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By *olarfoxMan
over a year ago
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"Think the new legal highs law the government is planning will ban poppers?"
From what I can gather, if a bill goes though in its current (planned) form then, yes, I think poppers will be included in the ban  |
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over a year ago
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"Think the new legal highs law the government is planning will ban poppers?
From what I can gather, if a bill goes though in its current (planned) form then, yes, I think poppers will be included in the ban "
Good thing too....... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Think the new legal highs law the government is planning will ban poppers?
Banning poppers? Next - you will tell me that Christmas crackers are being stopped because they are too noisy"
I don't want to sound sanctimonious but many people do not seem aware enough of the dangers of using poppers. They can kill you especially if you have a heart condition (of which you may well be unaware). |
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By *im himCouple (MM)
over a year ago
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We bloody hope not ! We don't buy ours in this country so I don't know how that will work . The ones you get in the UK are pritty crap anyway . We also think if they did not ban the original ones in the first place then we would not have all these spin offs that are proberly even worse for you anyway .
And just think of all those closest mp's , judges and lords that will have to go without when they call there rent boys !
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Legal highs ?
Government experiment on issue of legalising recreational drugs.
The whole thing has been a closely monitored social experiment.
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How does that particular conspiracy theory work? The government is intending to make most recreational drugs illegal.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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IMO the government should legalise all drugs - they'd get their cut through taxation, the products would be pharmaceutical grade and therefore safer (as opposed to street drugs cut with all sorts). You can argue about the added cost to the NHS etc but the hospitals are already treating people after reacting to experimental substances which im sure they took as they assumed they were safe as legal rather than risking the law and not knowing what was in their wrap from whichever dealer |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Think the new legal highs law the government is planning will ban poppers?"
I hope so. Won't have to suffer when other inconsiderate people decide to use them in close contact to people that don't want to. |
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"IMO the government should legalise all drugs - they'd get their cut through taxation, the products would be pharmaceutical grade and therefore safer (as opposed to street drugs cut with all sorts). You can argue about the added cost to the NHS etc but the hospitals are already treating people after reacting to experimental substances which im sure they took as they assumed they were safe as legal rather than risking the law and not knowing what was in their wrap from whichever dealer"
I think drug severity should be re-evaluated but legalising all drugs is a very bad idea.
Imagine this worst case scenario, instead of your 14 year old kid paying an adult to buy cigarettes for them and their mates they get someone to get them a bit of heroin or crack...
I don't think hallucinogens should ever be legalised because they can be extremely dangerous and the same with hardcore drugs like crack and heroin.
But I never heard of anyone having a joint and crashing a car or beating someone to death like an alcohol fueled person. |
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"IMO the government should legalise all drugs - they'd get their cut through taxation, the products would be pharmaceutical grade and therefore safer (as opposed to street drugs cut with all sorts). You can argue about the added cost to the NHS etc but the hospitals are already treating people after reacting to experimental substances which im sure they took as they assumed they were safe as legal rather than risking the law and not knowing what was in their wrap from whichever dealer
I think drug severity should be re-evaluated but legalising all drugs is a very bad idea.
Imagine this worst case scenario, instead of your 14 year old kid paying an adult to buy cigarettes for them and their mates they get someone to get them a bit of heroin or crack...
I don't think hallucinogens should ever be legalised because they can be extremely dangerous and the same with hardcore drugs like crack and heroin.
But I never heard of anyone having a joint and crashing a car or beating someone to death like an alcohol fueled person. "
With regard to car crashes, the studies suggest anything between 5 and 16 per cent of accidents can be attributed to drug use. It is obviously a difficult one to pinpoint. Would the accident have happened if the driver had not been impaired? Many of those drivers had also been drinking. My own common sense _iew is that driving while high is likely to increase the chances of an accident. |
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I'm not a fan of synthetics and there has to be a law as to what can be consumed and when.
But I do think cocaine and hemp products are a different category...
It's us westerners and our own greed, decadence and misuse that has caused a ban on these substances, take them
Out of criminal hands and watch empires fall. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"IMO the government should legalise all drugs - they'd get their cut through taxation, the products would be pharmaceutical grade and therefore safer (as opposed to street drugs cut with all sorts). You can argue about the added cost to the NHS etc but the hospitals are already treating people after reacting to experimental substances which im sure they took as they assumed they were safe as legal rather than risking the law and not knowing what was in their wrap from whichever dealer
I think drug severity should be re-evaluated but legalising all drugs is a very bad idea.
Imagine this worst case scenario, instead of your 14 year old kid paying an adult to buy cigarettes for them and their mates they get someone to get them a bit of heroin or crack...
I don't think hallucinogens should ever be legalised because they can be extremely dangerous and the same with hardcore drugs like crack and heroin.
But I never heard of anyone having a joint and crashing a car or beating someone to death like an alcohol fueled person. "
Drugs affect people differently. Some people get angry when they run out of drugs,even . It changes your mood and can cause mental health issues. No drugs are without side effects. People say cocaine is a harmless recreational drug,but some people over use and become very ill or even die. Poppers have some nasty chemicals in I wouldn't want interacting with my brain. |
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"some of the ones you can buy from certain countries abroad are still as strong as the ones in 70/80 & 90's.
I used to purchase them in bulk for a club"
Fuck me..... Some of the alcohol you can buy from abroad is still as strong as the moonshine, uncle Jethrow used make in his outhouse in 1938! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Think the new legal highs law the government is planning will ban poppers?
From what I can gather, if a bill goes though in its current (planned) form then, yes, I think poppers will be included in the ban
Good thing too......."
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They're nothing like the chemically synthesized highs that, if anything, should be the subject of this law. Will they be banning anything that can be used for an alternative purpose? Poppers are sold for video cleaning etc.
As others say, it is a war that can never be won.
It's piss poor legislation rushed through. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I hope they are banned.
First, they are very different from the ones that used to be on sale years ago - the active ingredient (isobutyl nitrite) having been removed because of its cancer properties (some of the ones sold abroad are still in this original form).
Have a look at the ingredient list. Mainly based around isopropyl nitrites and its derivatives and isopropyl alcohol (dry cleaning fluid).
I stopped using it many years ago when I was at a party and finished up being blue lighted to hospital when my blood pressure crashed.
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"They're nothing like the chemically synthesized highs that, if anything, should be the subject of this law. Will they be banning anything that can be used for an alternative purpose? Poppers are sold for video cleaning etc.
As others say, it is a war that can never be won.
It's piss poor legislation rushed through."
It is not yet legislation and has not been rushed through. It still awaits scrutiny and a vote by the Commons and further scrutiny by the Lords. The definition is deliberately wide to include most mind-altering substances as restricting the definition to particular defined substances is known to result in manufacturers altering their substances slightly. |
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"IMO the government should legalise all drugs - they'd get their cut through taxation, the products would be pharmaceutical grade and therefore safer (as opposed to street drugs cut with all sorts). You can argue about the added cost to the NHS etc but the hospitals are already treating people after reacting to experimental substances which im sure they took as they assumed they were safe as legal rather than risking the law and not knowing what was in their wrap from whichever dealer"
Wholeheartedly agree.
Being careful to stay within the AUP, out of curiosity I tried a legal high supposed to be similar to skunk. It was absolutely awful. I used a very small amount and after 2 drags I was in a very bad place, physically and mentally. My heartrate and BP were ok though, if a little raised, so I just calmed down and let it wear off. It was 2 hours before I was steady enough to walk unaided. Awful awful stuff, really harsh, and in no way fun or pleasurable. |
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So I guess the message is, get in some supplies before the ban. Afterwards, we won't be able to discuss it on here either as it will contravene the AUP.
What are they going to do about solvents such as paint thinners, solvents in glue, or propellants such as butane used in aerosols? They can be abused to have psychoactive effects, not that it's anything I'd advocate, but people do and will. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So I guess the message is, get in some supplies before the ban. Afterwards, we won't be able to discuss it on here either as it will contravene the AUP.
What are they going to do about solvents such as paint thinners, solvents in glue, or propellants such as butane used in aerosols? They can be abused to have psychoactive effects, not that it's anything I'd advocate, but people do and will."
Yes but poppers exist only for their drug inducing properties. Glue is kind of useful for sticking things together. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Legal highs ?
Government experiment on issue of legalising recreational drugs.
The whole thing has been a closely monitored social experiment.
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Not really it's just these chemicals are new every year and not sold for human consumption so they come out it takes time to get them identified and banned but by then there's a new one out.
An then there's certain things like salvia which is basically sage so almost impossible to legislate |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"IMO the government should legalise all drugs - they'd get their cut through taxation, the products would be pharmaceutical grade and therefore safer (as opposed to street drugs cut with all sorts). You can argue about the added cost to the NHS etc but the hospitals are already treating people after reacting to experimental substances which im sure they took as they assumed they were safe as legal rather than risking the law and not knowing what was in their wrap from whichever dealer
Wholeheartedly agree.
Being careful to stay within the AUP, out of curiosity I tried a legal high supposed to be similar to skunk. It was absolutely awful. I used a very small amount and after 2 drags I was in a very bad place, physically and mentally. My heartrate and BP were ok though, if a little raised, so I just calmed down and let it wear off. It was 2 hours before I was steady enough to walk unaided. Awful awful stuff, really harsh, and in no way fun or pleasurable."
Salvia ^_^ and another reason why there's no point in chasing it down its not really one for regular abuse |
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Salvia ^_^ and another reason why there's no point in chasing it down its not really one for regular abuse "
No it wasn't Salvia Divinorum, which is a natural product used by shamans to induce religious experiences - that stuff is fine, albeit very potent. This was called something like Dark Exodus, sold in Head Shops. It's a bit of lotus leaf sprayed with some synthetic chemical - awful stuff.
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The point to be made is that prohibition doesn't work and that drugs should be treated as a matter of public health, rather than as a criminal matter.
I worked for 10 years with drugs/alcohol/mental health and imo the more serious risk to the individual and society comes from criminalisation - ie it drives people to the margins, opens up a black market, quality is variable and individuals are less likely to seek support.
The whole thing is a mess and banning poppers won't solve the drugs 'war'. |
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"Think the new legal highs law the government is planning will ban poppers?"
Yes probably.
However, those misguided enough to take drugs will continue to do so regardless of if they are legal or not.
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"However, those misguided enough to take drugs will continue to do so regardless of if they are legal or not.
^ this.
Saying 'stop' is not the same as getting people to do it"
By any objective rationale, alcohol should be banned. It's far more dangerous than just about all illegal psychoactive substance, it's tendency to encourage dependence is far greater, it's social impact is far more costly, both in terms of behavioural/social issues and the burden on healthcare resources.
The USA realised this in the 30s and banned hard liquor - that went well didn't it? We now organised crime syndicates operating globally as direct result.
Whether you or I think it's a good or bad thing, people will still do it.
Surely it's far better to have a controlled system ensuring purity and dosage as we do with alcohol - they can even tax it then too. |
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"However, those misguided enough to take drugs will continue to do so regardless of if they are legal or not.
^ this.
Saying 'stop' is not the same as getting people to do it
By any objective rationale, alcohol should be banned. It's far more dangerous than just about all illegal psychoactive substance, it's tendency to encourage dependence is far greater, it's social impact is far more costly, both in terms of behavioural/social issues and the burden on healthcare resources.
The USA realised this in the 30s and banned hard liquor - that went well didn't it? We now organised crime syndicates operating globally as direct result.
Whether you or I think it's a good or bad thing, people will still do it.
Surely it's far better to have a controlled system ensuring purity and dosage as we do with alcohol - they can even tax it then too."
^^ double this |
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"If I was playing with someone who 'needed' them to get horny I'd walk away. Some double standards on here. "
I can't see anywhere where anyone on this thread has even hinted that they need anything to get horny, so I don't understand your comment. Presumably, being so highly principled, you'd also walk away if anyone has had a drink prior to, or during a meet. |
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"However, those misguided enough to take drugs will continue to do so regardless of if they are legal or not.
^ this.
Saying 'stop' is not the same as getting people to do it
By any objective rationale, alcohol should be banned. It's far more dangerous than just about all illegal psychoactive substance, it's tendency to encourage dependence is far greater, it's social impact is far more costly, both in terms of behavioural/social issues and the burden on healthcare resources.
The USA realised this in the 30s and banned hard liquor - that went well didn't it? We now organised crime syndicates operating globally as direct result.
Whether you or I think it's a good or bad thing, people will still do it.
Surely it's far better to have a controlled system ensuring purity and dosage as we do with alcohol - they can even tax it then too.
^^ double this"
That way at least people can make more informed choices around their usage. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"However, those misguided enough to take drugs will continue to do so regardless of if they are legal or not.
^ this.
Saying 'stop' is not the same as getting people to do it
By any objective rationale, alcohol should be banned. It's far more dangerous than just about all illegal psychoactive substance, it's tendency to encourage dependence is far greater, it's social impact is far more costly, both in terms of behavioural/social issues and the burden on healthcare resources.
The USA realised this in the 30s and banned hard liquor - that went well didn't it? We now organised crime syndicates operating globally as direct result.
Whether you or I think it's a good or bad thing, people will still do it.
Surely it's far better to have a controlled system ensuring purity and dosage as we do with alcohol - they can even tax it then too."
Hmmm. You can still buy moonshine. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"However, those misguided enough to take drugs will continue to do so regardless of if they are legal or not.
^ this.
Saying 'stop' is not the same as getting people to do it
By any objective rationale, alcohol should be banned. It's far more dangerous than just about all illegal psychoactive substance, it's tendency to encourage dependence is far greater, it's social impact is far more costly, both in terms of behavioural/social issues and the burden on healthcare resources.
The USA realised this in the 30s and banned hard liquor - that went well didn't it? We now organised crime syndicates operating globally as direct result.
Whether you or I think it's a good or bad thing, people will still do it.
Surely it's far better to have a controlled system ensuring purity and dosage as we do with alcohol - they can even tax it then too."
Unfortunately, for the next five years at least, there will be little to no hope of any progressive movement in respect of any modernisation of attitudes towards drugs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Salvia ^_^ and another reason why there's no point in chasing it down its not really one for regular abuse "
I had not heard of this and was about to go on a rant about the misspelling of saliva 
I looked it up and was absolutely amazed.
I think salvia and the like will be treated as cannabis. You can have the seeds, you can have the growing medium but the crime is committed when one meets the other. I wonder if it needs the same amount of power to grow as cannabis. Sage can be a very hardy plant, should be interesting.
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"I don't understand why people say they need drugs such as poppers to feel horny? "
I don't understand why guys who insist they 'have no problem getting and staying hard', feel the need to risk taking Viagra. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So I guess the message is, get in some supplies before the ban. Afterwards, we won't be able to discuss it on here either as it will contravene the AUP.
What are they going to do about solvents such as paint thinners, solvents in glue, or propellants such as butane used in aerosols? They can be abused to have psychoactive effects, not that it's anything I'd advocate, but people do and will."
Solvents in paint have been reduced due to EU legislation. Unfortunately, it was the VOCs that helped the paint dry so that's why anyone that's used gloss paint recently might have noticed it now takes 24-36 hours to dry properly. |
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"So I guess the message is, get in some supplies before the ban. Afterwards, we won't be able to discuss it on here either as it will contravene the AUP.
What are they going to do about solvents such as paint thinners, solvents in glue, or propellants such as butane used in aerosols? They can be abused to have psychoactive effects, not that it's anything I'd advocate, but people do and will.
Solvents in paint have been reduced due to EU legislation. Unfortunately, it was the VOCs that helped the paint dry so that's why anyone that's used gloss paint recently might have noticed it now takes 24-36 hours to dry properly."
I developed a preference for water based satin finish topcoat - a more subtle finish, brushes wash out in water, no yellowing, and ready for 2nd coat in an hour |
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"I don't understand why people say they need drugs such as poppers to feel horny? "
I don't understand why you think that when no-one on this thread has remotely hinted that they need anything to feel horny - I feel horny most of the time |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Personally I don't see why somebody with a drug addiction should be deemed a criminal, it's a health issue and therefore should be treated as a patient not a criminal.
I thibk psychedelics as a whole have received a bad wrap from the media portraying them as terrible things, when in actual fact alot of them are the complete opposite. Hell if you look at the USA people are smoking cannabis legally in alot of states, the crime rate has dropped significantly, the number of overdoses from prescription medication has dropped 25% and the taxation is paying for new schools and hospitals.
I agree drugs such as heroine are dangerous, but we are meant to Be free human beings, if we decide to take a substance there should be no law governing that as I hold sovereign over my body, not a politician. These people have never had a spiritual trip on psilocybin or relaxed on cannabis. The whole culture has to change! |
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It's always amused/confused me to think that:-
* if you're unhappy you can go to the doctor's and get a prescription for anti-depressants to change the way your brain works
But,
* if you're happy and choose to use recreational drugs to change the way you think, this is frowned upon.
It makes no sense to me. |
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"It's always amused/confused me to think that:-
* if you're unhappy you can go to the doctor's and get a prescription for anti-depressants to change the way your brain works
But,
* if you're happy and choose to use recreational drugs to change the way you think, this is frowned upon.
It makes no sense to me. "
Because you can't patent a plant and sell it for profit |
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If it is just the sale of them that is banned can you still buy them from abroad via mail order?
Selling hardcore porn was not allowed in Britain in the mid 1990s so I bought mine from abroad via mail order, used to get vhs video tapes through the post lol.  |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"It's always amused/confused me to think that:-
* if you're unhappy you can go to the doctor's and get a prescription for anti-depressants to change the way your brain works
But,
* if you're happy and choose to use recreational drugs to change the way you think, this is frowned upon.
It makes no sense to me. "
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I agree with you 100% but I doubt that we will see change anytime soon unless Mr Cameron slipped into a coffee house for a quick spliff on his recent visit to Holland. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"If it is just the sale of them that is banned can you still buy them from abroad via mail order?
Selling hardcore porn was not allowed in Britain in the mid 1990s so I bought mine from abroad via mail order, used to get vhs video tapes through the post lol. "
You can (at the moment) still get proper poppers from a certain website. |
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yes, back on track with poppers, which are still legal.
Amyl Nitrite (commonly mis-stated as Amyl Nitrate - even on many web sites)is the best formulation, and still available.
The iso-butyle/pentyle Nitrites (not Nitrates), do work, but not as good |
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Factoid - my understanding is, that the term was coined as Amyl Nitrite was originally freely available from chemist's in glass vials, as a self-medicating treatment for Angina.
The vials were broken (popped) under the nose or in a handkerchief for inhalation. |
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"Factoid - my understanding is, that the term was coined as Amyl Nitrite was originally freely available from chemist's in glass vials, as a self-medicating treatment for Angina.
The vials were broken (popped) under the nose or in a handkerchief for inhalation."
FAB!!
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Well said I work in the medical side of things and have been to a number of cases where poppers and Viagra have been used and has ended up with a very ill person or dead
Personally don't see the need for this shit or would not play with a cpl or place that used it |
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oh not to worry .. true we wont be able get high and have fun on anything any more
but we can get a multitude of serious and fatal illness , become violent , depressed and stupid on the legal ones.
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over a year ago
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I for one think they should be banned and all the legal highs as well.
People say poppers are ok and harmless.
Yeah but when they bind to your hemoglobin and you suffer from hypoxia with the very likely event of sustaining some long term damage whilst looking like a smurf as the reversing agent is pushed into you.....
I ask you then....
So...how was the buzz of nearly killing yourself  |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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Poppers are sold in most Clubs, in Ann Summers and in sex shops as well many novelty shops around the country.
Some people smoke, some people drink, some people use poppers and some people surreptitiously use "illegal" drugs. Are we so judgemental on a site that is, by its nature, not exactly mainstream?
I personally don't care what people choose to use or do to give them a bit of a buzz in life. I think we have enough rules in society protecting us from ourselves and the last thing we need are more laws.
Remember the anti terrorism laws that got used by Councils to persecute motirists? I can't help but think that this ban on legal highs will actually have knock on effects that we can't even imagine at the moment. Joss sticks, room gaping flavours?
The reality is that we probably need legalise illegal drugs and take control of them. Making legal highs illegal will not do anything other than provide more opportunity and income for criminals. |
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"Poppers are sold in most Clubs, in Ann Summers and in sex shops as well many novelty shops around the country.
Some people smoke, some people drink, some people use poppers and some people surreptitiously use "illegal" drugs. Are we so judgemental on a site that is, by its nature, not exactly mainstream?
I personally don't care what people choose to use or do to give them a bit of a buzz in life. I think we have enough rules in society protecting us from ourselves and the last thing we need are more laws.
Remember the anti terrorism laws that got used by Councils to persecute motirists? I can't help but think that this ban on legal highs will actually have knock on effects that we can't even imagine at the moment. Joss sticks, room gaping flavours?
The reality is that we probably need legalise illegal drugs and take control of them. Making legal highs illegal will not do anything other than provide more opportunity and income for criminals."
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"Poppers are sold in most Clubs, in Ann Summers and in sex shops as well many novelty shops around the country.
Some people smoke, some people drink, some people use poppers and some people surreptitiously use "illegal" drugs. Are we so judgemental on a site that is, by its nature, not exactly mainstream?
I personally don't care what people choose to use or do to give them a bit of a buzz in life. I think we have enough rules in society protecting us from ourselves and the last thing we need are more laws.
Remember the anti terrorism laws that got used by Councils to persecute motirists? I can't help but think that this ban on legal highs will actually have knock on effects that we can't even imagine at the moment. Joss sticks, room gaping flavours?
The reality is that we probably need legalise illegal drugs and take control of them. Making legal highs illegal will not do anything other than provide more opportunity and income for criminals."
You do make a valid point but I will say that if one does make an informed choice of taking such substances...then please don't come to hospital with symptoms which you have paid to have the privledge of. |
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"Think the new legal highs law the government is planning will ban poppers?
Banning poppers? Next - you will tell me that Christmas crackers are being stopped because they are too noisy"
I thought poppers were Christmas crackers |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Poppers are sold in most Clubs, in Ann Summers and in sex shops as well many novelty shops around the country.
Some people smoke, some people drink, some people use poppers and some people surreptitiously use "illegal" drugs. Are we so judgemental on a site that is, by its nature, not exactly mainstream?
I personally don't care what people choose to use or do to give them a bit of a buzz in life. I think we have enough rules in society protecting us from ourselves and the last thing we need are more laws.
Remember the anti terrorism laws that got used by Councils to persecute motirists? I can't help but think that this ban on legal highs will actually have knock on effects that we can't even imagine at the moment. Joss sticks, room gaping flavours?
The reality is that we probably need legalise illegal drugs and take control of them. Making legal highs illegal will not do anything other than provide more opportunity and income for criminals.
You do make a valid point but I will say that if one does make an informed choice of taking such substances...then please don't come to hospital with symptoms which you have paid to have the privledge of. "
There lies a slippery slope and where do you draw the line? Would you refuse hospital treatment to a motorist motorcyclist who was speeding and therefore breaking the law? What about injuries from inappropriately (illegal) DIY plumbing, electrical and heating installations? Not to mention the perfectly legal but equally likely to hospitalise - alcohol and tobacco? |
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"Poppers are sold in most Clubs, in Ann Summers and in sex shops as well many novelty shops around the country.
Some people smoke, some people drink, some people use poppers and some people surreptitiously use "illegal" drugs. Are we so judgemental on a site that is, by its nature, not exactly mainstream?
I personally don't care what people choose to use or do to give them a bit of a buzz in life. I think we have enough rules in society protecting us from ourselves and the last thing we need are more laws.
Remember the anti terrorism laws that got used by Councils to persecute motirists? I can't help but think that this ban on legal highs will actually have knock on effects that we can't even imagine at the moment. Joss sticks, room gaping flavours?
The reality is that we probably need legalise illegal drugs and take control of them. Making legal highs illegal will not do anything other than provide more opportunity and income for criminals.
You do make a valid point but I will say that if one does make an informed choice of taking such substances...then please don't come to hospital with symptoms which you have paid to have the privledge of.
There lies a slippery slope and where do you draw the line? Would you refuse hospital treatment to a motorist motorcyclist who was speeding and therefore breaking the law? What about injuries from inappropriately (illegal) DIY plumbing, electrical and heating installations? Not to mention the perfectly legal but equally likely to hospitalise - alcohol and tobacco?"
There is already talks and possible very possible plans of being charged when you come to A&E due to intoxication of alcohol.
Smoking ultimately leads to COPD...long term management is ...don't smoke in the first place...but this area is currently being explored.
Your right it is a fine line....but the amount of time and money and clinical resource which is wasted to these stupid stupid substances far out weighs any tax revenue which could possibly be collected. You have to understand it's not just the short term fix there and then....if long term damage is sustained ( extremely high chance) that treatment also has to be paid for.
It's like smoking at first the tax covered it...now it does not due to all the long term conditions.
We can go round in circles with this one but the reality is this.....if a member of your family was having a genuine non substance misuse MI ( heart attack)...would you prefer the ambulance to attend to them....or the regular poppers user who knew the risks but decided to use them anyway and now needs an ambulance due to exacabation of symptoms of hypoxia? |
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"Poppers are sold in most Clubs, in Ann Summers and in sex shops as well many novelty shops around the country.
Some people smoke, some people drink, some people use poppers and some people surreptitiously use "illegal" drugs. Are we so judgemental on a site that is, by its nature, not exactly mainstream?
I personally don't care what people choose to use or do to give them a bit of a buzz in life. I think we have enough rules in society protecting us from ourselves and the last thing we need are more laws.
Remember the anti terrorism laws that got used by Councils to persecute motirists? I can't help but think that this ban on legal highs will actually have knock on effects that we can't even imagine at the moment. Joss sticks, room gaping flavours?
The reality is that we probably need legalise illegal drugs and take control of them. Making legal highs illegal will not do anything other than provide more opportunity and income for criminals.
You do make a valid point but I will say that if one does make an informed choice of taking such substances...then please don't come to hospital with symptoms which you have paid to have the privledge of.
There lies a slippery slope and where do you draw the line? Would you refuse hospital treatment to a motorist motorcyclist who was speeding and therefore breaking the law? What about injuries from inappropriately (illegal) DIY plumbing, electrical and heating installations? Not to mention the perfectly legal but equally likely to hospitalise - alcohol and tobacco?
There is already talks and possible very possible plans of being charged when you come to A&E due to intoxication of alcohol.
Smoking ultimately leads to COPD...long term management is ...don't smoke in the first place...but this area is currently being explored.
Your right it is a fine line....but the amount of time and money and clinical resource which is wasted to these stupid stupid substances far out weighs any tax revenue which could possibly be collected. You have to understand it's not just the short term fix there and then....if long term damage is sustained ( extremely high chance) that treatment also has to be paid for.
It's like smoking at first the tax covered it...now it does not due to all the long term conditions.
We can go round in circles with this one but the reality is this.....if a member of your family was having a genuine non substance misuse MI ( heart attack)...would you prefer the ambulance to attend to them....or the regular poppers user who knew the risks but decided to use them anyway and now needs an ambulance due to exacabation of symptoms of hypoxia?"
Latest figures I saw (NHS) smoking costs around £6Bn a year.
HMRC figures put tobacco tax revenues at around £9bn a year - so smokers fund the NHS by a a factor of nearly twice what they cost. They should have the best treatment, private rooms, good food etc - they've paid for it, along with paying your wages.
Alcohol costs the NHS around £3.5bn.
HMRC tax revenues from alcohol around £11bn - so same things as for smokers apply.
So before you bemoan these people, remember where the money comes from and who pays your wages |
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poppers are shit!!
when you have to stop a meet halfway through because someone "took too much with that go" you kind of think youre glad you dont take that shite. |
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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago
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There are similar 'heated' discussions on this subject going on on some more 'conservative' forums we ascribe to.
As someone (Mr T) who has tried and tested quite a lot of highs, legal and not so, I can say quite unequivocally that pure unadulterated (not skunk-it turns you into a moron)is by far the most satisfying and stimulating to use for sexual purposes. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
"The Guardian says yes they will be included in the ban (along with N2O)
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/may/29/legal-highs-what-drugs-will-be-banned "
Quite incredible that article and incredibly ironic that alcohol and tobacco will be exempt.
Why on earth don't they just legalise the currently illegal drugs and control them instead of trying to make the legal drugs, that are mimicking the illegal ones, also illegal?
It is surely not going to be the ordinary Joe who will benefit from this law. |
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