I'm not seeking to blame the site for anything, merely asking for reasoned debate about the inclusion of the watermark. You're also wrong about using a FAB picture and sending it to someone outside FAB, no idea where you got that from. Beginning to wonder if you've even read the thread before commenting? | |||
"Given the ease with which a pic can be downloaded/screen captured, then the watermark cropped off, I'd suggest the watermarking is of little value with respect to security. I can understand the op's point. If you upload a pic on here, whether it's public or not, it will be watermarked. Thus, when you send a private face pic to someone, the danger is that this innocent pic can now associate you with a swingers site. Duly noted
Thanks, I think you're the first to get it.
I think other people get it.
But not sure why you can't just claim the same ignorance you do with other pictures.
"Someone must have nicked a picture off my Facebook and is using it on a swingers site" etc.
Without the watermark we wouldn't have to.
What about if someone screenshotted the whole web page, with the Fab logo at the top?" | |||
"Following one of my recent forum replies I thought I would put this out there for discussion, When I upload a photograph Fab automatically watermarks it, this immediately ties that picture to a Fab account, in our case this compromised our privacy, what were non-compromising photographs (face pics/fully clothed) became incriminating purely because of the watermark. So, why are they watermarked in the first place, what purpose does that achieve. Does anyone else feel that it may be better to stop this process?" I have always assumed the watermark acts as a kind of copyright/ownership indicator. I know of a number of times when someone has tried to open fake accounts using watermarked pics, yes they could remove them, but.it is surprising how dense people can be sometimes. OP, you sent a picture of your face to a total stranger on a swinging website. With, or without the watermark, that remains the case. If you stand to lose so much, never upload ANY pic ANYWHERE on the net that you are not happy to lose ownership of. If that means people don't want to meet for a coffee 1st, fine. I suggest you also delete this account and open a new one, thereby removing any ongoing evidence linking the pics to you. Consider also the pics you do have: are your wife's bracelets easily recognisable? How about that stripey carpet? People say our photos are daring, but if you look closely, it is surprising the details we have carefully removed. And no, we have no face pics on here. Hope you have learnt your lesson, and it looks like you have taught a few others too! Mr ddc | |||
"If you've sent the picture yourself, how can they claim to have no knowledge of it?
You've copied your own picture, sent it to someone outside of FAB, not noticing the FAB address and now want to lay blame here?, am I right?
As I can't see why you'd be bothered, if you were communicating on here, maybe use a picture, not lifted from your profile, or cut it off the bottom, next time.
What on earthbound are you talking about?
If your comment is directed at me the OP you're wrong pretty much on all counts, I'm not seeking to blame the site for anything, merely asking for reasoned debate about the inclusion of the watermark. You're also wrong about using a FAB picture and sending it to someone outside FAB, no idea where you got that from. Beginning to wonder if you've even read the thread before commenting?"I wouldn't of replied, had I not read the opening post, and subsequent posts, that followed...including the one where you, mention the first person (and possibly only) to get what you meant? .....My assumption, that you had sent, the watermarked picture, yourself, came from the following....... "Don't put pictures on the internet on swingers sites if being compromised means you could lose something important. A simple solution that people rarely consider. If you have too much to lose being outed, then don't post pics online. Too easy to lose control of them. But my point was they weren't "posted online" they were sent in a private message in good faith. What happened to you would have happened whether or not there was a watermark on your pics. If you are so high profile in your community you should have considered, instead of sending pics from the site, emailing watermark-free pics instead. I assume you knew they were watermarked before you sent them? Yes, we knew they were watermarked but got drawn in and became too trusting which was our fault, not blaming anyone but us and the people responsible. The post was really questioning the reason/appropriateness of them being watermarked in the first place. This wouldn't have been the same either way as we don't have a problem with naked pictures being out in the wild providing you cannot identify us, this is very different to pictures that show faces that only become a problem when they have fabswingers plastered over them. " "Yes, we knew they were watermarked but got drawn in and became too trusting " ...Leading me to believe, you knew all along, why not just send, an alternative picture?, or cut off the www..I'm a swinger dot com. Therefore, I don't believe my post, to have been so alien. The moral of the story is... | |||
