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Do you have to be atheist to swing?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Seen so many posts recently about cheaters and their lack of morals I have to ask:
How many people, not just 'singles', are religious?
And how does swinging affect your regions beliefs?
Before I get my head bitten off - I'm not judging anyone.
In my opinion - people can do what ever they want. It's my choice if I want to meet them or not. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I go to church and I'm on the PCC etc but I believe that if both parties are aware and happy with the situation, then go for it!
What I disagree with is our church warden making inappropriate comments to me behind his wife's back! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I go to church and I'm on the PCC etc but I believe that if both parties are aware and happy with the situation, then go for it!
What I disagree with is our church warden making inappropriate comments to me behind his wife's back!"
Does he/she know you swing then? |
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"I go to church and I'm on the PCC etc but I believe that if both parties are aware and happy with the situation, then go for it!
What I disagree with is our church warden making inappropriate comments to me behind his wife's back!
Does he/she know you swing then?"
No, he's just a creep!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"My morals have nothing to do with religion "
exactly.
i am not religious, V is catholic, however not devout or even practicing, more by birth.
having good values and knowing the difference between right and wrong, going through life not hurting people and being a decent human being, doesnt rely on any form of devotion to an unproven deity.
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I don't think religion and swinging mix. Fornicators and same sex relations are totally against christian beliefs.
I know that being a christian to some people is picking and choosing what works for them but if we were to take it literally lots of christians would be excommunicated, if they were found out..... |
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"having good values and knowing the difference between right and wrong, going through life not hurting people and being a decent human being, doesnt rely on any form of devotion to an unproven deity.
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I see your point - but religion is a pretty personal thing - so I guess there may be some 'sliding scales' involved..LOL!
I guess if someone is Christian - without being 'Born Again' - and wants to spice things up sexually they're entitled to. I met a lovely couple who were Christian, although their view was that 'everyone sins a bit' and their swinging wasn't hurting anyone unlike a lot of other behaviour ... I must say that trhey're one of the warmest and lovliest couples I've met - which translates into the bedroom  |
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"having good values and knowing the difference between right and wrong, going through life not hurting people and being a decent human being, doesnt rely on any form of devotion to an unproven deity.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't think religion and swinging mix. Fornicators and same sex relations are totally against christian beliefs.
I know that being a christian to some people is picking and choosing what works for them but if we were to take it literally lots of christians would be excommunicated, if they were found out....."
Totally agree with you. It's nice to see someone who actually knows what the Bible says for once. I am an atheist, but I'm happy to let people be religious, unless they just pick and choose what they want to believe. They either believe the Bible or they don't. Can't have it both ways. The only religion I've come across that actually have any integrity are Jehovah's Witnesses. The rest just make up whatever they want. |
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"I don't think religion and swinging mix. Fornicators and same sex relations are totally against christian beliefs.
I know that being a christian to some people is picking and choosing what works for them but if we were to take it literally lots of christians would be excommunicated, if they were found out.....
Totally agree with you. It's nice to see someone who actually knows what the Bible says for once. I am an atheist, but I'm happy to let people be religious, unless they just pick and choose what they want to believe. They either believe the Bible or they don't. Can't have it both ways. The only religion I've come across that actually have any integrity are Jehovah's Witnesses. The rest just make up whatever they want."
religion is not about picking and choosing which parts you believe and not, but actually about your own personal interpretation of what the bible says.
20 people can read a book (take the bible for what it is, a series of short stories that suggest moralities with which to lead a good life) and each of those 20 people will take something different from them all.
not 1 will see it the same way in absolution, so to say JW's have more integrity than any others, is somewhat astounding.
the religion that will happily let their relatives die by refusing blood transfusions, even though 'gad' has given them the ability to be able to survive, and many other inconsistencies which make all religions, imho, a balmpot solution to lifes little trials and tribulations |
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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago
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It depends how lightly a person takes their beliefs & if they feel they can go against their religious teachings.
We have meet Muslims Christians & Jewish people for swinging fun, none of these should be swinging as its totally against their scriptures but the choice is theirs & theirs only.
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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago
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I gave up being a Jehovah's Witnesses which I was for 20 years because I wanted to do all these naughty things which tempted me, I couldn't be an Hippocrate & carry on as normal so I had no choice but to leave or be dis-fellowshipped as a Witnesses if or when they found out.
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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago
Clacton on sea, Essex |
The daily Newspapers crucified me 3 years after with their "Porn again sex bomb" story giving all my details of my old church life, I felt better that i did leave when i did as some of my family are still witnesses.
People worry about their jobs & swinging but religion comes back & bites you on the arse far worse. |
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There are atheists who feel it is not moral to swing and there are those who feel a deity may exist who do swing .
Now can you label yourself as being a member of a particular religions who's rules are contrary to the swinging ethos that's a different question entirely |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't think religion and swinging mix. Fornicators and same sex relations are totally against christian beliefs."
And you really think that stops them? |
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"I don't think religion and swinging mix. Fornicators and same sex relations are totally against christian beliefs.
And you really think that stops them?"
No it doesn't.....but surely if you were a practising christian it should......why bother being a hypocrite? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't think religion and swinging mix. Fornicators and same sex relations are totally against christian beliefs.
And you really think that stops them?
No it doesn't.....but surely if you were a practising christian it should......why bother being a hypocrite?"
Well, you're right - it should! Of late, I've lost count of how many practising so-called men of God have been in the news for sex-related crimes! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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As for being a swinger needing to be an atheist depends on your definition of a swinger, is it someone who has multiple partners at the same time, a couple who freely meet other couples or singles for sex, 4 single people who meet together just for sex? as being on a site like this or off it meeting others for sex married or not doesn't need any religious or non religious leanings just consenting adults!!
Anyway Religion is a money making fear based archaic way of thinking full stop, no ifs or buts or maybe's.
Look at the catholic church's cynical invasion of developing countries so the vatican can keep in business, and the alpha course in british churches praying on the weak minded and vulnerable making millions for the owner of the brand!!
I'm an atheist as are most britons today as they never goto church and only pick and choose as others have said the bits of the bible and are hedging their bets pretending to believe in god as afraid to come out and say what they really believe.
So either way you have sex with strangers or friends doesn't matter what you believe in its a lifestyle, and an in-built enjoyable thing to do regardless of any moral or immoral values put onto you by yourself or todays society.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't think religion and swinging mix. Fornicators and same sex relations are totally against christian beliefs.
I know that being a christian to some people is picking and choosing what works for them but if we were to take it literally lots of christians would be excommunicated, if they were found out.....
Totally agree with you. It's nice to see someone who actually knows what the Bible says for once. I am an atheist, but I'm happy to let people be religious, unless they just pick and choose what they want to believe. They either believe the Bible or they don't. Can't have it both ways. The only religion I've come across that actually have any integrity are Jehovah's Witnesses. The rest just make up whatever they want.
religion is not about picking and choosing which parts you believe and not, but actually about your own personal interpretation of what the bible says.
20 people can read a book (take the bible for what it is, a series of short stories that suggest moralities with which to lead a good life) and each of those 20 people will take something different from them all.
not 1 will see it the same way in absolution, so to say JW's have more integrity than any others, is somewhat astounding.
the religion that will happily let their relatives die by refusing blood transfusions, even though 'gad' has given them the ability to be able to survive, and many other inconsistencies which make all religions, imho, a balmpot solution to lifes little trials and tribulations"
I totally agree with your comment about interpretation. As I Christian I support gay marriage/same sex relationships because my personal faith believes in love, not hate, and denying someone their love is hate in my book! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Christianity invented swingin .... Everyone's heard the story aboot Joseph the joiner and Mary the swinger ....  "
Not forgetting Jesus and his 12 swinger mates. 'Gangbang squad' |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"think there must be thousands of religious people swinging because every club weve been to theres always some one shouting for god or christ  "
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Look I don't think god is anti people having fun ! My god isn't anyway  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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if you take the bible at its word, the human race was started with Adam and Eve.
2 people.
1 man
1 woman
they had 2 sons
Kane and Abel.
thats 3 men and 1 woman.
how did they have kids?
does the bible now promote incest?
i dont know.
have managed to get through life without killing anyone and never reading it. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"if you take the bible at its word, the human race was started with Adam and Eve.
2 people.
1 man
1 woman
they had 2 sons
Kane and Abel.
thats 3 men and 1 woman.
how did they have kids?
does the bible now promote incest?
i dont know.
have managed to get through life without killing anyone and never reading it."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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What an excellent thread this OP has raised. It ought to be debated on the big questions on a Sunday morning. Somehow I doubt if it ever will.
My own personal opinion is no you should not be a practicing Christian or any of the other religions that specifically say though shalt not or whatever. It strikes me as being very hypocritical but....... I can't say I've ever raised the issue with people we've met and would never ever do so but I suppose it would make for an interesting conversation. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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And I was just about to write to Newsnight. Lol
I wouldn't ask anyone I meet either.
If they want to tell me some of their personal business then i'll listen, but private lives are just that, 'private'.
I seen so many people on here judge others, and wondered how many were religious. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The lines are blurred for me on this one.
If we say people who are religious shouldn't be swinging as it's hypocritical, then atheists shouldn't be taking time off during recognised religious holidays (Christmas and Easter) and using religious institutions like Marriage as this is hypocritical as they have religious origins. I'm sure someone published a book exploring such issues.
I was raised under the catholic faith but haven't set foot in a church in years and don't practise simply because I don't measure people by strength of faith but of character and all religions more or less share the same concepts with individual variations so I just keep an open mind.
Personally, I wouldn't pull someone up on being religious and swinging as it should be more spiritual than lifestyle based. Plus, since most people are discreet about the lives they lead on this site, is it really our business what they do?  |
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"The lines are blurred for me on this one.
If we say people who are religious shouldn't be swinging as it's hypocritical, then atheists shouldn't be taking time off during recognised religious holidays (Christmas and Easter) and using religious institutions like Marriage as this is hypocritical as they have religious origins. I'm sure someone published a book exploring such issues.
I was raised under the catholic faith but haven't set foot in a church in years and don't practise simply because I don't measure people by strength of faith but of character and all religions more or less share the same concepts with individual variations so I just keep an open mind.
Personally, I wouldn't pull someone up on being religious and swinging as it should be more spiritual than lifestyle based. Plus, since most people are discreet about the lives they lead on this site, is it really our business what they do? "
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By (user no longer on site)
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Strictly speaking an atheist is someone who denies the existence of a God or Gods. Religion is however just a man made social control mechanism, predicated on the belief in the existence of a supreme being, which seeks to use peoples fears of the unknown and need for explanations to generate control mechanisms.
A God will exist, or not, independent of if there is any religion recognising it. As a consequence a god believer can be a swinger but a true religious person probably not because most of the religions use the control of the natural urge to have sex as a cornerstone of their control mechanisms.
Disclaimer: This is not meant to belittle persons who have faith. In the absence of a any god openly and obviously being involved in our daily lives Religions have sought to fill that gap. |
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"Seen so many posts recently about cheaters and their lack of morals I have to ask:
How many people, not just 'singles', are religious?
And how does swinging affect your regions beliefs?
Before I get my head bitten off - I'm not judging anyone.
In my opinion - people can do what ever they want. It's my choice if I want to meet them or not. "
agree 100% as to religion we know several different religion people that swing |
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"Seen so many posts recently about cheaters and their lack of morals I have to ask:
How many people, not just 'singles', are religious?
And how does swinging affect your regions beliefs?
Before I get my head bitten off - I'm not judging anyone.
In my opinion - people can do what ever they want. It's my choice if I want to meet them or not. "
if we have sinned we got to church for our forgiveness, didn't see anything in the Bible about not having fun |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Some people seem to take from religion what suits them - I find that strange -you either believe or don't believe - surely.
You don't have to be religious to have morals - correct, but the bible (etc.) Is much about teaching morals and telling you how you should lead your life. Personally I know right from wrong thank you.
Going to church and asking for forgiveness is fine, but knowingly committing the same sin again shouldn't be forgiven - surely.
someone mentioned religious holidays like easter. Check your history. Easter was not Catholic/Christian - easter or as it should be 'Ishtar' was taken by these religions. Ishtar was a goddess of love, war, sex and fertility - which is where to giving of eggs originates (a sign of fertility).
Let's also remember that marriage and partnerships have been around a lot longer than religion.
My point is - enjoy life and enjoy what it has to give - not what was written thousands of years ago.
I hope I haven't bored you all. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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No not bored me at all, I Think it's been a good thread by a thoughtful person and people have contributed many valid points of view.
Takes all sorts to make a world doesn't it and there are more and more points of view as the human race grows and grows. There are now over 7 billion different points of view or potential points of view aren't there.
No wonder there's fighting going on in some part of the world or other which is a bit sad isn't it. |
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Perhaps someone could point me in the direction of the verse in the Bible that prohibits swinging? I've only seen prohibitions on adultery, and I think the vast majority of couples on here wouldn't class what they're doing as adultery.
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I'm not religious but...
I don't understand these people who say "I'm not religious, but I think that people who pick and choose are being inconsistent".
It's a bit like vanilla people telling a swinger what they can and can't do! |
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We knew a female CofE vicar who wore a badge saying "fuckable" and danced nude around the fire at a festival campsite. Don't think she was actually a swinger, but she was putting herself about a bit!
If you're not an atheist, though, Jehovah or Allah will get you, for sure.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The poster makes an interesting point here. Just looked it up in Wikipedia and it does seem to be a bit woolly about it, though there is mention of stones and chucking a few at you if you are a bit naughty.
Also If you covet another man's wife with lustful thoughts aren't you straight away breaking another one of those 10 commandment thingies. However that's old testament so does that count if you are a christian. Arrghhhhh get's complicated doesn't it |
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"Some people seem to take from religion what suits them - I find that strange -you either believe or don't believe - surely.
You don't have to be religious to have morals - correct, but the bible (etc.) Is much about teaching morals and telling you how you should lead your life. Personally I know right from wrong thank you.
Going to church and asking for forgiveness is fine, but knowingly committing the same sin again shouldn't be forgiven - surely.
someone mentioned religious holidays like easter. Check your history. Easter was not Catholic/Christian - easter or as it should be 'Ishtar' was taken by these religions. Ishtar was a goddess of love, war, sex and fertility - which is where to giving of eggs originates (a sign of fertility).
Let's also remember that marriage and partnerships have been around a lot longer than religion.
My point is - enjoy life and enjoy what it has to give - not what was written thousands of years ago.
I hope I haven't bored you all. "
Not at all.
Ishtar huh? Another goddess. Falls into religious origins - surely. 
It's always going to about interpretation. People hear and see want they want to hear and see. Maybe that's one of the reasons why people get annoyed.
As I mentioned, I wouldn't pull anyone up on being religious and a member of this site. As long as they're not doing anything illegal, then there's no issue. I would rarely ask someone what they do for a living as it's irrelevant to the reason why we met. For me, religious and political views fall into the same category. Of course, you have to have things in common but there are so many fun things you could talk about and share instead. |
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I'm not remotely religious; but I'm not an atheist either. I'm what one calls a deist; that is, someone who thinks there is a god (though I certainly don't think its a old bloke with a beard) that started everything off, but doesn't interfere directly with the workings of the universe and certainly not individual human beings.
As such, I don't think such a god would be particularly bothered about what human beings get up to in their private lives. I therefore don't see any issue as regards swinging |
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"I don't think religion and swinging mix. Fornicators and same sex relations are totally against christian beliefs.
I know that being a christian to some people is picking and choosing what works for them but if we were to take it literally lots of christians would be excommunicated, if they were found out.....
Totally agree with you. It's nice to see someone who actually knows what the Bible says for once. I am an atheist, but I'm happy to let people be religious, unless they just pick and choose what they want to believe. They either believe the Bible or they don't. Can't have it both ways. The only religion I've come across that actually have any integrity are Jehovah's Witnesses. The rest just make up whatever they want."
Depends on how you interpret the bible I guess, angels falling from grace because the want to fuck women, gods main man (David) having his best friend and leader of his army killed because he fancied his wife. Judah fucking a prostitute (who turns out to be his daughter in law). Don't think promiscuity precludes religion.
No I'm not a religious nut, but I have done a lot of research. If god, nature, the universe whatever you want to call it didn't want me to have sex, I wouldn't have been given these desires.
Here endeth the sermon lol |
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"I don't think religion and swinging mix. Fornicators and same sex relations are totally against christian beliefs.
I know that being a christian to some people is picking and choosing what works for them but if we were to take it literally lots of christians would be excommunicated, if they were found out.....
Totally agree with you. It's nice to see someone who actually knows what the Bible says for once. I am an atheist, but I'm happy to let people be religious, unless they just pick and choose what they want to believe. They either believe the Bible or they don't. Can't have it both ways. The only religion I've come across that actually have any integrity are Jehovah's Witnesses. The rest just make up whatever they want."
and what does the rest of the bible say? Just quoting bits about why we cant do things, typically people miss the parts where Christians offer forgiveness, make our own mind in the eyes of God etc? |
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and what does the rest of the bible say? Just quoting bits about why we cant do things, typically people miss the parts where Christians offer forgiveness, make our own mind in the eyes of God etc?"
The Bible, and in fact all the mainstream religions, forbid/condemn/advise against sex outside of committed relationships, full stop.
So followers of any religion may choose to swing/have casual sex, but in my opinion they have to accept they are not 'following' at that point! ! |
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