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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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So I had an interesting meet. I don’t normally meet in a car but did as we got on and it was the only option as I was away from home staying with family. We had our fun. Dressed. It was a quiet private spot, not dogging or anything. No other cars could even park nearby. We’re sat in the front a good 5-10 minutes chatting , perfectly respectable and then blue lights appeared, police car. Asked what we’re doing and at that point nothing. I appreciate had it been 15 minutes earlier that may have been different. They took our full names dates of births , car reg and addresses. That was awkward enough when we hadn’t discussed those details to each other. We’d had a social earlier but I didn’t give him any of that info. Can they do that and what for? No caution or anything. Anyone else been caught or a near miss with the police? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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That was a close escape . I enjoy car fun sometimes and have been lucky enough so far not to get caught . Fingers crossed my luck continues ha .
And i have no idea about the rules on what they can and cant do but it seems these days people in power make their own rules up and do what the fuck they want  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They would have told you why they were taking your details
They didn’t they just said “ok thank you and goodnight” "
If that had been us, they wouldn't have had any details unless they told me why they wanted them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It might be different here in Northern Ireland but myself and a lady were caught pretty much the same way as your self. Just after we had finished and gotten dressed they appeared and quizzed us. Police here are aloud to ask you your name, date of birth, we’re you live and what you were doing.
They were pretty chilled out once they realised we wernt dealing drugs or stashing guns in the forest lol they explained that the area was knowen for just the likes of drug dealing and weapon stashing. Let us go and told us to be careful
Thinking back now they 100% knew what we were up to lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Contact the duty inspector give them details (tine, location etc) and request an explanation why it happened. You are free to travel and associate on this country. Unless you have grounds for suspicion (which would’ve been explained to you).
2 police officers have just cut their careers short. |
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"So I had an interesting meet. I don’t normally meet in a car but did as we got on and it was the only option as I was away from home staying with family. We had our fun. Dressed. It was a quiet private spot, not dogging or anything. No other cars could even park nearby. We’re sat in the front a good 5-10 minutes chatting , perfectly respectable and then blue lights appeared, police car. Asked what we’re doing and at that point nothing. I appreciate had it been 15 minutes earlier that may have been different. They took our full names dates of births , car reg and addresses. That was awkward enough when we hadn’t discussed those details to each other. We’d had a social earlier but I didn’t give him any of that info. Can they do that and what for? No caution or anything. Anyone else been caught or a near miss with the police?"
I allways thought they had to tell you why they wanted your details.I'm sure there's a polce officer on here who can confirm.
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Having sex outdoors or in your car is not illegal and typically the police will do nothing as long as you are being relatively discreet about it. The main thing that the police look for is whether your antics are easily visible by joe public and particularly children. So if you are in a car in a remote lane or car park late at night it is generally considered that you are not likely to be causing a public decency offence. They may check details and move you on but they can’t do much more, if you are going to play outdoors it is worth googling what the law says about it so you know your rights in case you encounter an over zealous officer. |
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By *tooveMan
over a year ago
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"Contact the duty inspector give them details (tine, location etc) and request an explanation why it happened. You are free to travel and associate on this country. Unless you have grounds for suspicion (which would’ve been explained to you).
2 police officers have just cut their careers short. "
For fuck sake. |
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"So I had an interesting meet. I don’t normally meet in a car but did as we got on and it was the only option as I was away from home staying with family. We had our fun. Dressed. It was a quiet private spot, not dogging or anything. No other cars could even park nearby. We’re sat in the front a good 5-10 minutes chatting , perfectly respectable and then blue lights appeared, police car. Asked what we’re doing and at that point nothing. I appreciate had it been 15 minutes earlier that may have been different. They took our full names dates of births , car reg and addresses. That was awkward enough when we hadn’t discussed those details to each other. We’d had a social earlier but I didn’t give him any of that info. Can they do that and what for? No caution or anything. Anyone else been caught or a near miss with the police?I allways thought they had to tell you why they wanted your details.I'm sure there's a polce officer on here who can confirm."
Just go odlged. You don't have to unless an officer points out an offence you have committed or suspected of committing. |
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"That was a close escape . I enjoy car fun sometimes and have been lucky enough so far not to get caught . Fingers crossed my luck continues ha .
And i have no idea about the rules on what they can and cant do but it seems these days people in power make their own rules up and do what the fuck they want "
Sex in a car in a public space? I think there have always been laws on lewd conduct. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If you hadn’t been seen earlier doing anything lewd, or been reported or anything, and weren’t doing anything when they approached you, then they had no legal right to take down your names or details without giving a reason such as checking registration of the vehicle/insurance etc. you have every right to make a complaint |
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"Contact the duty inspector give them details (tine, location etc) and request an explanation why it happened. You are free to travel and associate on this country. Unless you have grounds for suspicion (which would’ve been explained to you).
2 police officers have just cut their careers short. "
We can but hope  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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2 police officers have just cut their careers short.
We can but hope
You happy with even less police then?"
I wonder who will shout the loudest when they’re needed  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I won’t be reporting anyone. Just have never been in that situation before. I’m hardly going to make a big deal as I don’t want any attention from it as a follow up. Just curious |
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Appreciate it is a different area of the country but the Met police guidelines are quite clear: https://www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/st-s/stop-and-search/stop-and-search-process/
“The police officer will ask for your:
name and address
date of birth
self-defined ethnicity
You don't have to give this information if you don't want to; unless the police officer says they're reporting you for an offence.“
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By (user no longer on site)
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I see a lot of people saying the police have no grounds to ask questions but there’s a lot of factors here, I asked a friend who is a serving police officer here in Northern Ireland (could be different for England, Scotland, wales). But he said police can ask your details if they suspect something is out of place in the area or if the area is knowen for crime taking place. Here in Northern Ireland it’s common enough to be stoped and randomly searched under the Justice and Security (NI) Act 2007 |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Perhaps they were checking the car wasn't reported as stolen, or the people in it weren't wanted or missing persons...hence a simple PNC check for which details are required |
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"I see a lot of people saying the police have no grounds to ask questions but there’s a lot of factors here, I asked a friend who is a serving police officer here in Northern Ireland (could be different for England, Scotland, wales). But he said police can ask your details if they suspect something is out of place in the area or if the area is knowen for crime taking place. Here in Northern Ireland it’s common enough to be stoped and randomly searched under the Justice and Security (NI) Act 2007 "
The police _CAN_ ask for your details. Just as they _CAN_ ask you for a drink if they want. Whether you have to give it to them is a different question.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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My point/question wasn't whether they can or can't ask you for details but more to the OP in what reason they gave her for needing/taking them. They won't have just demanded details without giving a reason. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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2 police officers have just cut their careers short.
We can but hope
You happy with even less police then?
I wonder who will shout the loudest when they’re needed "
It should fall on deaf ears to those crying about police harassment. If they thought you were dealing drugs to the local dealers would you have the same opinion? Surely you only hate them if you are 12, from a crap background and doing something wrong .
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Contact the duty inspector give them details (tine, location etc) and request an explanation why it happened. You are free to travel and associate on this country. Unless you have grounds for suspicion (which would’ve been explained to you).
2 police officers have just cut their careers short. "
No not really |
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By *iger4uWoman
over a year ago
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"Contact the duty inspector give them details (tine, location etc) and request an explanation why it happened. You are free to travel and associate on this country. Unless you have grounds for suspicion (which would’ve been explained to you).
2 police officers have just cut their careers short.
We can but hope "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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You don’t legally have to give any details unless you’re under arrest or being fined.
I was stopped with a friend and I asked if I had to give details and they said no. |
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By *ed1boxMan
over a year ago
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From the police perspective. Hypothetically had they seen your car parked in a isolated place with two occupants and ignored it. And subsequently someone was found murdered later, there would be obvious repercussions why details weren't previously taken. They are of course allowed to verify your identity, of course you can refuse but this was raise suspicion that you are hiding something. tbh its just pocket book notes to cover their ass. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So I had an interesting meet. I don’t normally meet in a car but did as we got on and it was the only option as I was away from home staying with family. We had our fun. Dressed. It was a quiet private spot, not dogging or anything. No other cars could even park nearby. We’re sat in the front a good 5-10 minutes chatting , perfectly respectable and then blue lights appeared, police car. Asked what we’re doing and at that point nothing. I appreciate had it been 15 minutes earlier that may have been different. They took our full names dates of births , car reg and addresses. That was awkward enough when we hadn’t discussed those details to each other. We’d had a social earlier but I didn’t give him any of that info. Can they do that and what for? No caution or anything. Anyone else been caught or a near miss with the police?"
A couple of years ago much the same happened to me and a girl in my car too. I only had just met her about an hour or so before. It was totally embarrassing for both of us as we didn't know each others name's too. The police took both our names.they never cautioned us either but i always wondered if they would send a letter to my house lol. Good thread looking forward to seeing more people's comments xx  |
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By *entDomMan
over a year ago
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They were doing their job in checking out the car. What if,for example you were bring or had been sexually assaulted?
The offence could have been 'outraging public decency' but as nobody saw you that is not relevant, ie who was outraged.
They had no power to demand your details. But then they could have waited until you drove onto the road and then the driver would have been obliged to give details.
In the end its easier to give your details and for them to leave you in peace I suppose |
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It happened to me once and a woman I was seeing. We were having quite a bit of a kissing session in a car at a public car park in the afternoon, so much so we had steamed up the windows.
Police officer knocked on the window and unknowingly to us a crowd had gathered. We were both still fully dressed and a bit flushed but nothing too graphic had occurred, so they just asked us to move on. Due to the onlookers we decided it would be the best thing to do as well.
No details requested or further issues, we just did as I heard someone say and ‘found a room’  |
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By *tooveMan
over a year ago
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2 police officers have just cut their careers short.
We can but hope
You happy with even less police then?
I wonder who will shout the loudest when they’re needed
It should fall on deaf ears to those crying about police harassment. If they thought you were dealing drugs to the local dealers would you have the same opinion? Surely you only hate them if you are 12, from a crap background and doing something wrong .
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Condescending or what. Fucking snobs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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2 police officers have just cut their careers short.
We can but hope
You happy with even less police then?
I wonder who will shout the loudest when they’re needed
It should fall on deaf ears to those crying about police harassment. If they thought you were dealing drugs to the local dealers would you have the same opinion? Surely you only hate them if you are 12, from a crap background and doing something wrong .
Condescending or what. Fucking snobs. "
Snobs ?
Just truth
If you have something to hide then it seems the hate the police childish option works for you.
Surely it’s the police bring good and the scumbags doing bad ?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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2 police officers have just cut their careers short.
We can but hope
You happy with even less police then?
I wonder who will shout the loudest when they’re needed
It should fall on deaf ears to those crying about police harassment. If they thought you were dealing drugs to the local dealers would you have the same opinion? Surely you only hate them if you are 12, from a crap background and doing something wrong .
Condescending or what. Fucking snobs.
Snobs ?
Just truth
If you have something to hide then it seems the hate the police childish option works for you.
Surely it’s the police bring good and the scumbags doing bad ?
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You might be shocked if you look up some of the things the Met has been doing in recent years... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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2 police officers have just cut their careers short.
We can but hope
You happy with even less police then?
I wonder who will shout the loudest when they’re needed
It should fall on deaf ears to those crying about police harassment. If they thought you were dealing drugs to the local dealers would you have the same opinion? Surely you only hate them if you are 12, from a crap background and doing something wrong .
Condescending or what. Fucking snobs.
Snobs ?
Just truth
If you have something to hide then it seems the hate the police childish option works for you.
Surely it’s the police bring good and the scumbags doing bad ?
You might be shocked if you look up some of the things the Met has been doing in recent years..."
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My point was 99% are to help and you always get get the 1% of bad in any walk of life |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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2 police officers have just cut their careers short.
We can but hope
You happy with even less police then?
I wonder who will shout the loudest when they’re needed
It should fall on deaf ears to those crying about police harassment. If they thought you were dealing drugs to the local dealers would you have the same opinion? Surely you only hate them if you are 12, from a crap background and doing something wrong .
Condescending or what. Fucking snobs.
Snobs ?
Just truth
If you have something to hide then it seems the hate the police childish option works for you.
Surely it’s the police bring good and the scumbags doing bad ?
You might be shocked if you look up some of the things the Met has been doing in recent years...
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My point was 99% are to help and you always get get the 1% of bad in any walk of life "
The it's-only-a-few-bad-apples line has been wearing really thin lately with the Met. |
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2 police officers have just cut their careers short.
We can but hope
You happy with even less police then?
I wonder who will shout the loudest when they’re needed
It should fall on deaf ears to those crying about police harassment. If they thought you were dealing drugs to the local dealers would you have the same opinion? Surely you only hate them if you are 12, from a crap background and doing something wrong .
Condescending or what. Fucking snobs.
Snobs ?
Just truth
If you have something to hide then it seems the hate the police childish option works for you.
Surely it’s the police bring good and the scumbags doing bad ?
You might be shocked if you look up some of the things the Met has been doing in recent years...
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My point was 99% are to help and you always get get the 1% of bad in any walk of life "
You can’t say anything on here can you! I agree It’s obvious that the majority of police are serving to help! |
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If they do not detain you and give you a good reason why, you do not have to give them any details at all. That is the Law. If they can not tell you the 'crime' you have committed then you do not need to give them anything at all. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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2 police officers have just cut their careers short.
We can but hope
You happy with even less police then?
I wonder who will shout the loudest when they’re needed
It should fall on deaf ears to those crying about police harassment. If they thought you were dealing drugs to the local dealers would you have the same opinion? Surely you only hate them if you are 12, from a crap background and doing something wrong .
Condescending or what. Fucking snobs.
Snobs ?
Just truth
If you have something to hide then it seems the hate the police childish option works for you.
Surely it’s the police bring good and the scumbags doing bad ?
You might be shocked if you look up some of the things the Met has been doing in recent years...
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My point was 99% are to help and you always get get the 1% of bad in any walk of life
The it's-only-a-few-bad-apples line has been wearing really thin lately with the Met."
Ok I give in all of them are bad and you are correct
Living in Birmingham you will know all about the met |
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By (user no longer on site)
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2 police officers have just cut their careers short.
We can but hope
You happy with even less police then?
I wonder who will shout the loudest when they’re needed
It should fall on deaf ears to those crying about police harassment. If they thought you were dealing drugs to the local dealers would you have the same opinion? Surely you only hate them if you are 12, from a crap background and doing something wrong .
Condescending or what. Fucking snobs.
Snobs ?
Just truth
If you have something to hide then it seems the hate the police childish option works for you.
Surely it’s the police bring good and the scumbags doing bad ?
You might be shocked if you look up some of the things the Met has been doing in recent years...
I
My point was 99% are to help and you always get get the 1% of bad in any walk of life
The it's-only-a-few-bad-apples line has been wearing really thin lately with the Met.
Ok I give in all of them are bad and you are correct
Living in Birmingham you will know all about the met "
I never said they were all bad. But I don't think they're automatically good either. Especially with the damning stories that keep coming out about them. |
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"Contact the duty inspector give them details (tine, location etc) and request an explanation why it happened. You are free to travel and associate on this country. Unless you have grounds for suspicion (which would’ve been explained to you).
2 police officers have just cut their careers short. "
Do you think? Who will even bother to look into this if anyone does? Might it be their mates from the office down the hall?
Best thing for a meet is don't carry any ID & give them any name you like.
They'll never work it out because it's all about them showing off to themselves how important they are. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So do you slag off every member of the NHS because a few have been convicted of murder over the years ? "
If that's aimed at me, I didn't slag off all cops. Reread my previous comments.
However there is a real problem with the culture at the Met where they seem more interested in covering up wrongdoing than rooting it out. So it's not just the few bad apples, as they want us to believe. It's also the system that enables them. |
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"To make sure you are not a prostitute, the police would have been looking at your reactions as they asked the questions.
Why? Even if she was a prostitute that’s not an offence"
Not for her, but possibly for the bloke. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"To make sure you are not a prostitute, the police would have been looking at your reactions as they asked the questions."
How utterly obtuse. The mind beggars belief. |
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Met up with a fwb and I used to travel to her and she couldn't accommodate. So we had our fun in the car. One late winter evening pulled into this secluded country road car park. All very dark except for the odd dog walker. We had only just got there after a visit to maccy's and sat having our tea when a tap on the window. It was a policeman he asked what we were up to and we said having our tea and would he like to join us. We chatted for a few minutes and then he left no details taken. If he would have turned up another 20 mins later we would have been in the throws of passion lol and it was really steamy |
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"So I had an interesting meet. I don’t normally meet in a car but did as we got on and it was the only option as I was away from home staying with family. We had our fun. Dressed. It was a quiet private spot, not dogging or anything. No other cars could even park nearby. We’re sat in the front a good 5-10 minutes chatting , perfectly respectable and then blue lights appeared, police car. Asked what we’re doing and at that point nothing. I appreciate had it been 15 minutes earlier that may have been different. They took our full names dates of births , car reg and addresses. That was awkward enough when we hadn’t discussed those details to each other. We’d had a social earlier but I didn’t give him any of that info. Can they do that and what for? No caution or anything. Anyone else been caught or a near miss with the police?"
As far as I know, if I am in my car and I am the driver of said car I would be obligated to give my details, my passenger has no need to.
If I am waking I have no need to give any details unless I am suspected of an offence.
I can stop any policemen and ask them their name collar number and which station they are working from.
The police would have you think that they are allowed to do what they want, but they are your servant as in this country police, police by consent our consent. |
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"Contact the duty inspector give them details (tine, location etc) and request an explanation why it happened. You are free to travel and associate on this country. Unless you have grounds for suspicion (which would’ve been explained to you).
2 police officers have just cut their careers short. "
The police officers have done nothing wrong, they are entitled to ask any question they want and you are free to refuse to answer.
If they were parked up somewhere quiet and private, it is unlikely that the police just stumbled across them, it would seem most likely that "somebody" had called the police.
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As far as I know, if I am in my car and I am the driver of said car I would be obligated to give my details, my passenger has no need to.
If I am waking I have no need to give any details unless I am suspected of an offence.
I can stop any policemen and ask them their name collar number and which station they are working from.
The police would have you think that they are allowed to do what they want, but they are your servant as in this country police, police by consent our consent."
You've completely misunderstood what policing "By Consent" means, and who's consent they are policing by.
Policing by consent dates back to Robert Peel and is defined as:
“Policing by consent” indicates that the legitimacy of policing in the eyes of the public is based upon a general consensus of support that follows from transparency about their powers, their integrity in exercising those powers and their accountability for doing so.
The consent is "The Collective Consent" of "The People" to "The Police Force", it is not about an individual consent from one individual person to one individual officer.
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On the point of giving information the Mayor of London issued a guide which says:-
"You DO NOT have to give your name and address unless the officer points out an offence he / she suspects you have committed. However, not providing your details may lead to you being detained for longer."
In the OP's circumstances it would have been better to ask politely why the police wanted that information and if they are suspected of a crime. If the officer did not have a reason then you are not compelled to give your details. |
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Some angry people on here.
Having chatted with a couple of friends in the police, they pointed out this:
They're chatting to see if there's any signs that either of you is d*unk, on drugs, there without your consent, in a stolen car...the driver does need to provide details of driving licence, insurance, mot.
Some people need to get some chips off their shoulders, there's a problem with a small portion of police but it's plastered across the news. The vast majority are good people. The same moaners would be moaning that the police haven't found their stolen car that was parked up in woodland with a couple in it.... |
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As far as I know, if I am in my car and I am the driver of said car I would be obligated to give my details, my passenger has no need to.
If I am waking I have no need to give any details unless I am suspected of an offence.
I can stop any policemen and ask them their name collar number and which station they are working from.
The police would have you think that they are allowed to do what they want, but they are your servant as in this country police, police by consent our consent.
You've completely misunderstood what policing "By Consent" means, and who's consent they are policing by.
Policing by consent dates back to Robert Peel and is defined as:
“Policing by consent” indicates that the legitimacy of policing in the eyes of the public is based upon a general consensus of support that follows from transparency about their powers, their integrity in exercising those powers and their accountability for doing so.
The consent is "The Collective Consent" of "The People" to "The Police Force", it is not about an individual consent from one individual person to one individual officer.
Cal"
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"Some angry people on here.
Having chatted with a couple of friends in the police, they pointed out this:
They're chatting to see if there's any signs that either of you is d*unk, on drugs, there without your consent, in a stolen car...the driver does need to provide details of driving licence, insurance, mot.
Some people need to get some chips off their shoulders, there's a problem with a small portion of police but it's plastered across the news. The vast majority are good people. The same moaners would be moaning that the police haven't found their stolen car that was parked up in woodland with a couple in it...."
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Wonder why people are so uncooperative with the people we pay to enforce the laws. Not everything needs to be confrontational.
I recall once, a long time ago, them asking similar details, they told me they were expected to collect a certain quota of contact details per night shift.... No idea if it was true or not but made sense to me. How do we expect them to have a presence if we never have contact with them.? |
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"Police can ask anyone they speak to their details. If you’re not being charged or suspected of something you can refuse them. "
This is true. Unless they officially caution you, which you would then be under arrest, you are intitled to ask the officer the reason for the stop and why you must submit your personal details.
You can refuse, but depending on the officer they may use other methods to obtain information like
plate check on an broken-down or abandoned vehicle. They probably know your details but are just confirming it.
We have had a run in with the police at well known dogging site.
All they did was tell us that the area was used for dogging and they ran regular checks of the site as there was reports of indecent exposure from dog walkers.
Fair play to them we never returned to that area, but there was a man charged and put on the sex offenders register a couple of months later.
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"Contact the duty inspector give them details (tine, location etc) and request an explanation why it happened. You are free to travel and associate on this country. Unless you have grounds for suspicion (which would’ve been explained to you).
2 police officers have just cut their careers short. "
Let's just say you were feeling a tad uncomfortable, your lovely initial date with this gentleman started well but then went downhill and you were starting to feel a bit anxious, no real danger or drama, just a bit on edge.
A knock on the car window from the police could be just the answer.
It's happened to us a few times, mainly in dogging locations and it's always been a knock on the ladies side, generally passenger, a quick hello, everything OK, have a nice evening.
Never had names taken but they have probably already scanned the plates and know who we are.
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As far as I know, if I am in my car and I am the driver of said car I would be obligated to give my details, my passenger has no need to.
If I am waking I have no need to give any details unless I am suspected of an offence.
I can stop any policemen and ask them their name collar number and which station they are working from.
The police would have you think that they are allowed to do what they want, but they are your servant as in this country police, police by consent our consent.
You've completely misunderstood what policing "By Consent" means, and who's consent they are policing by.
Policing by consent dates back to Robert Peel and is defined as:
“Policing by consent” indicates that the legitimacy of policing in the eyes of the public is based upon a general consensus of support that follows from transparency about their powers, their integrity in exercising those powers and their accountability for doing so.
The consent is "The Collective Consent" of "The People" to "The Police Force", it is not about an individual consent from one individual person to one individual officer.
Cal
I believe the word "our" is not a singular, but I could be wrong."
No, but the "your servant" bit implied differently.
The police are not "your servant", they serve the entire country within a framework that is nationally agreed & consent is given "en masse" through the election of government. Groups of individuals cannot "withdraw consent", it takes an act of Parliament to do that. |
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"So I had an interesting meet. I don’t normally meet in a car but did as we got on and it was the only option as I was away from home staying with family. We had our fun. Dressed. It was a quiet private spot, not dogging or anything. No other cars could even park nearby. We’re sat in the front a good 5-10 minutes chatting , perfectly respectable and then blue lights appeared, police car. Asked what we’re doing and at that point nothing. I appreciate had it been 15 minutes earlier that may have been different. They took our full names dates of births , car reg and addresses. That was awkward enough when we hadn’t discussed those details to each other. We’d had a social earlier but I didn’t give him any of that info. Can they do that and what for? No caution or anything. Anyone else been caught or a near miss with the police?"
I thought that they were underfunded to catch real criminals. It is ridiculous that you were quesionned. |
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As far as I know, if I am in my car and I am the driver of said car I would be obligated to give my details, my passenger has no need to.
If I am waking I have no need to give any details unless I am suspected of an offence.
I can stop any policemen and ask them their name collar number and which station they are working from.
The police would have you think that they are allowed to do what they want, but they are your servant as in this country police, police by consent our consent.
You've completely misunderstood what policing "By Consent" means, and who's consent they are policing by.
Policing by consent dates back to Robert Peel and is defined as:
“Policing by consent” indicates that the legitimacy of policing in the eyes of the public is based upon a general consensus of support that follows from transparency about their powers, their integrity in exercising those powers and their accountability for doing so.
The consent is "The Collective Consent" of "The People" to "The Police Force", it is not about an individual consent from one individual person to one individual officer.
Cal
I believe the word "our" is not a singular, but I could be wrong.
No, but the "your servant" bit implied differently.
The police are not "your servant", they serve the entire country within a framework that is nationally agreed & consent is given "en masse" through the election of government. Groups of individuals cannot "withdraw consent", it takes an act of Parliament to do that. "
Love that idea... "I withdraw my consent for you to police me, so be off with you and your questions".... Must be beautiful in lalaland. |
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As far as I know, if I am in my car and I am the driver of said car I would be obligated to give my details, my passenger has no need to.
If I am waking I have no need to give any details unless I am suspected of an offence.
I can stop any policemen and ask them their name collar number and which station they are working from.
The police would have you think that they are allowed to do what they want, but they are your servant as in this country police, police by consent our consent.
You've completely misunderstood what policing "By Consent" means, and who's consent they are policing by.
Policing by consent dates back to Robert Peel and is defined as:
“Policing by consent” indicates that the legitimacy of policing in the eyes of the public is based upon a general consensus of support that follows from transparency about their powers, their integrity in exercising those powers and their accountability for doing so.
The consent is "The Collective Consent" of "The People" to "The Police Force", it is not about an individual consent from one individual person to one individual officer.
Cal
I believe the word "our" is not a singular, but I could be wrong.
No, but the "your servant" bit implied differently.
The police are not "your servant", they serve the entire country within a framework that is nationally agreed & consent is given "en masse" through the election of government. Groups of individuals cannot "withdraw consent", it takes an act of Parliament to do that.
Love that idea... "I withdraw my consent for you to police me, so be off with you and your questions".... Must be beautiful in lalaland. "
That's basically what Johnson did over Partygate. And until the Met was about to get sued for not doing their job, they were happy to let Johnson off completely. |
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"To make sure you are not a prostitute, the police would have been looking at your reactions as they asked the questions.
Why? Even if she was a prostitute that’s not an offence
Not for her, but possibly for the bloke."
Not currently no.
The legality around prostitution in the UK (currently) is that paying or being paid for sex is legal.
Public solicitation (standing on a street corner, cards in post boxes etc) is illegal as is kerb crawling...
But if two people were already in a car how would they know that they were pro/punter or how they had met?
I say currently as there are moves again to move to the 'norwegian' model which makes the purchasing of sexual Services illigal |
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over a year ago
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2 police officers have just cut their careers short.
We can but hope
You happy with even less police then?
I wonder who will shout the loudest when they’re needed
It should fall on deaf ears to those crying about police harassment. If they thought you were dealing drugs to the local dealers would you have the same opinion? Surely you only hate them if you are 12, from a crap background and doing something wrong .
Condescending or what. Fucking snobs.
Snobs ?
Just truth
If you have something to hide then it seems the hate the police childish option works for you.
Surely it’s the police bring good and the scumbags doing bad ?
You might be shocked if you look up some of the things the Met has been doing in recent years...
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My point was 99% are to help and you always get get the 1% of bad in any walk of life "
I think there'd a lot more than that in the Met, there are concerns around institutional racism still, institutional homophobia and clear evidence of a sexist and misogynistic culture.
As well as the high profile cases, and the obscenity of a serving police officer being know by his colleagues as 'the r#pist' and officers strip searching a child on her period with no appropriate adult present, a surprising amount of officers get arrested on sex offences, then there's the officers sacked for the racist sexist abd homophobic group WhatsApp chats.
So the Met are a disgrace. And as the flagship force then that reflects badly on all other forces.
And they need to be held accountable, not excused
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2 police officers have just cut their careers short.
We can but hope
You happy with even less police then?
I wonder who will shout the loudest when they’re needed
It should fall on deaf ears to those crying about police harassment. If they thought you were dealing drugs to the local dealers would you have the same opinion? Surely you only hate them if you are 12, from a crap background and doing something wrong .
Condescending or what. Fucking snobs.
Snobs ?
Just truth
If you have something to hide then it seems the hate the police childish option works for you.
Surely it’s the police bring good and the scumbags doing bad ?
You might be shocked if you look up some of the things the Met has been doing in recent years...
I
My point was 99% are to help and you always get get the 1% of bad in any walk of life
I think there'd a lot more than that in the Met, there are concerns around institutional racism still, institutional homophobia and clear evidence of a sexist and misogynistic culture.
As well as the high profile cases, and the obscenity of a serving police officer being know by his colleagues as 'the r#pist' and officers strip searching a child on her period with no appropriate adult present, a surprising amount of officers get arrested on sex offences, then there's the officers sacked for the racist sexist abd homophobic group WhatsApp chats.
So the Met are a disgrace. And as the flagship force then that reflects badly on all other forces.
And they need to be held accountable, not excused
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You are going to be ok op.
Ignore most of the advice in this thread. You will never hear of this again unless something dodgy in the area happened.
I reiterate you will be fine and nothing will happen. |
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Unless your suspected of a crime then your not under any obligation to give any details, not even your name. That is the actual law, you should have questioned what the reason was and if it wasn't because they suspect a crime had been committed by you then refuse. I know its easy for me to say this sat here writting this but to them you were just a couple sat chatting in the cat. That's not a crime....is it. |
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"ACAB"
Until you need their help.
Amazing the number of people who choose to live outside of the law, yet expect the law to help them when they need it.
A lot of very sensible comments on this thread, but an even greater number of armchair lawyers. |
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"To make sure you are not a prostitute, the police would have been looking at your reactions as they asked the questions.
Why? Even if she was a prostitute that’s not an offence
Not for her, but possibly for the bloke."
Kerb crawling is an offence having a prostitute/escort in your car is also not an offence |
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"Contact the duty inspector give them details (tine, location etc) and request an explanation why it happened. You are free to travel and associate on this country. Unless you have grounds for suspicion (which would’ve been explained to you).
2 police officers have just cut their careers short. "
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As far as I know, if I am in my car and I am the driver of said car I would be obligated to give my details, my passenger has no need to.
If I am waking I have no need to give any details unless I am suspected of an offence.
I can stop any policemen and ask them their name collar number and which station they are working from.
The police would have you think that they are allowed to do what they want, but they are your servant as in this country police, police by consent our consent.
You've completely misunderstood what policing "By Consent" means, and who's consent they are policing by.
Policing by consent dates back to Robert Peel and is defined as:
“Policing by consent” indicates that the legitimacy of policing in the eyes of the public is based upon a general consensus of support that follows from transparency about their powers, their integrity in exercising those powers and their accountability for doing so.
The consent is "The Collective Consent" of "The People" to "The Police Force", it is not about an individual consent from one individual person to one individual officer.
Cal
I believe the word "our" is not a singular, but I could be wrong.
No, but the "your servant" bit implied differently.
The police are not "your servant", they serve the entire country within a framework that is nationally agreed & consent is given "en masse" through the election of government. Groups of individuals cannot "withdraw consent", it takes an act of Parliament to do that. "
I was referring to the OP as in "your" and they are public servants as in the police, and they do police by our consent, and I did not mention anything about withdrawing consent I do not know where that comes from but it is not in my post. |
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As far as I know, if I am in my car and I am the driver of said car I would be obligated to give my details, my passenger has no need to.
If I am waking I have no need to give any details unless I am suspected of an offence.
I can stop any policemen and ask them their name collar number and which station they are working from.
The police would have you think that they are allowed to do what they want, but they are your servant as in this country police, police by consent our consent.
You've completely misunderstood what policing "By Consent" means, and who's consent they are policing by.
Policing by consent dates back to Robert Peel and is defined as:
“Policing by consent” indicates that the legitimacy of policing in the eyes of the public is based upon a general consensus of support that follows from transparency about their powers, their integrity in exercising those powers and their accountability for doing so.
The consent is "The Collective Consent" of "The People" to "The Police Force", it is not about an individual consent from one individual person to one individual officer.
Cal
I believe the word "our" is not a singular, but I could be wrong.
No, but the "your servant" bit implied differently.
The police are not "your servant", they serve the entire country within a framework that is nationally agreed & consent is given "en masse" through the election of government. Groups of individuals cannot "withdraw consent", it takes an act of Parliament to do that.
I was referring to the OP as in "your" and they are public servants as in the police, and they do police by our consent, and I did not mention anything about withdrawing consent I do not know where that comes from but it is not in my post."
Did you read what Cal said about consent, the Robert Peel reference?
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Essentially, as explained by the notable police historian Charles Reith in his ‘New Study of Police History ‘in 1956, it was a philosophy of policing ‘unique in history and throughout the world because it derived not from fear but almost exclusively from public co-operation with the police, induced by them designedly by behaviour which secures and maintains for them the approval, respect and affection of the public’.
It should be noted that it refers to the power of the police coming from the common consent of the public, as opposed to the power of the state. It does not mean the consent of an individual. No individual can chose to withdraw his or her consent from the police, or from a law.
never have I wrote that consent could be withdrawn, where that comes from is not me, but rather from the poster themselves.
My post is there for all to read and I stand by it.
that's the last I will comment, as when things are made up, it is no longer a debate.
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