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" I would personally feel weird partaking with a bi inclined chap. " Thanks for taking the time to answer. But are you happy to explain why you'd feel weird? Genuine question. Ta. | |||
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"We won't meet bi women because on the occasions we have they have been aggressive towards me (f) " Sorry to hear that.... "We have met bi men though and had no such issues. " Glad to hear that!!! Thanks, Gbat | |||
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"why pick it apart ?? " Because I'm a naturally curious person and I'm keen to understand other people's viewpoint, even when I think it quite different to mine. "they dont want to meet bi guys its a simple as that .." I understand that entirely, and actually it acts as a bit of a filter for me. I imagine I wouldn't gel with them too well. Ta. | |||
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"It really doesn't matter..........[ ...] Their choice isn't harming anyone. Of course! It's the forum though, so I thought I'd chat about it. Ta, Gbat" we would never meet a bi man ..its just a preference..no different than a gay man not wanting to meet a woman ..get over it move on | |||
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" Or do they think bi men will suddenly pounce on their man as they loose all self control? " This has happened on a number of occasions so we do now avoid as it stops play immediately. | |||
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" Or do they think bi men will suddenly pounce on their man as they loose all self control? This has happened on a number of occasions so we do now avoid as it stops play immediately. " That would be a reason!!!! | |||
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"we would never meet a bi man ..its just a preference.." Of course that's your choice. I'm trying to understand WHY it's your choice. "no different than a gay man not wanting to meet a woman " Completely different to that. Gay men don't want sex with females. The female bit of your couple does like men. "get over it move on" I don't need to get over it, I was never "on it" I'm just curious. Thanks for answering though. | |||
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"I would imagine it’s a combination of the higher prevalence of certain STD’s amongst men who participate in anal sex with other men and potentially the guy feeling uncomfortable in the scenario. It may not be that he thinks he’s going to be touched without consent, just that it’s a turn off for them. Mrs Twinkle " Bi men are at slightly higher risk than none swinging straight guys, but exactly the same risk as straight swingers , according to figures i read some time back . The real joke is the number of " straight" bi guys that are on the site ... | |||
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"I would imagine it’s a combination of the higher prevalence of certain STD’s amongst men who participate in anal sex with other men and potentially the guy feeling uncomfortable in the scenario. It may not be that he thinks he’s going to be touched without consent, just that it’s a turn off for them. Mrs Twinkle Bi men are at slightly higher risk than none swinging straight guys, but exactly the same risk as straight swingers , according to figures i read some time back . The real joke is the number of " straight" bi guys that are on the site ..." I’ve never seen any credible sources quoting the statistics compared to a straight male who participates in swinging so I couldn’t comment on that. I’m not saying I agree with it, just speculating on various reasons I’ve seen discussed. | |||
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"It really doesn't matter..........[ ...] Their choice isn't harming anyone. Of course! It's the forum though, so I thought I'd chat about it. Ta, Gbat" Yes, I never understand that sort of response. We're here to discuss stuff, it's not meant to "matter" BTW. The answer is usually homophobia, but I'm sure we both knew that already. | |||
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" Or do they think bi men will suddenly pounce on their man as they loose all self control? This has happened on a number of occasions so we do now avoid as it stops play immediately. " I'd be inclined to suggest this isn't because you met bi guys, but you met morons. There's an overlap, but there's no replacement for actually judging someone's character before fucking. | |||
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"why pick it apart ?? they dont want to meet bi guys its a simple as that ... but what i will say is they most certainly will meet bi guys or already have due to the amount of guys who lie so they can have it all..." I know, its so annoying. They could at least leave a little for the rest of us.... ![]() | |||
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"It really doesn't matter. In short, sexual thrills are predominantly in the mind. If it does it for you (or them), it does it, if not, it doesn't. We all have choices to make, day in, day out. Their choice isn't harming anyone." | |||
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"It really doesn't matter..........[ ...] Their choice isn't harming anyone. Of course! It's the forum though, so I thought I'd chat about it. Ta, Gbat Yes, I never understand that sort of response. We're here to discuss stuff, it's not meant to "matter" BTW. The answer is usually homophobia, but I'm sure we both knew that already. " Yup, and I expressed an opinion via the forum, so adding to the discussion. Where's the shrug emoji? | |||
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"It could be anything. Simply a preference or any of the other things you’ve mentioned. They’re exercising their right to choice. I am only interested in straight men myself. " No such thing as "simply a preference". | |||
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"It could be anything. Simply a preference or any of the other things you’ve mentioned. They’re exercising their right to choice. I am only interested in straight men myself. No such thing as "simply a preference". " That’s your opinion. I tend to disagree. | |||
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"Ultimately OP, it's just their choice, they will likely all have their own individual reasons, and they don't have to explain or justify those reasons to anyone. I'd say rather than wasting your energy trying to understand why some people don't want to meet you, instead focus your efforts on finding the ones who do. K" If you don't think he should waste his time, why are you wasting you time being the nth person to say so in this thread? | |||
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"It could be anything. Simply a preference or any of the other things you’ve mentioned. They’re exercising their right to choice. I am only interested in straight men myself. No such thing as "simply a preference". That’s your opinion. I tend to disagree. " Thing is, you're objectively wrong though. Preference is always born out of some input or something, subconscious or otherwise, everything has reasons in some form. Funny how so many people are happy to discuss preferences for biscuits, cars, tc shows, clothes... But as soon as they become possibly controversial there's suddenly no reason at all. | |||
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"It could be anything. Simply a preference or any of the other things you’ve mentioned. They’re exercising their right to choice. I am only interested in straight men myself. No such thing as "simply a preference". That’s your opinion. I tend to disagree. Thing is, you're objectively wrong though. Preference is always born out of some input or something, subconscious or otherwise, everything has reasons in some form. Funny how so many people are happy to discuss preferences for biscuits, cars, tc shows, clothes... But as soon as they become possibly controversial there's suddenly no reason at all. " An opinion isn’t wrong. I have a preference for tall men, men older than me, men with dark hair. I can’t explain away any of them because there isn’t actually a valid reason, it’s just what I like so that is “simply a preference”. I’m sure some people use that line as an excuse, in order to not offend some on here, and I’m sure some use it honestly. | |||
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"It could be anything. Simply a preference or any of the other things you’ve mentioned. They’re exercising their right to choice. I am only interested in straight men myself. No such thing as "simply a preference". That’s your opinion. I tend to disagree. Thing is, you're objectively wrong though. Preference is always born out of some input or something, subconscious or otherwise, everything has reasons in some form. Funny how so many people are happy to discuss preferences for biscuits, cars, tc shows, clothes... But as soon as they become possibly controversial there's suddenly no reason at all. An opinion isn’t wrong. I have a preference for tall men, men older than me, men with dark hair. I can’t explain away any of them because there isn’t actually a valid reason, it’s just what I like so that is “simply a preference”. I’m sure some people use that line as an excuse, in order to not offend some on here, and I’m sure some use it honestly. " Plenty of opinions can be extremely wrong. It's people's opinion that the earth is flat and vaccines cause autism. You said yourself "valid reason". They don't have to be "valid", whatever that means. They don't have to be definable, but there are still always reasons. | |||
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"It could be anything. Simply a preference or any of the other things you’ve mentioned. They’re exercising their right to choice. I am only interested in straight men myself. No such thing as "simply a preference". That’s your opinion. I tend to disagree. Thing is, you're objectively wrong though. Preference is always born out of some input or something, subconscious or otherwise, everything has reasons in some form. Funny how so many people are happy to discuss preferences for biscuits, cars, tc shows, clothes... But as soon as they become possibly controversial there's suddenly no reason at all. An opinion isn’t wrong. I have a preference for tall men, men older than me, men with dark hair. I can’t explain away any of them because there isn’t actually a valid reason, it’s just what I like so that is “simply a preference”. I’m sure some people use that line as an excuse, in order to not offend some on here, and I’m sure some use it honestly. Plenty of opinions can be extremely wrong. It's people's opinion that the earth is flat and vaccines cause autism. You said yourself "valid reason". They don't have to be "valid", whatever that means. They don't have to be definable, but there are still always reasons. " I don’t believe there is always a reason. As I said, I like men with dark hair, I couldn’t give you a reason because I don’t have one, I simply prefer it over light hair. Hence “simply a preference”. This sort of topic always seems to cause an issue and I’m not sure why. Is having no interest in bi men that different from say an age filter or dress size? | |||
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"Ultimately OP, it's just their choice, they will likely all have their own individual reasons, and they don't have to explain or justify those reasons to anyone. I'd say rather than wasting your energy trying to understand why some people don't want to meet you, instead focus your efforts on finding the ones who do. K If you don't think he should waste his time, why are you wasting you time being the nth person to say so in this thread? " I'm not wasting my time, I'm joining in with the discussion & offering my point of view on the subject. K | |||
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"To be a preference for tall, dark, older mean screams of valid reasons. To feel protected, to feel dominated... All sorts. They might not be correct, but especially based in the societal norms you've grown up with, your preference is extremely reasonable and understandable. Because of reasons. " Your assumption is wrong as I have no desire to feel “protected”. As I said, it’s a preference which doesn’t mean I exclusively seek older men (I don’t). How about preferring a “dad bod” to say an overly athletic body? Or having a preference for green eyes? Or finding more white men attractive than black men even though I’m a black woman? I’m all ears... ![]() | |||
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"It could be anything. Simply a preference or any of the other things you’ve mentioned. They’re exercising their right to choice. I am only interested in straight men myself. No such thing as "simply a preference". That’s your opinion. I tend to disagree. Thing is, you're objectively wrong though. Preference is always born out of some input or something, subconscious or otherwise, everything has reasons in some form. Funny how so many people are happy to discuss preferences for biscuits, cars, tc shows, clothes... But as soon as they become possibly controversial there's suddenly no reason at all. An opinion isn’t wrong. I have a preference for tall men, men older than me, men with dark hair. I can’t explain away any of them because there isn’t actually a valid reason, it’s just what I like so that is “simply a preference”. I’m sure some people use that line as an excuse, in order to not offend some on here, and I’m sure some use it honestly. Plenty of opinions can be extremely wrong. It's people's opinion that the earth is flat and vaccines cause autism. You said yourself "valid reason". They don't have to be "valid", whatever that means. They don't have to be definable, but there are still always reasons. " I can't explain to anyone, even myself, why I find somethings sexually attractive and somethings a turn off. Like why do some people find guys with blonde hair more sexually attractive than guys with brunette hair? I've never understood why sexual attraction has to explained, especially as I've never met anyone that is able to explain their own? | |||
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"To be a preference for tall, dark, older mean screams of valid reasons. To feel protected, to feel dominated... All sorts. They might not be correct, but especially based in the societal norms you've grown up with, your preference is extremely reasonable and understandable. Because of reasons. Your assumption is wrong as I have no desire to feel “protected”. As I said, it’s a preference which doesn’t mean I exclusively seek older men (I don’t). How about preferring a “dad bod” to say an overly athletic body? Or having a preference for green eyes? Or finding more white men attractive than black men even though I’m a black woman? I’m all ears... ![]() I didnt assume anything, I just the most obvious potential reasons out of the air. You really seem to be fighting acknowledging what you're proving yourself... There are reasons. They can be almost anything, but they always exist, and are (imho) fun and interesting to explore. | |||
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"I can't explain to anyone, even myself, why I find somethings sexually attractive and somethings a turn off. Like why do some people find guys with blonde hair more sexually attractive than guys with brunette hair? I've never understood why sexual attraction has to explained, especially as I've never met anyone that is able to explain their own? " It doesn't have to be explained at all. I never said that for a second. Just acknowledge there is stuff that got those feelings there. Even if you were born feeling that way in your DNA, that's a reason. | |||
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"Not everyone can explain their preferences and that’s fine and understandable. But that’s different from telling people to ‘move on’ and making blanket statements that it’s not worth discussing preferences. " ![]() | |||
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"I can't explain to anyone, even myself, why I find somethings sexually attractive and somethings a turn off. Like why do some people find guys with blonde hair more sexually attractive than guys with brunette hair? I've never understood why sexual attraction has to explained, especially as I've never met anyone that is able to explain their own? It doesn't have to be explained at all. I never said that for a second. Just acknowledge there is stuff that got those feelings there. Even if you were born feeling that way in your DNA, that's a reason. " So it's ok for there to be no reason? | |||
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" I've never understood why sexual attraction has to explained, especially as I've never met anyone that is able to explain their own? " Fair enough but that’s not the sort of question that originated the thread. It wasn’t about sexual attraction to one physical trait or another. It was about not wanting to meet bi men, which could be for many different sorts of reasons. | |||
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" I've never understood why sexual attraction has to explained, especially as I've never met anyone that is able to explain their own? Fair enough but that’s not the sort of question that originated the thread. It wasn’t about sexual attraction to one physical trait or another. It was about not wanting to meet bi men, which could be for many different sorts of reasons. " But what if they find bisexual sex sexually unattractive? | |||
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"I can't explain to anyone, even myself, why I find somethings sexually attractive and somethings a turn off. Like why do some people find guys with blonde hair more sexually attractive than guys with brunette hair? I've never understood why sexual attraction has to explained, especially as I've never met anyone that is able to explain their own? It doesn't have to be explained at all. I never said that for a second. Just acknowledge there is stuff that got those feelings there. Even if you were born feeling that way in your DNA, that's a reason. " So the fact it’s in your DNA, would be the reason people have no specific reason or explanation for the feelings or specific attractions... | |||
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" I've never understood why sexual attraction has to explained, especially as I've never met anyone that is able to explain their own? Fair enough but that’s not the sort of question that originated the thread. It wasn’t about sexual attraction to one physical trait or another. It was about not wanting to meet bi men, which could be for many different sorts of reasons. But what if they find bisexual sex sexually unattractive? " It’s a very valid point. There’s been a lot of presumption that it’s the male half of the couple leading the decision. It could be that gay sex between 2 men is not a turn on to the woman and therefore doesn’t feel that connection with the guy that is necessary to proceed with the meet | |||
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" I've never understood why sexual attraction has to explained, especially as I've never met anyone that is able to explain their own? Fair enough but that’s not the sort of question that originated the thread. It wasn’t about sexual attraction to one physical trait or another. It was about not wanting to meet bi men, which could be for many different sorts of reasons. But what if they find bisexual sex sexually unattractive? " Then that's obviously the start of an interesting exploration. These statements are just not self evident, right? Like... Why does it matter if you find it sexually unattractive or not if your experience with that person has nothing to do with it in any way? | |||
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" It could be that gay sex between 2 men is not a turn on to the woman and therefore doesn’t feel that connection with the guy that is necessary to proceed with the meet " Dude, you seem to be missing the point at every single turn possible. What if you don't find accountancy to be a turn on? Should you therefore rule out accountants? A man *not* doing financial mathematics in my bed could be seen to be pretty equivalent to a man *not* having gay sex with me. Is that a good comparison? If not, why not? | |||
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"To be a preference for tall, dark, older mean screams of valid reasons. To feel protected, to feel dominated... All sorts. They might not be correct, but especially based in the societal norms you've grown up with, your preference is extremely reasonable and understandable. Because of reasons. Your assumption is wrong as I have no desire to feel “protected”. As I said, it’s a preference which doesn’t mean I exclusively seek older men (I don’t). How about preferring a “dad bod” to say an overly athletic body? Or having a preference for green eyes? Or finding more white men attractive than black men even though I’m a black woman? I’m all ears... ![]() I’m not fighting anything, you seem to be making a lot of assumptions. I don’t agree everyone has reasons, I don’t for many things and I doubt I’m the only one. ![]() | |||
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" I can't explain to anyone, even myself, why I find somethings sexually attractive and somethings a turn off. Like why do some people find guys with blonde hair more sexually attractive than guys with brunette hair? I've never understood why sexual attraction has to explained, especially as I've never met anyone that is able to explain their own? " ![]() | |||
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"It doesn't have to be explained at all. I never said that for a second. Just acknowledge there is stuff that got those feelings there. Even if you were born feeling that way in your DNA, that's a reason. So it's ok for there to be no reason? " Where did I say there was no reason?? | |||
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" But what if they find bisexual sex sexually unattractive? " Strange wording but yeah perhaps the bloke doesn’t want to feel sexual tension with the other man which is obviously fine - but even just articulating it that way goes one step further than the original statement, or the way you phrased it. It would be one possible answer to the question. Or maybe they’ve had bad experiences with bisexual , or something else still. You don’t know, I don’t know, that’s the point of the question. | |||
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" I've never understood why sexual attraction has to explained, especially as I've never met anyone that is able to explain their own? Fair enough but that’s not the sort of question that originated the thread. It wasn’t about sexual attraction to one physical trait or another. It was about not wanting to meet bi men, which could be for many different sorts of reasons. But what if they find bisexual sex sexually unattractive? Then that's obviously the start of an interesting exploration. These statements are just not self evident, right? Like... Why does it matter if you find it sexually unattractive or not if your experience with that person has nothing to do with it in any way? " Why would it not matter? The intricacies of attraction are complex and even when someone might tick all the boxes on paper so to speak it can often be the case the necessary spark just isn’t there. As I’m sure you know, most women even more than men, need to be mentally stimulated not just physically stimulated. Particularly when in the lifestyle single guys are 2 penny, I can see why it would be an easy way to filter out the potential “applicants”! | |||
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" I've never understood why sexual attraction has to explained, especially as I've never met anyone that is able to explain their own? Fair enough but that’s not the sort of question that originated the thread. It wasn’t about sexual attraction to one physical trait or another. It was about not wanting to meet bi men, which could be for many different sorts of reasons. " Exactly for many different sorts of reasons, or no reason at all. The OP really needs to ask those who have this on their profile as he won’t get *one* answer here. I don’t meet bi men because I am not turned on by the idea of two men being sexual together whether that be in-front of me or not. Some may not meet them because of risk etc etc. | |||
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" I've never understood why sexual attraction has to explained, especially as I've never met anyone that is able to explain their own? Fair enough but that’s not the sort of question that originated the thread. It wasn’t about sexual attraction to one physical trait or another. It was about not wanting to meet bi men, which could be for many different sorts of reasons. But what if they find bisexual sex sexually unattractive? Then that's obviously the start of an interesting exploration. These statements are just not self evident, right? Like... Why does it matter if you find it sexually unattractive or not if your experience with that person has nothing to do with it in any way? " But surely isn't that why people have preferences and should be able to say them on their profile? Isn't it a better idea to get it out there so to saving time messaging? Sexual preferences/attractions are very real ... I really wouldn't want sex with anyone that I wasn't sexually attracted to and do actually have one thing definitely that is a no attraction for me ... | |||
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" It could be that gay sex between 2 men is not a turn on to the woman and therefore doesn’t feel that connection with the guy that is necessary to proceed with the meet Dude, you seem to be missing the point at every single turn possible. What if you don't find accountancy to be a turn on? Should you therefore rule out accountants? A man *not* doing financial mathematics in my bed could be seen to be pretty equivalent to a man *not* having gay sex with me. Is that a good comparison? If not, why not? " First off, I’m not a dude. Secondly - why are you only quoting part of my comment? And finally, I’m not missing the point in the slightest. Your reply is arrogant and dismissive and shows you have no interest in engaging with anyone else’s opinion that doesn’t match up with your own. And quite frankly yes, if someone doesn’t want to have sex with accountants I wouldn’t have an issue with a person having that sexual preference. | |||
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" It could be that gay sex between 2 men is not a turn on to the woman and therefore doesn’t feel that connection with the guy that is necessary to proceed with the meet Dude, you seem to be missing the point at every single turn possible. What if you don't find accountancy to be a turn on? Should you therefore rule out accountants? A man *not* doing financial mathematics in my bed could be seen to be pretty equivalent to a man *not* having gay sex with me. Is that a good comparison? If not, why not? First off, I’m not a dude. Secondly - why are you only quoting part of my comment? And finally, I’m not missing the point in the slightest. Your reply is arrogant and dismissive and shows you have no interest in engaging with anyone else’s opinion that doesn’t match up with your own. And quite frankly yes, if someone doesn’t want to have sex with accountants I wouldn’t have an issue with a person having that sexual preference. " Everyone is a dude to me. Only quoting part to keep it short. Don't think I missed anything. Maybe I'm missing something, but to me it's a simple, and simply bizarre, situation of people thinking that *anything* can *ever* be the way it is without a reason. Maybe you can give an example of something in a different subject that has no reason for being what it is...? | |||
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" It could be that gay sex between 2 men is not a turn on to the woman and therefore doesn’t feel that connection with the guy that is necessary to proceed with the meet Dude, you seem to be missing the point at every single turn possible. What if you don't find accountancy to be a turn on? Should you therefore rule out accountants? A man *not* doing financial mathematics in my bed could be seen to be pretty equivalent to a man *not* having gay sex with me. Is that a good comparison? If not, why not? First off, I’m not a dude. Secondly - why are you only quoting part of my comment? And finally, I’m not missing the point in the slightest. Your reply is arrogant and dismissive and shows you have no interest in engaging with anyone else’s opinion that doesn’t match up with your own. And quite frankly yes, if someone doesn’t want to have sex with accountants I wouldn’t have an issue with a person having that sexual preference. Everyone is a dude to me. Only quoting part to keep it short. Don't think I missed anything. Maybe I'm missing something, but to me it's a simple, and simply bizarre, situation of people thinking that *anything* can *ever* be the way it is without a reason. Maybe you can give an example of something in a different subject that has no reason for being what it is...? " Why are gay men only attracted to men? Why are lesbians only attracted to women? | |||
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"The forums are a funny place....... Whenever the questions of why someone doesn’t like something or won’t meet someone... The answer is always “ PERSONAL CHOICE “ " What should the answer be? | |||
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" Why are gay men only attracted to men? Why are lesbians only attracted to women?" Erm... You do know there are thousands of books exploring these subjects in obscene, nerdy detail? | |||
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"The forums are a funny place....... Whenever the questions of why someone doesn’t like something or won’t meet someone... The answer is always “ PERSONAL CHOICE “ What should the answer be?" I wouldn’t have a clue..... if someone doesn’t like black men... I pass them by and try to find someone that does like black men.... I’m here for sex , not to psychoanalyze people.... | |||
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" Why are gay men only attracted to men? Why are lesbians only attracted to women? Erm... You do know there are thousands of books exploring these subjects in obscene, nerdy detail?" Are you trying to suggest sexuality is a choice that people are in control of? | |||
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" Why are gay men only attracted to men? Why are lesbians only attracted to women? Erm... You do know there are thousands of books exploring these subjects in obscene, nerdy detail? Are you trying to suggest sexuality is a choice that people are in control of?" Wow, you're just being a straight up troll now. Peace out etc. | |||
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" Why are gay men only attracted to men? Why are lesbians only attracted to women? Erm... You do know there are thousands of books exploring these subjects in obscene, nerdy detail? Are you trying to suggest sexuality is a choice that people are in control of? Wow, you're just being a straight up troll now. Peace out etc. " Ah the very definition of gas lighting... I’m definitely not the one being a troll. My point being there is no specific reason why same sex attraction occurs. If you hadn’t chosen to cut out the rest of our conversation it would be clear my response was in reply to you asking for examples of other behaviours to which there are no reason. I don’t subscribe to the opinions in books as they are heavily biased towards the opinions of a single person, the author. The large scale study published in 2019 in Science concluded there is no defined reason for sexual attraction, specifically same sex attraction, and that many genes appear to overlap and interact with sociocultural influences. You asked for a behaviour for which there is no clear defined reason. I gave you an example. I won’t be replying further as this isn’t a discussion anymore ![]() | |||
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" Why are gay men only attracted to men? Why are lesbians only attracted to women? Erm... You do know there are thousands of books exploring these subjects in obscene, nerdy detail? Are you trying to suggest sexuality is a choice that people are in control of? Wow, you're just being a straight up troll now. Peace out etc. Ah the very definition of gas lighting... I’m definitely not the one being a troll. My point being there is no specific reason why same sex attraction occurs. If you hadn’t chosen to cut out the rest of our conversation it would be clear my response was in reply to you asking for examples of other behaviours to which there are no reason. I don’t subscribe to the opinions in books as they are heavily biased towards the opinions of a single person, the author. The large scale study published in 2019 in Science concluded there is no defined reason for sexual attraction, specifically same sex attraction, and that many genes appear to overlap and interact with sociocultural influences. You asked for a behaviour for which there is no clear defined reason. I gave you an example. I won’t be replying further as this isn’t a discussion anymore ![]() Wonderful response. ![]() | |||
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"I would imagine it’s a combination of the higher prevalence of certain STD’s amongst men who participate in anal sex with other men and potentially the guy feeling uncomfortable in the scenario. It may not be that he thinks he’s going to be touched without consent, just that it’s a turn off for them. Mrs Twinkle Bi men are at slightly higher risk than none swinging straight guys, but exactly the same risk as straight swingers , according to figures i read some time back . The real joke is the number of " straight" bi guys that are on the site ..." If you still go to a hospital or clinic to get tested quite often the nurse (or professional you see) will make a point of how certain STIs are more prevalent amougst men who engage with sex with men (gay or bi). I had a female friend who went to the GU clinic for urine tests after a number of water infections. The urine tests are for chlamidya, gonorrhea. There was no mention of doing the blood test (for HIV etc) until she disclosed her recent ex was a bi sexual male. At that point she was bombarded with scary statistics and they insited on doing her bloods. She spent the next 5 days worried sick about potentially having HIV. The tests came back negative but the experience had an impact and to this day she won't go near bi sexual men. KJ | |||
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" Does an explanation make a preference more valid? To whom do we owe this explanation to and why do people feel entitled to one? I would feel the same way about biscuits to be honest: I hate oreos - I don't feel like I need to explain why - I just hate them. That's the way the cookie crumbles. For me anyway." No you are 100% incorrect. You must explain why you hate Oreos... you've taken it too far. No one hates Oreos. It's ok to not love them but... this... tut tut All Oreos? Double cream? Blonde? | |||
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"Pretty clear from the replies... prejudice, homophobia, hetrosexism. " What about people who go to gay bars, love talking to gays or people of any sexuality or colour but don't play with bi-men, would they be homophobic? | |||
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"Pretty clear from the replies... prejudice, homophobia, hetrosexism. " Am I reading a different thread? | |||
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"Pretty clear from the replies... prejudice, homophobia, hetrosexism. Am I reading a different thread? " I thought that but maybe I'm just sitting on the stoopid step lol | |||
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"Pretty clear from the replies... prejudice, homophobia, hetrosexism. " My reply was a piss take trying to lighten the mood.. I am bi myself so no your wrong !! | |||
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"Ultimately OP, it's just their choice, they will likely all have their own individual reasons, and they don't have to explain or justify those reasons to anyone. I'd say rather than wasting your energy trying to understand why some people don't want to meet you, instead focus your efforts on finding the ones who do. K" ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Pretty clear from the replies... prejudice, homophobia, hetrosexism. What about people who go to gay bars, love talking to gays or people of any sexuality or colour but don't play with bi-men, would they be homophobic?" It's certainly possible, depends what your reasons are. But then, we've talked before, and I know you're in the absurd "no reason" camp. | |||
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"I just read a M/F couple's comment that they would never meet Bi men. I completely accept that each person has total control over what they will and will not do, but I was wondering why their mindset would be that they feel this way? Is it that they think Bi men are less clean/healthy? Or do they think bi men will suddenly pounce on their man as they loose all self control? Or do they fear they can catch "the gey" Or is there some rational reason that I'm missing? Again, I do understand that each person must make their own choices, but I'm keen to try and understand people's views here. Ta, Gbat (Bi male) " You’re not what they want, it’s that simple. Block their profile, and move on to others who may be interested in you ![]() | |||
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"Pretty clear from the replies... prejudice, homophobia, hetrosexism. What about people who go to gay bars, love talking to gays or people of any sexuality or colour but don't play with bi-men, would they be homophobic? It's certainly possible, depends what your reasons are. But then, we've talked before, and I know you're in the absurd "no reason" camp. " We do have a reason. Everything has a reason! That really surprises us that homophobic people would go in a gay bar! Not sure of the reason though? | |||
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"I just read a M/F couple's comment that they would never meet Bi men. I completely accept that each person has total control over what they will and will not do, but I was wondering why their mindset would be that they feel this way? Is it that they think Bi men are less clean/healthy? Or do they think bi men will suddenly pounce on their man as they loose all self control? Or do they fear they can catch "the gey" Or is there some rational reason that I'm missing? Again, I do understand that each person must make their own choices, but I'm keen to try and understand people's views here. Ta, Gbat (Bi male) " it's called personal choice. Everyone has them. | |||
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" Why are gay men only attracted to men? Why are lesbians only attracted to women? Erm... You do know there are thousands of books exploring these subjects in obscene, nerdy detail? Are you trying to suggest sexuality is a choice that people are in control of? Wow, you're just being a straight up troll now. Peace out etc. " Reading the thread in full it definitely does not come across like she’s the troll in this scenario. Just saying. | |||
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"Would be a multitude of different reasons for different people." This! Personally not an anti anyone just personal preference. | |||
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"I would imagine it’s a combination of the higher prevalence of certain STD’s amongst men who participate in anal sex with other men and potentially the guy feeling uncomfortable in the scenario. It may not be that he thinks he’s going to be touched without consent, just that it’s a turn off for them. Mrs Twinkle Bi men are at slightly higher risk than none swinging straight guys, but exactly the same risk as straight swingers , according to figures i read some time back . The real joke is the number of " straight" bi guys that are on the site ... If you still go to a hospital or clinic to get tested quite often the nurse (or professional you see) will make a point of how certain STIs are more prevalent amougst men who engage with sex with men (gay or bi). I had a female friend who went to the GU clinic for urine tests after a number of water infections. The urine tests are for chlamidya, gonorrhea. There was no mention of doing the blood test (for HIV etc) until she disclosed her recent ex was a bi sexual male. At that point she was bombarded with scary statistics and they insited on doing her bloods. She spent the next 5 days worried sick about potentially having HIV. The tests came back negative but the experience had an impact and to this day she won't go near bi sexual men. KJ " Bi/gay guys , swingers and sex workers all fall under the same bracket at the clinic. If you tell the absolute truth when there you will get the full tests. Every time I have been they always ask if i want to be screened for hiv . And for the couple near the top of the thread that state they will never ever meet bi men , you might want to hide your verifications from bi men ![]() | |||
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"I just read a M/F couple's comment that they would never meet Bi men. I completely accept that each person has total control over what they will and will not do, but I was wondering why their mindset would be that they feel this way? Is it that they think Bi men are less clean/healthy? Or do they think bi men will suddenly pounce on their man as they loose all self control? Or do they fear they can catch "the gey" Or is there some rational reason that I'm missing? Again, I do understand that each person must make their own choices, but I'm keen to try and understand people's views here. Ta, Gbat (Bi male) " We don't meet bi-guys because the thought that the guy finds men attractive is a turn off. | |||
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"It really doesn't matter..........[ ...] Their choice isn't harming anyone. Of course! It's the forum though, so I thought I'd chat about it. Ta, Gbat Yes, I never understand that sort of response. We're here to discuss stuff, it's not meant to "matter" BTW. The answer is usually homophobia, but I'm sure we both knew that already. " explain please. | |||
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"Them gays got bad shit n they is dodgy as fuck hangin round bogs n lorries. Bi just means gay but as a wife cos they is feels shame. Don meet no gays cos you will catch mincing n aids n shit. I cant watch This Morning no more n all the soaps got gays in em. That int real. No gays in my village. To be fair, I wouldn't want a meet with anyone who doesn't want me there for any reason they have. It is up to them. ![]() ![]() I thought you quoted that first bit...! Agree with the second bit. ![]() | |||
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"It seems that sometimes people from an excluded demographic require an explanation as to why they are excluded, not to understand why, but to force the other party to either admit a bias or to persuade them that they are in some way wrong. The use of "personal choice" is seemed an invalid response but the simple fact is, we are under no obligation to sleep with everyone and anyone. Choosing not to play with someone because of their previous partners is a choice we are all free to make. Choosing to not play with bi men shouldn't and need not be criticised, irrespect ive of the reasons why. People shouldn't demand an explanation. People shouldn't have to explain. " Perfectly put. | |||
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"Some people are ashamed of their own opinions because they know deep down the basis is something like homophobia. That would explain why some get so defensive and try to shut down conversation. " By not meeting men as you’re a straight male does that make you homophobic? If not, what’s your reason? | |||
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"I'm not going to meet bi men for the simple reason I couldn't stand being rejected by them as well as women.... ![]() Consider yourself accepted if you want to try. ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"It seems that sometimes people from an excluded demographic require an explanation as to why they are excluded, not to understand why, but to force the other party to either admit a bias or to persuade them that they are in some way wrong. The use of "personal choice" is seemed an invalid response but the simple fact is, we are under no obligation to sleep with everyone and anyone. Choosing not to play with someone because of their previous partners is a choice we are all free to make. Choosing to not play with bi men shouldn't and need not be criticised, irrespect ive of the reasons why. People shouldn't demand an explanation. People shouldn't have to explain. " I totally agree with most of this, and I'd like to think that anyone reading what i'd written, rather than what they decided I think will see that's the case. No one deserves a reason, no one is obliged to given one that passes someones elses satisfaction at all. Of course not. However none of that covers the fact that reasons, often very interesting ones that are fascinating to explore, will still exist. | |||
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"I have many gay friends and would happily share a woman with a bi male but I don't find men sexually attractive. I feel my point was completely missed. SOME is the key word. Some people disguise their homophobia as just a preference. For others it could be a bad experience or whatever reasons. I'm not judging anyone specifically or calling people out. Just giving my thoughts on why some dislike the conversation. ![]() ![]() People missing your point? Here? Surely not! Yeah I agree, plenty of reasons are possible. As I said ages ago somewhere, people only seem to cling to "no reason" when there's a path towards a controversial opinion. No one is aggressively defending their right to have "no reason" to prefer tea to coffee. They'll happily talk about the taste, the ability to dunk biscuits, the ease, the variety, or maybe deep psychological scarring that somehow relates to coffee from their childhood... but I don't see anyone taking the route that people do here when issues of homophobia, racism etc. aren't potentially lurking. | |||
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"I have many gay friends and would happily share a woman with a bi male but I don't find men sexually attractive. I feel my point was completely missed. SOME is the key word. Some people disguise their homophobia as just a preference. For others it could be a bad experience or whatever reasons. I'm not judging anyone specifically or calling people out. Just giving my thoughts on why some dislike the conversation. ![]() ![]() Would you prefer people to openly state that they are racist, homophobic etc? If a person is respectful, treats others as they wish to be treated, behaves totally appropriate at all times and keeps their thoughts and views to themselves, surely they can be left to their own thoughts without fear of criticism, providing they never share their thoughts or act in a way that descriminates in their daily lives? I won't meet gay men. I am not attracted to men. I have my reasons. I will not treat gay men in a way that disrespects them as individuals, but I'm not going to sleep with them. What about men who only want to sleep with eastern european women? Is it because they find eastern european women sexy or because of a darker, more sinister reason? Your desire to find out the "real reason" why people express a preference puts you in the same bracket as the Witchhunter General. You have decided the answer, now you need to have that answer confirmed. | |||
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"Would you prefer people to openly state that they are racist, homophobic etc?" Well we all know almost no one thinks they're guilty of any negative prejudice, so that's not an option. "If a person is respectful, treats others as they wish to be treated, behaves totally appropriate at all times and keeps their thoughts and views to themselves, surely they can be left to their own thoughts without fear of criticism, providing they never share their thoughts or act in a way that descriminates in their daily lives? " Yep, totally agree. But shouting out blanket profile statements like "NO BI GUYS!!!" isn't respectful, nor treating others as they wish to be treated. " I won't meet gay men. I am not attracted to men. I have my reasons. I will not treat gay men in a way that disrespects them as individuals, but I'm not going to sleep with them. What about men who only want to sleep with eastern european women? Is it because they find eastern european women sexy or because of a darker, more sinister reason? " Cool. Reasons. Awesome, job done. ANd yep, all interesting discussions, sexual preferences are really fascinating. " Your desire to find out the "real reason" why people express a preference puts you in the same bracket as the Witchhunter General. You have decided the answer, now you need to have that answer confirmed." Oh no, I haven't decided what the reason is, I've merely decided there IS a reason, just like said you have. No one is obliged to give theirs. In many cases though, other people are entitled to quietly, and respectfully make their own presumptions of those reasons in the absence of another one. | |||
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" Oh no, I haven't decided what the reason is, I've merely decided there IS a reason, just like said you have. No one is obliged to give theirs. In many cases though, other people are entitled to quietly, and respectfully make their own presumptions of those reasons in the absence of another one." Sometimes without analysing you don’t know why, it’s just a gut reaction. It’s easy to know why you prefer the taste of something, but not always why you have a preference for other things. Some things are more complex and not as obvious. Often people are happy to just trust their gut feeling and leave it at that. It’s not always for unpleasant reasons. | |||
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" Oh no, I haven't decided what the reason is, I've merely decided there IS a reason, just like said you have. No one is obliged to give theirs. In many cases though, other people are entitled to quietly, and respectfully make their own presumptions of those reasons in the absence of another one. Sometimes without analysing you don’t know why, it’s just a gut reaction. It’s easy to know why you prefer the taste of something, but not always why you have a preference for other things. Some things are more complex and not as obvious. Often people are happy to just trust their gut feeling and leave it at that. It’s not always for unpleasant reasons. " Absolutely agree. It can be very very hard to know why you feel the way you do. | |||
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"I have many gay friends and would happily share a woman with a bi male but I don't find men sexually attractive. I feel my point was completely missed. SOME is the key word. Some people disguise their homophobia as just a preference. For others it could be a bad experience or whatever reasons. I'm not judging anyone specifically or calling people out. Just giving my thoughts on why some dislike the conversation. ![]() ![]() Spot on. ![]() | |||
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"People shouldn't demand an explanation. People shouldn't have to explain." Quite right! But I don't think anyone has demanded an explanation and no one has been forced to read or add any comments. Can I just clarify for anyone still bothering to read any of this. I don't want to persuade anyone to change their minds, nor am I worried that I'm excluded. I don't need to get over it or move on as I'm not hung up on any of this, just curious. Thanks for all that have taken the time to add something. Gbat. | |||
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"I just read a M/F couple's comment that they would never meet Bi men. I completely accept that each person has total control over what they will and will not do, but I was wondering why their mindset would be that they feel this way? Is it that they think Bi men are less clean/healthy? Or do they think bi men will suddenly pounce on their man as they loose all self control? Or do they fear they can catch "the gey" Or is there some rational reason that I'm missing? Again, I do understand that each person must make their own choices, but I'm keen to try and understand people's views here. Ta, Gbat (Bi male) " It's not a rational reason for everyone but some might but others its just people's preference I wouldn't worry about it pal ![]() | |||
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"People shouldn't demand an explanation. People shouldn't have to explain. Quite right! But I don't think anyone has demanded an explanation and no one has been forced to read or add any comments. Can I just clarify for anyone still bothering to read any of this. I don't want to persuade anyone to change their minds, nor am I worried that I'm excluded. I don't need to get over it or move on as I'm not hung up on any of this, just curious. Thanks for all that have taken the time to add something. Gbat." Gbat, you seem like a nice Man and when allowed there will be many couples looking for Bi-men, so you may be in luck. We explained on a previous thread very simply why we prefer not to play with Bi-men. The thread then turned racist, so we gave up explaining why we play how we do. Best of luck in your search and happy swinging. ![]() | |||
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"I would imagine it’s a combination of the higher prevalence of certain STD’s amongst men who participate in anal sex with other men and potentially the guy feeling uncomfortable in the scenario. It may not be that he thinks he’s going to be touched without consent, just that it’s a turn off for them. Mrs Twinkle " I find bi and gay guys are tested much more than heterosexuals | |||
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"I just read a M/F couple's comment that they would never meet Bi men. I completely accept that each person has total control over what they will and will not do, but I was wondering why their mindset would be that they feel this way? Is it that they think Bi men are less clean/healthy? Or do they think bi men will suddenly pounce on their man as they loose all self control? Or do they fear they can catch "the gey" Or is there some rational reason that I'm missing? Again, I do understand that each person must make their own choices, but I'm keen to try and understand people's views here. Ta, Gbat (Bi male) " We don't meet males but even if we did we wouldn't meet bi males. We understand your curiosity, but at the same time we do not feel that anyone should have to explain their personal choices. | |||
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"I just read a M/F couple's comment that they would never meet Bi men. I completely accept that each person has total control over what they will and will not do, but I was wondering why their mindset would be that they feel this way? Is it that they think Bi men are less clean/healthy? Or do they think bi men will suddenly pounce on their man as they loose all self control? Or do they fear they can catch "the gey" Or is there some rational reason that I'm missing? Again, I do understand that each person must make their own choices, but I'm keen to try and understand people's views here. Ta, Gbat (Bi male) We don't meet males but even if we did we wouldn't meet bi males. We understand your curiosity, but at the same time we do not feel that anyone should have to explain their personal choices. " That’s an interesting stance. If you didn’t want to clarify, then why post? No one is forcing anyone to explain or to meet people that they don’t want to, however dismissing a whole group of people based on preconceived negative opinions is the definition of discrimination. Dressing it as ‘personal preference’ doesn’t change that | |||
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"There doesn’t have to be a logical explanation, may be just purely based on sexual preferences. I don’t sexually like men with beards, no reason. I don’t think it’s unclean, or they are bad people. No logical reason other than I don’t find it sexually attractive. " There’s a difference between how a person looks and a person’s sexuality though. You can’t see a person’s sexuality | |||
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"There doesn’t have to be a logical explanation, may be just purely based on sexual preferences. I don’t sexually like men with beards, no reason. I don’t think it’s unclean, or they are bad people. No logical reason other than I don’t find it sexually attractive. There’s a difference between how a person looks and a person’s sexuality though. You can’t see a person’s sexuality" But your allowed to find something sexually attractive or not. Wether it’s looks or sexuality (or any protected other characteristic). Doesn’t mean you don’t like the group of people included/ or think any bad of anyone. Just purely sexual preference xx | |||
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"There doesn’t have to be a logical explanation, may be just purely based on sexual preferences. I don’t sexually like men with beards, no reason. I don’t think it’s unclean, or they are bad people. No logical reason other than I don’t find it sexually attractive. There’s a difference between how a person looks and a person’s sexuality though. You can’t see a person’s sexuality But your allowed to find something sexually attractive or not. Wether it’s looks or sexuality (or any protected other characteristic). Doesn’t mean you don’t like the group of people included/ or think any bad of anyone. Just purely sexual preference xx " We're *still* using the p word and thinking that's a valid answer? I actually somehow mentioned this to my therapist the other day, and she literally laughed out loud at the idea that *anything* can exist without a reason, whether understood or not. | |||
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"I just read a M/F couple's comment that they would never meet Bi men. I completely accept that each person has total control over what they will and will not do, but I was wondering why their mindset would be that they feel this way? Is it that they think Bi men are less clean/healthy? Or do they think bi men will suddenly pounce on their man as they loose all self control? Or do they fear they can catch "the gey" Or is there some rational reason that I'm missing? Again, I do understand that each person must make their own choices, but I'm keen to try and understand people's views here. Ta, Gbat (Bi male) " I think its a mixture of those three reasons. Hardly the most progressive place but ho hum. | |||
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"There doesn’t have to be a logical explanation, may be just purely based on sexual preferences. I don’t sexually like men with beards, no reason. I don’t think it’s unclean, or they are bad people. No logical reason other than I don’t find it sexually attractive. There’s a difference between how a person looks and a person’s sexuality though. You can’t see a person’s sexuality But your allowed to find something sexually attractive or not. Wether it’s looks or sexuality (or any protected other characteristic). Doesn’t mean you don’t like the group of people included/ or think any bad of anyone. Just purely sexual preference xx We're *still* using the p word and thinking that's a valid answer? I actually somehow mentioned this to my therapist the other day, and she literally laughed out loud at the idea that *anything* can exist without a reason, whether understood or not. " I like your therapist ![]() | |||
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"There doesn’t have to be a logical explanation, may be just purely based on sexual preferences. I don’t sexually like men with beards, no reason. I don’t think it’s unclean, or they are bad people. No logical reason other than I don’t find it sexually attractive. There’s a difference between how a person looks and a person’s sexuality though. You can’t see a person’s sexuality" Very true. However attraction can come into it. I don’t find the idea of men sleeping with men a turn on, so I don’t meet bisexual males. I have nothing against bisexual males nor would I treat them any differently in any other situation. Equally as I find myself more attracted to white men than black men, and I’m a black woman. No doubt there are homophobic, racist, sexist people out there! | |||
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"It is prejudice disguised as preference In every case?" Well in the first instance "prejudice" isn't inherently good or bad. I'm deeply prejudiced against cuddling wasps nests... In these scenarios I would still feel it's a negative prejudice whenever these things are turned into blanket rules. That's not to say any malice is intended though, but in purely technical terms most things can be classed that way. These feelings have decades of cultural influences, and can so easily naturally align to what you're positively used to in those situations, again with no intentional negative views of those demographics you reject. However you then should be thinking carefully about how you enact your preferences... | |||
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"Bi guy here.. absolutely no other to me whatsoever of folk say that they don’t meet Bi guys. A million and one reasons why, some sound, some may be dubious, but either way, why would I want to pursue someone who didn’t want to meet me? The one red line in all of this is consent, and if that isn’t delivered with enthusiasm, then it ain’t for me! " Spot on. If you look through almost every profile on here it will quote preferences, bi, straight, small cock, big cock, tall, slim, no beard, smooth shaved, age etc etc. A preference is a preference we all have them. | |||
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"When we first starting swinging we met single men for straight MFM, it didn't matter if they were bi or not as long as they knew it was a straight MFM. We had a meet with a bi man who overstepped the boundaries we had all set which made us feel really uncomfortable and we ended the meet. As we had limited time as to when we could meet we decided only meeting men who said they were straight after that " For arguments sake if a straight guy had over stepped the mark and did something to the female half of the couple that you didn’t like would you stop meeting straight guys ? Or would you think oh a one off? Or if the male or female in a couple did something you had asked not to be done would you stop meeting couples ? Or is it just that because the man touched the man ? In your instance it sounds like the individual was the problem not the sexuality. | |||
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"Bi guy here.. absolutely no other to me whatsoever of folk say that they don’t meet Bi guys. A million and one reasons why, some sound, some may be dubious, but either way, why would I want to pursue someone who didn’t want to meet me? The one red line in all of this is consent, and if that isn’t delivered with enthusiasm, then it ain’t for me! Spot on. If you look through almost every profile on here it will quote preferences, bi, straight, small cock, big cock, tall, slim, no beard, smooth shaved, age etc etc. A preference is a preference we all have them. " You seem to have utterly missed the only actual important point here. Just like so many others have. | |||
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"Bi guy here.. absolutely no other to me whatsoever of folk say that they don’t meet Bi guys. A million and one reasons why, some sound, some may be dubious, but either way, why would I want to pursue someone who didn’t want to meet me? The one red line in all of this is consent, and if that isn’t delivered with enthusiasm, then it ain’t for me! Spot on. If you look through almost every profile on here it will quote preferences, bi, straight, small cock, big cock, tall, slim, no beard, smooth shaved, age etc etc. A preference is a preference we all have them. " Yep, the whole point of a swinger site is that it kind of removes some of the ‘dance’ that happens in a bar or club. We literally tick boxes to say what we like. ![]() | |||
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"As a bi man I'm going to state some unpopular facts. But they are facts. HIV is far more prevalent in the gay and bi community then straight. The majority of western women who catch HIV through sex do so from sleeping with men who have sex with other men. I have been turned down many times for being openly bi and Im totally OK with that. Preferance does not mean discrimination " Good post and well done to you for being honest about your situation and accepting other people's right to choose. | |||
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"When we first starting swinging we met single men for straight MFM, it didn't matter if they were bi or not as long as they knew it was a straight MFM. We had a meet with a bi man who overstepped the boundaries we had all set which made us feel really uncomfortable and we ended the meet. As we had limited time as to when we could meet we decided only meeting men who said they were straight after that For arguments sake if a straight guy had over stepped the mark and did something to the female half of the couple that you didn’t like would you stop meeting straight guys ? Or would you think oh a one off? Or if the male or female in a couple did something you had asked not to be done would you stop meeting couples ? Or is it just that because the man touched the man ? In your instance it sounds like the individual was the problem not the sexuality. " Yes I guess it's the nature over the over step, and why it felt so specifically egregious..? What I was just wondering here though is that I do see a logic in this position for a couple. But this same rule surely couldn't apply for a single woman.... Right? There is obviously literally no way whatsoever someones bi status could possibly matter in a simple MF encounter... Right? | |||
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" Preferance does not mean discrimination " Enacting a preference is literally definition of the word "discrimination". How you can possibly write that sentence is just baffling... | |||
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"When we first starting swinging we met single men for straight MFM, it didn't matter if they were bi or not as long as they knew it was a straight MFM. We had a meet with a bi man who overstepped the boundaries we had all set which made us feel really uncomfortable and we ended the meet. As we had limited time as to when we could meet we decided only meeting men who said they were straight after that For arguments sake if a straight guy had over stepped the mark and did something to the female half of the couple that you didn’t like would you stop meeting straight guys ? Or would you think oh a one off? Or if the male or female in a couple did something you had asked not to be done would you stop meeting couples ? Or is it just that because the man touched the man ? In your instance it sounds like the individual was the problem not the sexuality. Yes I guess it's the nature over the over step, and why it felt so specifically egregious..? What I was just wondering here though is that I do see a logic in this position for a couple. But this same rule surely couldn't apply for a single woman.... Right? There is obviously literally no way whatsoever someones bi status could possibly matter in a simple MF encounter... Right? " It is simple. As a female I find the thought of a man fancying another man as much as me a huge turn off. | |||
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"Good post and well done to you for being honest about your situation and accepting other people's right to choose. " So the fact my wife likes sucking cock is totally fine by you, but the fact that I do to, albeit to a significantly lesser extent, is not acceptable and means you'd refuse to meet us for that specific fact alone... Have a think about that eh? There's a word for that. | |||
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"It is simple. As a female I find the thought of a man fancying another man as much as me a huge turn off. " Yep, can't deny that it is indeed very simple... | |||
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"Good post and well done to you for being honest about your situation and accepting other people's right to choose. So the fact my wife likes sucking cock is totally fine by you, but the fact that I do to, albeit to a significantly lesser extent, is not acceptable and means you'd refuse to meet us for that specific fact alone... Have a think about that eh? There's a word for that. " Yeah the word is preference. | |||
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"Good post and well done to you for being honest about your situation and accepting other people's right to choose. So the fact my wife likes sucking cock is totally fine by you, but the fact that I do to, albeit to a significantly lesser extent, is not acceptable and means you'd refuse to meet us for that specific fact alone... Have a think about that eh? There's a word for that. " Have a think about our profile. We are only looking for a man to have fun with me. Mr Flirty does not play. There's a word for peoiple who don't read profiles and make ill informed assumptions. | |||
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"Good post and well done to you for being honest about your situation and accepting other people's right to choose. So the fact my wife likes sucking cock is totally fine by you, but the fact that I do to, albeit to a significantly lesser extent, is not acceptable and means you'd refuse to meet us for that specific fact alone... Have a think about that eh? There's a word for that. Yeah the word is preference. " Remember how you weren't going to reply to me anymore? | |||
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"Good post and well done to you for being honest about your situation and accepting other people's right to choose. So the fact my wife likes sucking cock is totally fine by you, but the fact that I do to, albeit to a significantly lesser extent, is not acceptable and means you'd refuse to meet us for that specific fact alone... Have a think about that eh? There's a word for that. Yeah the word is preference. Remember how you weren't going to reply to me anymore? " I suggest you re read this thread and take a look at who actually said that. Here’s a clue... it wasn’t me. | |||
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"Have a think about our profile. We are only looking for a man to have fun with me. Mr Flirty does not play. There's a word for peoiple who don't read profiles and make ill informed assumptions." I must apologise, I saw you screaming STRAIGHT all over your profile and gave you the slight credit that you'd at least be worrying another man might touch your husband. Given even that isn't the case, it really is, as you said, extremely simple. Thanks for the clarity. | |||
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"Probably worried about the aids epidemic." Some stats of interest There were 4139 new cases of HIV in 2019 in The uk 1700 were bi or gay men. Another 1300 were straight men and 1100 women. Bi and gay sex cases were down 47% from 2014 but females were up 33% from 2014 Of the 100,000 people with hiv two thirds are male | |||
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"Bi guy here.. absolutely no other to me whatsoever of folk say that they don’t meet Bi guys. A million and one reasons why, some sound, some may be dubious, but either way, why would I want to pursue someone who didn’t want to meet me? The one red line in all of this is consent, and if that isn’t delivered with enthusiasm, then it ain’t for me! Spot on. If you look through almost every profile on here it will quote preferences, bi, straight, small cock, big cock, tall, slim, no beard, smooth shaved, age etc etc. A preference is a preference we all have them. You seem to have utterly missed the only actual important point here. Just like so many others have. " Not at all, the important point here is that people have preferences, just because one of them is not wanting to meet bi guys doesn’t make it any different. | |||
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"Have a think about our profile. We are only looking for a man to have fun with me. Mr Flirty does not play. There's a word for peoiple who don't read profiles and make ill informed assumptions. I must apologise, I saw you screaming STRAIGHT all over your profile and gave you the slight credit that you'd at least be worrying another man might touch your husband. Given even that isn't the case, it really is, as you said, extremely simple. Thanks for the clarity. " Apology accepeted ![]() | |||
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"Honestly some people here are nuts. It's like they think not wanting to meet them for sex is some sort of crime. Should a straight female be forced to meet bi/gay females when all she wants is a strsight guy. Just because a bi guy has a cock that doesn't mean every female in the world has to fancy him. Get real people. We all make choices about who we sleep with and there's a word for that. Choice." Are you deliberately missing the point, or too fearful of the logical consequences of acknowledging it? You're clearly intelligent yet seem intent on only having have a thought here. I can try and spell out once again that you have a choice. And your choice is made from your views, feelings and knowledge of whatever subject is in question. You don't have to understand, justify or explain those feelings at all, but they still exist, otherwise you wouldn't be making a choice in the first place. | |||
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"Probably worried about the aids epidemic. Some stats of interest There were 4139 new cases of HIV in 2019 in The uk 1700 were bi or gay men. Another 1300 were straight men and 1100 women. Bi and gay sex cases were down 47% from 2014 but females were up 33% from 2014 Of the 100,000 people with hiv two thirds are male " haha you can't have actually thought I was been serious... | |||
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"Probably worried about the aids epidemic. Some stats of interest There were 4139 new cases of HIV in 2019 in The uk 1700 were bi or gay men. Another 1300 were straight men and 1100 women. Bi and gay sex cases were down 47% from 2014 but females were up 33% from 2014 Of the 100,000 people with hiv two thirds are male haha you can't have actually thought I was been serious..." Maybe not you but People do think that way though. Another 5 years and the stats show that there will be minimal transmission between the gay community. As they have been through the trauma of the aids past and are more sexually aware and tested more regularly than straight guys. | |||
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"Good post and well done to you for being honest about your situation and accepting other people's right to choose. So the fact my wife likes sucking cock is totally fine by you, but the fact that I do to, albeit to a significantly lesser extent, is not acceptable and means you'd refuse to meet us for that specific fact alone... Have a think about that eh? There's a word for that. Yeah the word is preference. Remember how you weren't going to reply to me anymore? " No apology for getting it wrong? Ah well! | |||
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"I just read a M/F couple's comment that they would never meet Bi men. I completely accept that each person has total control over what they will and will not do, but I was wondering why their mindset would be that they feel this way? Is it that they think Bi men are less clean/healthy? Or do they think bi men will suddenly pounce on their man as they loose all self control? Or do they fear they can catch "the gey" Or is there some rational reason that I'm missing? Again, I do understand that each person must make their own choices, but I'm keen to try and understand people's views here. Ta, Gbat (Bi male) We don't meet males but even if we did we wouldn't meet bi males. We understand your curiosity, but at the same time we do not feel that anyone should have to explain their personal choices. That’s an interesting stance. If you didn’t want to clarify, then why post? No one is forcing anyone to explain or to meet people that they don’t want to, however dismissing a whole group of people based on preconceived negative opinions is the definition of discrimination. Dressing it as ‘personal preference’ doesn’t change that" Glad you find it interesting, and by all means call it what you want. Just to point out, it isn't a a preconceived opinion. We just have absolutely no interest in bisexual men. However without trying to appear argumentative we happen to value free will and freedom of choice very highly. If we choose something or someone to exclude without causing offence, then that is our choice and we do not need to clarify. Too many people like to call the discrimination card when they don't know what discrimination is. Frankly, we see it as an insult to the people who are really being discriminated against. A personal choice being call discrimination? What next?? Being forced to do something you don't like. Is that what comes next? Let is fire a question back then. Whilst we accept that everyone has total control of what they want to do, what mindset makes someone bisexual instead of straight? Is it a mindset, or is it just personal preference?? We never question the fact that it someone else's preference and we totally respect it, and never question it. Strange that. | |||
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"When we first starting swinging we met single men for straight MFM, it didn't matter if they were bi or not as long as they knew it was a straight MFM. We had a meet with a bi man who overstepped the boundaries we had all set which made us feel really uncomfortable and we ended the meet. As we had limited time as to when we could meet we decided only meeting men who said they were straight after that For arguments sake if a straight guy had over stepped the mark and did something to the female half of the couple that you didn’t like would you stop meeting straight guys ? " Funnily enough, the last meet we had put me ( Mrs ) off for a long while for overstepping boundaries so I am guessing the answer is yes. We didn't ever meet couples. You assume the man touched Mr Ruggers. I don't know whether it was the man himself having no respect for what had been decided before the meet or he couldn't control his urges, we didn't ask, we just chucked him out | |||
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