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By *otBrunetteHim OP   Couple  over a year ago

birmingham

So you see a status “ looking for girl on girl” you reply, a few short messages later then there’s a man involved!! Again! Grrrr!!

Do any women meet other women on their own?

Girl on girl to me is exactly that, no men involved. If we meet as a couple and the girls play in that situation then that’s fine. I just want some alone time with another women

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

When I was on here as a couple years ago, this was the same issue we had which eventually ended in us coming off Fab.

Whilst I’m not here as a couple any more, I sympathise with you!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

This isn't the best place to find bi experiences I've found. The women in couples are usually 'bi curious' which translates to doing it for their partners benefit. And single women, Jesus get more conversation out of a wardrobe.

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By *iz78Woman  over a year ago

wirral

Or some single female profiles are men pretending

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"So you see a status “ looking for girl on girl” you reply, a few short messages later then there’s a man involved!! Again! Grrrr!!

Do any women meet other women on their own?

Girl on girl to me is exactly that, no men involved. If we meet as a couple and the girls play in that situation then that’s fine. I just want some alone time with another women "

Try doing to from a singles profile and not a couples profile.

Girl on girl is a rarity and even more so if your contacting one half of a couple.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"This isn't the best place to find bi experiences I've found. The women in couples are usually 'bi curious' which translates to doing it for their partners benefit. And single women, Jesus get more conversation out of a wardrobe. "

Where would you suggest is?

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By *issmorganWoman  over a year ago

Calderdale innit

I'm not your target audience, but people seem to do better at clubs for meeting bi fems.

As already said, lots of women play bi for the benefit of their man and wouldn't meet a lady if he's not involved.

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By *issmorganWoman  over a year ago

Calderdale innit

Some clubs have all women events too I think.

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By *heekyDemandCouple  over a year ago

Leicester

There are bi-specific events, there's one at Liberty Elite every 2 months (bi monthly, ha!).

Sure, message people and see if they want to meet and get let down, or go to a bi night and meet real bi people.

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By *otBrunetteHim OP   Couple  over a year ago

birmingham


"This isn't the best place to find bi experiences I've found. The women in couples are usually 'bi curious' which translates to doing it for their partners benefit. And single women, Jesus get more conversation out of a wardrobe. "

That’s it really seems quiet a few are here to put on a show although I have had a couple of successful interactions so here’s hoping

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By *otBrunetteHim OP   Couple  over a year ago

birmingham


"Or some single female profiles are men pretending "

Oh don’t it’s so tedious dealing with fakes and pretenders

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By *otBrunetteHim OP   Couple  over a year ago

birmingham


"So you see a status “ looking for girl on girl” you reply, a few short messages later then there’s a man involved!! Again! Grrrr!!

Do any women meet other women on their own?

Girl on girl to me is exactly that, no men involved. If we meet as a couple and the girls play in that situation then that’s fine. I just want some alone time with another women

Try doing to from a singles profile and not a couples profile.

Girl on girl is a rarity and even more so if your contacting one half of a couple. "

This is from me replying to a status saying they’re looking for girl on girl.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"This isn't the best place to find bi experiences I've found. The women in couples are usually 'bi curious' which translates to doing it for their partners benefit. And single women, Jesus get more conversation out of a wardrobe.

That’s it really seems quiet a few are here to put on a show although I have had a couple of successful interactions so here’s hoping "

Not all couples with bi curious females are stating that for their husbands benefit. Doesn’t bother my husband either way, would much rather see me with another man

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By *ain and sortedMan  over a year ago

Old Harlow Essex


"This isn't the best place to find bi experiences I've found. The women in couples are usually 'bi curious' which translates to doing it for their partners benefit. And single women, Jesus get more conversation out of a wardrobe. "

Haha , love the wardrobe comment, same experience with the straight guys

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By *aomilatteCouple  over a year ago

Midlands


"So you see a status “ looking for girl on girl” you reply, a few short messages later then there’s a man involved!! Again! Grrrr!!

Do any women meet other women on their own?

Girl on girl to me is exactly that, no men involved. If we meet as a couple and the girls play in that situation then that’s fine. I just want some alone time with another women "

A status like that is most likely posted by a Man. Unfortunately many "single Fem" profiles are part of a couple and don't actually meet alone, many are run by the Male. It may actually be a single Male behind the profile. Rest assured though, there are a lot of actual single Ladies on here.

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By *assie101Woman  over a year ago

Kent


"This isn't the best place to find bi experiences I've found. The women in couples are usually 'bi curious' which translates to doing it for their partners benefit. And single women, Jesus get more conversation out of a wardrobe. "

So true

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By *weet and SpiceCouple  over a year ago

Around the Midlands


"This isn't the best place to find bi experiences I've found. The women in couples are usually 'bi curious' which translates to doing it for their partners benefit. And single women, Jesus get more conversation out of a wardrobe.

So true"

Definitely not in our case.

Wardrobe

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By *p4fun60Couple  over a year ago

Hampshire

I'm Bi sexual not a lesbian and as part of a couple & being bi I much prefer fully bi play within the dynamic of another couples company, although it has been known within a club environment to get off with another attractive woman on a one to one if hubbie just hasn't got another fuck in him as he puts it lol & although not our preference I've had the opportunity to play with many bi curious ladies for their first time but in a soft play with our respective partners- but would never arrange a meet one to one from fab

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By *eyond PurityCouple  over a year ago

Lincolnshire

C has met a few women by herself.

She’s going on a spa stay over this weekend with a female from here.

So it can happen but it’s definitely harder than you’d expect.

K

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By *orphia2003Woman  over a year ago

Tonypandy.

I've discovered exactly the same problem. Every woman I speak to looking for FF seems to have a guy attached

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I feel the struggle!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Also had this a lot. Usually the lady wants her FWB to join in

No. Take ya man and go away

Mrs C

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By *ulieAndBeefCouple  over a year ago

Manchester-ish

There are some ladies only club nights that are well worth a visit.

J

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By *otBrunetteHim OP   Couple  over a year ago

birmingham


"Also had this a lot. Usually the lady wants her FWB to join in

No. Take ya man and go away

Mrs C "

Exactly! If the initial contact is about meeting as a couple then absolutely fine! But to suggest girl on girl then try involving men…. Noooooooo

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By *otBrunetteHim OP   Couple  over a year ago

birmingham


"C has met a few women by herself.

She’s going on a spa stay over this weekend with a female from here.

So it can happen but it’s definitely harder than you’d expect.

K"

Wow she is very lucky then

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Getting the ladies only play has been easier to achieve in a club. I’ve given up trying to do it through fab, my last encounter put me right off (hence my profile saying straight) as i cba anymore. Hope you manage some success OP. Xxx

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By *andK78Couple  over a year ago

Newport

Been looking for the same for a while, hubby is fine me having my girls time but there is always some guy lurking in the background wanting to watch or join in, even if it's a single woman's profile. Frustrating.

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By *he SmithsCouple  over a year ago

East Devon & London

Mrs Smith enjoys totally male free socials and parties with her Skirt Club membership.

The prettiest, noisiest and rudest sex parties she’s ever been to - and we’ve been to a few!

Curious, bi, gay, couples, singles and married, many of the latter who are there without their partners knowing.

About as far removed from Fab fakery and men as you can get.

So don’t give up, just look elsewhere!

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By *errykezmasCouple  over a year ago

Telford

We managed something close to this in the past, met a lovely lady at a hotel, the ladies enjoyed each other whilst I watched. The lady left, then and only then did I get involved, kez and I enjoyed each other thinking about what just happened, very hot to watch two ladies having fun. Lots of memories for future naughty times.

We also did it in a club, kez and the other lady went into a room for some fun, we could see the reflection, but the other ladies partner started to get funny, almost started banging the door down, borderline demanding to get involved, fortunately kez and the other lady were none the wiser so both still had fun.

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By *lieneWoman  over a year ago

Nottingham


"So you see a status “ looking for girl on girl” you reply, a few short messages later then there’s a man involved!! Again! Grrrr!!

Do any women meet other women on their own?

Girl on girl to me is exactly that, no men involved. If we meet as a couple and the girls play in that situation then that’s fine. I just want some alone time with another women "

I totally agree. Whilst I’m totally up for meeting a couple, I get annoyed when the messages start as if they are from the female but then suddenly the male appears as if by magic!

Why not be up front! If both of the couple are looking to play then they should say that. I think it’s disrespectful to pretend one thing and then suddenly switch to the meet being for both.

Also, any ladies looking for one on one meets (no men allowed!) please message me!!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It's impossible to meet other fems on fab. I find it so much easier finding them in clubs. I'm much more successful that way.

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By *ackonceagain1777Couple  over a year ago

West Mids

Clubs definitely, pretty pointless on here, there are so many fakes and yes always wanting to involve a man somewhere down the line x

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By *otBrunetteHim OP   Couple  over a year ago

birmingham


"Been looking for the same for a while, hubby is fine me having my girls time but there is always some guy lurking in the background wanting to watch or join in, even if it's a single woman's profile. Frustrating."

Exactly if our intention is for both of us to be involved we make that clear from the very beginning but I also enjoy being with a women on my own and hubby is more than happy for that to happen as long as he knows I’m safe x

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By *otBrunetteHim OP   Couple  over a year ago

birmingham


"We managed something close to this in the past, met a lovely lady at a hotel, the ladies enjoyed each other whilst I watched. The lady left, then and only then did I get involved, kez and I enjoyed each other thinking about what just happened, very hot to watch two ladies having fun. Lots of memories for future naughty times.

We also did it in a club, kez and the other lady went into a room for some fun, we could see the reflection, but the other ladies partner started to get funny, almost started banging the door down, borderline demanding to get involved, fortunately kez and the other lady were none the wiser so both still had fun.

"

I’m looking for solely girl time no men there at all unless we were meeting as a couple and then the girls played while the men watched. Girl on girl for me is just the women present

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By *orthern StarsCouple  over a year ago

Durham

Yes, I definitely meet on my own, and even set up my own single profile for this very reason. Unfortunately, as you say, there really aren't many genuine bi ladies who went to meet on a 1 to 1 basis . They all want their man to either watch or join in. It's such a shame and very frustrating. Clubs are the way forward.

Ruby

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"This isn't the best place to find bi experiences I've found. The women in couples are usually 'bi curious' which translates to doing it for their partners benefit. And single women, Jesus get more conversation out of a wardrobe. "

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By *hillenCouple  over a year ago

Borehamwood

She is most definitely bisexual and loves girl on girl which I'm happy to watch without participating.

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By *ain and sortedMan  over a year ago

Old Harlow Essex


"She is most definitely bisexual and loves girl on girl which I'm happy to watch without participating. "

She looks lovely and great photos and videos to my compliments x

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By *andK78Couple  over a year ago

Newport

A thread/post on Girl on Girl got hijacked by guys.

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By *ong-leggedblondWoman  over a year ago

Next Door

There's a female only night at xtasia soon. Why not go to the event?

Ff meets ate very hard to find, ive been looking for a few yrs.

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By *ilthycoupleabzCouple  over a year ago

Aberdeen


"She is most definitely bisexual and loves girl on girl which I'm happy to watch without participating. "

I think the point being made is - no man is required at all. Not even watching. By being present you change the dynamic and for the visiting fem, it feels like putting on a show for a man.

MrsAbz

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"She is most definitely bisexual and loves girl on girl which I'm happy to watch without participating.

I think the point being made is - no man is required at all. Not even watching. By being present you change the dynamic and for the visiting fem, it feels like putting on a show for a man.

MrsAbz "

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By *otBrunetteHim OP   Couple  over a year ago

birmingham


"She is most definitely bisexual and loves girl on girl which I'm happy to watch without participating.

I think the point being made is - no man is required at all. Not even watching. By being present you change the dynamic and for the visiting fem, it feels like putting on a show for a man.

MrsAbz "

Exactly! as if girl on girl isn’t obvious enough. By just being present and watching you become involved

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By *ndianLuxCouple  over a year ago

West midlands


"She is most definitely bisexual and loves girl on girl which I'm happy to watch without participating. "

At least read the whole thread to get the crux of the matter mate.

It’s about girl only meets , no wankers sorry watchers are allowed.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"She is most definitely bisexual and loves girl on girl which I'm happy to watch without participating.

I think the point being made is - no man is required at all. Not even watching. By being present you change the dynamic and for the visiting fem, it feels like putting on a show for a man.

MrsAbz

Exactly! as if girl on girl isn’t obvious enough. By just being present and watching you become involved "

Typical man reply. I don't want no man watching me. I'm not there for your sexual pleasure. Ewwwwww

Mrs C

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By *otally BenettonCouple  over a year ago

shropshire

We have no problem arranging female only meets even though we are a couple. Our preference would be that husbands or partner would get to watch but it isn’t in any way a deal breaker. Unfortunately, as this thread demonstrates, most people are quite cynical about the bi wife in a relationship thing. I’m sure there is good reason to be cynical but it seems harsh to suggest that most wives are only performing for their husbands.

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By *otBrunetteHim OP   Couple  over a year ago

birmingham


"We have no problem arranging female only meets even though we are a couple. Our preference would be that husbands or partner would get to watch but it isn’t in any way a deal breaker. Unfortunately, as this thread demonstrates, most people are quite cynical about the bi wife in a relationship thing. I’m sure there is good reason to be cynical but it seems harsh to suggest that most wives are only performing for their husbands."

This is why I enjoy a girl on girl meet, you know then she is genuinely bi and will both enjoy your time together. Again I have no problem enjoying a woman when we meet as a couple if everyone is playing not just the girls

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

A lot of women on here are only bi performatively for their male partner.

There will be loads of actual bi/lesbian women on here but since men and couples outnumber them it’s harder to find

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"A lot of women on here are only bi performatively for their male partner.

There will be loads of actual bi/lesbian women on here but since men and couples outnumber them it’s harder to find "

And the sweeping statement of the day award goes to…. Drum roll….

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By *ilthycoupleabzCouple  over a year ago

Aberdeen


"A lot of women on here are only bi performatively for their male partner.

There will be loads of actual bi/lesbian women on here but since men and couples outnumber them it’s harder to find

And the sweeping statement of the day award goes to…. Drum roll…."

You know that actual bi women never have male partners. How silly. Its only single women who can be bi...

MrsAbz

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"A lot of women on here are only bi performatively for their male partner.

There will be loads of actual bi/lesbian women on here but since men and couples outnumber them it’s harder to find

And the sweeping statement of the day award goes to…. Drum roll….

You know that actual bi women never have male partners. How silly. Its only single women who can be bi...

MrsAbz"

Obviously haha how silly of us.

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By *iscreetfuncpl12Couple  over a year ago

Somerset


"This isn't the best place to find bi experiences I've found. The women in couples are usually 'bi curious' which translates to doing it for their partners benefit. And single women, Jesus get more conversation out of a wardrobe. "
maybe we are just lucky, but all the females in couples we have met have been very bi(if indeed bisexuality has gradations). Most of the males too!

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By *unlovinCouple  over a year ago

Midlands

Watching this thread with interest , and I must say some of the comments really make me smile .

Mrs is bi sexual because she is and enjoys the ladies , it’s definitely not done purely for my benefit as some one stated

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By *ausageandbeansMan  over a year ago

south west

I find it's a similar thing with MF couples where often there is no sign of the female during conversations or meeting arrangements

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By *izandpaulCouple  over a year ago

merseyside


"So you see a status “ looking for girl on girl” you reply, a few short messages later then there’s a man involved!! Again! Grrrr!!

Do any women meet other women on their own?

Girl on girl to me is exactly that, no men involved. If we meet as a couple and the girls play in that situation then that’s fine. I just want some alone time with another women "

We generally meet as a couple for a social initially and then if all happy, the girl exists and not a random bloke who's partner isn't too well tonight, then I'm happy to meet alone.

So many dreamers, timewasters and very odd people on here you just cannot take the chance of meeting up alone at first.

But had some fab meets, lots come from couples and single girls we meet at parties, clubs etc.

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By *eductive_chaosWoman  over a year ago

Northumberland

I'm looking for more girl/girl experience. I want it with my partner though, not for his benefit just because we want to share the experience at this point in time.

Single women here are really hard work I've found so far!

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By *partharmonyCouple  over a year ago

Ruislip

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By *partharmonyCouple  over a year ago

Ruislip

Hannah would meet women alone if she found somebody who floats her boat. I (Luke) would not be involved in any way.

She very definitely bi. She's way past curious.

It would require somebody making a move on her because she doesn't feel comfortable initiating it.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I find it's a similar thing with MF couples where often there is no sign of the female during conversations or meeting arrangements "

I am assuming the female is there when you actually meet though? And it’s a coupe you’ve been messaging so your expect both parties to be at the meet unless agreed otherwise? It’s really not the same thing.

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By *entle_lover_xMan  over a year ago

Great Dunmow


"I'm not your target audience, but people seem to do better at clubs for meeting bi fems.

As already said, lots of women play bi for the benefit of their man and wouldn't meet a lady if he's not involved.

"

While sometimes true there are also a lot of ladies who are genuinely bi and enjoy it but only play as a couple whether meeting men or ladies. Just because bi they don’t stop being a couple.

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By *entle_lover_xMan  over a year ago

Great Dunmow


"I find it's a similar thing with MF couples where often there is no sign of the female during conversations or meeting arrangements "

Yes this happens often but just the way it is. On my my couples profile I make all the arrangements. She is jaded from all the Fab crap, can’t be bothered and trusts me. She looks at profiles and messages but I make the arrangements. Find lots of real couples who meet are the same.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I find it's a similar thing with MF couples where often there is no sign of the female during conversations or meeting arrangements

Yes this happens often but just the way it is. On my my couples profile I make all the arrangements. She is jaded from all the Fab crap, can’t be bothered and trusts me. She looks at profiles and messages but I make the arrangements. Find lots of real couples who meet are the same. "

Yep same for us

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By *ilthycoupleabzCouple  over a year ago

Aberdeen


"I'm looking for more girl/girl experience. I want it with my partner though, not for his benefit just because we want to share the experience at this point in time.

Single women here are really hard work I've found so far! "

Its quite a difficult situation really.

By wanting a single bi fem to join you, the field of available women is greatly reduced, from an already small number of single women wishing to join couples. Therefore, it isn't as easy to find someone whom meets your requirements and you theirs.

The usual advice is to go to clubs etc (not handy for us as its 100 miles to the nearest one)

MrsAbz

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By *issmorganWoman  over a year ago

Calderdale innit


"I'm not your target audience, but people seem to do better at clubs for meeting bi fems.

As already said, lots of women play bi for the benefit of their man and wouldn't meet a lady if he's not involved.

While sometimes true there are also a lot of ladies who are genuinely bi and enjoy it but only play as a couple whether meeting men or ladies. Just because bi they don’t stop being a couple. "

I wasn't saying it's all women and couples, but I've seen quite a few posts where women have openly admitted they only play with other women to get their blokes off.

There are lots of genuinely bi ladies, both single and in couples, but the behaviour of those who do it to please men can mean that some ladies are wary that they're being used to put on a show.

Plus if they agree to just meeting the fem for fun, I can see why it would then be irritating for someone to as if their partner can watch.

It's all about people being honest and upfront about what they want and like, sadly many aren't and thats why people become frustrated.

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By *entle_lover_xMan  over a year ago

Great Dunmow


"I'm not your target audience, but people seem to do better at clubs for meeting bi fems.

As already said, lots of women play bi for the benefit of their man and wouldn't meet a lady if he's not involved.

While sometimes true there are also a lot of ladies who are genuinely bi and enjoy it but only play as a couple whether meeting men or ladies. Just because bi they don’t stop being a couple.

I wasn't saying it's all women and couples, but I've seen quite a few posts where women have openly admitted they only play with other women to get their blokes off.

There are lots of genuinely bi ladies, both single and in couples, but the behaviour of those who do it to please men can mean that some ladies are wary that they're being used to put on a show.

Plus if they agree to just meeting the fem for fun, I can see why it would then be irritating for someone to as if their partner can watch.

It's all about people being honest and upfront about what they want and like, sadly many aren't and thats why people become frustrated. "

Oh yes don’t disagree with any of that. I was just highlighting that many bi ladies who only meet with partner are indeed bi doing it for themselves. But I do get why people are suspicious and frustrated. We are the same. Also many claiming to be bi but really not when you meet which we suspect is more wishful thinking by the male half.

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By *ilthycoupleabzCouple  over a year ago

Aberdeen


"I'm not your target audience, but people seem to do better at clubs for meeting bi fems.

As already said, lots of women play bi for the benefit of their man and wouldn't meet a lady if he's not involved.

While sometimes true there are also a lot of ladies who are genuinely bi and enjoy it but only play as a couple whether meeting men or ladies. Just because bi they don’t stop being a couple.

I wasn't saying it's all women and couples, but I've seen quite a few posts where women have openly admitted they only play with other women to get their blokes off.

There are lots of genuinely bi ladies, both single and in couples, but the behaviour of those who do it to please men can mean that some ladies are wary that they're being used to put on a show.

Plus if they agree to just meeting the fem for fun, I can see why it would then be irritating for someone to as if their partner can watch.

It's all about people being honest and upfront about what they want and like, sadly many aren't and thats why people become frustrated. "

Ew, haven't seen any posts of women saying that but you have to wonder about the kind of person who enjoys their partner doing something they don't like just to appease them. That feels highly unpleasant to me but maybe thats just me.

You're right though, people need to be more upfront and make their wants/needs known from the start and save everyone wasting time.

MrsAbz

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By *issmorganWoman  over a year ago

Calderdale innit


"I'm not your target audience, but people seem to do better at clubs for meeting bi fems.

As already said, lots of women play bi for the benefit of their man and wouldn't meet a lady if he's not involved.

While sometimes true there are also a lot of ladies who are genuinely bi and enjoy it but only play as a couple whether meeting men or ladies. Just because bi they don’t stop being a couple.

I wasn't saying it's all women and couples, but I've seen quite a few posts where women have openly admitted they only play with other women to get their blokes off.

There are lots of genuinely bi ladies, both single and in couples, but the behaviour of those who do it to please men can mean that some ladies are wary that they're being used to put on a show.

Plus if they agree to just meeting the fem for fun, I can see why it would then be irritating for someone to as if their partner can watch.

It's all about people being honest and upfront about what they want and like, sadly many aren't and thats why people become frustrated.

Ew, haven't seen any posts of women saying that but you have to wonder about the kind of person who enjoys their partner doing something they don't like just to appease them. That feels highly unpleasant to me but maybe thats just me.

You're right though, people need to be more upfront and make their wants/needs known from the start and save everyone wasting time.

MrsAbz "

They really do

I'm straight and half a couple, when chatting with a couple we don't mind if they have a Bi fem as long as they aren't specifically looking for girl on girl play, as that's off the table.

We've had couples say thats cool, but then been told later that the lady can turn me bi, or asked if I'll kiss his partner or do soft play with her etc. It's usually the male pushing for that type of thing.Its not on and I can totally understand why genuinely bi ladies are wary of couples or single fems who then suddenly have a male who wants to be there,when this hasn't been discussed or agreed.

It's a very male driven fantasy on here, so I think it's sometimes hard to know who is really benefitting from it.

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By *issmorganWoman  over a year ago

Calderdale innit

Re your last point, if my partner starting asking me to do anything like that, he would get a short sharp flea in his ear.

Thankfully he's not really bothered about it.

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By *heekyDemandCouple  over a year ago

Leicester


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While sometimes true there are also a lot of ladies who are genuinely bi and enjoy it but only play as a couple whether meeting men or ladies. Just because bi they don’t stop being a couple.

I wasn't saying it's all women and couples, but I've seen quite a few posts where women have openly admitted they only play with other women to get their blokes off.

There are lots of genuinely bi ladies, both single and in couples, but the behaviour of those who do it to please men can mean that some ladies are wary that they're being used to put on a show.

Plus if they agree to just meeting the fem for fun, I can see why it would then be irritating for someone to as if their partner can watch.

It's all about people being honest and upfront about what they want and like, sadly many aren't and thats why people become frustrated. "

We can see that being a problem for some, we only play as a couple but that doesn't always mean we need to participate, it just means we need to be present. It's as much a protection for Mr to not go off and play by himself as anything. Sure, we trust each other, but still it's better together. When we are enjoying others it's good to see them enjoying themselves.

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By *toC Thats MeWoman  over a year ago

Sheffield

Single bi fem here (real life single too

I’ve found this best found in a club setting. I wouldn’t want to meet a couple and the guy watch either.

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