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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

The 1st time I actually fully unbelievably incredibly invested my whole hand in the process of making this game for myself an wow was it better then I could of imagined the results of it was amazing.

For me it was a great experience and I am happy with the outcome,

Who likes it too

Women ?? Receiving or giving ?

Men what do we think??

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By *loriouscurvesWoman  over a year ago

wild west lothian

I’m not into Fisting personally but I know others are

I am rather small so no one has ever managed to fist me so I’ve given up trying

However I have heard it can be very pleasureable

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

No thanks.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The 1st time I actually fully unbelievably incredibly invested my whole hand in the process of making this game for myself an wow was it better then I could of imagined the results of it was amazing.

For me it was a great experience and I am happy with the outcome,

Who likes it too

Women ?? Receiving or giving ?

Men what do we think??"

It’s not clear to me, are you giving or receiving OP? Making a game for yourself adds to my confused state.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I’m not into Fisting personally but I know others are

I am rather small so no one has ever managed to fist me so I’ve given up trying

However I have heard it can be very pleasureable "

3 of my desires /fantasies carried out in 10 hours 9 hours

Well if I’m completely honest my thumb was externally window wiping

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"The 1st time I actually fully unbelievably incredibly invested my whole hand in the process of making this game for myself an wow was it better then I could of imagined the results of it was amazing.

For me it was a great experience and I am happy with the outcome,

Who likes it too

Women ?? Receiving or giving ?

Men what do we think??

It’s not clear to me, are you giving or receiving OP? Making a game for yourself adds to my confused state. "

I was giving with a passion tbh

Making a game as in

I will be the winner lol

The he objective was one of my fantasy’s

I won the game an past my own experience

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

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By *elshcouple18Couple  over a year ago

Cardiff

We try avoid those who have that as an interest..

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The 1st time I actually fully unbelievably incredibly invested my whole hand in the process of making this game for myself an wow was it better then I could of imagined the results of it was amazing.

For me it was a great experience and I am happy with the outcome,

Who likes it too

Women ?? Receiving or giving ?

Men what do we think??

It’s not clear to me, are you giving or receiving OP? Making a game for yourself adds to my confused state. I was giving with a passion tbh

Making a game as in

I will be the winner lol

The he objective was one of my fantasy’s

I won the game an past my own experience "

So a bit of competition with yourself there

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"The 1st time I actually fully unbelievably incredibly invested my whole hand in the process of making this game for myself an wow was it better then I could of imagined the results of it was amazing.

For me it was a great experience and I am happy with the outcome,

Who likes it too

Women ?? Receiving or giving ?

Men what do we think??

It’s not clear to me, are you giving or receiving OP? Making a game for yourself adds to my confused state. I was giving with a passion tbh

Making a game as in

I will be the winner lol

The he objective was one of my fantasy’s

I won the game an past my own experience

So a bit of competition with yourself there "

nothing wrong with some healthy competition

I miss typed earlier there was no “he “

Just me an my tools ?? xx

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"We try avoid those who have that as an interest.. "

It never really appealed to me it just happens an wow did it happen ,

Wasn’t forced

Or planned

Of painful ,,,

Just really really wet. Hahaha

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I like receiving a pussy fisting.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I like receiving a pussy fisting.

"

I was so shocked by the impact I had on the uncontrolled multiple :::::@@@@::::!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I like receiving a pussy fisting.

"

big bad naughty slutt lol xx

You asked for it xxx

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By *ister_EMan  over a year ago

Hayling Island

I always thought that fisting was just a porn thing and just another indignity inflicted on the actresses to satisfy the sexual tastes of deviant perv's

Then I met a lady called Kim who opened my eyes and expanded my nieve world view exponentially

When experienced with a woman, or man who enjoys it, it is mind blowingly erotic and sensual its a long, slow, wet and intimate build up, but when you finally slide the thumb knuckle in and feel the clamp around your wrist, it's amazing! And then, it only gets better and better when your partner moans, writhes, and surrenders all bodily control to the pure pleasure of being filled by you!

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

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By *ainbows_can_be_metal_tooCouple  over a year ago

Darlington

We are working our way towards it. Mrs is rediculously tight. But when she gets suitably turned on during play she wants that strech

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I really like fisting women. U have very small hands ha and with plenty of lube and taking my time we usually manage very well. Some women are not I to it which of course is fine,I just love getting people off. The ones in engaging with obviously not just everyone

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By *r K and Mrs LCouple  over a year ago

Leicester

My wife loves it when she is tied up and I fist her, she would love another woman to do it to her..

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"My wife loves it when she is tied up and I fist her, she would love another woman to do it to her.."
so so good to hear this feedback

Was never really sure if it was fact or fiction until I actually provided

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By *inkycouple692023Couple  over a year ago

doncaster

Definitely a no no with us

My wife is nice and tight and want to keep it that way

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Surely this depends on hand size as well?

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By * and RCouple  over a year ago

lincoln

Rach loves being stretched, not managed my full fist yet. She would like to receive from a female and give.

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By *ap-scarCouple  over a year ago

Sleaford

Def not for me.

Prefer a girthy cock personally for the stretch

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It's a no from us. Mrs is only little.

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By *azzler2Man  over a year ago

halifax

I have fisted both men and women at there request while playing they all enjoyed it you just have to take your time be gentle

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By *he ass man 666Man  over a year ago

paradise city

Done it a few times with different women, some women enjoy it others it doesn’t interest them

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By *moothdickMan  over a year ago

stoke

Just don’t find it a turn on… reminds me of sooty and swipe

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Just don’t find it a turn on… reminds me of sooty and swipe "

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By *tanley FunseekerMan  over a year ago

stanley

Never done it, always think it’s something that needs careful planning and execution

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By *ccasional_LoversCouple  over a year ago

Peterborough

The Mrs fisted a few men which she enjoyed, but she has never been fisted but it is on her to do list.

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By *ames_smith86Man  over a year ago

Sheffield

I love it. I mostly receive. Can do it to myself too and do it often. I find a lot more people are into it now

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By *inkycreamCouple  over a year ago

manchester

Love to give and receive, more so with other women for comfort.

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By *aughty in TamworthMan  over a year ago

Tamworth

I love giving it x

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By *wistedTooCouple  over a year ago

Frimley

Sammi’s taken a fist a few times. It’s a sight to behold when her eyes are rolling into the back of her head and her back is arched beyond normal because of the intense orgasms she is having. Pretty amazing to do.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I love giving ...

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By *istressdandsubtCouple  over a year ago

caterham

Wife is getting into it , she has managed to fist me a couple of tiles its totally different feeling than a strapon but she seems to ask to do it and I just have to accept it

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I always thought that fisting was just a porn thing and just another indignity inflicted on the actresses to satisfy the sexual tastes of deviant perv's

Then I met a lady called Kim who opened my eyes and expanded my nieve world view exponentially

When experienced with a woman, or man who enjoys it, it is mind blowingly erotic and sensual its a long, slow, wet and intimate build up, but when you finally slide the thumb knuckle in and feel the clamp around your wrist, it's amazing! And then, it only gets better and better when your partner moans, writhes, and surrenders all bodily control to the pure pleasure of being filled by you! "

This has sold it to me...I think I need to try it. Xx

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman  over a year ago

all loved up

I've both given and recieved. Prefer to recieve ,however it is not something I would do with just anyone and it takes a state of arousal and trust that simple isn't going to occur on a fab meet.

On the rare occasion I've managed it, it's exceptional... however as I can complain at just 2 fingers at times. It takes a lot of patience and work..

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By *inaTitzTV/TS  over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I used to be able to fist myself

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By *wistedTooCouple  over a year ago

Frimley

Sammi is petite but likes a bit of pain stretching her. So that’s the kinkier side lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

My one and only time giving took me by surprise, i met a couple and during play he was sat on sofa, her on all 4s sucking him and me behind playing and licking her pussy.

He then gets up, pulls out lube, covered my fist in it and then directed my whole hand in up to my wrist, was strange as could feel her pelvis moving all over my fist.

She loved it and after a short time let out a loud moan and i felt her fill up with juices.

I looked around and she looked close to fainting, so gently slid my fist out and her juices followed, took her a little time to recover as she had cum so hard.

Never met anyone else who would even consider it.

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By *achelTheAnalSlutTV/TS  over a year ago

Haywards Heath

I've only received it once, with am ex-boyfriend who had quite small hands... that was just one part of an amazing evening!

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By *uietman121Man  over a year ago

Armagh

I have been lucky enough to been able to give fisting once, it was amazing for me and the lady both. I don't think I seen a woman orgam quite like it before, watching her cum gave me an erotic feeling like no other.

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By *ndytoonMan  over a year ago

Rawtenstall

I've been 'first fister'on a cooker if occasions. With women only. They've loved it. Advice? Plenty lube and rhe arrowhead technique, then once you're in make the fist and pump away. Big turn on to fuck her after i've fisted her. God some good videos from it. Getting a hard on right now think8ng about it ffs!! Hahaha

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By *ilth N KinkCouple  over a year ago

Gloucester

Hell no!!

Mrs

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By *ebaucherous_duoCouple  over a year ago

Bristol/ Daventry


"I like receiving a pussy fisting.

big bad naughty slutt lol xx

You asked for it xxx"

Wow! This is wholly inappropriate!!! OP don’t ask a question and shame a respondent. They absolutely DIDN’T ask for it, you did.

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By *ickinNottsMan  over a year ago

Hucknall

I have given, once to a TV and once to a woman. Both amazing experiences. I have tried to take but only managed 4 fingers. And I doubt I will try again.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

My fanny is like a damp carrier bag but still too tight for a fist. Odd.

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By *aveing funCouple  over a year ago

Wolverhampton

Fisted by another female yes definitely

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By *ustCantGetEnough1000Man  over a year ago

stevenage

Love it

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By *zBoy123Man  over a year ago

London.


"The Mrs fisted a few men which she enjoyed, but she has never been fisted but it is on her to do list. "
Wot, up their arse? Obvs. NO thanks!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Y but not all the time it's such a filling feeling like being orgasm after orgasm ..

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By *ymac580Man  over a year ago

Durham

I fist

Told I'm good with my hands

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By *incloudukMan  over a year ago

Medway

Def not

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By *r K and Mrs LCouple  over a year ago

Leicester


"Fisted by another female yes definitely "
my wife would definitely fist you if you would do it to her in return as she loves it.

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By *ibi692022Man  over a year ago

Mere

I would love to try, but my hands are far too big for it to be comfortable for her!!!!

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By *ogan WillowCouple  over a year ago

Leeds

No thank you

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By *ulgehunterMan  over a year ago

yorkshire

I wouldn't condone any time of physical response

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By *ope_kisses22Couple  over a year ago

Hyde

Right time and right place and person.... yes please!!

We also love giving to other women and both have/do.

I (Mrs) have longish natural nails so tend to protect the woman by wearing gloves.

K

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By *oneybadger147Man  over a year ago

St Neots

Love fisting, it's damn sexy to watch as well

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

1st proper time last week the experience was literally mind blowing for me but for her wow what can I say the saturation levels where of the scale

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The 1st time I actually fully unbelievably incredibly invested my whole hand in the process of making this game for myself an wow was it better then I could of imagined the results of it was amazing.

For me it was a great experience and I am happy with the outcome,

Who likes it too

Women ?? Receiving or giving ?

Men what do we think??"

==v-----?~~?

It can go either way actually, depends on how crazy you are for each other.

Females only for me too disgusting otherwise

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By *ennyleeeWoman  over a year ago

Southampton

Absolutely not, 2 fingers inside me is too much sometimes.

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By *izzibeth9Couple  over a year ago

Loughborough

I love being fisted.

Those saying they're too tight just need to have some patience, vaginas were designed to push out a babies head...rarely is anyone actually 'too tight' for it and usually just need some build up.

I need to be super horny and turned on, L always starts out slow, plenty of lub and plenty of playing with my clit too. He enjoys the fight he has with me when he makes me cum on his fist and I naturally try and push him out. I love the feeling of being full. I also realllly love the sore bruised feeling the next day, makes me horny all over again every time I move and feel the soreness from the night before!

Highly recommend everyone give it a go at least once!

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By *iss pleasuringWoman  over a year ago

Somewhere near

I love it. As long as the giver doesn't rush then it feels amazing

My best session when I was with 3 guys and we all communicated and they all slowly between 3 hands had me full each guy had 3 fingers deep inside me

Was amazing to watch felt electrifying

Like I say don't and have a great connection with the givers . Communication is key

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I love it. As long as the giver doesn't rush then it feels amazing

My best session when I was with 3 guys and we all communicated and they all slowly between 3 hands had me full each guy had 3 fingers deep inside me

Was amazing to watch felt electrifying

Like I say don't and have a great connection with the givers . Communication is key "

so dam hot an sounds like another great way to get to know each other xx

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By *r K and Mrs LCouple  over a year ago

Leicester

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By *TastePurpleWoman  over a year ago

Norwich

I absolutely adore giving fisting (anal or vaginal) and receiving too (anal, my only hole!)

It's not necessarily as scary as people imagine. More like advanced fingering. Get up to four fingers, then slip the thumb in slowly. Such a delicious stretch...

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By *r K and Mrs LCouple  over a year ago

Leicester


"[Removed by poster at 23/12/23 23:08:19]"
wife loves being fisted..

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By *iss pleasuringWoman  over a year ago

Somewhere near


"I absolutely adore giving fisting (anal or vaginal) and receiving too (anal, my only hole!)

It's not necessarily as scary as people imagine. More like advanced fingering. Get up to four fingers, then slip the thumb in slowly. Such a delicious stretch..."

I wonder if for some people if its the word " fisting" that sounds scarily of putting

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By *iss pleasuringWoman  over a year ago

Somewhere near


"I absolutely adore giving fisting (anal or vaginal) and receiving too (anal, my only hole!)

It's not necessarily as scary as people imagine. More like advanced fingering. Get up to four fingers, then slip the thumb in slowly. Such a delicious stretch..."

And equally an electrifying accomplishment that's just as horny n hot ??

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By *mpierdoleMan  over a year ago

Birmingham

I used to really like the idea of it but now, for some reason, it's the exact opposite

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By *rs-Naughty_Mr-CuddlesCouple  over a year ago

Nr coleford

Mr here I have fisted men and women when done safely a major turn on

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I like receiving a pussy fisting.

"

I have never wanted to fuck anyone as much as I do this absolutely fucking beauty of a woman!

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By *erms and conditionsCouple  over a year ago

Alton

Yes... Just yes

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By *r K and Mrs LCouple  over a year ago

Leicester


"Yes... Just yes"
you and my wife could fist each other

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By *he ass man 666Man  over a year ago

paradise city

Yes yes yes

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By *rgoMan  over a year ago

Wells

It must not be rushed and thankfully I don’t have big hands!

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By *earlfireMan  over a year ago

Margate

Fisting is great, and taken nice and slow.

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman  over a year ago

Carlisle usually

With the right person, in the right moment, sure.

In general, no

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I prefer it to other types of penetrative sex.

Although I'm very tight, I appreciate it when it's done properly, with gallons of lube, patience, kinky talk and exploring fingers.

I love feeling all my spots stimulated... clitoris, G-spot, S-spot.

On rare occasions I'll squirt but when I do, I cum like a fountain.

I also like the fact that it's safe, carries no risk of pregnancy or STDs and is a source of pleasure not just for me but those doing the fisting or observing.

A win-win situation.

Fisting experts always go straight to the top of my list.

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By *TastePurpleWoman  over a year ago

Norwich


" I wonder if for some people if its the word " fisting" that sounds scarily of putting

"

I imagine so, the name implies a balled up fist, though that's more like punchfucking. Which some people do! But on the more hardcore/experienced end of fisting.

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By *TastePurpleWoman  over a year ago

Norwich


"I prefer it to other types of penetrative sex.

Although I'm very tight, I appreciate it when it's done properly, with gallons of lube, patience, kinky talk and exploring fingers.

I love feeling all my spots stimulated... clitoris, G-spot, S-spot.

On rare occasions I'll squirt but when I do, I cum like a fountain.

I also like the fact that it's safe, carries no risk of pregnancy or STDs and is a source of pleasure not just for me but those doing the fisting or observing.

A win-win situation.

Fisting experts always go straight to the top of my list."

Yes to all this ^ it can be so slow and intimate and delicious.

And you're not wrong, one of the safer forms of sex, especially with gloves!

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By *isfun2023Couple  over a year ago

wakefield

It's the naughtiness and stretching that gives the horn

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By *mwirralMan  over a year ago

wirral

Only so far had 4 fingers in up to the palm, but God it feels good when I'm doing it and the woman loves feeling stretched

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By *ddfellowMan  over a year ago

Newferry, wirral

ex wife used to like a good stretch usualy after she had one or two glasses of wine, and managed to fist her a handfull of times, and she gushed like a river

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By *emma200Woman  over a year ago

Warwickshire

Yes! But only with the right person x

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Never had my fist up. Seen the size of my hands? You know what they say. Big hands

Big gloves …. lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I’d like to know why some fabbers are allowed to post fisting vids but others aren’t.

I did an experiment then and posted a vid but leggylula can and is in hot vids

I like fisting vids. No issue but seems rather unfair she can but I can’t

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By *ete22002Man  over a year ago

Rawtenstall

I'm a big fan in ff both ways and your other fetishes. You've blocked all guys but please feel free to message if your interested in chatting and a kinky meet.

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By *melia DominaTV/TS  over a year ago

Edinburgh (She/Her)


"I’d like to know why some fabbers are allowed to post fisting vids but others aren’t.

I did an experiment then and posted a vid but leggylula can and is in hot vids

I like fisting vids. No issue but seems rather unfair she can but I can’t "

In reference to video posting, it will be the same as picture posting. It's whoever has deemed it to be okay to post. The moderators try to be consistent. But some will be more open with the guidance than others. If you think it's unfair, report the video.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Hasn’t happened yet but waiting for the lucky guy to come give it a stretch

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By *andD300Couple  over a year ago

london

D can slide a good portion of his fist in if we use the right amount of lube so we’re getting there. C.

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By *adbod52Man  over a year ago

south east

I would love to try, but my hands are too big

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By *omerset1976Man  over a year ago

Burnham

Small hands here… love fisting a wet pussy.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I'm very curious but am so small /tight i cannot imagine it ever happening

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By *iss DevilWoman  over a year ago

Bedford

Fuck no! For the receiving.

Giving - I think I have satisfied that curiosity, at least for now.

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By *ovetolick78Man  over a year ago

The Shire


"I’d like to know why some fabbers are allowed to post fisting vids but others aren’t.

I did an experiment then and posted a vid but leggylula can and is in hot vids

I like fisting vids. No issue but seems rather unfair she can but I can’t

In reference to video posting, it will be the same as picture posting. It's whoever has deemed it to be okay to post. The moderators try to be consistent. But some will be more open with the guidance than others. If you think it's unfair, report the video."

The moderators are unfair, I posted a pic of a girl I was seeing and they banned me from posting pics!!! Even tho I offered to send them a pic of us together..... They didn't want to know.

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By *r K and Mrs LCouple  over a year ago

Leicester


"I'm very curious but am so small /tight i cannot imagine it ever happening "
that’s ok my wife has small hands..

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By *urvelover87Man  over a year ago

stevenage

Absolutely love it, nothing beats the feeling of my hand slipping inside a wet pussy. I've had the luck of meeting ladies who genuinely enjoyed this type of penetration and going so far as to take 2 hands and even anal fisting.

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By *fter dinner delightCouple  over a year ago

bury st edmunds/london

Yes yes yes with lots of lube.

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By *melia DominaTV/TS  over a year ago

Edinburgh (She/Her)


"I’d like to know why some fabbers are allowed to post fisting vids but others aren’t.

I did an experiment then and posted a vid but leggylula can and is in hot vids

I like fisting vids. No issue but seems rather unfair she can but I can’t

In reference to video posting, it will be the same as picture posting. It's whoever has deemed it to be okay to post. The moderators try to be consistent. But some will be more open with the guidance than others. If you think it's unfair, report the video.

The moderators are unfair, I posted a pic of a girl I was seeing and they banned me from posting pics!!! Even tho I offered to send them a pic of us together..... They didn't want to know. "

Never said anything about fairness! There will be a set of guidance that's all.

You might find they pulled your image because it had the face of a female (regardless of relationship status) and your profile is single male. I have no clue as to what the guidance is, it'll be in the FAQs somewhere.

Apologies OP. Hijacked thread. Will decease at this point.

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By * and RCouple  over a year ago

lincoln

What lube do people recommend? Just bought some "Fistit Numbing" anyone tried it, if so what's it like?

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By *arialoueWoman  over a year ago

bradford

I love being fisted although I'm still training

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By *llabouttheboobsCouple  over a year ago

wakefield

Sometimes..,,, well now actually thinking about it I’m Getting quite wet!

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I love being fisted although I'm still training "
practice makes perfect they say

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Was really into the fantasy of it, tried it, exact words from my play partner at the time "the bed looks like a butchers slab" never again!

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By *eanneCouple  over a year ago

Gwynedd

I Do love it when my husband does it, touches the right spot and gets me completely wet. I Haven’t let anyone else try it with me yet as I’m still in training!!

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By *ommenhimCouple  over a year ago

wigan

Yes yes yes please x

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By *irtybrit27Man  over a year ago

Portsmouth

Happy giving with the right partner. Really depends on what they like and some people love being stretched.

I'm very happy to oblige and give them what they want.

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By *ommenhimCouple  over a year ago

wigan


"Yes yes yes please x"

Sasha btw x

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By *r K and Mrs LCouple  over a year ago

Leicester

My wife loves it when I fist her

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By *ommenhimCouple  over a year ago

wigan


"I’d like to know why some fabbers are allowed to post fisting vids but others aren’t.

I did an experiment then and posted a vid but leggylula can and is in hot vids

I like fisting vids. No issue but seems rather unfair she can but I can’t

In reference to video posting, it will be the same as picture posting. It's whoever has deemed it to be okay to post. The moderators try to be consistent. But some will be more open with the guidance than others. If you think it's unfair, report the video."

Like the offside rule then ?

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By *sacambsMan  over a year ago

Huntingdon

No, until I actually tried it. OMG, what a sensation, the feeling when your whole hand becomes engulfed, the tightness around your wrist

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"No, until I actually tried it. OMG, what a sensation, the feeling when your whole hand becomes engulfed, the tightness around your wrist "
my reaction exactly

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By *istLover4Man  over a year ago

London / Edinburgh

I love giving. I especially love training an asshole

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By *izzibeth9Couple  over a year ago

Loughborough


"What lube do people recommend? Just bought some "Fistit Numbing" anyone tried it, if so what's it like?"

I'd be super wary about using numbing lube for any sort of stretching play because you wanna be able to feel all the sensations and warnings from your body to make sure you don't go too far and cause damage.

You'd probably be fine, but personally we don't use it all that often. For one thing you wanna feel that lovely stretch to the fullest (pun very much intended).

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By *inkycouple692023Couple  over a year ago

doncaster

Definitely not

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By *lik and PaulCouple  over a year ago

cahoots

Not something we've tried but certainly doesn't appeal.

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By *othicslaveCouple  over a year ago

Norfolk


"I’m not into Fisting personally but I know others are

I am rather small so no one has ever managed to fist me so I’ve given up trying

However I have heard it can be very pleasureable "

same for me!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I've done it once with someone, and it was surprisingly easy to fit, take that as you will. It was a very hot experience..not something I'm eager to try again but from experience, it was hot experiences from both parties.

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