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Do single men know what straight means?
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I know this topic has been flogged to death on the forums but when is straight straight!
Had a message from a nice guy, with a nice profile, nice pics, looking to meet women, couples and TS's/TV's!!!
Am I missing something!!!
Consequently he removed it after I replied saying only looking for straight guys and not men who meet TV's/TS's!!!
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What I find irritating is men who describe themselves as straight but then have veris from TV/Ts etc, then fine, could have been a social or a cam, but wait! You go on the other persons veri and there we go 'yummy cock sucking session' so when I query this in a thread, they ignore me and remove the veri!!!
However, they can't remove my post where I quote stuff. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'd class TS as women. They have the mindset of being a woman and have changed their body to become one physically.
My own personal thoughts on gender is that it means nothing unless you want to create a baby, because you need a man and woman to make one. As for anything else, we have created stereotypes and given gender roles but they make no sense. You are who are by how you feel, no-one can define you and your body parts do not define or limit you in any way. |
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By *andWCouple
over a year ago
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"I'd class TS as women. They have the mindset of being a woman and have changed their body to become one physically.
My own personal thoughts on gender is that it means nothing unless you want to create a baby, because you need a man and woman to make one. As for anything else, we have created stereotypes and given gender roles but they make no sense. You are who are by how you feel, no-one can define you and your body parts do not define or limit you in any way. "
I was about to query something similar although not as eloquently as you have,
There was a thread on here yesterday about the best looking TV/TS girls and some mentioned were breathtakingly beautiful, with better boobs than I will ever have, now with that in mind I could see why a guy would still consider himself straight if he was attracted to them, apart from the obvious penis attached everything else is screaming hot lady. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think a lot of bi/tv/ts see it as a challenge to turn a straight guy. Some kind of ego trip. But im sorry your never truely turn a straight guy. Even if there married or straight etc on profile. Keep dreaming guys  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I questioned
A guy only last night on this ! two veri,s up both from tv,s
And I'm like your not straight it's clearly stating you f....d him
In his defence he did answer and not block
And just said oh I must be bi then
duh like most I must be missing something
And I'm also not against anyone bi or anything else I've met bi
but just don't say your straight !!
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
Veri's from TV/TS or men don't necessarily mean a guy is bi - the content has to be taken into account.
We know plenty who have met both socially and are happy to be verified by them - and why not?
Obviously if the content describes sex then that's different. But don't assume every very is a play veri ! 
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"Veri's from TV/TS or men don't necessarily mean a guy is bi - the content has to be taken into account.
We know plenty who have met both socially and are happy to be verified by them - and why not?
Obviously if the content describes sex then that's different. But don't assume every very is a play veri !
A"
So with that in mind do you think the person who wanted to meet tv's/ts's just wanted to go for a drink, and nothing more.....on a swingers site  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Veri's from TV/TS or men don't necessarily mean a guy is bi - the content has to be taken into account.
We know plenty who have met both socially and are happy to be verified by them - and why not?
Obviously if the content describes sex then that's different. But don't assume every very is a play veri !
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So with that in mind do you think the person who wanted to meet tv's/ts's just wanted to go for a drink, and nothing more.....on a swingers site "
It could have been a fab social. You you chat with a bi guy you cant catch it |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have always liked both men and women, and have had happy relationships and NSA sex with both - it took me a while to come to terms with it but now I happily admit that I enjoy both, but...
This is mostly a site for meeting straight people (there are better sites for gay men) and so, on here, it tends just to put off girls in my experience. I'd say a majority of girls. (Thank you those who accept it)
I decided it's best to be honest, but I can understand when guys aren't - being turned down by a bi woman because being a bi guy is disgusting or 'not just my thing' is just as hypocritical, if not more, as sleeping with a TV while claiming to be straight. |
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"Veri's from TV/TS or men don't necessarily mean a guy is bi - the content has to be taken into account.
We know plenty who have met both socially and are happy to be verified by them - and why not?
Obviously if the content describes sex then that's different. But don't assume every very is a play veri !
A
So with that in mind do you think the person who wanted to meet tv's/ts's just wanted to go for a drink, and nothing more.....on a swingers site
It could have been a fab social. You you chat with a bi guy you cant catch it "
Agreed, but I'm on about the fact it was on their profile that they want to meet tv's/ts's, surely they don't come to a swingers site to make friends!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'd class TS as women. They have the mindset of being a woman and have changed their body to become one physically.
My own personal thoughts on gender is that it means nothing unless you want to create a baby, because you need a man and woman to make one. As for anything else, we have created stereotypes and given gender roles but they make no sense. You are who are by how you feel, no-one can define you and your body parts do not define or limit you in any way.
I was about to query something similar although not as eloquently as you have,
There was a thread on here yesterday about the best looking TV/TS girls and some mentioned were breathtakingly beautiful, with better boobs than I will ever have, now with that in mind I could see why a guy would still consider himself straight if he was attracted to them, apart from the obvious penis attached everything else is screaming hot lady. "
I suppose if i wanted to be pedantic then being female is basically down to your chromosomes.
But yeah, your chromosomes do not define how you feel about yourself and how your personality or looks should be. |
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"Veri's from TV/TS or men don't necessarily mean a guy is bi - the content has to be taken into account.
We know plenty who have met both socially and are happy to be verified by them - and why not?
Obviously if the content describes sex then that's different. But don't assume
every very is a play veri !
A
So with that in mind do you think the
person who wanted to meet tv's/ts's just
wanted to go for a drink, and nothing
more.....on a swingers site "
Exactly, this is a swingers site which means for me and a lot of people, the social side is as important as the sex side and like I said earlier, a straight guy camming or social, fine, sex with a guy, then he's not straight. What I don't like is them hiding the veris so people can't make an informed choice. A lot of people say they only meet straight men - don't count on it! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm never entirely sure why people get so angry or 'irritated' by this. The person has verifications and friends for example who are not hidden so they aren't trying to trick anyone into anything.
It seems a little odd on something as allegedly open and liberal as a swinging site to desperately want to label everyone and to then get annoyed by the way someone else labels them self
For some, sexuality is cut and dry, black and white. For others it's much more complex and harder to define. If I'm totally honest, in 'real life' and 99% of the time I'm totally straight. But I come on here sometimes because I also have an attraction to tv/ts girls. Now that's a complex thing - for some it's unacceptable, for some it's natural, for some it makes you as gay as can be etc. I find it much more complicated than that.
I changed my profile from straight to bi a while ago because the label police made me feel I had to relabel. It probably instantly excluded me from being attractive to the women of most fancy a lot of the time, but had to accept that unfortunately much as I wish it wasn't the case! Women are amazing! Ha.
But I don't really ever feel I have the right to get angry or dictate someone else's self labelling or profile. As long as you're honest when you chat to people and give them info they feel they need to communicate with you then so be it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There are a lot of "straight" guys on fab who might fool themselves but certainly don't fool others.
There does not seem to be much in the way of grey areas to me. Transvestites are MEN and no amount of splitting hairs changes the fact that any sexual activity involving 2 men means that at the least they are bi.
I was laughing the other day at a very butch TV who insisted he was "only interested in meeting straight guys".
I have absolutely no problem with gay guys or bi guys who have enough dignity & confidence to describe themselves honestly. Good on them.
However I cannot feel any respect for people who cannot even be truthful even with themselves. |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
"Veri's from TV/TS or men don't necessarily mean a guy is bi - the content has to be taken into account.
We know plenty who have met both socially and are happy to be verified by them - and why not?
Obviously if the content describes sex then that's different. But don't assume every very is a play veri !
A
So with that in mind do you think the person who wanted to meet tv's/ts's just wanted to go for a drink, and nothing more.....on a swingers site
It could have been a fab social. You you chat with a bi guy you cant catch it
Agreed, but I'm on about the fact it was on their profile that they want to meet tv's/ts's, surely they don't come to a swingers site to make friends!!!"
If there was a way of saying we'd happily meet anyone at a club for a drink/chat - but not play? We'd gladly list all options.
I know what you're saying though - many won't be open about their sexuality primarily because they think it will work against them when looking to meet women and couples. Why they don't realise listing TV/TS will have the same effect I'm not sure.
But it doesn't worry us. Everything on a profile can be changed/adjusted to suit a target audience at a specific time. It's why most of our interactions are in clubs - you approach people with an open mind as there's no labels, written details or info to go on - just what you can see and talk to them about.
We've met many in clubs that on checking later have had 'no smokers', 'no bi/curious guys' and 'no tattoos' in their details.
People often write things that aren't always the case in face to face interactions.
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"I'm never entirely sure why people get so angry or 'irritated' by this. The person has verifications and friends for example who are not hidden so they aren't trying to trick anyone into anything.
It seems a little odd on something as allegedly open and liberal as a swinging site to desperately want to label everyone and to then get annoyed by the way someone else labels them self
For some, sexuality is cut and dry, black and white. For others it's much more complex and harder to define. If I'm totally honest, in 'real life' and 99% of the time I'm totally straight. But I come on here sometimes because I also have an attraction to tv/ts girls. Now that's a complex thing - for some it's unacceptable, for some it's natural, for some it makes you as gay as can be etc. I find it much more complicated than that.
I changed my profile from straight to bi a while ago because the label police made me feel I had to relabel. It probably instantly excluded me from being attractive to the women of most fancy a lot of the time, but had to accept that unfortunately much as I wish it wasn't the case! Women are amazing! Ha.
But I don't really ever feel I have the right to get angry or dictate someone else's self labelling or profile. As long as you're honest when you chat to people and give them info they feel they need to communicate with you then so be it. "
The person I was on about, as the op had no Veris and I didn't say that had.
Also I've not been angry about it, or dictated anything, just asked a question was all!
We don't label anyone, but we wanted to meet a straight man, not one who removes who he wants to meet after I've pointed it out, in the hope that it makes everything ok |
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By (user no longer on site)
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As long as a guy respects your boundaries we fail to see a problem ! We like to see a clear face pic and will generally read veris to get an idea about the guy to make our decision and who he has met does nt influence us
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"Veri's from TV/TS or men don't necessarily mean a guy is bi - the content has to be taken into account.
We know plenty who have met both socially and are happy to be verified by them - and why not?
Obviously if the content describes sex then that's different. But don't assume every very is a play veri !
A
So with that in mind do you think the person who wanted to meet tv's/ts's just wanted to go for a drink, and nothing more.....on a swingers site
It could have been a fab social. You you chat with a bi guy you cant catch it
Agreed, but I'm on about the fact it was on their profile that they want to meet tv's/ts's, surely they don't come to a swingers site to make friends!!!
If there was a way of saying we'd happily meet anyone at a club for a drink/chat - but not play? We'd gladly list all options.
I know what you're saying though - many won't be open about their sexuality primarily because they think it will work against them when looking to meet women and couples. Why they don't realise listing TV/TS will have the same effect I'm not sure.
But it doesn't worry us. Everything on a profile can be changed/adjusted to suit a target audience at a specific time. It's why most of our interactions are in clubs - you approach people with an open mind as there's no labels, written details or info to go on - just what you can see and talk to them about.
We've met many in clubs that on checking later have had 'no smokers', 'no bi/curious guys' and 'no tattoos' in their details.
People often write things that aren't always the case in face to face interactions.
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over a year ago
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"who cares,people can call themselves what they want,perhaps if society was more open minded no one would notice nor care."
If "straight" guys didn't write so often offering to suck my cock then maybe it wouldn't be an issue.
Its got bugger all to do with being open minded and everything to do with preferences. |
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By *adybee77Woman
over a year ago
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I decided it's best to be honest, but I can understand when guys aren't - being turned down by a bi woman because being a bi guy is disgusting or 'not just my thing' is just as hypocritical, if not more, as sleeping with a TV while claiming to be straight."
Well sign me up to the hypocrites club please. I'm a bi woman, I fancy men and women, but the thought of 2 men playing does not appeal to me at all. Its my health and my decision who to sleep with, and to me bi men are prone to risky behaviours (speaking from experience and the ones I do know)
And as for fab straight, some guys think it will get them more meets as if lying is an attractive trait as its usually more see through than 10 denier stockings!
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I questioned
A guy only last night on this ! two veri,s up both from tv,s
And I'm like your not straight it's clearly stating you f....d him
In his defence he did answer and not block
And just said oh I must be bi then
duh like most I must be missing something
And I'm also not against anyone bi or anything else I've met bi
but just don't say your straight !!
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surely you can fuck a tv and be straight, its the tv taking the cock, so he is the bi one  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Straight . Isn't that guys who fab erect cocks and say they want a guy to suck them because they are only letting it happen and not them doing the sucking |
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"who cares,people can call themselves what they want,perhaps if society was more open minded no one would notice nor care.
If "straight" guys didn't write so often offering to suck my cock then maybe it wouldn't be an issue.
Its got bugger all to do with being open minded and everything to do with preferences."
It is shocking the amount of offers I get from STRAIGHT guys who want to suck my cock. Somebody went as far as to suggest that my profile name was misleading. Straight my chin chin chin! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I am straight but enjoy shemale porn but wouldn't do anything sexual, what does that make me? lol.
Curious, methinks. "
Yes if ever it would be with a convincing one  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I really don't get it either.
I'm very black & white when it comes to.
sexuality on here.
There's an awful lot of openness and the like nowadays, with people not wanting to 'classify' their sexuality. I often think it's just -too- much. (Pansexual vs Bisexual etc...)
I totally respect someone who goes by that rule of thumb, even if I do find it a little too much, myself.
...back to Fab. I don't get it. Straight men fab my cock pics. Odd. No problem with a guy fabbing it (even if I don't swing that way) but if they tell me there straight but curious... I correct them
You are BI-CURIOUS.. Change your details.
It's more annoying than anything. Nobody wins - they're only denying it to themselves, too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Veri's from TV/TS or men don't necessarily mean a guy is bi - the content has to be taken into account.
We know plenty who have met both socially and are happy to be verified by them - and why not?
Obviously if the content describes sex then that's different. But don't assume every very is a play veri !
A"
the Content of the veri was sexual and I never assume if I'm curious I'll message as I did and ask
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's really not as clean cut as it sounds, I consider myself straight, I do nit find men attractive one bit, I'm a manly man that likes girlie girls, dresses, nails, hair, pretty make up and all the rest of the shit.
But some of those T Girls are mega hot, if I was in a group situation and one started to suck me off would I stop them? Probably not, would I enjoy it, yep! Does this make me gay or Bi, I don't personally think it does, I think it's the alpha male animal instinct coming out of me, but everyone's _iews will be different, and I respect them all. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I really don't get it either.
I'm very black & white when it comes to.
sexuality on here.
There's an awful lot of openness and the like nowadays, with people not wanting to 'classify' their sexuality. I often think it's just -too- much. (Pansexual vs Bisexual etc...)
I totally respect someone who goes by that rule of thumb, even if I do find it a little too much, myself.
...back to Fab. I don't get it. Straight men fab my cock pics. Odd. No problem with a guy fabbing it (even if I don't swing that way) but if they tell me there straight but curious... I correct them
You are BI-CURIOUS.. Change your details.
It's more annoying than anything. Nobody wins - they're only denying it to themselves, too."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I absolutely would have sex with, date, whateer with someone transgendered, and I consider myself straight.
For me, I'd use the word straight as a definition because I'm masculine and I'm attracted to femininity, not out of some homophobic insecurity about 'oh no! not the cock, I might catch the gay!!!'
So, yeah, I'd argue it's absolutely possible to have fun with someone who identifies as feminine and be straight. Gender is much, much more than just what's between your legs.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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i think it's fine if people put straight on their profile but still dabble in bi play from time to time. I (fem) am most certainly straight, as I don't desire play with women, but I have enjoyed bi sex in the spur of the moment. Straight defines my desires, not my limits. |
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I consider myself straight. I have never fancied another man and think our bodies aren't the best looking things on the planet. Where as the female form is fantastic and there's nothing better to look at.
However, when we are playing and I am turned on, I will quite happily play with another man and be played with in whatever way feels good at the time. So I am listed as bisexual on our profile.
I have no inclination to meet with another man on my own, but it has brought a whole new dimension to our group play.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"who cares,people can call themselves what they want,perhaps if society was more open minded no one would notice nor care.
If "straight" guys didn't write so often offering to suck my cock then maybe it wouldn't be an issue.
Its got bugger all to do with being open minded and everything to do with preferences."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A TS can be a woman born into a mans body so she would be looking for straight men, not gay men who fancy men but don't like women."
gay men don't find ts's sexually attractive,thats a fact.
bi guys n straight guys do,thats my experience
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A TS can be a woman born into a mans body so she would be looking for straight men, not gay men who fancy men but don't like women.
gay men don't find ts's sexually attractive,thats a fact.
bi guys n straight guys do,thats my experience
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"labels are for jam....
some more fruity than others..."
Does it really matter how people do/don't label themselves. If you want to play with them do, if you don't want to play with them don't - it really is that simple!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I absolutely would have sex with, date, whateer with someone transgendered, and I consider myself straight.
For me, I'd use the word straight as a definition because I'm masculine and I'm attracted to femininity, not out of some homophobic insecurity about 'oh no! not the cock, I might catch the gay!!!'
Well said.
Also people on here need to educate themselves and stop putting tvs and ts's into the same category (yes fabs fault I know).
If a guy meets a tv then yes hes probably considered bi because a tv is somone that still lives part of their life as a male.
Ts on the other hand are people that from very young age always felt they was born in wrong body and feel their soul is female and they take measures to become more feminine I.e hormones, operations ect and live their lifes asa female 24/7.
So if a guy has met a TS and says hes straight on his profile its because he IS straight.
not his fault that fab make it so if somones met a TS that they also get the tv/ts tag with it, which just confuses everyone.
fab needs to give them seperate labels because TS I would class as women.
So, yeah, I'd argue it's absolutely possible to have fun with someone who identifies as feminine and be straight. Gender is much, much more than just what's between your legs.
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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"labels are for jam....
some more fruity than others...
Does it really matter how people do/don't label themselves. If you want to play with them do, if you don't want to play with them don't - it really is that simple!! "
probably, as there are a million threads on this subject, so I think how others label themselves seems to be important to many.... |
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It's something I've never understood. Why guys can't accept they are BI sexual if they play with a guy. I have seen hundreds of profiles on here saying 'straight' but have many verifications from TV's stating what a wonderful time they had and so on.
In my eyes.. If a man meets and plays with a man = BI sexual
A TV is a guy... So if a man penetrates a TV = BI sexual.
This site is full of openness but just be honest with your self.... And for gods sake respect those who are not interested in bi men...but that's another thread I guess.
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"It's something I've never understood. Why guys can't accept they are BI sexual if they play with a guy. I have seen hundreds of profiles on here saying 'straight' but have many verifications from TV's stating what a wonderful time they had and so on.
In my eyes.. If a man meets and plays with a man = BI sexual
A TV is a guy... So if a man penetrates a TV = BI sexual.
This site is full of openness but just be honest with your self.... And for gods sake respect those who are not interested in bi men...but that's another thread I guess.
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And what if he doesn't "penetrate" the TV but does everything else apart from penetrative sex? |
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"It's something I've never understood. Why guys can't accept they are BI sexual if they play with a guy. I have seen hundreds of profiles on here saying 'straight' but have many verifications from TV's stating what a wonderful time they had and so on.
In my eyes.. If a man meets and plays with a man = BI sexual
A TV is a guy... So if a man penetrates a TV = BI sexual.
This site is full of openness but just be honest with your self.... And for gods sake respect those who are not interested in bi men...but that's another thread I guess.
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Good grief would one not electrocute ones self penetrating a television  |
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"It's something I've never understood. Why guys can't accept they are BI sexual if they play with a guy. I have seen hundreds of profiles on here saying 'straight' but have many verifications from TV's stating what a wonderful time they had and so on.
In my eyes.. If a man meets and plays with a man = BI sexual
A TV is a guy... So if a man penetrates a TV = BI sexual.
This site is full of openness but just be honest with your self.... And for gods sake respect those who are not interested in bi men...but that's another thread I guess.
Good grief would one not electrocute ones self penetrating a television "
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"It's something I've never understood. Why guys can't accept they are BI sexual if they play with a guy. I have seen hundreds of profiles on here saying 'straight' but have many verifications from TV's stating what a wonderful time they had and so on.
In my eyes.. If a man meets and plays with a man = BI sexual
A TV is a guy... So if a man penetrates a TV = BI sexual.
This site is full of openness but just be honest with your self.... And for gods sake respect those who are not interested in bi men...but that's another thread I guess.
And what if he doesn't "penetrate" the TV but does everything else apart from penetrative sex?"
In my eyes... He's still bi. |
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By *exine xCouple
over a year ago
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Single guys generally find it bloody hard going on here!
If they were honest in their profiles and stated openly that they were bi or bi curious then they would stand more chance of meeting a like minded couple like ourselves instead of being out there competing with all the other "straight" guys.
However, we can see why they do it. It's the very sad stigma of being a bi male and the fear of some straight guys in couples who think that if they play with a bi male in a MMF situation, that they are going to get molested by the said male.
But each to their own. If this Swinging lark was easy then everyone would be doing it! Lol.
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"It's something I've never understood. Why guys can't accept they are BI sexual if they play with a guy. I have seen hundreds of profiles on here saying 'straight' but have many verifications from TV's stating what a wonderful time they had and so on.
In my eyes.. If a man meets and plays with a man = BI sexual
A TV is a guy... So if a man penetrates a TV = BI sexual.
This site is full of openness but just be honest with your self.... And for gods sake respect those who are not interested in bi men...but that's another thread I guess.
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you mention TV'S but what of TS'S there totally different from TV's? |
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"I'd class TS as women. They have the mindset of being a woman and have changed their body to become one physically.
My own personal thoughts on gender is that it means nothing unless you want to create a baby, because you need a man and woman to make one. As for anything else, we have created stereotypes and given gender roles but they make no sense. You are who are by how you feel, no-one can define you and your body parts do not define or limit you in any way. "
^^^^ THIS !! ^^^^
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"I have always liked both men and women, and have had happy relationships and NSA sex with both - it took me a while to come to terms with it but now I happily admit that I enjoy both, but...
This is mostly a site for meeting straight people (there are better sites for gay men) and so, on here, it tends just to put off girls in my experience. I'd say a majority of girls. (Thank you those who accept it)
I decided it's best to be honest, but I can understand when guys aren't - being turned down by a bi woman because being a bi guy is disgusting or 'not just my thing' is just as hypocritical, if not more, as sleeping with a TV while claiming to be straight."
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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I have had almost every kind of sex with bi-men, straight men, a TV, couples, bi-women, lesbians and had a strap-on sex with women every which way and intend to use a strap-on on a guy (don't know how he classifies himself and neither do I care)
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"It's something I've never understood. Why guys can't accept they are BI sexual if they play with a guy. I have seen hundreds of profiles on here saying 'straight' but have many verifications from TV's stating what a wonderful time they had and so on.
In my eyes.. If a man meets and plays with a man = BI sexual
A TV is a guy... So if a man penetrates a TV = BI sexual.
This site is full of openness but just be honest with your self.... And for gods sake respect those who are not interested in bi men...but that's another thread I guess.
you mention TV'S but what of TS'S there totally different from TV's?"
A TV is usually a man dressed as a woman...
A TS can be of 2 things... Pre op is still a man. Often op I would class as a woman.
Again only my _iew. I have no issue with men being bi..although it's not for me... Just be honest and don't be scared of admitting it. |
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"It's something I've never understood. Why guys can't accept they are BI sexual if they play with a guy. I have seen hundreds of profiles on here saying 'straight' but have many verifications from TV's stating what a wonderful time they had and so on.
In my eyes.. If a man meets and plays with a man = BI sexual
A TV is a guy... So if a man penetrates a TV = BI sexual.
This site is full of openness but just be honest with your self.... And for gods sake respect those who are not interested in bi men...but that's another thread I guess.
you mention TV'S but what of TS'S there totally different from TV's?
A TV is usually a man dressed as a woman...
A TS can be of 2 things... Pre op is still a man. Often op I would class as a woman.
Again only my _iew. I have no issue with men being bi..although it's not for me... Just be honest and don't be scared of admitting it."
*after op* ..... Not often. Stupid iPad. |
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I think this comes down, in large part, to societal conditioning, perception and prejudice.
If a woman puts bi on their profile society has conditioned us to see it as pretty normal. Indeed, to be an automatic turn on, and widens their 'pool' of prospective meets.
If a guy puts it, society tells us it is wrong, dirty, shameful and to be kept secret. And it radically diminishes their prospective 'pool' to a pretty tiny audience.
It's really easy for others to say 'just be honest' and get a bit preachy about it, but I'm really not sure they're actually comparing like with like.
I'll be honest. I prefer women. A lot. But I also have a preference for a very specific, narrow other type. I don't think of myself as bi at all (and I know plenty will want to tell me how wrong I am!) but I put it after almost feeling peer pressured into 'honesty'.
I'm still not overly comfortable with the demand for 'honesty' which is inaccurate and merely another way of pigeonholing, labelling and narrowing. |
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"I know this topic has been flogged to death on the forums but when is straight straight!
Had a message from a nice guy, with a nice profile, nice pics, looking to meet women, couples and TS's/TV's!!!
Am I missing something!!!
Consequently he removed it after I replied saying only looking for straight guys and not men who meet TV's/TS's!!!
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I used to dislike mushrooms now I love 'em.
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I think there has to be a level of acceptance from the individual involved to call themselves bi. I know when i had my first several bi experiences i was ashamed of myself and told myself i was straight and just needed to try these things. When i kept 'trying' them i realised actually i was bi and that acceptance made my life much easier.
If a guy doesn't feel himself to be bi, why judge him because he has a liking for girls, in his mind it is a woman and in her mind so is she, thats the roles they play let them enjoy it |
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"I have always liked both men and women, and have had happy relationships and NSA sex with both - it took me a while to come to terms with it but now I happily admit that I enjoy both, but...
This is mostly a site for meeting straight people (there are better sites for gay men) and so, on here, it tends just to put off girls in my experience. I'd say a majority of girls. (Thank you those who accept it)
I decided it's best to be honest, but I can understand when guys aren't - being turned down by a bi woman because being a bi guy is disgusting or 'not just my thing' is just as hypocritical, if not more, as sleeping with a TV while claiming to be straight."
I like women and am bi
But dont like two guys together and its my CHOICE to reject such people |
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over a year ago
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"labels are for jam....
some more fruity than others...
Does it really matter how people do/don't label themselves. If you want to play with them do, if you don't want to play with them don't - it really is that simple!!
probably, as there are a million threads on this subject, so I think how others label themselves seems to be important to many...."
Then I'm glad I'm not one of the many |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's something I've never understood. Why guys can't accept they are BI sexual if they play with a guy. I have seen hundreds of profiles on here saying 'straight' but have many verifications from TV's stating what a wonderful time they had and so on.
In my eyes.. If a man meets and plays with a man = BI sexual
A TV is a guy... So if a man penetrates a TV = BI sexual.
This site is full of openness but just be honest with your self.... And for gods sake respect those who are not interested in bi men...but that's another thread I guess.
you mention TV'S but what of TS'S there totally different from TV's?
A TV is usually a man dressed as a woman...
A TS can be of 2 things... Pre op is still a man. Often op I would class as a woman.
Again only my _iew. I have no issue with men being bi..although it's not for me... Just be honest and don't be scared of admitting it."
If yer talkin to me I can asure you im very open n honest bout who n what I am |
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I'm straight and i've got veris from all sorts of people (i think).
And to be honest - it's not my problem. To me that just demonstrates that someone is so closed minded that they jump to conclusions even before they got to know someone.
And in all fairness. You'd have thought that on a swinging site people would have been much more openminded and non judgemental but that just hasn't been the case (from what i've seen with many).
If someone has a problem with who met who with total disregard to whether it could have been a sexual or a social meet. That's just ignorance.
..and now to go off on a rant
I'd speak to anybody regardless of their gender or sexuality. Just because i'm speaking to someone doesn't necessarily mean i want to fuck 'em. You see a lot of that in the chatrooms - at socials or parties i'd speak to anyone too. Now that may lead to them writing me a verification.
How will people perceive those before reading them?
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By *tevelizCouple
over a year ago
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"I know this topic has been flogged to death on the forums but when is straight straight!
Had a message from a nice guy, with a nice profile, nice pics, looking to meet women, couples and TS's/TV's!!!
Am I missing something!!!
Consequently he removed it after I replied saying only looking for straight guys and not men who meet TV's/TS's!!!
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Omg this topic. Just stop being so judgemental. Let people be who they want to be. Most men into tgirls consider themselves straight because they aren't attracted by masculinity but by femininity no matter what form it comes in. And you'd be lying if you said that some of the tgirls on here aren't more fem and beautiful than some women... |
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By *MaleMan
over a year ago
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Imagine if whenever someone emailed someone that wasnt' for them for one reason or another we all came to the forums histrionic style
I've found focusing on those that appeal over dwelling on those that dont or wont works well |
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"I'm straight and i've got veris from all sorts of people (i think).
And to be honest - it's not my problem. To me that just demonstrates that someone is so closed minded that they jump to conclusions even before they got to know someone.
And in all fairness. You'd have thought that on a swinging site people would have been much more openminded and non judgemental but that just hasn't been the case (from what i've seen with many).
If someone has a problem with who met who with total disregard to whether it could have been a sexual or a social meet. That's just ignorance.
..and now to go off on a rant
I'd speak to anybody regardless of their gender or sexuality. Just because i'm speaking to someone doesn't necessarily mean i want to fuck 'em. You see a lot of that in the chatrooms - at socials or parties i'd speak to anyone too. Now that may lead to them writing me a verification.
How will people perceive those before reading them?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just to level the discussion, we're gay and we get women fabbing our pics and sometimes even messaging us
Imagine that !
We have to plump a few cushions and straighten the curtain tie backs just to re-enforce our sexuality sometimes |
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over a year ago
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of couyrse some of us do...do some married men know what straight is....I've known a few that werent so open about it.
STOP MAKING SINGLE MEN A FOCUS ON ANYTHING THATS UNLIKED
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"of couyrse some of us do...do some married men know what straight is....I've known a few that werent so open about it.
STOP MAKING SINGLE MEN A FOCUS ON ANYTHING THATS UNLIKED
oops..felt I should shout that..."
I agree with that Paddy
Not so much now, but when I was here on my own, I got quite a few offers from the male half of (meet verified) couples who fancied a bit of cock whilst the other half wasn't looking.
Some were listed as bi, the majority weren't.
I even had one guy say he'd love to touch some of the guys they played with as a couple, but he couldn't cos his wife was so homophobic. |
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"of couyrse some of us do...do some married men know what straight is....I've known a few that werent so open about it.
STOP MAKING SINGLE MEN A FOCUS ON ANYTHING THATS UNLIKED
oops..felt I should shout that...
I agree with that Paddy
Not so much now, but when I was here on my own, I got quite a few offers from the male half of (meet verified) couples who fancied a bit of cock whilst the other half wasn't looking.
Some were listed as bi, the majority weren't.
I even had one guy say he'd love to touch some of the guys they played with as a couple, but he couldn't cos his wife was so homophobic."
Just out of interest, do you reckon it happens much the other way round? Gay couples that have one half that's more bi than anything, try it on with a woman? Personally, I don't think so
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"of couyrse some of us do...do some married men know what straight is....I've known a few that werent so open about it.
STOP MAKING SINGLE MEN A FOCUS ON ANYTHING THATS UNLIKED
oops..felt I should shout that...
I agree with that Paddy
Not so much now, but when I was here on my own, I got quite a few offers from the male half of (meet verified) couples who fancied a bit of cock whilst the other half wasn't looking.
Some were listed as bi, the majority weren't.
I even had one guy say he'd love to touch some of the guys they played with as a couple, but he couldn't cos his wife was so homophobic.Just out of interest, do you reckon it happens much the other way round? Gay couples that have one half that's more bi than anything, try it on with a woman? Personally, I don't think so
Sarah x"
Maybe.
Anything is possible.
I can only speak from my experience though.
We have kind of discussed this as whilst I recognise I'm gay, my sexual history is somewhat diverse and I am one of those gays who isn't repulsed by the thought of touching a fanny (just some of them )
If at some point, we do decide to go down this road though, then it will be with both our knowledge and consent and, more importantly, with the understanding of those we were meeting. |
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"of couyrse some of us do...do some married men know what straight is....I've known a few that werent so open about it.
STOP MAKING SINGLE MEN A FOCUS ON ANYTHING THATS UNLIKED
oops..felt I should shout that...
I agree with that Paddy
Not so much now, but when I was here on my own, I got quite a few offers from the male half of (meet verified) couples who fancied a bit of cock whilst the other half wasn't looking.
Some were listed as bi, the majority weren't.
I even had one guy say he'd love to touch some of the guys they played with as a couple, but he couldn't cos his wife was so homophobic.Just out of interest, do you reckon it happens much the other way round? Gay couples that have one half that's more bi than anything, try it on with a woman? Personally, I don't think so
Sarah x
Maybe.
Anything is possible.
I can only speak from my experience though.
We have kind of discussed this as whilst I recognise I'm gay, my sexual history is somewhat diverse and I am one of those gays who isn't repulsed by the thought of touching a fanny (just some of them )
If at some point, we do decide to go down this road though, then it will be with both our knowledge and consent and, more importantly, with the understanding of those we were meeting."
Yes, sexuality (I think) is so transient. I, for one, am glad it is, because I've the best times ever, whilst involved in mmf with 'straight' guys. Seeing them do very not straight things. It's true what you say, things so much easier when open and above board.
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I am one of those guys and its purely, I love sex I don't walk down the road and look at men and think, I'd like to f*** him, but would I let him suck my cock, yes I would, would I suck and f*** him yes if I'm in that mood, it's how ever you personally define being bi, saying that I don't hide anything, if asked I'm honest and if I'm looking for a couple I think a bi couple could be more fun. |
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"I think a lot of bi/tv/ts see it as a challenge to turn a straight guy. Some kind of ego trip. But im sorry your never truely turn a straight guy. Even if there married or straight etc on profile. Keep dreaming guys "
I've talked to a lot of bi guys and not met one who gets a kick out of turning straight guys. |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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We have kind of discussed this as whilst I recognise I'm gay, my sexual history is somewhat diverse and I am one of those gays who isn't repulsed by the thought of touching a fanny (just some of them )
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Oh come on; come clean; you are a closet heterosexual |
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We have kind of discussed this as whilst I recognise I'm gay, my sexual history is somewhat diverse and I am one of those gays who isn't repulsed by the thought of touching a fanny (just some of them )
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Oh come on; come clean; you are a closet heterosexual "
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"Veri's from TV/TS or men don't necessarily mean a guy is bi - the content has to be taken into account.
We know plenty who have met both socially and are happy to be verified by them - and why not?
Obviously if the content describes sex then that's different. But don't assume every very is a play veri !
A"
I agree as i am straight but have veris from TinaTitz who i have met at several of the group socials on here. The written part of my profile text clearly says i'm only looking to meet women and couples for sex, but i may have non sexual veris from group socials i go to. There is a lot of moaning on this site that single men don't read profiles but i have had several couples mail me obvious they have not read my profile as they jump to wrong conclusions about my veris. |
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I decided it's best to be honest, but I can understand when guys aren't - being turned down by a bi woman because being a bi guy is disgusting or 'not just my thing' is just as hypocritical, if not more, as sleeping with a TV while claiming to be straight.
Well sign me up to the hypocrites club please. I'm a bi woman, I fancy men and women, but the thought of 2 men playing does not appeal to me at all. Its my health and my decision who to sleep with, and to me bi men are prone to risky behaviours (speaking from experience and the ones I do know)
And as for fab straight, some guys think it will get them more meets as if lying is an attractive trait as its usually more see through than 10 denier stockings!
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"I know this topic has been flogged to death on the forums but when is straight straight!
Had a message from a nice guy, with a nice profile, nice pics, looking to meet women, couples and TS's/TV's!!!
Am I missing something!!!
Consequently he removed it after I replied saying only looking for straight guys and not men who meet TV's/TS's!!!
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Whilst I get your point I think there are exceptions.
I don't meet at the moment but though I'm straight and would only meet women I am happy for anyone to talk to me, so my profile is open to anyone to see and contact me.
I also do photography and have done shoots for men, women, TV and ts.
So assuming a person's sexual orientation based on who the profile days they will "meet" is completely understandable but not always right. |
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"Imagine if whenever someone emailed someone that wasnt' for them for one reason or another we all came to the forums histrionic style
I've found focusing on those that appeal over dwelling on those that dont or wont works well "
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With regards to fabbing pictures, I will fab a pic if I think it is a good pic.
Or am I using fabs wrong? Are they really a filter dodging stealth wink?
I have no desire to dabble with a gentlemans parts but may well fab a decent picture if I think it is particularly good. |
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over a year ago
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"Veri's from TV/TS or men don't necessarily mean a guy is bi - the content has to be taken into account.
We know plenty who have met both socially and are happy to be verified by them - and why not?
Obviously if the content describes sex then that's different. But don't assume every very is a play veri !
A
I agree as i am straight but have veris from TinaTitz who i have met at several of the group socials on here. The written part of my profile text clearly says i'm only looking to meet women and couples for sex, but i may have non sexual veris from group socials i go to. There is a lot of moaning on this site that single men don't read profiles but i have had several couples mail me obvious they have not read my profile as they jump to wrong conclusions about my veris. "
Yes and if the people had read the actual verification, they'd see that it was just at a social, with no fuckery involved, as I always go out of my way to say this on non-sexual verifications. |
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"Veri's from TV/TS or men don't necessarily mean a guy is bi - the content has to be taken into account.
We know plenty who have met both socially and are happy to be verified by them - and why not?
Obviously if the content describes sex then that's different. But don't assume every very is a play veri !
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I agree as i am straight but have veris from TinaTitz who i have met at several of the group socials on here. The written part of my profile text clearly says i'm only looking to meet women and couples for sex, but i may have non sexual veris from group socials i go to. There is a lot of moaning on this site that single men don't read profiles but i have had several couples mail me obvious they have not read my profile as they jump to wrong conclusions about my veris.
Yes and if the people had read the actual verification, they'd see that it was just at a social, with no fuckery involved, as I always go out of my way to say this on non-sexual verifications. "
Lots of people don't even bother reading your status properly never mind your profile. |
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