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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I've just been reading about proposals from the government that would mean swingers clubs needing to pay for a licence that might cost up to £15000.
Does anyone know any details on this as it seems old Gordon Brown is now taxing everything I enjoy!!
Can this be right as it sounds expensive for club owners to have to fork out. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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i havent heard owt hun but if i do i will come back and let you know lets hope its not other wise the price of entrance may go up alot and that wud mean less ppl
happy new year |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I've just been reading about proposals from the government that would mean swingers clubs needing to pay for a licence that might cost up to £15000.
Does anyone know any details on this as it seems old Gordon Brown is now taxing everything I enjoy!!
Can this be right as it sounds expensive for club owners to have to fork out."
i just googles it and could only find stuff about swingers clubs in usa fingers crossed it stays over there |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Hi- to be honest I've googled it myself and couldnt find anything on it but I wouldnt put it past old Golden Brown to stick another tax on my enjoyment!! lol
Hope it never happens  |
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Would mean clubs having to pay for the same license as Sex Shops....when our friend ran the Sex Shop in Exeter the annual license (in 2007) was £13,800.
This is an up front payment by the way, it's an offshoot from Tory proposals to close many clubs if and when they come to power, and force others that are permitted to remain to pay the same as sex shops for licences.
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Glasgow has a great trick re Sex Shop Licences. You have to pay £12,061 (no, I dunno where they got that from either) JUST TO APPLY FOR ONE and the Licensing Committee have decided, in advance, that the appropriate number of licences for Glasgow should be nil. |
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"gud old rip off britain  "
The Annual license for swingers clubs on the Island of Gran Canaria is 22,000 Euros (That is what our friends at TU Y YO pay)
Not entirely sure but think that it is just as expensive in Holland.
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"Glasgow has a great trick re Sex Shop Licences. You have to pay £12,061 (no, I dunno where they got that from either) JUST TO APPLY FOR ONE and the Licensing Committee have decided, in advance, that the appropriate number of licences for Glasgow should be nil."
Not surprised Jim, the application fee for a sex shop license in Devon is £3,500 + Vat (was in 2007), this money is non returnable if the application is refused....
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Jane- whats the story with the Tories and closing down clubs if they get in?
Is this likely? I hope not.
More googling hasnt got me any more info on the possible new charge either.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Jane- whats the story with the Tories and closing down clubs if they get in?
Is this likely? I hope not.
More googling hasnt got me any more info on the possible new charge either. "
I suspect a labour supporter is saying that....
Remember, if you read it on the Internet, it must be true |
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I doubt this is policy from either of the main parties. The cost of legislating and administering such a tax would outweigh the revenue derived.
That's not to say a particular local authority might not see the chance to squeeze some venues out of existence if there had been local complaints. There's already, I believe, legislation will shortly (alread?) come into force in respect of lap-dancing clubs and allowing local residents to vote on whether licences should be granted/ continued. |
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"Jane- whats the story with the Tories and closing down clubs if they get in?
Is this likely? I hope not.
More googling hasnt got me any more info on the possible new charge either. "
There were a group of Tories including Anthony Steen and Ian Duncan-Smith who brought this up in parliament during Tony Blairs Premiership, I think primarily it was aimed at the massive increase in Lap Dancing and Gay Clubs post 1997, but there were open references to Swingers Clubs voiced in the house.
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"I doubt this is policy from either of the main parties. The cost of legislating and administering such a tax would outweigh the revenue derived.
That's not to say a particular local authority might not see the chance to squeeze some venues out of existence if there had been local complaints. There's already, I believe, legislation will shortly (alread?) come into force in respect of lap-dancing clubs and allowing local residents to vote on whether licences should be granted/ continued."
Exactly....all that would be needed would to include lap dancing clubs, strip clubs and swingers clubs under the present license procedure laws for Sex Shops.
Wouldn't need new legislation.....just an update in present legislation.
It certainly wouldn't cost much to impliment or to police, after all you don't see Sex Shops opening up witout licenses without being closed within days. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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lets not forget all politicians are as bent as a 9 bob note.....
i reckon its a plan by GB to stop all the members of parliament from frequenting the clubs etc lol.... |
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I think the taxation level is shocking and reflects a nations prudish view on matters that elsewhere deem acceptable. However based upon the membership charges, entry through the door prices etc, bet it wont take long to get the £15k fee paid!! |
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"I think the taxation level is shocking and reflects a nations prudish view on matters that elsewhere deem acceptable. However based upon the membership charges, entry through the door prices etc, bet it wont take long to get the £15k fee paid!!"
Trust me, the UK isn't alone in charging sex estabishments for licenses, in one way a license requirement might be the lesser of two evils for swingers clubs...it might be expensive but it would make the club legal if future goverments (of any party) were to crack down.
The swingers clubs in Gran Canaria are all licensed and regulatly visited by local officials but they are left alone by the local police and once licensed local residents have little chane of objection.
Under the new legislation in England and Wales local residents can quite easily have a lap dance club closed down. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Just thinking though I dont regard strip clubs and sex shops in the same way as swingers clubs, although I could see some politicians might.
I'm guessing places like licenced sex shops pay the big licence fee because in effect they are making sometimes large amounts of money essentially from sex or its depiction in dvds/magazines.
With swingers clubs a place is provided where sex might happen but without money changing hands. All the club owners do is provide an environment where things might happen.
I'm probably not making my point very well but I see swing clubs as different.
Have I made any sense at all there?  |
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You're always going to have problems where sex and money mix.
In the event politicians decided to clamp down on swinger's clubs they'd be relying on the fact few people would take to the streets or the barricades to defend them.
What I suspect would happen is that they'd be driven even further underground. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Tax us for having fun what a load of old shit. Nanny states fed up of being told what to do with my life grr. Should be free for stress management on nhs. |
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As I see it Swingers' Clubs are just Night Clubs, the same as any other Night Club, so why should they be treated any different? The fact that they provide space for the clientele to get together sexually is beside the point. It's the clientele that decide to have sex with each other on the premises rather than outside it, and that is a detail which is not under the control or direction of the Club management at all. If the clientele didn't fancy each other, then no sex would ensue and it would be just like any other club, (but better for the neighbourhood as no one would be pissed on drink and rolling out onto the streets shouting, swearing, peeing and shagging in doorways, and fighting each other like many "normal" night clubs).
It is entirely different from lap dance clubs or sex shops in which the management are deliberately and blatantly putting sex in front of the punters, that being the sole purpose of the establishment. |
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"As I see it Swingers' Clubs are just Night Clubs, the same as any other Night Club, so why should they be treated any different? The fact that they provide space for the clientele to get together sexually is beside the point. It's the clientele that decide to have sex with each other on the premises rather than outside it, and that is a detail which is not under the control or direction of the Club management at all. If the clientele didn't fancy each other, then no sex would ensue and it would be just like any other club, (but better for the neighbourhood as no one would be pissed on drink and rolling out onto the streets shouting, swearing, peeing and shagging in doorways, and fighting each other like many "normal" night clubs).
It is entirely different from lap dance clubs or sex shops in which the management are deliberately and blatantly putting sex in front of the punters, that being the sole purpose of the establishment."
yr arguement is extremely valid but ...
if the rumour is true then do you think a comment in here will sway the government - or even stir a mass rebelion to make those in power reconsider? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There is definetly a new tax in the pipeline but not just for swingers clubs, it is for any venue within the sex industry, lap dancing clubs, erotic cinema,s massage parlours, high st sex shops etc.
I don't recall the exact amount they are going to charge but £15,000 per venue sounds about right, perhaps it was higher I really can't remember, the discussions have been going on for years and venue owners have been made aware of the amount and the date it is going to be implemented.
It seems the main government spin on the tax is so that they can be policed better and because such establishments currently require more policing than other venue's this being the case will we see it extended to vanilla pubs and clubs since these obviously require a lot of policing, and by policing I mean, health and safety, weights and measures, health watch etc, so then there are the public baths which undergo the same Council checks on pools and jacuzzi's that swinging clubs have. |
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"As I see it Swingers' Clubs are just Night Clubs, the same as any other Night Club, so why should they be treated any different? The fact that they provide space for the clientele to get together sexually is beside the point. It's the clientele that decide to have sex with each other on the premises rather than outside it, and that is a detail which is not under the control or direction of the Club management at all. If the clientele didn't fancy each other, then no sex would ensue and it would be just like any other club, (but better for the neighbourhood as no one would be pissed on drink and rolling out onto the streets shouting, swearing, peeing and shagging in doorways, and fighting each other like many "normal" night clubs).
It is entirely different from lap dance clubs or sex shops in which the management are deliberately and blatantly putting sex in front of the punters, that being the sole purpose of the establishment.
yr arguement is extremely valid but ...
if the rumour is true then do you think a comment in here will sway the government - or even stir a mass rebelion to make those in power reconsider?"
No I don't. That's hardly likely is it. They won't listen to any argument about anything, however convincing or popular it may be. Very rare is the time when modern governments' minds can be changed on taxation, even with massive petitions on the No. 10 site. I wasn't suggesting trying to change their minds. I guess the post was a waste of time then. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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All clubs need to do is raise the entrance fee for single guys  ......ONLY JOKING!!
Seriously though,all any such legislation will do is to force it underground.
It'll be like the old Raves,were someone hired a place and threw an illegal party.
Or the Speakeasies from the Prohibition era in the U.S.
I bet the police would be queueing up to raid them!
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think all this seems to come from the Sex Encounter licence that the government was trying to push through a year or so back.. it was for lap dancing bars and venues that show nudity as entertainment ! This bill wouldn't cover swingers clubs as this isn't paid for by members .. We don't pay for strippers just the club !
This bill failed to get through its second reading as parliament ran out of time in 2008 but they will probably try again.. http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200708/cmhansrd/cm080618/debtext/80618-0004.htm
But I can not find any plans for a tax for swingers club just strip joints..
You can find out about everything our great leader have planed for us here
http://www.parliament.uk/business/
Hope this helps calm the nerves of us who love the club scene |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Why not tax swinging everything else is taxed, the only reason the air we breath isnt taxed is because they cant figure out how to.
Lets not fordet our wonderful gov need to pay for there duck houses etc......... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Its been a persistent problem
Same thing with the roof on the summer house I put the receipts in for last year.
You just cant get the staff these days! Maybe an all expenses paid trip to Cuba to help me get over things... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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i know what you mean and the salary they pay mps now is nowhere enough to live on is it i mean asking us to live on so little is madness.
and we only get 3 months a year holiday |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Its a diabolical liberty and no mistake!
A big wedge, the chance for a few highly paid directorships, the odd fact-finding trip to the Caribbean and more fiddling than the London Philharmonic Orchestra.
Who'd take on such a job???? |
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