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By *ong-legged-diva OP   TV/TS  over a year ago

Fleetwood

Not exactly a racist term, but a sudaneese guy I lived with came out with this

"I've got brown hair, brown skin, brown eyes, brown lips. You white guys, you have black, brown, blonde, red hair. You have green, blue, brown eyes, you have pink lips and peach skin, and you guys call ME coloured"

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By *hong loverMan  over a year ago

stoke-on-trent

This term should never be used anymore we are all 1 and the same

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Not exactly a racist term, but a sudaneese guy I lived with came out with this

"I've got brown hair, brown skin, brown eyes, brown lips. You white guys, you have black, brown, blonde, red hair. You have green, blue, brown eyes, you have pink lips and peach skin, and you guys call ME coloured""

That's actually a quote from a poem!! Heard it when I was younger and it's always stuck with me.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The original title was "Colour."

It was composed by Malcolm X.

COLOUR

-

When I was born, I was black.

When I grow up, I'm black.

When I'm ill, I'm black.

When I go out in the sun, I'm black.

When I'm cold, I'm black.

When I die, I'm black.

But you -

When you're born, you're pink.

When you grow up, you're white.

When you're ill, you're green.

When you go out in the sun, you go red.

When you're cold, you go blue.

When you die, you're purple.

And you have the nerve to call me coloured?

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By *ong-legged-diva OP   TV/TS  over a year ago

Fleetwood

I'd never heard that before, guess I should brush up on my history

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By *lackshadow7Man  over a year ago

Toronto


"I'd never heard that before, guess I should brush up on my history "

A lot of people could benefit not only from this, but a bit of decency and empathy too.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Iam a very down to. earth. guy but certain words do get me wound up.

coloured

half cast

and the N word.

no need at all for it

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The original title was "Colour."

It was composed by Malcolm X.

COLOUR

-

When I was born, I was black.

When I grow up, I'm black.

When I'm ill, I'm black.

When I go out in the sun, I'm black.

When I'm cold, I'm black.

When I die, I'm black.

But you -

When you're born, you're pink.

When you grow up, you're white.

When you're ill, you're green.

When you go out in the sun, you go red.

When you're cold, you go blue.

When you die, you're purple.

And you have the nerve to call me coloured?

.

"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

My son shed 7 used to say brown so I have taught him that the correct term is black. He has asked on many occasions y we say black when the skin colour is actually brown. I have just explained that it is just what we say and I'm not sure the reason. Can any1 tell me if there is a reason??

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"My son shed 7 used to say brown so I have taught him that the correct term is black. He has asked on many occasions y we say black when the skin colour is actually brown. I have just explained that it is just what we say and I'm not sure the reason. Can any1 tell me if there is a reason?? "

*aged 7

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"My son shed 7 used to say brown so I have taught him that the correct term is black. He has asked on many occasions y we say black when the skin colour is actually brown. I have just explained that it is just what we say and I'm not sure the reason. Can any1 tell me if there is a reason??

*aged 7"

Though quite cool that your phone defaults to a somewhat underrated indie band!

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By *icecouple561Couple  over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

one of my friends who is African says that at home coloured means mixed race and while not being insulting isn't terrible complimentary either.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"My son shed 7 used to say brown so I have taught him that the correct term is black. He has asked on many occasions y we say black when the skin colour is actually brown. I have just explained that it is just what we say and I'm not sure the reason. Can any1 tell me if there is a reason?? "

I'd imagine its simply because black and white is a lot easier to remember than brown and peach.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"one of my friends who is African says that at home coloured means mixed race and while not being insulting isn't terrible complimentary either.

"

OK , but will someone tell us what term we can use without causing offence . Lots of profiles on here advertise White Guys only . It doesn't really offend me , but somehow we have to indicate our preferences . So how please ?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"one of my friends who is African says that at home coloured means mixed race and while not being insulting isn't terrible complimentary either.

OK , but will someone tell us what term we can use without causing offence . Lots of profiles on here advertise White Guys only . It doesn't really offend me , but somehow we have to indicate our preferences . So how please ? "

Seeking a handsome, courteous, non-pushy, fun and adventurous black guy to help fulfill mfm fantasy...or something similar

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By *zanyCouple  over a year ago

truro

Tricky subject in this day and age. Lots of preferences are aired. Old, young, slim , very well endowed,bbc, bbw. Am sure no offence can be consrue'd from these terms and those excluded because the prefences are not met. Wanting black guys( there are quite a few) can get what they want by saying that and am sure there are a lot of proud black guys willing to be addressed as such.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It's a word as long as you are comfortable with your skin it does not matter if some one using it in racist it's their ignorance not yours

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It's a word as long as you are comfortable with your skin it does not matter if some one using it in racist manner it's their ignorance not yours

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By *omethingSoGoodAboutSofiaWoman  over a year ago

Blackburn/Preston

Best words to use are white, black or Asian in my opinion, straight to the point and don't cause offence, it's when people start looking too much into not wanting to offend that causes problems I think. Too much pc bullshit eg not saying blackboard n whiteboard etc, it's silly...I'm Asian and would much rather someone just said the word Asian rather than trying to determine exactly what shade of brown I am! I understand some people will be offended by certain words but each individual is different but if u cause any offence by ur words to a certain individual then learn from it with that person n move on! This world=pc gone mad!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

in refernece to the 'correct' term..

I stated in another thread..I think its pretty fucking horrible making people think their language to describe someone of a different ethnic descent is incorrect.

colored?

half-cast(if i want to look at that scientifically I might say well, myself, I'm cast in two lights...I'am therefore half-cast.....)

simple definitions, that have no malice intended..

ffs, some would say describing someone as a negro or having negro features could be offensive, but that IS the correct terminology

I find the issue with alot of people is some kind of 'empowerment' by making sure people call them as black, as if they are disrepecting their origins if called otherwise..

sorry, I live in a world where I have no ties, no boundaries..if someone describes me with no negativity(ooh strange word lol), i have no issue..

there is PC and there is 'PC'-how do u like your coffee?...'black?' or 'coloured?'

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By *omethingSoGoodAboutSofiaWoman  over a year ago

Blackburn/Preston

In regards to 'racist' words I think saying what a person actually is ie black, white is better but with old, young etc that's a different ball game altogether as it's so much easier to offend! Mature is my favourite word for the oldies! Ps I prefer a sexy milf or more mature woman! Haha! Bit of free marketing for myself!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"in refernece to the 'correct' term..

I stated in another thread..I think its pretty fucking horrible making people think their language to describe someone of a different ethnic descent is incorrect.

colored?

half-cast(if i want to look at that scientifically I might say well, myself, I'm cast in two lights...I'am therefore half-cast.....)

simple definitions, that have no malice intended..

ffs, some would say describing someone as a negro or having negro features could be offensive, but that IS the correct terminology

I find the issue with alot of people is some kind of 'empowerment' by making sure people call them as black, as if they are disrepecting their origins if called otherwise..

sorry, I live in a world where I have no ties, no boundaries..if someone describes me with no negativity(ooh strange word lol), i have no issue..

there is PC and there is 'PC'-how do u like your coffee?...'black?' or 'coloured?'"

Whether people should or shouldn't be upset by terms such as half caste, negro or whatever isn't really the issue. It's evident that some are and some aren't. Some consider intent, others think it doesn't matter. The fact remains that some people find it off-putting, and while that remains the case, OP will have some issues attracting the black men that they're clearly fond of.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"in refernece to the 'correct' term..

I stated in another thread..I think its pretty fucking horrible making people think their language to describe someone of a different ethnic descent is incorrect.

colored?

half-cast(if i want to look at that scientifically I might say well, myself, I'm cast in two lights...I'am therefore half-cast.....)

simple definitions, that have no malice intended..

ffs, some would say describing someone as a negro or having negro features could be offensive, but that IS the correct terminology

I find the issue with alot of people is some kind of 'empowerment' by making sure people call them as black, as if they are disrepecting their origins if called otherwise..

sorry, I live in a world where I have no ties, no boundaries..if someone describes me with no negativity(ooh strange word lol), i have no issue..

there is PC and there is 'PC'-how do u like your coffee?...'black?' or 'coloured?'

Whether people should or shouldn't be upset by terms such as half caste, negro or whatever isn't really the issue. It's evident that some are and some aren't. Some consider intent, others think it doesn't matter. The fact remains that some people find it off-putting, and while that remains the case, OP will have some issues attracting the black men that they're clearly fond of."

well the people looking and not responding arent very open minded....with communication comes understanding...another simple FACT

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By *omethingSoGoodAboutSofiaWoman  over a year ago

Blackburn/Preston


"in refernece to the 'correct' term..

I stated in another thread..I think its pretty fucking horrible making people think their language to describe someone of a different ethnic descent is incorrect.

colored?

half-cast(if i want to look at that scientifically I might say well, myself, I'm cast in two lights...I'am therefore half-cast.....)

simple definitions, that have no malice intended..

ffs, some would say describing someone as a negro or having negro features could be offensive, but that IS the correct terminology

I find the issue with alot of people is some kind of 'empowerment' by making sure people call them as black, as if they are disrepecting their origins if called otherwise..

sorry, I live in a world where I have no ties, no boundaries..if someone describes me with no negativity(ooh strange word lol), i have no issue..

there is PC and there is 'PC'-how do u like your coffee?...'black?' or 'coloured?'

Whether people should or shouldn't be upset by terms such as half caste, negro or whatever isn't really the issue. It's evident that some are and some aren't. Some consider intent, others think it doesn't matter. The fact remains that some people find it off-putting, and while that remains the case, OP will have some issues attracting the black men that they're clearly fond of.

well the people looking and not responding arent very open minded....with communication comes understanding...another simple FACT"

I agree completely with what ur saying and just gave my opinion on what I personally use. I don't think many black people would like being referred to as negros in my opinion but then I've never used it to know incase I do offend anyone. I definitely know I don't appreciate the word paki as I've been called before so from my own experience I say less is more when it comes to putting people in 'boxes'...I'm not here to give anyone facts but simply voicing my opinion. The world has gone pc mad that is the only fact I have to put out on this thread!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"in refernece to the 'correct' term..

I stated in another thread..I think its pretty fucking horrible making people think their language to describe someone of a different ethnic descent is incorrect.

colored?

half-cast(if i want to look at that scientifically I might say well, myself, I'm cast in two lights...I'am therefore half-cast.....)

simple definitions, that have no malice intended..

ffs, some would say describing someone as a negro or having negro features could be offensive, but that IS the correct terminology

I find the issue with alot of people is some kind of 'empowerment' by making sure people call them as black, as if they are disrepecting their origins if called otherwise..

sorry, I live in a world where I have no ties, no boundaries..if someone describes me with no negativity(ooh strange word lol), i have no issue..

there is PC and there is 'PC'-how do u like your coffee?...'black?' or 'coloured?'

Whether people should or shouldn't be upset by terms such as half caste, negro or whatever isn't really the issue. It's evident that some are and some aren't. Some consider intent, others think it doesn't matter. The fact remains that some people find it off-putting, and while that remains the case, OP will have some issues attracting the black men that they're clearly fond of.

well the people looking and not responding arent very open minded....with communication comes understanding...another simple FACT

I agree completely with what ur saying and just gave my opinion on what I personally use. I don't think many black people would like being referred to as negros in my opinion but then I've never used it to know incase I do offend anyone. I definitely know I don't appreciate the word paki as I've been called before so from my own experience I say less is more when it comes to putting people in 'boxes'...I'm not here to give anyone facts but simply voicing my opinion. The world has gone pc mad that is the only fact I have to put out on this thread!"

bypassing everything u said, I like ur tits

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By *bony in IvoryCouple  over a year ago

Black&White Utopia


"Iam a very down to. earth. guy but certain words do get me wound up.

coloured

half cast

and the N word.

no need at all for it

"

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By *omethingSoGoodAboutSofiaWoman  over a year ago

Blackburn/Preston


"in refernece to the 'correct' term..

I stated in another thread..I think its pretty fucking horrible making people think their language to describe someone of a different ethnic descent is incorrect.

colored?

half-cast(if i want to look at that scientifically I might say well, myself, I'm cast in two lights...I'am therefore half-cast.....)

simple definitions, that have no malice intended..

ffs, some would say describing someone as a negro or having negro features could be offensive, but that IS the correct terminology

I find the issue with alot of people is some kind of 'empowerment' by making sure people call them as black, as if they are disrepecting their origins if called otherwise..

sorry, I live in a world where I have no ties, no boundaries..if someone describes me with no negativity(ooh strange word lol), i have no issue..

there is PC and there is 'PC'-how do u like your coffee?...'black?' or 'coloured?'

Whether people should or shouldn't be upset by terms such as half caste, negro or whatever isn't really the issue. It's evident that some are and some aren't. Some consider intent, others think it doesn't matter. The fact remains that some people find it off-putting, and while that remains the case, OP will have some issues attracting the black men that they're clearly fond of.

well the people looking and not responding arent very open minded....with communication comes understanding...another simple FACT

I agree completely with what ur saying and just gave my opinion on what I personally use. I don't think many black people would like being referred to as negros in my opinion but then I've never used it to know incase I do offend anyone. I definitely know I don't appreciate the word paki as I've been called before so from my own experience I say less is more when it comes to putting people in 'boxes'...I'm not here to give anyone facts but simply voicing my opinion. The world has gone pc mad that is the only fact I have to put out on this thread!

bypassing everything u said, I like ur tits"

U could've just told me that without making me reply!! Haha! But thanks, so do I, we have hours of fun together!

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By *uby0000Woman  over a year ago

hertfordshire

we shouldn't refer to anything other than we are all human

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"we shouldn't refer to anything other than we are all human"

speak for urself u throw back neanderthal caveowman

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"in refernece to the 'correct' term..

I stated in another thread..I think its pretty fucking horrible making people think their language to describe someone of a different ethnic descent is incorrect.

colored?

half-cast(if i want to look at that scientifically I might say well, myself, I'm cast in two lights...I'am therefore half-cast.....)

simple definitions, that have no malice intended..

ffs, some would say describing someone as a negro or having negro features could be offensive, but that IS the correct terminology

I find the issue with alot of people is some kind of 'empowerment' by making sure people call them as black, as if they are disrepecting their origins if called otherwise..

sorry, I live in a world where I have no ties, no boundaries..if someone describes me with no negativity(ooh strange word lol), i have no issue..

there is PC and there is 'PC'-how do u like your coffee?...'black?' or 'coloured?'

Whether people should or shouldn't be upset by terms such as half caste, negro or whatever isn't really the issue. It's evident that some are and some aren't. Some consider intent, others think it doesn't matter. The fact remains that some people find it off-putting, and while that remains the case, OP will have some issues attracting the black men that they're clearly fond of.

well the people looking and not responding arent very open minded....with communication comes understanding...another simple FACT

I agree completely with what ur saying and just gave my opinion on what I personally use. I don't think many black people would like being referred to as negros in my opinion but then I've never used it to know incase I do offend anyone. I definitely know I don't appreciate the word paki as I've been called before so from my own experience I say less is more when it comes to putting people in 'boxes'...I'm not here to give anyone facts but simply voicing my opinion. The world has gone pc mad that is the only fact I have to put out on this thread!

bypassing everything u said, I like ur tits

U could've just told me that without making me reply!! Haha! But thanks, so do I, we have hours of fun together! "

I can when u mail me lol xxx

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By *eakcoupleCouple  over a year ago

peak district

This subject keeps on coming up - think there have been a few forum topics like this over the last few months.

Wonder why?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"This subject keeps on coming up - think there have been a few forum topics like this over the last few months.

Wonder why? "

its because theres no black tinsel available and we want to make this right! black should be shining bright

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By *rightonsteveMan  over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"This subject keeps on coming up - think there have been a few forum topics like this over the last few months.

Wonder why?

its because theres no black tinsel available and we want to make this right! black should be shining bright "

I've seen black tinsel and a black Christmas tree and coloured lights.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"in refernece to the 'correct' term..

I stated in another thread..I think its pretty fucking horrible making people think their language to describe someone of a different ethnic descent is incorrect.

colored?

half-cast(if i want to look at that scientifically I might say well, myself, I'm cast in two lights...I'am therefore half-cast.....)

simple definitions, that have no malice intended..

ffs, some would say describing someone as a negro or having negro features could be offensive, but that IS the correct terminology

I find the issue with alot of people is some kind of 'empowerment' by making sure people call them as black, as if they are disrepecting their origins if called otherwise..

sorry, I live in a world where I have no ties, no boundaries..if someone describes me with no negativity(ooh strange word lol), i have no issue..

there is PC and there is 'PC'-how do u like your coffee?...'black?' or 'coloured?'

Whether people should or shouldn't be upset by terms such as half caste, negro or whatever isn't really the issue. It's evident that some are and some aren't. Some consider intent, others think it doesn't matter. The fact remains that some people find it off-putting, and while that remains the case, OP will have some issues attracting the black men that they're clearly fond of.

well the people looking and not responding arent very open minded....with communication comes understanding...another simple FACT"

Yup, that's exactly it... Differing interpretations of words often cause misunderstandings between people, even when intentions are pure. It is what it is, until people decide otherwise. With issues neighbouring race, it tends to take a little longer.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"in refernece to the 'correct' term..

I stated in another thread..I think its pretty fucking horrible making people think their language to describe someone of a different ethnic descent is incorrect.

colored?

half-cast(if i want to look at that scientifically I might say well, myself, I'm cast in two lights...I'am therefore half-cast.....)

simple definitions, that have no malice intended..

ffs, some would say describing someone as a negro or having negro features could be offensive, but that IS the correct terminology

I find the issue with alot of people is some kind of 'empowerment' by making sure people call them as black, as if they are disrepecting their origins if called otherwise..

sorry, I live in a world where I have no ties, no boundaries..if someone describes me with no negativity(ooh strange word lol), i have no issue..

there is PC and there is 'PC'-how do u like your coffee?...'black?' or 'coloured?'

Whether people should or shouldn't be upset by terms such as half caste, negro or whatever isn't really the issue. It's evident that some are and some aren't. Some consider intent, others think it doesn't matter. The fact remains that some people find it off-putting, and while that remains the case, OP will have some issues attracting the black men that they're clearly fond of.

well the people looking and not responding arent very open minded....with communication comes understanding...another simple FACT

I agree completely with what ur saying and just gave my opinion on what I personally use. I don't think many black people would like being referred to as negros in my opinion but then I've never used it to know incase I do offend anyone. I definitely know I don't appreciate the word paki as I've been called before so from my own experience I say less is more when it comes to putting people in 'boxes'...I'm not here to give anyone facts but simply voicing my opinion. The world has gone pc mad that is the only fact I have to put out on this thread!

bypassing everything u said, I like ur tits

U could've just told me that without making me reply!! Haha! But thanks, so do I, we have hours of fun together! "

Off-topic, but it's quite true that you are most gloriously blessed in the boobage department..a nice bonus to being a smart, passionate lady.

I was born in Blackburn... Who woulda thought, two people of south asian descent, who lived on the cobbled streets of that little town, would turn to the world of swinging to satiate their carnal desires?

Then again, who'd thought the local team wouls ever win the premiership?? Full of surprises, that place..

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"in refernece to the 'correct' term..

I stated in another thread..I think its pretty fucking horrible making people think their language to describe someone of a different ethnic descent is incorrect.

colored?

half-cast(if i want to look at that scientifically I might say well, myself, I'm cast in two lights...I'am therefore half-cast.....)

simple definitions, that have no malice intended..

ffs, some would say describing someone as a negro or having negro features could be offensive, but that IS the correct terminology

I find the issue with alot of people is some kind of 'empowerment' by making sure people call them as black, as if they are disrepecting their origins if called otherwise..

sorry, I live in a world where I have no ties, no boundaries..if someone describes me with no negativity(ooh strange word lol), i have no issue..

there is PC and there is 'PC'-how do u like your coffee?...'black?' or 'coloured?'

Whether people should or shouldn't be upset by terms such as half caste, negro or whatever isn't really the issue. It's evident that some are and some aren't. Some consider intent, others think it doesn't matter. The fact remains that some people find it off-putting, and while that remains the case, OP will have some issues attracting the black men that they're clearly fond of.

well the people looking and not responding arent very open minded....with communication comes understanding...another simple FACT

I agree completely with what ur saying and just gave my opinion on what I personally use. I don't think many black people would like being referred to as negros in my opinion but then I've never used it to know incase I do offend anyone. I definitely know I don't appreciate the word paki as I've been called before so from my own experience I say less is more when it comes to putting people in 'boxes'...I'm not here to give anyone facts but simply voicing my opinion. The world has gone pc mad that is the only fact I have to put out on this thread!

bypassing everything u said, I like ur tits

U could've just told me that without making me reply!! Haha! But thanks, so do I, we have hours of fun together!

Off-topic, but it's quite true that you are most gloriously blessed in the boobage department..a nice bonus to being a smart, passionate lady.

I was born in Blackburn... Who woulda thought, two people of south asian descent, who lived on the cobbled streets of that little town, would turn to the world of swinging to satiate their carnal desires?

Then again, who'd thought the local team wouls ever win the premiership?? Full of surprises, that place.."

its also off topic as ur now stealing my potential meet!- I started the wooing first ffs!...not impressed, work off ur own flirting!!!!

(she might be up for a MMF shhh, I'll ask her)

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I believe this has been an ongoing discussion in the forums for way to long!! Just my opinion! Some people will have their own preferences, hell I have my own, but if said people are on here asking for the "correct term" to call someone then maybe just maybe they shouldn't be trying to meet just yet. Thing is if I don't something someone calls me, I will politely let them know!

People make assumptions about me daily, it's more annoying than anything when I'm asked if I would be with a "white cock" or my favorite " you probably wouldn't want to be with me because you prefer bbc" wtf so annoying and where did they even see that lol I'm on a sex site for goodness sakes if my profile doesn't state I will only have sex with (fill in the blank) then don't assume lol

I'm one of the most easy going people you'll meet, but this whole topic is getting out of hand...I see it posted every other day lately! Yikes

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"in refernece to the 'correct' term..

I stated in another thread..I think its pretty fucking horrible making people think their language to describe someone of a different ethnic descent is incorrect.

colored?

half-cast(if i want to look at that scientifically I might say well, myself, I'm cast in two lights...I'am therefore half-cast.....)

simple definitions, that have no malice intended..

ffs, some would say describing someone as a negro or having negro features could be offensive, but that IS the correct terminology

I find the issue with alot of people is some kind of 'empowerment' by making sure people call them as black, as if they are disrepecting their origins if called otherwise..

sorry, I live in a world where I have no ties, no boundaries..if someone describes me with no negativity(ooh strange word lol), i have no issue..

there is PC and there is 'PC'-how do u like your coffee?...'black?' or 'coloured?'

Whether people should or shouldn't be upset by terms such as half caste, negro or whatever isn't really the issue. It's evident that some are and some aren't. Some consider intent, others think it doesn't matter. The fact remains that some people find it off-putting, and while that remains the case, OP will have some issues attracting the black men that they're clearly fond of.

well the people looking and not responding arent very open minded....with communication comes understanding...another simple FACT

I agree completely with what ur saying and just gave my opinion on what I personally use. I don't think many black people would like being referred to as negros in my opinion but then I've never used it to know incase I do offend anyone. I definitely know I don't appreciate the word paki as I've been called before so from my own experience I say less is more when it comes to putting people in 'boxes'...I'm not here to give anyone facts but simply voicing my opinion. The world has gone pc mad that is the only fact I have to put out on this thread!

bypassing everything u said, I like ur tits

U could've just told me that without making me reply!! Haha! But thanks, so do I, we have hours of fun together!

Off-topic, but it's quite true that you are most gloriously blessed in the boobage department..a nice bonus to being a smart, passionate lady.

I was born in Blackburn... Who woulda thought, two people of south asian descent, who lived on the cobbled streets of that little town, would turn to the world of swinging to satiate their carnal desires?

Then again, who'd thought the local team wouls ever win the premiership?? Full of surprises, that place..

its also off topic as ur now stealing my potential meet!- I started the wooing first ffs!...not impressed, work off ur own flirting!!!!

(she might be up for a MMF shhh, I'll ask her)"

Lol...sincere apologies for my lack of decorum.. Breasts make a man do funny things!!

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By *londeCazWoman  over a year ago

Arse End of the Universe, Cumbria

My Mam uses the term "coloured" to refer to black or Asian folk, it's how she was brought up. I'd like to say she's not racist, but she is - again, it's to do with her upbringing and early influences. I've mentioned it to her on occasion but now tend to leave her to it.

I don't know if it's me, but when I see the American spelling 'colored' I'm reminded of pictures showing segregated areas in the US, but not so much when I see coloured used

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"in refernece to the 'correct' term..

I stated in another thread..I think its pretty fucking horrible making people think their language to describe someone of a different ethnic descent is incorrect.

colored?

half-cast(if i want to look at that scientifically I might say well, myself, I'm cast in two lights...I'am therefore half-cast.....)

simple definitions, that have no malice intended..

ffs, some would say describing someone as a negro or having negro features could be offensive, but that IS the correct terminology

I find the issue with alot of people is some kind of 'empowerment' by making sure people call them as black, as if they are disrepecting their origins if called otherwise..

sorry, I live in a world where I have no ties, no boundaries..if someone describes me with no negativity(ooh strange word lol), i have no issue..

there is PC and there is 'PC'-how do u like your coffee?...'black?' or 'coloured?'

Whether people should or shouldn't be upset by terms such as half caste, negro or whatever isn't really the issue. It's evident that some are and some aren't. Some consider intent, others think it doesn't matter. The fact remains that some people find it off-putting, and while that remains the case, OP will have some issues attracting the black men that they're clearly fond of."

Spot on

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Blimey, I can remember when calling someone black was supposed to be insulting. Coloured was the word used and I only found out in recent years that was no longer acceptable.

I would think that people who live in urban areas and work in multi-cultural places will be up to speed on PC terms, but our home and worklife don't see us meeting many non whites at all. In fact this life style has probably increased that

But if people don't know, it's not ignorance, thy just haven't learnt yet.

I don't see colour of skin particularly until someone starts shouting about it in the forums eg. why wont people meet Asians, type threads and they draw attention to themselves in a very unattractive way.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman  over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I detest the word coloured....it irritates me when people use the word so much so I correct them...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Blimey, I can remember when calling someone black was supposed to be insulting. Coloured was the word used and I only found out in recent years that was no longer acceptable.

I would think that people who live in urban areas and work in multi-cultural places will be up to speed on PC terms, but our home and worklife don't see us meeting many non whites at all. In fact this life style has probably increased that

But if people don't know, it's not ignorance, thy just haven't learnt yet.

I don't see colour of skin particularly until someone starts shouting about it in the forums eg. why wont people meet Asians, type threads and they draw attention to themselves in a very unattractive way. "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The original title was "Colour."

It was composed by Malcolm X.

COLOUR

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When I was born, I was black.

When I grow up, I'm black.

When I'm ill, I'm black.

When I go out in the sun, I'm black.

When I'm cold, I'm black.

When I die, I'm black.

But you -

When you're born, you're pink.

When you grow up, you're white.

When you're ill, you're green.

When you go out in the sun, you go red.

When you're cold, you go blue.

When you die, you're purple.

And you have the nerve to call me coloured?

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"

A guy I used to work with years ago quoted this poem to me and although I couldn't remember the exact words, the sentiment stuck with me. I never used the word 'coloured' myself anyway but we were having a very in depth conversation about racism (whilst flipping burgers!) and he hated the term coloured, which I can understand...I don't really like the word caucasian. Don't know why but it's just not a word I've ever liked, and to me the two go hand in hand.

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By *drianukMan  over a year ago

Spain, Lancs

I don't like the word coloured and I won't use it - but it's generational and we should relax about it really

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"My son shed 7 used to say brown so I have taught him that the correct term is black. He has asked on many occasions y we say black when the skin colour is actually brown. I have just explained that it is just what we say and I'm not sure the reason. Can any1 tell me if there is a reason?? "
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My daughter says the same, I think it's because she is actually brown and not jet black. I suppose if you were pink you wouldn't say red. Kids have a knack of telling you how it is

There's another thread going at the moment about "coloured" people

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By *atelotmanMan  over a year ago

Chatham

Who really cares what colour your skin is. Black, white, pink, yellow or blue.Its what underneather that matters.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"My son shed 7 used to say brown so I have taught him that the correct term is black. He has asked on many occasions y we say black when the skin colour is actually brown. I have just explained that it is just what we say and I'm not sure the reason. Can any1 tell me if there is a reason?? .

My daughter says the same, I think it's because she is actually brown and not jet black. I suppose if you were pink you wouldn't say red. Kids have a knack of telling you how it is

There's another thread going at the moment about "coloured" people"

One too many threads about it of you as me kids will tell you like it is out of the mouth of babes they say!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I am white. White is a colour same as brown black red etc do not understand the fuss when the word coloured is mentioned to be honest.

If someone calls me whitey it does not offend in the slightest.

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By *lackshadow7Man  over a year ago

Toronto


"I am white. White is a colour same as brown black red etc do not understand the fuss when the word coloured is mentioned to be honest.

If someone calls me whitey it does not offend in the slightest."

Do some reading. It will help you.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Thought I would throw in a funny story from when my daughter was only 2 or 3.

We parked at a supermarket & a black/coloured family parked next to us.

My daughter apparently had never noticed "coloured" people before & was clearly amazed.

Being very young she also got confused. She stood right in front of the father, pointing & said to me "look daddy that man is YELLOW".

The guy was clearly surprised (I dont think he had ever been called that before!!) & I was very embarrassed.

Funny though.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The reason it IS considered offensive is because the word 'caste' derives from a latin word meaning 'pure', implying that the pureness of the white race had been half diluted. I'm sure most people haven't even considered the origin of the term, and don't mean any offence, but it is pretty offensive when you think about it, so mixed race is undoubtedly a better choice.

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By *1ckeyMan  over a year ago

Camberley

We had a South African lodger a while back. She left their because she was 'coloured', not black and not white. Apparently the term their refers to mixed parentage, she had dutch ancestors on her mother's side, and mixed Zulu / Angolan on her fathers side. As a result, after apartheid finished, she would get abuse from white and black South Africans.

We just called her Prescilla.

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By *1ckeyMan  over a year ago

Camberley

And I still can't spell there!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"We had a South African lodger a while back. She left their because she was 'coloured', not black and not white. Apparently the term their refers to mixed parentage, she had dutch ancestors on her mother's side, and mixed Zulu / Angolan on her fathers side. As a result, after apartheid finished, she would get abuse from white and black South Africans.

We just called her Prescilla. "

Im South African. Africaans. Everybody hates each other equally. Some really nasty practices out there. Glad I left.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Who really cares what colour your skin is. Black, white, pink, yellow or blue.Its what underneather that matters. "
yes we all red and pink underneath flesh coloured poppyxx

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"in refernece to the 'correct' term..

I stated in another thread..I think its pretty fucking horrible making people think their language to describe someone of a different ethnic descent is incorrect.

colored?

half-cast(if i want to look at that scientifically I might say well, myself, I'm cast in two lights...I'am therefore half-cast.....)

simple definitions, that have no malice intended..

ffs, some would say describing someone as a negro or having negro features could be offensive, but that IS the correct terminology

I find the issue with alot of people is some kind of 'empowerment' by making sure people call them as black, as if they are disrepecting their origins if called otherwise..

sorry, I live in a world where I have no ties, no boundaries..if someone describes me with no negativity(ooh strange word lol), i have no issue..

there is PC and there is 'PC'-how do u like your coffee?...'black?' or 'coloured?'

Whether people should or shouldn't be upset by terms such as half caste, negro or whatever isn't really the issue. It's evident that some are and some aren't. Some consider intent, others think it doesn't matter. The fact remains that some people find it off-putting, and while that remains the case, OP will have some issues attracting the black men that they're clearly fond of.

well the people looking and not responding arent very open minded....with communication comes understanding...another simple FACT

I agree completely with what ur saying and just gave my opinion on what I personally use. I don't think many black people would like being referred to as negros in my opinion but then I've never used it to know incase I do offend anyone. I definitely know I don't appreciate the word paki as I've been called before so from my own experience I say less is more when it comes to putting people in 'boxes'...I'm not here to give anyone facts but simply voicing my opinion. The world has gone pc mad that is the only fact I have to put out on this thread!

bypassing everything u said, I like ur tits

U could've just told me that without making me reply!! Haha! But thanks, so do I, we have hours of fun together! "

the correct term is breasts tits can be very offensive lol but they are fantastic

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By *igSuki81Man  over a year ago

Retirement Village


"Not exactly a racist term, but a sudaneese guy I lived with came out with this

"I've got brown hair, brown skin, brown eyes, brown lips. You white guys, you have black, brown, blonde, red hair. You have green, blue, brown eyes, you have pink lips and peach skin, and you guys call ME coloured""

ha ha ha reminds me of a white friend of mine when he's questioning people using the word coloured

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By *nly-AliceWoman  over a year ago

Chester / North Wales


"This term should never be used anymore we are all 1 and the same "

No we're not, and if we were the world would be a boring place.

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By *nly-AliceWoman  over a year ago

Chester / North Wales


"The reason it IS considered offensive is because the word 'caste' derives from a latin word meaning 'pure', implying that the pureness of the white race had been half diluted. I'm sure most people haven't even considered the origin of the term, and don't mean any offence, but it is pretty offensive when you think about it, so mixed race is undoubtedly a better choice."

I know it's an outdated term, but even in the context you state I can't see the offence? You assume it's the white race that's been 'diluted' and is therefore not pure. Surely if you are not of purely african, caucasian, hispanic or any specific descent then by definition you are half 'caste'. I don't think the problem is with the word, but how it's use has become used.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

I know it's an outdated term, but even in the context you state I can't see the offence? You assume it's the white race that's been 'diluted' and is therefore not pure. Surely if you are not of purely african, caucasian, hispanic or any specific descent then by definition you are half 'caste'. I don't think the problem is with the word, but how it's use has become used."

The question of purity was a concern of white racist and played a big part in what rights you used to have and how you was treated as if your less of a person if your not white, so that's why the term half caste is offensive. It's a matter of perception, I'm sure most ladies would take offence if I referred to women as bitches,hoes,slags and sluts ( unless I'm pulling their hair and slapping their ass at the time lol )

but most other names ie "negro, black, coloured, aren't really offensive just a matter of personal preference, I prefer to be referred to as a black man but if someone called me coloured I wouldn't be that offended I'd just think they was old school.

I think Aslong as the person isn't trying to cause offence then you shouldn't try and find offence, tell them what you prefer if you have to and move on, life's too short !

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"Best words to use are white, black or Asian in my opinion, straight to the point and don't cause offence, it's when people start looking too much into not wanting to offend that causes problems I think. Too much pc bullshit eg not saying blackboard n whiteboard etc, it's silly...I'm Asian and would much rather someone just said the word Asian rather than trying to determine exactly what shade of brown I am! I understand some people will be offended by certain words but each individual is different but if u cause any offence by ur words to a certain individual then learn from it with that person n move on! This world=pc gone mad!"

The nonsense about blackboards is just that - nonsense. It was never a 'banned' word. Another Dailly Mail myth to undermine pc and make it seem ridiculous. It's also handy to attack pc if you want to keep on using offensive terms.

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"I am white. White is a colour same as brown black red etc do not understand the fuss when the word coloured is mentioned to be honest.

If someone calls me whitey it does not offend in the slightest."

Because you don't have a history of discrimination behind you due to your race and you live in a world dominated and still ruled by White people - Parliament isn't known as a multicultural bedrock. When you have been consistently put down for the colour of your skin, abused in the street daily, had to suffer constant prejudice because you are white and prevented from getting jobs then it might feel different when being called 'whitey'.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"My son shed 7 used to say brown so I have taught him that the correct term is black. He has asked on many occasions y we say black when the skin colour is actually brown. I have just explained that it is just what we say and I'm not sure the reason. Can any1 tell me if there is a reason??

*aged 7

Though quite cool that your phone defaults to a somewhat underrated indie band! "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

The nonsense about blackboards is just that - nonsense. It was never a 'banned' word. Another Dailly Mail myth to undermine pc and make it seem ridiculous. It's also handy to attack pc if you want to keep on using offensive terms. "

Not quite....

I work a lot with the education sector and when we are not specifying interactive white boards, we specify "Chalk boards"

One of the largest city councils spent a whole two days in conference to decide a PC description for a rubbish sack, so as to avoid the term "black bags"

And many more.....

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By *et a roomCouple  over a year ago

Leeds

The term 'half caste' derives from the caste system. Nothing to do with casting light on something. Always a deeply offensive term in my opinion.

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"

The nonsense about blackboards is just that - nonsense. It was never a 'banned' word. Another Dailly Mail myth to undermine pc and make it seem ridiculous. It's also handy to attack pc if you want to keep on using offensive terms.

Not quite....

I work a lot with the education sector and when we are not specifying interactive white boards, we specify "Chalk boards"

One of the largest city councils spent a whole two days in conference to decide a PC description for a rubbish sack, so as to avoid the term "black bags"

And many more....."

I have worked in education for 20 years and never ever come across this. When I first started blackboards were just that, then whiteboards, then interactive boards. And I worked in a very multicultural school - you had to be very pc - and it was never mentioned, ever!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Black, blue, green, yellow, cream, red. The list goes on...who on here really judges and stereotypes skin colour. Bad manners and piss poor inconsiderate attitudes to others are more of an issue here. People who see colour are just oxygen thieves.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I am white. White is a colour same as brown black red etc do not understand the fuss when the word coloured is mentioned to be honest.

If someone calls me whitey it does not offend in the slightest.

Because you don't have a history of discrimination behind you due to your race and you live in a world dominated and still ruled by White people - Parliament isn't known as a multicultural bedrock. When you have been consistently put down for the colour of your skin, abused in the street daily, had to suffer constant prejudice because you are white and prevented from getting jobs then it might feel different when being called 'whitey'."

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

ur only allowed to use that term if you creak these days

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Hmmmmmmm pink green yellow everyone's got a colour

Live and let live and love everyone x

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"My son shed 7 used to say brown so I have taught him that the correct term is black. He has asked on many occasions y we say black when the skin colour is actually brown. I have just explained that it is just what we say and I'm not sure the reason. Can any1 tell me if there is a reason??

I'd imagine its simply because black and white is a lot easier to remember than brown and peach."

My daughter aged 5, actually calls people peach and brown

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By *iggles and BeardyCouple  over a year ago

Bristol

Was in an office with two non white women. One bitched and yelled if I said black, the other bitched and yelled if I said coloured!

People just like to argue.

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By *lactontogMan  over a year ago

Clacton on Sea


"The original title was "Colour."

It was composed by Malcolm X.

COLOUR

-

When I was born, I was black.

When I grow up, I'm black.

When I'm ill, I'm black.

When I go out in the sun, I'm black.

When I'm cold, I'm black.

When I die, I'm black.

But you -

When you're born, you're pink.

When you grow up, you're white.

When you're ill, you're green.

When you go out in the sun, you go red.

When you're cold, you go blue.

When you die, you're purple.

And you have the nerve to call me coloured?

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By *et a roomCouple  over a year ago

Leeds


"Was in an office with two non white women. One bitched and yelled if I said black, the other bitched and yelled if I said coloured!

People just like to argue."

I am very surprised that one of them wanted to be described as 'coloured'. When was this?

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By *rsFine-MrBallsCouple  over a year ago

markinch

Im confused, which word is the derogative one, coloured or black or white, seems all 3 have been suggested as insultive by 1 post or another.

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By *lactontogMan  over a year ago

Clacton on Sea


"The term 'half caste' derives from the caste system. Nothing to do with casting light on something. Always a deeply offensive term in my opinion.

"

Yes i find that offensive as I have a mixed race grand daughter & I see the the hassle she sometimes gets.

My great grand father was black & my mothers side Mediterranean, I heard from an early age from family how the educationally challenged would result to insults on cultures & colours of people they knew nothing about.

Things have luckily got better over time & racism reduced to a fraction of the ignorance once known.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

If the intention is to hurt or to express your own superiority from a phenotypical perspective...the word (any word) can be given or taken in a derogatory and insulting way...

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"Im confused, which word is the derogative one, coloured or black or white, seems all 3 have been suggested as insultive by 1 post or another. "

Black is not insulting. People who avoid referring to others as black are implying that being black is a negative.

It's like calling women 'ladies' as it is somehow rude to call a woman a woman.

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By *imjohnCouple  over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex


"Im confused, which word is the derogative one, coloured or black or white, seems all 3 have been suggested as insultive by 1 post or another.

Black is not insulting. People who avoid referring to others as black are implying that being black is a negative.

It's like calling women 'ladies' as it is somehow rude to call a woman a woman. "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Love and respect people of all colours, its whats inside the person not the colour of there skin

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

A dog is a dog as a human is a human. We all come in different shapes, sizes and colours. Maybe we shouldtry and see the person and past anything else...

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By *ilthygorgeous1Couple  over a year ago

Oxford


"My son shed 7 used to say brown so I have taught him that the correct term is black. He has asked on many occasions y we say black when the skin colour is actually brown. I have just explained that it is just what we say and I'm not sure the reason. Can any1 tell me if there is a reason??

*aged 7

Though quite cool that your phone defaults to a somewhat underrated indie band! "

Thought it was cool that she had named her son Shed 7!!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman  over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I'm not white.

I don't know any white people.

I know even less white people who say they are not white.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I kmow lots of people and I don't care what their skin looks like.. I care about who they are not what they are.....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

A case in point from a year or two ago.

Tiger Woods, the greatest black golfer ever, the first black this, black that. Same with most top level sports people. Fine, no problems. In my view an unnecessary and overused descriptive word.

Yet, when his former caddie, on winning an award, said "I'd like to shove this up his black arsehole" it was no longer deemed to be descriptive but racist.

Go figure.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I think if you're genuinely offened bt the term coloured then you have a serious mental problem.

Most people know it's not the most appropriate term but I don't believe for a second it is even 1% as offensive as using the word 'nigger'.

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By *imjohnCouple  over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex


"I think if you're genuinely offened bt the term coloured then you have a serious mental problem.

Most people know it's not the most appropriate term but I don't believe for a second it is even 1% as offensive as using the word 'nigger'.

"

No only people with a mental impairment would use the term coloured or nigger & not realise its offensive...

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"

A case in point from a year or two ago.

Tiger Woods, the greatest black golfer ever, the first black this, black that. Same with most top level sports people. Fine, no problems. In my view an unnecessary and overused descriptive word.

Yet, when his former caddie, on winning an award, said "I'd like to shove this up his black arsehole" it was no longer deemed to be descriptive but racist.

Go figure. "

Context is everything. Of course it is racist!!! He chose to make a point of his colour. The insult was offensive enough but he made the choice to strengthen it by throwing in a word about his skin colour because to his mind the very fact of his being black was a negative anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"My son shed 7 used to say brown so I have taught him that the correct term is black. He has asked on many occasions y we say black when the skin colour is actually brown. I have just explained that it is just what we say and I'm not sure the reason. Can any1 tell me if there is a reason??

*aged 7"

Not sure there is actually is a reason. The term 'black' as I understand it, was a political term from the U.S back in the 60's or 70's and which has replaced 'negro'. But then a lot of African Americans also use the term 'African American' to describe themselves as well as 'black'.

We can be too hung up on terms, when the key point is to try to not needlessly offend someone.

Glad to see a conversation about race on here not becoming a 'thing'! lol

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"My son shed 7 used to say brown so I have taught him that the correct term is black. He has asked on many occasions y we say black when the skin colour is actually brown. I have just explained that it is just what we say and I'm not sure the reason. Can any1 tell me if there is a reason??

*aged 7

Not sure there is actually is a reason. The term 'black' as I understand it, was a political term from the U.S back in the 60's or 70's and which has replaced 'negro'. But then a lot of African Americans also use the term 'African American' to describe themselves as well as 'black'.

We can be too hung up on terms, when the key point is to try to not needlessly offend someone.

Glad to see a conversation about race on here not becoming a 'thing'! lol"

Context is everything, as I pointed out in my previous post, A word can be loaded with additional meaning depending upon the phrase, sentence or comment it appears in. I think the key is 'intent'. If there is intent to be offensive by pointing out a person's race then, as any intelligent person knows, it is a racist comment.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The way we see it all this P.C rubbish has set back race relations in this country 20 years.

People who were not in the least bit racist are becoming so because of having all this over the top P.C B.S rammed down their throats.

And the thing is it's mainly white British folk who keep carping on about it while most of the time ethnic people are left rolling their eyes wishing they'd just shut up.

XXXX

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"The way we see it all this P.C rubbish has set back race relations in this country 20 years.

People who were not in the least bit racist are becoming so because of having all this over the top P.C B.S rammed down their throats.

And the thing is it's mainly white British folk who keep carping on about it while most of the time ethnic people are left rolling their eyes wishing they'd just shut up.

XXXX"

Being pc is not rubbish - if it were not for pc there would be more people happily and openly using words like 'nigger' and 'paki'. For me, pc is just using your common sense not to say things which will offend others. Nothing wrong with that in a civilised country.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The way we see it all this P.C rubbish has set back race relations in this country 20 years.

People who were not in the least bit racist are becoming so because of having all this over the top P.C B.S rammed down their throats.

And the thing is it's mainly white British folk who keep carping on about it while most of the time ethnic people are left rolling their eyes wishing they'd just shut up.

XXXX

Being pc is not rubbish - if it were not for pc there would be more people happily and openly using words like 'nigger' and 'paki'. For me, pc is just using your common sense not to say things which will offend others. Nothing wrong with that in a civilised country."

Its rubbish when it's taken to the extent that the white liberal extremists in this country take it.

Even many ethnic communities would agree with that.

Anyone with any common sense wouldn't use the word "nigger" but do you seriously think that preaching P.C will stop racists from using it?

You probably have no qualms about calling someone from Afghanistan an Afghan, likewise Kazakhs, Tajiks, Turkmen, Uzbeks etc.

However, despite the fact that they all live in or come from a Stan (land of), Heaven forbid that you say Paki, who also lives in or comes from a Stan.

XXXX

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"The way we see it all this P.C rubbish has set back race relations in this country 20 years.

People who were not in the least bit racist are becoming so because of having all this over the top P.C B.S rammed down their throats.

And the thing is it's mainly white British folk who keep carping on about it while most of the time ethnic people are left rolling their eyes wishing they'd just shut up.

XXXX

Being pc is not rubbish - if it were not for pc there would be more people happily and openly using words like 'nigger' and 'paki'. For me, pc is just using your common sense not to say things which will offend others. Nothing wrong with that in a civilised country.

Its rubbish when it's taken to the extent that the white liberal extremists in this country take it.

Even many ethnic communities would agree with that.

Anyone with any common sense wouldn't use the word "nigger" but do you seriously think that preaching P.C will stop racists from using it?

You probably have no qualms about calling someone from Afghanistan an Afghan, likewise Kazakhs, Tajiks, Turkmen, Uzbeks etc.

However, despite the fact that they all live in or come from a Stan (land of), Heaven forbid that you say Paki, who also lives in or comes from a Stan.

XXXX"

Are you saying that the term 'paki' is acceptable? Or am I misunderstanding your post?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

One thing that I struggle to understand is why it is OK for the "N" word to be used in music videos and some people use it when greeting each other?

If you can educate me please do.

Mr

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By *extoysareusCouple  over a year ago

kinky heaven

I use the word coloured, I don't find it derogatory, just like tanned or pale, fair, dark

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The way we see it all this P.C rubbish has set back race relations in this country 20 years.

People who were not in the least bit racist are becoming so because of having all this over the top P.C B.S rammed down their throats.

And the thing is it's mainly white British folk who keep carping on about it while most of the time ethnic people are left rolling their eyes wishing they'd just shut up.

XXXX

Being pc is not rubbish - if it were not for pc there would be more people happily and openly using words like 'nigger' and 'paki'. For me, pc is just using your common sense not to say things which will offend others. Nothing wrong with that in a civilised country.

Its rubbish when it's taken to the extent that the white liberal extremists in this country take it.

Even many ethnic communities would agree with that.

Anyone with any common sense wouldn't use the word "nigger" but do you seriously think that preaching P.C will stop racists from using it?

You probably have no qualms about calling someone from Afghanistan an Afghan, likewise Kazakhs, Tajiks, Turkmen, Uzbeks etc.

However, despite the fact that they all live in or come from a Stan (land of), Heaven forbid that you say Paki, who also lives in or comes from a Stan.

XXXX

Are you saying that the term 'paki' is acceptable? Or am I misunderstanding your post? "

What we're saying is, are you saying the other examples we stated are acceptable?

If your answer is "yes" and there's no logical reason that it shouldn't be, then yes Paki should be just as acceptable as the others.

You can't make fish of one and fowl of another just to suit P.C extremism!

XXXX

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"My son shed 7 used to say brown so I have taught him that the correct term is black. He has asked on many occasions y we say black when the skin colour is actually brown. I have just explained that it is just what we say and I'm not sure the reason. Can any1 tell me if there is a reason??

*aged 7"

I have similar aged children. They say brown skin too if they need to describe somebody. I never correct them. Because I don't see the need to.

X

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The way we see it all this P.C rubbish has set back race relations in this country 20 years.

People who were not in the least bit racist are becoming so because of having all this over the top P.C B.S rammed down their throats.

And the thing is it's mainly white British folk who keep carping on about it while most of the time ethnic people are left rolling their eyes wishing they'd just shut up.

XXXX

Being pc is not rubbish - if it were not for pc there would be more people happily and openly using words like 'nigger' and 'paki'. For me, pc is just using your common sense not to say things which will offend others. Nothing wrong with that in a civilised country.

Its rubbish when it's taken to the extent that the white liberal extremists in this country take it.

Even many ethnic communities would agree with that.

Anyone with any common sense wouldn't use the word "nigger" but do you seriously think that preaching P.C will stop racists from using it?

You probably have no qualms about calling someone from Afghanistan an Afghan, likewise Kazakhs, Tajiks, Turkmen, Uzbeks etc.

However, despite the fact that they all live in or come from a Stan (land of), Heaven forbid that you say Paki, who also lives in or comes from a Stan.

XXXX

Are you saying that the term 'paki' is acceptable? Or am I misunderstanding your post?

What we're saying is, are you saying the other examples we stated are acceptable?

If your answer is "yes" and there's no logical reason that it shouldn't be, then yes Paki should be just as acceptable as the others.

You can't make fish of one and fowl of another just to suit P.C extremism!

XXXX"

Seriously, not using the term paki is nothing to do with "PC Extremism"...

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"The way we see it all this P.C rubbish has set back race relations in this country 20 years.

People who were not in the least bit racist are becoming so because of having all this over the top P.C B.S rammed down their throats.

And the thing is it's mainly white British folk who keep carping on about it while most of the time ethnic people are left rolling their eyes wishing they'd just shut up.

XXXX

Being pc is not rubbish - if it were not for pc there would be more people happily and openly using words like 'nigger' and 'paki'. For me, pc is just using your common sense not to say things which will offend others. Nothing wrong with that in a civilised country.

Its rubbish when it's taken to the extent that the white liberal extremists in this country take it.

Even many ethnic communities would agree with that.

Anyone with any common sense wouldn't use the word "nigger" but do you seriously think that preaching P.C will stop racists from using it?

You probably have no qualms about calling someone from Afghanistan an Afghan, likewise Kazakhs, Tajiks, Turkmen, Uzbeks etc.

However, despite the fact that they all live in or come from a Stan (land of), Heaven forbid that you say Paki, who also lives in or comes from a Stan.

XXXX

Are you saying that the term 'paki' is acceptable? Or am I misunderstanding your post?

What we're saying is, are you saying the other examples we stated are acceptable?

If your answer is "yes" and there's no logical reason that it shouldn't be, then yes Paki should be just as acceptable as the others.

You can't make fish of one and fowl of another just to suit P.C extremism!

XXXX

Seriously, not using the term paki is nothing to do with "PC Extremism"... "

So basically using the term 'paki' is acceptable to your way of thinking.

Well that's a specious argument. The term 'paki' derives from the 70s when we had an influx of Commonwealth immigrants. It was mainly used by extreme right wing groups like the National Front.

So, as I have said twice previously, it's all down to context. The origination of the term was racist just as the origination of the term 'nigger' was. Therefore it was and still is an offensive racist insult designed and used for precisely that purpose and not merely a shortening of a word.

I recall as a child in the 70s seeing graffiti saying, 'Pakis go home' and signed NF.

Hence it is not pc extremism at all but anti-racism. And if anyone wishes to label me as such I would wear that label with pride.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The way we see it all this P.C rubbish has set back race relations in this country 20 years.

People who were not in the least bit racist are becoming so because of having all this over the top P.C B.S rammed down their throats.

And the thing is it's mainly white British folk who keep carping on about it while most of the time ethnic people are left rolling their eyes wishing they'd just shut up.

XXXX

Being pc is not rubbish - if it were not for pc there would be more people happily and openly using words like 'nigger' and 'paki'. For me, pc is just using your common sense not to say things which will offend others. Nothing wrong with that in a civilised country.

Its rubbish when it's taken to the extent that the white liberal extremists in this country take it.

Even many ethnic communities would agree with that.

Anyone with any common sense wouldn't use the word "nigger" but do you seriously think that preaching P.C will stop racists from using it?

You probably have no qualms about calling someone from Afghanistan an Afghan, likewise Kazakhs, Tajiks, Turkmen, Uzbeks etc.

However, despite the fact that they all live in or come from a Stan (land of), Heaven forbid that you say Paki, who also lives in or comes from a Stan.

XXXX

Are you saying that the term 'paki' is acceptable? Or am I misunderstanding your post?

What we're saying is, are you saying the other examples we stated are acceptable?

If your answer is "yes" and there's no logical reason that it shouldn't be, then yes Paki should be just as acceptable as the others.

You can't make fish of one and fowl of another just to suit P.C extremism!

XXXX

Seriously, not using the term paki is nothing to do with "PC Extremism"...

So basically using the term 'paki' is acceptable to your way of thinking.

Well that's a specious argument. The term 'paki' derives from the 70s when we had an influx of Commonwealth immigrants. It was mainly used by extreme right wing groups like the National Front.

So, as I have said twice previously, it's all down to context. The origination of the term was racist just as the origination of the term 'nigger' was. Therefore it was and still is an offensive racist insult designed and used for precisely that purpose and not merely a shortening of a word.

I recall as a child in the 70s seeing graffiti saying, 'Pakis go home' and signed NF.

Hence it is not pc extremism at all but anti-racism. And if anyone wishes to label me as such I would wear that label with pride. "

Without wishing to labour the point, just because a word is adopted by racists doesn't mean it's the wrong word to use and should be abolished from that day forward.

If someone disliked the Scottish race for example and said things like Scots Go Home etc, it wouldn't alter the fact that a Scot is someone from Scotland and should still be regarded as such.

See the similarity there, Scotland (Scotstan), Pakistan (Pakiland).

Whether the term Scot or Paki is used in a general or derogatory manner is immaterial, either way it is the correct term to use.

XXXX

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The way we see it all this P.C rubbish has set back race relations in this country 20 years.

People who were not in the least bit racist are becoming so because of having all this over the top P.C B.S rammed down their throats.

And the thing is it's mainly white British folk who keep carping on about it while most of the time ethnic people are left rolling their eyes wishing they'd just shut up.

XXXX

Being pc is not rubbish - if it were not for pc there would be more people happily and openly using words like 'nigger' and 'paki'. For me, pc is just using your common sense not to say things which will offend others. Nothing wrong with that in a civilised country.

Its rubbish when it's taken to the extent that the white liberal extremists in this country take it.

Even many ethnic communities would agree with that.

Anyone with any common sense wouldn't use the word "nigger" but do you seriously think that preaching P.C will stop racists from using it?

You probably have no qualms about calling someone from Afghanistan an Afghan, likewise Kazakhs, Tajiks, Turkmen, Uzbeks etc.

However, despite the fact that they all live in or come from a Stan (land of), Heaven forbid that you say Paki, who also lives in or comes from a Stan.

XXXX

Are you saying that the term 'paki' is acceptable? Or am I misunderstanding your post?

What we're saying is, are you saying the other examples we stated are acceptable?

If your answer is "yes" and there's no logical reason that it shouldn't be, then yes Paki should be just as acceptable as the others.

You can't make fish of one and fowl of another just to suit P.C extremism!

XXXX

Seriously, not using the term paki is nothing to do with "PC Extremism"...

So basically using the term 'paki' is acceptable to your way of thinking.

Well that's a specious argument. The term 'paki' derives from the 70s when we had an influx of Commonwealth immigrants. It was mainly used by extreme right wing groups like the National Front.

So, as I have said twice previously, it's all down to context. The origination of the term was racist just as the origination of the term 'nigger' was. Therefore it was and still is an offensive racist insult designed and used for precisely that purpose and not merely a shortening of a word.

I recall as a child in the 70s seeing graffiti saying, 'Pakis go home' and signed NF.

Hence it is not pc extremism at all but anti-racism. And if anyone wishes to label me as such I would wear that label with pride.

Without wishing to labour the point, just because a word is adopted by racists doesn't mean it's the wrong word to use and should be abolished from that day forward.

If someone disliked the Scottish race for example and said things like Scots Go Home etc, it wouldn't alter the fact that a Scot is someone from Scotland and should still be regarded as such.

See the similarity there, Scotland (Scotstan), Pakistan (Pakiland).

Whether the term Scot or Paki is used in a general or derogatory manner is immaterial, either way it is the correct term to use.

XXXX "

Are you convenienmtly overlooking the fact that the term Paki was/is used as a blanket term to describe all Asians and not just those from Pakistan?

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By *ootlover456Man  over a year ago

Paisley

everyone's the same regardless of race gender sexuality religion or any other words people use to separate us into groups. there's only one acceptable group name for us and that's humanity.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The way we see it all this P.C rubbish has set back race relations in this country 20 years.

People who were not in the least bit racist are becoming so because of having all this over the top P.C B.S rammed down their throats.

And the thing is it's mainly white British folk who keep carping on about it while most of the time ethnic people are left rolling their eyes wishing they'd just shut up.

XXXX

Being pc is not rubbish - if it were not for pc there would be more people happily and openly using words like 'nigger' and 'paki'. For me, pc is just using your common sense not to say things which will offend others. Nothing wrong with that in a civilised country.

Its rubbish when it's taken to the extent that the white liberal extremists in this country take it.

Even many ethnic communities would agree with that.

Anyone with any common sense wouldn't use the word "nigger" but do you seriously think that preaching P.C will stop racists from using it?

You probably have no qualms about calling someone from Afghanistan an Afghan, likewise Kazakhs, Tajiks, Turkmen, Uzbeks etc.

However, despite the fact that they all live in or come from a Stan (land of), Heaven forbid that you say Paki, who also lives in or comes from a Stan.

XXXX

Are you saying that the term 'paki' is acceptable? Or am I misunderstanding your post?

What we're saying is, are you saying the other examples we stated are acceptable?

If your answer is "yes" and there's no logical reason that it shouldn't be, then yes Paki should be just as acceptable as the others.

You can't make fish of one and fowl of another just to suit P.C extremism!

XXXX

Seriously, not using the term paki is nothing to do with "PC Extremism"...

So basically using the term 'paki' is acceptable to your way of thinking.

Well that's a specious argument. The term 'paki' derives from the 70s when we had an influx of Commonwealth immigrants. It was mainly used by extreme right wing groups like the National Front.

So, as I have said twice previously, it's all down to context. The origination of the term was racist just as the origination of the term 'nigger' was. Therefore it was and still is an offensive racist insult designed and used for precisely that purpose and not merely a shortening of a word.

I recall as a child in the 70s seeing graffiti saying, 'Pakis go home' and signed NF.

Hence it is not pc extremism at all but anti-racism. And if anyone wishes to label me as such I would wear that label with pride.

Without wishing to labour the point, just because a word is adopted by racists doesn't mean it's the wrong word to use and should be abolished from that day forward.

If someone disliked the Scottish race for example and said things like Scots Go Home etc, it wouldn't alter the fact that a Scot is someone from Scotland and should still be regarded as such.

See the similarity there, Scotland (Scotstan), Pakistan (Pakiland).

Whether the term Scot or Paki is used in a general or derogatory manner is immaterial, either way it is the correct term to use.

XXXX

Are you convenienmtly overlooking the fact that the term Paki was/is used as a blanket term to describe all Asians and not just those from Pakistan?"

Nothing convenient about it, yes the term is used by some to describe all Asians but that can be because of ignorance as much as racism.

Nor does it alter the facts that we posted previously.

XXXX

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By *et a roomCouple  over a year ago

Leeds


"The way we see it all this P.C rubbish has set back race relations in this country 20 years.

People who were not in the least bit racist are becoming so because of having all this over the top P.C B.S rammed down their throats.

And the thing is it's mainly white British folk who keep carping on about it while most of the time ethnic people are left rolling their eyes wishing they'd just shut up.

XXXX

Being pc is not rubbish - if it were not for pc there would be more people happily and openly using words like 'nigger' and 'paki'. For me, pc is just using your common sense not to say things which will offend others. Nothing wrong with that in a civilised country.

Its rubbish when it's taken to the extent that the white liberal extremists in this country take it.

Even many ethnic communities would agree with that.

Anyone with any common sense wouldn't use the word "nigger" but do you seriously think that preaching P.C will stop racists from using it?

You probably have no qualms about calling someone from Afghanistan an Afghan, likewise Kazakhs, Tajiks, Turkmen, Uzbeks etc.

However, despite the fact that they all live in or come from a Stan (land of), Heaven forbid that you say Paki, who also lives in or comes from a Stan.

XXXX

Are you saying that the term 'paki' is acceptable? Or am I misunderstanding your post?

What we're saying is, are you saying the other examples we stated are acceptable?

If your answer is "yes" and there's no logical reason that it shouldn't be, then yes Paki should be just as acceptable as the others.

You can't make fish of one and fowl of another just to suit P.C extremism!

XXXX

Seriously, not using the term paki is nothing to do with "PC Extremism"...

So basically using the term 'paki' is acceptable to your way of thinking.

Well that's a specious argument. The term 'paki' derives from the 70s when we had an influx of Commonwealth immigrants. It was mainly used by extreme right wing groups like the National Front.

So, as I have said twice previously, it's all down to context. The origination of the term was racist just as the origination of the term 'nigger' was. Therefore it was and still is an offensive racist insult designed and used for precisely that purpose and not merely a shortening of a word.

I recall as a child in the 70s seeing graffiti saying, 'Pakis go home' and signed NF.

Hence it is not pc extremism at all but anti-racism. And if anyone wishes to label me as such I would wear that label with pride. "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Referring to someone as a Scot, and referring to someone as a Paki is NOT the same thing AT ALL.

One is very much a general term for people from Scotland, the other is a hugely derogatory term used to describe people from Pakistan, and more widely used by morons to describe people of Asian descent. If you truly believe they are the same in any way, then you simply do not know what you're talking about.

Honestly.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I find the term highly offensive! We aint coloured in

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I find the term highly offensive! We aint coloured in "

Exactly - wasn't it a slave term originally? I find it terribly sad that this is even a talking point in 2014.

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"The way we see it all this P.C rubbish has set back race relations in this country 20 years.

People who were not in the least bit racist are becoming so because of having all this over the top P.C B.S rammed down their throats.

And the thing is it's mainly white British folk who keep carping on about it while most of the time ethnic people are left rolling their eyes wishing they'd just shut up.

XXXX

Being pc is not rubbish - if it were not for pc there would be more people happily and openly using words like 'nigger' and 'paki'. For me, pc is just using your common sense not to say things which will offend others. Nothing wrong with that in a civilised country.

Its rubbish when it's taken to the extent that the white liberal extremists in this country take it.

Even many ethnic communities would agree with that.

Anyone with any common sense wouldn't use the word "nigger" but do you seriously think that preaching P.C will stop racists from using it?

You probably have no qualms about calling someone from Afghanistan an Afghan, likewise Kazakhs, Tajiks, Turkmen, Uzbeks etc.

However, despite the fact that they all live in or come from a Stan (land of), Heaven forbid that you say Paki, who also lives in or comes from a Stan.

XXXX

Are you saying that the term 'paki' is acceptable? Or am I misunderstanding your post?

What we're saying is, are you saying the other examples we stated are acceptable?

If your answer is "yes" and there's no logical reason that it shouldn't be, then yes Paki should be just as acceptable as the others.

You can't make fish of one and fowl of another just to suit P.C extremism!

XXXX

Seriously, not using the term paki is nothing to do with "PC Extremism"...

So basically using the term 'paki' is acceptable to your way of thinking.

Well that's a specious argument. The term 'paki' derives from the 70s when we had an influx of Commonwealth immigrants. It was mainly used by extreme right wing groups like the National Front.

So, as I have said twice previously, it's all down to context. The origination of the term was racist just as the origination of the term 'nigger' was. Therefore it was and still is an offensive racist insult designed and used for precisely that purpose and not merely a shortening of a word.

I recall as a child in the 70s seeing graffiti saying, 'Pakis go home' and signed NF.

Hence it is not pc extremism at all but anti-racism. And if anyone wishes to label me as such I would wear that label with pride.

Without wishing to labour the point, just because a word is adopted by racists doesn't mean it's the wrong word to use and should be abolished from that day forward.

If someone disliked the Scottish race for example and said things like Scots Go Home etc, it wouldn't alter the fact that a Scot is someone from Scotland and should still be regarded as such.

See the similarity there, Scotland (Scotstan), Pakistan (Pakiland).

Whether the term Scot or Paki is used in a general or derogatory manner is immaterial, either way it is the correct term to use.

XXXX "

The term was not 'adopted' by racists. It was originated by racists!! They originally used the term. It was meant ALWAYS as a racist term not merely the shortening of a word.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I hate the term asian too...

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