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over a year ago
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This should be an interesting thread. No not church goers and cannot really see how you could reconcile swinging with being a practising Christian or most other main stream religions for that matter. |
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"Are there any church nembers that swing?"
Any God always forgives his children , and understands our ways and faults . If he doesn't forgive or understand he is not a god
That's my view |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"This should be an interesting thread. No not church goers and cannot really see how you could reconcile swinging with being a practising Christian or most other main stream religions for that matter. "
It's hard to see how anyone can reconcile abusing children with being a practising Christian, yet many manage it. |
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We do not see a conflict here between being a Christian and being a swinger.
What is sinful about swinging? There are no lies, there is no deceit, pleasure is being given to all concerned, no harm is caused, and it is not adulterous for the above reasons.
Under the banner of love thy neighbour and to treat others as you wish to be treated yourself, swinging in many ways seems a very Christian act.
We certainly feel no guilt from the pleasure we give and receive. It also makes our own relationship much more loving, closer, and trusting. Something the church tries to achieve but often fails. |
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"We do not see a conflict here between being a Christian and being a swinger.
What is sinful about swinging? There are no lies, there is no deceit, pleasure is being given to all concerned, no harm is caused, and it is not adulterous for the above reasons.
Under the banner of love thy neighbour and to treat others as you wish to be treated yourself, swinging in many ways seems a very Christian act.
We certainly feel no guilt from the pleasure we give and receive. It also makes our own relationship much more loving, closer, and trusting. Something the church tries to achieve but often fails."
Really? Have a quiet word with your vicar/priest/minister and see if he/she agrees with your sentiments. |
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"We do not see a conflict here between being a Christian and being a swinger.
What is sinful about swinging? There are no lies, there is no deceit, pleasure is being given to all concerned, no harm is caused, and it is not adulterous for the above reasons.
Under the banner of love thy neighbour and to treat others as you wish to be treated yourself, swinging in many ways seems a very Christian act.
We certainly feel no guilt from the pleasure we give and receive. It also makes our own relationship much more loving, closer, and trusting. Something the church tries to achieve but often fails.
Really? Have a quiet word with your vicar/priest/minister and see if he/she agrees with your sentiments. "
Vicars/priests/ministers hid years of institutional child abuse in the church, that's not very Christian so I don't think those people have any right to comment on consenting adults spreading joy and fun....rant over  |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"We do not see a conflict here between being a Christian and being a swinger.
What is sinful about swinging? There are no lies, there is no deceit, pleasure is being given to all concerned, no harm is caused, and it is not adulterous for the above reasons.
Under the banner of love thy neighbour and to treat others as you wish to be treated yourself, swinging in many ways seems a very Christian act.
We certainly feel no guilt from the pleasure we give and receive. It also makes our own relationship much more loving, closer, and trusting. Something the church tries to achieve but often fails."
Swinging is, however, about having sex with someone you're not married too. I doubt many churches approve of that.
Them there's safe sex. Frowned upon by some faiths.
That's before we start on same gender sex. |
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"Can't really call yourself a good (religious) person if you are a FORNICATOR as thats against must religious rules"
That word in New Testament Greek refers to vicious sexual crime : listed as one of only three forbiddens given to the first churches (Book of Acts) : namely, abstain from drinking blood (as was/is common pagan practice), abstain from eating things strangled or mutilated (as in pagan ritual), and abstain from fornication, or serious sexual crime (as in pagan practice). No other burdens are imposed upon the Christian other than one single commandment : LOVE. |
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"We do not see a conflict here between being a Christian and being a swinger.
What is sinful about swinging? There are no lies, there is no deceit, pleasure is being given to all concerned, no harm is caused, and it is not adulterous for the above reasons.
Under the banner of love thy neighbour and to treat others as you wish to be treated yourself, swinging in many ways seems a very Christian act.
We certainly feel no guilt from the pleasure we give and receive. It also makes our own relationship much more loving, closer, and trusting. Something the church tries to achieve but often fails.
Really? Have a quiet word with your vicar/priest/minister and see if he/she agrees with your sentiments.
Vicars/priests/ministers hid years of institutional child abuse in the church, that's not very Christian so I don't think those people have any right to comment on consenting adults spreading joy and fun....rant over "
We agree. Religious clergy and institutions have frequently proved themselves not to be the bastions of our moral health, not that what we do as swingers is immoral under any definition that we are aware of. I (the male half) had a very 'Christian' upbringing. In my experience there are some very nasty hypocritical people that go to church regularly and profess to be a Christian because of it whom I would not trust or wish to be associated with. However in the swinging world we have met far more totally honest, open, lovely people whom we totally trust. Who are the real 'Christians'? |
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"We do not see a conflict here between being a Christian and being a swinger.
What is sinful about swinging? There are no lies, there is no deceit, pleasure is being given to all concerned, no harm is caused, and it is not adulterous for the above reasons.
Under the banner of love thy neighbour and to treat others as you wish to be treated yourself, swinging in many ways seems a very Christian act.
We certainly feel no guilt from the pleasure we give and receive. It also makes our own relationship much more loving, closer, and trusting. Something the church tries to achieve but often fails.
Really? Have a quiet word with your vicar/priest/minister and see if he/she agrees with your sentiments.
Vicars/priests/ministers hid years of institutional child abuse in the church, that's not very Christian so I don't think those people have any right to comment on consenting adults spreading joy and fun....rant over
We agree. Religious clergy and institutions have frequently proved themselves not to be the bastions of our moral health, not that what we do as swingers is immoral under any definition that we are aware of. I (the male half) had a very 'Christian' upbringing. In my experience there are some very nasty hypocritical people that go to church regularly and profess to be a Christian because of it whom I would not trust or wish to be associated with. However in the swinging world we have met far more totally honest, open, lovely people whom we totally trust. Who are the real 'Christians'?"
I too had a religious upbringing and now would probably describe myself as agnostic.
You'd be hard pressed to find anyone more vociferous than me when it comes to the hypocrisy of some people who regularly practice their faith, of organised religion in general and particularly the protection of paedophile priests.
Having said all that I sincerely doubt there are any of the major religions that would sanction a swinging lifestyle.
You're doing what others have done for millennia, which is interpreting scriptures/holy books etc to fit in with what you wish to do and thereby justify it and salve your 'soul'. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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What is sinful about swinging? There are no lies, there is no deceit, pleasure is being given to all concerned, no harm is caused, and it is not adulterous for the above reasons.
Are you serious?
Maybe you have not been lied to on this site? I am very open minded and non judgemental but have you ever spoken to your vicar or head of church and got his/her opinion?
We are all sinners and I used to be a regular church girl and there are plenty of hypocrites in each and every church. I still have my faith, I just don't practise it. Maybe one day I shall return. But it does not sit comfortably with me to be on a swing site,(yet not swinging as I only meet 121)and attend church, so stopped attending church. |
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"We do not see a conflict here between being a Christian and being a swinger.
What is sinful about swinging? There are no lies, there is no deceit, pleasure is being given to all concerned, no harm is caused, and it is not adulterous for the above reasons.
Under the banner of love thy neighbour and to treat others as you wish to be treated yourself, swinging in many ways seems a very Christian act.
We certainly feel no guilt from the pleasure we give and receive. It also makes our own relationship much more loving, closer, and trusting. Something the church tries to achieve but often fails.
Really? Have a quiet word with your vicar/priest/minister and see if he/she agrees with your sentiments.
Vicars/priests/ministers hid years of institutional child abuse in the church, that's not very Christian so I don't think those people have any right to comment on consenting adults spreading joy and fun....rant over
We agree. Religious clergy and institutions have frequently proved themselves not to be the bastions of our moral health, not that what we do as swingers is immoral under any definition that we are aware of. I (the male half) had a very 'Christian' upbringing. In my experience there are some very nasty hypocritical people that go to church regularly and profess to be a Christian because of it whom I would not trust or wish to be associated with. However in the swinging world we have met far more totally honest, open, lovely people whom we totally trust. Who are the real 'Christians'?
I too had a religious upbringing and now would probably describe myself as agnostic.
You'd be hard pressed to find anyone more vociferous than me when it comes to the hypocrisy of some people who regularly practice their faith, of organised religion in general and particularly the protection of paedophile priests.
Having said all that I sincerely doubt there are any of the major religions that would sanction a swinging lifestyle.
You're doing what others have done for millennia, which is interpreting scriptures/holy books etc to fit in with what you wish to do and thereby justify it and salve your 'soul'."
Are not the scriptures and holy books merely interpretations themselves, mankind written often aeons after the events? They have no more truth then I do. I believe Christianity or any other religion is more to do with the way we live our lives and treat others, than to do with following a man-made doctrine. |
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"What is sinful about swinging? There are no lies, there is no deceit, pleasure is being given to all concerned, no harm is caused, and it is not adulterous for the above reasons.
Are you serious?
Maybe you have not been lied to on this site? I am very open minded and non judgemental but have you ever spoken to your vicar or head of church and got his/her opinion?
We are all sinners and I used to be a regular church girl and there are plenty of hypocrites in each and every church. I still have my faith, I just don't practise it. Maybe one day I shall return. But it does not sit comfortably with me to be on a swing site,(yet not swinging as I only meet 121)and attend church, so stopped attending church."
Yes I am serious. Yes of course we have been lied to on this site, as we do get lied to in every aspect of society. However we have found that most people we have met on here are far more 'Christian' than we have met in any other scenario. Who says we are all sinners? The concept of Original Sin comes from Pope Augustus, not from the bible or God. It is man made doctrine imposed upon us in order to attempt to control us. |
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"We do not see a conflict here between being a Christian and being a swinger.
What is sinful about swinging? There are no lies, there is no deceit, pleasure is being given to all concerned, no harm is caused, and it is not adulterous for the above reasons.
Under the banner of love thy neighbour and to treat others as you wish to be treated yourself, swinging in many ways seems a very Christian act.
We certainly feel no guilt from the pleasure we give and receive. It also makes our own relationship much more loving, closer, and trusting. Something the church tries to achieve but often fails.
Really? Have a quiet word with your vicar/priest/minister and see if he/she agrees with your sentiments.
Vicars/priests/ministers hid years of institutional child abuse in the church, that's not very Christian so I don't think those people have any right to comment on consenting adults spreading joy and fun....rant over
We agree. Religious clergy and institutions have frequently proved themselves not to be the bastions of our moral health, not that what we do as swingers is immoral under any definition that we are aware of. I (the male half) had a very 'Christian' upbringing. In my experience there are some very nasty hypocritical people that go to church regularly and profess to be a Christian because of it whom I would not trust or wish to be associated with. However in the swinging world we have met far more totally honest, open, lovely people whom we totally trust. Who are the real 'Christians'?
I too had a religious upbringing and now would probably describe myself as agnostic.
You'd be hard pressed to find anyone more vociferous than me when it comes to the hypocrisy of some people who regularly practice their faith, of organised religion in general and particularly the protection of paedophile priests.
Having said all that I sincerely doubt there are any of the major religions that would sanction a swinging lifestyle.
You're doing what others have done for millennia, which is interpreting scriptures/holy books etc to fit in with what you wish to do and thereby justify it and salve your 'soul'.
Are not the scriptures and holy books merely interpretations themselves, mankind written often aeons after the events? They have no more truth then I do. I believe Christianity or any other religion is more to do with the way we live our lives and treat others, than to do with following a man-made doctrine."
Agreed. But my point is the basic ethos of any of the major religions would not condone swinging.
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"I have seen a priest on here... No word of a lie lol"
We would have far more respect and faith in a priest who was openly a swinger and enjoyed life than we would have in any priest that was chaste or practising celebacy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I get very religious when I'm about to blow my spuds - ohhhhhhhhh god!!!!!
One of the horniness and filthiest women I ever met was 15 years older than me and she attends church regularly. I don't but we never saw that as a problem |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"I have seen a priest on here... No word of a lie lol
We would have far more respect and faith in a priest who was openly a swinger and enjoyed life than we would have in any priest that was chaste or practising celebacy."
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"We do not see a conflict here between being a Christian and being a swinger.
What is sinful about swinging? There are no lies, there is no deceit, pleasure is being given to all concerned, no harm is caused, and it is not adulterous for the above reasons.
Under the banner of love thy neighbour and to treat others as you wish to be treated yourself, swinging in many ways seems a very Christian act.
We certainly feel no guilt from the pleasure we give and receive. It also makes our own relationship much more loving, closer, and trusting. Something the church tries to achieve but often fails.
Really? Have a quiet word with your vicar/priest/minister and see if he/she agrees with your sentiments.
Vicars/priests/ministers hid years of institutional child abuse in the church, that's not very Christian so I don't think those people have any right to comment on consenting adults spreading joy and fun....rant over
We agree. Religious clergy and institutions have frequently proved themselves not to be the bastions of our moral health, not that what we do as swingers is immoral under any definition that we are aware of. I (the male half) had a very 'Christian' upbringing. In my experience there are some very nasty hypocritical people that go to church regularly and profess to be a Christian because of it whom I would not trust or wish to be associated with. However in the swinging world we have met far more totally honest, open, lovely people whom we totally trust. Who are the real 'Christians'?
I too had a religious upbringing and now would probably describe myself as agnostic.
You'd be hard pressed to find anyone more vociferous than me when it comes to the hypocrisy of some people who regularly practice their faith, of organised religion in general and particularly the protection of paedophile priests.
Having said all that I sincerely doubt there are any of the major religions that would sanction a swinging lifestyle.
You're doing what others have done for millennia, which is interpreting scriptures/holy books etc to fit in with what you wish to do and thereby justify it and salve your 'soul'.
Are not the scriptures and holy books merely interpretations themselves, mankind written often aeons after the events? They have no more truth then I do. I believe Christianity or any other religion is more to do with the way we live our lives and treat others, than to do with following a man-made doctrine.
Agreed. But my point is the basic ethos of any of the major religions would not condone swinging.
We agree and take your point, however we think that most religious ethos is man created, not God created.
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Are not the scriptures and holy books merely interpretations themselves, mankind written often aeons after the events? They have no more truth then I do. I believe Christianity or any other religion is more to do with the way we live our lives and treat others, than to do with following a man-made doctrine.
Agreed. But my point is the basic ethos of any of the major religions would not condone swinging.
We agree and take your point, however we think that most religious ethos is man created, not God created.
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Of course they are created by man. Are you suggesting if God existed He'd give a celestial thumbs up to swinging? If so, I'm curious as to how you arrive at that conclusion because any conclusion you did arrive at would be based purely on your opinion, and not that of a recognised religion. |
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Are not the scriptures and holy books merely interpretations themselves, mankind written often aeons after the events? They have no more truth then I do. I believe Christianity or any other religion is more to do with the way we live our lives and treat others, than to do with following a man-made doctrine.
Agreed. But my point is the basic ethos of any of the major religions would not condone swinging.
We agree and take your point, however we think that most religious ethos is man created, not God created.
Of course they are created by man. Are you suggesting if God existed He'd give a celestial thumbs up to swinging? If so, I'm curious as to how you arrive at that conclusion because any conclusion you did arrive at would be based purely on your opinion, and not that of a recognised religion."
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I think maybe he would. After all there are not many animal species that are monogamous. Is not all religion opinion and interpretation? Where are the Primary Sources that would convince me otherwise. Even the Bible and the Koran are just opinion and interpretation. |
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The concept of Original Sin comes from Pope Augustus, not from the bible or God.
My belief and teaching is different to you and if I were to explain my reasons, that is going to be a different subject matter all together. |
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"The concept of Original Sin comes from Pope Augustus, not from the bible or God.
My belief and teaching is different to you and if I were to explain my reasons, that is going to be a different subject matter all together."
We fully accept that. That is why this topic has been so fascinating. Regardless of our own views we fully respect those of others and accept them.
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By (user no longer on site)
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Not that it matters to me but my boss is a Christian and he plays away all the time. Everyone seems to know, even friends of his at the church he goes to and, to my knowledge, no one openly cristises him for it (apart from his wife and children that is)
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By (user no longer on site)
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Surely religion is a personal choice. If you're a Christian and a swinger good luck to you. It makes me sad that people are judged on religion, sexuality, colour, or creed! |
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"It seems Time Magazine has named the Pope as Man of the Year.
The year must be 1513."
shocking
how anyone can look at the pope with anything apart from ridicule is beyond me.
the whole catholic religion needs updating way past anything they would even consider |
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By *opinovMan
over a year ago
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Smuttiness is a bit of a reccurring theme in Christianity - after all, even Mary Magdalene was a ho.
Apparently, Pope Joan wasn't averse to a bit of playing around either - until a crowd stoned her to death for giving birth in the middle of a major ceremony... which wasn't very nice. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"It seems Time Magazine has named the Pope as Man of the Year.
The year must be 1513.
shocking
how anyone can look at the pope with anything apart from ridicule is beyond me.
the whole catholic religion needs updating way past anything they would even consider "
It isn't just the Catholics. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Think of religion much like ur doctor...we dont always follow their instructions, but they allow us back...perhaps to preach more...
If flames start igniting as a swinger walks into a church, then perhaps they could be turned away
Some on this thread are making out that you cant pray(it might not be forgiveness because of ur sexual life),it could be u have an open heart about family,friends,strangers
Those who believe in nothing?- are u a psychopath?- I doubt u'd refuse to help someone/something based on the fact nothing really matters in the grand scale of the cosmos
there is room for most spectrums that dont need ridiculed, religious or not. |
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Are not the scriptures and holy books merely interpretations themselves, mankind written often aeons after the events? They have no more truth then I do. I believe Christianity or any other religion is more to do with the way we live our lives and treat others, than to do with following a man-made doctrine.
Agreed. But my point is the basic ethos of any of the major religions would not condone swinging.
We agree and take your point, however we think that most religious ethos is man created, not God created.
Of course they are created by man. Are you suggesting if God existed He'd give a celestial thumbs up to swinging? If so, I'm curious as to how you arrive at that conclusion because any conclusion you did arrive at would be based purely on your opinion, and not that of a recognised religion..
I think maybe he would. After all there are not many animal species that are monogamous. Is not all religion opinion and interpretation? Where are the Primary Sources that would convince me otherwise. Even the Bible and the Koran are just opinion and interpretation."
But he's supposed to have made man in his own image, not that of animals.
Anyway, seeing as you think you know what he wants (if he actually exists) and none of the current faiths agree with you, perhaps you'd best start your own swinging based religion. After all, the scientologists have done very well for themselves in such a short space of time. |
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Someone once said they never talked about politics , religion or sex. Looks like we've got two out of three here. There's still time though for someone to mention a religous politician who swings I guess. |
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"Someone once said they never talked about politics , religion or sex. Looks like we've got two out of three here. There's still time though for someone to mention a religous politician who swings I guess."
Looking at the pics of Cameron, Obama and the Danish PM in a certain red top it looks like a 3-some could have been on the cards. Michelle did not look happy. No she did not... |
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Probably...I mean look at some of the lyrics to the hymns....
'....and scatter our seed upon the ground...'
,.....the purple headed mountain....'
Hmmmmmm.
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By (user no longer on site)
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I was raised a Christian but through life I have lost faith. Surely though no matter what god you believe in, if god was all so great and good, he would want you to be happy??????
If swinging makes you happy then so be it. |
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I don't think religion can really be called upon as a barometer of what's acceptable or not when it is responsible for most wars, terrorist atrocities and hatred on this earth.
Swinging is about fun and enjoyment, if we all fucked instead of fought maybe we would live in a more peaceful world. |
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Down in some parts of the West Country signposts used to be called "parsons" - because parsons point the way to go, but don't go there themselves!
Apparently Martin Luther King loved orgies, sure many churchmen and women do, and why not? It's well known many Church of England vicars are gay - and look at Reverend Flowers, the gay druggie Methodist. |
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Having said all that I sincerely doubt there are any of the major religions that would sanction a swinging lifestyle.
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Of course not, nsa is incompatible with the teaching of mainstream religions and that just has to be accepted even if we believe it is OK for us personally. As my ex used to say, some religions teach you can have one wife, some several, but none says you can have any woman you want! |
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I think it is wortb noting that exoteric religions (religions for the masses) were created to control the behaviour of masses of people based on a set of stories and beliefs. Wheras esoteric spiritual practice (religion for the few) often incorporated sexual rituals as a way of expeiencing the One. All exotric religions were born out of esoteric spirituality......there maybe religious conflicts with swinging but certainly no spiritual ones |
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Thought that swingers were supposed to be open minded, so surely would not believe in Father Christmas, The Tooth Fairy and God, or Allah for that matter..
Of course, we Amish Swingers have got it right!! |
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