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If that's all they have going for them, then no.
I appreciate the work and effort it takes for them to get the physique they desire but if that's all that defines them as a person then I am not interested. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"If that's all they have going for them, then no.
I appreciate the work and effort it takes for them to get the physique they desire but if that's all that defines them as a person then I am not interested. "
Fair enough but I don't just mean that, training and gym is just a spare time activity, doesn't define there person at all |
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"If that's all they have going for them, then no.
I appreciate the work and effort it takes for them to get the physique they desire but if that's all that defines them as a person then I am not interested.
Fair enough but I don't just mean that, training and gym is just a spare time activity, doesn't define there person at all"
Maybe not yours but some that I have seen down the gym definitely act as though that's all they have to offer. |
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over a year ago
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I look at a person for who they are,not what they are.
If they keep themselves fit in the gym, for themselves that is all good for them for their own reasons.
I like people to be what they are.
Her |
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"If that's all they have going for them, then no.
I appreciate the work and effort it takes for them to get the physique they desire but if that's all that defines them as a person then I am not interested.
Fair enough but I don't just mean that, training and gym is just a spare time activity, doesn't define there person at all
Maybe not yours but some that I have seen down the gym definitely act as though that's all they have to offer. "
I know exactly what you mean but you encounter that in day to day life anyway, some people are just generally up there own arsses haha |
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"If that's all they have going for them, then no.
I appreciate the work and effort it takes for them to get the physique they desire but if that's all that defines them as a person then I am not interested. "
I agree. I can appreciate the effort and commitment but if it's all you can offer it's as dull and uninspiring as people who rely on their job (usually a soldier or fireman) as their primary selling point.
Plus to be blunt some body builder types are too egotistical and self obsessed for my liking (though I accept those traits aren't unique to them, they do seem more prevalent). |
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over a year ago
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I personally find gym fit people can be boring as they think that all they have to do is show a six pack and muscles and every one should throw their knickers or pants at them(this applies to m and f by the way). Vanity can be a very ugly trait.it is about who you are as a person not how many hours you spend in the gym..... |
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I visited Liverpool Ones gym twice, the place was soul destroying, the loose weight area wa full of sted heads flexing, was a gross sight, the rest of the place had the usual members doin their best to fight the fat, I can't go in a gym again, far too depressing for me and those he had pumped themselves up beyond the recommended psi suffered with vanity. ![](/icons/s/rolleyes.gif) |
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Mostly narcisists with insecurities and gay tendencies down the gym.
Or maybe I'm just too bone and knackered after a days work to get myself down there and thats my excuse ![](/icons/s/biggrin.gif) |
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"I feel quite bad for the op now
Op....your look is great, especially for such a young age. plus you play the right code. Just be more than what yuou can bench press or what ever "
He's probably down at kfc by now! ![](/icons/s/eek.gif) |
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"Looking to see how many people on here have a thing for guys who train alot, and are big in return ?? Any comments?"
Guilty as charged, make me feel really feminine x |
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"I am going to start a couch potato type of guy thread. Everyone will prefer guys who stay in shape.
It's all swings and roundabouts."
I now have an image of a Mr potato head playing in a kid's playground. Thank you Mr!! ![](/icons/s/mrgreen.gif) |
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"I am going to start a couch potato type of guy thread. Everyone will prefer guys who stay in shape.
It's all swings and roundabouts.
I now have an image of a Mr potato head playing in a kid's playground. Thank you Mr!! "
One potato two potato three potato four ![](/icons/s/biggrin.gif) |
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By *ozzy87Man
over a year ago
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I enjoy going to the gym and trying to keep in shape to the best of ability. There are those guys that spend way too much time at the gym but there are plenty of women at my gym that work hard as well.
I love it when a hot girl walks into the gym and the gym rats try to impress her and then she lifts more than they can. It makes them go all sheepish. Makes me chuckle. ![](/icons/s/mrgreen.gif) |
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"I am going to start a couch potato type of guy thread. Everyone will prefer guys who stay in shape.
It's all swings and roundabouts."
You won't be on it ![](/icons/s/mrgreen.gif) |
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"I feel quite bad for the op now
Op....your look is great, especially for such a young age. plus you play the right code. Just be more than what yuou can bench press or what ever
He's probably down at kfc by now! "
If he is I'll join him. Love a bit of finger licking good ![](/icons/s/2/cute.gif) |
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"I am going to start a couch potato type of guy thread. Everyone will prefer guys who stay in shape.
It's all swings and roundabouts.
You won't be on it "
I like swings so I might be lol. |
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"I am going to start a couch potato type of guy thread. Everyone will prefer guys who stay in shape.
It's all swings and roundabouts.
You won't be on it
I like swings so I might be lol."
What,those sex swings?? ![](/icons/s/razz.gif) |
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I go to the gym regularly, but my focus is on cardio to keep fit enough & burn off the extra calories.
I overheard a guy in the gym the other day say, "the only thing I'm committed to is the gym" which is, to me, a sad state of affairs. That was his response to a comment about a girl he was seeing. |
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"I feel quite bad for the op now
Op....your look is great, especially for such a young age. plus you play the right code. Just be more than what yuou can bench press or what ever
He's probably down at kfc by now!
If he is I'll join him. Love a bit of finger licking good " watch out for the zinger finger! ![](/icons/s/2/eh.gif) |
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Some of the stereotyping in this thread, especially from some guys, is pretty pathetic really.
Not ALL guys that go to the gym aren't steroids users, they aren't all insecure, they aren't all dick heads who are "sad"
Believe it or some of us like going because we like to stay in sharpe and keep fit. Some of use have degree's and a good job. Most of us are actually human.
If you go to the gym and are put off by people flexing their muscles then you need to rethink about where you are training. I've been to many gyms and everyone I've been to has been nothing like some of the crap I've read above. And believe it or not, if you actually treated the guys there like normal humans, you'd discover a wealth of incredible knowledge on nutrition and health, who are in fact all probably really nice people.
Rant over |
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Seems to me that they don't know what they are missing then, your profile is great, clearly an intelligent lady with great veris!!
If they are that shallow would you want to meet them? |
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Yes there is stereotyping...just like any body type thread.
I don't think all guys who work on theor physique are like this but in my experience the.ones that have just that in their arsenal are the ones who see their arse(nal) (see what I did there lol) when women don't fall at their feet, mouth open and waiting for their cock.
They think they can get any woman because they have a good body. The fact they are dull as ditch water plays no part in it for them.
I once had a very nice, ripped guy messaging me from Manchester begging me to go visit him. I was the most beautiful goddess he had ever seen until I suggested we met half way. That is the point where he said 'look at me, do you really think I need to travel that far yo fuck a fattie like you when I can get any woman I want up here?!' (not his exact words as it was years ago now) |
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"Some of the stereotyping in this thread, especially from some guys, is pretty pathetic really.
Not ALL guys that go to the gym aren't steroids users, they aren't all insecure, they aren't all dick heads who are "sad"
Believe it or some of us like going because we like to stay in sharpe and keep fit. Some of use have degree's and a good job. Most of us are actually human.
If you go to the gym and are put off by people flexing their muscles then you need to rethink about where you are training. I've been to many gyms and everyone I've been to has been nothing like some of the crap I've read above. And believe it or not, if you actually treated the guys there like normal humans, you'd discover a wealth of incredible knowledge on nutrition and health, who are in fact all probably really nice people.
Rant over " ![](/icons/thumb_up.png) |
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"Looking to see how many people on here have a thing for guys who train alot, and are big in return ?? Any comments?"
I do, I do! For lots of reasons but mostly because I find them attractive - if they have a pretty face too anyway.
I've learned not to make comments about other people's opinions of gym guys/girls. Always ends badly ![](/icons/s/2/cute.gif) |
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"Some of the stereotyping in this thread, especially from some guys, is pretty pathetic really.
Not ALL guys that go to the gym aren't steroids users, they aren't all insecure, they aren't all dick heads who are "sad"
Believe it or some of us like going because we like to stay in sharpe and keep fit. Some of use have degree's and a good job. Most of us are actually human.
If you go to the gym and are put off by people flexing their muscles then you need to rethink about where you are training. I've been to many gyms and everyone I've been to has been nothing like some of the crap I've read above. And believe it or not, if you actually treated the guys there like normal humans, you'd discover a wealth of incredible knowledge on nutrition and health, who are in fact all probably really nice people.
Rant over "
Well said
I'm not a super muscular guy, but I enjoy staying in shape for me, not because I think I'm god's gift or anything. Lifting weights is actually really good for you. |
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"If that's all they have going for them, then no.
I appreciate the work and effort it takes for them to get the physique they desire but if that's all that defines them as a person then I am not interested. "
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"Some of the stereotyping in this thread, especially from some guys, is pretty pathetic really.
Not ALL guys that go to the gym aren't steroids users, they aren't all insecure, they aren't all dick heads who are "sad"
Believe it or some of us like going because we like to stay in sharpe and keep fit. Some of use have degree's and a good job. Most of us are actually human.
If you go to the gym and are put off by people flexing their muscles then you need to rethink about where you are training. I've been to many gyms and everyone I've been to has been nothing like some of the crap I've read above. And believe it or not, if you actually treated the guys there like normal humans, you'd discover a wealth of incredible knowledge on nutrition and health, who are in fact all probably really nice people.
Rant over "
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"If that's all they have going for them, then no.
I appreciate the work and effort it takes for them to get the physique they desire but if that's all that defines them as a person then I am not interested. "
This!!! ![](/icons/thumb_up.png) |
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"Believe it or some of us like going because we like to stay in sharpe and keep fit."
I fail to see what the tv show that launched Sean Beans career has to do with this thread?
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But seriously yes, all the stereotyping and anti-gym goer sentiment on this thread is more than slightly pathetic. |
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I was going to join a gym to get buff but now I dunno.
been short id hate to be seen as a guy who goes to the gym to just make up for my hight.
but I can agree here a few guys at work are all gym buffs. and they love them selfs and think they are god gift life others have said. |
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We both go to the nearly every day and don't think we're gods gift, we have insecurities as every body else does.
These opinions annoy me so much, don't judge a book by its cover people. I thought we were all adults here? |
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"If that's all they have going for them, then no.
I appreciate the work and effort it takes for them to get the physique they desire but if that's all that defines them as a person then I am not interested.
I agree. I can appreciate the effort and commitment but if it's all you can offer it's as dull and uninspiring as people who rely on their job (usually a soldier or fireman) as their primary selling point.
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"We both go to the nearly every day and don't think we're gods gift, we have insecurities as every body else does.
These opinions annoy me so much, don't judge a book by its cover people. I thought we were all adults here?"
Your totally right and I do agree but it only takes one or two bad experiences to put someone off, we may all be adults but we're also only human ![](/icons/s/biggrin.gif) |
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It's a sad fact of life that we all get judged by how we look. Pretty blondes are dumb, muscular guys are vain and conceited, black guys have big dicks, fat people are jolly, people who wear glasses are intelligent etc. the people on here are no different despite always claiming "it's the person that matters not what they look like"... |
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"If that's all they have going for them, then no.
I appreciate the work and effort it takes for them to get the physique they desire but if that's all that defines them as a person then I am not interested. "
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"It's a sad fact of life that we all get judged by how we look. Pretty blondes are dumb, muscular guys are vain and conceited, black guys have big dicks, fat people are jolly, people who wear glasses are intelligent etc. the people on here are no different despite always claiming "it's the person that matters not what they look like"..."
Not all bespectacled people are intelligent. I should know, I'm a glasses wearing dafty! |
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"I visited Liverpool Ones gym twice, the place was soul destroying, the loose weight area wa full of sted heads flexing, was a gross sight, the rest of the place had the usual members doin their best to fight the fat, I can't go in a gym again, far too depressing for me and those he had pumped themselves up beyond the recommended psi suffered with vanity. "
Ha, I have unfortunately put on a little weight this year so have restarted back at the gym (got a target to hit by the end of the year) and I concur that there can be some very narcissistic people there! Some of them parade up and down looking to see who's checking them out and no matter what time I go to the gym, they always seem to be there.
But I also admire their resolve and dedication to get gym fit bodies, like you say most are there trying to fight the flab (like me, too wobbly right now!) and of course it's a gross generalisation to say they're all up their own arses.
But in answer to the OPs original question, it seems like the ladies DO like gym fit people as they always seem to do very well in the snog, fuck, avoid type threads! |
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"We both go to the nearly every day and don't think we're gods gift, we have insecurities as every body else does.
These opinions annoy me so much, don't judge a book by its cover people. I thought we were all adults here?
Your totally right and I do agree but it only takes one or two bad experiences to put someone off, we may all be adults but we're also only human "
Yep totally understand. I ignore (as best I can) the frequent jibes and snide comments from people - some friends, some acquaintances and people of fab about the way I live my life. I try not to give back negative comments about unhealthy people.
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I appreciate the effort men and women go into. Whether that's at the gym or in other aspect of life.
I don't mention the following just because I don't want to be a significant part of what makes me who I am:
Whilst I don't go to the gym often (boy, doesn't it show, lol) I do work out. Morning runs before work, boxing kit (punching bag, gloves and skipping rope) and weights. As well as yoga twice a day.
So whilst I always joke around that I'm a y so-and-so, I'm pretty fit and have an appreciation for fit people. But never to the exclusion of anyone else...
I love curves, a nice rounded rear, nice hair, beautiful eyes, intelligence, a personality, spark. Only ignorant and stupid people do my head in.
And also said, if the gym type is attached an idiot then all that work makes no difference
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"We both go to the nearly every day and don't think we're gods gift, we have insecurities as every body else does.
These opinions annoy me so much, don't judge a book by its cover people. I thought we were all adults here?"
Maybe not God's Gift but definitely the packaging or card that accompanies it ![](/icons/s/wink.gif) |
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"We both go to the nearly every day and don't think we're gods gift, we have insecurities as every body else does.
These opinions annoy me so much, don't judge a book by its cover people. I thought we were all adults here?
Maybe not God's Gift but definitely the packaging or card that accompanies it "
Oh no I missed the word gym. What a tool! Lol
Hmm so you must quite flexible then? ![](/icons/s/2/cute.gif) |
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"We both go to the nearly every day and don't think we're gods gift, we have insecurities as every body else does.
These opinions annoy me so much, don't judge a book by its cover people. I thought we were all adults here?
Your totally right and I do agree but it only takes one or two bad experiences to put someone off, we may all be adults but we're also only human
Yep totally understand. I ignore (as best I can) the frequent jibes and snide comments from people - some friends, some acquaintances and people of fab about the way I live my life. I try not to give back negative comments about unhealthy people.
Very true, we're only human "
Why do you get frequent jibes?? What about? I don't understand? |
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The first bites with the eye
id be a liar if i said i didn't find a nice toned body attractive but they have to have a good personality to back it up, i find gym fit guys who are obsessed and talk about the gym intensively a turn off, and i have met a few of those |
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"It's a sad fact of life that we all get judged by how we look. Pretty blondes are dumb, muscular guys are vain and conceited, black guys have big dicks, fat people are jolly, people who wear glasses are intelligent etc. the people on here are no different despite always claiming "it's the person that matters not what they look like"..."
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"We both go to the nearly every day and don't think we're gods gift, we have insecurities as every body else does.
These opinions annoy me so much, don't judge a book by its cover people. I thought we were all adults here?
Your totally right and I do agree but it only takes one or two bad experiences to put someone off, we may all be adults but we're also only human
Yep totally understand. I ignore (as best I can) the frequent jibes and snide comments from people - some friends, some acquaintances and people of fab about the way I live my life. I try not to give back negative comments about unhealthy people.
Very true, we're only human
Why do you get frequent jibes?? What about? I don't understand? "
About regularly training, refusing certain food etc etc. Not worth talking about really! I was just making a point ![](/icons/s/wink.gif) |
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"We both go to the nearly every day and don't think we're gods gift, we have insecurities as every body else does.
These opinions annoy me so much, don't judge a book by its cover people. I thought we were all adults here?
Maybe not God's Gift but definitely the packaging or card that accompanies it
Oh no I missed the word gym. What a tool! Lol
Hmm so you must quite flexible then? "
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"We both go to the nearly every day and don't think we're gods gift, we have insecurities as every body else does.
These opinions annoy me so much, don't judge a book by its cover people. I thought we were all adults here?
Your totally right and I do agree but it only takes one or two bad experiences to put someone off, we may all be adults but we're also only human
Yep totally understand. I ignore (as best I can) the frequent jibes and snide comments from people - some friends, some acquaintances and people of fab about the way I live my life. I try not to give back negative comments about unhealthy people.
Very true, we're only human
Why do you get frequent jibes?? What about? I don't understand?
About regularly training, refusing certain food etc etc. Not worth talking about really! I was just making a point "
I do see what you mean but maybe being a little over sensitive?? Think how many threads on here a day (for example) that are about the fat and the ugly?? Where generally we get a good bashing?? You both look great!! I shouldn't really legit bother you x |
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Some good points and bad points in here, people who go to the gym are not always vain, that's just a minority just like criminals in society they are the minority not the majority. |
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"It's a sad fact of life that we all get judged by how we look. Pretty blondes are dumb, muscular guys are vain and conceited, black guys have big dicks, fat people are jolly, people who wear glasses are intelligent etc. the people on here are no different despite always claiming "it's the person that matters not what they look like"...
Wise words. "
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"We both go to the nearly every day and don't think we're gods gift, we have insecurities as every body else does.
These opinions annoy me so much, don't judge a book by its cover people. I thought we were all adults here?
Your totally right and I do agree but it only takes one or two bad experiences to put someone off, we may all be adults but we're also only human
Yep totally understand. I ignore (as best I can) the frequent jibes and snide comments from people - some friends, some acquaintances and people of fab about the way I live my life. I try not to give back negative comments about unhealthy people.
Very true, we're only human
Why do you get frequent jibes?? What about? I don't understand?
About regularly training, refusing certain food etc etc. Not worth talking about really! I was just making a point
I do see what you mean but maybe being a little over sensitive?? Think how many threads on here a day (for example) that are about the fat and the ugly?? Where generally we get a good bashing?? You both look great!! I shouldn't really legit bother you x"
Nope, I'm not over sensitive.
I just think that people need to realise that it works both ways and people of all shapes and sizes don't like to be judged on how they look.
Thank you for your nice comment.
I know there are lots of threads like that, there should be more like - What is the coolest thing you've bought recently - Mine would be long handed tea spoons. Just saying. |
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"We both go to the nearly every day and don't think we're gods gift, we have insecurities as every body else does.
These opinions annoy me so much, don't judge a book by its cover people. I thought we were all adults here?
Your totally right and I do agree but it only takes one or two bad experiences to put someone off, we may all be adults but we're also only human
Yep totally understand. I ignore (as best I can) the frequent jibes and snide comments from people - some friends, some acquaintances and people of fab about the way I live my life. I try not to give back negative comments about unhealthy people.
Very true, we're only human
Why do you get frequent jibes?? What about? I don't understand?
About regularly training, refusing certain food etc etc. Not worth talking about really! I was just making a point
I do see what you mean but maybe being a little over sensitive?? Think how many threads on here a day (for example) that are about the fat and the ugly?? Where generally we get a good bashing?? You both look great!! I shouldn't really legit bother you x
Nope, I'm not over sensitive.
I just think that people need to realise that it works both ways and people of all shapes and sizes don't like to be judged on how they look.
Thank you for your nice comment.
I know there are lots of threads like that, there should be more like - What is the coolest thing you've bought recently - Mine would be long handed tea spoons. Just saying. "
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"We both go to the nearly every day and don't think we're gods gift, we have insecurities as every body else does.
These opinions annoy me so much, don't judge a book by its cover people. I thought we were all adults here?
Your totally right and I do agree but it only takes one or two bad experiences to put someone off, we may all be adults but we're also only human
Yep totally understand. I ignore (as best I can) the frequent jibes and snide comments from people - some friends, some acquaintances and people of fab about the way I live my life. I try not to give back negative comments about unhealthy people.
Very true, we're only human
Why do you get frequent jibes?? What about? I don't understand?
About regularly training, refusing certain food etc etc. Not worth talking about really! I was just making a point
I do see what you mean but maybe being a little over sensitive?? Think how many threads on here a day (for example) that are about the fat and the ugly?? Where generally we get a good bashing?? You both look great!! I shouldn't really legit bother you x
Nope, I'm not over sensitive.
I just think that people need to realise that it works both ways and people of all shapes and sizes don't like to be judged on how they look.
Thank you for your nice comment.
I know there are lots of threads like that, there should be more like - What is the coolest thing you've bought recently - Mine would be long handed tea spoons. Just saying. "
I've got some like that!!! The handle is a straw!! They're brilliant!! ![](/icons/s/biggrin.gif) |
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"I got abs like van dam and not many women are interested, cos it brings out their insecurities in bed lol"
do they tell you that's why they aren't interested or do you just assume that's the reason? |
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"I got abs like van dam and not many women are interested, cos it brings out their insecurities in bed lol
do they tell you that's why they aren't interested or do you just assume that's the reason?" Yes they do in the email, "I am not into muscle guys", its a commong thing they would send back ![](/icons/s/mrgreen.gif) |
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"I got abs like van dam and not many women are interested, cos it brings out their insecurities in bed lol" You mention Van wotsisname a lot...is there somat your not telling us ![](/icons/s/eek.gif) |
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"I got abs like van dam and not many women are interested, cos it brings out their insecurities in bed lol
do they tell you that's why they aren't interested or do you just assume that's the reason?Yes they do in the email, "I am not into muscle guys", its a commong thing they would send back "
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"I got abs like van dam and not many women are interested, cos it brings out their insecurities in bed lol
do they tell you that's why they aren't interested or do you just assume that's the reason?Yes they do in the email, "I am not into muscle guys", its a commong thing they would send back "
Isn't it something that I just saw the replies and immediately knew who they were talking to?
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"I got abs like van dam and not many women are interested, cos it brings out their insecurities in bed lol
do they tell you that's why they aren't interested or do you just assume that's the reason?Yes they do in the email, "I am not into muscle guys", its a commong thing they would send back "
but do they say you make them feel insecure, or are you just assuming that's the reason?
i must admit sometimes i look at some guys who mail me and i think....how the hell am i supposed to get naked infront of him, i just wondered if this was common ![](/icons/s/biggrin.gif) |
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"We both go to the nearly every day and don't think we're gods gift, we have insecurities as every body else does.
These opinions annoy me so much, don't judge a book by its cover people. I thought we were all adults here?
Your totally right and I do agree but it only takes one or two bad experiences to put someone off, we may all be adults but we're also only human
Yep totally understand. I ignore (as best I can) the frequent jibes and snide comments from people - some friends, some acquaintances and people of fab about the way I live my life. I try not to give back negative comments about unhealthy people.
Very true, we're only human
Why do you get frequent jibes?? What about? I don't understand?
About regularly training, refusing certain food etc etc. Not worth talking about really! I was just making a point
I do see what you mean but maybe being a little over sensitive?? Think how many threads on here a day (for example) that are about the fat and the ugly?? Where generally we get a good bashing?? You both look great!! I shouldn't really legit bother you x
Nope, I'm not over sensitive.
I just think that people need to realise that it works both ways and people of all shapes and sizes don't like to be judged on how they look.
Thank you for your nice comment.
I know there are lots of threads like that, there should be more like - What is the coolest thing you've bought recently - Mine would be long handed tea spoons. Just saying.
I've got some like that!!! The handle is a straw!! They're brilliant!! "
Mine don't have straws for handles! They are the best invention ever though!
Where do I find the straw ones pray tell? ![](/icons/s/2/cute.gif) |
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Dated two personal trainers, both expected that they could put in very little effort sexually because they were buff. Totally crap sex! Give me a cuddly, rugby guy over that any day! |
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"I got abs like van dam and not many women are interested, cos it brings out their insecurities in bed lol"
You mention Van wotsisname a lot...is there somat your not telling us " lol no but would be un if there was "
So you just assume then
"No not at all, its a common trend actually "
Keep doing what you're doing, sir "And thanks yes I will :D"
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""I got abs like van dam and not many women are interested, cos it brings out their insecurities in bed lol"
You mention Van wotsisname a lot...is there somat your not telling us lol no but would be un if there was
So you just assume then
No not at all, its a common trend actually
Keep doing what you're doing, sirAnd thanks yes I will :D"
fuck me shag your getting nifty with this quoting aren't you ![](/icons/s/mrgreen.gif) |
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"I got abs like van dam and not many women are interested, cos it brings out their insecurities in bed lol
do they tell you that's why they aren't interested or do you just assume that's the reason?Yes they do in the email, "I am not into muscle guys", its a commong thing they would send back
but do they say you make them feel insecure, or are you just assuming that's the reason?
i must admit sometimes i look at some guys who mail me and i think....how the hell am i supposed to get naked infront of him, i just wondered if this was common " I am not just assuming as I seen loads of it similar on tv documentaries about the same thing, so that's y I as well come to the same conclusion, andas well what your saying there as with the undressing thingy. ![](/icons/s/mrgreen.gif) |
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""I got abs like van dam and not many women are interested, cos it brings out their insecurities in bed lol"
You mention Van wotsisname a lot...is there somat your not telling us lol no but would be un if there was
So you just assume then
No not at all, its a common trend actually
Keep doing what you're doing, sirAnd thanks yes I will :D
fuck me shag your getting nifty with this quoting aren't you " I know lol, I did it in notepad thinking it would work as it was a lot of quoting and as well to small window here ![](/icons/s/twisted.gif) |
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"I got abs like van dam and not many women are interested, cos it brings out their insecurities in bed lol
do they tell you that's why they aren't interested or do you just assume that's the reason?Yes they do in the email, "I am not into muscle guys", its a commong thing they would send back
but do they say you make them feel insecure, or are you just assuming that's the reason?
i must admit sometimes i look at some guys who mail me and i think....how the hell am i supposed to get naked infront of him, i just wondered if this was common I am not just assuming as I seen loads of it similar on tv documentaries about the same thing, so that's y I as well come to the same conclusion, andas well what your saying there as with the undressing thingy. "
Thats still assuming lol |
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"I got abs like van dam and not many women are interested, cos it brings out their insecurities in bed lol"
Or it could be all the other issues that puts them off! |
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"I got abs like van dam and not many women are interested, cos it brings out their insecurities in bed lol
do they tell you that's why they aren't interested or do you just assume that's the reason?Yes they do in the email, "I am not into muscle guys", its a commong thing they would send back
but do they say you make them feel insecure, or are you just assuming that's the reason?
i must admit sometimes i look at some guys who mail me and i think....how the hell am i supposed to get naked infront of him, i just wondered if this was common I am not just assuming as I seen loads of it similar on tv documentaries about the same thing, so that's y I as well come to the same conclusion, andas well what your saying there as with the undressing thingy.
Thats still assuming lol" lol and yes it is, its a good reason tho ![](/icons/s/twisted.gif) |
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I appreciate people that take time over their appearance, and I love a gym fit body!!
However some of the best sex I've had has been with just normal average shape guys!!!
Had an experience with a guy in no3 once, he had a stunning body, and I for one was sucked in, was the worst sex I'd ever had, boring dull and he thought he was amazing |
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"I got abs like van dam and not many women are interested, cos it brings out their insecurities in bed lol
do they tell you that's why they aren't interested or do you just assume that's the reason?Yes they do in the email, "I am not into muscle guys", its a commong thing they would send back
but do they say you make them feel insecure, or are you just assuming that's the reason?
i must admit sometimes i look at some guys who mail me and i think....how the hell am i supposed to get naked infront of him, i just wondered if this was common I am not just assuming as I seen loads of it similar on tv documentaries about the same thing, so that's y I as well come to the same conclusion, andas well what your saying there as with the undressing thingy.
Thats still assuming lol"
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"I got abs like van dam and not many women are interested, cos it brings out their insecurities in bed lol
do they tell you that's why they aren't interested or do you just assume that's the reason?Yes they do in the email, "I am not into muscle guys", its a commong thing they would send back
but do they say you make them feel insecure, or are you just assuming that's the reason?
i must admit sometimes i look at some guys who mail me and i think....how the hell am i supposed to get naked infront of him, i just wondered if this was common I am not just assuming as I seen loads of it similar on tv documentaries about the same thing, so that's y I as well come to the same conclusion, andas well what your saying there as with the undressing thingy.
Thats still assuming lol
shea right, coming to the same conclusion based on a TV show is assuming " Yes but was quite interesting as well to watch ![](/icons/s/biggrin.gif) |
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"I was going to join a gym to get buff but now I dunno.
been short id hate to be seen as a guy who goes to the gym to just make up for my hight.
but I can agree here a few guys at work are all gym buffs. and they love them selfs and think they are god gift life others have said."
Being short you'll get a lot more impressive looking size than tall guys will for the same effort. Hence why most major body builders are all short arses :p
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I keep myself fit, walking some weights but purely to maintain good health, and to feel good.
My impression of gym guys is that they are more in love with themselves than anyone else and I suspect many of the ladies find that a bit shallow.
I may be wrong of course. |
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"women love guys with lean muscle
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not all, my daughter has a thing for big men, she has a crush on johnny vegas all the guys she has seen have been significantly over weight, even though shes a gym bunny herself and weighs about 8 stone, there is just no accounting for taste
she says the type of guys who use her gym do nothing for her |
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"women love guys with lean muscle
not all, my daughter has a thing for big men, she has a crush on johnny vegas all the guys she has seen have been significantly over weight, even though shes a gym bunny herself and weighs about 8 stone, there is just no accounting for taste
she says the type of guys who use her gym do nothing for her"
theres always 1 !!
generally speaking women lurve guys with lean muscle ![](/icons/s/razz.gif) |
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"women love guys with lean muscle
not all, my daughter has a thing for big men, she has a crush on johnny vegas all the guys she has seen have been significantly over weight, even though shes a gym bunny herself and weighs about 8 stone, there is just no accounting for taste
she says the type of guys who use her gym do nothing for her
theres always 1 !!
generally speaking women lurve guys with lean muscle "
of course
all woman like lean men, all men like slim women but there isn't enough lean and slim to go round ![](/icons/s/wink.gif) |
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"women love guys with lean muscle
not all, my daughter has a thing for big men, she has a crush on johnny vegas all the guys she has seen have been significantly over weight, even though shes a gym bunny herself and weighs about 8 stone, there is just no accounting for taste
she says the type of guys who use her gym do nothing for her
theres always 1 !!
generally speaking women lurve guys with lean muscle
of course
all woman like lean men, all men like slim women but there isn't enough lean and slim to go round "
true true
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I do have a soft spot for some gym fit guys...not keen on the body builder size as that's a bit too big and the veins in muscles can freak me out a bit, but a nicely toned body will often catch my eye. I do agree with others that there has to be more to the guy than the body, but I only meet guys that can hold a conversation regardless of their body type so all the gym fit (and non-gym fit) guys I've played with I've had great fun with...plus I'm finding more and more guys are regular gym goers, just that they're often training for different looks/sports/fitness types so gym fit can mean lots of different things.
Think there is a lot of stereotyping though in this thread and a lot of it is pretty offensive...why would someone who trains hard at the gym be assumed to be less intelligent or charming than someone who plays football several times a week, or even who sits at home gaming or watching movies? For many going to the gym is a social thing too so they train and catch up with friends, yes there are some that like to spend a little too long in front of the mirror but that isn't exclusive to gym goers, I know many women that can't pass a mirror without checking hair and make up! |
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"I do notice at my gym, that most guys under 30 don't bother to do none or hardly any cardio work, only head straight for the weights. "
Tbh there's nothing more boring than doing cardio in the gym.
Cardio can be done much more interestingly and effectively outside the gym, weight training though does need safe equipment so the gym is the most practical place. |
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"Looking to see how many people on here have a thing for guys who train alot, and are big in return ?? Any comments?" I prefer natural exercise such as walking or gardening . Could never see the point in just exercising for the sake of it . .
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"I do notice at my gym, that most guys under 30 don't bother to do none or hardly any cardio work, only head straight for the weights. "
I only do weights in the gym but get my cardio from boxing and running with my dog. The only issue I have is I'm trying to bulk and due to burning so many calories from the cardio I've had to cut that a bit and eat far more. |
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My guy is 'gymfit' and I adore it. He is gentle, humble and very very sensitive to the needs and feelings of others. He is intelligent, works hard and would do a good turn before a bad one. There is not an ounce of selfishness in him. He has big strong arms and can sweep me up into them with little effort. His muscles do not define who he is but they enhance his appearance ....to me! I think some people get a tad confused when they see someone in the gym who is serious about it, yes they look at themselves in the mirrors (thats why they are there) they look to ensure technique is correct, stance, posture etc and yes sometimes just to check out how they are looking overall....how else are they to judge progress?? |
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"I do notice at my gym, that most guys under 30 don't bother to do none or hardly any cardio work, only head straight for the weights.
Tbh there's nothing more boring than doing cardio in the gym.
Cardio can be done much more interestingly and effectively outside the gym, weight training though does need safe equipment so the gym is the most practical place."
I do most of my running outside, especially long runs, but ive found if im training for a race, interval training on the treadmill is easier than running them in the local park.
Respect to some of the guys who lift the weights, but some of them don't have an overall fitness, just they can lift heavy weights. Stick them on the treadmill for 5 minutes at 10kph and they are exhausted!. |
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"Looking to see how many people on here have a thing for guys who train alot, and are big in return ?? Any comments? I prefer natural exercise such as walking or gardening . Could never see the point in just exercising for the sake of it . ."
depends on your life style, not everyone has the time or job that can incorporate exercise so some have to put time aside for it |
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"Mrs P prefers men with a normal size dick so that rules a lot of you gymsters out. "
None of the gym fit men I've had had less than average cocks. The biggest cock I had was on an extremely fit,muscular man |
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"I do notice at my gym, that most guys under 30 don't bother to do none or hardly any cardio work, only head straight for the weights.
Tbh there's nothing more boring than doing cardio in the gym.
Cardio can be done much more interestingly and effectively outside the gym, weight training though does need safe equipment so the gym is the most practical place.
I do most of my running outside, especially long runs, but ive found if im training for a race, interval training on the treadmill is easier than running them in the local park.
Respect to some of the guys who lift the weights, but some of them don't have an overall fitness, just they can lift heavy weights. Stick them on the treadmill for 5 minutes at 10kph and they are exhausted!. "
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"I do notice at my gym, that most guys under 30 don't bother to do none or hardly any cardio work, only head straight for the weights.
Tbh there's nothing more boring than doing cardio in the gym.
Cardio can be done much more interestingly and effectively outside the gym, weight training though does need safe equipment so the gym is the most practical place."
That depends on the cardio you're doing really doesn't it? What you can do inside, you can do outside and vice versa.
I hate treadmills but without out them nobody could run affectively when the ground is covered in snow and ice. |
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"Mrs P prefers men with a normal size dick so that rules a lot of you gymsters out. "
Steroids don't shrink you dick. That's a complete myth and a typical misinformed assumption any way.
Also not all people that go to the gym take "Roids"
Again, argument invalid.
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"Mrs P prefers men with a normal size dick so that rules a lot of you gymsters out.
Steroids don't shrink you dick. That's a complete myth and a typical misinformed assumption any way.
Also not all people that go to the gym take "Roids"
Again, argument invalid.
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over a year ago
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"I do notice at my gym, that most guys under 30 don't bother to do none or hardly any cardio work, only head straight for the weights.
Tbh there's nothing more boring than doing cardio in the gym.
Cardio can be done much more interestingly and effectively outside the gym, weight training though does need safe equipment so the gym is the most practical place.
I do most of my running outside, especially long runs, but ive found if im training for a race, interval training on the treadmill is easier than running them in the local park.
Respect to some of the guys who lift the weights, but some of them don't have an overall fitness, just they can lift heavy weights. Stick them on the treadmill for 5 minutes at 10kph and they are exhausted!. "
Interval training as in the usual gym bs of few minute intervals or proper HIIT? Cause I've never seen a treadmill that can switch speeds fast enough for HIIT to be practical on it.
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"I do notice at my gym, that most guys under 30 don't bother to do none or hardly any cardio work, only head straight for the weights.
Tbh there's nothing more boring than doing cardio in the gym.
Cardio can be done much more interestingly and effectively outside the gym, weight training though does need safe equipment so the gym is the most practical place.
That depends on the cardio you're doing really doesn't it? What you can do inside, you can do outside and vice versa.
I hate treadmills but without out them nobody could run affectively when the ground is covered in snow and ice."
Ice an snow? Get the axes out and go climbing :p |
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over a year ago
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"Mrs P prefers men with a normal size dick so that rules a lot of you gymsters out.
Steroids don't shrink you dick. That's a complete myth and a typical misinformed assumption any way.
Also not all people that go to the gym take "Roids"
Again, argument invalid.
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It's funny how a few have presumed I meant that gymsters have small dicks.
Is it a touchy subject ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Some of the stereotyping in this thread, especially from some guys, is pretty pathetic really.
Not ALL guys that go to the gym aren't steroids users, they aren't all insecure, they aren't all dick heads who are "sad"
Believe it or some of us like going because we like to stay in sharpe and keep fit. Some of use have degree's and a good job. Most of us are actually human.
If you go to the gym and are put off by people flexing their muscles then you need to rethink about where you are training. I've been to many gyms and everyone I've been to has been nothing like some of the crap I've read above. And believe it or not, if you actually treated the guys there like normal humans, you'd discover a wealth of incredible knowledge on nutrition and health, who are in fact all probably really nice people.
Rant over "
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over a year ago
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"I do notice at my gym, that most guys under 30 don't bother to do none or hardly any cardio work, only head straight for the weights.
Tbh there's nothing more boring than doing cardio in the gym.
Cardio can be done much more interestingly and effectively outside the gym, weight training though does need safe equipment so the gym is the most practical place.
I do most of my running outside, especially long runs, but ive found if im training for a race, interval training on the treadmill is easier than running them in the local park.
Respect to some of the guys who lift the weights, but some of them don't have an overall fitness, just they can lift heavy weights. Stick them on the treadmill for 5 minutes at 10kph and they are exhausted!.
Interval training as in the usual gym bs of few minute intervals or proper HIIT? Cause I've never seen a treadmill that can switch speeds fast enough for HIIT to be practical on it.
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you set ur max on it and hop off to the sides for the downtime. works alright |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Mrs P prefers men with a normal size dick so that rules a lot of you gymsters out.
Steroids don't shrink you dick. That's a complete myth and a typical misinformed assumption any way.
Also not all people that go to the gym take "Roids"
Again, argument invalid.
It's funny how a few have presumed I meant that gymsters have small dicks.
Is it a touchy subject ?"
you did mean that though i think ur more insecure than you`d like to believe all the gym rats are ![](/icons/s/razz.gif) |
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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago
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"I do notice at my gym, that most guys under 30 don't bother to do none or hardly any cardio work, only head straight for the weights.
Tbh there's nothing more boring than doing cardio in the gym.
Cardio can be done much more interestingly and effectively outside the gym, weight training though does need safe equipment so the gym is the most practical place.
I do most of my running outside, especially long runs, but ive found if im training for a race, interval training on the treadmill is easier than running them in the local park.
Respect to some of the guys who lift the weights, but some of them don't have an overall fitness, just they can lift heavy weights. Stick them on the treadmill for 5 minutes at 10kph and they are exhausted!.
Interval training as in the usual gym bs of few minute intervals or proper HIIT? Cause I've never seen a treadmill that can switch speeds fast enough for HIIT to be practical on it.
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Running intervals of between 400 meters and 800 depending on what im training for. Sometimes mix it up with a higher gradient to replicate hill sprints. Not a fan of HIT for running as i don't see how running flat out for 30 seconds will help you run faster for a 10k. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Mrs P prefers men with a normal size dick so that rules a lot of you gymsters out.
Steroids don't shrink you dick. That's a complete myth and a typical misinformed assumption any way.
Also not all people that go to the gym take "Roids"
Again, argument invalid.
It's funny how a few have presumed I meant that gymsters have small dicks.
Is it a touchy subject ?" No its not as she prefer small dicks lol. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Looking to see how many people on here have a thing for guys who train alot, and are big in return ?? Any comments?"
I am!!!! And entirely for their fit bods. Not interested in talk. Not interested in long term. An evening devouring them and their fit bods would suit me very well x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Toned bodies are nice for those that like them. It's all about personal preference.
Just one thing, what sort of exercise gets you a cock like that....
She wants to know, just curious, obviously I don't need to know, have no need to know... I am rabbling on now aren't I? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I do notice at my gym, that most guys under 30 don't bother to do none or hardly any cardio work, only head straight for the weights.
Tbh there's nothing more boring than doing cardio in the gym.
Cardio can be done much more interestingly and effectively outside the gym, weight training though does need safe equipment so the gym is the most practical place.
That depends on the cardio you're doing really doesn't it? What you can do inside, you can do outside and vice versa.
I hate treadmills but without out them nobody could run affectively when the ground is covered in snow and ice.
Ice an snow? Get the axes out and go climbing :p"
I prefer to climb indoors, ice climbing doesn't appeal in the slightest! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Mrs P prefers men with a normal size dick so that rules a lot of you gymsters out.
Steroids don't shrink you dick. That's a complete myth and a typical misinformed assumption any way.
Also not all people that go to the gym take "Roids"
Again, argument invalid.
It's funny how a few have presumed I meant that gymsters have small dicks.
Is it a touchy subject ?"
I suppose touching would provide the answer ![](/icons/s/biggrin.gif) |
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By *D40Couple
over a year ago
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"If that's all they have going for them, then no.
I appreciate the work and effort it takes for them to get the physique they desire but if that's all that defines them as a person then I am not interested. "
Well said Evie. I personally don't find attraction in a body shape, i find it from the personality mainly. I don't think i'd like a muscle built guy who was vain, but without the vanity? Hell i'd give it a try
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Mrs P prefers men with a normal size dick so that rules a lot of you gymsters out.
Steroids don't shrink you dick. That's a complete myth and a typical misinformed assumption any way.
Also not all people that go to the gym take "Roids"
Again, argument invalid.
It's funny how a few have presumed I meant that gymsters have small dicks.
Is it a touchy subject ?
you did mean that though i think ur more insecure than you`d like to believe all the gym rats are "
Seems like it is a touchy subject. |
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"I do notice at my gym, that most guys under 30 don't bother to do none or hardly any cardio work, only head straight for the weights.
Tbh there's nothing more boring than doing cardio in the gym.
Cardio can be done much more interestingly and effectively outside the gym, weight training though does need safe equipment so the gym is the most practical place.
I do most of my running outside, especially long runs, but ive found if im training for a race, interval training on the treadmill is easier than running them in the local park.
Respect to some of the guys who lift the weights, but some of them don't have an overall fitness, just they can lift heavy weights. Stick them on the treadmill for 5 minutes at 10kph and they are exhausted!.
Interval training as in the usual gym bs of few minute intervals or proper HIIT? Cause I've never seen a treadmill that can switch speeds fast enough for HIIT to be practical on it.
Running intervals of between 400 meters and 800 depending on what im training for. Sometimes mix it up with a higher gradient to replicate hill sprints. Not a fan of HIT for running as i don't see how running flat out for 30 seconds will help you run faster for a 10k. "
See so many people doing HIIT in my gym but it's useless and pointless for proper running training.
I also do intervals in the treadmill as it's easy to structure them. Variations based on 2 minutes of hill work or speed with 2 or 4 minutes jogging in between and never come to a complete stop. Dull but simple, effective and controlled. |
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By *hinaManMan
over a year ago
Twickenham |
In all honesty, I don't think that I would have many meets if I did not keep my body in shape. I'm not saying that having a gym fit body is the most important thing but I can assure you that it certainly hasn't hindered me ![](/icons/s/wink.gif) |
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If I am a woman man physique don't come first on my agenda. I expect a man of any shape or form to treat me with respect before I see any unique features they have. If you are self obsessed type. No matter how good looking you are. The attractiveness just wear off. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I can only say fair play to them for the effort & dedication.
Some are up them self dick heads & some are not just like any other people in any other walks of life.
I have to train or i get fat so I do cardio & thai boxing because i enjoy it so it makes it easier to motivate myself.
I'd like to start doing some weight training but I get bored to quickly so that's why I can only say fair play to them.
My wife thinks they are nice to look at & she tends to look for gym fit when we are looking for mfm ![](/icons/s/twisted.gif) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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That's it I am off down the gym lol
I personally am a shy guy that likes to stay in the best shape I can , and fight of getting old
It's not nice to be typecast and assume that all gym goers are self obsessed
And for the lady who said that a fit guy wouldn't be interested in her RUBBISH !!!!!!
We are all different shapes and sizes and me personally I like it that way
So please ladies and gentlemen have an open mind as I do and never judge a book by its cover
Love you all
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By (user no longer on site)
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Wud hit gym most days , also see the same guys check out there arms and legs and bodies and loving themselves... For me I run , bike , crosstrainer love the feel of sweating up then few light weights and sit-ups then shower and home . Do it straight after work gives me more time in home and means I can spend more time on here .... lol |
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