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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Just how popular is it? I'm looking for rigger and bunny friends alike, but is there really a big following for it here on fab... interested to see just how popular it is. |
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"Just how popular is it? I'm looking for rigger and bunny friends alike, but is there really a big following for it here on fab... interested to see just how popular it is. "
I enjoy this especially letting my creativity run wild, trying to make my bunny look all pretty  |
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By *egoMan
over a year ago
Preston |
I’ve a few girls who just expect me to know it as they want it done to them for various photoshoots.
And they only trust me :-/
But I need someone to show me, videos just don’t work for me with knot type stuff. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just how popular is it? I'm looking for rigger and bunny friends alike, but is there really a big following for it here on fab... interested to see just how popular it is. "
Although people advise looking on different sites I have to say I come across a lot of interest on this site. Only yesterday I was looking at a couple of profiles with some awesome ropework on. |
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We both very much enjoy rope play, but agree that the fetish life site has a lot more enthusiasts, resources and events relating to it.
To those on this thread wanting to learn: almost every region in the UK has groups that hold workshops and "rope jams" which are an excellent way to learn.
"Peer Rope" is a good network of workshops, that emphasises learning from each other. |
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Thanks for the info about rope jam"
You're welcome.
Also, an obligatory note about safety that we feel kind of duty-bound to put here:
Rope play has risks. Assuming you're not attempting suspensions (which *definitely* need a lot of in-person learning), then the main risks are nerve injuries and aggravation of any existing muscoloskeletal issues, both of which can have long-lasting consequences. It is well worth checking out some material on rope safety even if you're just dabbling. |
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By *ensualMan
over a year ago
Sutton |
There are a few riggers on Fab in the SE that I see on the Surrey rope circuit. In particular, lately there seem to be a significant minority of riggers popping up on forums.
I have been interested in Japanese style rope and ethos for about 6 years.
In terms of the rope scene in that 6 years rope has taken off in a huge way. There is a film that can be found on some sites "The Pleasure of Rope" released in 2018 which is a documentary on the London scene. Talking to people who were around when the film was made, the scene has changed hugely. As an example it does not include women who are riggers, or non performance orientated rope.
There used to be very little in the way of resources online, before there were half dozen books, now there about a dozen good books. There is now a shedload of YouTube and Vimeo. Plus as mentioned there are peer ropes organisations popping up everywhere. |
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By *egoMan
over a year ago
Preston |
"[Removed by poster at 23/12/21 09:26:07]
Thanks for the info about rope jam
You're welcome.
Also, an obligatory note about safety that we feel kind of duty-bound to put here:
Rope play has risks. Assuming you're not attempting suspensions (which *definitely* need a lot of in-person learning), then the main risks are nerve injuries and aggravation of any existing muscoloskeletal issues, both of which can have long-lasting consequences. It is well worth checking out some material on rope safety even if you're just dabbling."
Yeah, one model is in suspension.
I can do the rigging for that as a climber and engineer.
The shibari is more to manipulate the limbs and contour etc. to look pretty.
The set is her as a hybrid spider, so I’ll be folding her arms and legs to double them, she’ll be dangling in the trees etc.
The other just wants a Shibari shoot. Wooden floors, dungeon type aesthetic etc. at no point have I ever said I can do it, but they only trust me enough to do it. I even offered to find someone to do it for me, but no. Only I’m allowed to be there to touch them.
It’s rather heart warming in a way, it very frustrating at the same time.
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
carrbrook stalybridge |
as we are heavily into this can only give the following advise
google youre nearest peer rope works shop or ropejam these are usualy run by experianced rope riggers who will guide you safley on a step by step basis through the basics of working with rope . what rope to use where to place in relation the muscle and scelatory damage .saftey equipment and ettiquete . there are also the two knotty boys videos and books on youtube
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By *ensualMan
over a year ago
Sutton |
"[Removed by poster at 23/12/21 09:26:07]
Thanks for the info about rope jam
You're welcome.
Also, an obligatory note about safety that we feel kind of duty-bound to put here:
Rope play has risks. Assuming you're not attempting suspensions (which *definitely* need a lot of in-person learning), then the main risks are nerve injuries and aggravation of any existing muscoloskeletal issues, both of which can have long-lasting consequences. It is well worth checking out some material on rope safety even if you're just dabbling.
Yeah, one model is in suspension.
I can do the rigging for that as a climber and engineer.
The shibari is more to manipulate the limbs and contour etc. to look pretty.
The set is her as a hybrid spider, so I’ll be folding her arms and legs to double them, she’ll be dangling in the trees etc.
The other just wants a Shibari shoot. Wooden floors, dungeon type aesthetic etc. at no point have I ever said I can do it, but they only trust me enough to do it. I even offered to find someone to do it for me, but no. Only I’m allowed to be there to touch them.
It’s rather heart warming in a way, it very frustrating at the same time.
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I am not part of the Shibari police, and as part of rope I am very comfortable with people that use sailing or climbing knots for suspension, but only if they use the correct rope.
However, if you are using 6mm rope doubled over in non standard harnesses; and If you and the models are not aware of the specific safety issues in regard to each of the harnesses/ ties. Then the advice would be to have the set supervised by someone who is experienced in suspension or get one on one training. Informed consent requires that the models know the issues as well and can alert the rigger to any problems. This requires the rigger to give the safety talk before tying anyone.
If you know all this and have taken it into account then I apologise. But I have only said it as rope suspension can go badly wrong. |
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"[Removed by poster at 23/12/21 09:26:07]
Thanks for the info about rope jam
You're welcome.
Also, an obligatory note about safety that we feel kind of duty-bound to put here:
Rope play has risks. Assuming you're not attempting suspensions (which *definitely* need a lot of in-person learning), then the main risks are nerve injuries and aggravation of any existing muscoloskeletal issues, both of which can have long-lasting consequences. It is well worth checking out some material on rope safety even if you're just dabbling.
Yeah, one model is in suspension.
I can do the rigging for that as a climber and engineer.
The shibari is more to manipulate the limbs and contour etc. to look pretty.
The set is her as a hybrid spider, so I’ll be folding her arms and legs to double them, she’ll be dangling in the trees etc.
The other just wants a Shibari shoot. Wooden floors, dungeon type aesthetic etc. at no point have I ever said I can do it, but they only trust me enough to do it. I even offered to find someone to do it for me, but no. Only I’m allowed to be there to touch them.
It’s rather heart warming in a way, it very frustrating at the same time.
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On the suspension: even with extensive climbing experience, we would still strongly advise doing some additional, in-person time with an experienced suspension rigger.
As we're sure you know from your climbing background, small things can lead to very bad consequences once someone is off the ground and partially or fully immobilised.
Unless you are using climbing equipment and ropes for all the load-bearing work, you're working with a different set of risks.
On a lighter note: we love the idea of a hybrid bondage spider!! |
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By *egoMan
over a year ago
Preston |
"[Removed by poster at 23/12/21 09:26:07]
Thanks for the info about rope jam
You're welcome.
Also, an obligatory note about safety that we feel kind of duty-bound to put here:
Rope play has risks. Assuming you're not attempting suspensions (which *definitely* need a lot of in-person learning), then the main risks are nerve injuries and aggravation of any existing muscoloskeletal issues, both of which can have long-lasting consequences. It is well worth checking out some material on rope safety even if you're just dabbling.
Yeah, one model is in suspension.
I can do the rigging for that as a climber and engineer.
The shibari is more to manipulate the limbs and contour etc. to look pretty.
The set is her as a hybrid spider, so I’ll be folding her arms and legs to double them, she’ll be dangling in the trees etc.
The other just wants a Shibari shoot. Wooden floors, dungeon type aesthetic etc. at no point have I ever said I can do it, but they only trust me enough to do it. I even offered to find someone to do it for me, but no. Only I’m allowed to be there to touch them.
It’s rather heart warming in a way, it very frustrating at the same time.
I am not part of the Shibari police, and as part of rope I am very comfortable with people that use sailing or climbing knots for suspension, but only if they use the correct rope.
However, if you are using 6mm rope doubled over in non standard harnesses; and If you and the models are not aware of the specific safety issues in regard to each of the harnesses/ ties. Then the advice would be to have the set supervised by someone who is experienced in suspension or get one on one training. Informed consent requires that the models know the issues as well and can alert the rigger to any problems. This requires the rigger to give the safety talk before tying anyone.
If you know all this and have taken it into account then I apologise. But I have only said it as rope suspension can go badly wrong."
I appreciate the concern.
Due to my lack of experience. Shibari will be purely superficial, I will have them in a body harness, climbing rope and a winch system. That I’ve tested and will brief them on.
The Shibari is the pretty bit over the harness. And limbs will be done but not terribly tight.
Looking at a nice cotton/linen rope for it. To protect the skin.
I will never put people in situations where I cannot outthink the dangers.
People often ask me how I do so much ‘dangerous’ stuff, without getting hurt. Well risk assessments, knowledge and back up plans.
I am looking at purely from a pretty knot angle, not functional or actual bondage. |
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By *ensualMan
over a year ago
Sutton |
"[Removed by poster at 23/12/21 09:26:07]
Thanks for the info about rope jam
You're welcome.
Also, an obligatory note about safety that we feel kind of duty-bound to put here:
Rope play has risks. Assuming you're not attempting suspensions (which *definitely* need a lot of in-person learning), then the main risks are nerve injuries and aggravation of any existing muscoloskeletal issues, both of which can have long-lasting consequences. It is well worth checking out some material on rope safety even if you're just dabbling.
Yeah, one model is in suspension.
I can do the rigging for that as a climber and engineer.
The shibari is more to manipulate the limbs and contour etc. to look pretty.
The set is her as a hybrid spider, so I’ll be folding her arms and legs to double them, she’ll be dangling in the trees etc.
The other just wants a Shibari shoot. Wooden floors, dungeon type aesthetic etc. at no point have I ever said I can do it, but they only trust me enough to do it. I even offered to find someone to do it for me, but no. Only I’m allowed to be there to touch them.
It’s rather heart warming in a way, it very frustrating at the same time.
I am not part of the Shibari police, and as part of rope I am very comfortable with people that use sailing or climbing knots for suspension, but only if they use the correct rope.
However, if you are using 6mm rope doubled over in non standard harnesses; and If you and the models are not aware of the specific safety issues in regard to each of the harnesses/ ties. Then the advice would be to have the set supervised by someone who is experienced in suspension or get one on one training. Informed consent requires that the models know the issues as well and can alert the rigger to any problems. This requires the rigger to give the safety talk before tying anyone.
If you know all this and have taken it into account then I apologise. But I have only said it as rope suspension can go badly wrong.
I appreciate the concern.
Due to my lack of experience. Shibari will be purely superficial, I will have them in a body harness, climbing rope and a winch system. That I’ve tested and will brief them on.
The Shibari is the pretty bit over the harness. And limbs will be done but not terribly tight.
Looking at a nice cotton/linen rope for it. To protect the skin.
I will never put people in situations where I cannot outthink the dangers.
People often ask me how I do so much ‘dangerous’ stuff, without getting hurt. Well risk assessments, knowledge and back up plans.
I am looking at purely from a pretty knot angle, not functional or actual bondage."
Thank you for your considered response.  |
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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago
Gapping Fanny |
"[I am not part of the Shibari police, and as part of rope I am very comfortable with people that use sailing or climbing knots for suspension, but only if they use the correct rope.
However, if you are using 6mm rope doubled over in non standard harnesses; and If you and the models are not aware of the specific safety issues in regard to each of the harnesses/ ties. Then the advice would be to have the set supervised by someone who is experienced in suspension or get one on one training. Informed consent requires that the models know the issues as well and can alert the rigger to any problems. This requires the rigger to give the safety talk before tying anyone.
If you know all this and have taken it into account then I apologise. But I have only said it as rope suspension can go badly wrong."
There are more people on here that are into rope than you first realise.
Zensual and masterropeknot are two such knowledgable people, who have often parted with their advice on how to get into rope.
You could do far worse than search their posting history. |
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We love rope play in all its elements, from simple use in bondage to the more complex suspension
Totally agree that it is a skill and safety is important though. As with anything in BDSM communication is central to safe a pleasurable play
We wouldn’t consider ourselves experts but we do enjoy practicing and trying new things. The challenge is getting a rope bunny, so any volunteers gratefully received
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"[Removed by poster at 23/12/21 09:26:07]
Thanks for the info about rope jam
You're welcome.
Also, an obligatory note about safety that we feel kind of duty-bound to put here:
Rope play has risks. Assuming you're not attempting suspensions (which *definitely* need a lot of in-person learning), then the main risks are nerve injuries and aggravation of any existing muscoloskeletal issues, both of which can have long-lasting consequences. It is well worth checking out some material on rope safety even if you're just dabbling.
Yeah, one model is in suspension.
I can do the rigging for that as a climber and engineer.
The shibari is more to manipulate the limbs and contour etc. to look pretty.
The set is her as a hybrid spider, so I’ll be folding her arms and legs to double them, she’ll be dangling in the trees etc.
The other just wants a Shibari shoot. Wooden floors, dungeon type aesthetic etc. at no point have I ever said I can do it, but they only trust me enough to do it. I even offered to find someone to do it for me, but no. Only I’m allowed to be there to touch them.
It’s rather heart warming in a way, it very frustrating at the same time.
I am not part of the Shibari police, and as part of rope I am very comfortable with people that use sailing or climbing knots for suspension, but only if they use the correct rope.
However, if you are using 6mm rope doubled over in non standard harnesses; and If you and the models are not aware of the specific safety issues in regard to each of the harnesses/ ties. Then the advice would be to have the set supervised by someone who is experienced in suspension or get one on one training. Informed consent requires that the models know the issues as well and can alert the rigger to any problems. This requires the rigger to give the safety talk before tying anyone.
If you know all this and have taken it into account then I apologise. But I have only said it as rope suspension can go badly wrong.
I appreciate the concern.
Due to my lack of experience. Shibari will be purely superficial, I will have them in a body harness, climbing rope and a winch system. That I’ve tested and will brief them on.
The Shibari is the pretty bit over the harness. And limbs will be done but not terribly tight.
Looking at a nice cotton/linen rope for it. To protect the skin.
I will never put people in situations where I cannot outthink the dangers.
People often ask me how I do so much ‘dangerous’ stuff, without getting hurt. Well risk assessments, knowledge and back up plans.
I am looking at purely from a pretty knot angle, not functional or actual bondage."
That sounds like an entirely well thought-out approach |
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By *egoMan
over a year ago
Preston |
"[Removed by poster at 23/12/21 09:26:07]
Thanks for the info about rope jam
You're welcome.
Also, an obligatory note about safety that we feel kind of duty-bound to put here:
Rope play has risks. Assuming you're not attempting suspensions (which *definitely* need a lot of in-person learning), then the main risks are nerve injuries and aggravation of any existing muscoloskeletal issues, both of which can have long-lasting consequences. It is well worth checking out some material on rope safety even if you're just dabbling.
Yeah, one model is in suspension.
I can do the rigging for that as a climber and engineer.
The shibari is more to manipulate the limbs and contour etc. to look pretty.
The set is her as a hybrid spider, so I’ll be folding her arms and legs to double them, she’ll be dangling in the trees etc.
The other just wants a Shibari shoot. Wooden floors, dungeon type aesthetic etc. at no point have I ever said I can do it, but they only trust me enough to do it. I even offered to find someone to do it for me, but no. Only I’m allowed to be there to touch them.
It’s rather heart warming in a way, it very frustrating at the same time.
I am not part of the Shibari police, and as part of rope I am very comfortable with people that use sailing or climbing knots for suspension, but only if they use the correct rope.
However, if you are using 6mm rope doubled over in non standard harnesses; and If you and the models are not aware of the specific safety issues in regard to each of the harnesses/ ties. Then the advice would be to have the set supervised by someone who is experienced in suspension or get one on one training. Informed consent requires that the models know the issues as well and can alert the rigger to any problems. This requires the rigger to give the safety talk before tying anyone.
If you know all this and have taken it into account then I apologise. But I have only said it as rope suspension can go badly wrong.
I appreciate the concern.
Due to my lack of experience. Shibari will be purely superficial, I will have them in a body harness, climbing rope and a winch system. That I’ve tested and will brief them on.
The Shibari is the pretty bit over the harness. And limbs will be done but not terribly tight.
Looking at a nice cotton/linen rope for it. To protect the skin.
I will never put people in situations where I cannot outthink the dangers.
People often ask me how I do so much ‘dangerous’ stuff, without getting hurt. Well risk assessments, knowledge and back up plans.
I am looking at purely from a pretty knot angle, not functional or actual bondage.
That sounds like an entirely well thought-out approach "
Thanks
Hence the heart warming trust friends give me I suppose. Everyone needs to feel safe with me and I’ll support them through any and everything that troubles them. |
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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago
Gapping Fanny |
"Mrs has bought me a book for Xmas about Shibari for beginners. We both are looking forward to experimenting. Could be fun in an erotic way. "
It is lots of fun but just be mindful of the health risks pointed out above. |
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By *elkieWoman
over a year ago
Durham |
I’m a fairly competent rigger, if you see me out and about feel free to ask if I have rope with me.
On learning, a friend of mine runs a utoob channel Bondage Tuition, and the duchy is a solid resource. Start with a single column tie, tie it on yourself a few dozen times a night for a month, get it into your muscle memory. Then another one. If you can get to classes, do.
There’s a load of good performance videos around, it is absolutely worth a look for them. The hardest thing to learn is tension.
Also, shibari is NOT just about looking pretty. It’s inspired by hojojutsu, and the belief that rope can both look good and be highly functional. You can suspend off a single futumomo, if it’s done right.. (But obviously, just because you can doesn’t mean you should)
ALSO; I wouldn’t tie someone who was putting pressure on me to learn new skills for them rqther than getting a more experienced rigger in to help. We work with what I can do safely, or we don’t tie. I’m not willing to deal with the consequences of overextending myself, rope injuries are rare but can be serious. |
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By *egoMan
over a year ago
Preston |
"I’m a fairly competent rigger, if you see me out and about feel free to ask if I have rope with me.
On learning, a friend of mine runs a utoob channel Bondage Tuition, and the duchy is a solid resource. Start with a single column tie, tie it on yourself a few dozen times a night for a month, get it into your muscle memory. Then another one. If you can get to classes, do.
There’s a load of good performance videos around, it is absolutely worth a look for them. The hardest thing to learn is tension.
Also, shibari is NOT just about looking pretty. It’s inspired by hojojutsu, and the belief that rope can both look good and be highly functional. You can suspend off a single futumomo, if it’s done right.. (But obviously, just because you can doesn’t mean you should)
ALSO; I wouldn’t tie someone who was putting pressure on me to learn new skills for them rqther than getting a more experienced rigger in to help. We work with what I can do safely, or we don’t tie. I’m not willing to deal with the consequences of overextending myself, rope injuries are rare but can be serious. "
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"Mrs has bought me a book for Xmas about Shibari for beginners. We both are looking forward to experimenting. Could be fun in an erotic way.
It is lots of fun but just be mindful of the health risks pointed out above."
Duly noted and appreciated xx |
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By *ensualMan
over a year ago
Sutton |
There is number media people can consider when starting rope.
Books
Most have a sections on safety and choice or rope.
Two of those books were written by the Knotty Boys,. One is "Showing You The Ropes". The books are not my thing but people like them and are worth checkling if you like pretty rope. Unfortunately YouTube has removed most of their videos.
Although I am into Japanese style rope, rope is about fun and can be about sexy times. To that end I like Chantra Rose's "Bondage for Sex. You can find her in action online on porn sites in her domination of women videos "Chanta's Bitches"( not for the fainthearted).
Other books I would mention are:
Lee Harrington's "Shibari You Can Use"
Midori's "The Seductive Art Japanese Bondage"
Lord Morpheus' "Bondage Basics'
Pete Riggs *Rope Bondage The Smart Way"
Jay Wiseman "Basic Ripe Bondage"
If tying men is your thing I would recommend
,Stephen Niederwieser's "Tie Me Up!
For rope bottoms:
Evie Vanes "Better Bondage Every Body"
Clover's guide for rope bottoms and rope models
If you want a good holistic book in bondage and D/S and don't mind a long read, Mistress Couple's "Ultimate Guide to Bondage" would be worth a look.
If you want videos the makers of rope deGiotta, and also Twisted Monk used to separately have videos on Vimeo and YouTube. There is also The Duchy.
Crash Restraint has a good syllabus but a number of the links are dead.
I recommend The Rope Podcast without hesitation.
Merry Xmas |
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"There is number media people can consider when starting rope.
Books
Most have a sections on safety and choice or rope.
Two of those books were written by the Knotty Boys,. One is "Showing You The Ropes". The books are not my thing but people like them and are worth checkling if you like pretty rope. Unfortunately YouTube has removed most of their videos.
Although I am into Japanese style rope, rope is about fun and can be about sexy times. To that end I like Chantra Rose's "Bondage for Sex. You can find her in action online on porn sites in her domination of women videos "Chanta's Bitches"( not for the fainthearted).
Other books I would mention are:
Lee Harrington's "Shibari You Can Use"
Midori's "The Seductive Art Japanese Bondage"
Lord Morpheus' "Bondage Basics'
Pete Riggs *Rope Bondage The Smart Way"
Jay Wiseman "Basic Ripe Bondage"
If tying men is your thing I would recommend
,Stephen Niederwieser's "Tie Me Up!
For rope bottoms:
Evie Vanes "Better Bondage Every Body"
Clover's guide for rope bottoms and rope models
If you want a good holistic book in bondage and D/S and don't mind a long read, Mistress Couple's "Ultimate Guide to Bondage" would be worth a look.
If you want videos the makers of rope deGiotta, and also Twisted Monk used to separately have videos on Vimeo and YouTube. There is also The Duchy.
Crash Restraint has a good syllabus but a number of the links are dead.
I recommend The Rope Podcast without hesitation.
Merry Xmas"
Thank you _ensual, appreciate the info and you taking time to message. |
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By *ensualMan
over a year ago
Sutton |
"There is number media people can consider when starting rope.
Books
Most have a sections on safety and choice or rope.
Two of those books were written by the Knotty Boys,. One is "Showing You The Ropes". The books are not my thing but people like them and are worth checkling if you like pretty rope. Unfortunately YouTube has removed most of their videos.
Although I am into Japanese style rope, rope is about fun and can be about sexy times. To that end I like Chantra Rose's "Bondage for Sex. You can find her in action online on porn sites in her domination of women videos "Chanta's Bitches"( not for the fainthearted).
Other books I would mention are:
Lee Harrington's "Shibari You Can Use"
Midori's "The Seductive Art Japanese Bondage"
Lord Morpheus' "Bondage Basics'
Pete Riggs *Rope Bondage The Smart Way"
Jay Wiseman "Basic Ripe Bondage"
If tying men is your thing I would recommend
,Stephen Niederwieser's "Tie Me Up!
For rope bottoms:
Evie Vanes "Better Bondage Every Body"
Clover's guide for rope bottoms and rope models
If you want a good holistic book in bondage and D/S and don't mind a long read, Mistress Couple's "Ultimate Guide to Bondage" would be worth a look.
If you want videos the makers of rope deGiotta, and also Twisted Monk used to separately have videos on Vimeo and YouTube. There is also The Duchy.
Crash Restraint has a good syllabus but a number of the links are dead.
I recommend The Rope Podcast without hesitation.
Merry Xmas
Thank you _ensual, appreciate the info and you taking time to message. "
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