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"What are peoples thoughts on cut or uncut. I am currently uncut but thinking of having it cut." I would research what circumcision does to the penis and the sensation lost. | |||
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"I was thinking about when I was younger. Glad I'm still uncut tbh." Does your gland get caught under the head? | |||
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"On a kid for religious reasons or even pre emtive medical reasons it is GENITAL MUTILATION and anyone involved in those cases should be locked up" Totally agree. Children cannot consent and it is no different to fgm | |||
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"I'm circumcised and feel everything no sensitivity lost." How would you know? You don't have a reference penis... | |||
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"I got circumcised 9 years ago (for medical reasons) - I lost no sensitivity, more like the opposite. The healing was the worse - men get on average 4/5 erections a night, imagine stapling two pieces of paper together side-by-side and slowly pulling them apart! I ripped 5 stitches in the first two nights. " Oh I forgot about that bit | |||
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"I'm circumcised and feel everything no sensitivity lost. How would you know? You don't have a reference penis..." This If you were cut as an adult and havent lost sensation then id simply say you have not been fully circumcised. The glands are exposed and maybe this compensates but a foreskin is more sensitive than a the shaft. Cut bloke here btw | |||
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"I got circumcised 9 years ago (for medical reasons) - I lost no sensitivity, more like the opposite. The healing was the worse - men get on average 4/5 erections a night, imagine stapling two pieces of paper together side-by-side and slowly pulling them apart! I ripped 5 stitches in the first two nights. Oh I forgot about that bit " I am never forgetting that bit... waking up in the middle of the night with the stitches slowly ripping whilst the little chap pops his head up to have a look around. A pint glass of ice cubes is your friend at 2am in the morning! | |||
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"I'm circumcised and feel everything no sensitivity lost. How would you know? You don't have a reference penis..." Love the idea of a reference penis. Of course, it would have to be to a British kitemark standard, now that we're free of the tyranny of EU genitalia regulations. | |||
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"I'm circumcised and feel everything no sensitivity lost. How would you know? You don't have a reference penis..." That made me spit my coffee out!  | |||
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"I'm circumcised and feel everything no sensitivity lost. How would you know? You don't have a reference penis... Love the idea of a reference penis. Of course, it would have to be to a British kitemark standard, now that we're free of the tyranny of EU genitalia regulations." Does your cock conform to bs3621?? | |||
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"On a kid for religious reasons or even pre emtive medical reasons it is GENITAL MUTILATION and anyone involved in those cases should be locked up Totally agree. Children cannot consent and it is no different to fgm " I find the clarity about this here vs the clarity in the US so interesting. You can really see how indoctrinated the two countries are about these things. People struggle to question these subject matters effectively when they're so ingrained in the way they are brought up. I do, of course, thing it's a bloody despicable practice. Probably wouldn't if I was american though. | |||
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"I was thinking about when I was younger. Glad I'm still uncut tbh. Does your gland get caught under the head?" How do you mean? | |||
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"I was thinking about when I was younger. Glad I'm still uncut tbh. Does your gland get caught under the head? How do you mean?" Might mean the foreskin getting stuck behind the glands. | |||
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"On a kid for religious reasons or even pre emtive medical reasons it is GENITAL MUTILATION and anyone involved in those cases should be locked up Totally agree. Children cannot consent and it is no different to fgm I find the clarity about this here vs the clarity in the US so interesting. You can really see how indoctrinated the two countries are about these things. People struggle to question these subject matters effectively when they're so ingrained in the way they are brought up. I do, of course, thing it's a bloody despicable practice. Probably wouldn't if I was american though." I went out with an American when I was at university. She had never been with an uncircumcised man - when I first boiinged out of my pants, she reacted like I still had a tail! | |||
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"Yes foreskin getting stuck and tight behind glands" i had the same issue. Feels like its going to split. Mine was fixed without surgery. Go speak to your GP. They may give you steroid cream and buy a fleshlight. Fixed mine | |||
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"I went out with an American when I was at university. She had never been with an uncircumcised man - when I first boiinged out of my pants, she reacted like I still had a tail!" Sounds about right, they often think it's literally disgusting, if all the comments I read on reddit are to be believed. Not played with too many cocks myself, I *think* one was cut but I didn't really notice either way! A good hard uncut cock seems to retract a fair way anyway... I need more data points though to be sure! | |||
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"I went out with an American when I was at university. She had never been with an uncircumcised man - when I first boiinged out of my pants, she reacted like I still had a tail! Sounds about right, they often think it's literally disgusting, if all the comments I read on reddit are to be believed. Not played with too many cocks myself, I *think* one was cut but I didn't really notice either way! A good hard uncut cock seems to retract a fair way anyway... I need more data points though to be sure!" Heard a story from america. Apprantly Rabbi's kiss the penis once its circumcised. This Rabbi had Herpes and ended up spreading it to the babies | |||
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"Yes foreskin getting stuck and tight behind glands i had the same issue. Feels like its going to split. Mine was fixed without surgery. Go speak to your GP. They may give you steroid cream and buy a fleshlight. Fixed mine" Forgive my innocence but whats a fleshlight and how does it help | |||
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"On a kid for religious reasons or even pre emtive medical reasons it is GENITAL MUTILATION and anyone involved in those cases should be locked up Totally agree. Children cannot consent and it is no different to fgm " Here here. Don't do it unless you have need to, OP. That's my advice. Luke | |||
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"Yes foreskin getting stuck and tight behind glands i had the same issue. Feels like its going to split. Mine was fixed without surgery. Go speak to your GP. They may give you steroid cream and buy a fleshlight. Fixed mine Forgive my innocence but whats a fleshlight and how does it help" Basically a latex vagina, looks like a torch. They are very tight when you first get them. So they pull the foreskin back. If you given the cream from GP, use it a couple times a day for week and you willl notice it easier to pull back. Ten using the fleshlight forces the skin to go back. Just use a bit of lube go slowly | |||
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"I can't imagine why anyone would want to be circumcised, unless for medical reasons. We evolved a foreskin, so why would it be a good idea to remove it? This happened before cleanliness/hygiene was ever an issue. And in our modern times, everyone can keep clean easily, so even less reason to continue this barbaric practice. Or am I just biased because I'm uncut?" I think you're biased primarily because you live in a society with that bias. I agree with the bias, but it IS a bias, however logically reasoned. | |||
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I'd 7 days off work, but now 2 weeks on, I'm feeling better, with a further 2-3 weeks to allow full recovery. | |||
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"To be honest, I'm not sure why I asked the question about being biased. Of course I am! I'm just grateful that my parents never had me circumcised... Which begs another question. I think circumcision was far more prevalent in the '50s when I was I born, than it is now. Would I be correct that assumption?" Well it doesn't beg the question, that's a logical fallacy, google the phrase and use it correctly! It does potentially ask one though... a quick google suggest you might be right from a 1990 study... Age % Number Birth-Year 16-24 12.5 1874 1966-1974 25-34 15.9 2111 1956-1975 35-44 26.4 1956 1946-1955 45-59 32.3 2049 1931-19455 Religion % Number None 18.4 4120 Church of England 24.7 2011 Roman Catholic 18.6 678 Other Christian 22.1 863 Non-Christian 55.8 3125 | |||
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"Yes foreskin getting stuck and tight behind glands" There is treatment to try and stretch the tight foreskin before going down the circumcision route. If you haven't already, ask your GP about using a steroid cream combined with massage/manipulation. This worked for our son. | |||
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"To be honest, I'm not sure why I asked the question about being biased. Of course I am! I'm just grateful that my parents never had me circumcised... Which begs another question. I think circumcision was far more prevalent in the '50s when I was I born, than it is now. Would I be correct that assumption?" I seem to remember reading somewhere that when the NHS started, late 40s/eary 50s, it was decided that circumcisions would not be covered for free - and the number willing to pay dropped dramatically. Compare to the USA where foreskin snipping is big bucks for the surgeons, as medical insurance often covers the procedure. One can see why the US medical profession stresses the 'health benefits'. | |||
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"Yes foreskin getting stuck and tight behind glands There is treatment to try and stretch the tight foreskin before going down the circumcision route. If you haven't already, ask your GP about using a steroid cream combined with massage/manipulation. This worked for our son. " Yep, exactly the same as what i did. | |||
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"I got circumcised about 2 years ago So the first 10+ years of my sex life I was uncut Not noticed a massive difference in sensitivity just a slightly different look I've not had any complaints" Not to mansplain but if your foreskin isnt there then by definition you cant have any sense in it. You have lost the sensation of the foreskin. The foreskin is extremely sensitive and has loads of nerve endings. Without any foreskin you have the shaft and the glands but have lost a sensitive part of the penis. | |||
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"What are peoples thoughts on cut or uncut. I am currently uncut but thinking of having it cut." I got circumsiced in my 30s due to an unfortunate zipper accident (yeah dont ask) so I had to do it due to medical reasons. It is not something anyone should want to do imo. You end up with about a 30% sensation loss. Someone who had it done when they where young (which I am against) would not grow up knowing there is a difference but as an adult, yeah I certainly noticed. Not the end of the world obviously and pleasure is still pleasure but if I could have that extra sensation back, I would Only do it for medical reasons. Nothing else is worth it. | |||
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"What are peoples thoughts on cut or uncut. I am currently uncut but thinking of having it cut." I had mine down aged 7, medical reasons. It really troubled me till late teens when the locals forgot to ostricise me and a few others got it done. My was clean operation and the benefits are clean and an opposite attraction to the eye. These days it's simple but a surprise or not depending! I'm pierced upper testicle/trunk it makes me happy. If you like it it's up to you, if the ladies see a Cherry tip looking at them what do you think? I've also got seam distortion from the years and girls go nuts once they've seen it, in action actually I'm beautiful and swinging my big flexible cock for horny... Visibility and visions change as well as focus its not unnatural + I love the color of Pink & Brown flying round.. I used to Hot/pant modelling discreet for the older woman and kicks.. Very nice firm cock fill etc it's so beautiful seeing the Tip revealed in hot white trunks semi rigid.. Mmm no waking now! I'm sure a female would comment | |||
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"In the USA its standard depends on if parents want it and religion. It's not even close to FGM know about the subject before you generalise." I know a lot about the subject. It is genital mutilation. FGM is performed on a female - that is the difference. Removing the labia and clitoris is genital mutilation but so is removing the foreskin. Degrees of mutilation are you implying? Lets not count nerve endings here | |||
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"Nothing to do with nerve endings and with FGM it's done by elder in the family holding the child down..none of that is the case with circumcision. Most Americans are circumcised unless they are a different religion. " You are being incredibly ignorant. 2 years ago there were several babies in NY who died from herpes when the rabbi conducted a version of the bris where they suck the penis after the foreskin is cut. It is a vile and wicked practice . Maimondedes even said part of the reason for the covenany was to dull the sexual urge | |||
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"I think to suggest "it's no different to FGM" is rather dismissive of those who endure FGM. As someone cut in the 70's as a kid - I give it no thought, don't really care one way or the other and have a great sex life regardless. I'm not sure you'd find many victims of FGM who would say the same. There are MANY reasons that boys should not be cut and many arguments that can be used - but to liken it to being the same as something illegal and designed to yield VERY different results is just wrong. I'd be very surprised if the doctor that did mine in 1979 had the same objectives as the Taliban when they dish out FGM! " Im talking about moral equivilence really and in that respect, non medically essential circumcision (ritual for example) is only not considered reprehensible because it has been normalised. Yes girls who have it done suffer but those who say it is 'worse' seem to think there is a moral difference deontologically and that is categorically not the case | |||
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"I got circumcised 9 years ago (for medical reasons) - I lost no sensitivity, more like the opposite. The healing was the worse - men get on average 4/5 erections a night, imagine stapling two pieces of paper together side-by-side and slowly pulling them apart! I ripped 5 stitches in the first two nights. " Should have kept a silver spoon to hand 
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"In the USA its standard depends on if parents want it and religion. It's not even close to FGM know about the subject before you generalise. I know a lot about the subject. It is genital mutilation. FGM is performed on a female - that is the difference. Removing the labia and clitoris is genital mutilation but so is removing the foreskin. Degrees of mutilation are you implying? Lets not count nerve endings here" It's not just removal they sew the wounds together leaving only a tiny hole in order to menstruate through and to conceive via the husband ejaculating into the hole. Many women give birth without surgical opening they have to tear through their scars during delivery some opt for an incision to ease the delivery and many opt to have it resewn up after. When asked why many they answered so they do not have to give their husbands sex. FGM is an abhorrent act it has no medical excuse for it. It is to prevent pleasure for the female, control and destroying female sexuality. Excuses used for male circumcision is hygiene, cultures call it becoming a man when done as a teenager. I say if it isn't medically necessary leave it alone. FGM is nothing like male circumcision | |||
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"I got circumcised 9 years ago (for medical reasons) - I lost no sensitivity, more like the opposite. The healing was the worse - men get on average 4/5 erections a night, imagine stapling two pieces of paper together side-by-side and slowly pulling them apart! I ripped 5 stitches in the first two nights. " I didn't have an erection for about 6 weeks after my operation - it's like my body knew that that wouldn't be a good idea! I did manage to keep opening up the wound every time I changed the bandages (which had to be done daily) though - until I learnt to soak them off in a bath of ice cold water! I couldn't bear clothes in contact with the area for weeks after surgery - so my few days annual leave turned into a few weeks. There is no doubt that some sensation was lost for me - primarily because the head is exposed to the outside world, rather than through loss of the nerve endings on the bit that's removed - but generally speaking I prefer being cut. That said, I wouldn't put myself through it for reasons other than medical necessity. | |||
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"I got circumcised 9 years ago (for medical reasons) - I lost no sensitivity, more like the opposite. The healing was the worse - men get on average 4/5 erections a night, imagine stapling two pieces of paper together side-by-side and slowly pulling them apart! I ripped 5 stitches in the first two nights. Should have kept a silver spoon to hand
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"There isn't any sensation lost when it's cut, and personally I think it looks nicer cut and obviously is more hygienic. But really it should be only cut for medical reasons.. But hey people have fat out there arse injected into their lips for cosmetic purposes so don't suppose it matters "How can you not lose sensation when part of it is in the bin? Pretty sure you're no longer getting those sensations... | |||
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"There isn't any sensation lost when it's cut, and personally I think it looks nicer cut and obviously is more hygienic." No, maybe, and no. Watch the documentary quoted earlier in the thread. Sensation is lost, because you're cutting off a large section of skin filled with sensitive nerve endings. It much reduces the area available for pleasurable contact. The head desensitises. This is clear, as in the first few weeks even underwear can be unpleasant. That isn't just due to the injury. The brain eventually recognises that it doesn't need to respond to so much contact in that area, so there's loss of sensation for a second reason. The skin on the head also toughens up over a much longer period. What looks better is entirely dependent on the individual. It isn't just a look for preference either. In the UK where most are uncut, some people just won't know how to best give pleasure, since they don't often experience cut men. It isn't more hygienic, unless you're in the habit of not washing anyway. In Fab terms, it's a pretty basic rule that everyone involved should be shower fresh. So many myths persist around the subject. | |||
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"There isn't any sensation lost when it's cut, and personally I think it looks nicer cut and obviously is more hygienic. No, maybe, and no. Watch the documentary quoted earlier in the thread. Sensation is lost, because you're cutting off a large section of skin filled with sensitive nerve endings. It much reduces the area available for pleasurable contact. The head desensitises. This is clear, as in the first few weeks even underwear can be unpleasant. That isn't just due to the injury. The brain eventually recognises that it doesn't need to respond to so much contact in that area, so there's loss of sensation for a second reason. The skin on the head also toughens up over a much longer period. What looks better is entirely dependent on the individual. It isn't just a look for preference either. In the UK where most are uncut, some people just won't know how to best give pleasure, since they don't often experience cut men. It isn't more hygienic, unless you're in the habit of not washing anyway. In Fab terms, it's a pretty basic rule that everyone involved should be shower fresh. So many myths persist around the subject." Well said. Im amazed at the men who have been circumcised as adults aee saying they lose no sensation. You litedally lose all the foreskin sensation and the glands become toughened from exposure. | |||
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"Guys who have had it cut like myself would totally disagree that it loses sensation. But you go on and believe your Google articles or Wikipedia. Also regarding hygiene, when you guys go for a piss some gets trapped under that skin. Fact!" Surely they give it a quick wash after a pee ? | |||
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"Guys who have had it cut like myself would totally disagree that it loses sensation. But you go on and believe your Google articles or Wikipedia. Also regarding hygiene, when you guys go for a piss some gets trapped under that skin. Fact! Surely they give it a quick wash after a pee ? " I thought everyone gives theirs a wash after a pee. | |||
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"Prefer cut personally " On my hotlist...just sayin’  haha | |||
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"No man is washing his cock after a pee " Oh. I guess that was yet another sign with me then | |||
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definitely, so I have a question when I guy goes to the toilet for a pee, where would we even wash them, I've never been on a night out walked into the gents and all 4 hand basins have got a cock being rinsed with tap water.. even funnier trying to dry it with the blower.. especially the Dyson blade..  | |||
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"On a kid for religious reasons or even pre emtive medical reasons it is GENITAL MUTILATION and anyone involved in those cases should be locked up Totally agree. Children cannot consent and it is no different to fgm " Most Americans are circumcised it's a way of life | |||
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"On a kid for religious reasons or even pre emtive medical reasons it is GENITAL MUTILATION and anyone involved in those cases should be locked up Totally agree. Children cannot consent and it is no different to fgm Most Americans are circumcised it's a way of life " Just because it's a way of life doesn't make it right. It's the difference between legally right and morally right. Unless it's medically necessary should be left alone. People forced to change gender because of an accident removing foreskin and there's quite a few cases in America of this happening, I'm quite sure those people would agree they didn't consent to it it shouldn't have been done. Americans stuck in the idea it's more hygienic  less stds well most the population has a cut cock hasn't stopped the millions of stds. The complications of an unnecessary circumcision from scar tissue to nerve damage to entire loss of penis! Should be enough to stop the practice. When they are older let them decide for themself | |||
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"I got circumcised 9 years ago (for medical reasons) - I lost no sensitivity, more like the opposite. The healing was the worse - men get on average 4/5 erections a night, imagine stapling two pieces of paper together side-by-side and slowly pulling them apart! I ripped 5 stitches in the first two nights. Should have kept a silver spoon to hand
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I was not giving it a ‘tap’ with anything after the op - a pint glass of ice cubes did the trick without having to impact anything on my cock at all! "Was it followed by a kiss after sipping hot peppermint tea? 
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"What are peoples thoughts on cut or uncut. I am currently uncut but thinking of having it cut." If it aint broke don't fix it! To be honest it's not going to get you any xtra meets | |||
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If you need it done just do it, if not leave it alone!!!
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"Many years ago I read somewhere that women with un-cut husbands were more likely to get cervical cancer than women with cut husbands. The theory was that the foreskin is a safe haven for pathogens, and not every man washes thoroughly every time. We all have the occasional quickie here and there. So ladies, have a glass of disinfectant beside the box condoms in case he’s an un-cut plague-carrier! You can’t tell by the taste! " More old wives tails  | |||
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"I was circumcised several years ago for medical reasons, the nurse told me the stitches would come out on their own, and or dissolve. Had to cut them out myself after a week or so because they so fucking didn't! "You say you cut them out after only a week? I had the same surgery 3 weeks ago today. Regarding stitches, I was advised prior to and after the OP in written leaflet notes supplied by the hospital, plus backed up by verbal advice from the Surgeon and Nurses on the day & by my GP since, that Self-Dissolving Stitches take around 3 weeks to disappear. However, the advice is to refrain from sexual activity for 4 weeks after said Surgery, and a general piece of advice was to allow these 4 weeks for the stitching to go altogether. My GP's Nurse checked on me after a week and said my stitches were good, and barely visible except to a trained eye! They wouldn't create any issues, and I haven't encountered any problems. | |||
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"On a kid for religious reasons or even pre emtive medical reasons it is GENITAL MUTILATION and anyone involved in those cases should be locked up Totally agree. Children cannot consent and it is no different to fgm Most Americans are circumcised it's a way of life Just because it's a way of life doesn't make it right. It's the difference between legally right and morally right. Unless it's medically necessary should be left alone. People forced to change gender because of an accident removing foreskin and there's quite a few cases in America of this happening, I'm quite sure those people would agree they didn't consent to it it shouldn't have been done. Americans stuck in the idea it's more hygienic less stds well most the population has a cut cock hasn't stopped the millions of stds. The complications of an unnecessary circumcision from scar tissue to nerve damage to entire loss of penis! Should be enough to stop the practice. When they are older let them decide for themself "And Muslims and Jews get circumcised when they are babies.. It's their religion | |||
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"If you have a medical NEED to have it done........do it !! Otherwise, leave alone. Hygiene: not a problem, all that is needed is soap and water. Well, those I my thoughts.... " Shouldn't put soap on genitals.. Should wash it every time you go for a slash, like the Muslims and the Jews do. | |||
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"On a kid for religious reasons or even pre emtive medical reasons it is GENITAL MUTILATION and anyone involved in those cases should be locked up Totally agree. Children cannot consent and it is no different to fgm Most Americans are circumcised it's a way of life Just because it's a way of life doesn't make it right. It's the difference between legally right and morally right. Unless it's medically necessary should be left alone. People forced to change gender because of an accident removing foreskin and there's quite a few cases in America of this happening, I'm quite sure those people would agree they didn't consent to it it shouldn't have been done. Americans stuck in the idea it's more hygienic less stds well most the population has a cut cock hasn't stopped the millions of stds. The complications of an unnecessary circumcision from scar tissue to nerve damage to entire loss of penis! Should be enough to stop the practice. When they are older let them decide for themself
And Muslims and Jews get circumcised when they are babies..
It's their religion "Just because it's religious reasons it makes it right? Fgm is done and they say it's for religious reasons does it make it right? If a religious book said in order to obey your deity you had to cut off one thumb would you do it? To get to heaven and the like you had to cut off a nipple? Sounds ludicrous doesn't it. But that's exactly what it is because it's been done for centuries doesn't make it right. | |||
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"On a kid for religious reasons or even pre emtive medical reasons it is GENITAL MUTILATION and anyone involved in those cases should be locked up Totally agree. Children cannot consent and it is no different to fgm Most Americans are circumcised it's a way of life Just because it's a way of life doesn't make it right. It's the difference between legally right and morally right. Unless it's medically necessary should be left alone. People forced to change gender because of an accident removing foreskin and there's quite a few cases in America of this happening, I'm quite sure those people would agree they didn't consent to it it shouldn't have been done. Americans stuck in the idea it's more hygienic less stds well most the population has a cut cock hasn't stopped the millions of stds. The complications of an unnecessary circumcision from scar tissue to nerve damage to entire loss of penis! Should be enough to stop the practice. When they are older let them decide for themself
And Muslims and Jews get circumcised when they are babies..
It's their religion
Just because it's religious reasons it makes it right? Fgm is done and they say it's for religious reasons does it make it right?
If a religious book said in order to obey your deity you had to cut off one thumb would you do it? To get to heaven and the like you had to cut off a nipple? Sounds ludicrous doesn't it. But that's exactly what it is because it's been done for centuries doesn't make it right. "Dosent say in the Holy book about cutting of nipples or thumbs. Don't know what book you been reading..fgm is a culture thing not religion.. I don't agree with that fgm It's so the woman dosent feel any pleasure they just baby machines | |||
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"On a kid for religious reasons or even pre emtive medical reasons it is GENITAL MUTILATION and anyone involved in those cases should be locked up Totally agree. Children cannot consent and it is no different to fgm Most Americans are circumcised it's a way of life Just because it's a way of life doesn't make it right. It's the difference between legally right and morally right. Unless it's medically necessary should be left alone. People forced to change gender because of an accident removing foreskin and there's quite a few cases in America of this happening, I'm quite sure those people would agree they didn't consent to it it shouldn't have been done. Americans stuck in the idea it's more hygienic less stds well most the population has a cut cock hasn't stopped the millions of stds. The complications of an unnecessary circumcision from scar tissue to nerve damage to entire loss of penis! Should be enough to stop the practice. When they are older let them decide for themself
And Muslims and Jews get circumcised when they are babies..
It's their religion
Just because it's religious reasons it makes it right? Fgm is done and they say it's for religious reasons does it make it right?
If a religious book said in order to obey your deity you had to cut off one thumb would you do it? To get to heaven and the like you had to cut off a nipple? Sounds ludicrous doesn't it. But that's exactly what it is because it's been done for centuries doesn't make it right.
Dosent say in the Holy book about cutting of nipples or thumbs.
Don't know what book you been reading..fgm is a culture thing not religion..
I don't agree with that fgm
It's so the woman dosent feel any pleasure they just baby machines "I never said any holy book stated to cut thumbs or nipples off but if it did would you? The traditions of Holy books are interpreted yet people practice these traditions because they are told it's fact and demanded of for faith. The Qur'an has no word of circumcision and the Bible it's interpreted from the covenant. Doesn't say specifically to circumcise and all the abrhamic religions are based on the same verse. The giving and sharing with God the covenant. The it's also been interpreted as being clean by removing bodily hair and including the shaving of the face and cutting finger nails in the sunnah People have based the religious cutting of the foreskin on a story of the man in his 80s giving a gift to God by cutting his own foreskin with an axe. The books are interpreted differently and people take from it what they will and ignore what they won't. Yet circumcision still is seen as religious. What is the difference between religion and tribal tradition? Faith in the ancestors word. To doubt their reasons would be to end the tradition. | |||
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"..... women with un-cut husbands were more likely to get cervical cancer than women with cut husbands..... More old wives tails" Wikipedia says: “Women's Health A 2017 systematic review found consistent evidence that male circumcision prior to heterosexual contact was associated with a decreased risk of cervical cancer, cervical dysplasia, HSV-2, chlamydia, and syphilis among women. The evidence was less consistent in regards to the potential association of circumcision with women's risk of HPV and HIV.” So if I was a woman (which thank the Lord I’m not, sir), I’d go for the cut because (a) the uncut may be less healthy, and (b) the extra sensitivity may prevent them from staying the distance. | |||
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"..... women with un-cut husbands were more likely to get cervical cancer than women with cut husbands..... More old wives tails Wikipedia says: “Women's Health A 2017 systematic review found consistent evidence that male circumcision prior to heterosexual contact was associated with a decreased risk of cervical cancer, cervical dysplasia, HSV-2, chlamydia, and syphilis among women. The evidence was less consistent in regards to the potential association of circumcision with women's risk of HPV and HIV.” So if I was a woman (which thank the Lord I’m not, sir), I’d go for the cut because (a) the uncut may be less healthy, and (b) the extra sensitivity may prevent them from staying the distance. " Fyi the first sentence above makes no sense Also - relative risk and absolute risk are different things. An increase from 0.7 to 1.4% is a 100% increase but if the risk of complications are 3% then it isnt worth doing. | |||
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"What are peoples thoughts on cut or uncut. I am currently uncut but thinking of having it cut." I got cut when I was 7 no choice | |||
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"On a kid for religious reasons or even pre emtive medical reasons it is GENITAL MUTILATION and anyone involved in those cases should be locked up" Absolutely this! | |||
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"I can't imagine why anyone would want to be circumcised, unless for medical reasons. We evolved a foreskin, so why would it be a good idea to remove it? This happened before cleanliness/hygiene was ever an issue. And in our modern times, everyone can keep clean easily, so even less reason to continue this barbaric practice. Or am I just biased because I'm uncut?" When animals are copulating they are vulnerable to predators and rivals. The reason for the development of the highly sensitive area at the end of the penis was to speed-up insemination. The foreskin evolved to protect this area. Slam! Bam! Thank you, Mam! We humans don’t have these problems with predators or rivals. So it became custom and practice in most civilisations that we know about, to remove the drawback to extended female sexual pleasure and the threat to women’s health. So men, if you REALLY want to satisfy women, get your little pencil sharpened! | |||
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"I can't imagine why anyone would want to be circumcised, unless for medical reasons. We evolved a foreskin, so why would it be a good idea to remove it? This happened before cleanliness/hygiene was ever an issue. And in our modern times, everyone can keep clean easily, so even less reason to continue this barbaric practice. Or am I just biased because I'm uncut? When animals are copulating they are vulnerable to predators and rivals. The reason for the development of the highly sensitive area at the end of the penis was to speed-up insemination. The foreskin evolved to protect this area. Slam! Bam! Thank you, Mam! We humans don’t have these problems with predators or rivals. So it became custom and practice in most civilisations that we know about, to remove the drawback to extended female sexual pleasure and the threat to women’s health. So men, if you REALLY want to satisfy women, get your little pencil sharpened! " In *most* civilisations? | |||
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"I can't imagine why anyone would want to be circumcised, unless for medical reasons. We evolved a foreskin, so why would it be a good idea to remove it? This happened before cleanliness/hygiene was ever an issue. And in our modern times, everyone can keep clean easily, so even less reason to continue this barbaric practice. Or am I just biased because I'm uncut? When animals are copulating they are vulnerable to predators and rivals. The reason for the development of the highly sensitive area at the end of the penis was to speed-up insemination. The foreskin evolved to protect this area. Slam! Bam! Thank you, Mam! We humans don’t have these problems with predators or rivals. So it became custom and practice in most civilisations that we know about, to remove the drawback to extended female sexual pleasure and the threat to women’s health. So men, if you REALLY want to satisfy women, get your little pencil sharpened! " Modern danger THE ZIPPER Not sure you want catch your glands in a zip, I've seen quite a few zip scars  | |||
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"Guys who have had it cut like myself would totally disagree that it loses sensation. But you go on and believe your Google articles or Wikipedia. " Errr, no we "totally" wouldn't. I'm cut, had it done for medical reasons and generally prefer it that way. But some loss of sensation is inevitable - as others have said it's a bit of a double whammy; the sensitive foreskin no longer attached (though I do still have it in a jar!) and the unprotected head becoming desensitised. That said, there is still more than enough sensation for me to enjoy all the usual activities. | |||
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"Guys who have had it cut like myself would totally disagree that it loses sensation. But you go on and believe your Google articles or Wikipedia. Also regarding hygiene, when you guys go for a piss some gets trapped under that skin. Fact! Surely they give it a quick wash after a pee ? " That is very definitely in the realms of "maybe in an ideal world but no chance in the real one". | |||
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"I got circumcised 9 years ago (for medical reasons) - I lost no sensitivity, more like the opposite. The healing was the worse - men get on average 4/5 erections a night, imagine stapling two pieces of paper together side-by-side and slowly pulling them apart! I ripped 5 stitches in the first two nights. " I have had exactly the same. Had mine done for medical reasons a few years ago, after the healing process (which was grim at best) I haven’t lost any sensations, if anything it has been heightened. Considering how things were before?...best thing I’ve done yet | |||
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"On a kid for religious reasons or even pre emtive medical reasons it is GENITAL MUTILATION and anyone involved in those cases should be locked up Totally agree. Children cannot consent and it is no different to fgm Most Americans are circumcised it's a way of life Just because it's a way of life doesn't make it right. It's the difference between legally right and morally right. Unless it's medically necessary should be left alone. People forced to change gender because of an accident removing foreskin and there's quite a few cases in America of this happening, I'm quite sure those people would agree they didn't consent to it it shouldn't have been done. Americans stuck in the idea it's more hygienic less stds well most the population has a cut cock hasn't stopped the millions of stds. The complications of an unnecessary circumcision from scar tissue to nerve damage to entire loss of penis! Should be enough to stop the practice. When they are older let them decide for themself
And Muslims and Jews get circumcised when they are babies..
It's their religion
Just because it's religious reasons it makes it right? Fgm is done and they say it's for religious reasons does it make it right?
If a religious book said in order to obey your deity you had to cut off one thumb would you do it? To get to heaven and the like you had to cut off a nipple? Sounds ludicrous doesn't it. But that's exactly what it is because it's been done for centuries doesn't make it right.
Dosent say in the Holy book about cutting of nipples or thumbs.
Don't know what book you been reading..fgm is a culture thing not religion..
I don't agree with that fgm
It's so the woman dosent feel any pleasure they just baby machines
I never said any holy book stated to cut thumbs or nipples off but if it did would you?
The traditions of Holy books are interpreted yet people practice these traditions because they are told it's fact and demanded of for faith.
The Qur'an has no word of circumcision and the Bible it's interpreted from the covenant. Doesn't say specifically to circumcise and all the abrhamic religions are based on the same verse. The giving and sharing with God the covenant.
The it's also been interpreted as being clean by removing bodily hair and including the shaving of the face and cutting finger nails in the sunnah
People have based the religious cutting of the foreskin on a story of the man in his 80s giving a gift to God by cutting his own foreskin with an axe. The books are interpreted differently and people take from it what they will and ignore what they won't. Yet circumcision still is seen as religious.
What is the difference between religion and tribal tradition? Faith in the ancestors word. To doubt their reasons would be to end the tradition. "No holy book would say cut your thumbs or nipples of Fgm is a culture thing Go and read upon circumcisions and get some knowledge | |||
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"I've never seen any Muslims or Jews rinsing their cock in a public wash basin either.. just saying! It's not really the thing to do in public toilets is it, just imagine walking in and all the guys have their knobs flopped in the sink "You take water in the cubicle with you duh | |||
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"On a kid for religious reasons or even pre emtive medical reasons it is GENITAL MUTILATION and anyone involved in those cases should be locked up Totally agree. Children cannot consent and it is no different to fgm Most Americans are circumcised it's a way of life Just because it's a way of life doesn't make it right. It's the difference between legally right and morally right. Unless it's medically necessary should be left alone. People forced to change gender because of an accident removing foreskin and there's quite a few cases in America of this happening, I'm quite sure those people would agree they didn't consent to it it shouldn't have been done. Americans stuck in the idea it's more hygienic less stds well most the population has a cut cock hasn't stopped the millions of stds. The complications of an unnecessary circumcision from scar tissue to nerve damage to entire loss of penis! Should be enough to stop the practice. When they are older let them decide for themself
And Muslims and Jews get circumcised when they are babies..
It's their religion
Just because it's religious reasons it makes it right? Fgm is done and they say it's for religious reasons does it make it right?
If a religious book said in order to obey your deity you had to cut off one thumb would you do it? To get to heaven and the like you had to cut off a nipple? Sounds ludicrous doesn't it. But that's exactly what it is because it's been done for centuries doesn't make it right.
Dosent say in the Holy book about cutting of nipples or thumbs.
Don't know what book you been reading..fgm is a culture thing not religion..
I don't agree with that fgm
It's so the woman dosent feel any pleasure they just baby machines
I never said any holy book stated to cut thumbs or nipples off but if it did would you?
The traditions of Holy books are interpreted yet people practice these traditions because they are told it's fact and demanded of for faith.
The Qur'an has no word of circumcision and the Bible it's interpreted from the covenant. Doesn't say specifically to circumcise and all the abrhamic religions are based on the same verse. The giving and sharing with God the covenant.
The it's also been interpreted as being clean by removing bodily hair and including the shaving of the face and cutting finger nails in the sunnah
People have based the religious cutting of the foreskin on a story of the man in his 80s giving a gift to God by cutting his own foreskin with an axe. The books are interpreted differently and people take from it what they will and ignore what they won't. Yet circumcision still is seen as religious.
What is the difference between religion and tribal tradition? Faith in the ancestors word. To doubt their reasons would be to end the tradition.
No holy book would say cut your thumbs or nipples of
Fgm is a culture thing
Go and read upon circumcisions and get some knowledge
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"I'm circumcised and feel everything no sensitivity lost." How do you know? | |||
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"On a kid for religious reasons or even pre emtive medical reasons it is GENITAL MUTILATION and anyone involved in those cases should be locked up Totally agree. Children cannot consent and it is no different to fgm Most Americans are circumcised it's a way of life Just because it's a way of life doesn't make it right. It's the difference between legally right and morally right. Unless it's medically necessary should be left alone. People forced to change gender because of an accident removing foreskin and there's quite a few cases in America of this happening, I'm quite sure those people would agree they didn't consent to it it shouldn't have been done. Americans stuck in the idea it's more hygienic less stds well most the population has a cut cock hasn't stopped the millions of stds. The complications of an unnecessary circumcision from scar tissue to nerve damage to entire loss of penis! Should be enough to stop the practice. When they are older let them decide for themself
And Muslims and Jews get circumcised when they are babies..
It's their religion
Just because it's religious reasons it makes it right? Fgm is done and they say it's for religious reasons does it make it right?
If a religious book said in order to obey your deity you had to cut off one thumb would you do it? To get to heaven and the like you had to cut off a nipple? Sounds ludicrous doesn't it. But that's exactly what it is because it's been done for centuries doesn't make it right.
Dosent say in the Holy book about cutting of nipples or thumbs.
Don't know what book you been reading..fgm is a culture thing not religion..
I don't agree with that fgm
It's so the woman dosent feel any pleasure they just baby machines
I never said any holy book stated to cut thumbs or nipples off but if it did would you?
The traditions of Holy books are interpreted yet people practice these traditions because they are told it's fact and demanded of for faith.
The Qur'an has no word of circumcision and the Bible it's interpreted from the covenant. Doesn't say specifically to circumcise and all the abrhamic religions are based on the same verse. The giving and sharing with God the covenant.
The it's also been interpreted as being clean by removing bodily hair and including the shaving of the face and cutting finger nails in the sunnah
People have based the religious cutting of the foreskin on a story of the man in his 80s giving a gift to God by cutting his own foreskin with an axe. The books are interpreted differently and people take from it what they will and ignore what they won't. Yet circumcision still is seen as religious.
What is the difference between religion and tribal tradition? Faith in the ancestors word. To doubt their reasons would be to end the tradition.
No holy book would say cut your thumbs or nipples of
Fgm is a culture thing
Go and read upon circumcisions and get some knowledge
You go read up on fgm being religious you'll find it is.
The thumbs and nipples is the absurdity of cutting off a bodypart to appease the faith. Would you do it if it was expected of you is the question I asked and you can't even grasp the concept."Fgm isnt religious- it is a north and west african cultural thing that christians in the area do as well as muslims etc... it is a practice that grew in those areas and was exported to the arab peninsula but isnt a widespread practice outside of african cultures. Hence it isnt a religious practice butna cultural one | |||
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"On a kid for religious reasons or even pre emtive medical reasons it is GENITAL MUTILATION and anyone involved in those cases should be locked up Totally agree. Children cannot consent and it is no different to fgm Most Americans are circumcised it's a way of life Just because it's a way of life doesn't make it right. It's the difference between legally right and morally right. Unless it's medically necessary should be left alone. People forced to change gender because of an accident removing foreskin and there's quite a few cases in America of this happening, I'm quite sure those people would agree they didn't consent to it it shouldn't have been done. Americans stuck in the idea it's more hygienic less stds well most the population has a cut cock hasn't stopped the millions of stds. The complications of an unnecessary circumcision from scar tissue to nerve damage to entire loss of penis! Should be enough to stop the practice. When they are older let them decide for themself
And Muslims and Jews get circumcised when they are babies..
It's their religion
Just because it's religious reasons it makes it right? Fgm is done and they say it's for religious reasons does it make it right?
If a religious book said in order to obey your deity you had to cut off one thumb would you do it? To get to heaven and the like you had to cut off a nipple? Sounds ludicrous doesn't it. But that's exactly what it is because it's been done for centuries doesn't make it right.
Dosent say in the Holy book about cutting of nipples or thumbs.
Don't know what book you been reading..fgm is a culture thing not religion..
I don't agree with that fgm
It's so the woman dosent feel any pleasure they just baby machines
I never said any holy book stated to cut thumbs or nipples off but if it did would you?
The traditions of Holy books are interpreted yet people practice these traditions because they are told it's fact and demanded of for faith.
The Qur'an has no word of circumcision and the Bible it's interpreted from the covenant. Doesn't say specifically to circumcise and all the abrhamic religions are based on the same verse. The giving and sharing with God the covenant.
The it's also been interpreted as being clean by removing bodily hair and including the shaving of the face and cutting finger nails in the sunnah
People have based the religious cutting of the foreskin on a story of the man in his 80s giving a gift to God by cutting his own foreskin with an axe. The books are interpreted differently and people take from it what they will and ignore what they won't. Yet circumcision still is seen as religious.
What is the difference between religion and tribal tradition? Faith in the ancestors word. To doubt their reasons would be to end the tradition.
No holy book would say cut your thumbs or nipples of
Fgm is a culture thing
Go and read upon circumcisions and get some knowledge
You go read up on fgm being religious you'll find it is.
The thumbs and nipples is the absurdity of cutting off a bodypart to appease the faith. Would you do it if it was expected of you is the question I asked and you can't even grasp the concept.
Fgm isnt religious- it is a north and west african cultural thing that christians in the area do as well as muslims etc... it is a practice that grew in those areas and was exported to the arab peninsula but isnt a widespread practice outside of african cultures. Hence it isnt a religious practice butna cultural one"Islamic Shafi'i from Sunni Islam it as a requirement of faith it is obligatory. Shafi'i is one of four schools of Sunni jurisprudence. It relies on the Qur'an and the Hadiths for Sharia. Sharia law takes precedent in Islamic communities over the law of the countries they reside. FGM conducted here is compulsory jail sentence when caught. But it doesn't stop families sending their daughters out of the country to be mutilated. | |||
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"On a kid for religious reasons or even pre emtive medical reasons it is GENITAL MUTILATION and anyone involved in those cases should be locked up Totally agree. Children cannot consent and it is no different to fgm I find the clarity about this here vs the clarity in the US so interesting. You can really see how indoctrinated the two countries are about these things. People struggle to question these subject matters effectively when they're so ingrained in the way they are brought up. I do, of course, thing it's a bloody despicable practice. Probably wouldn't if I was american though. I went out with an American when I was at university. She had never been with an uncircumcised man - when I first boiinged out of my pants, she reacted like I still had a tail!" You used to have a tail??? | |||
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"Prefer cut personally " Me too. Looks nicer and is more hygienic | |||
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"On a kid for religious reasons or even pre emtive medical reasons it is GENITAL MUTILATION and anyone involved in those cases should be locked up Totally agree. Children cannot consent and it is no different to fgm Most Americans are circumcised it's a way of life Just because it's a way of life doesn't make it right. It's the difference between legally right and morally right. Unless it's medically necessary should be left alone. People forced to change gender because of an accident removing foreskin and there's quite a few cases in America of this happening, I'm quite sure those people would agree they didn't consent to it it shouldn't have been done. Americans stuck in the idea it's more hygienic less stds well most the population has a cut cock hasn't stopped the millions of stds. The complications of an unnecessary circumcision from scar tissue to nerve damage to entire loss of penis! Should be enough to stop the practice. When they are older let them decide for themself
And Muslims and Jews get circumcised when they are babies..
It's their religion
Just because it's religious reasons it makes it right? Fgm is done and they say it's for religious reasons does it make it right?
If a religious book said in order to obey your deity you had to cut off one thumb would you do it? To get to heaven and the like you had to cut off a nipple? Sounds ludicrous doesn't it. But that's exactly what it is because it's been done for centuries doesn't make it right.
Dosent say in the Holy book about cutting of nipples or thumbs.
Don't know what book you been reading..fgm is a culture thing not religion..
I don't agree with that fgm
It's so the woman dosent feel any pleasure they just baby machines
I never said any holy book stated to cut thumbs or nipples off but if it did would you?
The traditions of Holy books are interpreted yet people practice these traditions because they are told it's fact and demanded of for faith.
The Qur'an has no word of circumcision and the Bible it's interpreted from the covenant. Doesn't say specifically to circumcise and all the abrhamic religions are based on the same verse. The giving and sharing with God the covenant.
The it's also been interpreted as being clean by removing bodily hair and including the shaving of the face and cutting finger nails in the sunnah
People have based the religious cutting of the foreskin on a story of the man in his 80s giving a gift to God by cutting his own foreskin with an axe. The books are interpreted differently and people take from it what they will and ignore what they won't. Yet circumcision still is seen as religious.
What is the difference between religion and tribal tradition? Faith in the ancestors word. To doubt their reasons would be to end the tradition.
No holy book would say cut your thumbs or nipples of
Fgm is a culture thing
Go and read upon circumcisions and get some knowledge
You go read up on fgm being religious you'll find it is.
The thumbs and nipples is the absurdity of cutting off a bodypart to appease the faith. Would you do it if it was expected of you is the question I asked and you can't even grasp the concept."I don't have Facebook so I can't read up on it You sound like Ed Gein, he use to cut nibbles and thumbs and wear them as necklaces. Fgm is a culture thing in some African countries No Holy book would say cut your nibbles and thumbs off unless your Ed Grin Don't be ignorant all your life. Accept other peoples religion / culture | |||
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"On a kid for religious reasons or even pre emtive medical reasons it is GENITAL MUTILATION and anyone involved in those cases should be locked up Totally agree. Children cannot consent and it is no different to fgm Most Americans are circumcised it's a way of life Just because it's a way of life doesn't make it right. It's the difference between legally right and morally right. Unless it's medically necessary should be left alone. People forced to change gender because of an accident removing foreskin and there's quite a few cases in America of this happening, I'm quite sure those people would agree they didn't consent to it it shouldn't have been done. Americans stuck in the idea it's more hygienic less stds well most the population has a cut cock hasn't stopped the millions of stds. The complications of an unnecessary circumcision from scar tissue to nerve damage to entire loss of penis! Should be enough to stop the practice. When they are older let them decide for themself
And Muslims and Jews get circumcised when they are babies..
It's their religion
Just because it's religious reasons it makes it right? Fgm is done and they say it's for religious reasons does it make it right?
If a religious book said in order to obey your deity you had to cut off one thumb would you do it? To get to heaven and the like you had to cut off a nipple? Sounds ludicrous doesn't it. But that's exactly what it is because it's been done for centuries doesn't make it right.
Dosent say in the Holy book about cutting of nipples or thumbs.
Don't know what book you been reading..fgm is a culture thing not religion..
I don't agree with that fgm
It's so the woman dosent feel any pleasure they just baby machines
I never said any holy book stated to cut thumbs or nipples off but if it did would you?
The traditions of Holy books are interpreted yet people practice these traditions because they are told it's fact and demanded of for faith.
The Qur'an has no word of circumcision and the Bible it's interpreted from the covenant. Doesn't say specifically to circumcise and all the abrhamic religions are based on the same verse. The giving and sharing with God the covenant.
The it's also been interpreted as being clean by removing bodily hair and including the shaving of the face and cutting finger nails in the sunnah
People have based the religious cutting of the foreskin on a story of the man in his 80s giving a gift to God by cutting his own foreskin with an axe. The books are interpreted differently and people take from it what they will and ignore what they won't. Yet circumcision still is seen as religious.
What is the difference between religion and tribal tradition? Faith in the ancestors word. To doubt their reasons would be to end the tradition.
No holy book would say cut your thumbs or nipples of
Fgm is a culture thing
Go and read upon circumcisions and get some knowledge
You go read up on fgm being religious you'll find it is.
The thumbs and nipples is the absurdity of cutting off a bodypart to appease the faith. Would you do it if it was expected of you is the question I asked and you can't even grasp the concept.
Fgm isnt religious- it is a north and west african cultural thing that christians in the area do as well as muslims etc... it is a practice that grew in those areas and was exported to the arab peninsula but isnt a widespread practice outside of african cultures. Hence it isnt a religious practice butna cultural one
Islamic Shafi'i from Sunni Islam it as a requirement of faith it is obligatory. Shafi'i is one of four schools of Sunni jurisprudence.
It relies on the Qur'an and the Hadiths for Sharia.
Sharia law takes precedent in Islamic communities over the law of the countries they reside.
FGM conducted here is compulsory jail sentence when caught. But it doesn't stop families sending their daughters out of the country to be mutilated.
You are going of topic
It's about circumcision not fgm
I don't agree on fgm
Cut cock is so much better and cleaner, I refuse to go with anyone who is uncut
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"On a kid for religious reasons or even pre emtive medical reasons it is GENITAL MUTILATION and anyone involved in those cases should be locked up Totally agree. Children cannot consent and it is no different to fgm Most Americans are circumcised it's a way of life Just because it's a way of life doesn't make it right. It's the difference between legally right and morally right. Unless it's medically necessary should be left alone. People forced to change gender because of an accident removing foreskin and there's quite a few cases in America of this happening, I'm quite sure those people would agree they didn't consent to it it shouldn't have been done. Americans stuck in the idea it's more hygienic less stds well most the population has a cut cock hasn't stopped the millions of stds. The complications of an unnecessary circumcision from scar tissue to nerve damage to entire loss of penis! Should be enough to stop the practice. When they are older let them decide for themself
And Muslims and Jews get circumcised when they are babies..
It's their religion
Just because it's religious reasons it makes it right? Fgm is done and they say it's for religious reasons does it make it right?
If a religious book said in order to obey your deity you had to cut off one thumb would you do it? To get to heaven and the like you had to cut off a nipple? Sounds ludicrous doesn't it. But that's exactly what it is because it's been done for centuries doesn't make it right.
Dosent say in the Holy book about cutting of nipples or thumbs.
Don't know what book you been reading..fgm is a culture thing not religion..
I don't agree with that fgm
It's so the woman dosent feel any pleasure they just baby machines
I never said any holy book stated to cut thumbs or nipples off but if it did would you?
The traditions of Holy books are interpreted yet people practice these traditions because they are told it's fact and demanded of for faith.
The Qur'an has no word of circumcision and the Bible it's interpreted from the covenant. Doesn't say specifically to circumcise and all the abrhamic religions are based on the same verse. The giving and sharing with God the covenant.
The it's also been interpreted as being clean by removing bodily hair and including the shaving of the face and cutting finger nails in the sunnah
People have based the religious cutting of the foreskin on a story of the man in his 80s giving a gift to God by cutting his own foreskin with an axe. The books are interpreted differently and people take from it what they will and ignore what they won't. Yet circumcision still is seen as religious.
What is the difference between religion and tribal tradition? Faith in the ancestors word. To doubt their reasons would be to end the tradition.
No holy book would say cut your thumbs or nipples of
Fgm is a culture thing
Go and read upon circumcisions and get some knowledge
You go read up on fgm being religious you'll find it is.
The thumbs and nipples is the absurdity of cutting off a bodypart to appease the faith. Would you do it if it was expected of you is the question I asked and you can't even grasp the concept.
Fgm isnt religious- it is a north and west african cultural thing that christians in the area do as well as muslims etc... it is a practice that grew in those areas and was exported to the arab peninsula but isnt a widespread practice outside of african cultures. Hence it isnt a religious practice butna cultural one"Correct | |||
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"On a kid for religious reasons or even pre emtive medical reasons it is GENITAL MUTILATION and anyone involved in those cases should be locked up Totally agree. Children cannot consent and it is no different to fgm Most Americans are circumcised it's a way of life Just because it's a way of life doesn't make it right. It's the difference between legally right and morally right. Unless it's medically necessary should be left alone. People forced to change gender because of an accident removing foreskin and there's quite a few cases in America of this happening, I'm quite sure those people would agree they didn't consent to it it shouldn't have been done. Americans stuck in the idea it's more hygienic less stds well most the population has a cut cock hasn't stopped the millions of stds. The complications of an unnecessary circumcision from scar tissue to nerve damage to entire loss of penis! Should be enough to stop the practice. When they are older let them decide for themself
And Muslims and Jews get circumcised when they are babies..
It's their religion
Just because it's religious reasons it makes it right? Fgm is done and they say it's for religious reasons does it make it right?
If a religious book said in order to obey your deity you had to cut off one thumb would you do it? To get to heaven and the like you had to cut off a nipple? Sounds ludicrous doesn't it. But that's exactly what it is because it's been done for centuries doesn't make it right.
Dosent say in the Holy book about cutting of nipples or thumbs.
Don't know what book you been reading..fgm is a culture thing not religion..
I don't agree with that fgm
It's so the woman dosent feel any pleasure they just baby machines
I never said any holy book stated to cut thumbs or nipples off but if it did would you?
The traditions of Holy books are interpreted yet people practice these traditions because they are told it's fact and demanded of for faith.
The Qur'an has no word of circumcision and the Bible it's interpreted from the covenant. Doesn't say specifically to circumcise and all the abrhamic religions are based on the same verse. The giving and sharing with God the covenant.
The it's also been interpreted as being clean by removing bodily hair and including the shaving of the face and cutting finger nails in the sunnah
People have based the religious cutting of the foreskin on a story of the man in his 80s giving a gift to God by cutting his own foreskin with an axe. The books are interpreted differently and people take from it what they will and ignore what they won't. Yet circumcision still is seen as religious.
What is the difference between religion and tribal tradition? Faith in the ancestors word. To doubt their reasons would be to end the tradition.
No holy book would say cut your thumbs or nipples of
Fgm is a culture thing
Go and read upon circumcisions and get some knowledge
You go read up on fgm being religious you'll find it is.
The thumbs and nipples is the absurdity of cutting off a bodypart to appease the faith. Would you do it if it was expected of you is the question I asked and you can't even grasp the concept.
I don't have Facebook so I can't read up on it
You sound like Ed Gein, he use to cut nibbles and thumbs and wear them as necklaces.
Fgm is a culture thing in some African countries
No Holy book would say cut your nibbles and thumbs off unless your Ed Grin
Don't be ignorant all your life. Accept other peoples religion / culture "See my previous post providing evidence of fgm in religion all you have to do is Google that yourself. Your lack of understanding the concept of a religion asking you to cut skin of your Children for the sake of faith is ridiculous. Hence my use of thumbs and nipples, is skin of the penis not part of the body like thumbs and nipples. Wouldnt it be ridiculous to follow a religion that said cut your thumb off but you don't think it's ridiculous to follow one that says cut off foreskin. it is mutilation when it isn't medically necessary no different to cutting off any other body part. | |||
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"In the USA its standard depends on if parents want it and religion. It's not even close to FGM know about the subject before you generalise." As someone in the medical profession (so I do know about these things) I don't see the difference. FGM and circumcision both involve removal of part of the genitals. When done in children who cannot consent (unless needed for medical reasons) it is mutilation and should not be performed. | |||
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"In the USA its standard depends on if parents want it and religion. It's not even close to FGM know about the subject before you generalise. As someone in the medical profession (so I do know about these things) I don't see the difference. FGM and circumcision both involve removal of part of the genitals. When done in children who cannot consent (unless needed for medical reasons) it is mutilation and should not be performed. " I totally agree when it comes to children, any form of FGM or circumcision should be banned unless there is a specific medical reason. As for adults, it's your body, your decision. | |||
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"On a kid for religious reasons or even pre emtive medical reasons it is GENITAL MUTILATION and anyone involved in those cases should be locked up Totally agree. Children cannot consent and it is no different to fgm Most Americans are circumcised it's a way of life Just because it's a way of life doesn't make it right. It's the difference between legally right and morally right. Unless it's medically necessary should be left alone. People forced to change gender because of an accident removing foreskin and there's quite a few cases in America of this happening, I'm quite sure those people would agree they didn't consent to it it shouldn't have been done. Americans stuck in the idea it's more hygienic less stds well most the population has a cut cock hasn't stopped the millions of stds. The complications of an unnecessary circumcision from scar tissue to nerve damage to entire loss of penis! Should be enough to stop the practice. When they are older let them decide for themself
And Muslims and Jews get circumcised when they are babies..
It's their religion
Just because it's religious reasons it makes it right? Fgm is done and they say it's for religious reasons does it make it right?
If a religious book said in order to obey your deity you had to cut off one thumb would you do it? To get to heaven and the like you had to cut off a nipple? Sounds ludicrous doesn't it. But that's exactly what it is because it's been done for centuries doesn't make it right.
Dosent say in the Holy book about cutting of nipples or thumbs.
Don't know what book you been reading..fgm is a culture thing not religion..
I don't agree with that fgm
It's so the woman dosent feel any pleasure they just baby machines
I never said any holy book stated to cut thumbs or nipples off but if it did would you?
The traditions of Holy books are interpreted yet people practice these traditions because they are told it's fact and demanded of for faith.
The Qur'an has no word of circumcision and the Bible it's interpreted from the covenant. Doesn't say specifically to circumcise and all the abrhamic religions are based on the same verse. The giving and sharing with God the covenant.
The it's also been interpreted as being clean by removing bodily hair and including the shaving of the face and cutting finger nails in the sunnah
People have based the religious cutting of the foreskin on a story of the man in his 80s giving a gift to God by cutting his own foreskin with an axe. The books are interpreted differently and people take from it what they will and ignore what they won't. Yet circumcision still is seen as religious.
What is the difference between religion and tribal tradition? Faith in the ancestors word. To doubt their reasons would be to end the tradition.
No holy book would say cut your thumbs or nipples of
Fgm is a culture thing
Go and read upon circumcisions and get some knowledge
You go read up on fgm being religious you'll find it is.
The thumbs and nipples is the absurdity of cutting off a bodypart to appease the faith. Would you do it if it was expected of you is the question I asked and you can't even grasp the concept.
I don't have Facebook so I can't read up on it
You sound like Ed Gein, he use to cut nibbles and thumbs and wear them as necklaces.
Fgm is a culture thing in some African countries
No Holy book would say cut your nibbles and thumbs off unless your Ed Grin
Don't be ignorant all your life. Accept other peoples religion / culture
See my previous post providing evidence of fgm in religion all you have to do is Google that yourself.
Your lack of understanding the concept of a religion asking you to cut skin of your Children for the sake of faith is ridiculous. Hence my use of thumbs and nipples, is skin of the penis not part of the body like thumbs and nipples. Wouldnt it be ridiculous to follow a religion that said cut your thumb off but you don't think it's ridiculous to follow one that says cut off foreskin. it is mutilation when it isn't medically necessary no different to cutting off any other body part."Calm down Mrs Ed Gein We are on about circumcision not fmg or thumbs and nipple Your obsessed with thumbs, nipples | |||
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"On a kid for religious reasons or even pre emtive medical reasons it is GENITAL MUTILATION and anyone involved in those cases should be locked up Totally agree. Children cannot consent and it is no different to fgm Most Americans are circumcised it's a way of life Just because it's a way of life doesn't make it right. It's the difference between legally right and morally right. Unless it's medically necessary should be left alone. People forced to change gender because of an accident removing foreskin and there's quite a few cases in America of this happening, I'm quite sure those people would agree they didn't consent to it it shouldn't have been done. Americans stuck in the idea it's more hygienic less stds well most the population has a cut cock hasn't stopped the millions of stds. The complications of an unnecessary circumcision from scar tissue to nerve damage to entire loss of penis! Should be enough to stop the practice. When they are older let them decide for themself
And Muslims and Jews get circumcised when they are babies..
It's their religion
Just because it's religious reasons it makes it right? Fgm is done and they say it's for religious reasons does it make it right?
If a religious book said in order to obey your deity you had to cut off one thumb would you do it? To get to heaven and the like you had to cut off a nipple? Sounds ludicrous doesn't it. But that's exactly what it is because it's been done for centuries doesn't make it right.
Dosent say in the Holy book about cutting of nipples or thumbs.
Don't know what book you been reading..fgm is a culture thing not religion..
I don't agree with that fgm
It's so the woman dosent feel any pleasure they just baby machines
I never said any holy book stated to cut thumbs or nipples off but if it did would you?
The traditions of Holy books are interpreted yet people practice these traditions because they are told it's fact and demanded of for faith.
The Qur'an has no word of circumcision and the Bible it's interpreted from the covenant. Doesn't say specifically to circumcise and all the abrhamic religions are based on the same verse. The giving and sharing with God the covenant.
The it's also been interpreted as being clean by removing bodily hair and including the shaving of the face and cutting finger nails in the sunnah
People have based the religious cutting of the foreskin on a story of the man in his 80s giving a gift to God by cutting his own foreskin with an axe. The books are interpreted differently and people take from it what they will and ignore what they won't. Yet circumcision still is seen as religious.
What is the difference between religion and tribal tradition? Faith in the ancestors word. To doubt their reasons would be to end the tradition.
No holy book would say cut your thumbs or nipples of
Fgm is a culture thing
Go and read upon circumcisions and get some knowledge
You go read up on fgm being religious you'll find it is.
The thumbs and nipples is the absurdity of cutting off a bodypart to appease the faith. Would you do it if it was expected of you is the question I asked and you can't even grasp the concept.
I don't have Facebook so I can't read up on it
You sound like Ed Gein, he use to cut nibbles and thumbs and wear them as necklaces.
Fgm is a culture thing in some African countries
No Holy book would say cut your nibbles and thumbs off unless your Ed Grin
Don't be ignorant all your life. Accept other peoples religion / culture
See my previous post providing evidence of fgm in religion all you have to do is Google that yourself.
Your lack of understanding the concept of a religion asking you to cut skin of your Children for the sake of faith is ridiculous. Hence my use of thumbs and nipples, is skin of the penis not part of the body like thumbs and nipples. Wouldnt it be ridiculous to follow a religion that said cut your thumb off but you don't think it's ridiculous to follow one that says cut off foreskin. it is mutilation when it isn't medically necessary no different to cutting off any other body part."P.s. Plenty of people go about cutting boobs off to make them bigger Needles in faces and lips, hips, bums, lipo all for vanity but that's OK Be mindful of other people's religions and cultures I know where you can get some thumbs, nipples for your necklace You have to go abroad though | |||
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"Don't be ignorant all your life. Accept other peoples religion / culture See my previous post providing evidence of fgm in religion all you have to do is Google that yourself. Your lack of understanding the concept of a religion asking you to cut skin of your Children for the sake of faith is ridiculous. Hence my use of thumbs and nipples, is skin of the penis not part of the body like thumbs and nipples. Wouldnt it be ridiculous to follow a religion that said cut your thumb off but you don't think it's ridiculous to follow one that says cut off foreskin. it is mutilation when it isn't medically necessary no different to cutting off any other body part.
P.s.
Plenty of people go about cutting boobs off to make them bigger
Needles in faces and lips, hips, bums, lipo all for vanity but that's OK
Be mindful of other people's religions and cultures
I know where you can get some thumbs, nipples for your necklace
You have to go abroad though
"Something being part of another culture doesn't, in any way, make it implicitly OK. Wrong is still wrong. There are, of course, countless examples than can be given in this area, and many people in those cultures need protection from these traditions in very very real terms. A comparison to botox see's just irrelevant at best? I don't recall and babies getting botox injections at birth. I do think it's absolutely fascinating in principle how a culture will defend a practise *because* it's what they do, and have nothing but tradition to back it up with. Tradition is inherently a terrible thing to justify anything for. It can never ever be an argument in favour of anything with any moral judgement against it. | |||
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"I'm circumcised and feel everything no sensitivity lost. How would you know? You don't have a reference penis... Love the idea of a reference penis. Of course, it would have to be to a British kitemark standard, now that we're free of the tyranny of EU genitalia regulations." Would love to be your reference penis | |||
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"Don't be ignorant all your life. Accept other peoples religion / culture See my previous post providing evidence of fgm in religion all you have to do is Google that yourself. Your lack of understanding the concept of a religion asking you to cut skin of your Children for the sake of faith is ridiculous. Hence my use of thumbs and nipples, is skin of the penis not part of the body like thumbs and nipples. Wouldnt it be ridiculous to follow a religion that said cut your thumb off but you don't think it's ridiculous to follow one that says cut off foreskin. it is mutilation when it isn't medically necessary no different to cutting off any other body part.
P.s.
Plenty of people go about cutting boobs off to make them bigger
Needles in faces and lips, hips, bums, lipo all for vanity but that's OK
Be mindful of other people's religions and cultures
I know where you can get some thumbs, nipples for your necklace
You have to go abroad though
Something being part of another culture doesn't, in any way, make it implicitly OK. Wrong is still wrong. There are, of course, countless examples than can be given in this area, and many people in those cultures need protection from these traditions in very very real terms.
A comparison to botox see's just irrelevant at best? I don't recall and babies getting botox injections at birth.
I do think it's absolutely fascinating in principle how a culture will defend a practise *because* it's what they do, and have nothing but tradition to back it up with. Tradition is inherently a terrible thing to justify anything for. It can never ever be an argument in favour of anything with any moral judgement against it."In principle, of course, no one can defend non medical body modification on children who are too young to consent. However because infant male circumcision is so important to certain religions, I think legislators take the view that it would be more trouble than its worth to do anything about it. Obviously those of us not brought up in those religions think it is ludicrous, but I see the force of the pragmatic argument. | |||
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"In principle, of course, no one can defend non medical body modification on children who are too young to consent. However because infant male circumcision is so important to certain religions, I think legislators take the view that it would be more trouble than its worth to do anything about it. Obviously those of us not brought up in those religions think it is ludicrous, but I see the force of the pragmatic argument. " I wonder what the actual perspectives would be though in many / most US states though. From afar I see legislation being created, not even upheld, based purely on religious and traditional grounds. I have the feeling that in, say, Alabama, the *genuine* reasons for this sort of mutilation not being barred would not be based on the reaction of "the people", or the logistics around it I always get the feeling that the government there would be as supportive of it in it's own right as culture makes it a thing. It's only the absurd articles that get this far, but state legislatures seem to be very much proud to be a result of their own non-questionsing culture most of the time. Cue my attempt to demonstrate that the USA is actually a quasi-religion... | |||
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"On a kid for religious reasons or even pre emtive medical reasons it is GENITAL MUTILATION and anyone involved in those cases should be locked up Totally agree. Children cannot consent and it is no different to fgm Most Americans are circumcised it's a way of life Just because it's a way of life doesn't make it right. It's the difference between legally right and morally right. Unless it's medically necessary should be left alone. People forced to change gender because of an accident removing foreskin and there's quite a few cases in America of this happening, I'm quite sure those people would agree they didn't consent to it it shouldn't have been done. Americans stuck in the idea it's more hygienic less stds well most the population has a cut cock hasn't stopped the millions of stds. The complications of an unnecessary circumcision from scar tissue to nerve damage to entire loss of penis! Should be enough to stop the practice. When they are older let them decide for themself
And Muslims and Jews get circumcised when they are babies..
It's their religion
Just because it's religious reasons it makes it right? Fgm is done and they say it's for religious reasons does it make it right?
If a religious book said in order to obey your deity you had to cut off one thumb would you do it? To get to heaven and the like you had to cut off a nipple? Sounds ludicrous doesn't it. But that's exactly what it is because it's been done for centuries doesn't make it right.
Dosent say in the Holy book about cutting of nipples or thumbs.
Don't know what book you been reading..fgm is a culture thing not religion..
I don't agree with that fgm
It's so the woman dosent feel any pleasure they just baby machines
I never said any holy book stated to cut thumbs or nipples off but if it did would you?
The traditions of Holy books are interpreted yet people practice these traditions because they are told it's fact and demanded of for faith.
The Qur'an has no word of circumcision and the Bible it's interpreted from the covenant. Doesn't say specifically to circumcise and all the abrhamic religions are based on the same verse. The giving and sharing with God the covenant.
The it's also been interpreted as being clean by removing bodily hair and including the shaving of the face and cutting finger nails in the sunnah
People have based the religious cutting of the foreskin on a story of the man in his 80s giving a gift to God by cutting his own foreskin with an axe. The books are interpreted differently and people take from it what they will and ignore what they won't. Yet circumcision still is seen as religious.
What is the difference between religion and tribal tradition? Faith in the ancestors word. To doubt their reasons would be to end the tradition.
No holy book would say cut your thumbs or nipples of
Fgm is a culture thing
Go and read upon circumcisions and get some knowledge
You go read up on fgm being religious you'll find it is.
The thumbs and nipples is the absurdity of cutting off a bodypart to appease the faith. Would you do it if it was expected of you is the question I asked and you can't even grasp the concept.
I don't have Facebook so I can't read up on it
You sound like Ed Gein, he use to cut nibbles and thumbs and wear them as necklaces.
Fgm is a culture thing in some African countries
No Holy book would say cut your nibbles and thumbs off unless your Ed Grin
Don't be ignorant all your life. Accept other peoples religion / culture
See my previous post providing evidence of fgm in religion all you have to do is Google that yourself.
Your lack of understanding the concept of a religion asking you to cut skin of your Children for the sake of faith is ridiculous. Hence my use of thumbs and nipples, is skin of the penis not part of the body like thumbs and nipples. Wouldnt it be ridiculous to follow a religion that said cut your thumb off but you don't think it's ridiculous to follow one that says cut off foreskin. it is mutilation when it isn't medically necessary no different to cutting off any other body part.
P.s.
Plenty of people go about cutting boobs off to make them bigger
Needles in faces and lips, hips, bums, lipo all for vanity but that's OK
Be mindful of other people's religions and cultures
I know where you can get some thumbs, nipples for your necklace
You have to go abroad though
"Be mindful?! I have more understanding of other people's religions than you do. Using abuse as tradition or religious reasoning is wrong. No matter which religion is doing it. I should be mindful of women being executed via stoning or beheading because they were r@ped and men get away without a problem. So everyone should be mindful let them get on with it??? You're an ignorant person who has no empathy or consideration for others. You talk of people doing things for vanity but they are adults who choose to do it to themselves! They consent to it. An infant or child forced to have skin removed which isn't medically necessary hasn't consented. | |||
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"What are peoples thoughts on cut or uncut. I am currently uncut but thinking of having it cut." Don't unless medical reason why | |||
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"I'm circumcised and feel everything no sensitivity lost. How would you know? You don't have a reference penis..." Good answer! | |||
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"I'm cut, no sensation lost, nice n clean too" Your foreskin is as sensitive as it always was? You really sure about that..? | |||
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"What an interesting thread this has become. People don’t seem to understand some of the basics facts about “culture”. There are no such things in the Universe or in Nature as “Right”, “Wrong” and “Morals”. All “rights”, “wrongs” and “morals” are cultural inventions which enable very large groups of people to co-operate in societies. FGM is morally right in the cultures that practise it. And the people in those cultures believe that our culture is morally wrong, and for excellent reasons. Here are just three of them: 1. It is morally wrong that the people of a culture stuff their children full of American fast food so that they get fat and die young. 2. It is morally wrong that parents are not held responsible when their children are caught carrying deadly weapons around our streets. 3. It is morally wrong that people put their parents in “homes” instead of caring for them just as they were cared for when they were children. People posting to this thread seem to believe that it would be morally right to impose their set of “rights”, “wrongs” and “morals” on people of different cultures, who have different sets of “rights”, “wrongs” and “morals”. And so do the Islamic jihadist and terrorists. " Some excellent points there, of course. We can see from our own culture that morality is a moving target with a culture though, not just between different ones. So whilst I get what you mean, many many people in FGM permissive cultures still believe its morally wrong. And if course vice versa on ours in a few edge cases... For my part I would say I, like basically everyone, talk my own frame of reference by default and it can be hard to zoom out of that. At some point though, zoom out too far and you've no reference points to discuss. | |||
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"What an interesting thread this has become. People don’t seem to understand some of the basics facts about “culture”. There are no such things in the Universe or in Nature as “Right”, “Wrong” and “Morals”. All “rights”, “wrongs” and “morals” are cultural inventions which enable very large groups of people to co-operate in societies. FGM is morally right in the cultures that practise it. And the people in those cultures believe that our culture is morally wrong, and for excellent reasons. Here are just three of them: 1. It is morally wrong that the people of a culture stuff their children full of American fast food so that they get fat and die young. 2. It is morally wrong that parents are not held responsible when their children are caught carrying deadly weapons around our streets. 3. It is morally wrong that people put their parents in “homes” instead of caring for them just as they were cared for when they were children. People posting to this thread seem to believe that it would be morally right to impose their set of “rights”, “wrongs” and “morals” on people of different cultures, who have different sets of “rights”, “wrongs” and “morals”. And so do the Islamic jihadist and terrorists. " Entering the realms of philosophical ethics. I would say there is a Kantian argument against ritual circumcision that is irrefutable deontologically speaking. Id also say that whilst morality would appear to be subjective this isnt necessarily the case and moral relativism has a lot of problems. Some moralities are more moral than others | |||
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"I'm cut, no sensation lost, nice n clean too" I can only say that some years ago, due to an infection, my foreskin was trapped back for 3-4 days. I could barely walk due to how sensitive the head of my cock was. Thankfully things cleared up and I never needed more extreme treatment like circumcision. As for cleanliness, it's a myth. Your cock is designed to have a foreskin to be naturally lubricated. | |||
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"What an interesting thread this has become. People don’t seem to understand some of the basics facts about “culture”. There are no such things in the Universe or in Nature as “Right”, “Wrong” and “Morals”. All “rights”, “wrongs” and “morals” are cultural inventions which enable very large groups of people to co-operate in societies. FGM is morally right in the cultures that practise it. And the people in those cultures believe that our culture is morally wrong, and for excellent reasons. Here are just three of them: 1. It is morally wrong that the people of a culture stuff their children full of American fast food so that they get fat and die young. 2. It is morally wrong that parents are not held responsible when their children are caught carrying deadly weapons around our streets. 3. It is morally wrong that people put their parents in “homes” instead of caring for them just as they were cared for when they were children. People posting to this thread seem to believe that it would be morally right to impose their set of “rights”, “wrongs” and “morals” on people of different cultures, who have different sets of “rights”, “wrongs” and “morals”. And so do the Islamic jihadist and terrorists. " What a load of preposterous wank. It used to be considered morally correct to hold slaves, to sacrifice people to the gods. Civilisation moves on and inflicting unnecessary pain and potential long term harm (it really does happen) is child abuse. You want to be circumcised experience FGM for religious reasons, do it when you're an adult. Leave kids to make their own decisions once they are an adult. | |||
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"On a kid for religious reasons or even pre emtive medical reasons it is GENITAL MUTILATION and anyone involved in those cases should be locked up Totally agree. Children cannot consent and it is no different to fgm Most Americans are circumcised it's a way of life Just because it's a way of life doesn't make it right. It's the difference between legally right and morally right. Unless it's medically necessary should be left alone. People forced to change gender because of an accident removing foreskin and there's quite a few cases in America of this happening, I'm quite sure those people would agree they didn't consent to it it shouldn't have been done. Americans stuck in the idea it's more hygienic less stds well most the population has a cut cock hasn't stopped the millions of stds. The complications of an unnecessary circumcision from scar tissue to nerve damage to entire loss of penis! Should be enough to stop the practice. When they are older let them decide for themself
And Muslims and Jews get circumcised when they are babies..
It's their religion
Just because it's religious reasons it makes it right? Fgm is done and they say it's for religious reasons does it make it right?
If a religious book said in order to obey your deity you had to cut off one thumb would you do it? To get to heaven and the like you had to cut off a nipple? Sounds ludicrous doesn't it. But that's exactly what it is because it's been done for centuries doesn't make it right.
Dosent say in the Holy book about cutting of nipples or thumbs.
Don't know what book you been reading..fgm is a culture thing not religion..
I don't agree with that fgm
It's so the woman dosent feel any pleasure they just baby machines
I never said any holy book stated to cut thumbs or nipples off but if it did would you?
The traditions of Holy books are interpreted yet people practice these traditions because they are told it's fact and demanded of for faith.
The Qur'an has no word of circumcision and the Bible it's interpreted from the covenant. Doesn't say specifically to circumcise and all the abrhamic religions are based on the same verse. The giving and sharing with God the covenant.
The it's also been interpreted as being clean by removing bodily hair and including the shaving of the face and cutting finger nails in the sunnah
People have based the religious cutting of the foreskin on a story of the man in his 80s giving a gift to God by cutting his own foreskin with an axe. The books are interpreted differently and people take from it what they will and ignore what they won't. Yet circumcision still is seen as religious.
What is the difference between religion and tribal tradition? Faith in the ancestors word. To doubt their reasons would be to end the tradition.
No holy book would say cut your thumbs or nipples of
Fgm is a culture thing
Go and read upon circumcisions and get some knowledge
You go read up on fgm being religious you'll find it is.
The thumbs and nipples is the absurdity of cutting off a bodypart to appease the faith. Would you do it if it was expected of you is the question I asked and you can't even grasp the concept.
I don't have Facebook so I can't read up on it
You sound like Ed Gein, he use to cut nibbles and thumbs and wear them as necklaces.
Fgm is a culture thing in some African countries
No Holy book would say cut your nibbles and thumbs off unless your Ed Grin
Don't be ignorant all your life. Accept other peoples religion / culture
See my previous post providing evidence of fgm in religion all you have to do is Google that yourself.
Your lack of understanding the concept of a religion asking you to cut skin of your Children for the sake of faith is ridiculous. Hence my use of thumbs and nipples, is skin of the penis not part of the body like thumbs and nipples. Wouldnt it be ridiculous to follow a religion that said cut your thumb off but you don't think it's ridiculous to follow one that says cut off foreskin. it is mutilation when it isn't medically necessary no different to cutting off any other body part.
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Plenty of people go about cutting boobs off to make them bigger
Needles in faces and lips, hips, bums, lipo all for vanity but that's OK
Be mindful of other people's religions and cultures
I know where you can get some thumbs, nipples for your necklace
You have to go abroad though
Be mindful?! I have more understanding of other people's religions than you do. Using abuse as tradition or religious reasoning is wrong. No matter which religion is doing it.
I should be mindful of women being executed via stoning or beheading because they were r@ped and men get away without a problem. So everyone should be mindful let them get on with it??? You're an ignorant person who has no empathy or consideration for others.
You talk of people doing things for vanity but they are adults who choose to do it to themselves! They consent to it. An infant or child forced to have skin removed which isn't medically necessary hasn't consented.
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"I'm circumcised and feel everything no sensitivity lost. How would you know? You don't have a reference penis... Love the idea of a reference penis. Of course, it would have to be to a British kitemark standard, now that we're free of the tyranny of EU genitalia regulations." Awesome, a good laugh to start the day. Thanks | |||
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" Entering the realms of philosophical ethics. I would say there is a Kantian argument against ritual circumcision that is irrefutable deontologically speaking. Id also say that whilst morality would appear to be subjective this isnt necessarily the case and moral relativism has a lot of problems. Some moralities are more moral than others" You’ve missed the point, mate! Deontological (rule-based) ethics and consequentialism are opposing ethical concepts dreamed-up by philosophers in our western society. Many societies don’t even have philosophers, much less opposing ethical concepts. My point is that what we regard as being right and wrong is different from what people in other cultures regard as being right and wrong. And we should not attempt to force our beliefs on people in different cultures. | |||
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"What a load of preposterous wank. It used to be considered morally correct to hold slaves, to sacrifice people to the gods. Civilisation moves on and inflicting unnecessary pain and potential long term harm (it really does happen) is child abuse. You want to be circumcised experience FGM for religious reasons, do it when you're an adult. Leave kids to make their own decisions once they are an adult. " The point that you are missing is that FGM isn’t child abuse in the countries where it is practised. The people in those countries have different views about what is “right”, what is “wrong”, and what is “moral”. Why does FGM exist? I don’t know, but a possible reason could be as follows; An area of a continent has become over-populated. There are too many people, and too few resources to support them. The people of the various tribes and states are constantly fighting wars against their neighbours in attempts to grab more resources. There is therefore a general shortage of virile young men, because they are the ones who get killed in the battles. In order to give every woman the chance to have a man to support her and give her children, the rulers create a religious law that states that every man must take as many wives as he can afford to support. But it is difficult for a man to keep multiple wives sexually satisfied, so there is all sorts of domestic trouble and strife. So the rulers make another religious law that states that every girl must undergo FGM as a baby. This means that the wives get far less pleasure from sexual intercourse, and make far fewer demands on their Lord and Master. Result: domestic bliss in the harems. An individual woman will not think that FGM is wrong because she isn’t aware of the resulting loss of sexual pleasure. From the point of view of the whole tribes and states, it is right, because it enables many more women to be supported by husbands and have children. The basic reasons for the religious laws are probably long gone, but FGM and harems linger on because the people believe they are right. Eradicating them could cause cultural collapse. | |||
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"Why does FGM exist? I don’t know, but a possible reason could be as follows; *STUFF HERE* Eradicating them could cause cultural collapse. " I appreciate your position but even in this example, you've spent 245 words building a potential, theoretical reason for something existing and then 6 at the end deciding that it's probably important and unchangeable. Nah. What should be appreciated, I'd suggest, is that there is a massively strong link between the developmental status of a country and the progressive / socialist politics of it. The more a country develops economically, the more their social attitude moves to the "left". Socialised healthcare creeps in and the likes. So you could be correct on the house of cards you've created, absolutely, and changing that ONE piece of the jigsaw somehow (how??) *could* be destabilising, if / as / when these countries develop it's basically a given that their views will evolve to see many of their customs as wrong. We certainly did it throughout the industrial revolution and into today, and it's very possible to see other countries follow in these well trodden footsteps. | |||
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"What a load of preposterous wank. It used to be considered morally correct to hold slaves, to sacrifice people to the gods. Civilisation moves on and inflicting unnecessary pain and potential long term harm (it really does happen) is child abuse. You want to be circumcised experience FGM for religious reasons, do it when you're an adult. Leave kids to make their own decisions once they are an adult. The point that you are missing is that FGM isn’t child abuse in the countries where it is practised. The people in those countries have different views about what is “right”, what is “wrong”, and what is “moral”. Why does FGM exist? I don’t know, but a possible reason could be as follows; An area of a continent has become over-populated. There are too many people, and too few resources to support them. The people of the various tribes and states are constantly fighting wars against their neighbours in attempts to grab more resources. There is therefore a general shortage of virile young men, because they are the ones who get killed in the battles. In order to give every woman the chance to have a man to support her and give her children, the rulers create a religious law that states that every man must take as many wives as he can afford to support. But it is difficult for a man to keep multiple wives sexually satisfied, so there is all sorts of domestic trouble and strife. So the rulers make another religious law that states that every girl must undergo FGM as a baby. This means that the wives get far less pleasure from sexual intercourse, and make far fewer demands on their Lord and Master. Result: domestic bliss in the harems. An individual woman will not think that FGM is wrong because she isn’t aware of the resulting loss of sexual pleasure. From the point of view of the whole tribes and states, it is right, because it enables many more women to be supported by husbands and have children. The basic reasons for the religious laws are probably long gone, but FGM and harems linger on because the people believe they are right. Eradicating them could cause cultural collapse. " Just so you know fgm isnt generally done as a baby it's typically done from the ages of 7 to 15, without anaesthetic. No one has the right to do this to them. | |||
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"Well you're moving on from preposterous wank to include racism now. Child abuse is child abuse whether it's deemed legal in a particular country or not. Your "theories" as to why there may be FGM in certain countries is also nonsense. FGM is about controlling women's sex lives by destroying sex as a pleasurable experience, in many cases making it extremely painful. There are many forms of abuse to children, adults, animals around the world that the overwhelming majority of this country would never accept. That it may be deemed legal or acceptable under some religions is no reason to argue that we should say it's okay. If an adult wants to be circumcised because they like the look or for religious reasons that is their choice. Nobody should mutilate another person's body without their permission and a child cannot give such permission." So FGM has been mentioned to be too extreme compared to Circumcision. Valid or not, how about going milder, and within "our" culture... ear piercing. Personally I think it's just as immoral to pierce a babies ears as to circumcise them. Exactly the same issues, the same lack of consent, even if the consequences are far far milder. Wrong is still wrong. | |||
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