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Equality - what's that
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"We get a lot of single guy bashing threads, or so they tell us. But equality lives We have one thread running where a woman is (quite rightly) pleased to have found herself a 19 yr old TOYBOY. Almost every reply is wishing her the best of fun with a rampant "go on my son" No mention of his tender 19 years being here on a swingers site. Then we have an 18 year old single fem asking for some advice and at least two people have condemned her for even being on the site, too young, get off the site is the cry. Is this the 21st Century, are women equal, do we have binge drinking women, ladettes and liberated women who can make thier own minds up or is it like gravity and just a myth ? BTW .... gravity is a myth - the earth sucks "rightly said hun, this site is still male oriented. Up the revolution yaaaay! xxxxx | |||
"In all honesty if i think back to when i was 18/19 I wasn't ready for sex in a loving relationship nevermind what psychological issues come with swinging. From my own experience I think 25 is the earliest age to be swinging. I was a late bloomer and am making up for it now! lol" takes some effort to understand that subliminal moral coding and even then it seems we are limiting youngsters. Good luck to them as long as they stay safe.  | |||
"Is that for males or females or both Isnt that what swinging is, sexual experimentation without the tangles of love and relationships and therefore isn't the safe environment of swingers clubs a great place to learn instead of the drug, fight, spiked drink laden nightclubs of the town centres ? Isn't it good that younger people are now able to view sex without taking part in order to see what it's all about. Is it not a good thing that young people can learn from us old gits in a safe environment, where our experience is available in forums and clubs, how many vanilla youngsters going to nightclubs can ask those kind of questions of so many experienced older people ?" I never thought of it like that before Jed. I don't meet people who are younger than myself. This is simply because I've never once enjoyed sex with anyone younger than me. I'd never agree with them being advised to leave the site though. | |||
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"Is that for males or females or both Isnt that what swinging is, sexual experimentation without the tangles of love and relationships and therefore isn't the safe environment of swingers clubs a great place to learn instead of the drug, fight, spiked drink laden nightclubs of the town centres ? Isn't it good that younger people are now able to view sex without taking part in order to see what it's all about. Is it not a good thing that young people can learn from us old gits in a safe environment, where our experience is available in forums and clubs, how many vanilla youngsters going to nightclubs can ask those kind of questions of so many experienced older people ?" Totally agree with you there Jed we have met many younger than us people and many of them have the attitude they want to get all their shagging out of the way before starting a proper relationship, the only issue some of them have had is trying to give up swinging when they have found that special someone but then that can be a problem whatever your age  | |||
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"In all honesty if i think back to when i was 18/19 I wasn't ready for sex in a loving relationship nevermind what psychological issues come with swinging. From my own experience I think 25 is the earliest age to be swinging. I was a late bloomer and am making up for it now! lol takes some effort to understand that subliminal moral coding and even then it seems we are limiting youngsters. Good luck to them as long as they stay safe. "I agree when i think back to being 18/19 it was the psychological effects i couldnt cope with and often made the mistake of confusing lust with love. i think its great they can di-associate the two and realise that they are not mutually exclusive. as long as they are staying safe i say, but i'd say that regardless of age or gender | |||
"My father said to me : When you want to aquire a new skill, you have to read about it, ask about it, be shown if possible and then practice it. How can you fail to learn from people who have more experience than you ? How can you call fumbling in a dark car or doorway with someone who also doesn't have a clue, learning / growing up ? That precise fumbling and not getting the good experienced input can put some youngsters off sex for real! (How do people get hang-ups and inhibitions ?) I say that if a person, irrespective of their age or past experience, wants to learn what sex is about, then mixing with people who make it their "hobby" has got to be the way to go. Jane x" I think your right i know i am a better lover now then when i was in my 20s ,, If younger people feel thay would like to open there mind and body up to sex i feel its better with me then paying for a woman to shag them ... I am free .. X JO XX | |||
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"Equality? Man + Woman earn, Woman Spends = equality come on all you married guys should know that!!! "How about Man + Woman earn. Man gets 4 credit cards that woman doesn't know about racks up £40,000 of debt and Woman and kids loose their home while he goes off shagging a 20 yr old. Suggest you think before you make sweeping statements | |||
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"Apologies for last statement but makes my blood boil when people make statements like that. Men can be just as stupid about spending money as women can" Sorry I hit a raw nerve - if you look at the majority of my posts they are meant to be a little tongue in cheek. xx | |||
"Apologies for last statement but makes my blood boil when people make statements like that. Men can be just as stupid about spending money as women can Sorry I hit a raw nerve - if you look at the majority of my posts they are meant to be a little tongue in cheek. xx" No problem i probably over reacted anyway. | |||
"Equality? Man + Woman earn, Woman Spends = equality come on all you married guys should know that!!!
How about Man + Woman earn. Man gets 4 credit cards that woman doesn't know about racks up £40,000 of debt and Woman and kids loose their home while he goes off shagging a 20 yr old.
Suggest you think before you make sweeping statements"F*cking ell, and i thought my ex was bad but the debts he left me with were peanuts compared with that | |||
"Apologies for last statement but makes my blood boil when people make statements like that. Men can be just as stupid about spending money as women can Sorry I hit a raw nerve - if you look at the majority of my posts they are meant to be a little tongue in cheek. xx No problem i probably over reacted anyway. " Should say K and I have been married 33 years this year and have had ups and downs you get 'wrong-uns' both male and female | |||
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"I'm a strong believer that from an early age your sexual orientation is mapped out. Age to me is just a number. Becoming an adult is deemed by reaching 18 in most legal demographics. Therefore each to there own I'd say. Paddy xx" i never really understand the comment "age is a number"? Im 49, thats a number, 31 (the difference between me and an 18 yr old) is a number, 22 - my sons age, 24 - my daughters age, 25 - the age when anyone can drive a mazda, just illogical nonsense, so what does it mean? | |||
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"I'm a strong believer that from an early age your sexual orientation is mapped out. Age to me is just a number. Becoming an adult is deemed by reaching 18 in most legal demographics. Therefore each to there own I'd say. Paddy xx i never really understand the comment "age is a number"? Im 49, thats a number, 31 (the difference between me and an 18 yr old) is a number, 22 - my sons age, 24 - my daughters age, 25 - the age when anyone can drive a mazda, just illogical nonsense, so what does it mean?" I'm with you on that one! 
It's something people say when they are trying to please: along with "each to their own". | |||
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"I'm all for equality, and live and let live as are most people on this site. Unfortunately as a parent I can't help but think, would I have been so if my daughter or son had been using this site at 18? I think that's what runs through a lot of peoples heads, what we have done/seen ourselves and imagine our kids in those situations. It's not that we dis/approve of younger people being here. It's maybe them having the same knowledge as us and being afraid for them getting jaded with 'vanilla' sex at too early an age. I know that may come across as very double standards but, as I said, as a parent I have a subconscious desire for my children to live happily ever after in a monogamous relationship... it's not a feeling I can change or control. As such I tend to project those same feelings onto any young person in their late teens early twenties using this site. I don't condemn or condone them being here, I just cannot play with them myself. " Laine, you have expressed my thoughts exactly. Well said x | |||
"Why is it for years men have been having younger woman ,,, alot look at them think its fine ... but when its woman its not right ....... I think it fine look at modonna she out there having fun and looking good .. age to her dont come into it." Women have always been judged, but often we have been our own worst enemies. | |||
"I'm a strong believer that from an early age your sexual orientation is mapped out. Age to me is just a number. Becoming an adult is deemed by reaching 18 in most legal demographics. Therefore each to there own I'd say. Paddy xx i never really understand the comment "age is a number"? Im 49, thats a number, 31 (the difference between me and an 18 yr old) is a number, 22 - my sons age, 24 - my daughters age, 25 - the age when anyone can drive a mazda, just illogical nonsense, so what does it mean?" If no one knew or delcared their age then we would go on attraction only. Simples. | |||
"My father said to me : When you want to aquire a new skill, you have to read about it, ask about it, be shown if possible and then practice it. How can you fail to learn from people who have more experience than you ? How can you call fumbling in a dark car or doorway with someone who also doesn't have a clue, learning / growing up ? That precise fumbling and not getting the good experienced input can put some youngsters off sex for real! (How do people get hang-ups and inhibitions ?) I say that if a person, irrespective of their age or past experience, wants to learn what sex is about, then mixing with people who make it their "hobby" has got to be the way to go. Jane x" AND Historically this has always occurred. | |||
"Equality? Man + Woman earn, Woman Spends = equality come on all you married guys should know that!!! "How about woman leaves d*unk husband, husband grabs business she built. Woman moves on has own money and credit cards agogo and does not need a man who makes sexist jokes. Marriage can be whatever you wish to make it. | |||
"I'm a strong believer that from an early age your sexual orientation is mapped out. Age to me is just a number. Becoming an adult is deemed by reaching 18 in most legal demographics. Therefore each to there own I'd say. Paddy xx i never really understand the comment "age is a number"? Im 49, thats a number, 31 (the difference between me and an 18 yr old) is a number, 22 - my sons age, 24 - my daughters age, 25 - the age when anyone can drive a mazda, just illogical nonsense, so what does it mean? I'm with you on that one!
It's something people say when they are trying to please: along with "each to their own"."Dont forget the "i love older women" umm is that supposed to make me forget my values and jump into the sack with them | |||
"I'm a strong believer that from an early age your sexual orientation is mapped out. Age to me is just a number. Becoming an adult is deemed by reaching 18 in most legal demographics. Therefore each to there own I'd say. Paddy xx i never really understand the comment "age is a number"? Im 49, thats a number, 31 (the difference between me and an 18 yr old) is a number, 22 - my sons age, 24 - my daughters age, 25 - the age when anyone can drive a mazda, just illogical nonsense, so what does it mean? I'm with you on that one!
It's something people say when they are trying to please: along with "each to their own".
Dont forget the "i love older women" umm is that supposed to make me forget my values and jump into the sack with them "I guess it depends when and where it is said: Tell a 17 year old in a bar he is too young to be there and it is a relevant number. Tell a 48 year old man or woman that you find him/her attractive and she looks 38 and they will see it as a positive number Tell a 21 year old male he is too young for you and he will see it as a negative number Tell an 8 year old that they have severe arthritus or a 28 year old that they have altzhiemers and the number seems significant In swinging we seem to use the term "age is just a number" to imply that we are looking for mutual attraction regardless of age, to that end it is a good thing to say, ok some say people look younger to get into pants/knickers, but surely there must be some attraction for them to want to do that in the first place ? | |||
"I'm a strong believer that from an early age your sexual orientation is mapped out. Age to me is just a number. Becoming an adult is deemed by reaching 18 in most legal demographics. Therefore each to there own I'd say. Paddy xx i never really understand the comment "age is a number"? Im 49, thats a number, 31 (the difference between me and an 18 yr old) is a number, 22 - my sons age, 24 - my daughters age, 25 - the age when anyone can drive a mazda, just illogical nonsense, so what does it mean? I'm with you on that one!
It's something people say when they are trying to please: along with "each to their own".
Dont forget the "i love older women" umm is that supposed to make me forget my values and jump into the sack with them
I guess it depends when and where it is said:
Tell a 17 year old in a bar he is too young to be there and it is a relevant number.
Tell a 48 year old man or woman that you find him/her attractive and she looks 38 and they will see it as a positive number
Tell a 21 year old male he is too young for you and he will see it as a negative number
Tell an 8 year old that they have severe arthritus or a 28 year old that they have altzhiemers and the number seems significant
In swinging we seem to use the term "age is just a number" to imply that we are looking for mutual attraction regardless of age, to that end it is a good thing to say, ok some say people look younger to get into pants/knickers, but surely there must be some attraction for them to want to do that in the first place ?"People use "age is a number" ind the outside world but attraction thats exactly it, im not attracted to them because i dont want to be seen in public and have someone mistake them for one of my kids, thats just putting myself up for more bloody ridicule and as ive had that all my life, the hell would i do it on purpose. Ive also grown up with the thought that when i was 20ish i went out with 20ish, when i was 30ish i went out with 30ish, and so forth, ive never been out with anyone much younger than me at all and i dont want to. Im not attracted to them and quite frankly, i abhor the thought, they are also the biggest group to make snide comments and jokes about me, shows how shallow and immature they truly are. I dont see that a 20 yr old has the maturity of a 40 yr old, for example, because if the truth be known, a 20 yr old hasnt had the life of a 40 yr old, therefore a 40 yr old has to come down to their level and thinks they are mature when really they are not. I want someone my own intellectual equal, experience etc etec, young people are not. There ive said it, i despise younger vs older, i think its vile, i cant help it but as ive already said on here, each to his/her own. | |||
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"Equality? Man + Woman earn, Woman Spends = equality come on all you married guys should know that!!!
How about woman leaves d*unk husband, husband grabs business she built. Woman moves on has own money and credit cards agogo and does not need a man who makes sexist jokes. Marriage can be whatever you wish to make it."blimey there are some women on here who get very upset over a JOKE' please look at my other posts!!!!! please look at what I said BOTH earn I love women, been marrived 33 years and wouldn't be without K for anything in the world! | |||
"Equality? Man + Woman earn, Woman Spends = equality come on all you married guys should know that!!!
How about woman leaves d*unk husband, husband grabs business she built. Woman moves on has own money and credit cards agogo and does not need a man who makes sexist jokes. Marriage can be whatever you wish to make it.
blimey there are some women on here who get very upset over a JOKE' please look at my other posts!!!!! please look at what I said BOTH earn
I love women, been marrived 33 years and wouldn't be without K for anything in the world!"Some of us know that but just remember, some of us have had a very bad experience with a man and its left some very bitter women around, personally, i know all men aint alcoholic losers, nor cradle snatchers, money grabbers ummm hang on thats policitians
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"I travel a lot "hush you will have me blushing | |||
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hush you will have me blushing "oh I love a blushing lady xx | |||
"All of you who don't want to meet people much younger than yourselves are 100% right not to do so. Those of you who don't want to meet people old enough to be your parents or grand parents are 100% not to do so. The thread isn't about telling people that they should ignore thier own personal criteria, it is about people trying to impose that on others, say you don't want to meet X because they are too old or too young is perfectly acceptable, but those telling X he or she shouldn't be on this site because they are too young or too old is 100% wrong, it is thier choice. If everyone thought they were too young or too old nobody would meet them so it wouldn't be and issue anyway. Having an age criteria is healthy but some people have tried to impose thier own opinions and will by telling people they should not be swinging at thier age and should not be on the site and that was my point for the thread" Well ive re-read all the posts and aside from the mention of the married guys bit, i cant see anyone against anyone being on here, yes some of us have strong opinions to which you seem to feel that we have imposed our opinions on others, when really we havent, its an emotive subject that will get people saying how they feel, but equally we are not against anyone being on here because of their age, merely questioning their reasoning behind it. Dont forget that some of us are parents and some didnt mind the thought of their kids being here, others dont want it | |||
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"As I said in the first post the topic was brought up by comments in other threads over a period of time, at the moment there is a thread running where an 18year old girl has asked for advice, there are others similar, here is one reply to that thread I think I'm about to have a rant so if you're easily offended look away now. 18. Swinging. What has she got to look forward to? Get off the site, go to a club and flirt the night away in a skirt your mother would cringe at and too much eye make up. Hell fire, do I need to remind folk that she's only 2 years above the national age for consent. And she's on a bloody sex site. I know I'll get lots of 'oh leave her alone' comments after this but I don't care. I could cry for the young girls (and lads) on here that think watch a couple of porn movies and think they can re create that in their own lives. Go out. Get d*unk. Smoke in the back garden and eat a pack of polo mints so your parents won't smell it on you. Make friends at college. Get laid the usual way. Leave this stuff to the one's that fucked it all up first time round and need something a little extra to get them going! Whatever happened to innocence. Very sad " You've nothing to apologise for as its not offensive, its your opinion and you have every right to say it, and i agree. I was chatting to a guy on here, seemed okay, arranged to meet in Asda, alls well, then he said his daughter was coming down, could we change the time, not a problem says i, then i get a text "can my mate come, he's fit and genuine"!! Now at 49 im old and experienced enough to know not to meet them but is an 18 yr old? Whilst people think its safer on her, really it isnt any safer than the outside world, so to speak. From my experience on a social network type site, guys will lie about their age to chat young girls up, then what??? Luckily these idiots request friendship from women like me, and i report them, specially if they are like the guy today who is 34 but has friends as young as 13 on his list 
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"Equality? Man + Woman earn, Woman Spends = equality come on all you married guys should know that!!!
How about woman leaves d*unk husband, husband grabs business she built. Woman moves on has own money and credit cards agogo and does not need a man who makes sexist jokes. Marriage can be whatever you wish to make it.
blimey there are some women on here who get very upset over a JOKE' please look at my other posts!!!!! please look at what I said BOTH earn
I love women, been marrived 33 years and wouldn't be without K for anything in the world!"Well if you give it out, better be prepared ...... | |||
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"People use "age is a number" ind the outside world but attraction thats exactly it, im not attracted to them because i dont want to be seen in public and have someone mistake them for one of my kids, thats just putting myself up for more bloody ridicule and as ive had that all my life, the hell would i do it on purpose. Ive also grown up with the thought that when i was 20ish i went out with 20ish, when i was 30ish i went out with 30ish, and so forth, ive never been out with anyone much younger than me at all and i dont want to. Im not attracted to them and quite frankly, i abhor the thought, they are also the biggest group to make snide comments and jokes about me, shows how shallow and immature they truly are. I dont see that a 20 yr old has the maturity of a 40 yr old, for example, because if the truth be known, a 20 yr old hasnt had the life of a 40 yr old, therefore a 40 yr old has to come down to their level and thinks they are mature when really they are not. I want someone my own intellectual equal, experience etc etec, young people are not. There ive said it, i despise younger vs older, i think its vile, i cant help it but as ive already said on here, each to his/her own." time itself is a man made tool, so by that theory age really is irrelevant. i dont give a toss about someone judging me, unless i have to answer to them or unless i personally offend them. i find that no matter what i do or how i look, someone will think they have a right to comment/judge, so I will stick to pleasing myself first and foremost. as for experience, my nephew at the age of 19 is in the army and has done two tours of iraq, by comparisson his uncle, my brother in law, has lived in his home town all his life and wont even go abroad on holidays, has worked for the same retail firm since leaving school and has his life in a stagnant routine and my sister was and ih his first and only love...so who there has the most experience....??? | |||
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I've seen people saying they find it sad, myself included, and not wishing to play with them.
I don't have enough hours in the day to mind my own business let alone other peoples!
My preference is to play with people my own age, it says so on my profile.
Extremes in ages don't work for me: just wish the young that contact me wouldn't!  | |||
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"We all discriminate because we all choose who to play or not play with. The site has set basic ground rules which seem to be generally acceptable to all, if you don't like them go find another site with ones you do like. It is legal to have sex at 16." I think most people on here are happy with the 'set basic ground rules' of the site, I don't think that's in question. Equally choice is a basic right we all have and should protect, I don't think that is in question either. I do however believe that to 'condemn' an 18 year old for legally using this site is age discrimination. I choose not to meet young women, my choice may be seen as discriminatory, I don't agree, but I do think it's unfair to suggest people outside of my prefered age group should 'off doing other things'...... hey what do I know, just my opinion. | |||
