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By *D40 OP Couple
over a year ago
Wolverhampton |
Well have to say we were at Chams the weekend & it was the one place i didn't expect to be judged for being a swinger. However i was wrong.
Sat talking to a single lady & she enquired if i too was single. I explained my personal situation, me and my OH live together, try and meet likeminded couples we are both attracted to, go to parties/socials and one or both of us play...
She was shocked & asked him why he does it when he has a beautiful sexy woman like me (i nearly choked on my sandwich but i took the compliment). She was surprised that it turned me on when my OH plays with other women, especially if i get to watch all or some of it
Never expected judgement in a swingers club....
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You'd be surprised how many singles, men and women, on here wouldn't share their partner sexually. Me included."
This.
Is not judgement it's just something we can't see ourselves doing. Though at times its very much a case of I can eat from your plate but don't dare touch mine!!
Different strokes for different folks. All power to you both xx |
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"You'd be surprised how many singles, men and women, on here wouldn't share their partner sexually. Me included.
So why are you on a swingers site?"
To have sex with other individuals who are also looking to have sex. You? |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"You'd be surprised how many singles, men and women, on here wouldn't share their partner sexually. Me included.
So why are you on a swingers site?
To have sex with other individuals who are also looking to have sex. You?"
My wife and I are swingers, and we are here to meet other swingers. Fab seems to have the most UK swingers, but there aren't really many sites out there. However there are loads of sites for singles to meet other singles. Fab Swingers even has a sister site called Fab Flirts for singles. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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My wife and I are swingers, and we are here to meet other swingers. Fab seems to have the most UK swingers, but there aren't really many sites out there. However there are loads of sites for singles to meet other singles. Fab Swingers even has a sister site called Fab Flirts for singles. "
I don't consider myself a "swinger".
But I do use the site to meet people I'm attracted to for sex.
That doesn't mean others who also use the site in a similar way should join another site, as you seem to be implying.... |
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"You'd be surprised how many singles, men and women, on here wouldn't share their partner sexually. Me included.
So why are you on a swingers site?
To have sex with other individuals who are also looking to have sex. You?
My wife and I are swingers, and we are here to meet other swingers. Fab seems to have the most UK swingers, but there aren't really many sites out there. However there are loads of sites for singles to meet other singles. Fab Swingers even has a sister site called Fab Flirts for singles. "
fabflirts is shit though |
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"You'd be surprised how many singles, men and women, on here wouldn't share their partner sexually. Me included.
So why are you on a swingers site?
To have sex with other individuals who are also looking to have sex. You?
My wife and I are swingers, and we are here to meet other swingers. Fab seems to have the most UK swingers, but there aren't really many sites out there. However there are loads of sites for singles to meet other singles. Fab Swingers even has a sister site called Fab Flirts for singles. "
Are you advocating all singles should leave this site? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You'd be surprised how many singles, men and women, on here wouldn't share their partner sexually. Me included.
So why are you on a swingers site?
To have sex with other individuals who are also looking to have sex. You?
My wife and I are swingers, and we are here to meet other swingers. Fab seems to have the most UK swingers, but there aren't really many sites out there. However there are loads of sites for singles to meet other singles. Fab Swingers even has a sister site called Fab Flirts for singles. "
You are very fond of telling people what they should be doing, aren't you? You seem to have a very narrow perception of what constitutes a swinger... |
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I agree
She judged your lifestyle
I was also at Chameleons years ago with a single lady, primary school teacher friend
We met a couple on their first visit
She explained that he wasn't her husband (who was home unaware she had lovers) looking after the
Children
So she asked about us and our jobs
She actually said to my friend
" I wouldn't want you to teach my children knowing what a sexual pervert you are "
We were shocked and astonished because she was cheating and lying
We were two single ladies
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
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My wife and I are swingers, and we are here to meet other swingers. Fab seems to have the most UK swingers, but there aren't really many sites out there. However there are loads of sites for singles to meet other singles. Fab Swingers even has a sister site called Fab Flirts for singles.
I don't consider myself a "swinger".
But I do use the site to meet people I'm attracted to for sex.
That doesn't mean others who also use the site in a similar way should join another site, as you seem to be implying.... "
Well people like to club together and build communities with other people who are like them. Imagine how gay people would feel if 50% of people who went into a gay bar were straight? Or how kinky people suddenly found that 50% in their dungeon weren't into kink. Or as the OP said, people who aren't swingers, and don't understand swingers, going to a swingers club.
Can you see it from that point of view? |
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"You'd be surprised how many singles, men and women, on here wouldn't share their partner sexually. Me included.
So why are you on a swingers site?
To have sex with other individuals who are also looking to have sex. You?
My wife and I are swingers, and we are here to meet other swingers. Fab seems to have the most UK swingers, but there aren't really many sites out there. However there are loads of sites for singles to meet other singles. Fab Swingers even has a sister site called Fab Flirts for singles. "
How do I locate Fab flirts?
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"You are very fond of telling people what they should be doing, aren't you? You seem to have a very narrow perception of what constitutes a swinger..."
I don't think I have a narrow view of swinging. I think this site should be welcoming to all forms of ethical non-monogamy; swingers, progressive swingers, polyamorous people, open marriages etc etc.
If people would describe themselves as swingers, then I understand why they would join this site.
What I don't understand is why people who wouldn't describe themselves as swingers (or any of the above) would join a site called Fab Swingers.
I hope that makes sense, even if you don't agree with me, I hope you got my point. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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My wife and I are swingers, and we are here to meet other swingers. Fab seems to have the most UK swingers, but there aren't really many sites out there. However there are loads of sites for singles to meet other singles. Fab Swingers even has a sister site called Fab Flirts for singles.
I don't consider myself a "swinger".
But I do use the site to meet people I'm attracted to for sex.
That doesn't mean others who also use the site in a similar way should join another site, as you seem to be implying....
Well people like to club together and build communities with other people who are like them. Imagine how gay people would feel if 50% of people who went into a gay bar were straight? Or how kinky people suddenly found that 50% in their dungeon weren't into kink. Or as the OP said, people who aren't swingers, and don't understand swingers, going to a swingers club.
Can you see it from that point of view?"
So by that analogy, we, who fit into your apparent definition of swingers, should only spend time with other swingers because we should only want to be with people who are "like" us...? |
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"You are very fond of telling people what they should be doing, aren't you? You seem to have a very narrow perception of what constitutes a swinger...
I don't think I have a narrow view of swinging. I think this site should be welcoming to all forms of ethical non-monogamy; swingers, progressive swingers, polyamorous people, open marriages etc etc.
If people would describe themselves as swingers, then I understand why they would join this site.
What I don't understand is why people who wouldn't describe themselves as swingers (or any of the above) would join a site called Fab Swingers.
I hope that makes sense, even if you don't agree with me, I hope you got my point."
I'm not a swinger
Never will be
I've been on swingers sites and visited clubs for over a decade
Purely because it's where I'll find loads of cock
Simple really
Oh and to make good friends too |
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By *D40 OP Couple
over a year ago
Wolverhampton |
I know she judged because her face gave it away. She made no attempt to hide it.
Still in fairness i judged her stupid later when i saw her going bareback in one of the playrooms
Mrs _d40
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"You'd be surprised how many singles, men and women, on here wouldn't share their partner sexually. Me included."
This
Because I don't want to
Simple
But I'd love to find a cuckold husband and would happily be shared among swingers |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I know she judged because her face gave it away. She made no attempt to hide it.
Still in fairness i judged her stupid later when i saw her going bareback in one of the playrooms
Mrs _d40
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LOL - too right!! I can't believe someone in a swingers club would judge you for - SWINGING!! Seriously unbelievable. |
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"You'd be surprised how many singles, men and women, on here wouldn't share their partner sexually. Me included.
Really!? You're right I am surprised. "
Yep, I'm not a "swinger", never claimed to be. I use this site for sexual liaisons. If and when I find myself in a relationship I'll not use it*. Past threads confirm there are many that think this way.
*Well, maybe just for the forums. They can be quite entertaining.
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My wife and I are swingers, and we are here to meet other swingers. Fab seems to have the most UK swingers, but there aren't really many sites out there. However there are loads of sites for singles to meet other singles. Fab Swingers even has a sister site called Fab Flirts for singles.
I don't consider myself a "swinger".
But I do use the site to meet people I'm attracted to for sex.
That doesn't mean others who also use the site in a similar way should join another site, as you seem to be implying....
Well people like to club together and build communities with other people who are like them. Imagine how gay people would feel if 50% of people who went into a gay bar were straight? Or how kinky people suddenly found that 50% in their dungeon weren't into kink. Or as the OP said, people who aren't swingers, and don't understand swingers, going to a swingers club.
Can you see it from that point of view?"
It isnt comparable in my opinion. Swinging isn't a closed shop and ideally all would be welcome to enjoy sex in whatever way and with whoever they liked. Narrow things down or be too prescriptive and it becomes exactly what people like us are trying to avoid. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You'd be surprised how many singles, men and women, on here wouldn't share their partner sexually. Me included.
So why are you on a swingers site?
To have sex with other individuals who are also looking to have sex. You?
My wife and I are swingers, and we are here to meet other swingers. Fab seems to have the most UK swingers, but there aren't really many sites out there. However there are loads of sites for singles to meet other singles. Fab Swingers even has a sister site called Fab Flirts for singles.
You are very fond of telling people what they should be doing, aren't you? You seem to have a very narrow perception of what constitutes a swinger..."
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"You'd be surprised how many singles, men and women, on here wouldn't share their partner sexually. Me included.
Really!? You're right I am surprised.
Yep, I'm not a "swinger", never claimed to be. I use this site for sexual liaisons. If and when I find myself in a relationship I'll not use it*. Past threads confirm there are many that think this way.
*Well, maybe just for the forums. They can be quite entertaining.
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I don't think you're wrong to do what you're doing, I'm just surprised |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Never expected judgement in a swingers club....
Mrs WD40"
Experience has shown that posting this kind of 'reinforce my viewpoint' thread is likely to backfire on you... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You'd be surprised how many singles, men and women, on here wouldn't share their partner sexually. Me included.
Really!? You're right I am surprised.
Yep, I'm not a "swinger", never claimed to be. I use this site for sexual liaisons. If and when I find myself in a relationship I'll not use it*. Past threads confirm there are many that think this way.
*Well, maybe just for the forums. They can be quite entertaining.
I don't think you're wrong to do what you're doing, I'm just surprised "
Are you really surprised or joking?
I'm not surprised at all. |
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"You'd be surprised how many singles, men and women, on here wouldn't share their partner sexually. Me included.
Really!? You're right I am surprised.
Yep, I'm not a "swinger", never claimed to be. I use this site for sexual liaisons. If and when I find myself in a relationship I'll not use it*. Past threads confirm there are many that think this way.
*Well, maybe just for the forums. They can be quite entertaining.
I don't think you're wrong to do what you're doing, I'm just surprised "
Why? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You'd be surprised how many singles, men and women, on here wouldn't share their partner sexually. Me included."
It's one of the topics I tend to probe people about before getting into bed with them. What happens when they meet 'the one' - are they committed to swinging/poly lifestyles or will they suddenly ditch their connections (and then come knocking for a fuck when they get dumped?). |
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"You'd be surprised how many singles, men and women, on here wouldn't share their partner sexually. Me included.
Really!? You're right I am surprised.
Yep, I'm not a "swinger", never claimed to be. I use this site for sexual liaisons. If and when I find myself in a relationship I'll not use it*. Past threads confirm there are many that think this way.
*Well, maybe just for the forums. They can be quite entertaining.
I don't think you're wrong to do what you're doing, I'm just surprised
Are you really surprised or joking?
I'm not surprised at all. "
Going off limited interaction and his profile. Maybe I've missed posts |
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"You'd be surprised how many singles, men and women, on here wouldn't share their partner sexually. Me included.
Really!? You're right I am surprised.
Yep, I'm not a "swinger", never claimed to be. I use this site for sexual liaisons. If and when I find myself in a relationship I'll not use it*. Past threads confirm there are many that think this way.
*Well, maybe just for the forums. They can be quite entertaining.
I don't think you're wrong to do what you're doing, I'm just surprised
Why?"
As above I might have missed posts and your profile |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You'd be surprised how many singles, men and women, on here wouldn't share their partner sexually. Me included.
Really!? You're right I am surprised.
Yep, I'm not a "swinger", never claimed to be. I use this site for sexual liaisons. If and when I find myself in a relationship I'll not use it*. Past threads confirm there are many that think this way.
*Well, maybe just for the forums. They can be quite entertaining.
I don't think you're wrong to do what you're doing, I'm just surprised
Are you really surprised or joking?
I'm not surprised at all.
Going off limited interaction and his profile. Maybe I've missed posts "
Oh I thought you meant surprised in general that some singles feel that way. Apologies. |
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"You'd be surprised how many singles, men and women, on here wouldn't share their partner sexually. Me included.
Really!? You're right I am surprised.
Yep, I'm not a "swinger", never claimed to be. I use this site for sexual liaisons. If and when I find myself in a relationship I'll not use it*. Past threads confirm there are many that think this way.
*Well, maybe just for the forums. They can be quite entertaining.
I don't think you're wrong to do what you're doing, I'm just surprised
Are you really surprised or joking?
I'm not surprised at all.
Going off limited interaction and his profile. Maybe I've missed posts
Oh I thought you meant surprised in general that some singles feel that way. Apologies. "
No apology necessary . I do know lots of singles feel that way |
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"You'd be surprised how many singles, men and women, on here wouldn't share their partner sexually. Me included.
Really!? You're right I am surprised.
Yep, I'm not a "swinger", never claimed to be. I use this site for sexual liaisons. If and when I find myself in a relationship I'll not use it*. Past threads confirm there are many that think this way.
*Well, maybe just for the forums. They can be quite entertaining.
I don't think you're wrong to do what you're doing, I'm just surprised
Why?
As above I might have missed posts and your profile "
Ask admin to send you all my past posts. You'll see nothing that infers I'm a swinger. Just a sexually active single bloke. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I know she judged because her face gave it away. She made no attempt to hide it.
Still in fairness i judged her stupid later when i saw her going bareback in one of the playrooms
Mrs _d40
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I was going to say it says a bit about the ladies insecurities |
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"You'd be surprised how many singles, men and women, on here wouldn't share their partner sexually. Me included.
Really!? You're right I am surprised.
Yep, I'm not a "swinger", never claimed to be. I use this site for sexual liaisons. If and when I find myself in a relationship I'll not use it*. Past threads confirm there are many that think this way.
*Well, maybe just for the forums. They can be quite entertaining.
I don't think you're wrong to do what you're doing, I'm just surprised
Why?
As above I might have missed posts and your profile
Ask admin to send you all my past posts. You'll see nothing that infers I'm a swinger. Just a sexually active single bloke."
Nah you're alright I'll take your word for it .
All this insistence on label is a load of rubbish anyway, why can't we all just enjoy sex? |
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"You'd be surprised how many singles, men and women, on here wouldn't share their partner sexually. Me included.
Really!? You're right I am surprised.
Yep, I'm not a "swinger", never claimed to be. I use this site for sexual liaisons. If and when I find myself in a relationship I'll not use it*. Past threads confirm there are many that think this way.
*Well, maybe just for the forums. They can be quite entertaining.
I don't think you're wrong to do what you're doing, I'm just surprised
Why?
As above I might have missed posts and your profile
Ask admin to send you all my past posts. You'll see nothing that infers I'm a swinger. Just a sexually active single bloke.
Nah you're alright I'll take your word for it .
All this insistence on label is a load of rubbish anyway, why can't we all just enjoy sex?"
Oh I do, just not with everyone I'd like to |
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"You'd be surprised how many singles, men and women, on here wouldn't share their partner sexually. Me included.
Really!? You're right I am surprised.
Yep, I'm not a "swinger", never claimed to be. I use this site for sexual liaisons. If and when I find myself in a relationship I'll not use it*. Past threads confirm there are many that think this way.
*Well, maybe just for the forums. They can be quite entertaining.
I don't think you're wrong to do what you're doing, I'm just surprised
Why?
As above I might have missed posts and your profile
Ask admin to send you all my past posts. You'll see nothing that infers I'm a swinger. Just a sexually active single bloke.
Nah you're alright I'll take your word for it .
All this insistence on label is a load of rubbish anyway, why can't we all just enjoy sex?
Oh I do, just not with everyone I'd like to"
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Wow, well that thread opened our eyes!
We never even considered that there could be single people on here, or in clubs, who would look down on either, or both of us, simply because we are happy to play with other people.
What a minefield this is all turning out to be.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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My wife and I are swingers, and we are here to meet other swingers. Fab seems to have the most UK swingers, but there aren't really many sites out there. However there are loads of sites for singles to meet other singles. Fab Swingers even has a sister site called Fab Flirts for singles.
I don't consider myself a "swinger".
But I do use the site to meet people I'm attracted to for sex.
That doesn't mean others who also use the site in a similar way should join another site, as you seem to be implying....
Well people like to club together and build communities with other people who are like them. Imagine how gay people would feel if 50% of people who went into a gay bar were straight? Or how kinky people suddenly found that 50% in their dungeon weren't into kink. Or as the OP said, people who aren't swingers, and don't understand swingers, going to a swingers club.
Can you see it from that point of view?"
i think you will find there are plenty of straight people go to gay bars/clubs! how many couples like to have a single man/woman join them? plenty! |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"You are very fond of telling people what they should be doing, aren't you? You seem to have a very narrow perception of what constitutes a swinger...
I don't think I have a narrow view of swinging. I think this site should be welcoming to all forms of ethical non-monogamy; swingers, progressive swingers, polyamorous people, open marriages etc etc.
If people would describe themselves as swingers, then I understand why they would join this site.
What I don't understand is why people who wouldn't describe themselves as swingers (or any of the above) would join a site called Fab Swingers.
I hope that makes sense, even if you don't agree with me, I hope you got my point."
I only want sex and I get it on this site. I don't much care if it is called Fab Swingers or Fab Sex or Fab Whatever |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Personally we live a hotwife/cuck way. Mr would never go with anyone else yet I can do whatever i choose.
Its all about complete honesty for us, not labels. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Personally we live a hotwife/cuck way. Mr would never go with anyone else yet I can do whatever i choose.
Its all about complete honesty for us, not labels."
And whilst we could never contemplate or understand your choice, we certainly would not judge you for it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Personally we live a hotwife/cuck way. Mr would never go with anyone else yet I can do whatever i choose.
Its all about complete honesty for us, not labels.
And whilst we could never contemplate or understand your choice, we certainly would not judge you for it. "
This should be the template response to most threads on fab forum. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
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i think you will find there are plenty of straight people go to gay bars/clubs! how many couples like to have a single man/woman join them? plenty! "
I know that some straight people go to gay bars/clubs, but I imagine that if they started to out number the gay people and started to judge the gay people (like the OP was judged) then their welcome would wear a little thin.
Yes plenty of couples like to play with singles, and some singles on here like to play with couples. That's perfectly fine. But there are a Lot of singles in here who would never dream of playing with couples, and can't comprehend why couples would open their relationships. This makes it harder for couples to find the singles that are interested in playing with them.
I'm not trying to have a crazy rant where everything one person said gets twisted and exaggerated. I'm trying to open up communications and understanding. |
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"blimey it gets a bit bitchy on here doesn't it?
Brothers and sisters- come together!"
I've just read the whole thread and I haven't seen a single bitchy comment ?
Maybe my bitch radar isn't working this morning. |
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i think you will find there are plenty of straight people go to gay bars/clubs! how many couples like to have a single man/woman join them? plenty!
I know that some straight people go to gay bars/clubs, but I imagine that if they started to out number the gay people and started to judge the gay people (like the OP was judged) then their welcome would wear a little thin.
Yes plenty of couples like to play with singles, and some singles on here like to play with couples. That's perfectly fine. But there are a Lot of singles in here who would never dream of playing with couples, and can't comprehend why couples would open their relationships. This makes it harder for couples to find the singles that are interested in playing with them.
I'm not trying to have a crazy rant where everything one person said gets twisted and exaggerated. I'm trying to open up communications and understanding. "
I very much doubt that couples are being out numbered by singles who only wish to meet other single people. Think your making a mountain out of a mole hill here.
I'd say the majority of singles on here actively seek for couples |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You'd be surprised how many singles, men and women, on here wouldn't share their partner sexually. Me included.
So why are you on a swingers site?
To have sex with other individuals who are also looking to have sex. You?
My wife and I are swingers, and we are here to meet other swingers. Fab seems to have the most UK swingers, but there aren't really many sites out there. However there are loads of sites for singles to meet other singles. Fab Swingers even has a sister site called Fab Flirts for singles. "
Just wondering.....couples who swing....should they meet elsewhere as singles and then join this site? Because I joined as a single guy and now have a g.f from fab....we swing, seperately and together so happily we now fit your criteria for being on here....
singles who want to be in a swinging relationship....how should they go about meeting?
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By *D40 OP Couple
over a year ago
Wolverhampton |
"You'd be surprised how many singles, men and women, on here wouldn't share their partner sexually. Me included.
So why are you on a swingers site?
To have sex with other individuals who are also looking to have sex. You?
My wife and I are swingers, and we are here to meet other swingers. Fab seems to have the most UK swingers, but there aren't really many sites out there. However there are loads of sites for singles to meet other singles. Fab Swingers even has a sister site called Fab Flirts for singles.
Just wondering.....couples who swing....should they meet elsewhere as singles and then join this site? Because I joined as a single guy and now have a g.f from fab....we swing, seperately and together so happily we now fit your criteria for being on here....
singles who want to be in a swinging relationship....how should they go about meeting?
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Well me & my OH met outside of fab then when confident in our relationship we joined fab...
I am confused now. Should we go or stay? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You'd be surprised how many singles, men and women, on here wouldn't share their partner sexually. Me included.
So why are you on a swingers site?
To have sex with other individuals who are also looking to have sex. You?
My wife and I are swingers, and we are here to meet other swingers. Fab seems to have the most UK swingers, but there aren't really many sites out there. However there are loads of sites for singles to meet other singles. Fab Swingers even has a sister site called Fab Flirts for singles.
Just wondering.....couples who swing....should they meet elsewhere as singles and then join this site? Because I joined as a single guy and now have a g.f from fab....we swing, seperately and together so happily we now fit your criteria for being on here....
singles who want to be in a swinging relationship....how should they go about meeting?
Well me & my OH met outside of fab then when confident in our relationship we joined fab...
I am confused now. Should we go or stay?"
stay, have fun, use the site how you wish,(within the rules) to find what you want, same as I will, despite a few ppl thinking that as a single female who hasn't yet met a couple, I shouldn't be here!
my presence doesnt hinder anybody elses fun, so you are all bloody stuck with me! |
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By *onyneMan
over a year ago
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Most of the time the labelling thing is unnecessary...doesn't really help at all, and one person's idea of what a label is can be different to another's, even if they would both say they fell under the label...if that indeed makes any sense! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You'd be surprised how many singles, men and women, on here wouldn't share their partner sexually. Me included.
So why are you on a swingers site?
To have sex with other individuals who are also looking to have sex. You?
My wife and I are swingers, and we are here to meet other swingers. Fab seems to have the most UK swingers, but there aren't really many sites out there. However there are loads of sites for singles to meet other singles. Fab Swingers even has a sister site called Fab Flirts for singles.
Just wondering.....couples who swing....should they meet elsewhere as singles and then join this site? Because I joined as a single guy and now have a g.f from fab....we swing, seperately and together so happily we now fit your criteria for being on here....
singles who want to be in a swinging relationship....how should they go about meeting?
Well me & my OH met outside of fab then when confident in our relationship we joined fab...
I am confused now. Should we go or stay?"
Hang around a bit longer it's lovely place really!!!
Wondering who this female is now, a fair covering of tattoos?? |
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