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80 / 20 rule - is it reality?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I read somewhere that guys in the top 20% of attractiveness get their pick of 80% of the women.
And the other 80% of guys in the lower ranks have to settle for females in the bottom 20% of desirability.
I'm not saying this is what I believe, but if it was true then I find this a very depressing statistic based on the fact there are an even number of men and women in the world.
What do you think? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I'm not a mathematician although I'm quite capable but I find your numbers well off. "
Your profile states "Ant Middleton and Jason Mamoa lookalikes slide by my DM" which kind of supports what I'm getting at |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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On a fuck site where any holes a goal and the guys want to get their dicks wet? Yeah maybe the stats aren’t far wrong. Women definitely have the upper hand.
In the world of dating / finding a life partner? I think the balance is much more equal and, in the most part, natural selection means that on average people tend to end up on a par, barring exceptional circumstances (fame, wealth etc) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I read somewhere that guys in the top 20% of attractiveness get their pick of 80% of the women.
And the other 80% of guys in the lower ranks have to settle for females in the bottom 20% of desirability.
I'm not saying this is what I believe, but if it was true then I find this a very depressing statistic based on the fact there are an even number of men and women in the world.
What do you think?"
Statistics can give you many different answers depending on the question but in reality the way the world works rarely has a statistical answer  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Sounds made up to me,
there's just so much more to whether you're attracted to someone than looks alone,
personality for a start lol  "
That's just what the ugly people say. |
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suspect its only true on dating sites and/or for hookups. That would make sense.
In terms of actual real relationships I highly doubt it.
If it is true I've had way more than my fair share of women and I'm butt ugly.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I read somewhere that guys in the top 20% of attractiveness get their pick of 80% of the women.
And the other 80% of guys in the lower ranks have to settle for females in the bottom 20% of desirability.
I'm not saying this is what I believe, but if it was true then I find this a very depressing statistic based on the fact there are an even number of men and women in the world.
What do you think?"
Probably right, some women think all men are dicks, maybe because they are all dating the same ones? Tall dark and handsome springs to mind |
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By *ikilovesCCouple
over a year ago
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"Sounds made up to me,
there's just so much more to whether you're attracted to someone than looks alone,
personality for a start lol
That's just what the ugly people say. "
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lol,
well to be fair, you have to play the cards you're dealt don't you  |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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Wasn't this discussed on a thread not so long ago (with different percentages) and the men on the 80% ended up blaming the women for their lack of success? It seems an easy way to mitigate not getting meets |
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"I read somewhere that guys in the top 20% of attractiveness get their pick of 80% of the women.
And the other 80% of guys in the lower ranks have to settle for females in the bottom 20% of desirability.
I'm not saying this is what I believe, but if it was true then I find this a very depressing statistic based on the fact there are an even number of men and women in the world.
What do you think?"
I think it's worthy of a scientific grant and years of research to work out who physically attractive people date.... Unless its the Peter crouch effect. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Often its the case that the more well groomed,fit body, perfect clothes someone is, the more dull & boring they are once the initial visual attraction has eased.
Obviously not a scientific fact, but pretty sure ALOT of people will agree. |
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"I read somewhere that guys in the top 20% of attractiveness get their pick of 80% of the women.
And the other 80% of guys in the lower ranks have to settle for females in the bottom 20% of desirability.
I'm not saying this is what I believe, but if it was true then I find this a very depressing statistic based on the fact there are an even number of men and women in the world.
What do you think?"
Absolutely impossible. I'm well within the lower ranks myself (Mr) but my partner is nowhere near that. She's absolutely steaming hot there's no way I should be able to be with her, but hey, I am. Haha |
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"I read somewhere that guys in the top 20% of attractiveness get their pick of 80% of the women.
And the other 80% of guys in the lower ranks have to settle for females in the bottom 20% of desirability.
I'm not saying this is what I believe, but if it was true then I find this a very depressing statistic based on the fact there are an even number of men and women in the world.
What do you think?"
The stats are very true yes. More so in America though, where the number is actually much worse. These were actual studies. It is called hypergamy which means a woman will almost always date across and up never someone they deem to be below them which is 80% of men. Many studies been done with the same conclusion. Look at most profiles on here as well where women will clearly not be much to look at but still the profile will say they want 6 foot tall and good looking while if you look at a lot of men's veris, they fuck almost anything. Unfortunately that is nature and evolution making sure women het the best genetic specimen to make strong babies and the 'weaker' men are out of the equation. Same in animals |
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The better option for the application of this principle, is to acknowledge that 20% of your efforts can gain you 80% of your results.
Just focus on identifying what that 20% of your effort is, then stick to doing that. After, identify the next 80/20 split and repeat the process
At least you'll be optimising your effectiveness and results, |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Not on fab. It’s a different world on here, 2s bekiff errr be they’re 6s and 5s think they’re 10s. Fab is very strange but I suppose it’s only attracts a small demographic. I’ve never seen above a 7 on here and they act like they’re gods fucking gift to mankind |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Your 1st part is correct but the other way around, 100% of women are attracted to 20% of men, the rest don't get a look in, thats the rule, but with exception, this changes over time |
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What about the fab straight ones... And the fake ones? It feels like we are on our way to an algorithm to solve one of life's great mysteries.
Dont also forget the alcohol coefficient which after 3 jaegerbombs makes everyone approx 20 % more attractive. |
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"Wasn’t that ratio or stat generated from dating sites? If so, it probably applies in that ‘eco system’. Real world? Who knows? Fab? More like ….?"
You're absolutely right - OKCUpid the dating app back when it was new (over a decade ago now) gathered usage data to run statistics and wrote articles which they published on their blog...
Certain men seem to latch on to this statistic, my boyfriend is one of them, he keeps reiterating this and winds me up. He says I'm an outlier that I would consider anyone and everyone, but I don't think that's true. Some people will go for only the best looks or highest social status they can attain in a partner, but not everyone is motivated by these things. And I'm with @DanBerks, when it comes to LTRs in real life, people couple like with like. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It's called the Pareto Principle and this stat for dating apps came from a guy who polled 27 male Tinder users.
OkCupid did a study where they asked men and women to rate profiles from the other sex by attractiveness.
Men seemed to rate women on a bell curve and the average was 2.5, women were less likely to rate men 5 and most were rated 1 & 2.
They then compared that against who they sent messages to and found that "Women messaged more average-looking men and were less likely to message the most attractive men", where as the opposite was true for men, they sent the most messages to the women they had rated most attractive.
This data was backed up by a study from Oxford Uni which analysed 150,000 male profiles.
https://www.oii.ox.ac.uk/news-events/news/new-study-reveals-changing-trends-in-online-dating/
"Good looks are less important to women – men who score between 5-9 on ‘attractiveness’ actually receive more messages than men who score 10/10"
This 80/20 myth has floated around for years and I've never seen anyone show me data to back it up, but willing to read any if anyone can share.
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I’ve honestly never heard such rubbish..
I’m no oil painting, and yet I suppose I’m reasonably successful on here ..
It’s about communicating, making connections..
Not all about attractiveness…
Guys hide behind these statistics to say that’s why you’re not getting meets ..
Simple fact is, don’t act desperate, or be in a rush and make friends.. |
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"It's called the Pareto Principle and this stat for dating apps came from a guy who polled 27 male Tinder users.
OkCupid did a study where they asked men and women to rate profiles from the other sex by attractiveness.
Men seemed to rate women on a bell curve and the average was 2.5, women were less likely to rate men 5 and most were rated 1 & 2.
They then compared that against who they sent messages to and found that "Women messaged more average-looking men and were less likely to message the most attractive men", where as the opposite was true for men, they sent the most messages to the women they had rated most attractive.
This data was backed up by a study from Oxford Uni which analysed 150,000 male profiles.
https://www.oii.ox.ac.uk/news-events/news/new-study-reveals-changing-trends-in-online-dating/
"Good looks are less important to women – men who score between 5-9 on ‘attractiveness’ actually receive more messages than men who score 10/10"
This 80/20 myth has floated around for years and I've never seen anyone show me data to back it up, but willing to read any if anyone can share.
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Good looks are less important to women?! Hmmm... |
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Instead of worrying about attractiveness, people should be putting more effort into their profile and message content.
Personality and Being able to hold a conversation is more of a deciding factor then the pictures for us |
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Assuming everyone is equal in all respects except physical attraction, then it's possible that might be true. Unfortunately people are a little more complex than a simple statistic, throw simply being a smoker or not into the mix, and the whole thing would fall apart 
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""Women messaged more average-looking men and were less likely to message the most attractive men"
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1. Thank you so much for actually quoting interesting and relevant research - I've learned something.
2. Unfortunately, that thing seems to be that I shouldn't be flattered that I get some lovely messages from women here: if they REALLY found me attractive, they wouldn't bother!
Hmmm. Science seems to specialise in bruising the male ego. |
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"I'm not a mathematician although I'm quite capable but I find your numbers well off.
Your profile states "Ant Middleton and Jason Mamoa lookalikes slide by my DM" which kind of supports what I'm getting at"
She like a handsome guy. Tats and beard. That's her perogative playing with non monogamy and she's a definite hotly so why can't she get what she wants.
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""Women messaged more average-looking men and were less likely to message the most attractive men"
1. Thank you so much for actually quoting interesting and relevant research - I've learned something.
2. Unfortunately, that thing seems to be that I shouldn't be flattered that I get some lovely messages from women here: if they REALLY found me attractive, they wouldn't bother!
Hmmm. Science seems to specialise in bruising the male ego. "
You make a good point. I can assume my empty mailbox is due to my Hollywood looks and not my great face for radio |
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By (user no longer on site)
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""Women messaged more average-looking men and were less likely to message the most attractive men"
1. Thank you so much for actually quoting interesting and relevant research - I've learned something.
2. Unfortunately, that thing seems to be that I shouldn't be flattered that I get some lovely messages from women here: if they REALLY found me attractive, they wouldn't bother!
Hmmm. Science seems to specialise in bruising the male ego. "
Well, it did say men from 5-9, so maybe they put you in the 9 category
Can only speak from my own experience but I look at the profile as a whole when I was active on Tinder, not just how he looks in his photos. I've even swiped right on people cause of their Spotify feed they have shared.
I found the guys who would class themselves as a 10 have really boring, no info, no effort profiles. I want to see that there is more substance to someone than just how their face looks. |
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By *igGs19Woman
over a year ago
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Good looks are less important to women?! Hmmm... "
Give me an average Joe who can string a sentence together, with words of more than one syllable, over a Hollywood star lookalike who's first message is "fun?" and a pick of his crusty cock. Looks / pics are the last thing I look at on any profile, on any dating or swinging forum. |
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Good looks are less important to women?! Hmmm...
Give me an average Joe who can string a sentence together, with words of more than one syllable, over a Hollywood star lookalike who's first message is "fun?" and a pick of his crusty cock. Looks / pics are the last thing I look at on any profile, on any dating or swinging forum."
Cat... Sat.
On... Mat... |
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Good looks are less important to women?! Hmmm...
Give me an average Joe who can string a sentence together, with words of more than one syllable, over a Hollywood star lookalike who's first message is "fun?" and a pick of his crusty cock. Looks / pics are the last thing I look at on any profile, on any dating or swinging forum."
Ah excellent! As the obvious ‘average Joe’ here in the room, I shall send you my CV in the morning - crammed, if not encrusted, with multiple, mountainous megatonnes of polysyllabic verbiage! |
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By *igGs19Woman
over a year ago
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Good looks are less important to women?! Hmmm...
Give me an average Joe who can string a sentence together, with words of more than one syllable, over a Hollywood star lookalike who's first message is "fun?" and a pick of his crusty cock. Looks / pics are the last thing I look at on any profile, on any dating or swinging forum.
Ah excellent! As the obvious ‘average Joe’ here in the room, I shall send you my CV in the morning - crammed, if not encrusted, with multiple, mountainous megatonnes of polysyllabic verbiage! "
I wait with bated breath... |
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Well, it did say men from 5-9, so maybe they put you in the 9 category
Can only speak from my own experience but I look at the profile as a whole when I was active on Tinder, not just how he looks in his photos. I've even swiped right on people cause of their Spotify feed they have shared.
I found the guys who would class themselves as a 10 have really boring, no info, no effort profiles. I want to see that there is more substance to someone than just how their face looks. "
Thank you! I shall be forever in debt to your priceless advice. |
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There's alot of nob heads/ bullys on here yeah might be a stupid statement but no need to start calling him ugly and stuff like that sure some of the men on here jump on these threads and start taking the piss out of people thinking they look funny to all the girls on here when really they just come across as bell ends leave the lad alone if you don't have out nice to say don't say anything |
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"There's alot of nob heads/ bullys on here yeah might be a stupid statement but no need to start calling him ugly and stuff like that sure some of the men on here jump on these threads and start taking the piss out of people thinking they look funny to all the girls on here when really they just come across as bell ends leave the lad alone if you don't have out nice to say don't say anything"
I think you might be on the wrong thread. |
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