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"Question. Do people class the term "spade" in relation to darker skinned people as a racialist term? And if so is it right to promote a party on here by using the term " Queen of spades"?" No I only see 'Spade' as a card or something to dig with. I think if you wanted to be racially offensive you would use another term. | |||
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"I find it an unacceptable term "Me too. Alf Garnet terminology  | |||
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"Wow, we're pretty easy going, but if someone called Mrs Bendy a spade we wouldn't be impressed!" Oh I see, I think I may of mis understood the OP. If you refer to anyones colour other than in a positive manner then whatever the word is its bang out of order | |||
"I find it an unacceptable term
Me too. Alf Garnet terminology "beat us to it! | |||
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"P c brigade bullshit o think a spade as a shovel also part of deck of cards. The amount of inoccous words that are deemed by some as offensive just for sake of is ridoculous and out of interest the spade i have is silver does that mean anyone with silver hair should take offence i bloody hope not. I would not intentionally try offend anyone from any walk of life and if i did upset someone would ask why and if i agreed i would gladly apologise. " its the context of the term and the intent behind it. No one is going to be offended by someone saying they are digging with a spade. | |||
"I wouldn't use it myself. The only term that my black friends use to describe themselves is black just like I use white. "  | |||
"Question. Do people class the term "spade" in relation to darker skinned people as a racialist term? And if so is it right to promote a party on here by using the term " Queen of spades"?" I must be too innocent, never heard of it. But if it's right, I'd be fucking offended | |||
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"I feel it is totally unacceptable term. The reason I ask is that there is a club/party night being advertised on here where a lady is going to be crowned "Queen of spades" and I cant see how this can be right. " Is it just for black women? If not I can't see a problem, it's just using the name for a card as a title. If it is just for black women then I can only assume that if anyone takes part they aren't offended. | |||
"I feel it is totally unacceptable term. The reason I ask is that there is a club/party night being advertised on here where a lady is going to be crowned "Queen of spades" and I cant see how this can be right. " Well I can't see a lot of black guys liking this can you ? | |||
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"Anyone remember Love thy Neighbour , that's what I thought of in regards to spade and racism. If meant in a derogative way I wouldn't be impressed at all. " That was Alf Garnet I think. Very 70s ! | |||
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"i would say it depends what the meaning of the word queen of spades is, is the word spades being used to describe black people or not ?? " exactly! | |||
"I feel it is totally unacceptable term. The reason I ask is that there is a club/party night being advertised on here where a lady is going to be crowned "Queen of spades" and I cant see how this can be right. Is it just for black women? If not I can't see a problem, it's just using the name for a card as a title. If it is just for black women then I can only assume that if anyone takes part they aren't offended." not at all. It is called Taboo Noir. Its is for women and couple who like black men. To be honest I thimk rhe name itself has a very negative connotation. | |||
"Anyone remember Love thy Neighbour , that's what I thought of in regards to spade and racism. If meant in a derogative way I wouldn't be impressed at all. That was Alf Garnet I think. Very 70s !" Just googled it , Jack Smethurst played Eddie Booth. Can you imagine that program ever being allowed now. | |||
"i would say it depends what the meaning of the word queen of spades is, is the word spades being used to describe black people or not ?? exactly!" Yes it is | |||
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"I feel it is totally unacceptable term. The reason I ask is that there is a club/party night being advertised on here where a lady is going to be crowned "Queen of spades" and I cant see how this can be right. Is it just for black women? If not I can't see a problem, it's just using the name for a card as a title. If it is just for black women then I can only assume that if anyone takes part they aren't offended. not at all. It is called Taboo Noir. Its is for women and couple who like black men. To be honest I thimk rhe name itself has a very negative connotation." Do you think you are being offended on someone else behalf when they don't seem offended at all if they are happy to attend? | |||
"I feel it is totally unacceptable term. The reason I ask is that there is a club/party night being advertised on here where a lady is going to be crowned "Queen of spades" and I cant see how this can be right. Is it just for black women? If not I can't see a problem, it's just using the name for a card as a title. If it is just for black women then I can only assume that if anyone takes part they aren't offended. not at all. It is called Taboo Noir. Its is for women and couple who like black men. To be honest I thimk rhe name itself has a very negative connotation. Do you think you are being offended on someone else behalf when they don't seem offended at all if they are happy to attend?" I find it offensive because we live in a modern world where racial discrimination is against the law and above that is morally wrong | |||
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"I feel it is totally unacceptable term. The reason I ask is that there is a club/party night being advertised on here where a lady is going to be crowned "Queen of spades" and I cant see how this can be right. Is it just for black women? If not I can't see a problem, it's just using the name for a card as a title. If it is just for black women then I can only assume that if anyone takes part they aren't offended. not at all. It is called Taboo Noir. Its is for women and couple who like black men. To be honest I thimk rhe name itself has a very negative connotation." The problem is when you mix sex and racial sensitivities. It seems that there are lots of people of all races who believe that where sex is involved any racial sensitivity goes out of the window, I'm not one of them but I'm not sure that I can, in this case, ask that other people follow my line of thinking. | |||
"It's a pretty mainstream thing so I'm guessing the guys who see the tatoo and know it's for their benefit don't mind too much. Still, let's not let that stop us getting offended on their behalf eh?" yeah because if everyone sat by and said/did nothing, the world would by idyllic! | |||
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"I've noticed that only one black person/couple have commented on this so far. Does that say that most of the men who go to these are not offended by the term or is it that because they are using it to describe themselves, like the use of the N word in rap it is OK. Personally I don't like the term." I'm glad you mentioned the N word as I've wondered about that. | |||
"patrick from eastenders was the black man in said program " Oh yeah ! | |||
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"I feel it is totally unacceptable term. The reason I ask is that there is a club/party night being advertised on here where a lady is going to be crowned "Queen of spades" and I cant see how this can be right. Well I can't see a lot of black guys liking this can you ? "Why not? Bare in mind some people specifically mention their colour within their user names and profiles, would they, by extension of their own references to their colour , not consider this a party for black guys? In reference to what the OP has said if the party is specifically to attract black men for those who have a preference for black men then its up to those individuals who attend to decide if they are offended by the reference. I'm not condoning the term but i will say the context in which it is used can define whether its meant to be derogatory or not. Lets not forget there are black people who use the word N*gg* when referring to other black people just as there are asians who would use the word P*k* to refer to other asians yet it is not considered derogatory but ignorant and stupid. Just my thoughts on it  | |||
"I've noticed that only one black person/couple have commented on this so far. Does that say that most of the men who go to these are not offended by the term or is it that because they are using it to describe themselves, like the use of the N word in rap it is OK. Personally I don't like the term." I have not commented because a thread like this goes up most days and I find myself repeating myself. The men that go to these events I would assume are ok with it or they would not go. I am not into these events or these kind of names or stereotypes none of it sits well with me. | |||
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"I've noticed that only one black person/couple have commented on this so far. Does that say that most of the men who go to these are not offended by the term or is it that because they are using it to describe themselves, like the use of the N word in rap it is OK. Personally I don't like the term. I have not commented because a thread like this goes up most days and I find myself repeating myself. The men that go to these events I would assume are ok with it or they would not go. I am not into these events or these kind of names or stereotypes none of it sits well with me." Ah ok so it is down to the persons own views on if it is OK to use the term. Whether they are black, white or green. I guess its just another word that can be used by some as a degrading term or by others as a kind of badge (but not worried if it offends others if they do) | |||
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"I've noticed that only one black person/couple have commented on this so far. Does that say that most of the men who go to these are not offended by the term or is it that because they are using it to describe themselves, like the use of the N word in rap it is OK. Personally I don't like the term." Don't forget that only 1% of people on fab actually use the forum so that's probably why. | |||
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"Hi, It's not a term, personally, that I find palatable. Neither is: 'Blacks (not black people, just 'Blacks'), Colored/Coloured or the N-word.' Don't care which race uses it either! However this 'Queen's of Spades' night is very much down to the people participating. Being involved proves that they are comfortable with the terms and language that may be in play at this event. If the attendee's are happy to be labelled in that way then that is their choice. Just hope that it is not assumed that every other black person is then also happy to fall under that label. If that makes sense?! x " total sense.. | |||
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But,seriously go tell the club, if this offends you. Let them know you feel its racist and it offends you, I bloody one. Maybe suggest the change the name to Queen of Tarts?.  | |||
"What about clubs? And you're a right diamond...yes, ok I jest .
But,seriously go tell the club, if this offends you. Let them know you feel its racist and it offends you, I bloody one. Maybe suggest the change the name to Queen of Tarts?. "Would* not one | |||
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"Hi, It's not a term, personally, that I find palatable. Neither is: 'Blacks (not black people, just 'Blacks'), Colored/Coloured or the N-word.' Don't care which race uses it either! However this 'Queen's of Spades' night is very much down to the people participating. Being involved proves that they are comfortable with the terms and language that may be in play at this event. If the attendee's are happy to be labelled in that way then that is their choice. Just hope that it is not assumed that every other black person is then also happy to fall under that label. If that makes sense?! x " Its a bit like watching something on tv that offends turn it over. For someone to go to club just to complain about something that others who go to the event is bit childish and could spoil the fun for those not offended. The pc brigade make me chuckle sometime. Ad adults we are all free to whether to go a particular themed event no one forced to attend so why all the fuss. If for example i was as has been known to have been called a white mother fucker i dont like it but dont bother me as just words of its said in an aggressive tone then that will be discussed but otherwise water off a ducks back. To me its all about perspectives and on what manner things are said not neccesarrily the words. | |||
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"So would I be right in thinking that racism is acceptable as long as it has a sexual connection?" It entirely depends on how you define racism but yes, in certain contexts it seems that it is. You only need to see how many people preface their stipulation for "no blacks" with sorry to see that some people are uneasy with it being called "just" a preference. | |||
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"So would I be right in thinking that racism is acceptable as long as it has a sexual connection? It entirely depends on how you define racism but yes, in certain contexts it seems that it is. You only need to see how many people preface their stipulation for "no blacks" with sorry to see that some people are uneasy with it being called "just" a preference." surely its a different things to find white or dark skin attractive than it is to use racist terms? Does the same go for brunette over blonde or tall over short? | |||
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"So would I be right in thinking that racism is acceptable as long as it has a sexual connection? It entirely depends on how you define racism but yes, in certain contexts it seems that it is. You only need to see how many people preface their stipulation for "no blacks" with sorry to see that some people are uneasy with it being called "just" a preference. surely its a different things to find white or dark skin attractive than it is to use racist terms? Does the same go for brunette over blonde or tall over short? " Yes it is but my point is that context is everything and people must feel uncomfortable saying it or they wouldn't apologise. | |||
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"So would I be right in thinking that racism is acceptable as long as it has a sexual connection? It entirely depends on how you define racism but yes, in certain contexts it seems that it is. You only need to see how many people preface their stipulation for "no blacks" with sorry to see that some people are uneasy with it being called "just" a preference. surely its a different things to find white or dark skin attractive than it is to use racist terms? Does the same go for brunette over blonde or tall over short? " And as I said it depends on your definition of racism. It is racist to say you prefer one race over another but whether its racist in a bad way entirely depends on the context. | |||
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"The ace of spades is a symbol some women use to show their preference for Bbc. Some wear pendants or jewellery, some have a tattoo to signify that exclusively prefer black men. " Its this,It reminds me of some sort of ownership but so many women seem to happy to wear those little symbols...whatever floats your boat | |||
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"The ace of spades is a symbol some women use to show their preference for Bbc. Some wear pendants or jewellery, some have a tattoo to signify that exclusively prefer black men. Its this,It reminds me of some sort of ownership but so many women seem to happy to wear those little symbols...whatever floats your boat" just as i typed my post, i thought of the tattoo thing. thing is, i (H) have an ace of spades as part of a sleeve. does that mean i only like black cock!!! | |||
"The ace of spades is a symbol some women use to show their preference for Bbc. Some wear pendants or jewellery, some have a tattoo to signify that exclusively prefer black men. Its this,It reminds me of some sort of ownership but so many women seem to happy to wear those little symbols...whatever floats your boatjust as i typed my post, i thought of the tattoo thing. thing is, i (H) have an ace of spades as part of a sleeve. does that mean i only like black cock!!! "I'm afraid so! And now you are legally obliged to be gangbanged by eleven black men (I'm assuming aces are high) | |||
"The ace of spades is a symbol some women use to show their preference for Bbc. Some wear pendants or jewellery, some have a tattoo to signify that exclusively prefer black men. Its this,It reminds me of some sort of ownership but so many women seem to happy to wear those little symbols...whatever floats your boatjust as i typed my post, i thought of the tattoo thing. thing is, i (H) have an ace of spades as part of a sleeve. does that mean i only like black cock!!!
I'm afraid so! And now you are legally obliged to be gangbanged by eleven black men (I'm assuming aces are high) "ooo, my poor mangina!! | |||
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"I dont like the use of the N word but as I understand it that some black people, especially men use it as a way of taking ownership back of the word off the white man who constantly sought to dehumanize them therefore denting their male ego/pride. How slavery and the segregation that followed has had a every lasting effect on Black men and their attitudes and the way the act, it's a really interesting subject to study. And also rappers etc spell the word N.I.G.G.A not nigger or as Tupac says... Never Ignorant Getting Goals Accomplished So I think its used as a way to say fuck u to anyone trying to use that word to offend, abit like joking about yourself being fat, getting in there before anyone else does, if that males sense?" you say taking BACK ownership. would be interested to hear if the use of the word was common BEFORe it was used as a term of insult. if so, then its not really taking it back as it was never owned by black people in the first place, but by the slave owners and racially ignorant as a term of denegration in the first place, and, imo, will never be anything but that (and the same goes for spade used in this way) im not generally over PC but, like the Y word for Jews, at least the word was a Jewish term before being adopted by those that stole it for insulting purposes. | |||
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"I dont like the use of the N word but as I understand it that some black people, especially men use it as a way of taking ownership back of the word off the white man who constantly sought to dehumanize them therefore denting their male ego/pride. How slavery and the segregation that followed has had a every lasting effect on Black men and their attitudes and the way the act, it's a really interesting subject to study. And also rappers etc spell the word N.I.G.G.A not nigger or as Tupac says... Never Ignorant Getting Goals Accomplished So I think its used as a way to say fuck u to anyone trying to use that word to offend, abit like joking about yourself being fat, getting in there before anyone else does, if that males sense? you say taking BACK ownership. would be interested to hear if the use of the word was common BEFORe it was used as a term of insult. if so, then its not really taking it back as it was never owned by black people in the first place, but by the slave owners and racially ignorant as a term of denegration in the first place, and, imo, will never be anything but that (and the same goes for spade used in this way) im not generally over PC but, like the Y word for Jews, at least the word was a Jewish term before being adopted by those that stole it for insulting purposes." Drop the word BACK then, taking ownership. I dont agree with the use of the word either, ive only ever had it said to me in a negative way so I hate hearing it, im sinply offering an explanation as to why some Black people use it. There is lots of info as to why on the net, google is your friend. Its all about context I guess, if your using any word to put someone down because of their race then that's wrong, are these rappers uaing the N word to slate their own race? I dont think so, but I wosh they would use a bloody different word cause basically everyone else thinks its ok to say it then! Its not, the word shud dissapear like other age old racist terms but them rpping about it is keepwit going, I wish they'd wise up to that but there geting paid too much to care to be honest. | |||
"Drop the word BACK then, taking ownership. I dont agree with the use of the word either, ive only ever had it said to me in a negative way so I hate hearing it, im sinply offering an explanation as to why some Black people use it. There is lots of info as to why on the net, google is your friend. Its all about context I guess, if your using any word to put someone down because of their race then that's wrong, are these rappers uaing the N word to slate their own race? I dont think so, but I wosh they would use a bloody different word cause basically everyone else thinks its ok to say it then! Its not, the word shud dissapear like other age old racist terms but them rpping about it is keepwit going, I wish they'd wise up to that but there geting paid too much to care to be honest." im not arguing with you, i was genuinely asking if you knew whether the N word was in common usage before the slave trade by a race of people for their own use, and it was just stolen by racists to use as a word to denegrate. as for the acronym used by the likes of Tupac, well that can be done by anyone to justify the use of any horrible word you like, i remember when i was a kid, someone tried to justify using the word WOG because it stood for Westindian Originated Gentleman. i didnt believe in it then, and i dont beleive in it now | |||
"I feel it is totally unacceptable term. The reason I ask is that there is a club/party night being advertised on here where a lady is going to be crowned "Queen of spades" and I cant see how this can be right. " you cant very well say 'queen of tarts' either can you?. | |||
"Drop the word BACK then, taking ownership. I dont agree with the use of the word either, ive only ever had it said to me in a negative way so I hate hearing it, im sinply offering an explanation as to why some Black people use it. There is lots of info as to why on the net, google is your friend. Its all about context I guess, if your using any word to put someone down because of their race then that's wrong, are these rappers uaing the N word to slate their own race? I dont think so, but I wosh they would use a bloody different word cause basically everyone else thinks its ok to say it then! Its not, the word shud dissapear like other age old racist terms but them rpping about it is keepwit going, I wish they'd wise up to that but there geting paid too much to care to be honest. im not arguing with you, i was genuinely asking if you knew whether the N word was in common usage before the slave trade by a race of people for their own use, and it was just stolen by racists to use as a word to denegrate. as for the acronym used by the likes of Tupac, well that can be done by anyone to justify the use of any horrible word you like, i remember when i was a kid, someone tried to justify using the word WOG because it stood for Westindian Originated Gentleman. i didnt believe in it then, and i dont beleive in it now" lol west indian originated gentleman! Yeh the tupac quote il have to look that up as I know he was often asked about using the N word in his music and that was one of his replies I think. Alot of young black men looked upto him (and still do) he always had alot to say about black rights and then used the N (alot) so be interesting to check what his justification was for using it. | |||
"I've noticed that only one black person/couple have commented on this so far. Does that say that most of the men who go to these are not offended by the term or is it that because they are using it to describe themselves, like the use of the N word in rap it is OK. Personally I don't like the term. I'm glad you mentioned the N word as I've wondered about that. " some say that by using the N word they are reclaiming it..... some dont mind... some find it abhorant... my friends know I hate that word and don't tolerate it being used in my direction..... in fact last time it was used in my direction was during a football game.... I then proceeded to kick him up in the air for the next 60 minutes, ending in me being sent off after he "ran into my elbow"....... | |||
"I've noticed that only one black person/couple have commented on this so far. Does that say that most of the men who go to these are not offended by the term or is it that because they are using it to describe themselves, like the use of the N word in rap it is OK. Personally I don't like the term. I'm glad you mentioned the N word as I've wondered about that. some say that by using the N word they are reclaiming it..... some dont mind... some find it abhorant... my friends know I hate that word and don't tolerate it being used in my direction..... in fact last time it was used in my direction was during a football game.... I then proceeded to kick him up in the air for the next 60 minutes, ending in me being sent off after he "ran into my elbow"......." Did that change his racist views? | |||
"P c brigade bullshit o think a spade as a shovel also part of deck of cards. The amount of inoccous words that are deemed by some as offensive just for sake of is ridoculous and out of interest the spade i have is silver does that mean anyone with silver hair should take offence i bloody hope not. I would not intentionally try offend anyone from any walk of life and if i did upset someone would ask why and if i agreed i would gladly apologise. " | |||
" Did that change his racist views?" don't have a clue... I was that angry I basically lost it... I know he never called me it again in other games I played against him..... | |||
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"Drop the word BACK then, taking ownership. I dont agree with the use of the word either, ive only ever had it said to me in a negative way so I hate hearing it, im sinply offering an explanation as to why some Black people use it. There is lots of info as to why on the net, google is your friend. Its all about context I guess, if your using any word to put someone down because of their race then that's wrong, are these rappers uaing the N word to slate their own race? I dont think so, but I wosh they would use a bloody different word cause basically everyone else thinks its ok to say it then! Its not, the word shud dissapear like other age old racist terms but them rpping about it is keepwit going, I wish they'd wise up to that but there geting paid too much to care to be honest. im not arguing with you, i was genuinely asking if you knew whether the N word was in common usage before the slave trade by a race of people for their own use, and it was just stolen by racists to use as a word to denegrate. as for the acronym used by the likes of Tupac, well that can be done by anyone to justify the use of any horrible word you like, i remember when i was a kid, someone tried to justify using the word WOG because it stood for Westindian Originated Gentleman. i didnt believe in it then, and i dont beleive in it now" Ok this is just to show where the n word came from. The history of the word n**** is often traced to the Latin word niger, meaning Black. This word became the noun, Negro (Black person) in English, and simply the color Black in Spanish and Portuguese. So the word n***** has only ever really been used as a term to put others down I guess. | |||
"I feel it is totally unacceptable term. The reason I ask is that there is a club/party night being advertised on here where a lady is going to be crowned "Queen of spades" and I cant see how this can be right. " perhaps you should put your question to the organisers that way you will be able to put it into context. | |||
"I hate the N word. If there is a black race that used it before slavery then ok, but still don't use it in my direction as all I know it's from slavery days and that's all many people know it from. " i share your opinion, but the case for it being unacceptable is undermined by individuals who refer to their friends as "my n****r" | |||
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"P c brigade bullshit o think a spade as a shovel also part of deck of cards. The amount of inoccous words that are deemed by some as offensive just for sake of is ridoculous and out of interest the spade i have is silver does that mean anyone with silver hair should take offence i bloody hope not. I would not intentionally try offend anyone from any walk of life and if i did upset someone would ask why and if i agreed i would gladly apologise. " | |||
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"I've noticed that only one black person/couple have commented on this so far. Does that say that most of the men who go to these are not offended by the term or is it that because they are using it to describe themselves, like the use of the N word in rap it is OK. Personally I don't like the term. I'm glad you mentioned the N word as I've wondered about that. some say that by using the N word they are reclaiming it..... some dont mind... some find it abhorant... my friends know I hate that word and don't tolerate it being used in my direction..... in fact last time it was used in my direction was during a football game.... I then proceeded to kick him up in the air for the next 60 minutes, ending in me being sent off after he "ran into my elbow"......." Of course you were born in America you know more about this subject than anyone! I know because you have stated many a time in forums!! Basically it's acceptable for a black man to use any term about his own but not when a white man says it! Because then it's racism ! That correct? | |||
"I've noticed that only one black person/couple have commented on this so far. Does that say that most of the men who go to these are not offended by the term or is it that because they are using it to describe themselves, like the use of the N word in rap it is OK. Personally I don't like the term. I'm glad you mentioned the N word as I've wondered about that. some say that by using the N word they are reclaiming it..... some dont mind... some find it abhorant... my friends know I hate that word and don't tolerate it being used in my direction..... in fact last time it was used in my direction was during a football game.... I then proceeded to kick him up in the air for the next 60 minutes, ending in me being sent off after he "ran into my elbow"....... Of course you were born in America you know more about this subject than anyone! I know because you have stated many a time in forums!! Basically it's acceptable for a black man to use any term about his own but not when a white man says it! Because then it's racism ! That correct?" what ur confusing racism with is derogatory validation when used between members of the same race. (not me), but I could call someone a 'n' not being racist, but actually saying they are typical of what 'n' is, which essentially would be 'stupid''weak''lower class' etc etc..than themselves, despite being of the same race. | |||
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 so would never get the queen of spades crown,its only been brought in as a bit of fun,not ment in a racial way at all at this 2nd party,its fully Booked with waiting list so hasnt affended anybody that is going,and that is black bulls
,cuckholds and woman that like blackmen
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"P c brigade bullshit o think a spade as a shovel also part of deck of cards. The amount of inoccous words that are deemed by some as offensive just for sake of is ridoculous and out of interest the spade i have is silver does that mean anyone with silver hair should take offence i bloody hope not. I would not intentionally try offend anyone from any walk of life and if i did upset someone would ask why and if i agreed i would gladly apologise. its the context of the term and the intent behind it. No one is going to be offended by someone saying they are digging with a spade. " What if it were a black spade...? | |||
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"Some reading (as many in this thread clearly need it) The word spade was used as an ethnic slur against black americans for a long time. It has waned in popularity, but that didn't stop it spreading outside of America. Bak then, when you wanted to emphasise the depth of a black person's skin colour, you said: "black as the ace of spades" The word Spade is also listed in at least wo worldwide dictionaries as once/ sometimes having offensive meanings, if used in that context. I'm sure you can figure out the Queen of Spades phrase and how it stacks up in comparison. I'll freely admit that it isn't nearly as common as this thread makes it out to be. And ladies that identify with the term usually have it as a tattoo somewhere on their person. Finally, to address the n-word discussion.... There are 2 variants of the word. One is the reclaimed form (look it up if you don't understand) used mostly amongst black people when referring to themselves. This one is both spelt and pronounced differently to the other, more offensive variant of the word. In some black communities, it is used as a term of endearment or playful joking. It also ends in the letter "a" The second variant is the deeply offensive one, of which there can be no mistaking intent. Ever. It is spelt differently (ends in "er") and also pronounced differently. Here's a tip.....if in doubt, don't drop an n-bomb at all. Regardless of your skin colour. Now, i'll get some popcorn....as you were." all I ever hear is words causing offense and being racial ! Why just get on with a job keep busy and instead of scrutinizing every work looking for a form if racism init! Some almost make it their full time job | |||
"all I ever hear is words causing offense and being racial ! Why just get on with a job keep busy and instead of scrutinizing every work looking for a form if racism init! Some almost make it their full time job" Yeah historical context...how the hell does it work. Damn those minorities for getting upset at shit that happened years ago right? Oh wait..... | |||
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"Some reading (as many in this thread clearly need it) The word spade was used as an ethnic slur against black americans for a long time. It has waned in popularity, but that didn't stop it spreading outside of America. Bak then, when you wanted to emphasise the depth of a black person's skin colour, you said: "black as the ace of spades" The word Spade is also listed in at least wo worldwide dictionaries as once/ sometimes having offensive meanings, if used in that context. I'm sure you can figure out the Queen of Spades phrase and how it stacks up in comparison. I'll freely admit that it isn't nearly as common as this thread makes it out to be. And ladies that identify with the term usually have it as a tattoo somewhere on their person. Finally, to address the n-word discussion.... There are 2 variants of the word. One is the reclaimed form (look it up if you don't understand) used mostly amongst black people when referring to themselves. This one is both spelt and pronounced differently to the other, more offensive variant of the word. In some black communities, it is used as a term of endearment or playful joking. It also ends in the letter "a" The second variant is the deeply offensive one, of which there can be no mistaking intent. Ever. It is spelt differently (ends in "er") and also pronounced differently. Here's a tip.....if in doubt, don't drop an n-bomb at all. Regardless of your skin colour. Now, i'll get some popcorn....as you were.all I ever hear is words causing offense and being racial ! Why just get on with a job keep busy and instead of scrutinizing every work looking for a form if racism init! Some almost make it their full time job" | |||
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"OK my point of view (male half of the profile), being non-caucasian yep I do find the word "spade" when used in the descriptive manner as offensive as the N word. And yes there has been violence used in the past as a means of "attitude adjustment" " Attitude adjustment
Fookin classic. I must remember that later when a cuff MrNotts about the place. " no hunni I'm not beating you, I'm merely implementing attitude adjustment
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"Free speech doesn't mean you can say anything you want without consequence. If your loins are burning because you want to say a racist or offensive word, please.....be my guest. I'm also allowed to react to your tripe accordingly. Try not to be so mentally lazy okay? Sidenote, as i said before, context matters. If we are having a discussion about farming, and you mention a spade (the farming tool), i won't be offended thanks to the context. However, if you call me a spade, my reaction would be altogether different. How adults still don't understand the above is totally beyond me. But you'd rather deflect by ranting and raving about the erosion of your right to say whatever nonsense tumbles out of your mouth "Some sense | |||
" Of course you were born in America you know more about this subject than anyone! I know because you have stated many a time in forums!! Basically it's acceptable for a black man to use any term about his own but not when a white man says it! Because then it's racism ! That correct?" Seriously, if you are going to troll, then at least do it with all the info rather that make your own idea Point is I don't take it from ANYONE, regardless of what colour they happen to be! Same for a lot of people... But heck thanks for picking up on my contribution when a lot of other people said exactly the same thing before me | |||
"Free speech doesn't mean you can say anything you want without consequence. If your loins are burning because you want to say a racist or offensive word, please.....be my guest. I'm also allowed to react to your tripe accordingly. Try not to be so mentally lazy okay? Sidenote, as i said before, context matters. If we are having a discussion about farming, and you mention a spade (the farming tool), i won't be offended thanks to the context. However, if you call me a spade, my reaction would be altogether different. How adults still don't understand the above is totally beyond me. But you'd rather deflect by ranting and raving about the erosion of your right to say whatever nonsense tumbles out of your mouth "
So is that why I get strange looks at the park when I'm calling for my two black Labradors Sambo and Spade?  .
For those of you hard of literacy that was sarcasm and yes that was a purposely bad taste joke to highlight how not right it is.
Come on, It's not on whatever way those words are used if they are or have been used as a slur against people colour, race, nationality.
Personally as a white person (in case you hadn't noticed or guessed) I find that term very offensive, so I can imagine that anyone using the term spade or similar when referring to a black person must provoke the same sort of reaction when someone calls me a tranny.
I used to baulk when my grandparents neighbours would happily talk about black people using the word Coon. These words make feel quite ill.
We live in a modern multi cultural and multi faith society that means we should be respectful of others or we are just as bad as any fascists out there.
If Black guys are happy to attend that night they are in my opinion just submitting to the stereotype that they are subservient to the queen (I.e. Serving her needs) and that seems a very odd thing to me to do especially if they are often white women as others have suggested the term refers. If they are game for that just to get their dick wet then more fool them.
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"I feel it is totally unacceptable term. The reason I ask is that there is a club/party night being advertised on here where a lady is going to be crowned "Queen of spades" and I cant see how this can be right. " I'm sure those there will not be complaining.... | |||
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"I've never ever heard the word 'spade' used in reference to black people before "Its quite an old fashioned term I think. | |||
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"I hate the term asian and prefer to be classed as indian" I hate the term british and prefer to be classed as ENGLISH but keep getting pigeon holed on passport and applications as british,the scots,irish,welsh all want to keep the identity and i want to keep mine. | |||
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"I wouldn't use it myself. The only term that my black friends use to describe themselves is black just like I use white. " | |||
"im sure all those African slaves that died being transported, or indeed worked to death, would rest easy in their shallow graves knowing a word that was used to keep them down, is now happily being used so their precestors can get a bit." Pffffft! Don't you know that the "PC Brigade" are taking away our words? The workd has gone mad!!
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(btw i have NO interest in your making money from black guy nights at all. but why not call them blackman worship nights rather than making it the white woman that is the icon of worship?) | |||
"I can respect people holding different views on this topic since that is what being a discussion forum is all about BUT I draw the line at someone making accusations about me or our team of "making" money via racism! I want this publicly known that whomever is behind this slander is doing it because of their own personal agenda and it has very little or nothing to do with racism per se. If I am wrong then the person/s making this outrageous claim should now, given my statement above justify their incendiary comments. Firstly define racism and then justify how I am making money from peddling it? Simply stating that racism is racism and should be halted adds nothing to the discussion and denotes a poor understanding of what racism actually is and how it really does affect people around the world in within our Island shores. Yes racism does still exist in the UK and it can really affect the life chances of people of colour particularly in education and employment but it is a complex multi-faceted issue that require serious analysis and not glib self serving insults from people who just keep hollering racism to slander other who organise sex parties between consensual adults. I repeat again that as a man whose parents and grand parents came to this country from the Jamaica I am in no way seeking to use any racial epithets to offend or slur anyone at Taboo Noir but we won't be hushed up by those in the PC brigade who hijack the racism banner for their own provocative purposes. You are welcome to accuse me of making money from being deviant or even perverted but I draw the line at racism. Get of your moral high ground, you are in the wrong place, fighting the wrong battle with the wrong person! Enough said here methinks. Master P" Just for the record i am taking the moral high ground because i am right. Racism is wrong therefore you are wrong. It really is as simple as that. More than enough said... | |||
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"I've never ever heard the word 'spade' used in reference to black people before
Its quite an old fashioned term I think."I was brought up in South London in a very mixted ethnic background in the late 60s and early 70s. I think it was simply derived from a descriptive word "black as the ace of spades" and was very much used without "meaning" to cause offense. However in this day and age it does sound offensive and i certainly wouldnt have used the word in the last 35 years | |||
"?Random Word 2.?Spade A offensive nickname for a african american ''oi you fuckin spade why grassin on me!'' From the urban dictionary" I think this is more of a modern take on things and from an American perpective too! Times change and that even affects word meanings and contexts too. So In todays society its. obviously offensive. | |||
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"I've never ever heard the word 'spade' used in reference to black people before
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"So how many of u white folk would b offended if i called you a limey? Historically Derogatory term for an english salior. "Not really because I don't feel it applies to me. I overheard some French people calling me ros bif once and felt a but intimidated because there was malice in their voice. I often get called mzungu. | |||
"So how many of u white folk would b offended if i called you a limey? Historically Derogatory term for an english salior.
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"So how many of u white folk would b offended if i called you a limey? Historically Derogatory term for an english salior. "Not a term i'd ever use. But then, i'm not a deliberate jerk. And i actually bother to educate myself on the history behind certain words, especially if there is a chance they might cause offence. Then i remove them from my vocabulary. | |||
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"What's cracker all about? Look it up. Google is easy." Pmsl! Sounds like one for the BDSM community! | |||
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"Question. Do people class the term "spade" in relation to darker skinned people as a racialist term? And if so is it right to promote a party on here by using the term " Queen of spades"?" referring to a dark skinned person as a spade is racist you may aswell call them a N@$%@R but if the party organizer is dark skinned and is referring to herself as the queen of spades isn't racist as you can't racifiy yourself you can stand in front of a cop and call yourself honkey if you like but the moment you direct it at a specific person or race then your going to jail for racist remarks or for causing public distress and public out rage | |||
"So how many of u white folk would b offended if i called you a limey? Historically Derogatory term for an english salior.
Not really because I don't feel it applies to me. I overheard some French people calling me ros bif once and felt a but intimidated because there was malice in their voice. I often get called mzungu.
Iv no idea what either of those terms mean! Lol "rosbif is the French (humourous) word for English and Mzungu is a common term used in Africa to describe white ppl of European decent so not racist remarks | |||
"I can respect people holding different views on this topic since that is what being a discussion forum is all about BUT I draw the line at someone making accusations about me or our team of "making" money via racism! I want this publicly known that whomever is behind this slander is doing it because of their own personal agenda and it has very little or nothing to do with racism per se. If I am wrong then the person/s making this outrageous claim should now, given my statement above justify their incendiary comments. Firstly define racism and then justify how I am making money from peddling it? Simply stating that racism is racism and should be halted adds nothing to the discussion and denotes a poor understanding of what racism actually is and how it really does affect people around the world in within our Island shores. Yes racism does still exist in the UK and it can really affect the life chances of people of colour particularly in education and employment but it is a complex multi-faceted issue that require serious analysis and not glib self serving insults from people who just keep hollering racism to slander other who organise sex parties between consensual adults. I repeat again that as a man whose parents and grand parents came to this country from the Jamaica I am in no way seeking to use any racial epithets to offend or slur anyone at Taboo Noir but we won't be hushed up by those in the PC brigade who hijack the racism banner for their own provocative purposes. You are welcome to accuse me of making money from being deviant or even perverted but I draw the line at racism. Get of your moral high ground, you are in the wrong place, fighting the wrong battle with the wrong person! Enough said here methinks. Master P Just for the record i am taking the moral high ground because i am right. Racism is wrong therefore you are wrong. It really is as simple as that. More than enough said... " No not enough said you need to start reading about racism to get your facts straight fuck it I'll even start your P.C ass off Racism is generally defined as actions, practices, or beliefs that consider the human species to be divided into races with shared traits, abilities, or qualities, such as personality, intellect, morality, or other cultural behavioral characteristics, and especially the belief that races can be ranked as inherently superior or inferior to others, or that members of different races should be treated differently.[1][2] The exact definition of racism is controversial both because there is little scholarly agreement about the meaning of the concept "race", and because there is also little agreement about what does and does not constitute discrimination. Critics argue that the term is applied differentially, with a focus on such prejudices by whites, and defining mere observations of racial differences as racism.[3] Some definitions would have it that any assumption that a person's behavior would be influenced by their racial categorization is racist, regardless of whether the action is intentionally harmful or pejorative. Other definitions only include consciously malignant forms of discrimination.[4] Among the questions about how to define racism are the question of whether to include forms of discrimination that are unintentional, such as making assumptions about preferences or abilities of others based on racial stereotypes, whether to include symbolic or institutionalized forms of discrimination such as the circulation of ethnic stereotypes through the media, and whether to include the socio-political dynamics of social stratification that sometimes have a racial component. Some definitions of racism also include discriminatory behaviors and beliefs based on cultural, national, ethnic, caste, or religious stereotypes.[2][5] Racism and racial discrimination are often used to describe discrimination on an ethnic or cultural basis, independent of whether these differences are described as racial. According to the United Nations convention, there is no distinction between the terms racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination, and superiority based on racial differentiation is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous, and that there is no justification for racial discrimination, in theory or in practice, anywhere.[6] In history, racism was a driving force behind the transatlantic slave trade, and behind states based on racial segregation such as the U.S. in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries and South Africa under apartheid.[7] Practices and ideologies of racism are universally condemned by the United Nations in the Declaration of Human Rights.[8] It has also been a major part of the political and ideological underpinning of genocides such as The Holocaust, but also in colonial contexts such as the rubber booms in South America and the Congo, and in the European conquest of the Americas and colonization of Africa, Asia and Australia. | |||
"We have move on since the 1970s ." Obviously not or we wouldn't be having this discussion would we I grew up in a heavy African&Asian city if I used the N word or any degrading term they would of broke my jaw the law should be changed so if a person is racially degraded then the victim should be allowed to bust their jaw let's see how long racism lasts then as you'd fucking think twice | |||
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" . I overheard some French people calling me ros bif once and felt a but intimidated because there was malice in their voice. I often get called rosbif is the French (humourous) word for English and Mzungu is a common term used in Africa to describe white ppl of European decent so not racist remarks " Context is all when it comes to how a word is used or perceived, that is one of the main points in this discussion. | |||
"so, drkvamp, your post suggests racism only exists if it can be proven its a dergoatory term. personally, a woman calling herself 'the queen of spades' because she lords it over black men, is a derogatory term. would it be fine fora lover of oriental men to call herself 'queen of chinks'? or any other derogatory term that can be applied. no and just because its used for sexual purposes doesnt make it right. the vast majority of the civilised world has come on leaps na dbounds where racism is concerned, but to use terms that have historically been used to devalue and denegrate a certain section of society, purely based on the colour of their skin, is wrong. nuff said, blood" the term racism was first used in 1930s in this day in age any word can now be racist. There is a dark skinned guy on this thread called something shadow(sorry pal) so yes its ok for a certain race to call it themselves when you do something stupid you'll call yourself a dick or something does it mean you are a dick no in rap and R&B songs they call themselves the N word and their not being racist and if you read my earlier post you'll see the description for racism | |||
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"so, drkvamp, your post suggests racism only exists if it can be proven its a dergoatory term. personally, a woman calling herself 'the queen of spades' because she lords it over black men, is a derogatory term. would it be fine fora lover of oriental men to call herself 'queen of chinks'? or any other derogatory term that can be applied. no and just because its used for sexual purposes doesnt make it right. the vast majority of the civilised world has come on leaps na dbounds where racism is concerned, but to use terms that have historically been used to devalue and denegrate a certain section of society, purely based on the colour of their skin, is wrong. nuff said, blood the term racism was first used in 1930s in this day in age any word can now be racist. There is a dark skinned guy on this thread called something shadow(sorry pal) so yes its ok for a certain race to call it themselves when you do something stupid you'll call yourself a dick or something does it mean you are a dick no in rap and R&B songs they call themselves the N word and their not being racist and if you read my earlier post you'll see the description for racism "yes darkshadow, dont see how you would suggest his name would be racist??? however, if he was called spademan or something, then yes, i would find that very much uncomfortable. the problem is, when you use a word that has itshistory steeped in racial tradition, you are making it ok to use again, and once its ok to use again, it will be used in its original context. my nephew has started saying the N word to people, because he beleives this to be fine as he talks 'street'. because he listens to black music and its used so prevalently then surely he cant be wrong, so why would offense be taken? because its an offensive term, and so is spade when describing a black s=personage | |||
"I can respect people holding different views on this topic since that is what being a discussion forum is all about BUT I draw the line at someone making accusations about me or our team of "making" money via racism! I want this publicly known that whomever is behind this slander is doing it because of their own personal agenda and it has very little or nothing to do with racism per se. If I am wrong then the person/s making this outrageous claim should now, given my statement above justify their incendiary comments. Firstly define racism and then justify how I am making money from peddling it? Simply stating that racism is racism and should be halted adds nothing to the discussion and denotes a poor understanding of what racism actually is and how it really does affect people around the world in within our Island shores. Yes racism does still exist in the UK and it can really affect the life chances of people of colour particularly in education and employment but it is a complex multi-faceted issue that require serious analysis and not glib self serving insults from people who just keep hollering racism to slander other who organise sex parties between consensual adults. I repeat again that as a man whose parents and grand parents came to this country from the Jamaica I am in no way seeking to use any racial epithets to offend or slur anyone at Taboo Noir but we won't be hushed up by those in the PC brigade who hijack the racism banner for their own provocative purposes. You are welcome to accuse me of making money from being deviant or even perverted but I draw the line at racism. Get of your moral high ground, you are in the wrong place, fighting the wrong battle with the wrong person! Enough said here methinks. Master P Just for the record i am taking the moral high ground because i am right. Racism is wrong therefore you are wrong. It really is as simple as that. More than enough said... No not enough said you need to start reading about racism to get your facts straight fuck it I'll even start your P.C ass off Racism is generally defined as actions, practices, or beliefs that consider the human species to be divided into races with shared traits, abilities, or qualities, such as personality, intellect, morality, or other cultural behavioral characteristics, and especially the belief that races can be ranked as inherently superior or inferior to others, or that members of different races should be treated differently.[1][2] The exact definition of racism is controversial both because there is little scholarly agreement about the meaning of the concept "race", and because there is also little agreement about what does and does not constitute discrimination. Critics argue that the term is applied differentially, with a focus on such prejudices by whites, and defining mere observations of racial differences as racism.[3] Some definitions would have it that any assumption that a person's behavior would be influenced by their racial categorization is racist, regardless of whether the action is intentionally harmful or pejorative. Other definitions only include consciously malignant forms of discrimination.[4] Among the questions about how to define racism are the question of whether to include forms of discrimination that are unintentional, such as making assumptions about preferences or abilities of others based on racial stereotypes, whether to include symbolic or institutionalized forms of discrimination such as the circulation of ethnic stereotypes through the media, and whether to include the socio-political dynamics of social stratification that sometimes have a racial component. Some definitions of racism also include discriminatory behaviors and beliefs based on cultural, national, ethnic, caste, or religious stereotypes.[2][5] Racism and racial discrimination are often used to describe discrimination on an ethnic or cultural basis, independent of whether these differences are described as racial. According to the United Nations convention, there is no distinction between the terms racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination, and superiority based on racial differentiation is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous, and that there is no justification for racial discrimination, in theory or in practice, anywhere.[6] In history, racism was a driving force behind the transatlantic slave trade, and behind states based on racial segregation such as the U.S. in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries and South Africa under apartheid.[7] Practices and ideologies of racism are universally condemned by the United Nations in the Declaration of Human Rights.[8] It has also been a major part of the political and ideological underpinning of genocides such as The Holocaust, but also in colonial contexts such as the rubber booms in South America and the Congo, and in the European conquest of the Americas and colonization of Africa, Asia and Australia. " | |||
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