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"Rich people making rich people richer. the end." As opposed to the Labour party. Rich people making poor people poorer but making you say thank you. | |||
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"Rich people making rich people richer. the end." I thought that was the Tories !!! | |||
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"Rich people making rich people richer. the end. I thought that was the Tories !!!" I thought it was Fifa | |||
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"Rich people making rich people richer. the end. I thought that was the Tories !!!" They're the same, so yeah you are right and so was i.  | |||
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"What's everyone's views ? " Hopefully they will make the other parties look at the immigration problems we are having and realize people are not happy about the situation | |||
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"What is their stance on swinging." Since they/ nige don't agree with breast feeding in public I can't imagine they'd be too enthusiastic about dogging  lol
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"All a bunch of nobs. Dont mater whi ya vote for" | |||
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"The UK Independence Party has said it has suspended its general secretary following allegations of impropriety. UKIP said Roger Bird had been suspended on 7 December pending a full investigation into the allegations relating to candidate selection. A party spokesman declined to discuss the nature of the allegations, saying it was an "internal party matter". But the party said it had acted "swiftly and decisively" when the allegations came to light." And the relevance is? | |||
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"What is their stance on swinging. Since they/ nige don't agree with breast feeding in public I can't imagine they'd be too enthusiastic about dogging lol
But you never know!! "Its hardly the same thing though is it. | |||
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"What's everyone's views ? Hopefully they will make the other parties look at the immigration problems we are having and realize people are not happy about the situation " Seems like we are need of some Portuguese bricklayers at the moment. Most of the native lads seem more applied to media studies, marketing and business studies rather than learning a building trade. Bloody Portuguese, coming over here and building our schools and hospitals (and blocking the M4) and stealing our benefits as well. I feel outraged. | |||
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"Pretty sure UKIP wouldn't be happy with all the women who only go with black fellas on here. Not that UKIP are racist or anything!!" So you're trying to imply that a party with an MEP of Asian heritage is rascist? Interesting. | |||
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"I like nigel farage he will make a good prime minister." I am not surprise looking your profile depicts your likeness for nigel farage No Black or Asians | |||
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"We should start our own party ..... Independent swingers party , stuff the policies imagine pri ministers question time lol" Lol it we are in | |||
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"I like nigel farage he will make a good prime minister. I am not surprise looking your profile depicts your likeness for nigel farage No Black or Asians" Sorry, it saves me getting so many messages anyway.  | |||
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"Pretty sure UKIP wouldn't be happy with all the women who only go with black fellas on here. Not that UKIP are racist or anything!! So you're trying to imply that a party with an MEP of Asian heritage is rascist? Interesting. "  | |||
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"What's everyone's views ? Hopefully they will make the other parties look at the immigration problems we are having and realize people are not happy about the situation " I am more concerned about cost of living rather than the scaremongering on immigration. | |||
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"To the folk who think Farage will be good pm get real he was held up in traffic and blamed the immigrants for fucks sake he is dangerously deluded and deluded folk are on the same bus with him." He appeals to the fear factor of those in this country who feel that the world is passing them by. He feels uncomfortable when people nearby speak a foreign language He feels uncomfortable at women breastfeeding He feels uncomfortable with the increasing normality of same sex relationships He is basically stuck in a 1950's time warp and appeals to others of that ilk. Anyone who thinks that he would be OK with swinging and swingers would be in for a shock. Can you imagine anyone with those kind of anally retentive ideas being pleasantly disposed to swinging? | |||
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"To the folk who think Farage will be good pm get real he was held up in traffic and blamed the immigrants for fucks sake he is dangerously deluded and deluded folk are on the same bus with him. He appeals to the fear factor of those in this country who feel that the world is passing them by. He feels uncomfortable when people nearby speak a foreign language He feels uncomfortable at women breastfeeding He feels uncomfortable with the increasing normality of same sex relationships He is basically stuck in a 1950's time warp and appeals to others of that ilk. Anyone who thinks that he would be OK with swinging and swingers would be in for a shock. Can you imagine anyone with those kind of anally retentive ideas being pleasantly disposed to swinging?" your entitled to your opinion but other people are entitled to their opinions also, wether you like them or not. you say some of that stuff about nigel farage like its a bad thing. | |||
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"To the folk who think Farage will be good pm get real he was held up in traffic and blamed the immigrants for fucks sake he is dangerously deluded and deluded folk are on the same bus with him." how anyone on a swingers site could consider voting for bigoted racists homophobes is beyond me..... | |||
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"What's everyone's views ? Hopefully they will make the other parties look at the immigration problems we are having and realize people are not happy about the situation I am more concerned about cost of living rather than the scaremongering on immigration." Its not scaremongering on immigration its fact! | |||
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"To the folk who think Farage will be good pm get real he was held up in traffic and blamed the immigrants for fucks sake he is dangerously deluded and deluded folk are on the same bus with him. how anyone on a swingers site could consider voting for bigoted racists homophobes is beyond me..... " Only he isn't any of those things, don't believe all you read. | |||
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"What's everyone's views ? Hopefully they will make the other parties look at the immigration problems we are having and realize people are not happy about the situation I am more concerned about cost of living rather than the scaremongering on immigration. Its not scaremongering on immigration its fact!" Yes only people don't like to face up to facts, prefer to bury their heads in the sand. | |||
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"Only he isn't any of those things, don't believe all you read. "Ok I'll take your word then.. he's still a rich twat. and not the most liberal man you could ask to meet as for high horse anti euro stance he's dosn't say no to his £200,000 a year from the eu dose he? happy to take the cash they pay him..... git. | |||
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"happy to take the cash they pay him..... git." farage is the git, not you. sorry. | |||
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"To the folk who think Farage will be good pm get real he was held up in traffic and blamed the immigrants for fucks sake he is dangerously deluded and deluded folk are on the same bus with him. He appeals to the fear factor of those in this country who feel that the world is passing them by. He feels uncomfortable when people nearby speak a foreign language He feels uncomfortable at women breastfeeding He feels uncomfortable with the increasing normality of same sex relationships He is basically stuck in a 1950's time warp and appeals to others of that ilk. Anyone who thinks that he would be OK with swinging and swingers would be in for a shock. Can you imagine anyone with those kind of anally retentive ideas being pleasantly disposed to swinging? your entitled to your opinion but other people are entitled to their opinions also, wether you like them or not. you say some of that stuff about nigel farage like its a bad thing." Which bit is ok then? | |||
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"UKIP outdated bigots. why would you want to vote for them?" Outdated bigots. Sounds like Labour. Or the Lib Dems. Or any party that eschews the principles of taking off others because they or their families have worked for it. Those are the principles of socialism. | |||
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"Party that will chop and change policy and say anything to get votes." Labour, Tories or Lib Dems? But particularly Labour led by Incompetent Ed and the Half-wits. | |||
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"Only he isn't any of those things, don't believe all you read.
Ok I'll take your word then.. he's still a rich twat. and not the most liberal man you could ask to meet as for high horse anti euro stance he's dosn't say no to his £200,000 a year from the eu dose he? happy to take the cash they pay him..... git."Whats being rich got to do with it and why is being liberal a good thing. | |||
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"We should start our own party ..... Independent swingers party , stuff the policies imagine pri ministers question time lol" I think we should call it SPUNK Swingers Party for Undressing, Naturism and Kinks | |||
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"Only he isn't any of those things, don't believe all you read.
Ok I'll take your word then.. he's still a rich twat. and not the most liberal man you could ask to meet as for high horse anti euro stance he's dosn't say no to his £200,000 a year from the eu dose he? happy to take the cash they pay him..... git.
Whats being rich got to do with it and why is being liberal a good thing."Do you mean liberal or Liberal? Being on this site would make you pretty liberal by default. Liberals are historically a caring, sharing and socially inclusive party but they seem to have drifted a bit to the left of Labour in recent times. If by your definition, being liberal is not a good thing (ie therefore a bad thing) - this suggests that you think narrow mindedness and intolerance are virtues? I fear you would be in for quite a shock at the dyed in the wool UKIP attitude to swinging if it were ever to be discussed. Perhaps your view is that it is only right to be anti "some people" as long as the "some people" do not include you and your group of pervacious, swinging friends? Careful what you wish for, you have seen the intolerance to gay and bi people .. That is a reasonable indication as to how swingers may be viewed. | |||
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"Only he isn't any of those things, don't believe all you read.
Ok I'll take your word then.. he's still a rich twat. and not the most liberal man you could ask to meet as for high horse anti euro stance he's dosn't say no to his £200,000 a year from the eu dose he? happy to take the cash they pay him..... git.
Whats being rich got to do with it and why is being liberal a good thing.
Do you mean liberal or Liberal? Being on this site would make you pretty liberal by default. Liberals are historically a caring, sharing and socially inclusive party but they seem to have drifted a bit to the left of Labour in recent times.
If by your definition, being liberal is not a good thing (ie therefore a bad thing) - this suggests that you think narrow mindedness and intolerance are virtues?
I fear you would be in for quite a shock at the dyed in the wool UKIP attitude to swinging if it were ever to be discussed. Perhaps your view is that it is only right to be anti "some people" as long as the "some people" do not include you and your group of pervacious, swinging friends? Careful what you wish for, you have seen the intolerance to gay and bi people .. That is a reasonable indication as to how swingers may be viewed."Sorry but what makes you think I care what anyone thinks about me or swingers. | |||
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"Only he isn't any of those things, don't believe all you read.
Ok I'll take your word then.. he's still a rich twat. and not the most liberal man you could ask to meet as for high horse anti euro stance he's dosn't say no to his £200,000 a year from the eu dose he? happy to take the cash they pay him..... git.
Whats being rich got to do with it and why is being liberal a good thing.
Do you mean liberal or Liberal? Being on this site would make you pretty liberal by default. Liberals are historically a caring, sharing and socially inclusive party but they seem to have drifted a bit to the left of Labour in recent times.
If by your definition, being liberal is not a good thing (ie therefore a bad thing) - this suggests that you think narrow mindedness and intolerance are virtues?
I fear you would be in for quite a shock at the dyed in the wool UKIP attitude to swinging if it were ever to be discussed. Perhaps your view is that it is only right to be anti "some people" as long as the "some people" do not include you and your group of pervacious, swinging friends? Careful what you wish for, you have seen the intolerance to gay and bi people .. That is a reasonable indication as to how swingers may be viewed.
Sorry but what makes you think I care what anyone thinks about me or swingers."I think it's pretty clear that you don't Hilda | |||
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"UKIP bigger racists than the BNP As for Farage an ex Tory and an Ex Banker ..... say no more. Every one is entitled to their vote and every can vote for their own choice. I just hope it is their choice and not because they have followed the rest of the sheep. Read their manifest before making a decision, don't read the shit you read in the tabloids as they only promote one point ...... Europe. " An ex tory and ex banker, so what? | |||
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"UKIP bigger racists than the BNP As for Farage an ex Tory and an Ex Banker ..... say no more. Every one is entitled to their vote and every can vote for their own choice. I just hope it is their choice and not because they have followed the rest of the sheep. Read their manifest before making a decision, don't read the shit you read in the tabloids as they only promote one point ...... Europe. " Whilst I agree that UKIP have a dodgy outlook on many things, I am not sure that dismissing them because he/they are ex Tory's or an ex banker is appropriate, or helpful. Like it or not - Conservatives have historically fixed economies left damaged by outgoing Labour governments. A dislike of Conservatism because of class perceptions is a bit shallow in my opinion. A dislike of UKIP because of their policies of division and isolationism is hard to find fault with. A dislike because someone is a former Tory or a former banker is probably just shallow tbh. | |||
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"UKIP bigger racists than the BNP As for Farage an ex Tory and an Ex Banker ..... say no more. Every one is entitled to their vote and every can vote for their own choice. I just hope it is their choice and not because they have followed the rest of the sheep. Read their manifest before making a decision, don't read the shit you read in the tabloids as they only promote one point ...... Europe. Whilst I agree that UKIP have a dodgy outlook on many things, I am not sure that dismissing them because he/they are ex Tory's or an ex banker is appropriate, or helpful. Like it or not - Conservatives have historically fixed economies left damaged by outgoing Labour governments. A dislike of Conservatism because of class perceptions is a bit shallow in my opinion. A dislike of UKIP because of their policies of division and isolationism is hard to find fault with. A dislike because someone is a former Tory or a former banker is probably just shallow tbh. " Disliking someone because of what they used to be and not because of what they have become, is like saying Hitler was bad because of his paintings. | |||
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"UKIP bigger racists than the BNP As for Farage an ex Tory and an Ex Banker ..... say no more. " its pretty clear to anyone that UK would do very little to help the worse off in society. The tories are bad enough but frecking UKIP would be a disaster for anyone in need and the NHS would get raped and 40 years from now we'd end up like America needing private health care, which is fine if you can afford it and choose to buy it... but the other 50 million of us? | |||
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"UKIP bigger racists than the BNP As for Farage an ex Tory and an Ex Banker ..... say no more. its pretty clear to anyone that UK would do very little to help the worse off in society. The tories are bad enough but frecking UKIP would be a disaster for anyone in need and the NHS would get raped and 40 years from now we'd end up like America needing private health care, which is fine if you can afford it and choose to buy it... but the other 50 million of us? " Cant think where you get that idea from. | |||
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"What's everyone's views ? " My view is unless there are UKIP swingers this should of been posted in general chat not swingers chat | |||
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"What's everyone's views ? " It's 2014 not 1973 | |||
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"What's everyone's views ? It's 2014 not 1973" Yes that's exactly why we need UKIP because of the state our country is in. | |||
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"Rich people making rich people richer. the end." This | |||
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"What's everyone's views ? It's 2014 not 1973 Yes that's exactly why we need UKIP because of the state our country is in." Cool, racism, sexism and a one policy party will cure it then. | |||
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"Douglas Carswell will be leader of that party before it ever gets that big, Farage hasn't got the finesse of a party leader. His weird radical views on breastfeeding in public and anti gay views amongst other things prove he ain't right for leadership but he will do for now, Being a good speaker if he is right or wrong as got his party attention by the public and getting Douglas Carswell made the party credible." All the minorities seem to get what they want but the majority get ignored, and as for weird views on breastfeeding what on earth is weird about them, lots of people happen to agree with him. | |||
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"What's everyone's views ? Hopefully they will make the other parties look at the immigration problems we are having and realize people are not happy about the situation I am more concerned about cost of living rather than the scaremongering on immigration. Its not scaremongering on immigration its fact!" Illegal immigrant numbers are made up simply because they are just press assumptions based on nowt more than scaremongering. By its nature you cannot put figure on something invisible. | |||
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"Douglas Carswell will be leader of that party before it ever gets that big, Farage hasn't got the finesse of a party leader. His weird radical views on breastfeeding in public and anti gay views amongst other things prove he ain't right for leadership but he will do for now, Being a good speaker if he is right or wrong as got his party attention by the public and getting Douglas Carswell made the party credible. All the minorities seem to get what they want but the majority get ignored, and as for weird views on breastfeeding what on earth is weird about them, lots of people happen to agree with him." 'Seem' being the operative word. As for the breast-feeding, it's the 21st Century, surely we're beyond being embarrassed about that? | |||
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"Douglas Carswell will be leader of that party before it ever gets that big, Farage hasn't got the finesse of a party leader. His weird radical views on breastfeeding in public and anti gay views amongst other things prove he ain't right for leadership but he will do for now, Being a good speaker if he is right or wrong as got his party attention by the public and getting Douglas Carswell made the party credible. All the minorities seem to get what they want but the majority get ignored, and as for weird views on breastfeeding what on earth is weird about them, lots of people happen to agree with him. 'Seem' being the operative word. As for the breast-feeding, it's the 21st Century, surely we're beyond being embarrassed about that?" Maybe not to feminists and swingers I guess. | |||
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"Carswell opposes: same sex marriage, discrimination on the grounds of sexual preference (which form part of The Equality Act) , The Dangerous Dogs Act, The Firearms Act, the War Crimes Act and thinks the NHS isn't a very good idea. He also thinks a lot of worker's rights should be abolished but he's not as down on immigration as some of the other members of his new party. Would I vote for that? Not a chance." is Carswell the one who lets his true racist feelings out when he 'gets tired' or is that the other one..?? | |||
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"Carswell opposes: same sex marriage, discrimination on the grounds of sexual preference (which form part of The Equality Act) , The Dangerous Dogs Act, The Firearms Act, the War Crimes Act and thinks the NHS isn't a very good idea. He also thinks a lot of worker's rights should be abolished but he's not as down on immigration as some of the other members of his new party. Would I vote for that? Not a chance. is Carswell the one who lets his true racist feelings out when he 'gets tired' or is that the other one..??" I think that was the other one. Carswell is fairly considered, hence he was a Tory poster-boy before he made the switch. | |||
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"And we're hardly being overrun. At the last census the UK was still 86% White and 80% White/British. As for the Muslims that have so much influence over our daily lives; 4%!" Farage and his deluded little englander follows wont like to hear this fact as truth harder to take than fiction | |||
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"Douglas Carswell will be leader of that party before it ever gets that big, Farage hasn't got the finesse of a party leader. His weird radical views on breastfeeding in public and anti gay views amongst other things prove he ain't right for leadership but he will do for now, Being a good speaker if he is right or wrong as got his party attention by the public and getting Douglas Carswell made the party credible. All the minorities seem to get what they want but the majority get ignored, and as for weird views on breastfeeding what on earth is weird about them, lots of people happen to agree with him. 'Seem' being the operative word. As for the breast-feeding, it's the 21st Century, surely we're beyond being embarrassed about that? Maybe not to feminists and swingers I guess." Even my mother thinks it's a fuss about nothing and she's as dyed in the wool, white, middle-class conservative as it's possible to get. My politics are a complete mystery to her, so it's fair to say that both ends of the political spectrum are in disagreement with Farage over that. | |||
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"And we're hardly being overrun. At the last census the UK was still 86% White and 80% White/British. As for the Muslims that have so much influence over our daily lives; 4%!" Only 4% but they are producing more than the white british. | |||
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"Douglas Carswell ." o do hope so he's another buffoon.. can';t understand why anyone here would even think the idea's or view's UKip put forward are remotely ok, isn't being on a swinger's site making you a more rounded thought out individual who respects others peoples views and wishes ? not a racist or a bigot or homophobic ? I might be so wrong here but you'll shag a stranger (who you know jack shit about he or she could be fred and rose west) but you won't live and let live? | |||
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"And we're hardly being overrun. At the last census the UK was still 86% White and 80% White/British. As for the Muslims that have so much influence over our daily lives; 4%! Only 4% but they are producing more than the white british." old fashion racism in a morning before my cup of earl grey no wonder I need my prozac! | |||
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"And we're hardly being overrun. At the last census the UK was still 86% White and 80% White/British. As for the Muslims that have so much influence over our daily lives; 4%! Only 4% but they are producing more than the white british." Do you have any facts to back up that statement or did you get it direct from the meme that Britain First like to put on their timeline on FB every few weeks? | |||
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"Carswell opposes: same sex marriage, discrimination on the grounds of sexual preference (which form part of The Equality Act) , The Dangerous Dogs Act, The Firearms Act, the War Crimes Act and thinks the NHS isn't a very good idea. He also thinks a lot of worker's rights should be abolished but he's not as down on immigration as some of the other members of his new party. Would I vote for that? Not a chance. is Carswell the one who lets his true racist feelings out when he 'gets tired' or is that the other one..?? I think that was the other one. Carswell is fairly considered, hence he was a Tory poster-boy before he made the switch." ty.. makes one wonder how he got past the selection panel..  | |||
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"I like nigel farage he will make a good prime minister. I am not surprise looking your profile depicts your likeness for nigel farage No Black or Asians" Really? Sounds like you've been brainwashed by the BBC and the guardian, lol. Try telling Amjad Bashir, Steven Woolfe and Winston McKenzie no blacks or asians allowed to join UKIP. | |||
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"And we're hardly being overrun. At the last census the UK was still 86% White and 80% White/British. As for the Muslims that have so much influence over our daily lives; 4%! Only 4% but they are producing more than the white british." Provide independent evidence to back it up. | |||
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"Carswell opposes: same sex marriage, discrimination on the grounds of sexual preference (which form part of The Equality Act) , The Dangerous Dogs Act, The Firearms Act, the War Crimes Act and thinks the NHS isn't a very good idea. He also thinks a lot of worker's rights should be abolished but he's not as down on immigration as some of the other members of his new party. Would I vote for that? Not a chance."
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"And we're hardly being overrun. At the last census the UK was still 86% White and 80% White/British. As for the Muslims that have so much influence over our daily lives; 4%! Only 4% but they are producing more than the white british. Provide independent evidence to back it up." she wont.. as usual with any thing to do with race she is either 'trolling' or shows her true colours.. shame cos her input is often funny.. | |||
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"How many of the farage lovers have takeaways go in taxis go to shops where immigrants work I bet vast majority so case of if you believe the immigrants are all bad do not use anything they supply otherwise smacks of double standards. Lets sah folk fall for the Farage shit in entirety and we shut up shop not allowing folk into country wont be long before others follow suit therefore stopping folk emigrating or to work elsewhere some just need to take blinkers off. To me more of concern is that Farage wants rid of minimum wage and reducing workers rights which are basic as it is so much for man of the working folk he is just man for the rich no better than Conservatives. If using immigration as be all and end all of uk probs folk need to get real. Yes of course there are some problems but think " If Farage dislikes foreigners so much then why does he have a German wife? No one has ever said UKIP will stop all immigration, its just plain nonsense to suggest they would. Its just a matter of having better control over it than the current open door and let anybody in policy that the Lib/Lab/Con all seem to adopt. | |||
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" If Farage dislikes foreigners so much then why does he have a German wife? " god knows why you'd need to ask him, I'm sure it has more to do with the fact no decent' english totty would have the freaky looking banker near them!!! or its another way for him to keep milking his £200,000 a year salary from the EU which he seems to think is ok and not two faced at all.... | |||
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"BNP votes have really been in decline lately - and they're certainly not going to the Greens. " Think the BNP are now more likely to vote for Britain first party than UKIP seeing as UKIP bans any former BNP members from joining UKIP. | |||
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"Lets hope in the next election they shock a few people because the torys have fucked this country AGAIN just like thatcher did, "
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"Lets hope in the next election they shock a few people because the torys have fucked this country AGAIN just like thatcher did, "They'll take votes off the Tory's leaving Labour as a shoe-in. I'll be surprised if they even hang on to Rochester. And I'm no Tory by any stretch of the imagination but you can't really blame them for the mess they were left with when they came in. | |||
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" I've got money on a lab/lib/snp coalition " can certainly see the SNP having a say especially if they take a lot of Labours seats up there.. trouble is I reckon they will want another referendum within the lifetime of the Parliament which Labour may not be keen on.. | |||
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" If Farage dislikes foreigners so much then why does he have a German wife? god knows why you'd need to ask him, I'm sure it has more to do with the fact no decent' english totty would have the freaky looking banker near them!!! or its another way for him to keep milking his £200,000 a year salary from the EU which he seems to think is ok and not two faced at all...." Not so sure about that, Farage seems to have quite the groupie following, when he did the televised debate on sky news with Nick Clegg earlier in the year they were interviewing members of the audience leaving and a British woman seemed smitten by him, lol. | |||
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"Lets hope in the next election they shock a few people because the torys have fucked this country AGAIN just like thatcher did,
They'll take votes off the Tory's leaving Labour as a shoe-in. I'll be surprised if they even hang on to Rochester.
And I'm no Tory by any stretch of the imagination but you can't really blame them for the mess they were left with when they came in."Yes it was Blair/Brown and the Labour party who did the real damage when they were in. | |||
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"Lets hope in the next election they shock a few people because the torys have fucked this country AGAIN just like thatcher did,
They'll take votes off the Tory's leaving Labour as a shoe-in. I'll be surprised if they even hang on to Rochester.
And I'm no Tory by any stretch of the imagination but you can't really blame them for the mess they were left with when they came in.
Yes it was Blair/Brown and the Labour party who did the real damage when they were in. "prior to 08 the GDP figures were about 2.4% pa for the previous ten years, granted there was a lot of structural debt within that which when the global crash came fucked a lot of economies up.. and we still had a triple A credit rating unlike now under Osborne.. | |||
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"I like nigel farage he will make a good prime minister." Because that would actually happen? Sure, UKIP may have slightly increased their support, but the odds of Farage ever becoming Prime Minister are very slim. | |||
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"Lets hope in the next election they shock a few people because the torys have fucked this country AGAIN just like thatcher did,
They'll take votes off the Tory's leaving Labour as a shoe-in. I'll be surprised if they even hang on to Rochester.
And I'm no Tory by any stretch of the imagination but you can't really blame them for the mess they were left with when they came in.
Yes it was Blair/Brown and the Labour party who did the real damage when they were in.
prior to 08 the GDP figures were about 2.4% pa for the previous ten years, granted there was a lot of structural debt within that which when the global crash came fucked a lot of economies up..
and we still had a triple A credit rating unlike now under Osborne..
"The trouble with Labour is its always spend, spend, spend like there is no tomorrow. Brown never saved any for a rainy day, never fixed the roof while the sun was shining, and it was Labour who left a note saying "There is no money left" when they got kicked out of office. | |||
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"And we're hardly being overrun. At the last census the UK was still 86% White and 80% White/British. As for the Muslims that have so much influence over our daily lives; 4%! Only 4% but they are producing more than the white british." Er...you do realise that a considerable percentage of Britain's muslims (myself included) are both white and born in Britain, right? I am both 'muslim' and 'white british'. | |||
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"Lets hope in the next election they shock a few people because the torys have fucked this country AGAIN just like thatcher did,
They'll take votes off the Tory's leaving Labour as a shoe-in. I'll be surprised if they even hang on to Rochester.
And I'm no Tory by any stretch of the imagination but you can't really blame them for the mess they were left with when they came in.
Yes it was Blair/Brown and the Labour party who did the real damage when they were in.
prior to 08 the GDP figures were about 2.4% pa for the previous ten years, granted there was a lot of structural debt within that which when the global crash came fucked a lot of economies up..
and we still had a triple A credit rating unlike now under Osborne..
"Whether the Tories or Labour had got into power, the trickle down effect of the recession would have screwed that credit rating anyway. | |||
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"And we're hardly being overrun. At the last census the UK was still 86% White and 80% White/British. As for the Muslims that have so much influence over our daily lives; 4%! Only 4% but they are producing more than the white british. Er...you do realise that a considerable percentage of Britain's muslims (myself included) are both white and born in Britain, right? I am both 'muslim' and 'white british'." If you consider 4% to be a 'considerable percentage' then I agree with you
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"And we're hardly being overrun. At the last census the UK was still 86% White and 80% White/British. As for the Muslims that have so much influence over our daily lives; 4%! Only 4% but they are producing more than the white british. Er...you do realise that a considerable percentage of Britain's muslims (myself included) are both white and born in Britain, right? I am both 'muslim' and 'white british'. If you consider 4% to be a 'considerable percentage' then I agree with you
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"And we're hardly being overrun. At the last census the UK was still 86% White and 80% White/British. As for the Muslims that have so much influence over our daily lives; 4%! Only 4% but they are producing more than the white british. Er...you do realise that a considerable percentage of Britain's muslims (myself included) are both white and born in Britain, right? I am both 'muslim' and 'white british'. If you consider 4% to be a 'considerable percentage' then I agree with you
Noo I mean a considerable percentage of the 4% of the population that are muslim."I know, and 4% of the 4% are converts to Islam (about 3.5% actually but I rounded up)! | |||
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"are both white and born in Britain, right? I am both 'muslim' and 'white british'." can you be Muslim and still swing? not sure Allah would be impressed. | |||
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"And we're hardly being overrun. At the last census the UK was still 86% White and 80% White/British. As for the Muslims that have so much influence over our daily lives; 4%! Only 4% but they are producing more than the white british. Er...you do realise that a considerable percentage of Britain's muslims (myself included) are both white and born in Britain, right? I am both 'muslim' and 'white british'. If you consider 4% to be a 'considerable percentage' then I agree with you
Noo I mean a considerable percentage of the 4% of the population that are muslim.
I know, and 4% of the 4% are converts to Islam (about 3.5% actually but I rounded up)!"Yes, but you don't have to be a convert to be white british and muslim... | |||
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"are both white and born in Britain, right? I am both 'muslim' and 'white british'. can you be Muslim and still swing? not sure Allah would be impressed." Doing a bad thing doesn't mean you magically stop being a muslim. I would just be considered a 'bad' muslim. | |||
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"I would just be considered a 'bad' muslim. " sounds very much like a cop out to me, cake and eating it.... can you choose which bits of a religion you live by? | |||
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"I would just be considered a 'bad' muslim. sounds very much like a cop out to me, cake and eating it.... can you choose which bits of a religion you live by?" yes, almost everyone who practices a religion does to some extent. | |||
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"I would just be considered a 'bad' muslim. sounds very much like a cop out to me, cake and eating it.... can you choose which bits of a religion you live by?" Islam (like judaism), in contrast to christianity, is more about law than what you believe. Faith and belief aren't massively important. So someone could believe absolutely none of it and practice none of it and could legitimately still be called a muslim (again, this is true of judaism-that's why you have people like Woody Allen and David Baddiel who don't believe in God but are still unquestionably jewish). Personally, my beliefs regarding God are closer to the deist perspective-but I'm still a muslim and damn proud of it too. The idea of 'if you do this, you can't be this' is totally a christian-centric idea. | |||
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" The trouble with Labour is its always spend, spend, spend like there is no tomorrow. Brown never saved any for a rainy day, never fixed the roof while the sun was shining, and it was Labour who left a note saying "There is no money left" when they got kicked out of office." could almost hear tory central office spin doctor saying that.. £1.5 trillion debt all on tick under Osborne.. | |||
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"A couple of Muslim friends of mine explained it like this, certainly in regards to drinking and smoking. They're not allowed 'luxuries' but what they consider to be luxuries is down to their own interpretation. One of them smokes, the other doesn't; the one who does, doesn't consider smoking to be a luxury anymore (he earns a lot more than me )
Neither of them drink but both of them do occasionally and they would both be consider fairly devout. "Incidentally, I don't really drink, but that has more to do with lifestyle choice than religion per se. | |||
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"And we're hardly being overrun. At the last census the UK was still 86% White and 80% White/British. As for the Muslims that have so much influence over our daily lives; 4%! Only 4% but they are producing more than the white british. Er...you do realise that a considerable percentage of Britain's muslims (myself included) are both white and born in Britain, right? I am both 'muslim' and 'white british'. If you consider 4% to be a 'considerable percentage' then I agree with you
Noo I mean a considerable percentage of the 4% of the population that are muslim.
I know, and 4% of the 4% are converts to Islam (about 3.5% actually but I rounded up)!
Yes, but you don't have to be a convert to be white british and muslim..."Then I imagine the percentage would be even lower, not higher, than the number of converts to Islam, the majority of whom were women, apropos of nothing. I live in one of the most multi-cultural cities in the UK and have never met a white British Muslim who hadn't converted but maybe I just hang around the wrong mosques! | |||
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"And we're hardly being overrun. At the last census the UK was still 86% White and 80% White/British. As for the Muslims that have so much influence over our daily lives; 4%! Only 4% but they are producing more than the white british. Do you have any facts to back up that statement or did you get it direct from the meme that Britain First like to put on their timeline on FB every few weeks?" I am reading it in the newspapers all the time, what makes you so sure it isn't true, maybe because you don't want to think its true. | |||
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"And we're hardly being overrun. At the last census the UK was still 86% White and 80% White/British. As for the Muslims that have so much influence over our daily lives; 4%! Only 4% but they are producing more than the white british. Do you have any facts to back up that statement or did you get it direct from the meme that Britain First like to put on their timeline on FB every few weeks? I am reading it in the newspapers all the time, what makes you so sure it isn't true, maybe because you don't want to think its true." No, because the ONS says it isn't true, so unless hospitals are misreporting births and deaths, it isn't true. | |||
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"And we're hardly being overrun. At the last census the UK was still 86% White and 80% White/British. As for the Muslims that have so much influence over our daily lives; 4%! Only 4% but they are producing more than the white british. Er...you do realise that a considerable percentage of Britain's muslims (myself included) are both white and born in Britain, right? I am both 'muslim' and 'white british'. If you consider 4% to be a 'considerable percentage' then I agree with you
Noo I mean a considerable percentage of the 4% of the population that are muslim.
I know, and 4% of the 4% are converts to Islam (about 3.5% actually but I rounded up)!
Yes, but you don't have to be a convert to be white british and muslim...
Then I imagine the percentage would be even lower, not higher, than the number of converts to Islam, the majority of whom were women, apropos of nothing.
I live in one of the most multi-cultural cities in the UK and have never met a white British Muslim who hadn't converted but maybe I just hang around the wrong mosques!"Oh; granted I'm the exception rather than the rule. My dad's dad's dad was a white british convert to Islam (but living in what was then British India) | |||
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"Lets hope in the next election they shock a few people because the torys have fucked this country AGAIN just like thatcher did,
They'll take votes off the Tory's leaving Labour as a shoe-in. I'll be surprised if they even hang on to Rochester.
And I'm no Tory by any stretch of the imagination but you can't really blame them for the mess they were left with when they came in.
Yes it was Blair/Brown and the Labour party who did the real damage when they were in.
prior to 08 the GDP figures were about 2.4% pa for the previous ten years, granted there was a lot of structural debt within that which when the global crash came fucked a lot of economies up..
and we still had a triple A credit rating unlike now under Osborne..
The trouble with Labour is its always spend, spend, spend like there is no tomorrow. Brown never saved any for a rainy day, never fixed the roof while the sun was shining, and it was Labour who left a note saying "There is no money left" when they got kicked out of office."I know nasty labour trying to help the disadvantaged and young!! Much better these Tories whose draconian cuts have forced the close of 10's of disabled centres and every youth centre in Staffordshire!! Of course the global recession was all labours fault too!! Pissed my pants last week with Cameron n his toff mate (nice dye job George) admitting after months of crowing that our economy isn't actually fixed!! As for immigration, well who helped rebuild the country after the war? I think you'll find lots of foreigners did, and we were that short still on the 50's we INVITED our commonwealth family to help us even further!! | |||
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"Lets hope in the next election they shock a few people because the torys have fucked this country AGAIN just like thatcher did,
They'll take votes off the Tory's leaving Labour as a shoe-in. I'll be surprised if they even hang on to Rochester.
And I'm no Tory by any stretch of the imagination but you can't really blame them for the mess they were left with when they came in.
Yes it was Blair/Brown and the Labour party who did the real damage when they were in.
prior to 08 the GDP figures were about 2.4% pa for the previous ten years, granted there was a lot of structural debt within that which when the global crash came fucked a lot of economies up..
and we still had a triple A credit rating unlike now under Osborne..
The trouble with Labour is its always spend, spend, spend like there is no tomorrow. Brown never saved any for a rainy day, never fixed the roof while the sun was shining, and it was Labour who left a note saying "There is no money left" when they got kicked out of office.
I know nasty labour trying to help the disadvantaged and young!! Much better these Tories whose draconian cuts have forced the close of 10's of disabled centres and every youth centre in Staffordshire!! Of course the global recession was all labours fault too!! Pissed my pants last week with Cameron n his toff mate (nice dye job George) admitting after months of crowing that our economy isn't actually fixed!! As for immigration, well who helped rebuild the country after the war? I think you'll find lots of foreigners did, and we were that short still on the 50's we INVITED our commonwealth family to help us even further!!"You're so wide of the mark you could lead the line for Leeds United. The anti-immigration stance isn't aimed at 3rd and 4th generation immigrants as you're trying to infer, it's at the flood of 3rd world and EU migrants that has occurred since Labours policy of uncontrolled immigration. This irresponsible and nigh on treasonable policy has flooded our infrastructures, water, schools, Drs and Hospitals to breaking point. Not to mention the welfare state. As for Labour helping the poor and disadvantaged, nannying them and encouraging social breakdown and state dependancy from the cradle to the grave, isn't going to achieve that. | |||
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"Lets hope in the next election they shock a few people because the torys have fucked this country AGAIN just like thatcher did,
They'll take votes off the Tory's leaving Labour as a shoe-in. I'll be surprised if they even hang on to Rochester.
And I'm no Tory by any stretch of the imagination but you can't really blame them for the mess they were left with when they came in.
Yes it was Blair/Brown and the Labour party who did the real damage when they were in.
prior to 08 the GDP figures were about 2.4% pa for the previous ten years, granted there was a lot of structural debt within that which when the global crash came fucked a lot of economies up..
and we still had a triple A credit rating unlike now under Osborne..
The trouble with Labour is its always spend, spend, spend like there is no tomorrow. Brown never saved any for a rainy day, never fixed the roof while the sun was shining, and it was Labour who left a note saying "There is no money left" when they got kicked out of office.
I know nasty labour trying to help the disadvantaged and young!! Much better these Tories whose draconian cuts have forced the close of 10's of disabled centres and every youth centre in Staffordshire!! Of course the global recession was all labours fault too!! Pissed my pants last week with Cameron n his toff mate (nice dye job George) admitting after months of crowing that our economy isn't actually fixed!! As for immigration, well who helped rebuild the country after the war? I think you'll find lots of foreigners did, and we were that short still on the 50's we INVITED our commonwealth family to help us even further!!
You're so wide of the mark you could lead the line for Leeds United.
The anti-immigration stance isn't aimed at 3rd and 4th generation immigrants as you're trying to infer, it's at the flood of 3rd world and EU migrants that has occurred since Labours policy of uncontrolled immigration. This irresponsible and nigh on treasonable policy has flooded our infrastructures, water, schools, Drs and Hospitals to breaking point. Not to mention the welfare state.
As for Labour helping the poor and disadvantaged, nannying them and encouraging social breakdown and state dependancy from the cradle to the grave, isn't going to achieve that.
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" As for Labour helping the poor and disadvantaged, nannying them and encouraging social breakdown and state dependancy from the cradle to the grave, isn't going to achieve that. " or called helping those less fortunate than yourself..... care I ask what have you done this week for those worse off than yourself? (this is rhetorical and not aimed at any one poster here) | |||
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"I like nigel farage he will make a good prime minister. Because that would actually happen? Sure, UKIP may have slightly increased their support, but the odds of Farage ever becoming Prime Minister are very slim." | |||
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"Tony Blair was a war criminal who earned & still is earning a fortune, illegal wars skinted the country & fetched it to its knees not forgetting the hundreds/thousands of soldiers in all these countries who lost their lives because of him & Bush. Having a black great grand dad I am far from racist & don't believe any party at present is good for the country, put the good MP's together from existing parties and you might have a chance. " You might just about have a cricket team | |||
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"Tony Blair was a war criminal who earned & still is earning a fortune, illegal wars skinted the country & fetched it to its knees not forgetting the hundreds/thousands of soldiers in all these countries who lost their lives because of him & Bush. Having a black great grand dad I am far from racist & don't believe any party at present is good for the country, put the good MP's together from existing parties and you might have a chance. " I don't think he was indicted, so lawfully speaking, he wasn't a war crim. | |||
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"Tony Blair was a war criminal who earned & still is earning a fortune, illegal wars skinted the country & fetched it to its knees not forgetting the hundreds/thousands of soldiers in all these countries who lost their lives because of him & Bush. Having a black great grand dad I am far from racist & don't believe any party at present is good for the country, put the good MP's together from existing parties and you might have a chance. " I opposed the Iraq war and marched along with many others to show my opposition as it was both illegal and immoral however it didn't make us skint or fetch us to our knees.. granted any such expenditure could have been better used in not killing folks but its only a small proportion of the issue.. | |||
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"Lets hope in the next election they shock a few people because the torys have fucked this country AGAIN just like thatcher did,
They'll take votes off the Tory's leaving Labour as a shoe-in. I'll be surprised if they even hang on to Rochester.
And I'm no Tory by any stretch of the imagination but you can't really blame them for the mess they were left with when they came in.
Yes it was Blair/Brown and the Labour party who did the real damage when they were in.
prior to 08 the GDP figures were about 2.4% pa for the previous ten years, granted there was a lot of structural debt within that which when the global crash came fucked a lot of economies up..
and we still had a triple A credit rating unlike now under Osborne..
The trouble with Labour is its always spend, spend, spend like there is no tomorrow. Brown never saved any for a rainy day, never fixed the roof while the sun was shining, and it was Labour who left a note saying "There is no money left" when they got kicked out of office.
I know nasty labour trying to help the disadvantaged and young!! Much better these Tories whose draconian cuts have forced the close of 10's of disabled centres and every youth centre in Staffordshire!! Of course the global recession was all labours fault too!! Pissed my pants last week with Cameron n his toff mate (nice dye job George) admitting after months of crowing that our economy isn't actually fixed!! As for immigration, well who helped rebuild the country after the war? I think you'll find lots of foreigners did, and we were that short still on the 50's we INVITED our commonwealth family to help us even further!!
You're so wide of the mark you could lead the line for Leeds United.
The anti-immigration stance isn't aimed at 3rd and 4th generation immigrants as you're trying to infer, it's at the flood of 3rd world and EU migrants that has occurred since Labours policy of uncontrolled immigration. This irresponsible and nigh on treasonable policy has flooded our infrastructures, water, schools, Drs and Hospitals to breaking point. Not to mention the welfare state.
As for Labour helping the poor and disadvantaged, nannying them and encouraging social breakdown and state dependancy from the cradle to the grave, isn't going to achieve that.
"How has immigration reduced our services to breaking point? Immigrants still make up a small minority of our population, not all immigrants are on welfare and I wasn't aware we had a water shortage. I have no problems with capping the number of immigrants that enter the country and making the criteria for entry more stringent for all but genuine political refugees but to blame them for the state the country is in is frankly, ridiculous. | |||
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" You're so wide of the mark you could lead the line for Leeds United. The anti-immigration stance isn't aimed at 3rd and 4th generation immigrants as you're trying to infer, it's at the flood of 3rd world and EU migrants that has occurred since Labours policy of uncontrolled immigration. This irresponsible and nigh on treasonable policy has flooded our infrastructures, water, schools, Drs and Hospitals to breaking point. Not to mention the welfare state. " immigration figures since this lot got in have hardly been downward though have they..? and ffs 'treasonable', really.. | |||
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"Pretty sure UKIP wouldn't be happy with all the women who only go with black fellas on here. Not that UKIP are racist or anything!!" Surely then these women are racist if they only meet black men? | |||
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"Tony Blair was a war criminal who earned & still is earning a fortune, illegal wars skinted the country & fetched it to its knees not forgetting the hundreds/thousands of soldiers in all these countries who lost their lives because of him & Bush. Having a black great grand dad I am far from racist & don't believe any party at present is good for the country, put the good MP's together from existing parties and you might have a chance. I opposed the Iraq war and marched along with many others to show my opposition as it was both illegal and immoral however it didn't make us skint or fetch us to our knees.. granted any such expenditure could have been better used in not killing folks but its only a small proportion of the issue.." The at the time of the Iraq war it was costing what 40 hospitals would cost to run each year so where did that money come? it considerably helped cause a massive deficit in our funds. | |||
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"Did you know there were Jewish supporters of Nazis? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/museums/10682975/The-Jews-who-fought-for-Hitler-We-did-not-help-the-Germans.-We-had-a-common-enemy.html No accounting for taste sometimes!" That's a little bit disingenuous, they hardly supported the Nazis! They were both fighting the Russians, so more a case of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'. | |||
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"Lets hope in the next election they shock a few people because the torys have fucked this country AGAIN just like thatcher did,
They'll take votes off the Tory's leaving Labour as a shoe-in. I'll be surprised if they even hang on to Rochester.
And I'm no Tory by any stretch of the imagination but you can't really blame them for the mess they were left with when they came in.
Yes it was Blair/Brown and the Labour party who did the real damage when they were in.
prior to 08 the GDP figures were about 2.4% pa for the previous ten years, granted there was a lot of structural debt within that which when the global crash came fucked a lot of economies up..
and we still had a triple A credit rating unlike now under Osborne..
The trouble with Labour is its always spend, spend, spend like there is no tomorrow. Brown never saved any for a rainy day, never fixed the roof while the sun was shining, and it was Labour who left a note saying "There is no money left" when they got kicked out of office.
I know nasty labour trying to help the disadvantaged and young!! Much better these Tories whose draconian cuts have forced the close of 10's of disabled centres and every youth centre in Staffordshire!! Of course the global recession was all labours fault too!! Pissed my pants last week with Cameron n his toff mate (nice dye job George) admitting after months of crowing that our economy isn't actually fixed!! As for immigration, well who helped rebuild the country after the war? I think you'll find lots of foreigners did, and we were that short still on the 50's we INVITED our commonwealth family to help us even further!!"Labour are not for the working classes anymore, Emily Thornberry proved that when she posted the sneering tweet on twitter a few weeks ago during the Rochester by-election. Gordon Brown already proved the Labour party was out of touch when he called a life long Labour supporter (Gillian Duffy) a "Bigoted women" during the last general election campaign in Rochdale, Labour simply refuse to address immigration and call anyone who questions it racist. And are Labour now any different to the tories? Millionaire champagne socialists, privately educated, etc, etc. The global recession was not Labours fault but Gordon Brown made our situation worse when he de-regulated the Banks, and did'nt keep any money aside for such an event as when the collapse happened in 2008. | |||
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"Lets hope in the next election they shock a few people because the torys have fucked this country AGAIN just like thatcher did,
They'll take votes off the Tory's leaving Labour as a shoe-in. I'll be surprised if they even hang on to Rochester.
And I'm no Tory by any stretch of the imagination but you can't really blame them for the mess they were left with when they came in.
Yes it was Blair/Brown and the Labour party who did the real damage when they were in.
prior to 08 the GDP figures were about 2.4% pa for the previous ten years, granted there was a lot of structural debt within that which when the global crash came fucked a lot of economies up..
and we still had a triple A credit rating unlike now under Osborne..
The trouble with Labour is its always spend, spend, spend like there is no tomorrow. Brown never saved any for a rainy day, never fixed the roof while the sun was shining, and it was Labour who left a note saying "There is no money left" when they got kicked out of office.
I know nasty labour trying to help the disadvantaged and young!! Much better these Tories whose draconian cuts have forced the close of 10's of disabled centres and every youth centre in Staffordshire!! Of course the global recession was all labours fault too!! Pissed my pants last week with Cameron n his toff mate (nice dye job George) admitting after months of crowing that our economy isn't actually fixed!! As for immigration, well who helped rebuild the country after the war? I think you'll find lots of foreigners did, and we were that short still on the 50's we INVITED our commonwealth family to help us even further!!
Labour are not for the working classes anymore, Emily Thornberry proved that when she posted the sneering tweet on twitter a few weeks ago during the Rochester by-election. Gordon Brown already proved the Labour party was out of touch when he called a life long Labour supporter (Gillian Duffy) a "Bigoted women" during the last general election campaign in Rochdale, Labour simply refuse to address immigration and call anyone who questions it racist.
And are Labour now any different to the tories? Millionaire champagne socialists, privately educated, etc, etc. The global recession was not Labours fault but Gordon Brown made our situation worse when he de-regulated the Banks, and did'nt keep any money aside for such an event as when the collapse happened in 2008. "And the viable alternative is a party even farther to the right, when our entire mainstream political system is now right of centre, bar a couple of old school Labour MP's and the odd Lib Dem who doesn't toe the party line. | |||
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"Lets hope in the next election they shock a few people because the torys have fucked this country AGAIN just like thatcher did,
They'll take votes off the Tory's leaving Labour as a shoe-in. I'll be surprised if they even hang on to Rochester.
And I'm no Tory by any stretch of the imagination but you can't really blame them for the mess they were left with when they came in.
Yes it was Blair/Brown and the Labour party who did the real damage when they were in.
prior to 08 the GDP figures were about 2.4% pa for the previous ten years, granted there was a lot of structural debt within that which when the global crash came fucked a lot of economies up..
and we still had a triple A credit rating unlike now under Osborne..
The trouble with Labour is its always spend, spend, spend like there is no tomorrow. Brown never saved any for a rainy day, never fixed the roof while the sun was shining, and it was Labour who left a note saying "There is no money left" when they got kicked out of office.
I know nasty labour trying to help the disadvantaged and young!! Much better these Tories whose draconian cuts have forced the close of 10's of disabled centres and every youth centre in Staffordshire!! Of course the global recession was all labours fault too!! Pissed my pants last week with Cameron n his toff mate (nice dye job George) admitting after months of crowing that our economy isn't actually fixed!! As for immigration, well who helped rebuild the country after the war? I think you'll find lots of foreigners did, and we were that short still on the 50's we INVITED our commonwealth family to help us even further!!
Labour are not for the working classes anymore, Emily Thornberry proved that when she posted the sneering tweet on twitter a few weeks ago during the Rochester by-election. Gordon Brown already proved the Labour party was out of touch when he called a life long Labour supporter (Gillian Duffy) a "Bigoted women" during the last general election campaign in Rochdale, Labour simply refuse to address immigration and call anyone who questions it racist.
And are Labour now any different to the tories? Millionaire champagne socialists, privately educated, etc, etc. The global recession was not Labours fault but Gordon Brown made our situation worse when he de-regulated the Banks, and did'nt keep any money aside for such an event as when the collapse happened in 2008.
And the viable alternative is a party even farther to the right, when our entire mainstream political system is now right of centre, bar a couple of old school Labour MP's and the odd Lib Dem who doesn't toe the party line."A lot of people are saying they are going to vote for the greens now. I think people are just fed up with Lib/Lab/Con same old, same old bollocks. | |||
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But point taken. So what about these Jewish folks in Germany?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews
Interesting quote:
"A possible reason why some German Jews supported Hitler may have been that they thought that his antisemitism only was for the purpose of "stirring up the masses"."
Also the Brown Shirts, who brought Hitler to power, were homosexual and happy to bash up effeminate gays. (They were later exterminated by the SS, the black shirts)
http://www.chgs.umn.edu/educational/homosexuals.html
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"Lets hope in the next election they shock a few people because the torys have fucked this country AGAIN just like thatcher did,
They'll take votes off the Tory's leaving Labour as a shoe-in. I'll be surprised if they even hang on to Rochester.
And I'm no Tory by any stretch of the imagination but you can't really blame them for the mess they were left with when they came in.
Yes it was Blair/Brown and the Labour party who did the real damage when they were in.
prior to 08 the GDP figures were about 2.4% pa for the previous ten years, granted there was a lot of structural debt within that which when the global crash came fucked a lot of economies up..
and we still had a triple A credit rating unlike now under Osborne..
The trouble with Labour is its always spend, spend, spend like there is no tomorrow. Brown never saved any for a rainy day, never fixed the roof while the sun was shining, and it was Labour who left a note saying "There is no money left" when they got kicked out of office.
I know nasty labour trying to help the disadvantaged and young!! Much better these Tories whose draconian cuts have forced the close of 10's of disabled centres and every youth centre in Staffordshire!! Of course the global recession was all labours fault too!! Pissed my pants last week with Cameron n his toff mate (nice dye job George) admitting after months of crowing that our economy isn't actually fixed!! As for immigration, well who helped rebuild the country after the war? I think you'll find lots of foreigners did, and we were that short still on the 50's we INVITED our commonwealth family to help us even further!!
Labour are not for the working classes anymore, Emily Thornberry proved that when she posted the sneering tweet on twitter a few weeks ago during the Rochester by-election. Gordon Brown already proved the Labour party was out of touch when he called a life long Labour supporter (Gillian Duffy) a "Bigoted women" during the last general election campaign in Rochdale, Labour simply refuse to address immigration and call anyone who questions it racist.
And are Labour now any different to the tories? Millionaire champagne socialists, privately educated, etc, etc. The global recession was not Labours fault but Gordon Brown made our situation worse when he de-regulated the Banks, and did'nt keep any money aside for such an event as when the collapse happened in 2008.
And the viable alternative is a party even farther to the right, when our entire mainstream political system is now right of centre, bar a couple of old school Labour MP's and the odd Lib Dem who doesn't toe the party line.
A lot of people are saying they are going to vote for the greens now. I think people are just fed up with Lib/Lab/Con same old, same old bollocks. "The Greens have even more laughable policies than UKIP! | |||
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"Its like swinging - you should be careful who you get into bed with!
But point taken. So what about these Jewish folks in Germany?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews
Interesting quote:
"A possible reason why some German Jews supported Hitler may have been that they thought that his antisemitism only was for the purpose of "stirring up the masses"."
Also the Brown Shirts, who brought Hitler to power, were homosexual and happy to bash up effeminate gays. (They were later exterminated by the SS, the black shirts)
http://www.chgs.umn.edu/educational/homosexuals.html
If we dont learn from history, we tend to repeat it..."The German Jews probably didn't realise the true horror until it was too late. Hitler took Germany out of the crippling inflation of the post WW1/Treaty of Versailles years. | |||
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"....................... And the viable alternative is a party even farther to the right, when our entire mainstream political system is now right of centre, bar a couple of old school Labour MP's and the odd Lib Dem who doesn't toe the party line." Entire mainstream political system to the right of centre? Are you sure????? We are a predominantly socialist country this is why we have an NHS and a very generous welfare arrangement. The Conservative party are right of centre (light) and only just, everyone else (aside from the Kippers) are very left of centre. I would hate to think what you imagine left of centre to be. | |||
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"....................... And the viable alternative is a party even farther to the right, when our entire mainstream political system is now right of centre, bar a couple of old school Labour MP's and the odd Lib Dem who doesn't toe the party line. Entire mainstream political system to the right of centre? Are you sure????? We are a predominantly socialist country this is why we have an NHS and a very generous welfare arrangement. The Conservative party are right of centre (light) and only just, everyone else (aside from the Kippers) are very left of centre. I would hate to think what you imagine left of centre to be." Behave, the Labour Party have been at least centre if not slightly to the right since the inception of New Labour and the Lib Dems try to be a little to the left of centre but fail miserably as they have to constantly toe the coalition line. Our Welfare System and the NHS are historical, do you think any of the current parties would implement them if they weren't already in place? | |||
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"Surely we should be thankful that Ukip have become our most Right Party as it shows we have all rejected the B N P and the like ! I think Ukip deserve credit for this "Have you not seen the numpties that slavishly follow every Islamophobic utterance on Britain First's pages then? They then point the morons at UKIP as they know that they're (Britain First, that is) unelectable. | |||
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"Have just watched a program about east European workers coming to this country and getting benefits to send back to theirs. I was so exasperated I nearly threw the hand set back at the television, the Romanian had the nerve to say he sent back and made £10000 in ten months, then brought his offspring over here so it could get a British passport!!!!! Another family of Iranians who say they had a big house, and servants, in Iran, come to this country and complain the flat was too small and they wanted a bigger house, with no traffic going past at night and keeping them awake!!! Grrrrrrrr Grrrrr" And you think that's 100% representative? Ever heard of Folk Devils and Moral Panics? | |||
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"Have just watched a program about east European workers coming to this country and getting benefits to send back to theirs. I was so exasperated I nearly threw the hand set back at the television, the Romanian had the nerve to say he sent back and made £10000 in ten months, then brought his offspring over here so it could get a British passport!!!!! Another family of Iranians who say they had a big house, and servants, in Iran, come to this country and complain the flat was too small and they wanted a bigger house, with no traffic going past at night and keeping them awake!!! Grrrrrrrr Grrrrr And you think that's 100% representative? Ever heard of Folk Devils and Moral Panics? " That's the sort of thing that's happening all the time and shouldn't be happening at all and why so many people are supporting UKIP. | |||
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"Have just watched a program about east European workers coming to this country and getting benefits to send back to theirs. I was so exasperated I nearly threw the hand set back at the television, the Romanian had the nerve to say he sent back and made £10000 in ten months, then brought his offspring over here so it could get a British passport!!!!! Another family of Iranians who say they had a big house, and servants, in Iran, come to this country and complain the flat was too small and they wanted a bigger house, with no traffic going past at night and keeping them awake!!! Grrrrrrrr Grrrrr" And whose fault is that? Why do we feel it is correct to have the most outrageously generous and easy to get benefits system? The benefits system needs sorting out not what happens because of it. | |||
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"Ukip are fear mongers peddling exaggerated stories of boogiemen to pander to ill-informed fears and prejudices. By dressing it up as acceptable policy they make it ok to 'dislike' your neighbour and blame all of society's ills on them. It's all part of one of the most wonderfully successful depressing divide-and-rule games of all time. They spend all their time telling us to fear immigrants who are here to take all our money, and whip everyone into a frenzy of fear and hate, so that our eyes aren't on the relevant targets. We lose far more money every year from the top few percent in society creaming off millions to maintain their lavish lifestyles than we ever do handling out a few thousands to immigrant families. We're a nation of immigrants, few of us have 'pure' blood, we've benefitted from influx after influx of foreigners, and continue to show a profit and benefit from our immigrants, yet we scream and shout about it as if it's all terrible, when the reality is it has almost zero impact on our lives, or often has a positive impact. And Ukip are just the smartest incarnation of this politic of fears. A bunch of failed, fringe Tories who were too loon for that party got together to find a new way of maintaining their noses in the trough. They bought donkey jackets, went down the pub for a pint, and conned you that they were just one of you, just looking out for your job and your culture. If it all wasn't so ugly it would just be a wee bit sad." we don't need nigel farage to tell us how to think because we think it already, we are just glad to have someone who thinks the same way, someone with some common sense not like the other pussy boys. ukip voters aren't that stupid to believe everything we hear unlike guardian reader lefties. | |||
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" We lose far more money every year from the top few percent in society creaming off millions to maintain their lavish lifestyles than we ever do handling out a few thousands to immigrant families." Absolutely right. Corportions and uber rich.... | |||
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" we don't need nigel farage to tell us how to think because we think it already, we are just glad to have someone who thinks the same way, someone with some common sense not like the other pussy boys. ukip voters aren't that stupid to believe everything we hear unlike guardian reader lefties." Yes, we're well aware you think it already. He didn't tell you what to think, he just managed to make it look a tiny bit more acceptable to say it in public. You can dress up 'common sense' all you like but I'd respect people more if they just admitted that it allows them to validate their prejudices and misunderstandings. No, you're not 'stupid' enough to believe all you hear. That's the issue, no matter what you hear, no matter what evidence exists, no matter how little difference any of these things make to your actual life, you hear what you want and it validates your current position. Which is fine. It's your political right to vote any way you want. And I wouldn't be so crass as to simply class everyone I don't agree with as 'stupid' like some do. | |||
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"Ukip are fear mongers peddling exaggerated stories of boogiemen to pander to ill-informed fears and prejudices. By dressing it up as acceptable policy they make it ok to 'dislike' your neighbour and blame all of society's ills on them. It's all part of one of the most wonderfully successful depressing divide-and-rule games of all time. They spend all their time telling us to fear immigrants who are here to take all our money, and whip everyone into a frenzy of fear and hate, so that our eyes aren't on the relevant targets. We lose far more money every year from the top few percent in society creaming off millions to maintain their lavish lifestyles than we ever do handling out a few thousands to immigrant families. We're a nation of immigrants, few of us have 'pure' blood, we've benefitted from influx after influx of foreigners, and continue to show a profit and benefit from our immigrants, yet we scream and shout about it as if it's all terrible, when the reality is it has almost zero impact on our lives, or often has a positive impact. And Ukip are just the smartest incarnation of this politic of fears. A bunch of failed, fringe Tories who were too loon for that party got together to find a new way of maintaining their noses in the trough. They bought donkey jackets, went down the pub for a pint, and conned you that they were just one of you, just looking out for your job and your culture. If it all wasn't so ugly it would just be a wee bit sad. we don't need nigel farage to tell us how to think because we think it already, we are just glad to have someone who thinks the same way, someone with some common sense not like the other pussy boys. ukip voters aren't that stupid to believe everything we hear unlike guardian reader lefties." That would be funny if it wasn't so terribly sad and uninformed. | |||
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"Ukip are fear mongers peddling exaggerated stories of boogiemen to pander to ill-informed fears and prejudices. By dressing it up as acceptable policy they make it ok to 'dislike' your neighbour and blame all of society's ills on them. It's all part of one of the most wonderfully successful depressing divide-and-rule games of all time. They spend all their time telling us to fear immigrants who are here to take all our money, and whip everyone into a frenzy of fear and hate, so that our eyes aren't on the relevant targets. We lose far more money every year from the top few percent in society creaming off millions to maintain their lavish lifestyles than we ever do handling out a few thousands to immigrant families. We're a nation of immigrants, few of us have 'pure' blood, we've benefitted from influx after influx of foreigners, and continue to show a profit and benefit from our immigrants, yet we scream and shout about it as if it's all terrible, when the reality is it has almost zero impact on our lives, or often has a positive impact. And Ukip are just the smartest incarnation of this politic of fears. A bunch of failed, fringe Tories who were too loon for that party got together to find a new way of maintaining their noses in the trough. They bought donkey jackets, went down the pub for a pint, and conned you that they were just one of you, just looking out for your job and your culture. If it all wasn't so ugly it would just be a wee bit sad. we don't need nigel farage to tell us how to think because we think it already, we are just glad to have someone who thinks the same way, someone with some common sense not like the other pussy boys. ukip voters aren't that stupid to believe everything we hear unlike guardian reader lefties." | |||
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"How many of the farage lovers have takeaways go in taxis go to shops where immigrants work I bet vast majority so case of if you believe the immigrants are all bad do not use anything they supply otherwise smacks of double standards. Lets sah folk fall for the Farage shit in entirety and we shut up shop not allowing folk into country wont be long before others follow suit therefore stopping folk emigrating or to work elsewhere some just need to take blinkers off. To me more of concern is that Farage wants rid of minimum wage and reducing workers rights which are basic as it is so much for man of the working folk he is just man for the rich no better than Conservatives. If using immigration as be all and end all of uk probs folk need to get real. Yes of course there are some problems but think If Farage dislikes foreigners so much then why does he have a German wife? No one has ever said UKIP will stop all immigration, its just plain nonsense to suggest they would. Its just a matter of having better control over it than the current open door and let anybody in policy that the Lib/Lab/Con all seem to adopt. " Do no let fact get in way of your fiction ovdr last few years its more difficult for immigrants thats not to say more cannot be done the problem is nowt near as bad as portrayed by press and ukip deluded followers would like folk to believe. | |||
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"Sadly I think its necessary to have them to break up the cosy system though some of their policies leave much to be desired. "Doesn't matter who you vote for though, nobodys perfect. You like some things but not others. | |||
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"I hardly think mr farage can be compared to hitler, nor his views. why is the hitler card played at all immigration discussions? "Well said. | |||
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"Does anyone remember a guy called Hitler he did well out of racial scaremongery and propaganda too.Is that what we really want in this country." No ! But we wouldn't want Stalin Either ! And Yes I am saying he was just as bad ! | |||
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" we don't need nigel farage to tell us how to think because we think it already, we are just glad to have someone who thinks the same way, someone with some common sense not like the other pussy boys. ukip voters aren't that stupid to believe everything we hear unlike guardian reader lefties. Yes, we're well aware you think it already. He didn't tell you what to think, he just managed to make it look a tiny bit more acceptable to say it in public. You can dress up 'common sense' all you like but I'd respect people more if they just admitted that it allows them to validate their prejudices and misunderstandings. No, you're not 'stupid' enough to believe all you hear. That's the issue, no matter what you hear, no matter what evidence exists, no matter how little difference any of these things make to your actual life, you hear what you want and it validates your current position. Which is fine. It's your political right to vote any way you want. And I wouldn't be so crass as to simply class everyone I don't agree with as 'stupid' like some do." this.. | |||
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"There are those that think the UK is loosing its national identity..ie what is British and its values..easy to say its a lot of blazer wearing old farts..but lots of working class people think he has a point...not to be dismissed..and I'm sure he wouldnt ban fabswingers ??" There are a lot of people who believe that Britain is losing its identity but I wonder what people feel that identity is and what their part is in maintaining it. | |||
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