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IS IT TIME FOR FAB SITE TO BECOME PAY SITE.
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I know alot of people will object to this move.let give credit to the team or webmasters who make this site a huge success. Personally making this site commercial will enhance and add many features to it.also out time wasters.
I know you can get premium service by becoming site support person.
is time fab become a coloured instead of black and white graphics.
I think yearly subscription of £30 is reasonable and affordable to most people's. Folks do you concur with me.? If not.what is your position? |
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"I know alot of people will object to this move.let give credit to the team or webmasters who make this site a huge success. Personally making this site commercial will enhance and add many features to it.also out time wasters.
I know you can get premium service by becoming site support person.
is time fab become a coloured instead of black and white graphics.
I think yearly subscription of £30 is reasonable and affordable to most people's. Folks do you concur with me.? If not.what is your position?"
we pay about that with site support which gets rid of ads. Filters and common sense out timewasters for us...
Just interested to know how you think it wil get rid of timewasters? |
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"I know alot of people will object to this move.let give credit to the team or webmasters who make this site a huge success. Personally making this site commercial will enhance and add many features to it.also out time wasters.
I know you can get premium service by becoming site support person.
is time fab become a coloured instead of black and white graphics.
I think yearly subscription of £30 is reasonable and affordable to most people's. Folks do you concur with me.? If not.what is your position?"
Why change it.
If its not broke leave well alone. |
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"I know alot of people will object to this move.let give credit to the team or webmasters who make this site a huge success. Personally making this site commercial will enhance and add many features to it.also out time wasters.
I know you can get premium service by becoming site support person.
is time fab become a coloured instead of black and white graphics.
I think yearly subscription of £30 is reasonable and affordable to most people's. Folks do you concur with me.? If not.what is your position?
Why change it.
If its not broke leave well alone. " |
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I think timewasters will pay as many get off on being chased &knowing they can pull, however many are too scared to do it.I used to belong to a site that charged &my feeling is their were even more timewasters on it.
Personally, i like the site as it is... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I pay gold which is 60 a year already.so paying 30 per year would be cheaper for everyone, giving everyone the benefits of gold member and more benefits for the timewasters, I dont think that would stop them |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Fabulous and free! How it should be...
I am happy to pay by phone rather than credit card as it is hardly a hardship. And with hackers about, I would rather not have my card details online.
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"I know alot of people will object to this move.let give credit to the team or webmasters who make this site a huge success. Personally making this site commercial will enhance and add many features to it.also out time wasters.
I know you can get premium service by becoming site support person.
is time fab become a coloured instead of black and white graphics.
I think yearly subscription of £30 is reasonable and affordable to most people's. Folks do you concur with me.? If not.what is your position?"
Sorry, but I don't quite see what extra features are needed or specific advantage would result from making Fab a pay site.
"Coloured instead of black and white graphics"? What's that all about?
As many have pointed out already, Gold members pay more than that in any case. |
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"I know alot of people will object to this move.let give credit to the team or webmasters who make this site a huge success. Personally making this site commercial will enhance and add many features to it.also out time wasters.
I know you can get premium service by becoming site support person.
is time fab become a coloured instead of black and white graphics.
I think yearly subscription of £30 is reasonable and affordable to most people's. Folks do you concur with me.? If not.what is your position?"
we are on local swingers which is very expensive for single guys,but there are still single guys willing to pay to be on there and be timewasters,just accept that timewasters and swinging go together like bacon and eggs or fish and chips,they are a fact of life if your a swinger! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think it works quite well altho Id make changes to make it harder for the chancers pic collectors etc" you can use your filters to block non site supporters, that way they'd have to be pretty hardened/desperate pic collectors to message you |
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We get alot of messages from accounts that disappear the next day stuff like that would stop with paid! People aren't going to create a profile spend a fiver and delete it the next day etc. Cam chat is open to all to see etc personally ( I don't know if these are in place) Id make it all messages can only be sent via a supporters profile all cams can only be viewed from supporters profile, and all pics public or not are supporters only, then anyone can use the forum to speak but not over pm |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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People will still pay just for the dirty chat and pictures lol
People do pay and it's just about ing through them yourself.
Personally I wouldn't pay it I already pay for the gold of whatever it is! lol x |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"We get alot of messages from accounts that disappear the next day stuff like that would stop with paid! People aren't going to create a profile spend a fiver and delete it the next day etc. Cam chat is open to all to see etc personally ( I don't know if these are in place) Id make it all messages can only be sent via a supporters profile all cams can only be viewed from supporters profile, and all pics public or not are supporters only, then anyone can use the forum to speak but not over pm"
A fiver? When they're pissed on a Friday night that's nothing.
Just block newbies and unverified members. Your problem will be solved and no cost involved!
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"I pay gold which is 60 a year already.so paying 30 per year would be cheaper for everyone, giving everyone the benefits of gold member and more benefits for the timewasters, I dont think that would stop them"
It would only be cheaper for gold supporters, not everyone.
Personally I think.the site works well as it is. Why change it? |
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"I know alot of people will object to this move.let give credit to the team or webmasters who make this site a huge success. Personally making this site commercial will enhance and add many features to it.also out time wasters.
I know you can get premium service by becoming site support person.
is time fab become a coloured instead of black and white graphics.
I think yearly subscription of £30 is reasonable and affordable to most people's. Folks do you concur with me.? If not.what is your position?"
What utter s**t. |
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"With the paying idea, it would minimise fake accounts!
How?
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I said minimise! Not totally stop them.
Like it was said above ppl wouldnt create 20 different accounts if paid.
At the moment its too easy. |
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By *om DawnCouple
over a year ago
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I'd like a site with just couples on it - there must be 75% single males on here. Before all the blokes jump all over us I know there is a place for them but maybe there's room for a couples only section ? - despite all the no single male statements they take no notice. We want to meet couples only. |
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"I'd like a site with just couples on it - there must be 75% single males on here. Before all the blokes jump all over us I know there is a place for them but maybe there's room for a couples only section ? - despite all the no single male statements they take no notice. We want to meet couples only. "
set your filters so no single guys can contact you and do the searching yourselves =) |
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"I'd like a site with just couples on it - there must be 75% single males on here. Before all the blokes jump all over us I know there is a place for them but maybe there's room for a couples only section ? - despite all the no single male statements they take no notice. We want to meet couples only. " Is blocking them through filters too hard for you to fathom? |
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"I know alot of people will object to this move.let give credit to the team or webmasters who make this site a huge success. Personally making this site commercial will enhance and add many features to it.also out time wasters.
I know you can get premium service by becoming site support person.
is time fab become a coloured instead of black and white graphics.
I think yearly subscription of £30 is reasonable and affordable to most people's. Folks do you concur with me.? If not.what is your position?"
Time wasters will always waste time.
What additional features do you think we need?
A new colour scheme or fancy graphics would be a gimmick that would just slow down the site for those of us who browse via mobile out in the sticks and struggle to get a steady signal.
Making credit card payments that appear on bills will put off those who wish to remain discreet about being on here.
It may also put off the curious people just setting off on their swinging journey.
I am sure that the majority of people started here as free members, took their time to see if it was for them before becoming site supporters. I understand there are running costs, but as a site set up by swingers, for swingers, surely the appeal is that it has remained true to that.
Filters can eliminate newbies and non supporters. Now if you think it is better to use credit card payment as a means of stopping single cheating guys... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We met 5 years ago on a sex site
Women were free to join
Blokes paid £40 per month
Deffo kept the 'rif raf' away lol
A much closer ratio of men to women because of it as opposed to the 10:1 (estimated) here.
But to answer the OP...no we wouldn't pay for this site
We are gold at the mo though, until it expires |
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"I pay gold which is 60 a year already.so paying 30 per year would be cheaper for everyone, giving everyone the benefits of gold member and more benefits for the timewasters, I dont think that would stop them
It would only be cheaper for gold supporters, not everyone.
Personally I think.the site works well as it is. Why change it? "
what I mean is im gold at the moment paying my 60 a year.if it became a 30 a year for everybody it would be with all the benefits of a gold supporter.
im happy paying the fiver straight of my phone it suits me, people can use the site for nothing,5 for 60 days or 5 for 30 days.its the sites encouragement for better options to suit the individual, im sure they make anough money or it would have turned into a more expensive site long time ago. |
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Rather than make it a pay site how about all members having to be photo verified within a certain time limit.
We get shed loads of emails from people who've been here 6 months/12 months, no veris and no pic verified.
I know a lot of members are meet verifies etc without having been photo verified, but I don't see the hardship in taking a pic of you both, with your username on it, and maybe make it mandatory to put the date it's taken on the bit of paper too, thus stopping those who steal people's veri photos (we've seen many profiles where people actually show there veri photos, which is open to them being copied and used to open a fake account)!!!!
I think it would a lot of the pretenders and single (actually married) peeps from being here!!! |
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"I know alot of people will object to this move.let give credit to the team or webmasters who make this site a huge success. Personally making this site commercial will enhance and add many features to it.also out time wasters.
I know you can get premium service by becoming site support person.
is time fab become a coloured instead of black and white graphics.
I think yearly subscription of £30 is reasonable and affordable to most people's. Folks do you concur with me.? If not.what is your position?"
is this post actually by george osbourne tweeting on the wrong site during the party conference???? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think it would a lot of the pretenders and single (actually married) peeps from being here!!!"
I am photo verified, genuine, verified and single (actually married).
Some people don't like that, I respect it. Some people don't like me, I live with that.
Maybe we need another sister site.
Fab guys
Fab flirts
Fab couples only
Fab cheating scumbags?
Fab I am not concerned about your personal circumstances I am here for fun?
Sorry, rant over
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"Rather than make it a pay site how about all members having to be photo verified within a certain time limit.
We get shed loads of emails from people who've been here 6 months/12 months, no veris and no pic verified.
I know a lot of members are meet verifies etc without having been photo verified, but I don't see the hardship in taking a pic of you both, with your username on it, and maybe make it mandatory to put the date it's taken on the bit of paper too, thus stopping those who steal people's veri photos (we've seen many profiles where people actually show there veri photos, which is open to them being copied and used to open a fake account)!!!!
I think it would a lot of the pretenders and single (actually married) peeps from being here!!!"
I'd prefer not to have a picture of me holding a piece of paper saying I'm on a swnging site on the internet thank you very much |
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"I know alot of people will object to this move.let give credit to the team or webmasters who make this site a huge success. Personally making this site commercial will enhance and add many features to it.also out time wasters.
I know you can get premium service by becoming site support person.
is time fab become a coloured instead of black and white graphics.
I think yearly subscription of £30 is reasonable and affordable to most people's. Folks do you concur with me.? If not.what is your position?
we are on local swingers which is very expensive for single guys,but there are still single guys willing to pay to be on there and be timewasters,just accept that timewasters and swinging go together like bacon and eggs or fish and chips,they are a fact of life if your a swinger!" its not just single guys im on there too my ex and i were on there on/off for years as we kept getting fed up of it ,i for 1 will leave if i have to pay as im not paying to READ/JOIN the forums |
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"Rather than make it a pay site how about all members having to be photo verified within a certain time limit.
We get shed loads of emails from people who've been here 6 months/12 months, no veris and no pic verified.
I know a lot of members are meet verifies etc without having been photo verified, but I don't see the hardship in taking a pic of you both, with your username on it, and maybe make it mandatory to put the date it's taken on the bit of paper too, thus stopping those who steal people's veri photos (we've seen many profiles where people actually show there veri photos, which is open to them being copied and used to open a fake account)!!!!
I think it would a lot of the pretenders and single (actually married) peeps from being here!!!
I'd prefer not to have a picture of me holding a piece of paper saying I'm on a swnging site on the internet thank you very much " lol same here |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Well here is an option...
We could have a feature to tag time wasters! Like verif but called "Timewaster"!
Then people could filter out timewasters!"
Ok so I have just tagged you as a time waster. How will people know who is lying? |
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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago
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Think we are conflicted on this one; we are already gold members and are happy to pay.
There are many things which are good and bad about this site but would making everybody pay really change things we suspect not. Agree that making somebody pay would stop the pop up profiles but they are easily blocked/ignored/filtered out with very little effort and as somebody earlier said the free status of the site allows people to try it .
When we were starting out last year this site attracted us because it was free/cheaper than others and so allowed us to dip our toe in the water, being asked to pay from the start would probably have put us off and we would have missed out on meeting some wonderful people and having a great time. |
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"Well here is an option...
We could have a feature to tag time wasters! Like verif but called "Timewaster"!
Then people could filter out timewasters!
Ok so I have just tagged you as a time waster. How will people know who is lying?"
Ok im not vicious enough to think of that. |
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"Well here is an option...
We could have a feature to tag time wasters! Like verif but called "Timewaster"!
Then people could filter out timewasters!"
Sounds simple but, hang on a minute... who would accept their timewasting-tagged veri and display it on their profile?! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The very fact that there is no pressure to become a paid member on here, is what attracted me to it.
I'm confident to say that many people also joined for the same reason. I will continue to be a site supporter but if pushed into anything in life, I usually reject it.
Again I'm confident to say that many people would do the same. |
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"Well here is an option...
We could have a feature to tag time wasters! Like verif but called "Timewaster"!
Then people could filter out timewasters!
Ok so I have just tagged you as a time waster. How will people know who is lying?
Ok im not vicious enough to think of that."
But you can see how open to abuse it could be. Some people would get rejected and do exactly that. |
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"Rather than make it a pay site how about all members having to be photo verified within a certain time limit.
We get shed loads of emails from people who've been here 6 months/12 months, no veris and no pic verified.
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There are alot of people with no photo verification who have many meet verifications, so doesn't mean a photo veri would make you anymore genuine.
Alot of people like me blocked non verified people, photo verified can get through the block, alot of us can see photo verified over a year are not really going to meet.
A person being a gold member doesn't make them anymore genuine than a non site supporter either as I have met alot of people that don't pay.as I said before I like it as it is maybe because I've only encountered one timewaster (got stood up) so I'm happy with it as it is
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By *av1970Man
over a year ago
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I pay for my silver membership; also there are just as many time wasters and dreamers on a £25-£30 a year membership site...I left those to come here as would rather pay a fiver and do the ing than £25 and still have to do it...big fat NO from me and go FABswingers Team, well done you |
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"Well here is an option...
We could have a feature to tag time wasters! Like verif but called "Timewaster"!
Then people could filter out timewasters!"
There are as many definitions for time wasters as there are users on the site...which one would you use for those potentially unsubstantiated malicious labellings because someone has different ideas what the site is for? |
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"I know alot of people will object to this move.let give credit to the team or webmasters who make this site a huge success. Personally making this site commercial will enhance and add many features to it.also out time wasters.
I know you can get premium service by becoming site support person.
is time fab become a coloured instead of black and white graphics.
I think yearly subscription of £30 is reasonable and affordable to most people's. Folks do you concur with me.? If not.what is your position?"
we already pay £60 a year (bloody good deal), so the site would be earning less, plus there will be waster and idiots on any site regards swinging. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Think we are conflicted on this one; we are already gold members and are happy to pay.
There are many things which are good and bad about this site but would making everybody pay really change things we suspect not. Agree that making somebody pay would stop the pop up profiles but they are easily blocked/ignored/filtered out with very little effort and as somebody earlier said the free status of the site allows people to try it .
When we were starting out last year this site attracted us because it was free/cheaper than others and so allowed us to dip our toe in the water, being asked to pay from the start would probably have put us off and we would have missed out on meeting some wonderful people and having a great time."
you make too much sense .... are you real or a figment of my imagination? |
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Thanks folks. I understand feelings is running high regarding paying for fab site..I know payment will not eliminate time waster completely.also profile filtration doesn't help much as well. Long live fab |
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"Rather than make it a pay site how about all members having to be photo verified within a certain time limit.
We get shed loads of emails from people who've been here 6 months/12 months, no veris and no pic verified.
I know a lot of members are meet verifies etc without having been photo verified, but I don't see the hardship in taking a pic of you both, with your username on it, and maybe make it mandatory to put the date it's taken on the bit of paper too, thus stopping those who steal people's veri photos (we've seen many profiles where people actually show there veri photos, which is open to them being copied and used to open a fake account)!!!!
I think it would a lot of the pretenders and single (actually married) peeps from being here!!!"
Or maybe just block unverified members from contacting you?
We will leave this site rather than get photo-verified |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I think that some people suggest this thinking it will eliminate some of the opposition and increase their chances.
But we know plenty of people who like ourselves are far from reliant on this site for meets. We'd leave if payment was mandatory (though we are site-supporters) simply because so few of our meets come directly from here. |
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"Rather than make it a pay site how about all members having to be photo verified within a certain time limit.
We get shed loads of emails from people who've been here 6 months/12 months, no veris and no pic verified.
I know a lot of members are meet verifies etc without having been photo verified, but I don't see the hardship in taking a pic of you both, with your username on it, and maybe make it mandatory to put the date it's taken on the bit of paper too, thus stopping those who steal people's veri photos (we've seen many profiles where people actually show there veri photos, which is open to them being copied and used to open a fake account)!!!!
I think it would a lot of the pretenders and single (actually married) peeps from being here!!!
Or maybe just block unverified members from contacting you?
We will leave this site rather than get photo-verified"
Yet you have face pics on your profile??
What's the difference?
Not arguing, as I don't do that, just don't see the difference!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Rather than make it a pay site how about all members having to be photo verified within a certain time limit.
We get shed loads of emails from people who've been here 6 months/12 months, no veris and no pic verified.
I know a lot of members are meet verifies etc without having been photo verified, but I don't see the hardship in taking a pic of you both, with your username on it, and maybe make it mandatory to put the date it's taken on the bit of paper too, thus stopping those who steal people's veri photos (we've seen many profiles where people actually show there veri photos, which is open to them being copied and used to open a fake account)!!!!
I think it would a lot of the pretenders and single (actually married) peeps from being here!!!
Or maybe just block unverified members from contacting you?
We will leave this site rather than get photo-verified
Yet you have face pics on your profile??
What's the difference?
Not arguing, as I don't do that, just don't see the difference!!!"
Because photo verification is utterly pointless in my opinion. And I'm too principled/stubborn do anything that I view as pointless. Plus a picture of me holding a piece of paper with the site name on it is potentially far more incriminating than anything we have on here |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I know alot of people will object to this move.let give credit to the team or webmasters who make this site a huge success. Personally making this site commercial will enhance and add many features to it.also out time wasters.
I know you can get premium service by becoming site support person.
is time fab become a coloured instead of black and white graphics.
I think yearly subscription of £30 is reasonable and affordable to most people's. Folks do you concur with me.? If not.what is your position?"
I don't agree that making a site p
I don't agree that making people pay eliminates time wasters
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By *habsMan
over a year ago
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"I know alot of people will object to this move.let give credit to the team or webmasters who make this site a huge success. Personally making this site commercial will enhance and add many features to it.also out time wasters.
I know you can get premium service by becoming site support person.
is time fab become a coloured instead of black and white graphics.
I think yearly subscription of £30 is reasonable and affordable to most people's. Folks do you concur with me.? If not.what is your position?"
A certain adult site charges (males) $180 a year with "guarantees to get laid", yet its full or time wasters and passport-seeking scam artists. Trust me, Fabs going commercial won't stop the time wasters. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Would the site respond to issues more promptly? Would reported pictures be dealt with? Would money go into services because currently its pointless contacting admin or reporting things right now. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yeah let's pay £30 a year to get ignored and blocked by morons. While the same old people sit around all day talking shit. No thanks. Think I'm back of to badoo |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think yearly subscription of £30 is reasonable and affordable to most people's. ...."
Yeah thats what we already pay!
We still get the hard of thinking Neanderthal element.
Has Admin put you up to this |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Leave things as they are please. This is the best site around for finding fun. We've been on some of the so called pay sites and haven't had a single meet off them.
You find people are too far away, Who wants contact form ho flung dung in inner mongolia for goodness sake. Others are up their own arses and people that faff around and never meet. They are also full of advertisments for cruises and stuff and you get bombarded with junk into your inbox.
No please leave fab alone. It is the best site on the internet. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The reason fabs has a lot of members is because it is free. Like you said there are many other pay sites out there so if you feel these provide the facilities you like why dont you pay membership to those sites and leave fabs?
Once you make membership fees compulsary the site will lose members with that you lose choice. Fabs is one site which is exclusively free and long may it remain so.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Pay sites have time wasters too !
One of the other sites i use is now a pay site (although i have been there so long im still a free member there) and there are still plenty of timewassters there
Also there are lots of people here simply cus it is a free site .... we dont want less choice lol |
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By *andm288Couple
over a year ago
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Just a thought !
Why not leave as is but new members must be site verified within say 14 days of joining ? Otherwise the site can remove their profile that may help deter time wasters ! Agree with previous post as well just use filters to block non verified users
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I know alot of people will object to this move.let give credit to the team or webmasters who make this site a huge success. Personally making this site commercial will enhance and add many features to it.also out time wasters.
I know you can get premium service by becoming site support person.
is time fab become a coloured instead of black and white graphics.
I think yearly subscription of £30 is reasonable and affordable to most people's. Folks do you concur with me.? If not.what is your position?
Why change it.
If its not broke leave well alone. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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Another site I am on has different rates, free with limited access, monthly fee, annual fee or lifetime membership. The lifetime membership was £50 five years ago. I think a lifetime membership set at £75 initially would work well. You should always keep the free option though as this does help to introduce new people. |
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"I know alot of people will object to this move.let give credit to the team or webmasters who make this site a huge success. Personally making this site commercial will enhance and add many features to it.also out time wasters.
I know you can get premium service by becoming site support person.
is time fab become a coloured instead of black and white graphics.
I think yearly subscription of £30 is reasonable and affordable to most people's. Folks do you concur with me.? If not.what is your position?
Why change it.
If its not broke leave well alone.
Amen to that "
When you look back in time there have been loads of times where trying to make things better have actually managed totally the opposite and ruined what was good about the thing before the change occurred ?
The way ahead is to leave the site alone and let individuals make blocking choices etc |
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"Yeah let's pay £30 a year to get ignored and blocked by morons. While the same old people sit around all day talking shit. No thanks. Think I'm back of to badoo " badoo is full of guys wanting sex on a first date its worse than a swing site ,been there so i know had an experience that left me terrified. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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To agree with a post above asking for people to become members may actually put new people off.
Many of the new members that come and go within a few days may not be timewasters. They may be curious about swinging find they dont like it and leave. However some may stay if you ask for fees upfront you eill lose members without a doubt |
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"Another site I am on has different rates, free with limited access, monthly fee, annual fee or lifetime membership. The lifetime membership was £50 five years ago. I think a lifetime membership set at £75 initially would work well. You should always keep the free option though as this does help to introduce new people."
why try to fix something that isnt broken. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The bit underneath says it all. Fun, free and fabulous.
It's what you make of it. If it adopts any of the so called paid for websites ways it will lose it's quirky charm and will lose my custom that's for sure.
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"Another site I am on has different rates, free with limited access, monthly fee, annual fee or lifetime membership. The lifetime membership was £50 five years ago. I think a lifetime membership set at £75 initially would work well. You should always keep the free option though as this does help to introduce new people.
why try to fix something that isnt broken."
What I mean is, the fee paying supporters, many of whom are long time members, should be given the option of a lifetime membership. It will be more expensive than a run of the mill monthy/annual membership but it is worth it. |
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