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"This is a very controversial but this is my own opinion to which I'm entitled to so pleasure discuss yours below. Do not attack me or others for their opinions Today is June 6th it is and will always be the anniversary of D-day. I think BLM should stop protesting for one day to remember the men who gave their life for their right to protest. The more the protesters vandlise war memorials they get less and less respect " Totally agree Del | |||
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"This is a very controversial but this is my own opinion to which I'm entitled to so pleasure discuss yours below. Do not attack me or others for their opinions Today is June 6th it is and will always be the anniversary of D-day. I think BLM should stop protesting for one day to remember the men who gave their life for their right to protest. The more the protesters vandlise war memorials they get less and less respect Totally agree Del" Does protesting for one cause inherently detract from the prominence of another? I'd argue yes. What's going on in the world right now will always trump what's happened historically and therein lies the quandary of the human condition. Are we not destined to repeat the mistakes of the past based on the generational nature of our species? We have short memories. The atrocities currently being portrayed in the media (I would suggest) need fixing immediately, but there are atrocities occurring every day around the world that our media doesn't cover. For me the question is this. If you had the ability to ask those whom we are forgetting to remember what they would ask us to support, selfless and brave as they were, what do you suppose that would be? To end oppression in whatever form it takes? Or pay lip service to a date which many of the population are (sadly) no longer aware of? | |||
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"This is a very controversial but this is my own opinion to which I'm entitled to so pleasure discuss yours below. Do not attack me or others for their opinions Today is June 6th it is and will always be the anniversary of D-day. I think BLM should stop protesting for one day to remember the men who gave their life for their right to protest. The more the protesters vandlise war memorials they get less and less respect " Sure let's celebrate History and put the BLM protests on hold coz how important is another Black life taken by the police, it's not like George Floyd was a a hero or anything . He was just an unarmed black man . | |||
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"This is a very controversial but this is my own opinion to which I'm entitled to so pleasure discuss yours below. Do not attack me or others for their opinions Today is June 6th it is and will always be the anniversary of D-day. I think BLM should stop protesting for one day to remember the men who gave their life for their right to protest. The more the protesters vandlise war memorials they get less and less respect " You think the landing in Dunkirk was about men giving their life for [black people] to have the right to protest? I think that's called whitewashing history. | |||
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"This is a very controversial but this is my own opinion to which I'm entitled to so pleasure discuss yours below. Do not attack me or others for their opinions Today is June 6th it is and will always be the anniversary of D-day. I think BLM should stop protesting for one day to remember the men who gave their life for their right to protest. The more the protesters vandlise war memorials they get less and less respect " Well said you sir | |||
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"This is a very controversial but this is my own opinion to which I'm entitled to so pleasure discuss yours below. Do not attack me or others for their opinions Today is June 6th it is and will always be the anniversary of D-day. I think BLM should stop protesting for one day to remember the men who gave their life for their right to protest. The more the protesters vandlise war memorials they get less and less respect " But you appear to be attacking others for their opinions. I haven't seen anywhere BLM organisers demanding D Day celebrations shouldn't take place. | |||
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"This is a very controversial but this is my own opinion to which I'm entitled to so pleasure discuss yours below. Do not attack me or others for their opinions Today is June 6th it is and will always be the anniversary of D-day. I think BLM should stop protesting for one day to remember the men who gave their life for their right to protest. The more the protesters vandlise war memorials they get less and less respect " Sad to hear this.BLM is not a fringed movement.if D.Day matter to you as white man.Black live matter to black folks as well.Every year we mark the D.Day anniversary.if you can't forgo this year for BLM Protest.I am a bit worried. | |||
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"This is a very controversial but this is my own opinion to which I'm entitled to so pleasure discuss yours below. Do not attack me or others for their opinions Today is June 6th it is and will always be the anniversary of D-day. I think BLM should stop protesting for one day to remember the men who gave their life for their right to protest. The more the protesters vandlise war memorials they get less and less respect " Nope. | |||
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"This is a very controversial but this is my own opinion to which I'm entitled to so pleasure discuss yours below. Do not attack me or others for their opinions Today is June 6th it is and will always be the anniversary of D-day. I think BLM should stop protesting for one day to remember the men who gave their life for their right to protest. The more the protesters vandlise war memorials they get less and less respect " Totally agree, they shouldn't be protesting anyhow it's made a mockery of lockdown! | |||
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"This is a very controversial but this is my own opinion to which I'm entitled to so pleasure discuss yours below. Do not attack me or others for their opinions Today is June 6th it is and will always be the anniversary of D-day. I think BLM should stop protesting for one day to remember the men who gave their life for their right to protest. The more the protesters vandlise war memorials they get less and less respect " its my pleasure as always to answer this    | |||
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"This is a very controversial but this is my own opinion to which I'm entitled to so pleasure discuss yours below. Do not attack me or others for their opinions Today is June 6th it is and will always be the anniversary of D-day. I think BLM should stop protesting for one day to remember the men who gave their life for their right to protest. The more the protesters vandlise war memorials they get less and less respect " No, those people who gave there lives, did so under the belief they were leaving a better world for people of all faiths colours creeds, a world free of oppresion, where all would be free and live in peace so No you are wrong. | |||
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"I think whichever lone idiot defaced the memorial not only let themself down but everyone else who was out there protesting peacefully" They are all idiots though. My partner is NHS worker and she feels that after all their sacrifices keeping people alive and safe that every one of the BLM protesters and beach/park party goers have spat in their faces. Yes, we know black lives matter but at this present moment in time, all our lives matter. | |||
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""the landing in Dunkirk"??? Did I miss something? " D'oh! | |||
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"This is a very controversial but this is my own opinion to which I'm entitled to so pleasure discuss yours below. Do not attack me or others for their opinions Today is June 6th it is and will always be the anniversary of D-day. I think BLM should stop protesting for one day to remember the men who gave their life for their right to protest. The more the protesters vandlise war memorials they get less and less respect " Totally agree, couldn't of said it any better x | |||
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"Agree with the second part, we have to respect our history and the sacrifices made by ordinary people so that we can live in freedom today. There was a photo in the news showing soldiers from a nearby barracks scrubbing ACAB (all coppers are bastards) graffiti off a memorial whilst a protester berated them for doing so. " Christ that's so sad and disrespectful. | |||
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"This is a very controversial but this is my own opinion to which I'm entitled to so pleasure discuss yours below. Do not attack me or others for their opinions Today is June 6th it is and will always be the anniversary of D-day. I think BLM should stop protesting for one day to remember the men who gave their life for their right to protest. The more the protesters vandlise war memorials they get less and less respect Sure let's celebrate History and put the BLM protests on hold coz how important is another Black life taken by the police, it's not like George Floyd was a a hero or anything . He was just an unarmed black man . " Lee Rigby was an unarmed white man | |||
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"Lee Rigby was an unarmed white man " Lee Rigby was not killed by Police Officers, within a system of structural racism. They are really not comparable. | |||
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"This is a very controversial but this is my own opinion to which I'm entitled to so pleasure discuss yours below. Do not attack me or others for their opinions Today is June 6th it is and will always be the anniversary of D-day. I think BLM should stop protesting for one day to remember the men who gave their life for their right to protest. The more the protesters vandlise war memorials they get less and less respect Totally agree, couldn't of said it any better x"  | |||
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"Lee Rigby was an unarmed white man Lee Rigby was not killed by Police Officers, within a system of structural racism. They are really not comparable. " Police officers are people too. There are good and bad much like there are of all vocations. There have been doctors who are killers nursery assistants who are paedophiles and polications who occasionally do some good. To tar the world wide police forces is the same are taring every BLM demonstrator for those that threw a bike at a horse or punched to the ground the policeman that was running away. Discrimination isnt right, we live in a world of discrimination from race, sex, gender, social standing, weight or hair colour. Its all about someone putting someone else down to make themselves feel superior. We need to stop giving people categories because categories only exist to treat things differently. | |||
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"Lee Rigby was an unarmed white man Lee Rigby was not killed by Police Officers, within a system of structural racism. They are really not comparable. " Tony Timpa is comparable but wasn't such outrage, but I guess 'all lives matter' isn't an excuse to flout social distancing rules, loot, throw bicycles at horses, etc. All lives matter and equality is a massive issue, but it's an issue we should deal with by challenging daily whenever we see inequality, see something wrong, speak up there and then. Don't save it up to feel you are self-important by being part of a clan that are ignoring current social distancing rules, medical guidance, and putting thousands of elderly and vulnerable people at risk and putting added stress on the NHS and other services. It's not about one person, I get that, but is the actions of the many not worse than the actions of one? | |||
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"Yes i feel the same i myself am a carer not nhs but in the community so still as important why are thry all out protesting about something that didnt even happen here do you really think the amerivans care that people are out putting lives at risk for some guy they havent even met we have worked too hard to get to where we are now and to control this virus to start throwing it all away by all means show your disgust at what happened just dind a safe way of doing it that doesnt involve standing in large crowds and putting people at risk " but families cramming themselves on beaches around England is ok? A guy they haven't met and yet the police are still killing black people for their entertainment? It happens in England. Enough is enough | |||
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"Yes i feel the same i myself am a carer not nhs but in the community so still as important why are thry all out protesting about something that didnt even happen here do you really think the amerivans care that people are out putting lives at risk for some guy they havent even met we have worked too hard to get to where we are now and to control this virus to start throwing it all away by all means show your disgust at what happened just dind a safe way of doing it that doesnt involve standing in large crowds and putting people at risk but families cramming themselves on beaches around England is ok? A guy they haven't met and yet the police are still killing black people for their entertainment? It happens in England. Enough is enough " Why don't you look up the stats? In 2018/19 the percentage of deaths in Police custody in England an Wales was 86% White, 3% Black, 8% Asian, 2% mixed and 1% other. Hardly a massive bias towards black deaths? Or am I missing something? | |||
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"Yes i feel the same i myself am a carer not nhs but in the community so still as important why are thry all out protesting about something that didnt even happen here do you really think the amerivans care that people are out putting lives at risk for some guy they havent even met we have worked too hard to get to where we are now and to control this virus to start throwing it all away by all means show your disgust at what happened just dind a safe way of doing it that doesnt involve standing in large crowds and putting people at risk but families cramming themselves on beaches around England is ok? A guy they haven't met and yet the police are still killing black people for their entertainment? It happens in England. Enough is enough " Where does it happen in england? | |||
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"Yes i feel the same i myself am a carer not nhs but in the community so still as important why are thry all out protesting about something that didnt even happen here do you really think the amerivans care that people are out putting lives at risk for some guy they havent even met we have worked too hard to get to where we are now and to control this virus to start throwing it all away by all means show your disgust at what happened just dind a safe way of doing it that doesnt involve standing in large crowds and putting people at risk but families cramming themselves on beaches around England is ok? A guy they haven't met and yet the police are still killing black people for their entertainment? It happens in England. Enough is enough Why don't you look up the stats? In 2018/19 the percentage of deaths in Police custody in England an Wales was 86% White, 3% Black, 8% Asian, 2% mixed and 1% other. Hardly a massive bias towards black deaths? Or am I missing something? " In terms of number of deaths that many be the case, however, the stats also indicate black individuals are 4 times more likely to encounter force from the police than white individuals. And also more likely to be randomly stoped and searched, which has been proven to be ineffective. | |||
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" Where does it happen in england?" Blair Peach in Middlesex for a start | |||
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"Yes i feel the same i myself am a carer not nhs but in the community so still as important why are thry all out protesting about something that didnt even happen here do you really think the amerivans care that people are out putting lives at risk for some guy they havent even met we have worked too hard to get to where we are now and to control this virus to start throwing it all away by all means show your disgust at what happened just dind a safe way of doing it that doesnt involve standing in large crowds and putting people at risk but families cramming themselves on beaches around England is ok? A guy they haven't met and yet the police are still killing black people for their entertainment? It happens in England. Enough is enough Why don't you look up the stats? In 2018/19 the percentage of deaths in Police custody in England an Wales was 86% White, 3% Black, 8% Asian, 2% mixed and 1% other. Hardly a massive bias towards black deaths? Or am I missing something? In terms of number of deaths that many be the case, however, the stats also indicate black individuals are 4 times more likely to encounter force from the police than white individuals. And also more likely to be randomly stoped and searched, which has been proven to be ineffective. " I think that's a valid point that should be seriously looked at. Any kind of inequality is wrong, however, the reasoning behind the figures need to be understood, it may have nothing to do with colour or it may be prejudice, I don't know and aren't convinced others do either. I happen to be a white guy that has been 'assaulted' by a police officer as he didn't like me standing up to him and questioning his actions due to his treatment of another person. I ended up being arrested when I told him that if he shoved me again I'd shove him back. It got thrown out in court and he left the police, but my complaint about him wasn't upheld due to the fact that I was a big guy and he may have felt threatened. Prejudice isn't only due to colour. | |||
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"Yes i feel the same i myself am a carer not nhs but in the community so still as important why are thry all out protesting about something that didnt even happen here do you really think the amerivans care that people are out putting lives at risk for some guy they havent even met we have worked too hard to get to where we are now and to control this virus to start throwing it all away by all means show your disgust at what happened just dind a safe way of doing it that doesnt involve standing in large crowds and putting people at risk but families cramming themselves on beaches around England is ok? A guy they haven't met and yet the police are still killing black people for their entertainment? It happens in England. Enough is enough Why don't you look up the stats? In 2018/19 the percentage of deaths in Police custody in England an Wales was 86% White, 3% Black, 8% Asian, 2% mixed and 1% other. Hardly a massive bias towards black deaths? Or am I missing something? In terms of number of deaths that many be the case, however, the stats also indicate black individuals are 4 times more likely to encounter force from the police than white individuals. And also more likely to be randomly stoped and searched, which has been proven to be ineffective. I think that's a valid point that should be seriously looked at. Any kind of inequality is wrong, however, the reasoning behind the figures need to be understood, it may have nothing to do with colour or it may be prejudice, I don't know and aren't convinced others do either. I happen to be a white guy that has been 'assaulted' by a police officer as he didn't like me standing up to him and questioning his actions due to his treatment of another person. I ended up being arrested when I told him that if he shoved me again I'd shove him back. It got thrown out in court and he left the police, but my complaint about him wasn't upheld due to the fact that I was a big guy and he may have felt threatened. Prejudice isn't only due to colour. " Sounds like you had a raw deal with the old bill mate. I'm not saying prejuduce is only due to colour but when you're dealing with institutions ranging from the police to the media where the decision makers don't reflect the diversity, you will have systemic racism. It will be much less noticeable to someone who has white privilege because you'll never face the possibility of being judged on your colour or ethnicity. | |||
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" Sounds like you had a raw deal with the old bill mate. I'm not saying prejuduce is only due to colour but when you're dealing with institutions ranging from the police to the media where the decision makers don't reflect the diversity, you will have systemic racism. It will be much less noticeable to someone who has white privilege because you'll never face the possibility of being judged on your colour or ethnicity. " Try being Welsh  | |||
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" Sounds like you had a raw deal with the old bill mate. I'm not saying prejuduce is only due to colour but when you're dealing with institutions ranging from the police to the media where the decision makers don't reflect the diversity, you will have systemic racism. It will be much less noticeable to someone who has white privilege because you'll never face the possibility of being judged on your colour or ethnicity. Try being Welsh "Lol, at least you've got a language to take the piss out of the English without them knowing haha | |||
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"Why don't you look up the stats? In 2018/19 the percentage of deaths in Police custody in England an Wales was 86% White, 3% Black, 8% Asian, 2% mixed and 1% other. Hardly a massive bias towards black deaths? Or am I missing something? " Yes, you're missing something. You also need to factor in the percentage of the UK population that are black. | |||
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"This is a very controversial but this is my own opinion to which I'm entitled to so pleasure discuss yours below. Do not attack me or others for their opinions Today is June 6th it is and will always be the anniversary of D-day. I think BLM should stop protesting for one day to remember the men who gave their life for their right to protest. The more the protesters vandlise war memorials they get less and less respect You think the landing in Dunkirk was about men giving their life for [black people] to have the right to protest? I think that's called whitewashing history. " Not wishing to be picky, but the operation at Dunkirk took place in 1940 and was not to land troops but to evacuate them back to Britain. The D Day landings took place 4 years later in Normandy, several hundred miles away. | |||
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"Why don't you look up the stats? In 2018/19 the percentage of deaths in Police custody in England an Wales was 86% White, 3% Black, 8% Asian, 2% mixed and 1% other. Hardly a massive bias towards black deaths? Or am I missing something? Yes, you're missing something. You also need to factor in the percentage of the UK population that are black." This | |||
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" But why does protesting for BLM mean that D-day isn't being respected? There were many Indian and Black colonial soldiers who fought in WW2 that never had the rights that British and French soldiers had and were deemed inferior. Whilst I don't support the defacing of the memorials, I support the celebration to protest in their honour. " Absolutely spot on Plus d day was about defeating the nazi axis. | |||
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"The worst part will be in 5 weeks or so when the virus kills disproportionately more marchers and those connected with them. If Black lives matter why are they spreading it in their community?" | |||
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"This is a very controversial but this is my own opinion to which I'm entitled to so pleasure discuss yours below. Do not attack me or others for their opinions Today is June 6th it is and will always be the anniversary of D-day. I think BLM should stop protesting for one day to remember the men who gave their life for their right to protest. The more the protesters vandlise war memorials they get less and less respect You think the landing in Dunkirk was about men giving their life for [black people] to have the right to protest? I think that's called whitewashing history. " Hardly whitewashing? How many protesters are allowed in any totalitarian state? Think on?   | |||
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"It’s not controversial... they shouldn’t be marching on any day at the present time.. and what I saw, it was a bunch of middle class students, who always high jack any protest to cause mither .. but daddy will pay the fine ... then there was the usual looking gang members, sporning for mither .. once it got nasty the OB should of been give the orders to hit back hard .. some of this lot would love to goven via revaluation and violence ... pol pot comes to mind .... if it was football fans, the media would of called them the scourge, scum.. but because of the nature of the protest, these hooligans were called protesters ... not in my name " My kids are both students, and no I would not have paid the fine. They would have got a bollocking from me on top of the fine. | |||
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"If BLM had respect for anyone, they would not have defaced war memorials. They are conveniently forgetting that these are the very people who fought and lost their lives so they have freedom and the right to (peacefully) protest. Thwy were all colours and religions too. What they have done is an insult. Their lives mattered too and to deface memorials erected in their honour is an absolute disgrace. This movement will have no support from me because of these actions. " I think you'll find that Black Lives Matter is a movement, whereas vandalism of memorials were individual acts, which were condemned by those organising the protests. Individuals should be responsible for their own actions and be treated accordingly. And includes those who behave correctly. Don't criticise the whole movement because of the actions of a minority of ill disciplined idiots | |||
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"If BLM had respect for anyone, they would not have defaced war memorials. They are conveniently forgetting that these are the very people who fought and lost their lives so they have freedom and the right to (peacefully) protest. Thwy were all colours and religions too. What they have done is an insult. Their lives mattered too and to deface memorials erected in their honour is an absolute disgrace. This movement will have no support from me because of these actions. I think you'll find that Black Lives Matter is a movement, whereas vandalism of memorials were individual acts, which were condemned by those organising the protests. Individuals should be responsible for their own actions and be treated accordingly. And includes those who behave correctly. Don't criticise the whole movement because of the actions of a minority of ill disciplined idiots" Doesn't put them in a good light at all though does it? They should root out these people if they want more supporters. | |||
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"It’s not controversial... they shouldn’t be marching on any day at the present time.. and what I saw, it was a bunch of middle class students, who always high jack any protest to cause mither .. but daddy will pay the fine ... then there was the usual looking gang members, sporning for mither .. once it got nasty the OB should of been give the orders to hit back hard .. some of this lot would love to goven via revaluation and violence ... pol pot comes to mind .... if it was football fans, the media would of called them the scourge, scum.. but because of the nature of the protest, these hooligans were called protesters ... not in my name My kids are both students, and no I would not have paid the fine. They would have got a bollocking from me on top of the fine. " Respect .. mine would of got a fucking good hiding if I’d of seen them being thugs .. infact i wouldn’t of been impressed at all if they were there due to the lockdown .. | |||
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"It’s not controversial... they shouldn’t be marching on any day at the present time.. and what I saw, it was a bunch of middle class students, who always high jack any protest to cause mither .. but daddy will pay the fine ... then there was the usual looking gang members, sporning for mither .. once it got nasty the OB should of been give the orders to hit back hard .. some of this lot would love to goven via revaluation and violence ... pol pot comes to mind .... if it was football fans, the media would of called them the scourge, scum.. but because of the nature of the protest, these hooligans were called protesters ... not in my name My kids are both students, and no I would not have paid the fine. They would have got a bollocking from me on top of the fine. Respect .. mine would of got a fucking good hiding if I’d of seen them being thugs .. infact i wouldn’t of been impressed at all if they were there due to the lockdown .. "Thankyou. | |||
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"The statue that was destroyed in Bristol. The chap Coulston ? Was a slave trader ? Didn’t he also set up educational establishments in the city and build other civic immenities. I wonder how many bame persons took advantage of the bursaries knowing the history of Coulston. How many went to Coulston hall etc . I just sat there watching it on tv and just thought it was mob mentality. " Why should the black folk in Bristol have a slave trader looking down on them after what he did? Even got petition to remove it even to try change the wording on it (they couldn't even find wording) everyone knows its wrong. | |||
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"If BLM had respect for anyone, they would not have defaced war memorials. They are conveniently forgetting that these are the very people who fought and lost their lives so they have freedom and the right to (peacefully) protest. Thwy were all colours and religions too. What they have done is an insult. Their lives mattered too and to deface memorials erected in their honour is an absolute disgrace. This movement will have no support from me because of these actions. I think you'll find that Black Lives Matter is a movement, whereas vandalism of memorials were individual acts, which were condemned by those organising the protests. Individuals should be responsible for their own actions and be treated accordingly. And includes those who behave correctly. Don't criticise the whole movement because of the actions of a minority of ill disciplined idiots Doesn't put them in a good light at all though does it? They should root out these people if they want more supporters. " One of the organisers of a protest spoke on the BBC this morning saying they were doing just that and assisting the police to root out the perpetrators. They don't want them associated with BLM either. Happy now? | |||
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"The statue that was destroyed in Bristol. The chap Coulston ? Was a slave trader ? Didn’t he also set up educational establishments in the city and build other civic immenities. I wonder how many bame persons took advantage of the bursaries knowing the history of Coulston. How many went to Coulston hall etc . I just sat there watching it on tv and just thought it was mob mentality. " That statue should have been removed years ago or at least an inscription telling his real story. | |||
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"The statue that was destroyed in Bristol. The chap Coulston ? Was a slave trader ? Didn’t he also set up educational establishments in the city and build other civic immenities. I wonder how many bame persons took advantage of the bursaries knowing the history of Coulston. How many went to Coulston hall etc . I just sat there watching it on tv and just thought it was mob mentality. " Either way the statue of a slave trader/racist has fallen .. Hurrah | |||
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"Peaceful protests will never happen anymore. You will always get the trouble makers and extremists that use that opportunity to have a riot and totally take away the reason and purpose of said protest. " The protest of over 10,000 people yesterday was peaceful. They also didn't leave any mess andall wore masks (provided if they didn't have one) | |||
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"Lost any modicum of support or intention to remotely hear ‘their cause’ the minute they started looting, defacing monuments, throwing a brick at a horse and breaking its nose. The Floyd family have specifically asked protesters not to behave in this way, and certainly not to do it in the name of the poor man murdered, but they’ve carried on regardless" Rioters and Protesters are two different things. This is what happens when people become passionate | |||
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"Lost any modicum of support or intention to remotely hear ‘their cause’ the minute they started looting, defacing monuments, throwing a brick at a horse and breaking its nose. The Floyd family have specifically asked protesters not to behave in this way, and certainly not to do it in the name of the poor man murdered, but they’ve carried on regardless" This. | |||
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"Lost any modicum of support or intention to remotely hear ‘their cause’ the minute they started looting, defacing monuments, throwing a brick at a horse and breaking its nose. The Floyd family have specifically asked protesters not to behave in this way, and certainly not to do it in the name of the poor man murdered, but they’ve carried on regardless Rioters and Protesters are two different things. This is what happens when people become passionate" Very true, anyone suggesting looters & rioters diminish the message are failing to understand the message or seeking reasons to not support the virtuous principles of the cause. | |||
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"Lost any modicum of support or intention to remotely hear ‘their cause’ the minute they started looting, defacing monuments, throwing a brick at a horse and breaking its nose. The Floyd family have specifically asked protesters not to behave in this way, and certainly not to do it in the name of the poor man murdered, but they’ve carried on regardless Rioters and Protesters are two different things. This is what happens when people become passionate Very true, anyone suggesting looters & rioters diminish the message are failing to understand the message or seeking reasons to not support the virtuous principles of the cause. " Not failing to understand the message or cause at all. | |||
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"Lost any modicum of support or intention to remotely hear ‘their cause’ the minute they started looting, defacing monuments, throwing a brick at a horse and breaking its nose. The Floyd family have specifically asked protesters not to behave in this way, and certainly not to do it in the name of the poor man murdered, but they’ve carried on regardless" Who are 'they'? Why would anyone support looters, they're a distinct bunch, just because they might be black doesn't mean they represent the black community generally. I don't recall the white community or genuine football fans being blamed for football violence just because the majority of football hooligans happened to be white. | |||
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"Lost any modicum of support or intention to remotely hear ‘their cause’ the minute they started looting, defacing monuments, throwing a brick at a horse and breaking its nose. The Floyd family have specifically asked protesters not to behave in this way, and certainly not to do it in the name of the poor man murdered, but they’ve carried on regardless Rioters and Protesters are two different things. This is what happens when people become passionate Very true, anyone suggesting looters & rioters diminish the message are failing to understand the message or seeking reasons to not support the virtuous principles of the cause. " So how do you separate those who were there not committing criminal acts versus those that were when they were all there under one banner? I don’t think I’ve failed to understand the cause... however, when the family of the murdered man have said ‘not in my name’, I cannot condone acts of violence. | |||
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"Lost any modicum of support or intention to remotely hear ‘their cause’ the minute they started looting, defacing monuments, throwing a brick at a horse and breaking its nose. The Floyd family have specifically asked protesters not to behave in this way, and certainly not to do it in the name of the poor man murdered, but they’ve carried on regardless Rioters and Protesters are two different things. This is what happens when people become passionate Very true, anyone suggesting looters & rioters diminish the message are failing to understand the message or seeking reasons to not support the virtuous principles of the cause. So how do you separate those who were there not committing criminal acts versus those that were when they were all there under one banner? I don’t think I’ve failed to understand the cause... however, when the family of the murdered man have said ‘not in my name’, I cannot condone acts of violence." "I don’t think I’ve failed to understand the cause... however, when the family of the murdered man have said ‘not in my name’, I cannot condone acts of violence." This^^ | |||
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"I think whichever lone idiot defaced the memorial not only let themself down but everyone else who was out there protesting peacefully" | |||
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"Lost any modicum of support or intention to remotely hear ‘their cause’ the minute they started looting, defacing monuments, throwing a brick at a horse and breaking its nose. The Floyd family have specifically asked protesters not to behave in this way, and certainly not to do it in the name of the poor man murdered, but they’ve carried on regardless Rioters and Protesters are two different things. This is what happens when people become passionate Very true, anyone suggesting looters & rioters diminish the message are failing to understand the message or seeking reasons to not support the virtuous principles of the cause. " Agreed. The people saying that it erases or diminishes the cause tend to be the people who don't care about the cause. | |||
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"Lost any modicum of support or intention to remotely hear ‘their cause’ the minute they started looting, defacing monuments, throwing a brick at a horse and breaking its nose. The Floyd family have specifically asked protesters not to behave in this way, and certainly not to do it in the name of the poor man murdered, but they’ve carried on regardless Rioters and Protesters are two different things. This is what happens when people become passionate Very true, anyone suggesting looters & rioters diminish the message are failing to understand the message or seeking reasons to not support the virtuous principles of the cause. Agreed. The people saying that it erases or diminishes the cause tend to be the people who don't care about the cause. Ok... I don’t care about the cause...I would’ve done, but not now, not one jot... not when you’ve got thugs committing the very violent and heinous attacks that they seem to be ‘sooo against’. Has anyone from BLM movement decried these acts?... err, No. Have they said not in my name... nope. Distances themselves from those committing these acts... nope." Actually- yes they have... | |||
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"Every day has some celebration. On the day he was killed it was Africa Day and also Greek Pride Day. The response by black folk is a necessity and it needed to be acted on now, at it's most relevant point. " no it doesn't Those protesters are just scum What needed to be acted on was the police standing idly by as the vandalism happened in front of them,and the sickening spectacle of them one one knee in front of a rabble of lowlife. That's what's this country has come to,surrender by authority to the mob. It disgusts me to the core | |||
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"Every day has some celebration. On the day he was killed it was Africa Day and also Greek Pride Day. The response by black folk is a necessity and it needed to be acted on now, at it's most relevant point. no it doesn't Those protesters are just scum What needed to be acted on was the police standing idly by as the vandalism happened in front of them,and the sickening spectacle of them one one knee in front of a rabble of lowlife. That's what's this country has come to,surrender by authority to the mob. It disgusts me to the core" Dear Disgusted from Skelmersdale, what did you think to the public murder of a man, already prone and not posing any threat to his executioner? | |||
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"Why are people so threatened?" Because the conversation makes them uncomfortable. They also think black people are trying to be superior when most people have realised that's not the case. I'm glad support is growing for the cause and hopefully people will try to understand instead of feeling threatened | |||
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"So how many people want to tear down the Colosseum in rome? Built by slaves so romans could have entertainment watching slaves being hacked and torn apart. All races and countries have suffered from slavery at some point in their history and if be very surprised if there are any cultures that have never taken an active part in slavery. Historic values will never match those of the future. Im sure in the future people will baulk at the idea that different areas of the world treated each other differently. Should i hate the french because in the past they were a major rival to brits or scandinavians because they used to kill and enslave the local population? Of course not i wasnt alive nor should i hate germans for what their ancestors did during the wars. Learn from the past. Dont live in it. " Don't know if you're referring to the statue in Bristol, but there's an enormous difference between a grand peice of actual history that was part of how they lived, and a statue put up to represent someone of the past that we would now not want to represent. Tearing it down might not be the nicest way of doing it but I'd have expected Germany took any statues of nazis down right away regardless of how many schools they helped build at the time | |||
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"Why are people so threatened? Because the conversation makes them uncomfortable. They also think black people are trying to be superior when most people have realised that's not the case. I'm glad support is growing for the cause and hopefully people will try to understand instead of feeling threatened "Thank you. It was tongue in cheek but I appreciate your response | |||
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"Why are people so threatened? Because the conversation makes them uncomfortable. They also think black people are trying to be superior when most people have realised that's not the case. I'm glad support is growing for the cause and hopefully people will try to understand instead of feeling threatened
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"Sorry, but I do feel I have to interject here. This argument goes much wider than just D-day. If all those who give their lives or returned with PTSD, etc, hadn't done so, the Nazis would likely had invaded Britain. In which case there wouldn't be any BLM movement, freedom of speach, or the right to protest. That was what those people gave their lives for and have continued to do up to the present day. " No one is discrediting the Army or the wars they have been involved in. The reason of the post is about D-day remembrance. It should be remembered and respected. The protests and many others have happened whenever they could, there isn't a hidden agenda to take away form important days. | |||
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"Sorry, but I do feel I have to interject here. This argument goes much wider than just D-day. If all those who give their lives or returned with PTSD, etc, hadn't done so, the Nazis would likely had invaded Britain. In which case there wouldn't be any BLM movement, freedom of speach, or the right to protest. That was what those people gave their lives for and have continued to do up to the present day. " But if the soldiers of ww1 hadn't given their lives or returned with ptsd maybe we'd have already been German or maybe we'd have been the nazis in some twist of fate, but ww2 didn't stop to commemorate them. Its good to remember but you can't just bring out the they gave their lives argument when there's important things going on in the current world, unless they were planning on dancing naked on the cenotaph during the 2 minutes silence on November 11th. I'm arguing this btw but I do personally think the mass gatherings are a bit irresponsible in the UK, I can understand it more from a US point of view but we've had our own times when this message would've been important to hear and there wasnt any mass gatherings like this, so why during a pandemic is there? | |||
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"Why are people so threatened? Because the conversation makes them uncomfortable. They also think black people are trying to be superior when most people have realised that's not the case. I'm glad support is growing for the cause and hopefully people will try to understand instead of feeling threatened
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"Why are people so threatened? Because the conversation makes them uncomfortable. They also think black people are trying to be superior when most people have realised that's not the case. I'm glad support is growing for the cause and hopefully people will try to understand instead of feeling threatened
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It was tongue in cheek but I appreciate your response
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"Why are people so threatened? Because the conversation makes them uncomfortable. They also think black people are trying to be superior when most people have realised that's not the case. I'm glad support is growing for the cause and hopefully people will try to understand instead of feeling threatened
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No worries. Your response benefited the threatened, even if they don't realise it.
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"Sorry, but I do feel I have to interject here. This argument goes much wider than just D-day. If all those who give their lives or returned with PTSD, etc, hadn't done so, the Nazis would likely had invaded Britain. In which case there wouldn't be any BLM movement, freedom of speach, or the right to protest. That was what those people gave their lives for and have continued to do up to the present day. But if the soldiers of ww1 hadn't given their lives or returned with ptsd maybe we'd have already been German or maybe we'd have been the nazis in some twist of fate, but ww2 didn't stop to commemorate them. Its good to remember but you can't just bring out the they gave their lives argument when there's important things going on in the current world, unless they were planning on dancing naked on the cenotaph during the 2 minutes silence on November 11th. I'm arguing this btw but I do personally think the mass gatherings are a bit irresponsible in the UK, I can understand it more from a US point of view but we've had our own times when this message would've been important to hear and there wasnt any mass gatherings like this, so why during a pandemic is there? " Dare I suggest that the weeks of lockdown have added to peoples frustrations and spilt over into the BLM cause ? I do tend to agree that it is irresponsible for mass gatherings at this time, especially as it appears to be black and Asian communities that are at higher risk of fatality ? | |||
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"I chatted to a woman at the protest yeaterday and she said 'despite me being 4 times more at risk, the message had to be loud and clear. Black lives matter and enough is enough.' " It is not only her life she is putting at risk though. | |||
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"I chatted to a woman at the protest yeaterday and she said 'despite me being 4 times more at risk, the message had to be loud and clear. Black lives matter and enough is enough.' It is not only her life she is putting at risk though." Nearly everyone was wearing a mask and it was socially distanced. | |||
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"I chatted to a woman at the protest yeaterday and she said 'despite me being 4 times more at risk, the message had to be loud and clear. Black lives matter and enough is enough.' It is not only her life she is putting at risk though. Nearly everyone was wearing a mask and it was socially distanced. " Not from what I could see. I just hope there isn't a huge spike in fatalities in the coming weeks ! | |||
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"I chatted to a woman at the protest yeaterday and she said 'despite me being 4 times more at risk, the message had to be loud and clear. Black lives matter and enough is enough.' It is not only her life she is putting at risk though. Nearly everyone was wearing a mask and it was socially distanced. Not from what I could see. I just hope there isn't a huge spike in fatalities in the coming weeks !" Were you at the protest in nottingham? | |||
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"Why kick off now it’s so mad " Because black lives matter and bizarrely at the same time no lives matter | |||
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"When will stop with WW2? We seem to commemorate this war every two weeks. I’ve got so much respect for the people - from ALL countries- who fought at the time but it’s just too much now. Time to look ahead. Of course, we shouldn’t forget but I’m personally fed up with the constant glorification of ww2 in this country. " It is not glorification. It is a stark reminder of what happens when people are intolerant. General Eisenhower wanted as much photographic and news reel footage as possible, covering Nazi death camps. His reason being that one day someone will deny this happened ! | |||
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"This is a very controversial but this is my own opinion to which I'm entitled to so pleasure discuss yours below. Do not attack me or others for their opinions Today is June 6th it is and will always be the anniversary of D-day. I think BLM should stop protesting for one day to remember the men who gave their life for their right to protest. The more the protesters vandlise war memorials they get less and less respect " The protesting during lockdown, nevermind during the D-day anniversary raises the much wider and largely unrecognised challenge that ‘pandemic breeds pandemic’. In other words given the coronavirus restrictions on everyday life, people have the time, the energy and most alarmingly the frustration to rally on matters that are equally important (if not more so) to them. It also elevates another point although more of a distraction than anything, in that many in the younger generations are not aligned to the remembrance of ww1 or ww2 and are focusing on more contemporary issues. So taking racism as a global issue not just a us centric matter, the BLM movement has now a platform to once again spotlight the injustices and prejudices of modern day society. And given the strength of current feeling I would not be surprised if protests continued and inflated for quite some time to come. What is the answer? Well that is probably a worthy thread for an entirely new debate. | |||
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"One could argue that racism is a pandemic " At the protest in Bristol during a speech someone said that. "This is also a pandemic but this one has gone on for far longer and has lead to more deaths, it will continue to go on unless we stop it" | |||
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"One could argue that racism is a pandemic At the protest in Bristol during a speech someone said that. "This is also a pandemic but this one has gone on for far longer and has lead to more deaths, it will continue to go on unless we stop it" " Hear hear | |||
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"When will stop with WW2? We seem to commemorate this war every two weeks. I’ve got so much respect for the people - from ALL countries- who fought at the time but it’s just too much now. Time to look ahead. Of course, we shouldn’t forget but I’m personally fed up with the constant glorification of ww2 in this country. It is not glorification. It is a stark reminder of what happens when people are intolerant. General Eisenhower wanted as much photographic and news reel footage as possible, covering Nazi death camps. His reason being that one day someone will deny this happened !" This country is glorifying this war endlessly. There’s no risk of anybody forgetting it. It’s non stop! OK, Britain won it ( with other countries too) but it’s a bit like the football world in 66, it’s just on and on and on and on... The right wingers who often dwell on these wars are often the most racist and intolerant of people. Referring constantly to this is preventing us from moving on. It still affects our political decisions - Remember Brexit and these constant references to WW2, hatred for Germany and so on? There are more urgent causes than commemorating this war non stop. One day a year for all these would be enough. Inequalities such as homelessness, racism, lack of social mobility etc... are current issues that need to be tackled now. And there’s no risk of the Germans getting in the way. The current gvt however, yea! Looking backwards won’t improve the world as it is. | |||
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"Yes i feel the same i myself am a carer not nhs but in the community so still as important why are thry all out protesting about something that didnt even happen here do you really think the amerivans care that people are out putting lives at risk for some guy they havent even met we have worked too hard to get to where we are now and to control this virus to start throwing it all away by all means show your disgust at what happened just dind a safe way of doing it that doesnt involve standing in large crowds and putting people at risk but families cramming themselves on beaches around England is ok? A guy they haven't met and yet the police are still killing black people for their entertainment? It happens in England. Enough is enough Why don't you look up the stats? In 2018/19 the percentage of deaths in Police custody in England an Wales was 86% White, 3% Black, 8% Asian, 2% mixed and 1% other. Hardly a massive bias towards black deaths? Or am I missing something? " no one is interested in the truth any more, it's just about shouting louder than anyone else. | |||
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"Yes i feel the same i myself am a carer not nhs but in the community so still as important why are thry all out protesting about something that didnt even happen here do you really think the amerivans care that people are out putting lives at risk for some guy they havent even met we have worked too hard to get to where we are now and to control this virus to start throwing it all away by all means show your disgust at what happened just dind a safe way of doing it that doesnt involve standing in large crowds and putting people at risk but families cramming themselves on beaches around England is ok? A guy they haven't met and yet the police are still killing black people for their entertainment? It happens in England. Enough is enough Why don't you look up the stats? In 2018/19 the percentage of deaths in Police custody in England an Wales was 86% White, 3% Black, 8% Asian, 2% mixed and 1% other. Hardly a massive bias towards black deaths? Or am I missing something? no one is interested in the truth any more, it's just about shouting louder than anyone else. "Actually I feel it’s all about the truth ...... But the possible variable that causes angst in people is the perceived credibility of person or media delivering the message can often lead to the truth being diluted, or at worse, dismissed. | |||
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"When will stop with WW2? We seem to commemorate this war every two weeks. I’ve got so much respect for the people - from ALL countries- who fought at the time but it’s just too much now. Time to look ahead. Of course, we shouldn’t forget but I’m personally fed up with the constant glorification of ww2 in this country. It is not glorification. It is a stark reminder of what happens when people are intolerant. General Eisenhower wanted as much photographic and news reel footage as possible, covering Nazi death camps. His reason being that one day someone will deny this happened ! This country is glorifying this war endlessly. There’s no risk of anybody forgetting it. It’s non stop! OK, Britain won it ( with other countries too) but it’s a bit like the football world in 66, it’s just on and on and on and on... The right wingers who often dwell on these wars are often the most racist and intolerant of people. Referring constantly to this is preventing us from moving on. It still affects our political decisions - Remember Brexit and these constant references to WW2, hatred for Germany and so on? There are more urgent causes than commemorating this war non stop. One day a year for all these would be enough. Inequalities such as homelessness, racism, lack of social mobility etc... are current issues that need to be tackled now. And there’s no risk of the Germans getting in the way. The current gvt however, yea! Looking backwards won’t improve the world as it is." Comparing 1966 world cup final to remembering the dead of two world wars ! | |||
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"When will stop with WW2? We seem to commemorate this war every two weeks. I’ve got so much respect for the people - from ALL countries- who fought at the time but it’s just too much now. Time to look ahead. Of course, we shouldn’t forget but I’m personally fed up with the constant glorification of ww2 in this country. It is not glorification. It is a stark reminder of what happens when people are intolerant. General Eisenhower wanted as much photographic and news reel footage as possible, covering Nazi death camps. His reason being that one day someone will deny this happened ! This country is glorifying this war endlessly. There’s no risk of anybody forgetting it. It’s non stop! OK, Britain won it ( with other countries too) but it’s a bit like the football world in 66, it’s just on and on and on and on... The right wingers who often dwell on these wars are often the most racist and intolerant of people. Referring constantly to this is preventing us from moving on. It still affects our political decisions - Remember Brexit and these constant references to WW2, hatred for Germany and so on? There are more urgent causes than commemorating this war non stop. One day a year for all these would be enough. Inequalities such as homelessness, racism, lack of social mobility etc... are current issues that need to be tackled now. And there’s no risk of the Germans getting in the way. The current gvt however, yea! Looking backwards won’t improve the world as it is.Comparing 1966 world cup final to remembering the dead of two world wars !" You need to read a bit more carefully. I didn't compare the two... I a just saying that we like dwelling on things instead of moving forward.  | |||
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"When will stop with WW2? We seem to commemorate this war every two weeks. I’ve got so much respect for the people - from ALL countries- who fought at the time but it’s just too much now. Time to look ahead. Of course, we shouldn’t forget but I’m personally fed up with the constant glorification of ww2 in this country. It is not glorification. It is a stark reminder of what happens when people are intolerant. General Eisenhower wanted as much photographic and news reel footage as possible, covering Nazi death camps. His reason being that one day someone will deny this happened ! This country is glorifying this war endlessly. There’s no risk of anybody forgetting it. It’s non stop! OK, Britain won it ( with other countries too) but it’s a bit like the football world in 66, it’s just on and on and on and on... The right wingers who often dwell on these wars are often the most racist and intolerant of people. Referring constantly to this is preventing us from moving on. It still affects our political decisions - Remember Brexit and these constant references to WW2, hatred for Germany and so on? There are more urgent causes than commemorating this war non stop. One day a year for all these would be enough. Inequalities such as homelessness, racism, lack of social mobility etc... are current issues that need to be tackled now. And there’s no risk of the Germans getting in the way. The current gvt however, yea! Looking backwards won’t improve the world as it is.Comparing 1966 world cup final to remembering the dead of two world wars ! You need to read a bit more carefully. I didn't compare the two... I a just saying that we like dwelling on things instead of moving forward. What, like slavery ? Just saying" can't have it both ways! | |||
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"The problem being is not the genuine protesters that want their voice to be heard, that's fully what I stand for, but the hangers on and people that go along to these things just to cause trouble and incite violence I have no time for. What's worse is they deject from the actual issue at hand "Exactly. If there was a protest tomorrow about animal welfare, the same mindless idiots will still turn up to deface property and loot. | |||
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"Every day has some celebration. On the day he was killed it was Africa Day and also Greek Pride Day. The response by black folk is a necessity and it needed to be acted on now, at it's most relevant point. no it doesn't Those protesters are just scum What needed to be acted on was the police standing idly by as the vandalism happened in front of them,and the sickening spectacle of them one one knee in front of a rabble of lowlife. That's what's this country has come to,surrender by authority to the mob. It disgusts me to the core Dear Disgusted from Skelmersdale, what did you think to the public murder of a man, already prone and not posing any threat to his executioner?" I think that all the police involved were suspended and the one kneeling on him was charged with murder I also think that as this happened in America, those lowlife rioting in this country have zero reason to behave as they did | |||
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"Change is often slow but I honestly believe things have improved dramatically in my lifetime." Things have changed immensely and it's an insult to all the people that spent their lives struggling for that change to protest in a way that makes it appear that somehow the world is more racist today than ever has been. I fear these protests will do more harm than good | |||
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"Change is often slow but I honestly believe things have improved dramatically in my lifetime. Things have changed immensely and it's an insult to all the people that spent their lives struggling for that change to protest in a way that makes it appear that somehow the world is more racist today than ever has been. I fear these protests will do more harm than good " That is also my fear. It is a fine balance getting things right. | |||
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"BLM are bringing people together at a time when we are meant to be avoiding each other for fear of virus spreading, so they clearly don’t think the lives matter that much. Why aren’t there protests and riots when US police kill a while guy ? The number of while guys killed by police Each year far exceeds the number of black people killed. And why riot in the UK?? I don’t get it "How stunningly naïve and mis-informed | |||
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"This is a very controversial but this is my own opinion to which I'm entitled to so pleasure discuss yours below. Do not attack me or others for their opinions Today is June 6th it is and will always be the anniversary of D-day. I think BLM should stop protesting for one day to remember the men who gave their life for their right to protest. The more the protesters vandlise war memorials they get less and less respect You think the landing in Dunkirk was about men giving their life for [black people] to have the right to protest? I think that's called whitewashing history. "
Along with how many names on our statues are those of indian,african,pakistani,burmeese, west indian descent? - BTW would love to be proved wrong about this! | |||
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"BLM are bringing people together at a time when we are meant to be avoiding each other for fear of virus spreading, so they clearly don’t think the lives matter that much. Why aren’t there protests and riots when US police kill a while guy ? The number of while guys killed by police Each year far exceeds the number of black people killed. And why riot in the UK?? I don’t get it
How stunningly naïve and mis-informed"Enlighten me. At the moment it makes no sense to me. | |||
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"The glaring irony in all of this is that it has actually never been a better time in all of history to be a minority - of any stripe These Neanderthals were in a state of hysteria and the police were powerless to do a thing about it And the reason they were powerless is because this movement has managed to silence anyone that dares to question their methods and that somehow if you're against a deranged mob tearing down a statue then somehow you must secretly be pro slavery. That is the depths to which the narrative about race has plumbed " I think if you wish to discuss slavery and the depths to which it has plunged we would need to have a conversation that spans 400 years, not one week! | |||
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"Every day has some celebration. On the day he was killed it was Africa Day and also Greek Pride Day. The response by black folk is a necessity and it needed to be acted on now, at it's most relevant point. no it doesn't Those protesters are just scum What needed to be acted on was the police standing idly by as the vandalism happened in front of them,and the sickening spectacle of them one one knee in front of a rabble of lowlife. That's what's this country has come to,surrender by authority to the mob. It disgusts me to the core Dear Disgusted from Skelmersdale, what did you think to the public murder of a man, already prone and not posing any threat to his executioner? I think that all the police involved were suspended and the one kneeling on him was charged with murder I also think that as this happened in America, those lowlife rioting in this country have zero reason to behave as they did" It might have happened in America but if we can go to war in iraq for liberty then surely we can all take a knee for it in this country | |||
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"The majority of immigrants from the countries that you mentioned and their descendants have only been in the country over the last 50 years. Most people fortunate to have a statue have been dead 100+ years. " . This is true, but they did fight in the world wars alongside more traditionally english names. Under the british empire soldiers from those parts of the world went to war alongside soldiers of British descent, was there life worth less? If not then why aren’t those names on the statues (post 1913 statues!) Plus I would never call a slave trader fortunate, no matter what else he did in life. | |||
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"Let's be honest now. BLM is of course an incredibly important movement. One of which I support completely. But there is a vast difference between protesting and rioting/looting and any one who goes on a peaceful protest and comes back with looted goods is not there for the cause. They are there for the violence. " I would suggest this se who are carrying hammers and brooms didnt come for BLM... you only carry those if you have more sinister purposes that you can carry out because police and others are not looking in your direction | |||
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"Lee Rigby was an unarmed white man Lee Rigby was not killed by Police Officers, within a system of structural racism. They are really not comparable. Police officers are people too. There are good and bad much like there are of all vocations. There have been doctors who are killers nursery assistants who are paedophiles and polications who occasionally do some good. To tar the world wide police forces is the same are taring every BLM demonstrator for those that threw a bike at a horse or punched to the ground the policeman that was running away. Discrimination isnt right, we live in a world of discrimination from race, sex, gender, social standing, weight or hair colour. Its all about someone putting someone else down to make themselves feel superior. We need to stop giving people categories because categories only exist to treat things differently. " I think the point being made is that Lee Rigby was killed by terrorists, if that is the standard we hold our police to then god help us all! | |||
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"The statue that was destroyed in Bristol. The chap Coulston ? Was a slave trader ? Didn’t he also set up educational establishments in the city and build other civic immenities. I wonder how many bame persons took advantage of the bursaries knowing the history of Coulston. How many went to Coulston hall etc . I just sat there watching it on tv and just thought it was mob mentality. " I mean Jimmy Saville also raised a lot of awareness and money for charity, but no one is defending him - and rightly so! | |||
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"Absolutely not. I hope that they have been recognised with memorials in their homelands. There are monuments to all Commonwealth soldiers in Britain. " You say in their homelands... they didn’t fight under the flag of their homelands, they died next to their white commrades, so why is it the names on memorials in this country are all white yet all races died and bled in the same mud. | |||
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"The statue that was destroyed in Bristol. The chap Coulston ? Was a slave trader ? Didn’t he also set up educational establishments in the city and build other civic immenities. I wonder how many bame persons took advantage of the bursaries knowing the history of Coulston. How many went to Coulston hall etc . I just sat there watching it on tv and just thought it was mob mentality. I mean Jimmy Saville also raised a lot of awareness and money for charity, but no one is defending him - and rightly so!" People follow the money, they did in 1636 and in 1980! Bristol would have been a shit hole, coulston collected slaves off black African princes and took them to America, perhaps the people of Bristol hated it, but money talks when you have sod all, remember people still believed in witches lol saville, people knew but he bought it big bucks and was a star, similar in some ways perhaps? And the African princes, they carried on making money selling people to. | |||
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"This is a very controversial but this is my own opinion to which I'm entitled to so pleasure discuss yours below. Do not attack me or others for their opinions Today is June 6th it is and will always be the anniversary of D-day. I think BLM should stop protesting for one day to remember the men who gave their life for their right to protest. The more the protesters vandlise war memorials they get less and less respect Totally agree Del" They should, they didn't, because that's a white man war and to them it not important, like social distances. | |||
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"Absolutely not. I hope that they have been recognised with memorials in their homelands. There are monuments to all Commonwealth soldiers in Britain. You say in their homelands... they didn’t fight under the flag of their homelands, they died next to their white commrades, so why is it the names on memorials in this country are all white yet all races died and bled in the same mud." How big is every local memorial going to be lol some memorials would be bigger than the town lol | |||
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"The statue that was destroyed in Bristol. The chap Coulston ? Was a slave trader ? Didn’t he also set up educational establishments in the city and build other civic immenities. I wonder how many bame persons took advantage of the bursaries knowing the history of Coulston. How many went to Coulston hall etc . I just sat there watching it on tv and just thought it was mob mentality. I mean Jimmy Saville also raised a lot of awareness and money for charity, but no one is defending him - and rightly so! People follow the money, they did in 1636 and in 1980! Bristol would have been a shit hole, coulston collected slaves off black African princes and took them to America, perhaps the people of Bristol hated it, but money talks when you have sod all, remember people still believed in witches lol saville, people knew but he bought it big bucks and was a star, similar in some ways perhaps? And the African princes, they carried on making money selling people to." To think princes “sold” these people is wrong. If a subject was sold as a subject then why chain and shackle them? They were stolen. Although I agree with your point about money, you would assume that in 2020 we can look past defending people over actions that were committed due to money. Money can and never will buy you a consience. | |||
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"This is a very controversial but this is my own opinion to which I'm entitled to so pleasure discuss yours below. Do not attack me or others for their opinions Today is June 6th it is and will always be the anniversary of D-day. I think BLM should stop protesting for one day to remember the men who gave their life for their right to protest. The more the protesters vandlise war memorials they get less and less respect Totally agree Del They should, they didn't, because that's a white man war and to them it not important, like social distances. " BAME people are more likely to die from covid19 | |||
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"This is a very controversial but this is my own opinion to which I'm entitled to so pleasure discuss yours below. Do not attack me or others for their opinions Today is June 6th it is and will always be the anniversary of D-day. I think BLM should stop protesting for one day to remember the men who gave their life for their right to protest. The more the protesters vandlise war memorials they get less and less respect Totally agree Del They should, they didn't, because that's a white man war and to them it not important, like social distances. BAME people are more likely to die from covid19" So Covid-19 is racist than. | |||
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"This is a very controversial but this is my own opinion to which I'm entitled to so pleasure discuss yours below. Do not attack me or others for their opinions Today is June 6th it is and will always be the anniversary of D-day. I think BLM should stop protesting for one day to remember the men who gave their life for their right to protest. The more the protesters vandlise war memorials they get less and less respect " I agree with you,and also have they forgotton the protest are meant to be about George Floyd | |||
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"Absolutely not. I hope that they have been recognised with memorials in their homelands. There are monuments to all Commonwealth soldiers in Britain. You say in their homelands... they didn’t fight under the flag of their homelands, they died next to their white commrades, so why is it the names on memorials in this country are all white yet all races died and bled in the same mud. How big is every local memorial going to be lol some memorials would be bigger than the town lol" This makes sense, but its just a shame that not one ethinic name or even a mention to non white soldiers can be added anywhere when they fought together, bled together, died together all under one flag! | |||
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"The statue that was destroyed in Bristol. The chap Coulston ? Was a slave trader ? Didn’t he also set up educational establishments in the city and build other civic immenities. I wonder how many bame persons took advantage of the bursaries knowing the history of Coulston. How many went to Coulston hall etc . I just sat there watching it on tv and just thought it was mob mentality. I mean Jimmy Saville also raised a lot of awareness and money for charity, but no one is defending him - and rightly so! People follow the money, they did in 1636 and in 1980! Bristol would have been a shit hole, coulston collected slaves off black African princes and took them to America, perhaps the people of Bristol hated it, but money talks when you have sod all, remember people still believed in witches lol saville, people knew but he bought it big bucks and was a star, similar in some ways perhaps? And the African princes, they carried on making money selling people to. To think princes “sold” these people is wrong. If a subject was sold as a subject then why chain and shackle them? They were stolen. Although I agree with your point about money, you would assume that in 2020 we can look past defending people over actions that were committed due to money. Money can and never will buy you a consience." No they were sold, the figures are recorded, they, the princes, would steal men from neighbouring tribes and sell them to white traders, like the Egyptians did and every race previously. It was a huge income for them. | |||
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"Absolutely not. I hope that they have been recognised with memorials in their homelands. There are monuments to all Commonwealth soldiers in Britain. You say in their homelands... they didn’t fight under the flag of their homelands, they died next to their white commrades, so why is it the names on memorials in this country are all white yet all races died and bled in the same mud. How big is every local memorial going to be lol some memorials would be bigger than the town lol This makes sense, but its just a shame that not one ethinic name or even a mention to non white soldiers can be added anywhere when they fought together, bled together, died together all under one flag!" May I suggest that you visit the Memorial Gates in London. Yes, they fought under one flag but their regiment would be in their homeland. You do not find Scottish Highland soldiers names on a war memorial in Cleethorpes. | |||
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"Absolutely not. I hope that they have been recognised with memorials in their homelands. There are monuments to all Commonwealth soldiers in Britain. You say in their homelands... they didn’t fight under the flag of their homelands, they died next to their white commrades, so why is it the names on memorials in this country are all white yet all races died and bled in the same mud. How big is every local memorial going to be lol some memorials would be bigger than the town lol This makes sense, but its just a shame that not one ethinic name or even a mention to non white soldiers can be added anywhere when they fought together, bled together, died together all under one flag!" National memorials give names of all of said regiments... Regardless of race. | |||
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"The statue that was destroyed in Bristol. The chap Coulston ? Was a slave trader ? Didn’t he also set up educational establishments in the city and build other civic immenities. I wonder how many bame persons took advantage of the bursaries knowing the history of Coulston. How many went to Coulston hall etc . I just sat there watching it on tv and just thought it was mob mentality. I mean Jimmy Saville also raised a lot of awareness and money for charity, but no one is defending him - and rightly so! People follow the money, they did in 1636 and in 1980! Bristol would have been a shit hole, coulston collected slaves off black African princes and took them to America, perhaps the people of Bristol hated it, but money talks when you have sod all, remember people still believed in witches lol saville, people knew but he bought it big bucks and was a star, similar in some ways perhaps? And the African princes, they carried on making money selling people to. To think princes “sold” these people is wrong. If a subject was sold as a subject then why chain and shackle them? They were stolen. Although I agree with your point about money, you would assume that in 2020 we can look past defending people over actions that were committed due to money. Money can and never will buy you a consience. No they were sold, the figures are recorded, they, the princes, would steal men from neighbouring tribes and sell them to white traders, like the Egyptians did and every race previously. It was a huge income for them." I think you will find that the figures recorded aren’t of princes selling slaves, but of the price they were sold for to people in America. | |||
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"Absolutely not. I hope that they have been recognised with memorials in their homelands. There are monuments to all Commonwealth soldiers in Britain. You say in their homelands... they didn’t fight under the flag of their homelands, they died next to their white commrades, so why is it the names on memorials in this country are all white yet all races died and bled in the same mud. How big is every local memorial going to be lol some memorials would be bigger than the town lol This makes sense, but its just a shame that not one ethinic name or even a mention to non white soldiers can be added anywhere when they fought together, bled together, died together all under one flag! May I suggest that you visit the Memorial Gates in London. Yes, they fought under one flag but their regiment would be in their homeland. You do not find Scottish Highland soldiers names on a war memorial in Cleethorpes." Yet they fought for a british army. Shame we cant recognise in this country the sacrifice they made for us. | |||
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"The statue that was destroyed in Bristol. The chap Coulston ? Was a slave trader ? Didn’t he also set up educational establishments in the city and build other civic immenities. I wonder how many bame persons took advantage of the bursaries knowing the history of Coulston. How many went to Coulston hall etc . I just sat there watching it on tv and just thought it was mob mentality. I mean Jimmy Saville also raised a lot of awareness and money for charity, but no one is defending him - and rightly so! People follow the money, they did in 1636 and in 1980! Bristol would have been a shit hole, coulston collected slaves off black African princes and took them to America, perhaps the people of Bristol hated it, but money talks when you have sod all, remember people still believed in witches lol saville, people knew but he bought it big bucks and was a star, similar in some ways perhaps? And the African princes, they carried on making money selling people to. To think princes “sold” these people is wrong. If a subject was sold as a subject then why chain and shackle them? They were stolen. Although I agree with your point about money, you would assume that in 2020 we can look past defending people over actions that were committed due to money. Money can and never will buy you a consience. No they were sold, the figures are recorded, they, the princes, would steal men from neighbouring tribes and sell them to white traders, like the Egyptians did and every race previously. It was a huge income for them. I think you will find that the figures recorded aren’t of princes selling slaves, but of the price they were sold for to people in America." Wrong again, goggle it, Edward coulston traded with princes, I think they were Nigerian, they made fortunes, it was such good trade that they never wanted to stop, claiming it was gods will ! | |||
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"The gurkha monument is in Whitehall. These men and others like them are held in the utmost regard." Gurkhas have been fighting for britain since 1885. The gurkha memorial was commissioned in 1997. Where are the names of the soldiers who died for 112 years? | |||
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