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The psychology of sub space.
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By *icentious OP Couple
over a year ago
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It is easy to understand how subspace develops, the product it creates baffles me.
It is a massive release from cognitive and conscious thinking and I’m told an ecstatics release of extreme physical and hormonal tensions.
However, the come down can be intense.
What is it in the rush that almost becomes addictive to subject yourself to the drop? |
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over a year ago
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"It is easy to understand how subspace develops, the product it creates baffles me.
It is a massive release from cognitive and conscious thinking and I’m told an ecstatics release of extreme physical and hormonal tensions.
However, the come down can be intense.
What is it in the rush that almost becomes addictive to subject yourself to the drop?"
You kind of answered your own question before you asked it: "It is a massive release from cognitive and conscious thinking and I’m told an ecstatics release of extreme physical and hormonal tensions." and along those lines. |
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By *icentious OP Couple
over a year ago
Up on them there hills |
"It is easy to understand how subspace develops, the product it creates baffles me.
It is a massive release from cognitive and conscious thinking and I’m told an ecstatics release of extreme physical and hormonal tensions.
However, the come down can be intense.
What is it in the rush that almost becomes addictive to subject yourself to the drop?
You kind of answered your own question before you asked it: "It is a massive release from cognitive and conscious thinking and I’m told an ecstatics release of extreme physical and hormonal tensions." and along those lines."
Think the question is, is it addictive and does that draw you into a D/s scene? |
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"It is easy to understand how subspace develops, the product it creates baffles me.
It is a massive release from cognitive and conscious thinking and I’m told an ecstatics release of extreme physical and hormonal tensions.
However, the come down can be intense.
What is it in the rush that almost becomes addictive to subject yourself to the drop?
You kind of answered your own question before you asked it: "It is a massive release from cognitive and conscious thinking and I’m told an ecstatics release of extreme physical and hormonal tensions." and along those lines.
Think the question is, is it addictive and does that draw you into a D/s scene?"
Personally yes, it is addictive. |
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By *icentious OP Couple
over a year ago
Up on them there hills |
"It is easy to understand how subspace develops, the product it creates baffles me.
It is a massive release from cognitive and conscious thinking and I’m told an ecstatics release of extreme physical and hormonal tensions.
However, the come down can be intense.
What is it in the rush that almost becomes addictive to subject yourself to the drop?
You kind of answered your own question before you asked it: "It is a massive release from cognitive and conscious thinking and I’m told an ecstatics release of extreme physical and hormonal tensions." and along those lines.
Think the question is, is it addictive and does that draw you into a D/s scene?
Personally yes, it is addictive."
Thank you.
Purely for interest, the balance of physical, intellect and emotional needs, important to you? |
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Yes it can be addictive, similar to other ways of achieving natural or artificial alternative state of mind.
As for the drop afterwards, partly depends on your partner and how they handle you and how you react, you can often avoid the drop after. But then everybody has different reactions so it's always better with someone who knows you well.
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By *icentious OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Yes it can be addictive, similar to other ways of achieving natural or artificial alternative state of mind.
As for the drop afterwards, partly depends on your partner and how they handle you and how you react, you can often avoid the drop after. But then everybody has different reactions so it's always better with someone who knows you well.
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Is drop proportional to the high? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Thank you.
Purely for interest, the balance of physical, intellect and emotional needs, important to you?"
Everything is important. Has to be the full package and the right one for both parties. |
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By *icentious OP Couple
over a year ago
Up on them there hills |
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Thank you.
Purely for interest, the balance of physical, intellect and emotional needs, important to you?
Everything is important. Has to be the full package and the right one for both parties."
If you don’t mind me asking, what’s your thoughts on D/s porn play on the internet? |
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"Yes it can be addictive, similar to other ways of achieving natural or artificial alternative state of mind.
As for the drop afterwards, partly depends on your partner and how they handle you and how you react, you can often avoid the drop after. But then everybody has different reactions so it's always better with someone who knows you well.
Is drop proportional to the high?"
Hmmm, that is an interesting question. On balance I would say it is a factor but not entirely. Depends on all sorts of things from who you are with, where and what you have been doing. |
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Thank you.
Purely for interest, the balance of physical, intellect and emotional needs, important to you?
Everything is important. Has to be the full package and the right one for both parties."
Agree with this, full package sums it up just right. If there is a connection to the physical and emotional between the parties as well as the activity then so much better. But then I guess that is pretty much common sense.
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By *icentious OP Couple
over a year ago
Up on them there hills |
"Yes it can be addictive, similar to other ways of achieving natural or artificial alternative state of mind.
As for the drop afterwards, partly depends on your partner and how they handle you and how you react, you can often avoid the drop after. But then everybody has different reactions so it's always better with someone who knows you well.
Is drop proportional to the high?
Hmmm, that is an interesting question. On balance I would say it is a factor but not entirely. Depends on all sorts of things from who you are with, where and what you have been doing."
Wondering, what was the circumstances around the “not nicest drop”?
Fully understand if you don’t want to tell me. |
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By *icentious OP Couple
over a year ago
Up on them there hills |
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Thank you.
Purely for interest, the balance of physical, intellect and emotional needs, important to you?
Everything is important. Has to be the full package and the right one for both parties.
Agree with this, full package sums it up just right. If there is a connection to the physical and emotional between the parties as well as the activity then so much better. But then I guess that is pretty much common sense.
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Haha, not to everyone. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Sub space comes from the disproportionately larger endorphin releases into your system that comes with trauma/impact/psychological play.
The easiest way to link sub space with sub drop is to think about drinking alcohol and getting a hangover the next day. You drink enough and you will get a hangover; you can mitigate the effects of a hangover, everyone had difference tolerances to alcohol and it effects everyone differently however the basic premise is the same.
Sub space does not always equal sub drop, everyone is different. Most submissive’s know the best way for them to mitigate sub drop and to manage it. Dominants should be aware of these requirements and take steps to meet them.
I hope that answers the question. I have no doubt people will disagree but this is the simplest way I have found to explain it.
Mr HH
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By (user no longer on site)
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Thank you.
Purely for interest, the balance of physical, intellect and emotional needs, important to you?
Everything is important. Has to be the full package and the right one for both parties.
If you don’t mind me asking, what’s your thoughts on D/s porn play on the internet?"
Same as the rest of the porn - made for show with little truth. |
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By *icentious OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Sub space comes from the disproportionately larger endorphin releases into your system that comes with trauma/impact/psychological play.
The easiest way to link sub space with sub drop is to think about drinking alcohol and getting a hangover the next day. You drink enough and you will get a hangover; you can mitigate the effects of a hangover, everyone had difference tolerances to alcohol and it effects everyone differently however the basic premise is the same.
Sub space does not always equal sub drop, everyone is different. Most submissive’s know the best way for them to mitigate sub drop and to manage it. Dominants should be aware of these requirements and take steps to meet them.
I hope that answers the question. I have no doubt people will disagree but this is the simplest way I have found to explain it.
Mr HH
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You ever create a safe space? It’s linked to the work of Twitmyer and Pavlov? |
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"Sub space comes from the disproportionately larger endorphin releases into your system that comes with trauma/impact/psychological play.
The easiest way to link sub space with sub drop is to think about drinking alcohol and getting a hangover the next day. You drink enough and you will get a hangover; you can mitigate the effects of a hangover, everyone had difference tolerances to alcohol and it effects everyone differently however the basic premise is the same.
Sub space does not always equal sub drop, everyone is different. Most submissive’s know the best way for them to mitigate sub drop and to manage it. Dominants should be aware of these requirements and take steps to meet them.
I hope that answers the question. I have no doubt people will disagree but this is the simplest way I have found to explain it.
Mr HH
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Well explained, so drinking a couple of pints before going to bed will mitigate the hangover in the same way holding/embracing the sub afterwards can often make a big difference to sub-drop, but again depends on the sub, like you said, a good Dom will figure out the optimum way to reduce the drop effects.
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By *icentious OP Couple
over a year ago
Up on them there hills |
"Sub space comes from the disproportionately larger endorphin releases into your system that comes with trauma/impact/psychological play.
The easiest way to link sub space with sub drop is to think about drinking alcohol and getting a hangover the next day. You drink enough and you will get a hangover; you can mitigate the effects of a hangover, everyone had difference tolerances to alcohol and it effects everyone differently however the basic premise is the same.
Sub space does not always equal sub drop, everyone is different. Most submissive’s know the best way for them to mitigate sub drop and to manage it. Dominants should be aware of these requirements and take steps to meet them.
I hope that answers the question. I have no doubt people will disagree but this is the simplest way I have found to explain it.
Mr HH
Well explained, so drinking a couple of pints before going to bed will mitigate the hangover in the same way holding/embracing the sub afterwards can often make a big difference to sub-drop, but again depends on the sub, like you said, a good Dom will figure out the optimum way to reduce the drop effects.
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There is no right or wrong in my eyes, if everything was boxed I’d be bored to fuck! |
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"Maybe they just like lots of attention and cuddles, looks that way in clubs sometimes."
Lol, you could be right 
Possibly in the same way that someone in a car accident likes the blue flashing lights  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Sub space comes from the disproportionately larger endorphin releases into your system that comes with trauma/impact/psychological play.
The easiest way to link sub space with sub drop is to think about drinking alcohol and getting a hangover the next day. You drink enough and you will get a hangover; you can mitigate the effects of a hangover, everyone had difference tolerances to alcohol and it effects everyone differently however the basic premise is the same.
Sub space does not always equal sub drop, everyone is different. Most submissive’s know the best way for them to mitigate sub drop and to manage it. Dominants should be aware of these requirements and take steps to meet them.
I hope that answers the question. I have no doubt people will disagree but this is the simplest way I have found to explain it.
Mr HH
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Sub space comes from the disproportionately larger endorphin releases into your system that comes with trauma/impact/psychological play.
The easiest way to link sub space with sub drop is to think about drinking alcohol and getting a hangover the next day. You drink enough and you will get a hangover; you can mitigate the effects of a hangover, everyone had difference tolerances to alcohol and it effects everyone differently however the basic premise is the same.
Sub space does not always equal sub drop, everyone is different. Most submissive’s know the best way for them to mitigate sub drop and to manage it. Dominants should be aware of these requirements and take steps to meet them.
I hope that answers the question. I have no doubt people will disagree but this is the simplest way I have found to explain it.
Mr HH
You ever create a safe space? It’s linked to the work of Twitmyer and Pavlov?"
No - Twitmyer and Pavlov worked on conditioning and stimulus/response patterns as a way of control and manipulation. This, purely for me, goes against the consent side of this sort of play; whilst I can see it could have very effective outcomes, this type of conditioning is most effective when done subconsciously which in itself implies without consent. It also seems a bit like a ‘quick fix‘ for me. However it is an interesting idea and one that may have merit.
An honest and open discussion will give a Dominant the information they need to give the aftercare required by the submissive. |
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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago
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"Maybe they just like lots of attention and cuddles, looks that way in clubs sometimes.
Lol, you could be right
Possibly in the same way that someone in a car accident likes the blue flashing lights "
Cuddles can help. For me, because I like a lot of verbal humiliation in a scene, I need reassurance as much as I need physical cuddles and affection. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"It is easy to understand how subspace develops, the product it creates baffles me.
It is a massive release from cognitive and conscious thinking and I’m told an ecstatics release of extreme physical and hormonal tensions.
However, the come down can be intense.
What is it in the rush that almost becomes addictive to subject yourself to the drop?
You kind of answered your own question before you asked it: "It is a massive release from cognitive and conscious thinking and I’m told an ecstatics release of extreme physical and hormonal tensions." and along those lines.
Think the question is, is it addictive and does that draw you into a D/s scene?"
I think so. My observation of people is there are those people drawn to extremes of both high and low and accept and prefer that to comfort/mediocrity and there’s some commonality there with addictive personalities. Most addictions result in extreme highs and lows, pleasure and pain. |
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By *icentious OP Couple
over a year ago
Up on them there hills |
"Sub space comes from the disproportionately larger endorphin releases into your system that comes with trauma/impact/psychological play.
The easiest way to link sub space with sub drop is to think about drinking alcohol and getting a hangover the next day. You drink enough and you will get a hangover; you can mitigate the effects of a hangover, everyone had difference tolerances to alcohol and it effects everyone differently however the basic premise is the same.
Sub space does not always equal sub drop, everyone is different. Most submissive’s know the best way for them to mitigate sub drop and to manage it. Dominants should be aware of these requirements and take steps to meet them.
I hope that answers the question. I have no doubt people will disagree but this is the simplest way I have found to explain it.
Mr HH
You ever create a safe space? It’s linked to the work of Twitmyer and Pavlov?
No - Twitmyer and Pavlov worked on conditioning and stimulus/response patterns as a way of control and manipulation. This, purely for me, goes against the consent side of this sort of play; whilst I can see it could have very effective outcomes, this type of conditioning is most effective when done subconsciously which in itself implies without consent. It also seems a bit like a ‘quick fix‘ for me. However it is an interesting idea and one that may have merit.
An honest and open discussion will give a Dominant the information they need to give the aftercare required by the submissive."
To me, and this is just me I had seven meetings with my last sub before I even engaged in any relationship.
Purely for interest, how do you induce subspace, without Twitmyer?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Sub space comes from the disproportionately larger endorphin releases into your system that comes with trauma/impact/psychological play.
The easiest way to link sub space with sub drop is to think about drinking alcohol and getting a hangover the next day. You drink enough and you will get a hangover; you can mitigate the effects of a hangover, everyone had difference tolerances to alcohol and it effects everyone differently however the basic premise is the same.
Sub space does not always equal sub drop, everyone is different. Most submissive’s know the best way for them to mitigate sub drop and to manage it. Dominants should be aware of these requirements and take steps to meet them.
I hope that answers the question. I have no doubt people will disagree but this is the simplest way I have found to explain it.
Mr HH
You ever create a safe space? It’s linked to the work of Twitmyer and Pavlov?
No - Twitmyer and Pavlov worked on conditioning and stimulus/response patterns as a way of control and manipulation. This, purely for me, goes against the consent side of this sort of play; whilst I can see it could have very effective outcomes, this type of conditioning is most effective when done subconsciously which in itself implies without consent. It also seems a bit like a ‘quick fix‘ for me. However it is an interesting idea and one that may have merit.
An honest and open discussion will give a Dominant the information they need to give the aftercare required by the submissive.
To me, and this is just me I had seven meetings with my last sub before I even engaged in any relationship.
Purely for interest, how do you induce subspace, without Twitmyer?
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I am going to bypass the deep science and keep it fairly simple. The body holds a ‘packet’ of endorphins ready for times of stress/pain/trauma, it releases these painkilling/pleasure giving chemicals into the body when a sharp unexpected pain is experienced. It takes about 15 minutes for the body to prepare another ‘packet’ of endorphins, which can be released through another increase in pain/trauma.
You can use this to illicit the endorphin release for the submissive. However be careful - the more endorphins in the system the less pain the submissive feels and the less likely they are to be able to use their safe word.
Subspace is not a conditioned response but a physical reaction to endorphins flooding the system.
I have kept it very simplistic and no doubt people will disagree.
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To the above posters, thank you for explaining this in a way we understand. Rose loves to be submissive but not with me, so plays with more experienced Doms etc. I’ve watched her into sub space and the drop afterwards but we’ve never really understood it fully. Thank you x |
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By *icentious OP Couple
over a year ago
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"To the above posters, thank you for explaining this in a way we understand. Rose loves to be submissive but not with me, so plays with more experienced Doms etc. I’ve watched her into sub space and the drop afterwards but we’ve never really understood it fully. Thank you x"
Hey, talk to Submissive ladies they made this thread. |
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