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STIs how risky is it?
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Hi All
This is a two part post.
You see quite a few people having a go at barebackers on here. I don't play bareback before you have a go at me - just so you know. I don't look down on those who do, it's an adult world so their choice. If it were safe I doubt there would be a condom in sight other than for birth control.
I'm just wondering if there are any that care to share wether they have picked up an STI as a result of playing bareback and also how often they get tested or someone in the know to say what is the risk of catching something is. Is there an "R" value relevant to this subject. There are people on here who post bareback movies with multiple partners nearly daily if picking up an STI is as risky as people seem to imply then either they are just living with an STI or two or continuing playing while on treatment.
My second part to this relates to pictures where one sees lumps or what may be gential warts on members posted pictures. How would one be sure such a lump is not a highly infectious wart? And how would you handle the situation if you were faced with such a thing in a meeting?
I'm not judgemental on this just interested in your experiences and thoughts. Feel free to PM me if you would prefer not to be bashed by the bareback police.
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Google "UK sti statistics 2019"
Ghonorea and syphilis are at the highest rates they have been since ww2 and have been increasing (by 26% and 10% respectively in 12 months).
In my experience most people who are willing to 'accept the risks' aren't fully aware of the risks. But I'm not bothered if someone else's nob or fanny falls off so long as I don't have to pick it up.
As a general rule, if I wouldn't put it on my face I won't put it on my knob. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I can literally count on one hand the number of occasions I've used a condom, I always have sex bare. I've honestly never had a STD. I get tested monthly when I've been playing with men other than my husband.
To your second point, if I could see something suspicious I'd probably walk away. Xx |
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"I can literally count on one hand the number of occasions I've used a condom, I always have sex bare. I've honestly never had a STD. I get tested monthly when I've been playing with men other than my husband.
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That's really interesting. The actual risk seems a lot less than the bareback police seem to think. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We've played bare for over 30 years with what must be hundreds of partners in that time. We have regular tests which are so easy now and never had anything!
What amazes us is the number of people who claim to be safe only until they are in the bedroom  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There is a risk there always is and always will be, I mean there is even a risk with oral sex.
But you have to calculate that risk, I’ve been with lots of lovely ladies and rarely used a condom, only greedy girl nights I’ve used one, simply being that’s what the lady requests).
I get tested every four weeks, and 100% hand on heart never caught anything at all. Not even thrush or anything. I’ll be honest it’s more likely I’ll catch a STI with a lady I’ve met on a night out than I would on here in or in a club.
I do try and reduce the risk though, I always say hello down there and try and judge, plus I’m on prep and hep vaccinated. |
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"Google "UK sti statistics 2019"
Ghonorea and syphilis are at the highest rates they have been since ww2 and have been increasing (by 26% and 10% respectively in 12 months). "
Context is important here; Whilst there was an upward trend, you failed to mention that testing rates also increased, especially in those aged 64+ which is the age group most likely to have syphilis. For example, there was 196% increase in MG, due to availability of testing.
You also don't mention that the largest proportional increase (especially in gonorrhoea) was in people of Asian ethnicity and MSM (men who sleep with men) - Prep and increased testing are the likely causes here.
Overall, the highest rates of STIs are found in young heterosexual people (15-24), those of black ethnicity, and MSM.
Women from any group are more likely to have gonorrhoea than men.
Context is important when talking about sexual health, and it's not helpful to just make sweeping statements about unprotected sex being a ticket to the GUM clinic.
Chlamydia, gonorrhoea (mostly) and syphilis are highly and easily treatable conditions.
Chlamydia is the most easily transmitted STI for both genders (30% chance on average)
Gonorrhoea has an average risk of 20% for men, and 60%+ for women.
The risk of contracting HIV from a single heterosexual exposure is between 1 in 1,500 (0.06%) and 1 in 3,500 (0.0028%).
My personal view would be that those who use fab, and take part in the lifestyle are more likely to be aware of their own sexual health status and likely get tested more often than the rest of non-swinging population - I have no evidence that this is the case, it's just speculation.
If you're having unprotected sex, then you should get tested at least once a year in the absence of symptoms or known exposures.
Negative attitudes, and ignorant statements towards sexual practices should stay in the 90s - the more open about discussing, understanding and learning we are, the better off and safer we'll all be!
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By *vpamelaTV/TS
over a year ago
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Interesting reading. I've always played safe outside of a relationship except for oral and been fortunate enough to never have contracted anything. And yes I usually get tested a minimum of once a year (this year I've had no reason to ??) Always had the fantasy to be a cum dump slut but could never do it for std worries. |
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"Google "UK sti statistics 2019"
Ghonorea and syphilis are at the highest rates they have been since ww2 and have been increasing (by 26% and 10% respectively in 12 months).
Context is important here; Whilst there was an upward trend, you failed to mention that testing rates also increased, especially in those aged 64+ which is the age group most likely to have syphilis. For example, there was 196% increase in MG, due to availability of testing.
You also don't mention that the largest proportional increase (especially in gonorrhoea) was in people of Asian ethnicity and MSM (men who sleep with men) - Prep and increased testing are the likely causes here.
Overall, the highest rates of STIs are found in young heterosexual people (15-24), those of black ethnicity, and MSM.
Women from any group are more likely to have gonorrhoea than men.
Context is important when talking about sexual health, and it's not helpful to just make sweeping statements about unprotected sex being a ticket to the GUM clinic.
Chlamydia, gonorrhoea (mostly) and syphilis are highly and easily treatable conditions.
Chlamydia is the most easily transmitted STI for both genders (30% chance on average)
Gonorrhoea has an average risk of 20% for men, and 60%+ for women.
The risk of contracting HIV from a single heterosexual exposure is between 1 in 1,500 (0.06%) and 1 in 3,500 (0.0028%).
My personal view would be that those who use fab, and take part in the lifestyle are more likely to be aware of their own sexual health status and likely get tested more often than the rest of non-swinging population - I have no evidence that this is the case, it's just speculation.
If you're having unprotected sex, then you should get tested at least once a year in the absence of symptoms or known exposures.
Negative attitudes, and ignorant statements towards sexual practices should stay in the 90s - the more open about discussing, understanding and learning we are, the better off and safer we'll all be!
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I had Chlamydia once, as a teenager, over 20 years ago. It was easily treated with antibiotics, didn't affect my fertility.
I really think it should be talked about more.
I would always play safe now, I don't need any added health issues! |
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Great post thank you.
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Context is important here; Whilst there was an upward trend, you failed to mention that testing rates also increased, especially in those aged 64+ which is the age group most likely to have syphilis. For example, there was 196% increase in MG, due to availability of testing.
You also don't mention that the largest proportional increase (especially in gonorrhoea) was in people of Asian ethnicity and MSM (men who sleep with men) - Prep and increased testing are the likely causes here.
Overall, the highest rates of STIs are found in young heterosexual people (15-24), those of black ethnicity, and MSM.
Women from any group are more likely to have gonorrhoea than men.
Context is important when talking about sexual health, and it's not helpful to just make sweeping statements about unprotected sex being a ticket to the GUM clinic.
Chlamydia, gonorrhoea (mostly) and syphilis are highly and easily treatable conditions.
Chlamydia is the most easily transmitted STI for both genders (30% chance on average)
Gonorrhoea has an average risk of 20% for men, and 60%+ for women.
The risk of contracting HIV from a single heterosexual exposure is between 1 in 1,500 (0.06%) and 1 in 3,500 (0.0028%).
My personal view would be that those who use fab, and take part in the lifestyle are more likely to be aware of their own sexual health status and likely get tested more often than the rest of non-swinging population - I have no evidence that this is the case, it's just speculation.
If you're having unprotected sex, then you should get tested at least once a year in the absence of symptoms or known exposures.
Negative attitudes, and ignorant statements towards sexual practices should stay in the 90s - the more open about discussing, understanding and learning we are, the better off and safer we'll all be!
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"Anyone who says they never have bare sex is lying. Thats how you get pregnant and i dont believe anyone who says they have never had unprotected sex "
Can guarantee you I never have bare sex... and never been pregnant. What weird outlook. Why would we lie hahhaha |
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It's interesting that STDs are people's only consideration with going bare. It's also worth remembering that the pill has a 0.3-9% failure rate, so pregnancy is a higher risk. Those that play safe are curiously even worse off as condoms have a 2-18% failure rate. Xx |
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"It's interesting that STDs are people's only consideration with going bare. It's also worth remembering that the pill has a 0.3-9% failure rate, so pregnancy is a higher risk. Those that play safe are curiously even worse off as condoms have a 2-18% failure rate. Xx"
It really is a much bigger conversation than bare= risk and safe (er) = no risk! Xx |
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"It's interesting that STDs are people's only consideration with going bare. It's also worth remembering that the pill has a 0.3-9% failure rate, so pregnancy is a higher risk. Those that play safe are curiously even worse off as condoms have a 2-18% failure rate. Xx
It really is a much bigger conversation than bare= risk and safe (er) = no risk! Xx"
Yeah, plus oral adds some risk, anal is higher risk, etc. There are a lot of factors to consider against your risk appetite. Xx |
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I have done bare sex more than I've used a condom, ive only ever had 1 sti( chlamydia) and that was the first time I ever had sex a two week course of antibiotics sorted it out, never affected my fertility as I have children. I get tested every other month or 3 weeks after a new sexual parnter.
I would be more worried about getting pregnant. |
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"I have done bare sex more than I've used a condom, ive only ever had 1 sti( chlamydia) and that was the first time I ever had sex a two week course of antibiotics sorted it out, never affected my fertility as I have children. I get tested every other month or 3 weeks after a new sexual parnter.
I would be more worried about getting pregnant. "
Same here. I've never had a STD, but I know there is as 8% chance I'll get pregnant as that's the typical failure rate of my pill, although I try to take it perfectly so hopefully it's effectiveness is much higher! xx |
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"Google "UK sti statistics 2019"
Ghonorea and syphilis are at the highest rates they have been since ww2 and have been increasing (by 26% and 10% respectively in 12 months).
Context is important here; Whilst there was an upward trend, you failed to mention that testing rates also increased, especially in those aged 64+ which is the age group most likely to have syphilis. For example, there was 196% increase in MG, due to availability of testing.
You also don't mention that the largest proportional increase (especially in gonorrhoea) was in people of Asian ethnicity and MSM (men who sleep with men) - Prep and increased testing are the likely causes here.
Overall, the highest rates of STIs are found in young heterosexual people (15-24), those of black ethnicity, and MSM.
Women from any group are more likely to have gonorrhoea than men.
Context is important when talking about sexual health, and it's not helpful to just make sweeping statements about unprotected sex being a ticket to the GUM clinic.
Chlamydia, gonorrhoea (mostly) and syphilis are highly and easily treatable conditions.
Chlamydia is the most easily transmitted STI for both genders (30% chance on average)
Gonorrhoea has an average risk of 20% for men, and 60%+ for women.
The risk of contracting HIV from a single heterosexual exposure is between 1 in 1,500 (0.06%) and 1 in 3,500 (0.0028%).
My personal view would be that those who use fab, and take part in the lifestyle are more likely to be aware of their own sexual health status and likely get tested more often than the rest of non-swinging population - I have no evidence that this is the case, it's just speculation.
If you're having unprotected sex, then you should get tested at least once a year in the absence of symptoms or known exposures.
Negative attitudes, and ignorant statements towards sexual practices should stay in the 90s - the more open about discussing, understanding and learning we are, the better off and safer we'll all be!
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Yeah, there's a lot I didn't mention, preferring instead to point you to the report so you could read it in full at your leisure.
I appreciate you taking the time to look at it, that's a rare thing in Internet discussions these days.
I'm not sure what you mean by negative attitude or ignorant statements.
Perhaps my comment came across as too flippant. The people I've talked to about this sort of thing have predominantly been men in the pub (friends or work colleagues) and they were largely unaware of the potential risks. It was unlikely any of them were representative of the swinging community.
You're right, context is key and risk of stis varies depending on what you're doing and who it's with.
I don't really care if people do or don't catch an sti as it has little impact on me. People can take any risks they feel comfortable with. But they should try to be aware of the risks. That's why I suggested googling the report.
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"I appreciate you taking the time to look at it, that's a rare thing in Internet discussions these days.
I'm not sure what you mean by negative attitude or ignorant statements.
Perhaps my comment came across as too flippant. The people I've talked to about this sort of thing have predominantly been men in the pub (friends or work colleagues) and they were largely unaware of the potential risks. It was unlikely any of them were representative of the swinging community.
You're right, context is key and risk of stis varies depending on what you're doing and who it's with.
I don't really care if people do or don't catch an sti as it has little impact on me. People can take any risks they feel comfortable with. But they should try to be aware of the risks. That's why I suggested googling the report.
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I work in public health, so I'm probably the exception when it comes to reading reports - I write a fair few of them!
My comment about negative attitudes and ignorance wasn't aimed at you specifically, more against the general view I see a lot of on the forums.
Ultimately, everyone is a consenting adult that will make decisions based on what works for them - I have never seen anyone actively promoting bareback sex on here, or discouraging safer sex; yet I'm always tripping over comments that are thinly veiled insults towards the kind of people who do enjoy bareback sex.
That's my biggest concern and issue, I think those that stigmatise others for enjoying something they don't is toxic and ignorant, but that doesn't just apply to safe vs unsafe sex.
Thanks for your sensible and thoughtful response though, it's refreshing! |
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Theres a lot of sensible comments on here. Minimising risk is a smart move and where there are lumps and bumps etc i’d like to think there would be a discussion had and the decision made not to have sex until getting checked out. Lots of STI’s are treatable as mentioned but some infections can be resistant to treatment or require more than one course to clear. |
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By *isser36Man
over a year ago
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I've never caught anything from a swinging partner and I'll openly admit to playing bare with them, being more of a regular partner arrangement rather than a one off, many more who would have quite happily let me fuck bare or actively wanted that but didn't....however in the "real world " I've had several cases of NSU from night out one night stand Partners, easily cured with a pill or two, I will say though my "real world" to swinging partner ratio is significantly higher due to my highly sexed younger philandering years. |
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"This is an Interesting read.
Would we be right in saying plenty of lub reduces the risk of an sti as there's less chance of a rip inside? "
That question has a surprisingly complicated answer!
Short version: Dry anal sex will cause significantly more damage than using plenty of lubricant.
Longer version: There's some evidence (based on a small study) that certain lubes can actually increase your risk of contracting an STI due to the ingredients contained which effectively strip away the epithelium (outer layer) of cells in rectal tissue. They didn't look at the data on HIV transmission, but they did look at the rates of rectal gonorrhoea - and they saw an increased rate of STIs in those who used lubricants during receptive anal intercourse.
It's important to point out that this was a very small study and the results highlight a possible correlation but you'd need a bigger, more robust study to establish causation.
The take away is don't stop using lube because dry sex is bad for everyone!
Just be mindful about what lube you're using - silicone lubes appear to be less harmful on tissue than water based (which sounds counter intuitive) lubes, and any lube that has anti-spermicidal properties tend to cause the most damage.
Disclaimer: This is not medical/professional advice! |
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"This is an Interesting read.
Would we be right in saying plenty of lub reduces the risk of an sti as there's less chance of a rip inside?
That question has a surprisingly complicated answer!
Short version: Dry anal sex will cause significantly more damage than using plenty of lubricant.
Longer version: There's some evidence (based on a small study) that certain lubes can actually increase your risk of contracting an STI due to the ingredients contained which effectively strip away the epithelium (outer layer) of cells in rectal tissue. They didn't look at the data on HIV transmission, but they did look at the rates of rectal gonorrhoea - and they saw an increased rate of STIs in those who used lubricants during receptive anal intercourse.
It's important to point out that this was a very small study and the results highlight a possible correlation but you'd need a bigger, more robust study to establish causation.
The take away is don't stop using lube because dry sex is bad for everyone!
Just be mindful about what lube you're using - silicone lubes appear to be less harmful on tissue than water based (which sounds counter intuitive) lubes, and any lube that has anti-spermicidal properties tend to cause the most damage.
Disclaimer: This is not medical/professional advice!"
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Now then. I had a woman message me last year, she wanted to meet up was very pushy and said alsorts she told me on more than one occasion she was on the pill, wasnt bothered about protection. i cancelled afew times and in the end she deleted her account, about 2 month later she popped up on a couples account at the bottom said 'female has hsv-2
Theres not a chance id risk sex without protection unless it was a ongoing 1 on 1 thing  |
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"Very high risks
Look up HPV
It’ll scare the fuck out of you..
BTW
I had HPV in my blood when I had throat cancer"
Condoms aren't that great at protecting against HPV especially when compared to other STIs - the best way to avoid it is to get vaccinated |
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"Now then. I had a woman message me last year, she wanted to meet up was very pushy and said alsorts she told me on more than one occasion she was on the pill, wasnt bothered about protection. i cancelled afew times and in the end she deleted her account, about 2 month later she popped up on a couples account at the bottom said 'female has hsv-2
Theres not a chance id risk sex without protection unless it was a ongoing 1 on 1 thing "
Condoms can reduce your chances of contracting HSV-2 but they're not as effective against it as they are other STIs, so it's still a risk even with a condom. |
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It's a difficult one. I caught gonorrhea when I was younger... had only had two sexual partners at that point, but my boyfriend cheated on me and that's how I picked it up.
I went to university with a girl who got HIV from a one night stand when the condom split.
Others fuck hundreds of people and don't pick up anything. It really just seems as though it is down to luck. |
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"Now then. I had a woman message me last year, she wanted to meet up was very pushy and said alsorts she told me on more than one occasion she was on the pill, wasnt bothered about protection. i cancelled afew times and in the end she deleted her account, about 2 month later she popped up on a couples account at the bottom said 'female has hsv-2
Theres not a chance id risk sex without protection unless it was a ongoing 1 on 1 thing
Condoms can reduce your chances of contracting HSV-2 but they're not as effective against it as they are other STIs, so it's still a risk even with a condom. "
I wouldnt play with someone if i knew they had a std |
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What about this?
Some types of cancer are linked to human papillomavirus (HPV) infection in the mouth and throat. It's likely that some types of HPV are spread by oral sex.
Cancers in the mouth and throat are sometimes called head and neck cancers, and include cancers of the:
mouth
lip
tongue
voice box (larynx)
area that connects the nose and throat (nasopharynx) |
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