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Hey guys,
So my partner decided to dabble with FAB as a couple, more a cuckold situation really - her doing meets alone, filming for my pleasure later on, or sometimes a guy coming to us and then two sharing a room while I just listen from another room ect…
Anyway, she gets chatting to a bloke on here, seems normal and decent enough to begin with, then when she couldn’t meet at the drop of a hat he starts getting really nasty and aggressive the absolute weirdo! Proper put her off now!
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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All the time.
It one of reasons the biggest block list on here is single men.
They can't handle rejection. They take it as an insult. Because their over confident they are the best.
And that's coming from a single male.
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"Hey guys,
So my partner decided to dabble with FAB as a couple, more a cuckold situation really - her doing meets alone, filming for my pleasure later on, or sometimes a guy coming to us and then two sharing a room while I just listen from another room ect…
Anyway, she gets chatting to a bloke on here, seems normal and decent enough to begin with, then when she couldn’t meet at the drop of a hat he starts getting really nasty and aggressive the absolute weirdo! Proper put her off now!
Anyone had similar experiences?"
I’d say at least 99% of couples.. maybe more. Absolute arseholes out there.
Block them immediately - do not engage further. I’m sorry that this experience has put her off |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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An odd time its happened but predominantly I've found single men are friendly and respectful. Theres always going to be the outliers but that goes for women and couples too. Some on here are dicks to people but most arent at least that's my experience. If it were the other way around, I'd leave. |
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By *empusMan
over a year ago
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"Yeah we blocked him as soon as he turned weirdly nasty! Just proper pissed me off, and quite scary for her tbh."
We’re not all like that, I promise. Would be good if fab could ban the dickheads somehow. They’re ruining it for everyone. |
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Very simular but not really Cuckold situation, more just a single guy looking at a MMF. As we live a very busy life we can't just meet up instantly which we clearly stated and the guy turned weird and creepy and ended up trying to offer money to meet.
As the guy was so persistent even when telling the guy we was no longer interested we ended up blocking him to which he would make multiple accounts and continued! |
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"Hey guys,
So my partner decided to dabble with FAB as a couple, more a cuckold situation really - her doing meets alone, filming for my pleasure later on, or sometimes a guy coming to us and then two sharing a room while I just listen from another room ect…
Anyway, she gets chatting to a bloke on here, seems normal and decent enough to begin with, then when she couldn’t meet at the drop of a hat he starts getting really nasty and aggressive the absolute weirdo! Proper put her off now!
Anyone had similar experiences?"
Yeah. If you're online, your life has to be dropped immediately, because you're looking for sex, right now, with anyone, even hundreds of miles away.
If you say no or not now or not yet, some people lose their minds. |
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"Hey guys,
So my partner decided to dabble with FAB as a couple, more a cuckold situation really - her doing meets alone, filming for my pleasure later on, or sometimes a guy coming to us and then two sharing a room while I just listen from another room ect…
Anyway, she gets chatting to a bloke on here, seems normal and decent enough to begin with, then when she couldn’t meet at the drop of a hat he starts getting really nasty and aggressive the absolute weirdo! Proper put her off now!
Anyone had similar experiences?"
Absolutely, as usual a couple wanted to see our face pics but we persuaded them to send theirs first as something seemed a little off. They were not for us and we politely told them so. Still they demanded to see our face pics and became quite rude so we had to block them. You'd think that would be the end of it but no !. They created another profile and stated to attack us from there !. Luckily blocking that one too put a stop to them  |
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"Believe it or not, woman do do similar things
I’ll second that mate, and that’s talking from experience! "
Every demographic does it.
The question was, do men do it. Yes. They do.
I would have thought men wouldn't have needed to defend themselves - if you don't do it, we're not talking about you. |
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over a year ago
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We haven’t had any aggression, a few very pushy people though. One guy springs to mind after we had only joined a matter of hours, quite insistent that we should do a video call with him so he can verify us as no one would believe we are a real account if we don’t.
I’m sure it’s a numbers game for him and some will fall for it. If we speak with any newbies now we do try to warm them in advance. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We haven’t had any aggression, a few very pushy people though. One guy springs to mind after we had only joined a matter of hours, quite insistent that we should do a video call with him so he can verify us as no one would believe we are a real account if we don’t.
I’m sure it’s a numbers game for him and some will fall for it. If we speak with any newbies now we do try to warm them in advance. "
You are lucky.
We have had insults, threats and all sorts just because we said no.
Usually starts with the decline and get them asking for an explanation as they are adamant they are what we want!!!... we refuse to respond to be met with some of the most vile remarks and even threats to 'out' us etc. |
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"We haven’t had any aggression, a few very pushy people though. One guy springs to mind after we had only joined a matter of hours, quite insistent that we should do a video call with him so he can verify us as no one would believe we are a real account if we don’t.
I’m sure it’s a numbers game for him and some will fall for it. If we speak with any newbies now we do try to warm them in advance.
You are lucky.
We have had insults, threats and all sorts just because we said no.
Usually starts with the decline and get them asking for an explanation as they are adamant they are what we want!!!... we refuse to respond to be met with some of the most vile remarks and even threats to 'out' us etc."
Oh, that’s shocking. We hear about some of the experiences others have had and know we have had it ‘easy’ so far. You guys have a great profile as well. Sorry about that x |
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over a year ago
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"We haven’t had any aggression, a few very pushy people though. One guy springs to mind after we had only joined a matter of hours, quite insistent that we should do a video call with him so he can verify us as no one would believe we are a real account if we don’t.
I’m sure it’s a numbers game for him and some will fall for it. If we speak with any newbies now we do try to warm them in advance.
You are lucky.
We have had insults, threats and all sorts just because we said no.
Usually starts with the decline and get them asking for an explanation as they are adamant they are what we want!!!... we refuse to respond to be met with some of the most vile remarks and even threats to 'out' us etc.
Oh, that’s shocking. We hear about some of the experiences others have had and know we have had it ‘easy’ so far. You guys have a great profile as well. Sorry about that x"
Your's too!
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"Hey guys,
So my partner decided to dabble with FAB as a couple, more a cuckold situation really - her doing meets alone, filming for my pleasure later on, or sometimes a guy coming to us and then two sharing a room while I just listen from another room ect…
Anyway, she gets chatting to a bloke on here, seems normal and decent enough to begin with, then when she couldn’t meet at the drop of a hat he starts getting really nasty and aggressive the absolute weirdo! Proper put her off now!
Anyone had similar experiences?"
Yeah, i had a similar experience, but i never get nasty or aggressive  |
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By *hrimper36Couple
over a year ago
Central France dept 36 |
99% of men come across as not interested in the long game on here but then chucking one’s muck up any hole is most men’s idea of swinging.
Personally I’ve been in the lifestyle for over 35 years and I’ve used fab with partners for many many years but this account with Eve actually got me down and made me feel like pulling the plug and that’s just in three weeks.
Honestly hundreds and hundreds of messages and only one well thought out and written one.
It’s embarrassing.
99% of men really don’t deserve a reply even though I reply to all but Christ eating a coconut they don’t deserve a reply.
Apologize to your partner for me op and tell her I feel here pain.
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By *hrimper36Couple
over a year ago
Central France dept 36 |
For balance couples can be complete weirdos on here also.
Just had a c+p message from a so-called couple who clearly didn’t read our profile but then my gut feeling leans towards it being a lonely old picture hunter bless them.
T |
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By *romleyM41Man
over a year ago
orpington / surrounding |
I’m relatively new here but definitely get the vibe that there are a few who seem to spoil it for the masses. Makes you wonder how they handle rejection, or things cropping up in their real life if they can’t be civil and decent to people on here. Hope your partner is ok and can look past the fool, and that you both manage to find a decent guy to talk to and go from there. |
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over a year ago
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Before I put up the first paragraph in my profile I was getting a lot of messages from single men. I ALWAYS took time to reply politely and in the negative. Some didn’t reply to me after that and some did; those that did were polite and reasonable.
Like a lot of men on here I have sent out a few well thought out messages to those profiles where I feel I can connect and I’ve not received a reply at all…just watched my message deleted. I realise this is common and so I’ve stopped sending messages now. I will wait for them to come my way. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hey guys,
So my partner decided to dabble with FAB as a couple, more a cuckold situation really - her doing meets alone, filming for my pleasure later on, or sometimes a guy coming to us and then two sharing a room while I just listen from another room ect…
Anyway, she gets chatting to a bloke on here, seems normal and decent enough to begin with, then when she couldn’t meet at the drop of a hat he starts getting really nasty and aggressive the absolute weirdo! Proper put her off now!
Anyone had similar experiences?"
Yep I’ve had this. I met someone whilst I was away in another city. It was great and we agreed to meet again.
But from that point onwards any time I posted a meet, this person would message saying they’ll come and meet me - even though they were hundreds of miles away. They’d suggest that they drive all the way to wherever I was. Then they’d get quite arsey if I said no I don’t feel comfortable with that.
It went on for weeks until it finally stopped. Some people get too attached too quickly, or take offence to the idea that you won’t drop everything especially for them. |
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"For balance couples can be complete weirdos on here also.
Just had a c+p message from a so-called couple who clearly didn’t read our profile but then my gut feeling leans towards it being a lonely old picture hunter bless them.
T"
That's the thing. So many female/couples profiles are actually single men. Pretty sad really. Their lives must be lacking greatly.
As for the upfront weirdo's I had one last night. All his profile pics taken off the Internet. The abuse I received when I pulled him on this was unbelievable. Just block, report and move on. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Too often, and this is why many choose to not reply when they're not interested, because they don't want to encourage this kind of behaviour.
It really is a vicious circle. |
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By *romleyM41Man
over a year ago
orpington / surrounding |
Funnily enough was just having a conversation with someone in a dm (another guy) and was saying that judging by the way some guys seem to behave I’m amazed that any women would ever meet a guy from here without a chaperone, it doesn’t bode well for the guys who are genuine, and “decent” but just have to hope that by having a nice chat with someone will show that not everyone is a complete dickhead. Shame those few can’t have their messages forward to an admin and be politely asked to foxtrot Oscar and never come back |
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"All the time.
It one of reasons the biggest block list on here is single men.
They can't handle rejection. They take it as an insult. Because their over confident they are the best.
And that's coming from a single male.
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Happens a lot that. Often the reason I don't get back to single males isn't even personal. When single male messages are on the messages just get absolutely buried |
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"Yeah we blocked him as soon as he turned weirdly nasty! Just proper pissed me off, and quite scary for her tbh."
We had this and then had several messages in the following weeks from his other profiles.
Be wary of new messages for a bit.
Diego found him eventually at a local club that he’d rather stupidly said he likes to visit on one of his many profiles.
He’s UNLOS now.
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By (user no longer on site)
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There are loads of weirdo's here!
If you are fussy and take care regarding any meet, then you should be able to sift them out very easily.
We always insist on at least one strictly social meet, sometimes more before it progresses and that is generally enough to filter all the weirdo's and freaks that lurk on here!
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By *elboy1957Man
over a year ago
Weston-super-Mare |
"There are loads of weirdo's here!
If you are fussy and take care regarding any meet, then you should be able to sift them out very easily.
We always insist on at least one strictly social meet, sometimes more before it progresses and that is generally enough to filter all the weirdo's and freaks that lurk on here!
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Yes build up a friendship and a relationship outside the bedroom |
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"Hey guys,
So my partner decided to dabble with FAB as a couple, more a cuckold situation really - her doing meets alone, filming for my pleasure later on, or sometimes a guy coming to us and then two sharing a room while I just listen from another room ect…
Anyway, she gets chatting to a bloke on here, seems normal and decent enough to begin with, then when she couldn’t meet at the drop of a hat he starts getting really nasty and aggressive the absolute weirdo! Proper put her off now!
Anyone had similar experiences?"
Yeah I had 2 of them in 3 days...
One calling me a liar and couldn't be that busy as I was a stay at home mum..
And another told me basically I was a crap mum because I wouldn't spend my children's money to get to his place of work (building site though) and have sex with him there...
Told him what I thought of him then blocked them both... sometimes it's a joke what they think they can get away with x
Hope your partner is OK x |
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We had the same. Guy was pushy as hell about meeting that evening. When i said we can't due to children he said "don't want to really shag you anyway" funny he was the one pushing to meet though  . We now blocked men and only look for ladies and cpls. Chin up lovely you are not alone getting abuse by the abusing twats on here.
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By *elboy1957Man
over a year ago
Weston-super-Mare |
"We had the same. Guy was pushy as hell about meeting that evening. When i said we can't due to children he said "don't want to really shag you anyway" funny he was the one pushing to meet though . We now blocked men and only look for ladies and cpls. Chin up lovely you are not alone getting abuse by the abusing twats on here.
Mrs"
Dam why to guys spoil it for rest of us |
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"We had the same. Guy was pushy as hell about meeting that evening. When i said we can't due to children he said "don't want to really shag you anyway" funny he was the one pushing to meet though . We now blocked men and only look for ladies and cpls. Chin up lovely you are not alone getting abuse by the abusing twats on here.
MrsDam why to guys spoil it for rest of us "
If you could see the amount of abuse ladies of cpls or single ladies get on a weekly bases you would understand why some leave fab unfortunately it the minority who fuck it up for the good ones on here. That said we had a few cpls abuse us for turning down a meet due to them being far to pushy so its not just guys who abuse people on here. Not had a lady abuse us yet. Well some abuse is welcomed 
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By *apnDomMan
over a year ago
London | Belfast |
"Hey guys,
So my partner decided to dabble with FAB as a couple, more a cuckold situation really - her doing meets alone, filming for my pleasure later on, or sometimes a guy coming to us and then two sharing a room while I just listen from another room ect…
Anyway, she gets chatting to a bloke on here, seems normal and decent enough to begin with, then when she couldn’t meet at the drop of a hat he starts getting really nasty and aggressive the absolute weirdo! Proper put her off now!
Anyone had similar experiences?
Absolutely, as usual a couple wanted to see our face pics but we persuaded them to send theirs first as something seemed a little off. They were not for us and we politely told them so. Still they demanded to see our face pics and became quite rude so we had to block them. You'd think that would be the end of it but no !. They created another profile and stated to attack us from there !. Luckily blocking that one too put a stop to them "
To be fair, they exposed themselves to you, and you just kept to yourself. I find that a little rude, even if you're not interested. But I understand that you only proceed with people you're interested in. |
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By *apnDomMan
over a year ago
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People here are terrible sometimes. Couples can be nasty, girls can be nasty. Men don't think they're the bst and get frustrated at rejection, guess it's just men who CONSTANTLY get rejected and ignored. No reason why, just categorically.
And half of the profiles on fabs are just list of demands, too, there is not a nice word to be exchanged unless there is mutual interest.
People seem to forget, that you can be nice to people, that you are not interested in. Sure, doesn't excuse flipping out, but it builds up over time. No one is like that here on their first day, I think |
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"Anyone had similar experiences?"
There is definitely an insta-shag attitude from certain couples, men, and women. Women and couples especially are not shy about pulling a 'shag us now for a limited time only' offer. |
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By *apnDomMan
over a year ago
London | Belfast |
"Anyone had similar experiences?
There is definitely an insta-shag attitude from certain couples, men, and women. Women and couples especially are not shy about pulling a 'shag us now for a limited time only' offer. "
Just this week I had a couple write me "YOu free now?" and I said "Busy until 5, but free then" and never heard again.
Looked at their profile and found the infamous line "We don't do same day meets. We have kids and lives which come first"
But yeah, it can be nasty on here. Just don't argue, block right away. If someone isn't your type - block.
After a while it's easier. I used to have a couples profile with someone, and that's how I handled it. First month was busy, second month was calm with few strays only. |
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"Anyone had similar experiences?
There is definitely an insta-shag attitude from certain couples, men, and women. Women and couples especially are not shy about pulling a 'shag us now for a limited time only' offer.
Just this week I had a couple write me "YOu free now?" and I said "Busy until 5, but free then" and never heard again.
Looked at their profile and found the infamous line "We don't do same day meets. We have kids and lives which come first"
But yeah, it can be nasty on here. Just don't argue, block right away. If someone isn't your type - block.
After a while it's easier. I used to have a couples profile with someone, and that's how I handled it. First month was busy, second month was calm with few strays only."
Wish it did calm after a month! Haha |
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By *apnDomMan
over a year ago
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"Anyone had similar experiences?
There is definitely an insta-shag attitude from certain couples, men, and women. Women and couples especially are not shy about pulling a 'shag us now for a limited time only' offer.
Just this week I had a couple write me "YOu free now?" and I said "Busy until 5, but free then" and never heard again.
Looked at their profile and found the infamous line "We don't do same day meets. We have kids and lives which come first"
But yeah, it can be nasty on here. Just don't argue, block right away. If someone isn't your type - block.
After a while it's easier. I used to have a couples profile with someone, and that's how I handled it. First month was busy, second month was calm with few strays only.
Wish it did calm after a month! Haha"
People always say that, but we never had many issues with the profile. When we're online, like 50 messages an hour, otherwise accumulated to maybe 30 a day or so. And 80% of them were chucked away right away, the rest were opened, read, evaluated, answered (because it's rude to leave someone on read even if not interested), and who doesn't fit, get's also chucked.
And by chucked I mean blocked.
After a month most of the local people were blocked anyway. Only leaving people we were interested in, people who aren't online that often and are on the virtual prowl for anything that's near, and new people.
Simple maintenance. If you block uninteresting profiles as soon as you seem them, it gets a lot less. |
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The trick is to not allow another person's insecurities to rattle us.
We received a nasty, first message, for no reason at all.
I didn't let it bother me, I read it out to Mrs A, she replied ....
. Fine.
Then I reported it.
Their troubles are their own to deal with, lashing out at others for no reason is gawd damn weak and pathetic.
It's a reflection on them, don't let them ruin a second of your day with their ridiculous outbursts. |
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"Hey guys,
So my partner decided to dabble with FAB as a couple, more a cuckold situation really - her doing meets alone, filming for my pleasure later on, or sometimes a guy coming to us and then two sharing a room while I just listen from another room ect…
Anyway, she gets chatting to a bloke on here, seems normal and decent enough to begin with, then when she couldn’t meet at the drop of a hat he starts getting really nasty and aggressive the absolute weirdo! Proper put her off now!
Anyone had similar experiences?"
Sorry to say but it is the SOP.
Standard operating procedure for a multitude of men on FAB. I'm sure couples and women do it too but as there are about 1000 men to 300 women ( in London) it's more a male occurrence.
Shrug it off, block, write on private botes dick head and move on. There are plenty more men to choose from or you can become club regulars. |
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"I haven't had a single unpleasant message from anyone in all the time I've been here. Everyone's been really nice."
It's because you're a man. Trust me, if you declare yourself as a woman or maybe couple, it's different ball game. |
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"Hey guys,
So my partner decided to dabble with FAB as a couple, more a cuckold situation really - her doing meets alone, filming for my pleasure later on, or sometimes a guy coming to us and then two sharing a room while I just listen from another room ect…
Anyway, she gets chatting to a bloke on here, seems normal and decent enough to begin with, then when she couldn’t meet at the drop of a hat he starts getting really nasty and aggressive the absolute weirdo! Proper put her off now!
Anyone had similar experiences?
Sorry to say but it is the SOP.
Standard operating procedure for a multitude of men on FAB. I'm sure couples and women do it too but as there are about 1000 men to 300 women ( in London) it's more a male occurrence.
Shrug it off, block, write on private botes dick head and move on. There are plenty more men to choose from or you can become club regulars."
I found men in clubs to be worst as it's in your face sleaze lol so I didn't bother going back. Just want someone normal tbh talk to me like a fellow human being rather than a toy |
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By *apnDomMan
over a year ago
London | Belfast |
"I haven't had a single unpleasant message from anyone in all the time I've been here. Everyone's been really nice.
It's because you're a man. Trust me, if you declare yourself as a woman or maybe couple, it's different ball game."
No, just lucky. Couple especially can be really fucking nasty to you, too.
Single women, too, sometimes. But yes, it's mostly men, because of the sheer amount present. Just a numbers game, but if you'd scale up and down, I'd say it would be about the same in all camps.
Think the only ones that are always nice are the homosexual men and TS. Never had any quarrels with them (altho then again, I am not interested and very rarely talk to them). But if you say "sorry, not interested" I have never received a salty response. |
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"Hey guys,
So my partner decided to dabble with FAB as a couple, more a cuckold situation really - her doing meets alone, filming for my pleasure later on, or sometimes a guy coming to us and then two sharing a room while I just listen from another room ect…
Anyway, she gets chatting to a bloke on here, seems normal and decent enough to begin with, then when she couldn’t meet at the drop of a hat he starts getting really nasty and aggressive the absolute weirdo! Proper put her off now!
Anyone had similar experiences?
Sorry to say but it is the SOP.
Standard operating procedure for a multitude of men on FAB. I'm sure couples and women do it too but as there are about 1000 men to 300 women ( in London) it's more a male occurrence.
Shrug it off, block, write on private botes dick head and move on. There are plenty more men to choose from or you can become club regulars.
I found men in clubs to be worst as it's in your face sleaze lol so I didn't bother going back. Just want someone normal tbh talk to me like a fellow human being rather than a toy "
Or the ones that just follow you like lost puppies and never speak a word to you! |
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"I haven't had a single unpleasant message from anyone in all the time I've been here. Everyone's been really nice.
It's because you're a man. Trust me, if you declare yourself as a woman or maybe couple, it's different ball game.
No, just lucky. Couple especially can be really fucking nasty to you, too.
Single women, too, sometimes. But yes, it's mostly men, because of the sheer amount present. Just a numbers game, but if you'd scale up and down, I'd say it would be about the same in all camps.
Think the only ones that are always nice are the homosexual men and TS. Never had any quarrels with them (altho then again, I am not interested and very rarely talk to them). But if you say "sorry, not interested" I have never received a salty response."
Yeah, I think by percent of total, I've had more problems with women and couples.
But in absolute terms more problems with men, because there are so many more of them |
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Immediately blocked if they start this nonsense with me, sadly yes it does happen, HOWEVER there really are some great people to be found.. I wouldn't say block all the guys because of the bad behaviour of a percentage of them but being quick to block anyone who is throwing up red flags definitely helps. Xxx |
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"I haven't had a single unpleasant message from anyone in all the time I've been here. Everyone's been really nice.
It's because you're a man. Trust me, if you declare yourself as a woman or maybe couple, it's different ball game.
No, just lucky. Couple especially can be really fucking nasty to you, too.
Single women, too, sometimes. But yes, it's mostly men, because of the sheer amount present. Just a numbers game, but if you'd scale up and down, I'd say it would be about the same in all camps.
Think the only ones that are always nice are the homosexual men and TS. Never had any quarrels with them (altho then again, I am not interested and very rarely talk to them). But if you say "sorry, not interested" I have never received a salty response.
Yeah, I think by percent of total, I've had more problems with women and couples.
But in absolute terms more problems with men, because there are so many more of them"
I was saying this in another thread I created about single men.
Percentage wise, I think we may be surprised, whereas men are the scapegoat because of sheer volume.
However, we've only received abusive 'first messages' from men.
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"I haven't had a single unpleasant message from anyone in all the time I've been here. Everyone's been really nice.
It's because you're a man. Trust me, if you declare yourself as a woman or maybe couple, it's different ball game.
No, just lucky. Couple especially can be really fucking nasty to you, too.
Single women, too, sometimes. But yes, it's mostly men, because of the sheer amount present. Just a numbers game, but if you'd scale up and down, I'd say it would be about the same in all camps.
Think the only ones that are always nice are the homosexual men and TS. Never had any quarrels with them (altho then again, I am not interested and very rarely talk to them). But if you say "sorry, not interested" I have never received a salty response.
Yeah, I think by percent of total, I've had more problems with women and couples.
But in absolute terms more problems with men, because there are so many more of them
I was saying this in another thread I created about single men.
Percentage wise, I think we may be surprised, whereas men are the scapegoat because of sheer volume.
However, we've only received abusive 'first messages' from men.
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I haven't explicitly counted it, but (when I was getting unsolicited messages) I think I got about 90% of first messages from men. I think they accounted for 70% of the abuse? Most of the first message abuse, but follow up messages, women and couples can be... interesting. More than their share.
Couples seemed to think they were doing me a favour, and women could be all over the shop.
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