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"Good to know your hatred of them. Im sure that the thousands of cancer victims who have had reconstructive work and their surgeons will now feel really guilty and realise the massive mistake that they are making and will stop immediately, and hopefully your feelings and sensitivity will no longer be offended. " | |||
"Good to know your hatred of them. Im sure that the thousands of cancer victims who have had reconstructive work and their surgeons will now feel really guilty and realise the massive mistake that they are making and will stop immediately, and hopefully your feelings and sensitivity will no longer be offended. " | |||
"Good to know your hatred of them. Im sure that the thousands of cancer victims who have had reconstructive work and their surgeons will now feel really guilty and realise the massive mistake that they are making and will stop immediately, and hopefully your feelings and sensitivity will no longer be offended. " | |||
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"Good to know your hatred of them. Im sure that the thousands of cancer victims who have had reconstructive work and their surgeons will now feel really guilty and realise the massive mistake that they are making and will stop immediately, and hopefully your feelings and sensitivity will no longer be offended. "I have a feeling the op meant people that don't actually need them  | |||
"Really need to voice my opinion..not a fan of fakery best of times but some implants are looking dodgy as fuck..I mean some look plain wrong! The gaps that big between some I could have a 'thigh wank' Please stop messing with ma'am nature...or stop going to boobs-R-us to have em jacked up.. " Not sure your thoughts on them is top of most people's lists when considering getting them done lol You don't like fake boobs, don't meet people with them, simple really. | |||
"Good to know your hatred of them. Im sure that the thousands of cancer victims who have had reconstructive work and their surgeons will now feel really guilty and realise the massive mistake that they are making and will stop immediately, and hopefully your feelings and sensitivity will no longer be offended.
I have a feeling the op meant people that don't actually need them "In his opinion. Maybe the owners of said,boobs thought they did need them? Body dysmorphia is horrible to live with. | |||
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"Good to know your hatred of them. Im sure that the thousands of cancer victims who have had reconstructive work and their surgeons will now feel really guilty and realise the massive mistake that they are making and will stop immediately, and hopefully your feelings and sensitivity will no longer be offended.
I have a feeling the op meant people that don't actually need them
In his opinion. Maybe the owners of said,boobs thought they did need them? Body dysmorphia is horrible to live with. " | |||
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"Good to know your hatred of them. Im sure that the thousands of cancer victims who have had reconstructive work and their surgeons will now feel really guilty and realise the massive mistake that they are making and will stop immediately, and hopefully your feelings and sensitivity will no longer be offended. "Get a grip...Jesus..theres ALWAYS one FFS!! If you're too stupid to realize the thread is in relation to vanity reasons then please take you're opinion elsewhere as opinions like that that bring an atmosphere.. Can't wait for UKIP to get in and stop all this political correctness bullshit... | |||
"Really need to voice my opinion..not a fan of fakery best of times but some implants are looking dodgy as fuck..I mean some look plain wrong! The gaps that big between some I could have a 'thigh wank' Please stop messing with ma'am nature...or stop going to boobs-R-us to have em jacked up.. " better idea just don't meet women with fake boobs if thats not your thing. dont meet tall women if thats not your thing. dont meet bbw women if thats not your thing. why come on here having a go at women who get boob implants to make them selfs feel better, they certainly dont do it with giving tit wanks in mind to please guys on a swinging site. | |||
"Really need to voice my opinion..not a fan of fakery best of times but some implants are looking dodgy as fuck..I mean some look plain wrong! The gaps that big between some I could have a 'thigh wank' Please stop messing with ma'am nature...or stop going to boobs-R-us to have em jacked up.. better idea just don't meet women with fake boobs if thats not your thing. dont meet tall women if thats not your thing. dont meet bbw women if thats not your thing. why come on here having a go at women who get boob implants to make them selfs feel better, they certainly dont do it with giving tit wanks in mind to please guys on a swinging site. " | |||
"Good to know your hatred of them. Im sure that the thousands of cancer victims who have had reconstructive work and their surgeons will now feel really guilty and realise the massive mistake that they are making and will stop immediately, and hopefully your feelings and sensitivity will no longer be offended.
I have a feeling the op meant people that don't actually need them "Yes but that's not the point - even they obviously thought they needed them and the last thing they need is the continual physical criticism women get on this forum, ffs, I think the kind of guys who keep writing them probably need to get laid a bit more or bugger off down the gym and worry about their own dysmorphia! Such criticism is a pretty sure sign of narcissism in the opinion of many psychologists anyway - take the plank out of your own eye maybe!! | |||
"Really need to voice my opinion..not a fan of fakery best of times but some implants are looking dodgy as fuck..I mean some look plain wrong! The gaps that big between some I could have a 'thigh wank' Please stop messing with ma'am nature...or stop going to boobs-R-us to have em jacked up.. better idea just don't meet women with fake boobs if thats not your thing. dont meet tall women if thats not your thing. dont meet bbw women if thats not your thing. why come on here having a go at women who get boob implants to make them selfs feel better, they certainly dont do it with giving tit wanks in mind to please guys on a swinging site. "
Just choose people who are your thing....
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"Has Tina got falsies? " Course she has.....ffs! | |||
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 sometimes they are an improvement, if they make the woman feel better that's all that matters, I doubt many women would decide to have them done based on what men on here think | |||
"Has Tina got falsies? Course she has.....ffs!" I represent that accusation  | |||
"Good to know your hatred of them. Im sure that the thousands of cancer victims who have had reconstructive work and their surgeons will now feel really guilty and realise the massive mistake that they are making and will stop immediately, and hopefully your feelings and sensitivity will no longer be offended.
Get a grip...Jesus..theres ALWAYS one FFS!! If you're too stupid to realize the thread is in relation to vanity reasons then please take you're opinion elsewhere as opinions like that that bring an atmosphere..
Can't wait for UKIP to get in and stop all this political correctness bullshit... " ....hoiks baggy natural boobs over my shoulders and carries on with whacking watermelons with them | |||
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"Good to know your hatred of them. Im sure that the thousands of cancer victims who have had reconstructive work and their surgeons will now feel really guilty and realise the massive mistake that they are making and will stop immediately, and hopefully your feelings and sensitivity will no longer be offended.
Get a grip...Jesus..theres ALWAYS one FFS!! If you're too stupid to realize the thread is in relation to vanity reasons
then please take you're opinion
elsewhere as opinions like that that
bring an atmosphere..
Can't wait for UKIP to get in and stop all this political correctness bullshit... "I agree | |||
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"lol how come we talk about ukip in a tit thread oh wait they are tits lol." Its a utit thread | |||
"[Removed by poster at 26/05/14 14:15:19]" I saw that | |||
"In most threads you will alwais see peeps turning around the questions and things from what the original question was about lol." | |||
"lol how come we talk about ukip in a tit thread oh wait they are tits lol. Its a utit thread" Yes thats it lol | |||
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"Really need to voice my opinion..not a fan of fakery best of times but some implants are looking dodgy as fuck..I mean some look plain wrong! The gaps that big between some I could have a 'thigh wank' Please stop messing with ma'am nature...or stop going to boobs-R-us to have em jacked up.. better idea just don't meet women with fake boobs if thats not your thing. dont meet tall women if thats not your thing. dont meet bbw women if thats not your thing. why come on here having a go at women who get boob implants to make them selfs feel better, they certainly dont do it with giving tit wanks in mind to please guys on a swinging site. " "Ooh look at me ladies I fully agree with all you say...please fuck me I'm really sensitive and understand all your womanly issues...not like the nasty OP who dares to say he doesn't like false tits but I'll still slag Jordan off with you all ..." Get some balls boy! | |||
"Mine are naturally fabulous "Mine are fabulous via ebay | |||
"Mine are naturally fabulous
Mine are fabulous via ebay "I'd 'thigh fuck em'.. | |||
"Really need to voice my opinion..not a fan of fakery best of times but some implants are looking dodgy as fuck..I mean some look plain wrong! The gaps that big between some I could have a 'thigh wank' Please stop messing with ma'am nature...or stop going to boobs-R-us to have em jacked up.. better idea just don't meet women with fake boobs if thats not your thing. dont meet tall women if thats not your thing. dont meet bbw women if thats not your thing. why come on here having a go at women who get boob implants to make them selfs feel better, they certainly dont do it with giving tit wanks in mind to please guys on a swinging site. "Ooh look at me ladies I fully agree with all you say...please fuck me I'm really sensitive and understand all your womanly issues...not like the nasty OP who dares to say he doesn't like false tits but I'll still slag Jordan off with you all ..." Get some balls boy!" what are you in about. ... your the one ranting like a 5 year old on here about girls with fake boobs. quite simple... DONT meet then. Problem solved... dont come on here crying about the fact some women want to get fake breasts. jeez. | |||
"Really need to voice my opinion..not a fan of fakery best of times but some implants are looking dodgy as fuck..I mean some look plain wrong! The gaps that big between some I could have a 'thigh wank' Please stop messing with ma'am nature...or stop going to boobs-R-us to have em jacked up.. better idea just don't meet women with fake boobs if thats not your thing. dont meet tall women if thats not your thing. dont meet bbw women if thats not your thing. why come on here having a go at women who get boob implants to make them selfs feel better, they certainly dont do it with giving tit wanks in mind to please guys on a swinging site. "Ooh look at me ladies I fully agree with all you say...please fuck me I'm really sensitive and understand all your womanly issues...not like the nasty OP who dares to say he doesn't like false tits but I'll still slag Jordan off with you all ..." Get some balls boy! what are you in about. ... your the one ranting like a 5 year old on here about girls with fake boobs. quite simple... DONT meet then. Problem solved... dont come on here crying about the fact some women want to get fake breasts. jeez." You need to check the 'so many' thread..you'll love it.. | |||
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"Some ladies have natural boobs that still have a wider cleavage - would you meet them?" No. | |||
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"I like my false one, best thing I ever did. If you don't like them then don't look and certainly don't touch." I think I can keep my hands off. | |||
"Good to know your hatred of them. Im sure that the thousands of cancer victims who have had reconstructive work and their surgeons will now feel really guilty and realise the massive mistake that they are making and will stop immediately, and hopefully your feelings and sensitivity will no longer be offended.
I have a feeling the op meant people that don't actually need them
Yes but that's not the point - even they obviously thought they needed them and the last thing they need is the continual physical criticism women get on this forum, ffs, I think the kind of guys who keep writing them probably need to get laid a bit more or bugger off down the gym and worry about their own dysmorphia! Such criticism is a pretty sure sign of narcissism in the opinion of many psychologists anyway - take the plank out of your own eye maybe!!"I can assure you there is no plank in my eye. As the op has since pointed out, he meant women who have implants purely for vanity reasons. I assumed that was what he meant from reading his initial post and took it to be a lighthearted thread. If others interpreted his post otherwise, then there's frankly not much I can do about that. | |||
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"Might not have been such a huge gap between them its more likely you have a little icky cock " PMSL | |||
" I can assure you there is no plank in my eye. As the op has since pointed out, he meant women who have implants purely for vanity reasons. " There's no way to discern them. I have natural boobs so I have no axe to grind, I just think this kind of thread says more ill about the posters than the people they 'lightheartedly' criticise. It's simply unkind.  | |||
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"Good to know your hatred of them. Im sure that the thousands of cancer victims who have had reconstructive work and their surgeons will now feel really guilty and realise the massive mistake that they are making and will stop immediately, and hopefully your feelings and sensitivity will no longer be offended.
Get a grip...Jesus..theres ALWAYS one FFS!! If you're too stupid to realize the thread is in relation to vanity reasons then please take you're opinion elsewhere as opinions like that that bring an atmosphere..
Can't wait for UKIP to get in and stop all this political correctness bullshit... "Pmsl this made me chuckle x yes there is always at least one in every innocently posted thread that takes it that one bit further  | |||
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"What might be interpreted as "vanity" to one person may be an all consuming problem to the woman concerned. These "Fake Tits" threads always amuse us in as much as if there was a relatively simple, successful, procedure for adding a couple of inches to their cock this site would be full of guys who'd had it done and mainly for "vanity"!
XXXX"The point was if you're gonna have them, have good ones. If a guy had injections in his cock to make it girthier (which can be done) and it ended up looking like a dog's hind leg, I'm sure us girls would be gossiping about it till the cows came home. As a gender, we are known for bitching all the time but as soon as a guy does it (even when it's tongue in cheek) he's insensitive and a bastard!! Come in girls, don't be hypocrites. How many have been on a night out and used the words 'oh my god what's she wearing?!' It's the same principle | |||
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" I don't find short men sexually attractive and yet I don't start threads about it. Nor do I offer them abuse or make snarky comments, I simply choose not to have sex with them." Exactly - I don't recall women starting threads about ugly knarled cocks or disgusting hairy bodies and yet there are quite a few the other way round. It's really not cricket! | |||
"What might be interpreted as "vanity" to one person may be an all consuming problem to the woman concerned. These "Fake Tits" threads always amuse us in as much as if there was a relatively simple, successful, procedure for adding a couple of inches to jtheir cock this site would be full of guys who'd had it done and mainly for "vanity"!
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The point was if you're gonna have them, have good ones. If a guy had injections in his cock to make it girthier (which can be done) and it ended up looking like a dog's hind leg, I'm sure us girls would be gossiping about it till the cows came home. As a gender, we are known for bitching all the time but as soon as a guy does it (even when it's tongue in cheek) he's insensitive and a bastard!! Come in girls, don't be hypocrites. How many have been on a night out and used the words 'oh my god what's she wearing?!' It's the same principle"I understand your point but i dont think anyone would say please do me a boob job but please make them look awful. I dont like how some people look, i think what Jordan has done is not wise, but it is still her choice. She shouldnt make decisions to please someone else who she will not ever meet. | |||
As TD said, there are things I find unattractive. I don't start threads about it, I just don't meet people with those characteristics.
How about some live and let live? If something doesn't float your boat, avoid it. There's nothing at all to be gained from making other people feel like shit about themselves.
And, incidentally, nobody has any idea what another individual feels like so nobody is in a position to know if something is done for vanity or not. Some people want surgery as a result of deep rooted psychological pain that none of the insensitive, critical arseholes who slag them off for "vanity" could ever have a hope of understanding, even if they cared.
When people feel they need surgery to make themselves feel better about how they look, instead of criticising them, how about taking a long, hard look at what's wrong with the people who made them feel that way.
Finally, nobody, NOBODY AT ALL has a responsibility to look good for anyone but themselves and NOBODY has a right to criticise anyone for not being attractive to them, or to try to make them feel bad for it.
To listen to some of the posters on here, you'd think the entire purpose of the opposite sex, (or sometimes the same sex), is to be sexually attractive and sexually available to that one individual person.
By the way OP, plenty of women that you don't measure up to your standards wouldn't touch you with a bargepole either. | |||
" I can assure you there is no plank in my eye. As the op has since pointed out, he meant women who have implants purely for vanity reasons. There's no way to discern them. I have natural boobs so I have no axe to grind, I just think this kind of thread says more ill about the posters than the people they 'lightheartedly' criticise. It's simply unkind. " | |||
"Good to know your hatred of them. Im sure that the thousands of cancer victims who have had reconstructive work and their surgeons will now feel really guilty and realise the massive mistake that they are making and will stop immediately, and hopefully your feelings and sensitivity will no longer be offended.
Get a grip...Jesus..theres ALWAYS one FFS!! If you're too stupid to realize the thread is in relation to vanity reasons then please take you're opinion elsewhere as opinions like that that bring an atmosphere..
Can't wait for UKIP to get in and stop all this political correctness bullshit... "UKIP are going to change what people are allowed to say on websites? PMSL!
As for "political correctness" how about just not being bloody nasty to people simply for not conforming to your standards of how they should look?
Nobody sets out to have a bad boob job. And you have no idea of the reasons behind them choosing to have it done. What you see as "vanity" may be something else entirely.
As for aiming this post only at those having boob jobs for vanity, firstly you didn't say that, and secondly, women who've had reconstructions for health reasons may still be made to feel self-conscious as a result of this post.
Nobody can tell by looking what the reason for a boob job was, so women who've had surgery due to cancer etc. would be entirely justified in thinking that some people have these thoughts about them. | |||
"Good to know your hatred of them. Im sure that the thousands of cancer victims who have had reconstructive work and their surgeons will now feel really guilty and realise the massive mistake that they are making and will stop immediately, and hopefully youri feelings and sensitivity will no longer be offended.
Get a grip...Jesus..theres ALWAYS one FFS!! If you're too stupid to realize the thread is in relation to vanity reasons then please take you're opinion elsewhere as opinions like that that bring an atmosphere..
Can't wait for UKIP to get in and stop all this political correctness bullshit...
UKIP are going to change what people are allowed to say on websites? PMSL!
As for "political correctness" how about just not being bloody nasty to people simply for not conforming to your standards of how they should look?
Nobody sets out to have a bad boob job. And you have no idea of the reasons behind them choosing to have it done. What you see as "vanity" may be something else entirely.
As for aiming this post only at those having boob jobs for vanity, firstly you didn't say that, and secondly, women who've had reconstructions for health reasons may still be made to feel self-conscious as a result of this post.
Nobody can tell by looking what the reason for a boob job was, so women who've had surgery due to cancer etc. would be entirely justified in thinking that some people have these thoughts about them." | |||
"Good to know your hatred of them. Im sure that the thousands of cancer victims who have had reconstructive work and their surgeons will now feel really guilty and realise the massive mistake that they are making and will stop immediately, and hopefully your feelings and sensitivity will no longer be offended. "(thumb | |||
"In most threads you will alwais see peeps turning around the questions and things from what the original question was about lol." | |||
"In most threads you will alwais see peeps turning around the questions and things from what the original question was about lol. "There was no original question. Just judgemental, insensitive condemnation of women who have already shown themselves to be sufficiently unhappy with how they look to go to the extreme of having surgery. That's certain to help them so well done to the OP and to everyone who has supported him in his campaign to make people unhappy with how they looked, even more unhappy. Excellent job. | |||
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"In most threads you will alwais see peeps turning around the questions and things from what the original question was about lol.
There was no original question. Just judgemental, insensitive condemnation of women who have already shown themselves to be sufficiently unhappy with how they look to go to the extreme of having surgery.
That's certain to help them so well done to the OP and to everyone who has supported him in his campaign to make people unhappy with how they looked, even more unhappy.
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"Good to know your hatred of them. Im sure that the thousands of cancer victims who have had reconstructive work and their surgeons will now feel really guilty and realise the massive mistake that they are making and will stop immediately, and hopefully your feelings and sensitivity will no longer be offended.
I have a feeling the op meant people that don't actually need them "it was his opinion on fake boobs. To him they wouldn't look better on someone who had lost theirs to cancer | |||
"It's amazing you know that people can inadvertently reinforce a persons behaviour so much without even having a clue what they're doing. If you actually take a look at the types of threads the OP generally posts, they are tongue in cheek and sarcastic and are always controversial in nature. Why? To get a reaction!! He posts a comment (which by the way he's entitled to his opinion in exactly the same way you are, there isn't ever right and wrong on here, there's only differing sides to an argument). In exactly the way he knew it would, his comment provoked a heated debate. You all took the bait good and proper!! Why? Cos human behaviour is predictable. People jump on the band wagon and its the whole 'sheep mentality'. I defy any single one of you doogooders to try and convince me or yourselves that you have never in your life bitches about someone or made a comment about a person's appearance. It's the easiest thing in the world to have a go at someone else's opinion without looking at yourself first and asking if you've ever been guilty of the same crime. In the same way you criticise him for not knowing people's reasons for surgery or a woman's personal circumstances, you don't know the OP's either. His wife, his mum, his sister could have been through cancer for all you know. I actually know him well and know that he has had personal tragedy in his life that you guys could only ever imagine but everyone is so quick to jump and have a go. Ask yourself why he posted what he did, to get your reactions and you gave him it. You think he was sat worrying about what your opinions of his thread were? No. He was probably sat chuckling to himself that he'd started such a ruckus, laughing at the hypocracy of humans. If one of you can stand and say you've never ever had a bad word to say about anyone in your lives then fair enough have a go about someone having a controversial opinion but until that point, don't be such a hypocrite and sheep" not tongue in cheek,inflammatory. Maybe he should get a new hobby. Being "controversial" for the sake of it is for celebrities trying to get air time. His posts mildly amuse me in that I'm laughing at him. I'm sure that's what he tries to achieve | |||
"Good to know your hatred of them. Im sure that the thousands of cancer victims who have had reconstructive work and their surgeons will now feel really guilty and realise the massive mistake that they are making and will stop immediately, and hopefully your feelings and sensitivity will no longer be offended.
Get a grip...Jesus..theres ALWAYS one FFS!! If you're too stupid to realize the thread is in relation to vanity reasons then please take you're opinion elsewhere as opinions like that that bring an atmosphere..
Can't wait for UKIP to get in and stop all this political correctness bullshit... "and there's always one who shouts political correctness when people react in the way said person knew they would | |||
"It's amazing you know that people can inadvertently reinforce a persons behaviour so much without even having a clue what they're doing. If you actually take a look at the types of threads the OP generally posts, they are tongue in cheek and sarcastic and are always controversial in nature. Why? To get a reaction!! He posts a comment (which by the way he's entitled to his opinion in exactly the same way you are, there isn't ever right and wrong on here, there's only differing sides to an argument). In exactly the way he knew it would, his comment provoked a heated debate. You all took the bait good and proper!! Why? Cos human behaviour is predictable. People jump on the band wagon and its the whole 'sheep mentality'. I defy any single one of you doogooders to try and convince me or yourselves that you have never in your life bitches about someone or made a comment about a person's appearance. It's the easiest thing in the world to have a go at someone else's opinion without looking at yourself first and asking if you've ever been guilty of the same crime. In the same way you criticise him for not knowing people's reasons for surgery or a woman's personal circumstances, you don't know the OP's either. His wife, his mum, his sister could have been through cancer for all you know. I actually know him well and know that he has had personal tragedy in his life that you guys could only ever imagine but everyone is so quick to jump and have a go. Ask yourself why he posted what he did, to get your reactions and you gave him it. You think he was sat worrying about what your opinions of his thread were? No. He was probably sat chuckling to himself that he'd started such a ruckus, laughing at the hypocracy of humans. If one of you can stand and say you've never ever had a bad word to say about anyone in your lives then fair enough have a go about someone having a controversial opinion but until that point, don't be such a hypocrite and sheep" He's been through personal tragedy so he's allowed to behave like an arsehole and upset people who have already demonstrated they may be vulnerable? What rot. He's entitled to this opinion but there's absolutely no need to say it. There's nothing to be gained from it and it could do harm. Sometimes certain opinions should be kept to oneself. I'm not saying this because I'm a sheep - I'm perfectly happy to disagree with popular opinion and often do - but because this is what I actually think. It's akin to playground bullying to have a pop at the weaker and more vulnerable just for a laugh. | |||
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"Who said anything about 'weaker' or more vulnerable? You're making that assumption that people who have cosmetic surgery are weaker and more vulnerable? Bit of a leap if I may say so. One more point I'd like to make is that the very nature of this site makes it acceptable to 'judge' people on aesthetics alone. Take the hot photos section of the website for example. This, according to your arguments, would also be unacceptable by making women who aren't 'fabbed' as much feel self conscious and not good enough. But I don't hear one of you calling for an end to that section of the site!! Again, because humans are by definition hypocrites. You all judge people every single day of your lives on this site, deleting messages just because you don't fancy someone (they could be an amazing person) and fabbing photos of people purely based on looks alone. The whole nature of a sex site is that aesthics take precedence over personality, personal circumstances etc etc. I think some of us need to actually take a step back and realise that this site is not real life. Being on here gives a warped sense of reality and do you honestly think that the OP (who by the way is actually one of the nicest guys you could ever wish to meet and treats a woman with more respect than 99% of the bozos on this site!!) actually goes around in real life saying contraversial things to get a rise. Does he eck! He's interested in the human mind and as such he likes to see what reaction he gets from people and how they behave in certain situations, that is merely the extent. For all those people who turned this into a serious debate and called him a bigot, you missed the point completely " This is a serious debate. It's not something to make a joke of. Hence the reaction. As for potentially more vulnerable, as I said, women who are so unhappy with their appearance as to go as far as to have surgery - a fairly drastic step - are fairly obviously likely to be more vulnerable to criticism of their appearance than women who are happy with how they look. But it wouldn't be "fun" to pick on people who wouldn't be upset by it. That's exactly the mentality of playground bullies. | |||
Know a few ladies that bought boobs as they sagged down to their knees after breast feeding
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"You all judge people every single day of your lives on this site, deleting messages just because you don't fancy someone (they could be an amazing person)" We don't necessarily consider it essential, or acceptable, to start threads highlighting why we didn't fancy them though. And those that do tend to get the same reaction as this thread has. As TD said above, there's lots of characteristics she's not attracted to in men but she doesn't feel the need to start threads telling them she doesn't like how they look. She just doesn't message them or meet them. "and fabbing photos of people purely based on looks alone." *Totally* missing the point. Fabbing is positive feedback. There isn't a "Not fab" option, which is what this post is. "I think some of us need to actually take a step back and realise that this site is not real life. Being on here gives a warped sense of reality and do you honestly think that the OP (who by the way is actually one of the nicest guys you could ever wish to meet and treats a woman with more respect than 99% of the bozos on this site!!) actually goes around in real life saying contraversial things to get a rise. Does he eck!" I think you, and the OP, need to realise that this site is made up of real people who can be hurt by words and have their confidence damaged just as easily as in "real life", if they are prone to that. Yes, the OP is clearly a lovely, respectful guy. It's delightful to criticise women who may well have body image issues already, just for shits and giggles. He's an absolute gem. If he doesn't consider it's appropriate to say these things to people in person, in "real life" why on Earth would it be ok to snipe from behind a screen? It's still real people he's addressing. | |||
"If they look like tennis balls stuck to a skinny body like some on fab it aint a good look." Case in point!! Well said x | |||
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"Love my boobs Cant belive the narrow mindness " Read the original comment again. Do yours look like they have a massive gap in between? No. Then he didn't mean you. Calm down love, you'll give yourself a hernia | |||
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"You all judge people every single day of your lives on this site, deleting messages just because you don't fancy someone (they could be an amazing person) We don't necessarily consider it essential, or acceptable, to start threads highlighting why we didn't fancy them though. And those that do tend to get the same reaction as this thread has. As TD said above, there's lots of characteristics she's not attracted to in men but she doesn't feel the need to start threads telling them she doesn't like how they look. She just doesn't message them or meet them. and fabbing photos of people purely based on looks alone. *Totally* missing the point. Fabbing is positive feedback. There isn't a "Not fab" option, which is what this post is. I think some of us need to actually take a step back and realise that this site is not real life. Being on here gives a warped sense of reality and do you honestly think that the OP (who by the way is actually one of the nicest guys you could ever wish to meet and treats a woman with more respect than 99% of the bozos on this site!!) actually goes around in real life saying contraversial things to get a rise. Does he eck! I think you, and the OP, need to realise that this site is made up of real people who can be hurt by words and have their confidence damaged just as easily as in "real life", if they are prone to that. Yes, the OP is clearly a lovely, respectful guy. It's delightful to criticise women who may well have body image issues already, just for shits and giggles. He's an absolute gem. If he doesn't consider it's appropriate to say these things to people in person, in "real life" why on Earth would it be ok to snipe from behind a screen? It's still real people he's addressing." Totally missing the point about the fabbing photos comment. Yes fabbing photos is positive but not fabbing is negative, so all the women on here who get no fans on their photos probably feel like crap in comparison to the pretty little things that get thousands. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, this site is the most shallow place and as such, promotes the idea of judging people on looks. But that's ok as long as you just don't say anything in the forum about anyone? Give me a break people and stop taking yourselves so seriously and acting holier than thou. And as for the fact that you say he can't be a a nice guy etc because of his comment, aren't you now guilty of the thing you criticised him for in the first place? Making a judgement of someone without knowing the full facts? Oh yes!! Loving the hypocracy once again people. Thank you. This is more than proving the point of what it was intended to prove. Well done everyone haha | |||
"Boohoo! If you don't like them, don't meet them. I'm sure they won't be laying awake at night stressing that some random on a forum somewhere doesn't like the fact they've had them done. Sounds like the OP has a 'boob gap' problem, not a breast enhancement problem." I have a boob gap and mine are totally natural! If we were all the same it would be boring (or in my case, horrifying!) | |||
"You all judge people every single day of your lives on this site, deleting messages just because you don't fancy someone (they could be an amazing person) We don't necessarily consider it essential, or acceptable, to start threads highlighting why we didn't fancy them though. And those that do tend to get the same reaction as this thread has. As TD said above, there's lots of characteristics she's not attracted to in men but she doesn't feel the need to start threads telling them she doesn't like how they look. She just doesn't message them or meet them. and fabbing photos of people purely based on looks alone. *Totally* missing the point. Fabbing is positive feedback. There isn't a "Not fab" option, which is what this post is. I think some of us need to actually take a step back and realise that this site is not real life. Being on here gives a warped sense of reality and do you honestly think that the OP (who by the way is actually one of the nicest guys you could ever wish to meet and treats a woman with more respect than 99% of the bozos on this site!!) actually goes around in real life saying contraversial things to get a rise. Does he eck! I think you, and the OP, need to realise that this site is made up of real people who can be hurt by words and have their confidence damaged just as easily as in "real life", if they are prone to that. Yes, the OP is clearly a lovely, respectful guy. It's delightful to criticise women who may well have body image issues already, just for shits and giggles. He's an absolute gem. If he doesn't consider it's appropriate to say these things to people in person, in "real life" why on Earth would it be ok to snipe from behind a screen? It's still real people he's addressing. Totally missing the point about the fabbing photos comment. Yes fabbing photos is positive but not fabbing is negative, so all the women on here who get no fans on their photos probably feel like crap in comparison to the pretty little things that get thousands. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, this site is the most shallow place and as such, promotes the idea of judging people on looks. But that's ok as long as you just don't say anything in the forum about anyone? Give me a break people and stop taking yourselves so seriously and acting holier than thou. And as for the fact that you say he can't be a a nice guy etc because of his comment, aren't you now guilty of the thing you criticised him for in the first place? Making a judgement of someone without knowing the full facts? Oh yes!! Loving the hypocracy once again people. Thank you. This is more than proving the point of what it was intended to prove. Well done everyone haha" Not saying something positive is not the same as saying something critical and rude. You can think what you like but some thoughts should remain thoughts. There really is no excuse. | |||
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"If they look like tennis balls stuck to a skinny body like some on fab it aint a good look. Case in point!! Well said x" Have you ever seen the results from reconstruction after major surgery? Sometimes they are worse than the boobs described above - there isn't always the tissue available to make a realistic breast and the decision is made to create one that is effective when dressed. The problem with this debate (for me) is that there is no way to distinguish who has surgery for 'vanity' and who has surgery for 'medical reasons'. The vanity could be body dysmorphia which can cause people to self harm, to self mutilate or even to suicide. How is this not a medical reason. As for someone who has surgery and is left with very obviously fake boobs, well if it's taken years to save up then she may just have to live with them till she has saved up for a further surgery. Or perhaps that was the look she was after - some people like the two tennis balls look. Or perhaps she was a woman with a mastectomy living in a society which does not allow her to leave her house without being symmetrical. Perhaps she was offered surgery and despite knowing that there was not enough tissue for a realistic breast she was sick and tired of having to pick outfits that didn't show her cleavage or of the weight of the prosthesis in her bra and wanted to be able to dress without thinking. Perhaps she is proud of her oddly shaped breasts, perhaps they are a war wound from a battle she is still fighting. Many of us have tragedy and hardships in our lives, but experiencing pain and grief has taught me more tolerance not less. I hope I never belittle another's pain in a very public manner as a social experiment. | |||
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"If they look like tennis balls stuck to a skinny body like some on fab it aint a good look. Case in point!! Well said x Have you ever seen the results from reconstruction after major surgery? Sometimes they are worse than the boobs described above - there isn't always the tissue available to make a realistic breast and the decision is made to create one that is effective when dressed. The problem with this debate (for me) is that there is no way to distinguish who has surgery for 'vanity' and who has surgery for 'medical reasons'. The vanity could be body dysmorphia which can cause people to self harm, to self mutilate or even to suicide. How is this not a medical reason. As for someone who has surgery and is left with very obviously fake boobs, well if it's taken years to save up then she may just have to live with them till she has saved up for a further surgery. Or perhaps that was the look she was after - some people like the two tennis balls look. Or perhaps she was a woman with a mastectomy living in a society which does not allow her to leave her house without being symmetrical. Perhaps she was offered surgery and despite knowing that there was not enough tissue for a realistic breast she was sick and tired of having to pick outfits that didn't show her cleavage or of the weight of the prosthesis in her bra and wanted to be able to dress without thinking. Perhaps she is proud of her oddly shaped breasts, perhaps they are a war wound from a battle she is still fighting. Many of us have tragedy and hardships in our lives, but experiencing pain and grief has taught me more tolerance not less. I hope I never belittle another's pain in a very public manner as a social experiment." | |||
"It's amazing you know that people can inadvertently reinforce a persons behaviour so much without even having a clue what they're doing. If you actually take a look at the types of threads the OP generally posts, they are tongue in cheek and sarcastic and are always controversial in nature. Why? To get a reaction!! He posts a comment (which by the way he's entitled to his opinion in exactly the same way you are, there isn't ever right and wrong on here, there's only differing sides to an argument). In exactly the way he knew it would, his comment provoked a heated debate. You all took the bait good and proper!! Why? Cos human behaviour is predictable. People jump on the band wagon and its the whole 'sheep mentality'. I defy any single one of you doogooders to try and convince me or yourselves that you have never in your life bitches about someone or made a comment about a person's appearance. It's the easiest thing in the world to have a go at someone else's opinion without looking at yourself first and asking if you've ever been guilty of the same crime. In the same way you criticise him for not knowing people's reasons for surgery or a woman's personal circumstances, you don't know the OP's either. His wife, his mum, his sister could have been through cancer for all you know. I actually know him well and know that he has had personal tragedy in his life that you guys could only ever imagine but everyone is so quick to jump and have a go. Ask yourself why he posted what he did, to get your reactions and you gave him it. You think he was sat worrying about what your opinions of his thread were? No. He was probably sat chuckling to himself that he'd started such a ruckus, laughing at the hypocracy of humans. If one of you can stand and say you've never ever had a bad word to say about anyone in your lives then fair enough have a go about someone having a controversial opinion but until that point, don't be such a hypocrite and sheep He's been through personal tragedy so he's allowed to behave like an arsehole and upset people who have already demonstrated they may be vulnerable? What rot. He's entitled to this opinion but there's absolutely no need to say it. There's nothing to be gained from it and it could do harm. Sometimes certain opinions should be kept to oneself. I'm not saying this because I'm a sheep - I'm perfectly happy to disagree with popular opinion and often do - but because this is what I actually think. It's akin to playground bullying to have a pop at the weaker and more vulnerable just for a laugh." | |||
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" To reiterate the point made by a previous poster, if you find the comment made by the OP offensive, just move on and turn a blind eye. " I disagree. Why the hell should I, or anyone else turn a blind eye to something distasteful and unkind?? This is a public forum, if I see something I consider wrong, I am entirely within my rights to speak up. My commenting had nothing to do with the mention of cancer as it happens, but solely because I am sick of this type of thread, it was a last straw. I don't care why the hell some women on here have their breasts enhanced, they do not deserve to get insulted for it, indeed, told if they're going to do it they should have got more expensive surgery so the result would be more to the OP's taste!! WTF!?!? It's no more acceptable to slate a man for having a small cock, of course not, NO-ONE deserves to be slated for their physical appearance, that's the point!! And on the contrary, every time the subject of cock size comes up men are reassured, I don't recall ever seeing ANY such slating, though threads ridiculing female genitalia abound - I remember the OP starting one of those too, it surprised me. It's quite misogynistic behaviour really, and no, I for one do not do it 'in real life' and will not collude with it here. | |||
" To reiterate the point made by a previous poster, if you find the comment made by the OP offensive, just move on and turn a blind eye. I disagree. Why the hell should I, or anyone else turn a blind eye to something distasteful and unkind?? This is a public forum, if I see something I consider wrong, I am entirely within my rights to speak up. My commenting had nothing to do with the mention of cancer as it happens, but solely because I am sick of this type of thread, it was a last straw. I don't care why the hell some women on here have their breasts enhanced, they do not deserve to get insulted for it, indeed, told if they're going to do it they should have got more expensive surgery so the result would be more to the OP's taste!! WTF!?!? It's no more acceptable to slate a man for having a small cock, of course not, NO-ONE deserves to be slated for their physical appearance, that's the point!! And on the contrary, every time the subject of cock size comes up men are reassured, I don't recall ever seeing ANY such slating, though threads ridiculing female genitalia abound - I remember the OP starting one of those too, it surprised me. It's quite misogynistic behaviour really, and no, I for one do not do it 'in real life' and will not collude with it here. " Funny how you now say your point wasn't at all related to the topic of cancer when your last post specifically mentioned that in great detail. Also funny how out of my whole post the only bit you picked out to contradict was the fact I said turn a blind eye if the topic offends you. Well in line with your views, I expect to see you taking an issue with most of the threads on this forum then because the vast majority are related to people's appearance. I'm surprised the one entitled 'rate the person above you' didn't catch your attention and warrant the same opinion to be quite honest. Anyway, like you yourself said, if I don't agree with something I'm perfectly within my rights to speak up. I hate to tell you this but there are no right or wrong answers on anything in life. There are only subjective opinions based on personal values, beliefs and learning experiences. That's what makes us all unique and what makes the world a more diverse interesting place. If we all shared the same opinion there wouldn't be a point to this forum would there? So I will bid you a good evening and look forward to your policing of all other controversial topics on here. You'll be busy | |||
" To reiterate the point made by a previous poster, if you find the comment made by the OP offensive, just move on and turn a blind eye. I disagree. Why the hell should I, or anyone else turn a blind eye to something distasteful and unkind?? This is a public forum, if I see something I consider wrong, I am entirely within my rights to speak up. My commenting had nothing to do with the mention of cancer as it happens, but solely because I am sick of this type of thread, it was a last straw. I don't care why the hell some women on here have their breasts enhanced, they do not deserve to get insulted for it, indeed, told if they're going to do it they should have got more expensive surgery so the result would be more to the OP's taste!! WTF!?!? It's no more acceptable to slate a man for having a small cock, of course not, NO-ONE deserves to be slated for their physical appearance, that's the point!! And on the contrary, every time the subject of cock size comes up men are reassured, I don't recall ever seeing ANY such slating, though threads ridiculing female genitalia abound - I remember the OP starting one of those too, it surprised me. It's quite misogynistic behaviour really, and no, I for one do not do it 'in real life' and will not collude with it here. Funny how you now say your point wasn't at all related to the topic of cancer when your last post specifically mentioned that in great detail. Also funny how out of my whole post the only bit you picked out to contradict was the fact I said turn a blind eye if the topic offends you. Well in line with your views, I expect to see you taking an issue with most of the threads on this forum then because the vast majority are related to people's appearance. I'm surprised the one entitled 'rate the person above you' didn't catch your attention and warrant the same opinion to be quite honest. Anyway, like you yourself said, if I don't agree with something I'm perfectly within my rights to speak up. I hate to tell you this but there are no right or wrong answers on anything in life. There are only subjective opinions based on personal values, beliefs and learning experiences. That's what makes us all unique and what makes the world a more diverse interesting place. If we all shared the same opinion there wouldn't be a point to this forum would there? So I will bid you a good evening and look forward to your policing of all other controversial topics on here. You'll be busy" Hear hear | |||
" Funny how you now say your point wasn't at all related to the topic of cancer when your last post specifically mentioned that in great detail. Also funny how out of my whole post the only bit you picked out to contradict was the fact I said turn a blind eye if the topic offends you. " And I start by quoting one or two sentences so as not to repeat the whole post again - they are rather long!! I disagree again - there are indeed moral absolutes. I never spoke at length about cancer and that was not the issue that motivated me, though I agreed with and quoted other people's posts that did - perhaps that's what you are thinking of? Yes, I disagree with a lot of the threads on here, sometimes I will speak up, other times not - I am under no obligation either way. If people want to voluntarily join in rating each other that is their choice, different kettle of fish entirely!! In general I don't even open the purely ego stroking threads, no, but they are harmless and not attacking anyone. | |||
" Funny how you now say your point wasn't at all related to the topic of cancer when your last post specifically mentioned that in great detail. Also funny how out of my whole post the only bit you picked out to contradict was the fact I said turn a blind eye if the topic offends you. And I start by quoting one or two sentences so as not to repeat the whole post again - they are rather long!! I disagree again - there are indeed moral absolutes. I never spoke at length about cancer and that was not the issue that motivated me, though I agreed with and quoted other people's posts that did - perhaps that's what you are thinking of? Yes, I disagree with a lot of the threads on here, sometimes I will speak up, other times not - I am under no obligation either way. If people want to voluntarily join in rating each other that is their choice, different kettle of fish entirely!! In general I don't even open the purely ego stroking threads, no, but they are harmless and not attacking anyone." 'Moral absolutes' as you call them are subject to culture and context and are therefore not fact. Morals can never be fact because they are subjective. But lets not even go there!! Yes my posts are long but least they're not repetitive. Well I am not posting into this thread again cos quite frankly it's boring the bejesus out of me now | |||
" 'Moral absolutes' as you call them are subject to culture and context and are therefore not fact. Morals can never be fact because they are subjective." I disagree. | |||
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"To reply to the two points above about body dysmorphia and reconstructive surgery due to breast cancer; Yes I have seen reconstructive surgery and have more experience of it than you probably do, having had 6 members of immediate family gone through breast cancer themselves. My mother in law has had full reconstruction after a double mastectomy plus ovary removal. Her breasts are incredible. They certainly do not look how some of them look on here because to take your point about there not being enough tissue etc, the surgeon takes this into account and constructs the right size breast for the persons frame, making them look realistic and appropriate for the person. My mother in law had to have hers reduced because initially they were too big and the skin wasn't able to cope with them so they are now slightly smaller than initially intended. In my opinion it is fairly obvious, by the shape of the breast, together with scarring (although this is limited because of how they perform the surgery) as to who has had surgery for reasons related to breast cancer and who has had it for 'vanity' reasons. But this thread was never meant for this topic. In terms of your point about body dysmorphia, I find it highly unlikely that a woman suffering from this would take nude photos of herself and post them in public galleries on a sex site. If by definition her confidence is low and she has issues with her physical appearance, would she really put herself out there in such a way and enhance her vulnerability? I think not in the vast majority of cases. Similarly with women having gone through breast cancer surgery, if they feel self conscious in any way, are they likely to put photos all over the Internet? No they're not. So the women we are referring to are likely to be the ones who have had 'breast enhancement' for vanity reasons just to enhance their figure in the same way lots of guys on here bulk themselves up and go to the gym daily to create a specific look. The same way us women wear make up and dress in particular ways, to make ourselves feel sexy etc. Therefore, we are not 'playground bullies' picking on people more vulnerable or the weak. We are referring to the women who have had the confidence to go through major surgery here, they're hardly weak. I couldn't go through such a major operation just to change my look. I certainly am not brave enough to endure such a procedure. So really, are the women weak and vulnerable? No they're not. They're confident and clued up enough to save up money, go to have the surgery done and then take naked photos for every Tom, Dick and Harry to look at. This isn't a site for the vulnerable or weak and the ones who are probably would keep their photos private and send to prospective meets rather than displaying them to 20,000 people. Look at the nature of what happens here: naked photos being sent to complete strangers, meeting people for sexual relations, leaving people feedback based on their performance and personality. This whole process takes confidence and guts!! Look at the target audience and you'll start to realise that the people you perceive we are 'picking on' do not need your protection or defence as they're more than capable of fending for themselves. To reiterate the point made by a previous poster, if you find the comment made by the OP offensive, just move on and turn a blind eye. People will always have differing opinions to you and they are more than entitled to share them. If you don't like them, just don't involve yourself with that person. This post got out of hand because of one persons comment at the start about breast cancer. Such a comment was misleading and irresponsible as that was not what was being referred to and the OP was somewhat misquoted. He does always post about controversial topics but at the end of the day there is something in every single topic on this forum that you could take offence at or argue against if you really wanted to. I've seen posts about TV/TS's, black guys, muscley guys, big cocks, small cocks, hairy versus shaved, escorts, bisexuals, naturists, redheads, virgins and the list goes on. All these topics have the potential to hurt or upset someone by potentially belittling them because of their sexual orientation, appearance, etc but not one of them has evoked as much debate. Why? Because its more socially acceptable to slate a guy for having a small dick than it is to slate a woman for having dodgy boobs? A guy with a small penis hasn't undergone surgery (that can be altered or reversed) and has no choice about the fact he isn't well endowed but its ok for us ladies to belittle him for something he can do nothing about as opposed to a woman who has made a choice to look the way she does and can reverse it? One of the posts at the beginning of this thread summed it up. She criticised the OP for having a small cock in response to his comment. Hypocracy at its absolute best and childish to say the least (you said something petty about girls so I'm going to say something petty about the size of your appendage). Not one person was outraged about what she said. Not one person other than myself commented on the thing she'd said. Why? Because it was a woman that said it not a guy, that's why and its seen as ok for a woman to make a shallow (and highly inaccurate) judgement about a guy based on his appearance. Or like you say, if it was a 'I'm doing to you what you did to others' then 2 wrongs don't make a right. I am merely pointing out the double standards that exist within our society and highlighting the flaws in the argument within this thread. The other interesting piece of information is related to a little bit of research I did. I just searched for any forum discussions referring to 'false tits' using the search option. You'll find 4 threads with this title. The other 3 have between 31-47 replies. This thread has 99. The reason? Because of pack mentality and jumping on the band wagon. One poster mentioned the 'C' word at the start and everyone jumped on it like a tonne of bricks. My point about 'herd behaviour' or mob mentality as its more commonly known, like i said several posts ago. One particular person, not the OP, took this thread down a particular route and everyone else dived in to chip in their two penneth because of another person starting a debate about cancer surgery. That was not even the topic of this thread. Talk about getting out of hand. I will not be labelled a playground bully for having an opinion on something and sharing that opinion in exactly the same way as people have done about numerous other emotive topics. Some topics are closer to people's hearts than others and some are seen as more socially acceptable than others but we are all entitled to have an opinion and to voice that opinion in whatever forum we like. It is up to the listener whether they choose to then ignore it or respond to it" tl; dr | |||
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"Well in line with your views, I expect to see you taking an issue with most of the threads on this forum then" "Anyway, like you yourself said, if I don't agree with something I'm perfectly within my rights to speak up." Quite. We're all entitled, within the rules, to agree or disagree with what we want to agree or disagree with. Unfortunately (for you) you don't have the option of deciding whether, or when, others turn a blind eye to posts they don't like. You didn't here, but you lecture that others should. Hypocrite much? You also don't get to decide that because someone speaks up against one thing, that they must the speak up against everything they disagree with. You can expect it, of course, but I'd advise you to prepare to deal with the disappointment of your expectation not being met. "I hate to tell you this but there are no right or wrong answers on anything in life. There are only subjective opinions based on personal values, beliefs and learning experiences." I hate to tell *you* but there are some absolutes in life, and some questions have very definite right and wrong answers. Some things are fact and are nothing to do with personal values or beliefs. You seem incapable of making unambiguous, or factually accurate, statements, so I see no point arguing with you. Anyone with an ounce of sense will see the absolute statement that there are no right or wrong answers in life, and that everything depends on personal values or beliefs, and know that any argument you put forward is very likely to be extremely flawed. You have shown an inability to understand the arguments put by others here and also that you cannot clearly and accurately express what you mean. Of course you'll now say "well obviously I didn't mean..." of "obviously I meant..." and accuse anyone of disagreeing of splitting hairs or perverting the course of the thread but the basic truth is that you cannot clearly express what you mean to say, which is why people misunderstand, if, indeed, they do. I'm not disputing your, or the OP's, right to hold whatever your opinion you, or he, like(s). However, I disagree with you both and think that you are both being very unpleasant by voicing it publicly and, particularly, in the manner that you have. You've not even had the decency to clarify that you did not have the intention to upset anyone, instead arguing that you don't believe anyone has been upset by this. I can tell you for a fact that you are wrong. The comments made by you and by the OP have upset women currently dealing with body dysmorphia and with the aftermath of cancer treatment. Far from being defensive and aggressive, you should be ashamed. I *hope* that everyone you and the OP have upset realises that your intolerant and judgemental attitudes are out-dated and reflect on you rather than on them. | |||
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