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Being fans of tatoos and piercings scarification is almost like being extreme for the sake of it.
I put it up there with the genital modification stuff like splitting the penis as just out there extreme stuff.
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I'd love a scarification design done, but results depend greatly. I heal really well, and tend not to scar, so it probably wouldn't work too well on me.
There are ways of encouraging scarring, however, rubbing acid into an already open wound doesn't really appeal to me!! |
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Scarification isn't new. It is an age old method of body decoration across a variation of cultures.
Self harm comes in many forms not just cutting which unavoidably leaves scars.
One is a pattern/design on the skin simply for beauty or to signify something right of passage in life.
The other is a deeply rooted reaction to pain and lifes problems.
Scarification belongs with tatoos, perms, eyeliners, vagazzles , diamonds in the teeth, piercings, studs, jewellry.
Self harm belongs with Mental illness, methods of coping, alcohol, drug addiction , over eating , violent rages and similar dysfunctions. |
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im not aware that scarification is part of the uk culture and my opinion is that in some circles it glamourises self harm or at the least makes it acceptable.
" No, no, honestly. "Im not self harming.Its called scarification." |
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"Scarification isn't new. It is an age old method of body decoration across a variation of cultures.
Self harm comes in many forms not just cutting which unavoidably leaves scars.
One is a pattern/design on the skin simply for beauty or to signify something right of passage in life.
The other is a deeply rooted reaction to pain and lifes problems.
Scarification belongs with tatoos, perms, eyeliners, vagazzles , diamonds in the teeth, piercings, studs, jewellry.
Self harm belongs with Mental illness, methods of coping, alcohol, drug addiction , over eating , violent rages and similar dysfunctions."
 The voice of reason..well said! |
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We feel scarification is just an extension of personal expression very much like tattoos.
And in this world where tattoos are fashionable people are looking for other ways to express their individuality, surely self harming its more a private thing....don't know many people who self harm to show off |
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"Scarification isn't new. It is an age old method of body decoration across a variation of cultures.
Self harm comes in many forms not just cutting which unavoidably leaves scars.
One is a pattern/design on the skin simply for beauty or to signify something right of passage in life.
The other is a deeply rooted reaction to pain and lifes problems.
Scarification belongs with tatoos, perms, eyeliners, vagazzles , diamonds in the teeth, piercings, studs, jewellry.
Self harm belongs with Mental illness, methods of coping, alcohol, drug addiction , over eating , violent rages and similar dysfunctions."
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"We feel scarification is just an extension of personal expression very much like tattoos.
And in this world where tattoos are fashionable people are looking for other ways to express their individuality, surely self harming its more a private thing....don't know many people who self harm to show off"
Do you know anyone who self harms ? Its a private thing because there is stigma attached to cutting yourself. Scarification tries to circumnavigate that by making it trendy, glamorous and acceptable. Is it really a "lifestyle" choice or are people making up ways to justify cutting their body ? |
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"scarification seems to be about making self harming ok and trendy. The desire to want to do it might be indicative of borderline personality disorder which isnt trendy."
The same could be said of tattoos, and/or excessive piercings. The same could be said of any desire to act out of the public range of normal, including swinging.
I have in the past been diagnosed with BPD, which incidently is no longer called that, however, I have never self harmed. I do have 15 tattoos and swing though. |
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"scarification seems to be about making self harming ok and trendy. The desire to want to do it might be indicative of borderline personality disorder which isnt trendy.
The same could be said of tattoos, and/or excessive piercings. The same could be said of any desire to act out of the public range of normal, including swinging.
I have in the past been diagnosed with BPD, which incidently is no longer called that, however, I have never self harmed. I do have 15 tattoos and swing though."
What is BPD called now then ? I guess the peeps who try to justify scarification would have no probs walking in on a teenage son or daughter who was cutting themselves and be ok with that. |
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"We feel scarification is just an extension of personal expression very much like tattoos.
And in this world where tattoos are fashionable people are looking for other ways to express their individuality, surely self harming its more a private thing....don't know many people who self harm to show off
Do you know anyone who self harms ? Its a private thing because there is stigma attached to cutting yourself. Scarification tries to circumnavigate that by making it trendy, glamorous and acceptable. Is it really a "lifestyle" choice or are people making up ways to justify cutting their body ?"
Worked with people with varying degrees of mental illness and knew lots of people who self harm...so do have an inkling into people motivation for harm, or substance abuse, etc
If that is the case then surely tattooing is, for some, just another way to self harm, as I'm pretty sure we can all agree it does hurt and releases the same endorphins, is this acceptable then?
Scarification, like branding or tattooing, or cosmetic surgery is just modifying the body to either show off individuality or an expression of one's personality |
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"What is BPD called now then ? I guess the peeps who try to justify scarification would have no probs walking in on a teenage son or daughter who was cutting themselves and be ok with that."
Probably bipolar affective disorder.
As for scarification and self-harming, surely there's a world of difference. One is about personal distress/unhappiness and turning the pain into self-damage, whereas the other is more constructive, where someone expresses something more proactively, towards expression etc.
I don't have friends who have used scarification, but do know others who have self-harmed. I admire the former and sense the pain of the latter. |
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I'm sure we can all feel for people who feel the need to self harm, it's an unpleasant situation for anyone who feels their only release is to self harm.
Scarification or any body modification is a choice, never known anyone who was in a situation where they felt their only release was to get a tattoo or piercing or branding etc |
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"We feel scarification is just an extension of personal expression very much like tattoos.
And in this world where tattoos are fashionable people are looking for other ways to express their individuality, surely self harming its more a private thing....don't know many people who self harm to show off
Do you know anyone who self harms ? Its a private thing because there is stigma attached to cutting yourself. Scarification tries to circumnavigate that by making it trendy, glamorous and acceptable. Is it really a "lifestyle" choice or are people making up ways to justify cutting their body ?
Worked with people with varying degrees of mental illness and knew lots of people who self harm...so do have an inkling into people motivation for harm, or substance abuse, etc
If that is the case then surely tattooing is, for some, just another way to self harm, as I'm pretty sure we can all agree it does hurt and releases the same endorphins, is this acceptable then?
Scarification, like branding or tattooing, or cosmetic surgery is just modifying the body to either show off individuality or an expression of one's personality"
Tattooing is lawful in the uk im not sure you can say the same for branding or scarring. Many people with borderline personality disorder have a lot of tattoos. However tattooing usually requires the services of a registered tattooist. Scarring yourself needs no one else unless its somewhere you cant reach. Anyone cutting or branding someone else is breaking the law i suspect. |
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You can't even begin to put it in the same category as self harming!
Its a surgical procedure performed by highly trained specialists for a cosmetic purpose, obviously not something everyone finds attractive but it is an individual thing.
Now with that in mind are women who have had a boob job also self harming?? As that is a form of body modification that involves a surgical procedure? |
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"We feel scarification is just an extension of personal expression very much like tattoos.
And in this world where tattoos are fashionable people are looking for other ways to express their individuality, surely self harming its more a private thing....don't know many people who self harm to show off
Do you know anyone who self harms ? Its a private thing because there is stigma attached to cutting yourself. Scarification tries to circumnavigate that by making it trendy, glamorous and acceptable. Is it really a "lifestyle" choice or are people making up ways to justify cutting their body ?
Worked with people with varying degrees of mental illness and knew lots of people who self harm...so do have an inkling into people motivation for harm, or substance abuse, etc
If that is the case then surely tattooing is, for some, just another way to self harm, as I'm pretty sure we can all agree it does hurt and releases the same endorphins, is this acceptable then?
Scarification, like branding or tattooing, or cosmetic surgery is just modifying the body to either show off individuality or an expression of one's personality
Tattooing is lawful in the uk im not sure you can say the same for branding or scarring. Many people with borderline personality disorder have a lot of tattoos. However tattooing usually requires the services of a registered tattooist. Scarring yourself needs no one else unless its somewhere you cant reach. Anyone cutting or branding someone else is breaking the law i suspect."
It is infact perfectly legal but difficult to find someone to do it as there are very few people fully qualified to carry out the procedure
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"We feel scarification is just an extension of personal expression very much like tattoos.
And in this world where tattoos are fashionable people are looking for other ways to express their individuality, surely self harming its more a private thing....don't know many people who self harm to show off
Do you know anyone who self harms ? Its a private thing because there is stigma attached to cutting yourself. Scarification tries to circumnavigate that by making it trendy, glamorous and acceptable. Is it really a "lifestyle" choice or are people making up ways to justify cutting their body ?"
This is WAY off the mark.
A person self harming is doing so in emotional turmoil.
They really haven't the presence of mind to sit and make pretty precise patterns. |
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"What is BPD called now then ? I guess the peeps who try to justify scarification would have no probs walking in on a teenage son or daughter who was cutting themselves and be ok with that.
Probably bipolar affective disorder.
As for scarification and self-harming, surely there's a world of difference. One is about personal distress/unhappiness and turning the pain into self-damage, whereas the other is more constructive, where someone expresses something more proactively, towards expression etc.
I don't have friends who have used scarification, but do know others who have self-harmed. I admire the former and sense the pain of the latter."
Borderline personality disorder is i believe still called BPD, at least it is on the DSM IV. |
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"We feel scarification is just an extension of personal expression very much like tattoos.
And in this world where tattoos are fashionable people are looking for other ways to express their individuality, surely self harming its more a private thing....don't know many people who self harm to show off
Do you know anyone who self harms ? Its a private thing because there is stigma attached to cutting yourself. Scarification tries to circumnavigate that by making it trendy, glamorous and acceptable. Is it really a "lifestyle" choice or are people making up ways to justify cutting their body ?
This is WAY off the mark.
A person self harming is doing so in emotional turmoil.
They really haven't the presence of mind to sit and make pretty precise patterns. "
Fair enough. Thats your opinion. I have evidence that contradicts that. |
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"We feel scarification is just an extension of personal expression very much like tattoos.
And in this world where tattoos are fashionable people are looking for other ways to express their individuality, surely self harming its more a private thing....don't know many people who self harm to show off
Do you know anyone who self harms ? Its a private thing because there is stigma attached to cutting yourself. Scarification tries to circumnavigate that by making it trendy, glamorous and acceptable. Is it really a "lifestyle" choice or are people making up ways to justify cutting their body ?
Worked with people with varying degrees of mental illness and knew lots of people who self harm...so do have an inkling into people motivation for harm, or substance abuse, etc
If that is the case then surely tattooing is, for some, just another way to self harm, as I'm pretty sure we can all agree it does hurt and releases the same endorphins, is this acceptable then?
Scarification, like branding or tattooing, or cosmetic surgery is just modifying the body to either show off individuality or an expression of one's personality
Tattooing is lawful in the uk im not sure you can say the same for branding or scarring. Many people with borderline personality disorder have a lot of tattoos. However tattooing usually requires the services of a registered tattooist. Scarring yourself needs no one else unless its somewhere you cant reach. Anyone cutting or branding someone else is breaking the law i suspect.
It is infact perfectly legal but difficult to find someone to do it as there are very few people fully qualified to carry out the procedure
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I think you are mistaken about it being legal. |
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All forms of body modification is legal in the UK as long as it is done by registered, professionally trained personnel...there's not many in the UK but the ones who do body mod are highly trained in all aspects of their chosen profession |
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Having worked within the tattoo/body modification industry myself I can tell you scarification is perfectly legal as is branding if the artist is registered to do the procedure.
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"There is no law in this country banning scarification. "
Offences against the person act 1861.
Branding/scarification, ABH if it doesnt break the skin. Otherwise all result in wounding and some GBH.
Regardless of consent. |
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Activities not specifically legislated for
Many of the more extreme activities of body art fall in to a category that is neither specifically permitted nor prohibited by statute (see Table 1.0 level 5).
Based on the judgements of the Higher Courts, particularly Brown (1994), and the AG Reference No 6 (1980), it is suggested that the more extreme body art practices (branding, braiding, beading, scarification, tongue splitting and amputation) do not fall within the recognised exemptions to violence and would be illegal despite the consent of the victim. This is based on a public policy consideration that such levels of violence and injury are not something that society should endorse. Although the decision in Wilson (1997) established that consent may be a defence to actual bodily harm (branding) in certain circumstances, the commercial application of practices leading to actual bodily harm are different and some of the more extreme practices result in wounding or grievous bodily harm.
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"We feel scarification is just an extension of personal expression very much like tattoos.
And in this world where tattoos are fashionable people are looking for other ways to express their individuality, surely self harming its more a private thing....don't know many people who self harm to show off
Do you know anyone who self harms ? Its a private thing because there is stigma attached to cutting yourself. Scarification tries to circumnavigate that by making it trendy, glamorous and acceptable. Is it really a "lifestyle" choice or are people making up ways to justify cutting their body ?"
Its a lifestyle choice and I can't believe you're trying to drag it into the same bracket as self harming!
For a start, you don't perform scarification on yourself so you aren't 'self harming'. Secondly, scarification is an extreme end of the body modification scale and is performed by professionals in a sterile, safe environment.
If you want to educate yourself on the differences, watch "Modify' on netflix or DVD. It deals with the various ways in which people modify their bodies and everyone who does any kind of modification is crystal clear on the difference between body modification and body mutilation, which is what self harming and cutting is.
Just don't watch it while you're eating! |
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"There is no law in this country banning scarification.
Offences against the person act 1861.
Branding/scarification, ABH if it doesnt break the skin. Otherwise all result in wounding and some GBH.
Regardless of consent."
So why aren't the police flooding the various tattoo jams and exhibitions where scarification and other body mods, such as tongue splitting, taks place in a public building? |
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Having said all that, there will always be a crossover element in society who will fall somewhere between the two.
Those who have emotional and mental issues and are also into the body modification lifestyle who will use something such as scarification as a substitute for 'cutting' themselves but you really can't predict or legislate for those people. All you can hope for is that the person performing the procedures is professional enough to spot when someone is doing it for the wrong reasons.
Its totally personal choice but to say its just another form of 'self harming' is wrong.
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"Having said all that, there will always be a crossover element in society who will fall somewhere between the two.
Those who have emotional and mental issues and are also into the body modification lifestyle who will use something such as scarification as a substitute for 'cutting' themselves but you really can't predict or legislate for those people. All you can hope for is that the person performing the procedures is professional enough to spot when someone is doing it for the wrong reasons.
Its totally personal choice but to say its just another form of 'self harming' is wrong.
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I didnt say it was just another form of self harming. |
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An ex boyfriend of my daughter has some done, you have to keep picking off the scabs so it dont heel to quick to get the best effect, it got really infected, looks good tho but i think you'd have to be a bit mad to go thro what he did  |
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So are we saying scarification is acceptable for a consenting adult or its no different from self harming? But tattooing and piercing is ok? What about parents having their children's ears pierced?
I agree the laws on body modification are both confusing and in some cases out dated, that's is why tattooists across the country are working with the tattoo union to put in place legislation that is both clear and industry recognised for the safety of both clients and practitioners of all forms of body modification.
Only really wanted to know how much it might hurt |
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So back on topic, I saw it being done at a tattoo convention a couple of years ago. The guy having it done was in agony. It was fascinating to watch.
The artist gave a small talk at the end, explaining about various ways in which you can make the scarring deeper. Constantly picking the scabs, some people even rub bleach or acid (can't remember which typ, but it was a commonly available one) into the wound so it doesn't heal.
I'd like it done, just so I can try. But yhe designs aren't that complex and as I said previously I don't scar. |
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Because I'm having a small design I've been told I can use skin numbing cream....not sure though, kind of wanna find out how much pain, people around the conventions seem to have the opinion idea not that bad |
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I handle pain really well. Can't cry through pain. By that I mean actual physical tears. Feel it, but like some people want to push their mental boundaries I like pushing my physical ones. I'm currently chatting to someone about being suspended. Actual hooks through skin suspension, not the rope type. |
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"scarification seems to be about making self harming ok and trendy. The desire to want to do it might be indicative of borderline personality disorder which isnt trendy.
The same could be said of tattoos, and/or excessive piercings. The same could be said of any desire to act out of the public range of normal, including swinging.
I have in the past been diagnosed with BPD, which incidently is no longer called that, however, I have never self harmed. I do have 15 tattoos and swing though."
So what is BPD called now then ? |
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"I handle pain really well. Can't cry through pain. By that I mean actual physical tears. Feel it, but like some people want to push their mental boundaries I like pushing my physical ones. I'm currently chatting to someone about being suspended. Actual hooks through skin suspension, not the rope type. "
ive actually seen this being done, went to the download festival. i think it was either 2008 or 2009 and they had a stage set up with this on, they has a women and they put meat hooks thro her tits and pulled her up. made me feel bad if im honest i couldnt watch  |
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Also seen suspension acts at fetish clubs, talking to the people afterwards say it's more about the rush from the endorphins and the feeling of release, not about the pain |
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"Also seen suspension acts at fetish clubs, talking to the people afterwards say it's more about the rush from the endorphins and the feeling of release, not about the pain"
i think thats one type of rush i can live without  |
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