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By *enerifehotwifecpl OP   Couple  over a year ago

West Yorkshire

Say something to shock us x

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By *idlandiaMan  over a year ago

Birmingham

Iv connected your chair to the mains...

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By *lik and PaulCouple  over a year ago

cahoots

We haven't had sex yet today

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

YET

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"We haven't had sex yet today "

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By *he Silver FuxMan  over a year ago

Uttoxeter

I saw a single roll of disposable kitchen towels being sold for £5.40

FFS, that’s shocking

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By *s2walesCouple  over a year ago

Gwent...

We're behind you!!!.....we wish lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Leeds will get promoted this season?

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By *r imp miss minxCouple  over a year ago

Colchester


"Leeds will get promoted this season?"

You missed off ‘dirty’!!!???

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By *enerifehotwifecpl OP   Couple  over a year ago

West Yorkshire

HA HA!

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By *valanche1001Man  over a year ago

Leeds


"Leeds will get promoted this season?

You missed off ‘mighty’!!!??? "

Fixed that for you

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By *mfguy123Man  over a year ago

East Sussex

Crab sticks don’t actually contain any crab

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By *ormerWelshcouple2020Man  over a year ago

Stourbridge

I’ve been on the front page of the Sun.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

That's not unique, I was on the Sun and Mail front covers on the same day!

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By *heekymilfandhubbyCouple  over a year ago

north wales


"I’ve been on the front page of the Sun. "

I'd be worried if you said the front page of the sport!!

They used to come out with some strange stories

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By *ardhatCharlieMan  over a year ago

Northwest

If the human brain was simple enough for us to understand it fully, we would be too simple to understand it fully.

Might not shock you, but its a true fact.

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By *ormerWelshcouple2020Man  over a year ago

Stourbridge


"I’ve been on the front page of the Sun.

I'd be worried if you said the front page of the sport!!

They used to come out with some strange stories "

This was a little strange !

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By *heekymilfandhubbyCouple  over a year ago

north wales


"I’ve been on the front page of the Sun.

I'd be worried if you said the front page of the sport!!

They used to come out with some strange stories

This was a little strange ! "

C'mon..you got to tell us now!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I think you maybe unshockable!

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By *ge_load_ladMan  over a year ago

NW & Mids


"Say something to shock us x"

I actually met with someone off here last night!

Btw Would you both be up for meeting x

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By *ormerWelshcouple2020Man  over a year ago

Stourbridge


"I’ve been on the front page of the Sun.

I'd be worried if you said the front page of the sport!!

They used to come out with some strange stories

This was a little strange !

C'mon..you got to tell us now! "

Well I had a very strange but serious accident where I broke my neck

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By *heekymilfandhubbyCouple  over a year ago

north wales


"I’ve been on the front page of the Sun.

I'd be worried if you said the front page of the sport!!

They used to come out with some strange stories

This was a little strange !

C'mon..you got to tell us now!

Well I had a very strange but serious accident where I broke my neck "

Hopefully your fully recovered

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By *ormerWelshcouple2020Man  over a year ago

Stourbridge


"I’ve been on the front page of the Sun.

I'd be worried if you said the front page of the sport!!

They used to come out with some strange stories

This was a little strange !

C'mon..you got to tell us now!

Well I had a very strange but serious accident where I broke my neck

Hopefully your fully recovered "

thank you I’m recovered but it’s never truly fixed I get lots of issues.

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By *alldarkhandsomedaveMan  over a year ago

Derby


"I saw a single roll of disposable kitchen towels being sold for £5.40

FFS, that’s shocking "

Why is kitchen roll just so damn expensive, it’s something I’ve often wondered myself!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Freddie Mercury was average singer and an overrated show pony

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By *heekymilfandhubbyCouple  over a year ago

north wales


"I’ve been on the front page of the Sun.

I'd be worried if you said the front page of the sport!!

They used to come out with some strange stories

This was a little strange !

C'mon..you got to tell us now!

Well I had a very strange but serious accident where I broke my neck

Hopefully your fully recovered

thank you I’m recovered but it’s never truly fixed I get lots of issues. "

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By *ee1967Man  over a year ago

watford

I've only wanked once over your pics!!!

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By *he ass man 666Man  over a year ago

paradise city


"Leeds will get promoted this season?"

Not shocking , that’s the truth right there alaw

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

look at inflation rates lol

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By *icecouple561Couple  over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

I've removed posts. Please don't post anything illegal or against forum rules. This includes family and underage

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By *inkyguymkMan  over a year ago

Milton Keynes

The "S" on Superman's chest stands for Superman.

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By *aucasian GhandiMan  over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

Football is Rugby's bitch

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By *eneralKenobiMan  over a year ago

North Angus

*puts jump leads and battery away

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I had sex with someone who isn't on Fab.

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By *penbicoupleCouple  over a year ago

Northampton


"If the human brain was simple enough for us to understand it fully, we would be too simple to understand it fully.

Might not shock you, but its a true fact. "

There's no way of knowing that.

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By *aucasian GhandiMan  over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)


"*puts jump leads and battery away "

*pulls out tarpaulin instead

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By *inkywife1981Couple  over a year ago

A town near you

Mark Chapman was CIA

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By *eneralKenobiMan  over a year ago

North Angus


"Mark Chapman was CIA"

The dude from the Levellers?

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By *ellhungvweMan  over a year ago

Cheltenham

It’s stopped raining! Apparently the sky is blue - who knew that?

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By *aptain Caveman41Man  over a year ago

Home

It's not raining in Ireland today

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By *inkywife1981Couple  over a year ago

A town near you


"Mark Chapman was CIA

The dude from the Levellers? "

The dude that shot Mi5 operative John Lennon

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By *eckard2019Man  over a year ago

North West Durham

Your 22 April hand bra pic is my current mobile phone wallpaper

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By *illie69Woman  over a year ago

leeds/wakefield


"Crab sticks don’t actually contain any crab"

Toad in the hole doesn't contain any toads

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By *implynaughty1Couple  over a year ago

stockport

I have made the first page of hot pics mrs m

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Chemtrails are actually real and your taxes pay for it. Enjoy.

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By *penbicoupleCouple  over a year ago

Northampton


"Chemtrails are actually real and your taxes pay for it. Enjoy. "

Yes, I am shocked that someone would believe that.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Chemtrails are actually real and your taxes pay for it. Enjoy.

Yes, I am shocked that someone would believe that. "

I thought you might be

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By *ittlemissFlirtyCouple  over a year ago

Southampton


"Football is Rugby's bitch "

Truth ! Lol

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By *archelCouple  over a year ago

A field somewhere

If all the space in between atoms were removed and the nuclei compressed, then the earth would have a radius of about 134 metres

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"If all the space in between atoms were removed and the nuclei compressed, then the earth would have a radius of about 134 metres"

Are you sure about that? Really sure?

Or are you just one of the billions of people who regurgitate bullshit.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Im not being nasty btw. It's just most people don't even know if what they say is true... Like 'global boiling' for instance. It's bullshit.

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By *archelCouple  over a year ago

A field somewhere


"Im not being nasty btw. It's just most people don't even know if what they say is true... Like 'global boiling' for instance. It's bullshit."

You sound shocked

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Im not being nasty btw. It's just most people don't even know if what they say is true... Like 'global boiling' for instance. It's bullshit.

You sound shocked "

See. You don't know.

Now the next time someone tells you a big stupid looking lizard called a 'dipplywhatever' lived millions of years ago in fkn na na land... Question it. Hopefully it will become a trend and the world will be delivered from total bullshit like global boiling = freezing. Thank you.

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By *penbicoupleCouple  over a year ago

Northampton


"Now the next time someone tells you a big stupid looking lizard called a 'dipplywhatever' lived millions of years ago in fkn na na land... Question it. Hopefully it will become a trend and the world will be delivered from total bullshit like global boiling = freezing. Thank you. "

To be fair, most intelligent people I know question everything. Critical thinking, unfortunately, really is a dying discipline.

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By *aucasian GhandiMan  over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)


"Now the next time someone tells you a big stupid looking lizard called a 'dipplywhatever' lived millions of years ago in fkn na na land... Question it. Hopefully it will become a trend and the world will be delivered from total bullshit like global boiling = freezing. Thank you.

To be fair, most intelligent people I know question everything. Critical thinking, unfortunately, really is a dying discipline. "

Swallow what their feed and then believe it, whereas the questioning of everything is frowned upon to an extent

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By *issyfaggotfayeTV/TS  over a year ago

Bolton

I'd love to steal your tits from you

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By *abs666Man  over a year ago

greenford

Aliens are visiting Peru

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By *hunky GentMan  over a year ago

Maldon and Peterborough


"Aliens are visiting Peru"

Again???????

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By *penbicoupleCouple  over a year ago

Northampton


"Aliens are visiting Peru"

I hear that it's just to refuel.

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By *scapismXXXMan  over a year ago

London


"Iv connected your chair to the mains..."

Howled with laughter.

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By *ames-77Man  over a year ago

milton keynes


"Iv connected your chair to the mains..."

Hahahaha

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I have a fart fetish, and would love to spend the night with a gassy gal lol sorry

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I love u, marry me...

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By *archelCouple  over a year ago

A field somewhere


"Im not being nasty btw. It's just most people don't even know if what they say is true... Like 'global boiling' for instance. It's bullshit.

You sound shocked

See. You don't know.

Now the next time someone tells you a big stupid looking lizard called a 'dipplywhatever' lived millions of years ago in fkn na na land... Question it. Hopefully it will become a trend and the world will be delivered from total bullshit like global boiling = freezing. Thank you. "

Should I be shocked?

Why should I not believe what I'm told by particle physicists?

I don't have access to or indeed the knowhow to use the equipment necessary to be able to measure the space in an atom.

Why should we not believe what we are told by specialists in their chosen field, who have published peer reviewed white papers?

And I do believe that global warming is cyclical, and we (mankind) are only a very small contributory factor.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Im not being nasty btw. It's just most people don't even know if what they say is true... Like 'global boiling' for instance. It's bullshit.

You sound shocked

See. You don't know.

Now the next time someone tells you a big stupid looking lizard called a 'dipplywhatever' lived millions of years ago in fkn na na land... Question it. Hopefully it will become a trend and the world will be delivered from total bullshit like global boiling = freezing. Thank you.

Should I be shocked?

Why should I not believe what I'm told by particle physicists?

I don't have access to or indeed the knowhow to use the equipment necessary to be able to measure the space in an atom.

Why should we not believe what we are told by specialists in their chosen field, who have published peer reviewed white papers?

And I do believe that global warming is cyclical, and we (mankind) are only a very small contributory factor.

For the simple reason that you don't understand not too.

If 'science' told you the world was flat tomorrow you would believe it... Because you have no brain of your own. - You simply believe what you are taught. BTW... 'Science' DID used to teach that the world was flat and persecuted Gallileo for saying it wasn't. 'Science' told the Wright Bros 'man will never fly!'. In short... 'Science' = bullshit.

"

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By *archelCouple  over a year ago

A field somewhere


"Im not being nasty btw. It's just most people don't even know if what they say is true... Like 'global boiling' for instance. It's bullshit.

You sound shocked

See. You don't know.

Now the next time someone tells you a big stupid looking lizard called a 'dipplywhatever' lived millions of years ago in fkn na na land... Question it. Hopefully it will become a trend and the world will be delivered from total bullshit like global boiling = freezing. Thank you.

Should I be shocked?

Why should I not believe what I'm told by particle physicists?

I don't have access to or indeed the knowhow to use the equipment necessary to be able to measure the space in an atom.

Why should we not believe what we are told by specialists in their chosen field, who have published peer reviewed white papers?

And I do believe that global warming is cyclical, and we (mankind) are only a very small contributory factor.

For the simple reason that you don't understand not too.

If 'science' told you the world was flat tomorrow you would believe it... Because you have no brain of your own. - You simply believe what you are taught. BTW... 'Science' DID used to teach that the world was flat and persecuted Gallileo for saying it wasn't. 'Science' told the Wright Bros 'man will never fly!'. In short... 'Science' = bullshit.

"

Science = bullshit? Really?

Science is all around us, it's absolutely everywhere yet you deny it and just call bullshit? Can you explain why it's bullshit? Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it bullshit. That's a bit like saying oxygen doesn't exist because we can't see it.

I'm at a loss as to how to explain anything to you.

I'm sorry to say it, but it's like trying to have a reasoned debate with a flat earther. And for that reason, I'm out.

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By *alsam1Couple  over a year ago

Caister

People won't believe in science but will totally believe Karen and Ken on YouTube lol

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By *llie AssMan  over a year ago

South Yorkshire


"Say something to shock us x"

Boo!

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By *urfdudeMan  over a year ago

WEXFORD

Im a pervert

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By *yrshiremale123Man  over a year ago

Kilwinning

So girl4boi, if the space was removed, what would the size be if not 134m?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Im not being nasty btw. It's just most people don't even know if what they say is true... Like 'global boiling' for instance. It's bullshit.

You sound shocked

See. You don't know.

Now the next time someone tells you a big stupid looking lizard called a 'dipplywhatever' lived millions of years ago in fkn na na land... Question it. Hopefully it will become a trend and the world will be delivered from total bullshit like global boiling = freezing. Thank you.

Should I be shocked?

Why should I not believe what I'm told by particle physicists?

I don't have access to or indeed the knowhow to use the equipment necessary to be able to measure the space in an atom.

Why should we not believe what we are told by specialists in their chosen field, who have published peer reviewed white papers?

And I do believe that global warming is cyclical, and we (mankind) are only a very small contributory factor.

For the simple reason that you don't understand not too.

If 'science' told you the world was flat tomorrow you would believe it... Because you have no brain of your own. - You simply believe what you are taught. BTW... 'Science' DID used to teach that the world was flat and persecuted Gallileo for saying it wasn't. 'Science' told the Wright Bros 'man will never fly!'. In short... 'Science' = bullshit.

Science = bullshit? Really?

Science is all around us, it's absolutely everywhere yet you deny it and just call bullshit? Can you explain why it's bullshit? Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it bullshit. That's a bit like saying oxygen doesn't exist because we can't see it.

I'm at a loss as to how to explain anything to you.

I'm sorry to say it, but it's like trying to have a reasoned debate with a flat earther. And for that reason, I'm out."

I just told you why.

'Science' is not 'reality'... It's an 'agenda' for the current era.

As I said... If 'science' said the earth was flat now you would believe it. No point saying you wouldn't... You would, because you have never researched it for yourself or done any experiments of your own to test it.

If it suits your masters to tell you big lizards the size of three double decker buses who sustained their impossible mass with long skinny necks and tiny mouths and had stupid 'flannimal-like' names and roamed the earth millions of years ago - they will tell you that! - And you'll believe it! - You'll suck it right up!

If it suits your masters to tell you they once went to the moon on a less than 40k computer (less than a 1980 zx spectrum (in the 60's)) (but cant go back because they don't have the tech anymore) - they will... And you'll swallow it...

The real problem is people who are convinced 'scientists' are looking out for them and are 'clever people' and are convinced that they themselves are too thick to do any thinking for themselves. - It's why the world is fucked.

...It won't wash when faced with the truth/reality as everyone does some day.

You folks can lie to me, even to yourselves but not to the Creator.

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By *ilthyParamedicMan  over a year ago

Lancaster

I once won a fancy dress competition dressed as a hedgehog. Spent 40 mins crawling around on the floor with a few pricks out...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Real scientists don't get any funding for their projects.

Bullshit artists (who enhance the 'agenda' do).

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By *yrshiremale123Man  over a year ago

Kilwinning

If you’re a wind up merchant you’re good. If you’re serious I feel sorry for you.

But that’s maybe too serious a debate for a swingers site lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"If you’re a wind up merchant you’re good. If you’re serious I feel sorry for you.

But that’s maybe too serious a debate for a swingers site lol"

Keep laughing at your own enslavment... great job.

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By *yrshiremale123Man  over a year ago

Kilwinning

Haha I’m a scientist. Your day to day existence relies on science.

Clothes, food, medicine and fuel?

Now that’s not to say there is shoddy science out there.

But to label it all as nonsense? Back to your cave lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Haha I’m a scientist. Your day to day existence relies on science.

Clothes, food, medicine and fuel?

Now that’s not to say there is shoddy science out there.

But to label it all as nonsense? Back to your cave lol"

You are the prison guard of your own cell.

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By *ustus555Couple  over a year ago

close

Insects have no pain receptors

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By *penbicoupleCouple  over a year ago

Northampton


"You folks can lie to me, even to yourselves but not to the Creator."

Silly billy. You mock people for believing what theyre told by "science," yet you believe in fairy tales.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"You folks can lie to me, even to yourselves but not to the Creator.

Silly billy. You mock people for believing what theyre told by "science," yet you believe in fairy tales. "

Ok. Be scientific and use scientific method... Name something made that doesn't have a maker.

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By *penbicoupleCouple  over a year ago

Northampton


"'Science' DID used to teach that the world was flat and persecuted Gallileo for saying it wasn't. '"

That's not why he was persecuted. Do you just make stuff up?

If you get verifiable historical facts wrong and refuse to believe what scientists tell you, where do you actually get your ideas from?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"'Science' DID used to teach that the world was flat and persecuted Gallileo for saying it wasn't. '

That's not why he was persecuted. Do you just make stuff up?

If you get verifiable historical facts wrong and refuse to believe what scientists tell you, where do you actually get your ideas from? "

Well admittedly it depends what bullshit history book you read. Some say he was persecuted for saying the earth revolves around the sun. Either way he was persecuted by 'science' for demonstrating real science... Which was my point... But I see you are grasping at straws now and need a few crutches...

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By *aughtybynature11Man  over a year ago

Northamptonshire

It's surprisingly good to smile in morning at work to the first person u see that u don't like

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"You folks can lie to me, even to yourselves but not to the Creator.

Silly billy. You mock people for believing what theyre told by "science," yet you believe in fairy tales.

Ok. Be scientific and use scientific method... Name something made that doesn't have a maker. "

C'mon you are taking ages. Google won't help you now.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Freddie Mercury was average singer and an overrated show pony"

Ha, I’m on board with this.

Most overrated band of all time. Or would be, rather, if not for the existence of Coldplay

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Alexa can't save you now lol!

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By *penbicoupleCouple  over a year ago

Northampton


"'Science' DID used to teach that the world was flat and persecuted Gallileo for saying it wasn't. '

That's not why he was persecuted. Do you just make stuff up?

If you get verifiable historical facts wrong and refuse to believe what scientists tell you, where do you actually get your ideas from?

Well admittedly it depends what bullshit history book you read. Some say he was persecuted for saying the earth revolves around the sun. Either way he was persecuted by 'science' for demonstrating real science... Which was my point... But I see you are grasping at straws now and need a few crutches..."

Now history is the culprit!

No, you were wrong. History books do not say he was persecuted for saying the earth was flat. You said he was, but he wasn't.

This very verifiable fact is pointed out to you - in an attenpt to crack through your arrogant shell - and rather than admit you were wrong you accuse me of clutching at straws.

(I do actually need crutches at the moment due to my arthritis. That's if I should believe the doctors!)

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By *penbicoupleCouple  over a year ago

Northampton


"Freddie Mercury was average singer and an overrated show pony

Ha, I’m on board with this.

Most overrated band of all time. Or would be, rather, if not for the existence of Coldplay "

Throw ABBA into the mix and I'm woth you.

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By *BC AndyMan  over a year ago

Richmond Upon Thames

Yorkshire puddings originated in Lancashire.

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By *aucasian GhandiMan  over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)


"'Science' DID used to teach that the world was flat and persecuted Gallileo for saying it wasn't. '

That's not why he was persecuted. Do you just make stuff up?

If you get verifiable historical facts wrong and refuse to believe what scientists tell you, where do you actually get your ideas from?

Well admittedly it depends what bullshit history book you read. Some say he was persecuted for saying the earth revolves around the sun. Either way he was persecuted by 'science' for demonstrating real science... Which was my point... But I see you are grasping at straws now and need a few crutches..."

He wasn't persecuted by science he was persecuted by the Roman Cathloc Church for heresy, for not aligning with their taught Dogmas and Doctrines.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Sher kept her tits in last night for 4 hours

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By *nliveneTV/TS  over a year ago

Selby

I didn't had sex for the last 8 months but i feel great and can't wait for tomorrow

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

In real science we observe that anything created has a creator. Nothing has been created that did not have a creator. THAT is real science. Real, observable, provable science.

Some acknowledge this Creator exists and live accordingly. Some prefer to invert everything and try to call it 'science'... But all it is and all it ever will be is total bullshit.

The end.

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By *eminiman79Man  over a year ago

Hartlepool

I got tied to a chair and it faced the wall a she got fucked by a lad we met in a bar on a weekend away. He made her sit on my dick after he cum inside her and I just loved. Later she made my hold his hard cock and put inside her and told me to leave for a bit so she could let go so he could fuck her arse which she only let me do one time and when I came back she had him in her arse and I watched him cum in it as she looked at me. I still wank over it.

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By *archelCouple  over a year ago

A field somewhere


"In real science we observe that anything created has a creator. Nothing has been created that did not have a creator. THAT is real science. Real, observable, provable science.

Some acknowledge this Creator exists and live accordingly. Some prefer to invert everything and try to call it 'science'... But all it is and all it ever will be is total bullshit.

The end."

I challenge you to prove that anything you have said is correct, create a repeatable experiment to disprove anything that Science has proven other than shouting bullshit at anyone who dare have a different viewpoint to you. Even a scientist!

It's time for the tin foil hat to come off and prove your pseudo science is the real science.

Hopefully you will conduct an experiment, have your findings peer reviewed, then publish a white paper detailing the experiment in such a way that I could repeat it and reach exactly the same conclusion as you (youtube videos are not irrefutable proof)

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By *penbicoupleCouple  over a year ago

Northampton


"In real science we observe that anything created has a creator."

Any time you find yourself using a phrase like 'real science,' you can rest assured that you should have paid closer attention in school. And your 'science' is simply a tautology.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Am sending this message filming you from your wardrobe

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By *eneralKenobiMan  over a year ago

North Angus


"Just stick to wanking and your meaningless marriages."

Have a snickers, you’re not the same when you’re hungry

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Typing this doing 120mph, mates got to get me there in half hour, and its40 minutes away

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By *empusMan  over a year ago

Poole


"Football is Rugby's bitch "

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By *empusMan  over a year ago

Poole

Some people I know aren’t on fab!!!

They just have normal relationships???

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Just stick to wanking and your meaningless marriages.

Have a snickers, you’re not the same when you’re hungry "

You eat that shit?

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By *penbicoupleCouple  over a year ago

Northampton


"None of them can answer it lol."

You are correct. No one can answer your argument that everything created has a creator. There is just literally no way to refute that.

I can't work out if you're having a bad day, bored, or just always like this. Either way, I hope things pick up for you.

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By *eneralKenobiMan  over a year ago

North Angus


"Just stick to wanking and your meaningless marriages.

Have a snickers, you’re not the same when you’re hungry

You eat that shit?"

No no, it’s chocolate. Shit isn’t edible

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By *aucasian GhandiMan  over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Just stick to wanking and your meaningless marriages.

Have a snickers, you’re not the same when you’re hungry

You eat that shit?

No no, it’s chocolate. Shit isn’t edible "

I forgot dung beetles ate snickers bars lol.

And apparently (and i just found this out myself today whilst browsing through one of my foraging books and being great and sexy)... For rabbits; eating their own feces is necessary for survival.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

... And people into scat... Mmm!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Just for the record I am NOT into skat (before i start getting messages about it).

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