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"Start small and build up? What if he teases you or plays you up so much so you respond by punishing him? Practice on someone else? What if he tells you exactly what to do and you just remember that you’re pleasing him? Once you start you may see his reaction and get power or satisfaction from that to build up? Get someone else to Domme him while you watch? Join in when ready? " It's kinda weird because no matter how hard I try it doesn't feel right to me. | |||
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"Start small and build up? What if he teases you or plays you up so much so you respond by punishing him? Practice on someone else? What if he tells you exactly what to do and you just remember that you’re pleasing him? Once you start you may see his reaction and get power or satisfaction from that to build up? Get someone else to Domme him while you watch? Join in when ready? It's kinda weird because no matter how hard I try it doesn't feel right to me. " Have you tried with other people? People you don’t care about? | |||
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"Are you really willing to enter into a long term relationship when you already know you're not sexually compatible? Are you seriously considering forcing yourself to be something other than yourself? Is there a compromise to be found? How about you both search out someone who can be a dom to the pair of you I have to ask this in a non combative way. Would you be considering trying to be a domme if he wasn't wealthy?" This is precisely my way of thinking. | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him?" We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. " Why are you staying with him? Again in a non combative way. | |||
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"Start small and build up? What if he teases you or plays you up so much so you respond by punishing him? Practice on someone else? What if he tells you exactly what to do and you just remember that you’re pleasing him? Once you start you may see his reaction and get power or satisfaction from that to build up? Get someone else to Domme him while you watch? Join in when ready? It's kinda weird because no matter how hard I try it doesn't feel right to me. " Then it is not going to work. I was once seeing a woman who wanted me to be dom. I just couldn't do it. I am not dom. | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. " I'm confused now. You've called him Mr Perfect in your original post yet now you're saying you have no feelings for him, so why not just walk away from him and find someone who enjoys sex in the same way that you do? | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. Why are you staying with him? Again in a non combative way." Because if I walked out of this relationship I might regret it. So I am giving it a chance. | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. Why are you staying with him? Again in a non combative way. Because if I walked out of this relationship I might regret it. So I am giving it a chance. " So you do want to try it? I’m congused too because earlier you say it doesn’t feel right? | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. Why are you staying with him? Again in a non combative way. Because if I walked out of this relationship I might regret it. So I am giving it a chance. " Well I don't know you or him but I'd say you'll regret it if you do give it a chance. You've started out trying to be someone you're not, he's not falling in love with you he's falling in love with the person you're pretending to be. That isn't fair. | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. Why are you staying with him? Again in a non combative way." Money | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. I'm confused now. You've called him Mr Perfect in your original post yet now you're saying you have no feelings for him, so why not just walk away from him and find someone who enjoys sex in the same way that you do? " He is Mr Perfect. The dream of every woman. He is great in everything... but sex. | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. Why are you staying with him? Again in a non combative way. Because if I walked out of this relationship I might regret it. So I am giving it a chance. Well I don't know you or him but I'd say you'll regret it if you do give it a chance. You've started out trying to be someone you're not, he's not falling in love with you he's falling in love with the person you're pretending to be. That isn't fair. " I am not saying you are wrong. Then again I am thinking of other women who have married successful men without loving them... | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. Why are you staying with him? Again in a non combative way. Money " Yes. It's difficult to say no the a guy who earns half a million pounds per year. | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. Why are you staying with him? Again in a non combative way. Because if I walked out of this relationship I might regret it. So I am giving it a chance. Well I don't know you or him but I'd say you'll regret it if you do give it a chance. You've started out trying to be someone you're not, he's not falling in love with you he's falling in love with the person you're pretending to be. That isn't fair. I am not saying you are wrong. Then again I am thinking of other women who have married successful men without loving them... " I'm not saying love is necessary to a good marriage it depends on how you view life and what you want out of it. I do think that a certain honesty is though. It's interesting that you're trying to change to suit him, have you thought of asking him to try and change? | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. I'm confused now. You've called him Mr Perfect in your original post yet now you're saying you have no feelings for him, so why not just walk away from him and find someone who enjoys sex in the same way that you do? He is Mr Perfect. The dream of every woman. He is great in everything... but sex. " He's not my dream man; money doesn't make me happy. | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. Why are you staying with him? Again in a non combative way. Because if I walked out of this relationship I might regret it. So I am giving it a chance. Well I don't know you or him but I'd say you'll regret it if you do give it a chance. You've started out trying to be someone you're not, he's not falling in love with you he's falling in love with the person you're pretending to be. That isn't fair. I am not saying you are wrong. Then again I am thinking of other women who have married successful men without loving them... I'm not saying love is necessary to a good marriage it depends on how you view life and what you want out of it. I do think that a certain honesty is though. It's interesting that you're trying to change to suit him, have you thought of asking him to try and change?" I was going to say that. Is he a sub or just passive in bed? Does he want you to dominate him? | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. Why are you staying with him? Again in a non combative way. Because if I walked out of this relationship I might regret it. So I am giving it a chance. Well I don't know you or him but I'd say you'll regret it if you do give it a chance. You've started out trying to be someone you're not, he's not falling in love with you he's falling in love with the person you're pretending to be. That isn't fair. I am not saying you are wrong. Then again I am thinking of other women who have married successful men without loving them... " Money can't buy happiness ...life is about more than a nice house and wealth. If your not being who you truly are from within you will never have that connection if you have to force yourself to pretend to be someone your not. The sheer fact you are writing this post shows it is a big deal for you | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. Why are you staying with him? Again in a non combative way. Money Yes. It's difficult to say no the a guy who earns half a million pounds per year. " I think you've summed up your true motivation in just that one post to be honest - and no it's not difficult to say no to that at all, if you are completely honest with yourself and see that money doesn't buy happiness | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. I'm confused now. You've called him Mr Perfect in your original post yet now you're saying you have no feelings for him, so why not just walk away from him and find someone who enjoys sex in the same way that you do? He is Mr Perfect. The dream of every woman. He is great in everything... but sex. " In which case he’s not Mr perfect and not every women dreams of the same thing in a man. But then again few people are perfect. It all depends on which imperfect bits we have to live with. Some are more important than others. | |||
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" . So your willing to be unhappy to be with someone who has money? All your mentioning in him being perfect is his money. What about his personality? " I haven't seen her say she would be unhappy. | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. Why are you staying with him? Again in a non combative way. Money Yes. It's difficult to say no the a guy who earns half a million pounds per year. " money isn't everything you know. You'll learn. | |||
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" I have met that guy who is Mr Perfect. Good job, earns ridiculous amounts of money, huge property. " This rings alarm bells..... The first things I will describe about someone I find perfect will not be their financial status.... I’m more into intelligence, kindness , and cooking skills.... first | |||
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"Imagine a guy had posted asking how he could fool his rich lover so the relationship could continue. He'd get slaughtered not helpful advice on how to continue with his gold digging scam " You must be new here..... | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. I'm confused now. You've called him Mr Perfect in your original post yet now you're saying you have no feelings for him, so why not just walk away from him and find someone who enjoys sex in the same way that you do? He is Mr Perfect. The dream of every woman. He is great in everything... but sex. " Then he isn't Mr perfect is he?! Take away the money and the house.... Would you still try as hard? | |||
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"I admit I have always been submissive. I have tried been dominant before without success. Sadly I have to pretend right now. I have met that guy who is Mr Perfect. Good job, earns ridiculous amounts of money, huge property. Other women would kill to be in my shoes. So guess what. Sex is rubbish with him because he is the most submissive man I have ever met in bed, and I struggle to be dominant. Oh, and he is serious. He wants more than sex and the potential of putting a ring on it. Any suggestions?" Make up a shopping list of things you want like a car, boat, villa abroad, clothing, shoes, huge allowance etc And be dominant and demand that he buys them for you. He might change his tune and start accepting your more submissive side | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. Why are you staying with him? Again in a non combative way. Money Yes. It's difficult to say no the a guy who earns half a million pounds per year. " It’s actually really easy, I’m independent perhaps to a fault I’m successful in my career and have enjoyed the money that comes with it, men with money have no attraction to me if anything it puts me off and makes me feel distaste if they try to spoil me, I hD an ex once tried to pay for his own birthday dinner because I couldn’t afford it !!!! Excuse me ??? I wouldn’t have taken you to the place if I couldn’t afford it ! Needless to say I’d rather meet hard working joe who’s an equal than be a kept woman | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. Why are you staying with him? Again in a non combative way. Because if I walked out of this relationship I might regret it. So I am giving it a chance. Well I don't know you or him but I'd say you'll regret it if you do give it a chance. You've started out trying to be someone you're not, he's not falling in love with you he's falling in love with the person you're pretending to be. That isn't fair. I am not saying you are wrong. Then again I am thinking of other women who have married successful men without loving them... Money can't buy happiness ...life is about more than a nice house and wealth. If your not being who you truly are from within you will never have that connection if you have to force yourself to pretend to be someone your not. The sheer fact you are writing this post shows it is a big deal for you " Absolutely agree with this. Money is not the be all and end all. Love and compatibility come much, much higher on my list of importance. Good luck OP | |||
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"Start small and build up? What if he teases you or plays you up so much so you respond by punishing him? Practice on someone else? What if he tells you exactly what to do and you just remember that you’re pleasing him? Once you start you may see his reaction and get power or satisfaction from that to build up? Get someone else to Domme him while you watch? Join in when ready? It's kinda weird because no matter how hard I try it doesn't feel right to me. " It wouldn’t to me either. Some people seem to be able to switch and some like us have defined ideas / roles. | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. Why are you staying with him? Again in a non combative way. Money " Nail on the head my friend | |||
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"I admit I have always been submissive. I have tried been dominant before without success. Sadly I have to pretend right now. I have met that guy who is Mr Perfect. Good job, earns ridiculous amounts of money, huge property. Other women would kill to be in my shoes. So guess what. Sex is rubbish with him because he is the most submissive man I have ever met in bed, and I struggle to be dominant. Oh, and he is serious. He wants more than sex and the potential of putting a ring on it. Any suggestions?" Stay with him and get us over once a week to fuck you senseless | |||
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"Are you really willing to enter into a long term relationship when you already know you're not sexually compatible? Are you seriously considering forcing yourself to be something other than yourself? Is there a compromise to be found? How about you both search out someone who can be a dom to the pair of you? I have to ask this in a non combative way. Would you be considering trying to be a domme if he wasn't wealthy?" Have to agree with nice couple, if it's a fundamental big deal for both of you it will create problems in the future. Good luck either way | |||
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"Imagine a guy had posted asking how he could fool his rich lover so the relationship could continue. He'd get slaughtered not helpful advice on how to continue with his gold digging scam " Well said x | |||
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"Imagine a guy had posted asking how he could fool his rich lover so the relationship could continue. He'd get slaughtered not helpful advice on how to continue with his gold digging scam " Well said | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. I'm confused now. You've called him Mr Perfect in your original post yet now you're saying you have no feelings for him, so why not just walk away from him and find someone who enjoys sex in the same way that you do? He is Mr Perfect. The dream of every woman. He is great in everything... but sex. " That isn’t my dream | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. Why are you staying with him? Again in a non combative way. Money Yes. It's difficult to say no the a guy who earns half a million pounds per year. " I mean it is quite easy... Can a mod please just close this thread please before it just turns into something that belongs on Reddit not here...? | |||
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"Tbh you sound a very shallow person, I hope he finds this out for himself " Hopefully before she fleeces him for 50% | |||
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"Tbh you sound a very shallow person, I hope he finds this out for himself Hopefully before she fleeces him for 50% " | |||
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"I admit I have always been submissive. I have tried been dominant before without success. Sadly I have to pretend right now. I have met that guy who is Mr Perfect. Good job, earns ridiculous amounts of money, huge property. Other women would kill to be in my shoes. So guess what. Sex is rubbish with him because he is the most submissive man I have ever met in bed, and I struggle to be dominant. Oh, and he is serious. He wants more than sex and the potential of putting a ring on it. Any suggestions?" Sex is certainly not everything but is he really Mr Right (for you). Sexual compatibility is an important foundation stone of a relationship. What you have to ask yourself is there enough of it there say if you were not able to switch or enjoy switching? Could you both have a rich and fullfilling sex life with you both being submissive? Remember Cupid often likes to play twisted games with humans (a man after my own heart). | |||
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" Yes. It's difficult to say no the a guy who earns half a million pounds per year. " I pay more than that in tax. Fancy sucking my cock and seeing what happens ? | |||
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" Yes. It's difficult to say no the a guy who earns half a million pounds per year. I pay more than that in tax. Fancy sucking my cock and seeing what happens ?" If you’re paying £500,000 I’ll do it (joke admin, please don’t report me!) | |||
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" Yes. It's difficult to say no the a guy who earns half a million pounds per year. " As a fall-back, there's always PPI, workplace injury and accident claims. | |||
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"If he is a successful man then maybe he’s used to being dominant in everyday life so likes the break from that role in bed. Personally I’d be more worried about him being serious. Serious men become seriously boring. A sense of humour in bed can make encounters more fun. Sounds like either you get dominant or get out. Money is nice but after a certain level it only buys you a nicer house, car, holiday but happiness. " Live doesn't always bring happiness either | |||
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"I admit I have always been submissive. I have tried been dominant before without success. Sadly I have to pretend right now. I have met that guy who is Mr Perfect. Good job, earns ridiculous amounts of money, huge property. Other women would kill to be in my shoes. So guess what. Sex is rubbish with him because he is the most submissive man I have ever met in bed, and I struggle to be dominant. Oh, and he is serious. He wants more than sex and the potential of putting a ring on it. Any suggestions?" Shameful | |||
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"If he is a successful man then maybe he’s used to being dominant in everyday life so likes the break from that role in bed. Personally I’d be more worried about him being serious. Serious men become seriously boring. A sense of humour in bed can make encounters more fun. Sounds like either you get dominant or get out. Money is nice but after a certain level it only buys you a nicer house, car, holiday but happiness. Live doesn't always bring happiness either" Or even love | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. Why are you staying with him? Again in a non combative way. Because if I walked out of this relationship I might regret it. So I am giving it a chance. So you do want to try it? I’m congused too because earlier you say it doesn’t feel right? " In bed it feels like a disaster. Everything else is great. | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. Why are you staying with him? Again in a non combative way. Because if I walked out of this relationship I might regret it. So I am giving it a chance. Well I don't know you or him but I'd say you'll regret it if you do give it a chance. You've started out trying to be someone you're not, he's not falling in love with you he's falling in love with the person you're pretending to be. That isn't fair. I am not saying you are wrong. Then again I am thinking of other women who have married successful men without loving them... I'm not saying love is necessary to a good marriage it depends on how you view life and what you want out of it. I do think that a certain honesty is though. It's interesting that you're trying to change to suit him, have you thought of asking him to try and change? I was going to say that. Is he a sub or just passive in bed? Does he want you to dominate him?" He is just the most sub man I have ever seen in my life! He wants me to constantly dominate him, humiliate him etc. In real life he is a man of extreme power by profession. | |||
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" . So your willing to be unhappy to be with someone who has money? All your mentioning in him being perfect is his money. What about his personality? " His personality is also perfect! | |||
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"You say he’s Mr perfect and the first three things you mention are his job, his money and his property I’ve got a spare shovel if you need a spare " When I hit on him I didn't know he was wealthy! I met him in the pub. | |||
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" I have met that guy who is Mr Perfect. Good job, earns ridiculous amounts of money, huge property. This rings alarm bells..... The first things I will describe about someone I find perfect will not be their financial status.... I’m more into intelligence, kindness , and cooking skills.... first" Oh, he has all these skills and an incredible mind. The only problem is the bedroom... | |||
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"Imagine a guy had posted asking how he could fool his rich lover so the relationship could continue. He'd get slaughtered not helpful advice on how to continue with his gold digging scam " I don't think I am doing anything wrong. I have my own extraordinary career and independence. I deserve someone extraordinary. | |||
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"Being sub and being passive/lazy in bed are two completely different things. You need to work out which he is. Sex in a relationship isn't the be all and end all but it certainly helps if you are compatible. See past his money etc, would you still be with him if he lost it all tomorrow? My feeling would be no you wouldn't and really that should be your answer. Good luck op. " Yes. Totally. You are right. The answer would be no. | |||
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"You’re starting out all wrong. As you say you have no feelings for him, motivated by his financial earnings, he doesn’t please you sexually, but you’re keeping him there to provide you with a good life. If you had feelings for him you’d want to please him, you’d find a way, what you’ve done is just try and brag you’ve found yourself a sugar daddy who’s shit in bed. You’ll never be happy in a relationship with him, you just like his money, either just use him for his money and find pleasure in that or be a decent person and tell him the truth that he doesn’t do it for you, either emotionally or sexually. " The reason I am sharing this post is to get advice. Ypu don't want to provide advice if you feel uncomfortable with this post. | |||
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"If you're happy with everything else, his personality etc sex is something that you can work on surely? " That's what I am trying to establish. | |||
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"Tbh you sound a very shallow person, I hope he finds this out for himself " It's a pity you are posting this as a response because I have constantly rejected you. | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. Why are you staying with him? Again in a non combative way. Money Yes. It's difficult to say no the a guy who earns half a million pounds per year. It’s actually really easy, I’m independent perhaps to a fault I’m successful in my career and have enjoyed the money that comes with it, men with money have no attraction to me if anything it puts me off and makes me feel distaste if they try to spoil me, I hD an ex once tried to pay for his own birthday dinner because I couldn’t afford it !!!! Excuse me ??? I wouldn’t have taken you to the place if I couldn’t afford it ! Needless to say I’d rather meet hard working joe who’s an equal than be a kept woman " I see your point. I am also financially independent. However I am attracted to intelligence and power, which is often associated with money. | |||
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"The divorce rate in this country is pretty high. Is it close to 50%? I don't think marrying for love is a guarantee of happiness. I do think that a completely honest approach to a long term relationship improves its chances of success and that if wealth or financial comfort is important you should ensure that you or the person you marry provides it. I think sexual compatibilty is important too judging from the number of people who are unhappy with their partners sexual preferences and appetites on here. In my opinion the op needs to decide if she can compromise on the sexual aspect or if they can work out a way for them both to be sexually fulfilled before going ahead. " I agree with you. I married my ex husband because of love. Our sex life was great, his wallet was bad! It ruined the marriage. It can go either way. | |||
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"Imagine a guy had posted asking how he could fool his rich lover so the relationship could continue. He'd get slaughtered not helpful advice on how to continue with his gold digging scam I don't think I am doing anything wrong. I have my own extraordinary career and independence. I deserve someone extraordinary. " And what does he deserve? Someone that will slag off his sex life and use him. Lucky guy. | |||
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"How shallow are you, if he was skint he would be out on his ass " Definitely! I would not stay with him if he was skinned. | |||
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"I once met a guy who's self build home was so big I got lost looking for the bathroom! He cooked me an amazing meal was very very wealthy but dull as dishwater. Actually came across as misseranlevehen he had so much that should make him happy. He asked to see me again and I said no. Personality and a sense of humour is just so important, without that I'm really not going to be hanging around for king no matter how rich you are. " He is not the first. I have met loads of them. I get to meet loads of wealthy professionals at work. Naturally, I get to date some of them. | |||
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"The divorce rate in this country is pretty high. Is it close to 50%? I don't think marrying for love is a guarantee of happiness. I do think that a completely honest approach to a long term relationship improves its chances of success and that if wealth or financial comfort is important you should ensure that you or the person you marry provides it. I think sexual compatibilty is important too judging from the number of people who are unhappy with their partners sexual preferences and appetites on here. In my opinion the op needs to decide if she can compromise on the sexual aspect or if they can work out a way for them both to be sexually fulfilled before going ahead. I agree with you. I married my ex husband because of love. Our sex life was great, his wallet was bad! It ruined the marriage. It can go either way. " It can go either way. Love as I've said is no guarantee of happiness. I do think that a long term relationship does need mutual respect and a certain honesty. I can't say I agree with your approach but you're honest with yourself and if as you say you're sticking around to see if feelings develop it might be best to be honest with him too. I think that if you hadn't mentioned his financial status and said you were doing this for love you would have had very different answers. I tend to think that whatever makes a relationship work is ok as long as both people are in agreement. | |||
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"Are you really willing to enter into a long term relationship when you already know you're not sexually compatible? Are you seriously considering forcing yourself to be something other than yourself? Is there a compromise to be found? How about you both search out someone who can be a dom to the pair of you? I have to ask this in a non combative way. Would you be considering trying to be a domme if he wasn't wealthy?" Money cannot buy happiness for long. | |||
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"Are you really willing to enter into a long term relationship when you already know you're not sexually compatible? Are you seriously considering forcing yourself to be something other than yourself? Is there a compromise to be found? How about you both search out someone who can be a dom to the pair of you? I have to ask this in a non combative way. Would you be considering trying to be a domme if he wasn't wealthy? Money cannot buy happiness for long." No, it bloody helps though! | |||
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"Are you really willing to enter into a long term relationship when you already know you're not sexually compatible? Are you seriously considering forcing yourself to be something other than yourself? Is there a compromise to be found? How about you both search out someone who can be a dom to the pair of you? I have to ask this in a non combative way. Would you be considering trying to be a domme if he wasn't wealthy? Money cannot buy happiness for long. No, it bloody helps though!" It's a darn site easier to be miserable if you don't need to worry about money. | |||
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"Are you really willing to enter into a long term relationship when you already know you're not sexually compatible? Are you seriously considering forcing yourself to be something other than yourself? Is there a compromise to be found? How about you both search out someone who can be a dom to the pair of you? I have to ask this in a non combative way. Would you be considering trying to be a domme if he wasn't wealthy? Money cannot buy happiness for long. No, it bloody helps though! It's a darn site easier to be miserable if you don't need to worry about money." I've found some of the most miserable are those with it and the happiest mist caring sharing are those without. Often those without have far more to offer. It's a strange world we live in. | |||
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"Too much people judge and not providing an answer to the Op question. Wealthy men understand that some women are with them for there money etc. The difference is some don't mind. Money can't buy happiness but can provide an experience which can lead to happiness. I'd rather be sad in a mansion than on the street. Now where is my wealthy sugar mama." Er scroll up! Plenty of people have provided some things but they aren’t appropriate only so many ideas exist! | |||
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"Are you really willing to enter into a long term relationship when you already know you're not sexually compatible? Are you seriously considering forcing yourself to be something other than yourself? Is there a compromise to be found? How about you both search out someone who can be a dom to the pair of you? I have to ask this in a non combative way. Would you be considering trying to be a domme if he wasn't wealthy? Money cannot buy happiness for long. No, it bloody helps though! It's a darn site easier to be miserable if you don't need to worry about money. I've found some of the most miserable are those with it and the happiest mist caring sharing are those without. Often those without have far more to offer. It's a strange world we live in." I've found that money doesn't make a big difference to whether people are happy or not or whether they are giving and caring. It's my opinion that we place too much emphasis on love in relationships and tend to think it will conquer all...it doesn't. Just loving someone is never enough, you need to have common goals and be prepared to compromise. The op here is asking how she can change herself to make a man who loves her happy and make the relationship work. That's a pretty big commitment and contribution to making a relationship work but because she doesn't love him yet it seems to be seen as wrong. | |||
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"Are you really willing to enter into a long term relationship when you already know you're not sexually compatible? Are you seriously considering forcing yourself to be something other than yourself? Is there a compromise to be found? How about you both search out someone who can be a dom to the pair of you? I have to ask this in a non combative way. Would you be considering trying to be a domme if he wasn't wealthy? Money cannot buy happiness for long. No, it bloody helps though! It's a darn site easier to be miserable if you don't need to worry about money. I've found some of the most miserable are those with it and the happiest mist caring sharing are those without. Often those without have far more to offer. It's a strange world we live in. I've found that money doesn't make a big difference to whether people are happy or not or whether they are giving and caring. It's my opinion that we place too much emphasis on love in relationships and tend to think it will conquer all...it doesn't. Just loving someone is never enough, you need to have common goals and be prepared to compromise. The op here is asking how she can change herself to make a man who loves her happy and make the relationship work. That's a pretty big commitment and contribution to making a relationship work but because she doesn't love him yet it seems to be seen as wrong." Lot of truth in what you say. Many confuse what live is too. There are 8 diferent types of loves in the Greek and the one most commonly used is eros and bundle it in one package. We forget it's only one aspect of love. Many of the others require selfless giving which in our current social climate is often frowned upon as we are in general a selfish society. Mania, pragma and agape are examples of loves that we 'choose' to do and make happen. These have generally been lost in our search for love and maybe as a result our love we have for someone is maybe less stable than it should be. | |||
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"Are you really willing to enter into a long term relationship when you already know you're not sexually compatible? Are you seriously considering forcing yourself to be something other than yourself? Is there a compromise to be found? How about you both search out someone who can be a dom to the pair of you? I have to ask this in a non combative way. Would you be considering trying to be a domme if he wasn't wealthy? Money cannot buy happiness for long. No, it bloody helps though! It's a darn site easier to be miserable if you don't need to worry about money. I've found some of the most miserable are those with it and the happiest mist caring sharing are those without. Often those without have far more to offer. It's a strange world we live in. I've found that money doesn't make a big difference to whether people are happy or not or whether they are giving and caring. It's my opinion that we place too much emphasis on love in relationships and tend to think it will conquer all...it doesn't. Just loving someone is never enough, you need to have common goals and be prepared to compromise. The op here is asking how she can change herself to make a man who loves her happy and make the relationship work. That's a pretty big commitment and contribution to making a relationship work but because she doesn't love him yet it seems to be seen as wrong. Lot of truth in what you say. Many confuse what live is too. There are 8 diferent types of loves in the Greek and the one most commonly used is eros and bundle it in one package. We forget it's only one aspect of love. Many of the others require selfless giving which in our current social climate is often frowned upon as we are in general a selfish society. Mania, pragma and agape are examples of loves that we 'choose' to do and make happen. These have generally been lost in our search for love and maybe as a result our love we have for someone is maybe less stable than it should be. " Great post I can't be bothered discussing 'love' in english, it's such a meaningless concept in our language. One person says "do you love him?" And the other says "yes i love him" - there's no guarantee they are even talking about the same concept. I'd even go as far as to say that most people's idea of 'love' is immature infatuation bought on my personal insecurities, which is so far from my version that it isn't worth the conversation. | |||
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"I very rarely go for the argument that "if a man said this he would be slaughtered, but women get a free pass" but I think that's the case here. Imagine if a man said "I have met this really wealthy woman, I don't really have feelings for her but she has them for me, and I also think sex with her is rubbish. I like her personality,but if she lost her money I would dump her. However I work hard and I think I deserve a wealthy girlfriend. Does anyone of any tips as to what I can do to keep her". I don't think anyone would be saying anything other than that his attitude was appalling. " Make sure you're sat down when you read this... but men and women are different. | |||
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"I very rarely go for the argument that "if a man said this he would be slaughtered, but women get a free pass" but I think that's the case here. Imagine if a man said "I have met this really wealthy woman, I don't really have feelings for her but she has them for me, and I also think sex with her is rubbish. I like her personality,but if she lost her money I would dump her. However I work hard and I think I deserve a wealthy girlfriend. Does anyone of any tips as to what I can do to keep her". I don't think anyone would be saying anything other than that his attitude was appalling. " Some people have said it's a poor attitude. I don't think it's the path the happiness but then what is? I think both partners need to know the terms and conditions attached to any contract they enter into but which of us did when we married? Here's a woman willing to put a hell of a lot of work into a relationship to make it work. Is it wrong because her motive isn't love yet? | |||
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"I very rarely go for the argument that "if a man said this he would be slaughtered, but women get a free pass" but I think that's the case here. Imagine if a man said "I have met this really wealthy woman, I don't really have feelings for her but she has them for me, and I also think sex with her is rubbish. I like her personality,but if she lost her money I would dump her. However I work hard and I think I deserve a wealthy girlfriend. Does anyone of any tips as to what I can do to keep her". I don't think anyone would be saying anything other than that his attitude was appalling. Make sure you're sat down when you read this... but men and women are different. " I know, but I think most people think systems of ethics should apply to both men and women. And most people would think that it's unethical to deceive someone into a relationship with you so you can get access to their wealth. | |||
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"I very rarely go for the argument that "if a man said this he would be slaughtered, but women get a free pass" but I think that's the case here. Imagine if a man said "I have met this really wealthy woman, I don't really have feelings for her but she has them for me, and I also think sex with her is rubbish. I like her personality,but if she lost her money I would dump her. However I work hard and I think I deserve a wealthy girlfriend. Does anyone of any tips as to what I can do to keep her". I don't think anyone would be saying anything other than that his attitude was appalling. Make sure you're sat down when you read this... but men and women are different. I know, but I think most people think systems of ethics should apply to both men and women. And most people would think that it's unethical to deceive someone into a relationship with you so you can get access to their wealth. " It would be unethical to deceive them. I don't think that's what the OP is doing. Don't tell me you've never seen a guy with a trophy wife that has the personality of a mop and bucket. On average, men want beauty in a women, and women want men with resources. As it was in the beginning and ever shall be. Amen. | |||
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"I very rarely go for the argument that "if a man said this he would be slaughtered, but women get a free pass" but I think that's the case here. Imagine if a man said "I have met this really wealthy woman, I don't really have feelings for her but she has them for me, and I also think sex with her is rubbish. I like her personality,but if she lost her money I would dump her. However I work hard and I think I deserve a wealthy girlfriend. Does anyone of any tips as to what I can do to keep her". I don't think anyone would be saying anything other than that his attitude was appalling. Some people have said it's a poor attitude. I don't think it's the path the happiness but then what is? I think both partners need to know the terms and conditions attached to any contract they enter into but which of us did when we married? Here's a woman willing to put a hell of a lot of work into a relationship to make it work. Is it wrong because her motive isn't love yet? " I have no problem at all if she said to him. "I don't like you as much as you like me, and I would not be with you if you were not wealthy. I also think the sex we have had is rubbish and I don't like being dominant with you, but I am willing to work on this". Of course she won't say that as if she did 99%of men would dump her if she did. Hence she is basically deceiving the bloke | |||
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"I very rarely go for the argument that "if a man said this he would be slaughtered, but women get a free pass" but I think that's the case here. Imagine if a man said "I have met this really wealthy woman, I don't really have feelings for her but she has them for me, and I also think sex with her is rubbish. I like her personality,but if she lost her money I would dump her. However I work hard and I think I deserve a wealthy girlfriend. Does anyone of any tips as to what I can do to keep her". I don't think anyone would be saying anything other than that his attitude was appalling. Make sure you're sat down when you read this... but men and women are different. I know, but I think most people think systems of ethics should apply to both men and women. And most people would think that it's unethical to deceive someone into a relationship with you so you can get access to their wealth. It would be unethical to deceive them. I don't think that's what the OP is doing. Don't tell me you've never seen a guy with a trophy wife that has the personality of a mop and bucket. On average, men want beauty in a women, and women want men with resources. As it was in the beginning and ever shall be. Amen. " I actually think it is a bit more complex than that. But in general, and as I say I above, if both parties are agreed that it is a purely contractual exchange of beauty for wealth all is good. However, I think most rich blokes would dump a woman who openly said they would not be with them if they were poor, as the OP has said. She needs to tell him that so he can make an informed choice. | |||
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"I very rarely go for the argument that "if a man said this he would be slaughtered, but women get a free pass" but I think that's the case here. Imagine if a man said "I have met this really wealthy woman, I don't really have feelings for her but she has them for me, and I also think sex with her is rubbish. I like her personality,but if she lost her money I would dump her. However I work hard and I think I deserve a wealthy girlfriend. Does anyone of any tips as to what I can do to keep her". I don't think anyone would be saying anything other than that his attitude was appalling. Some people have said it's a poor attitude. I don't think it's the path the happiness but then what is? I think both partners need to know the terms and conditions attached to any contract they enter into but which of us did when we married? Here's a woman willing to put a hell of a lot of work into a relationship to make it work. Is it wrong because her motive isn't love yet? I have no problem at all if she said to him. "I don't like you as much as you like me, and I would not be with you if you were not wealthy. I also think the sex we have had is rubbish and I don't like being dominant with you, but I am willing to work on this". Of course she won't say that as if she did 99%of men would dump her if she did. Hence she is basically deceiving the bloke " Yes I've said several times that a certain honesty is needed for any relationship to be fully successful. I do think that a lot of people deceive each other to gain a perceived benefit when they enter into a relationship. I think in the west we approach love and marriage from a romanticised view point and it isn't working. | |||
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"I very rarely go for the argument that "if a man said this he would be slaughtered, but women get a free pass" but I think that's the case here. Imagine if a man said "I have met this really wealthy woman, I don't really have feelings for her but she has them for me, and I also think sex with her is rubbish. I like her personality,but if she lost her money I would dump her. However I work hard and I think I deserve a wealthy girlfriend. Does anyone of any tips as to what I can do to keep her". I don't think anyone would be saying anything other than that his attitude was appalling. Some people have said it's a poor attitude. I don't think it's the path the happiness but then what is? I think both partners need to know the terms and conditions attached to any contract they enter into but which of us did when we married? Here's a woman willing to put a hell of a lot of work into a relationship to make it work. Is it wrong because her motive isn't love yet? I have no problem at all if she said to him. "I don't like you as much as you like me, and I would not be with you if you were not wealthy. I also think the sex we have had is rubbish and I don't like being dominant with you, but I am willing to work on this". Of course she won't say that as if she did 99%of men would dump her if she did. Hence she is basically deceiving the bloke Yes I've said several times that a certain honesty is needed for any relationship to be fully successful. I do think that a lot of people deceive each other to gain a perceived benefit when they enter into a relationship. I think in the west we approach love and marriage from a romanticised view point and it isn't working. " I don't disagree with that, but I think most of us would be appalled to discover that the primary reason for our partner being with us was our material wealth. | |||
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"I very rarely go for the argument that "if a man said this he would be slaughtered, but women get a free pass" but I think that's the case here. Imagine if a man said "I have met this really wealthy woman, I don't really have feelings for her but she has them for me, and I also think sex with her is rubbish. I like her personality,but if she lost her money I would dump her. However I work hard and I think I deserve a wealthy girlfriend. Does anyone of any tips as to what I can do to keep her". I don't think anyone would be saying anything other than that his attitude was appalling. Some people have said it's a poor attitude. I don't think it's the path the happiness but then what is? I think both partners need to know the terms and conditions attached to any contract they enter into but which of us did when we married? Here's a woman willing to put a hell of a lot of work into a relationship to make it work. Is it wrong because her motive isn't love yet? I have no problem at all if she said to him. "I don't like you as much as you like me, and I would not be with you if you were not wealthy. I also think the sex we have had is rubbish and I don't like being dominant with you, but I am willing to work on this". Of course she won't say that as if she did 99%of men would dump her if she did. Hence she is basically deceiving the bloke Yes I've said several times that a certain honesty is needed for any relationship to be fully successful. I do think that a lot of people deceive each other to gain a perceived benefit when they enter into a relationship. I think in the west we approach love and marriage from a romanticised view point and it isn't working. I don't disagree with that, but I think most of us would be appalled to discover that the primary reason for our partner being with us was our material wealth. " Your arguement is based on semantic nonsense. There are tactful ways the OP can explain the situation to him that wouldn't cause 99% of men to run away. Most women don't stick with their husbands when they have financial problems so your arguement around "primary reasons" is a distinction without a difference. | |||
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"I very rarely go for the argument that "if a man said this he would be slaughtered, but women get a free pass" but I think that's the case here. Imagine if a man said "I have met this really wealthy woman, I don't really have feelings for her but she has them for me, and I also think sex with her is rubbish. I like her personality,but if she lost her money I would dump her. However I work hard and I think I deserve a wealthy girlfriend. Does anyone of any tips as to what I can do to keep her". I don't think anyone would be saying anything other than that his attitude was appalling. Some people have said it's a poor attitude. I don't think it's the path the happiness but then what is? I think both partners need to know the terms and conditions attached to any contract they enter into but which of us did when we married? Here's a woman willing to put a hell of a lot of work into a relationship to make it work. Is it wrong because her motive isn't love yet? I have no problem at all if she said to him. "I don't like you as much as you like me, and I would not be with you if you were not wealthy. I also think the sex we have had is rubbish and I don't like being dominant with you, but I am willing to work on this". Of course she won't say that as if she did 99%of men would dump her if she did. Hence she is basically deceiving the bloke Yes I've said several times that a certain honesty is needed for any relationship to be fully successful. I do think that a lot of people deceive each other to gain a perceived benefit when they enter into a relationship. I think in the west we approach love and marriage from a romanticised view point and it isn't working. I don't disagree with that, but I think most of us would be appalled to discover that the primary reason for our partner being with us was our material wealth. " Then why do so many wealthy men use that wealth to attract women they would have no chance with if they were poor? | |||
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"I admit I have always been submissive. I have tried been dominant before without success. Sadly I have to pretend right now. I have met that guy who is Mr Perfect. Good job, earns ridiculous amounts of money, huge property. Other women would kill to be in my shoes. So guess what. Sex is rubbish with him because he is the most submissive man I have ever met in bed, and I struggle to be dominant. Oh, and he is serious. He wants more than sex and the potential of putting a ring on it. Any suggestions?" Hmmm, it seems to me like the money and the property are the most important thing here. Would you be making so much effort for Dave the plumber from the local council estate? | |||
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"I very rarely go for the argument that "if a man said this he would be slaughtered, but women get a free pass" but I think that's the case here. Imagine if a man said "I have met this really wealthy woman, I don't really have feelings for her but she has them for me, and I also think sex with her is rubbish. I like her personality,but if she lost her money I would dump her. However I work hard and I think I deserve a wealthy girlfriend. Does anyone of any tips as to what I can do to keep her". I don't think anyone would be saying anything other than that his attitude was appalling. Some people have said it's a poor attitude. I don't think it's the path the happiness but then what is? I think both partners need to know the terms and conditions attached to any contract they enter into but which of us did when we married? Here's a woman willing to put a hell of a lot of work into a relationship to make it work. Is it wrong because her motive isn't love yet? I have no problem at all if she said to him. "I don't like you as much as you like me, and I would not be with you if you were not wealthy. I also think the sex we have had is rubbish and I don't like being dominant with you, but I am willing to work on this". Of course she won't say that as if she did 99%of men would dump her if she did. Hence she is basically deceiving the bloke Yes I've said several times that a certain honesty is needed for any relationship to be fully successful. I do think that a lot of people deceive each other to gain a perceived benefit when they enter into a relationship. I think in the west we approach love and marriage from a romanticised view point and it isn't working. I don't disagree with that, but I think most of us would be appalled to discover that the primary reason for our partner being with us was our material wealth. Your arguement is based on semantic nonsense. There are tactful ways the OP can explain the situation to him that wouldn't cause 99% of men to run away. Most women don't stick with their husbands when they have financial problems so your arguement around "primary reasons" is a distinction without a difference." It be interested to know your source for the statement that "most women don't stick with their husbands when they have financial problems". On the general point, put it this way. If you were aware that, in the early stages of the relationship with your partner that, 1. The aspects of you she found most attractive about you was your material wealth. 2. That she told strangers that she would not be interested in you if you were poor. 3. That she thought sex with you was awful 4. That she didn't really have any feelings for you. 5. That your biggest sexual turn on was repugnant to her. Would you have continued in the relationship? | |||
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"I admit I have always been submissive. I have tried been dominant before without success. Sadly I have to pretend right now. I have met that guy who is Mr Perfect. Good job, earns ridiculous amounts of money, huge property. Other women would kill to be in my shoes. So guess what. Sex is rubbish with him because he is the most submissive man I have ever met in bed, and I struggle to be dominant. Oh, and he is serious. He wants more than sex and the potential of putting a ring on it. Any suggestions? Hmmm, it seems to me like the money and the property are the most important thing here. Would you be making so much effort for Dave the plumber from the local council estate? " Would dave the plumber be with his wife if she had the same personality but 1/10 looks? | |||
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"I very rarely go for the argument that "if a man said this he would be slaughtered, but women get a free pass" but I think that's the case here. Imagine if a man said "I have met this really wealthy woman, I don't really have feelings for her but she has them for me, and I also think sex with her is rubbish. I like her personality,but if she lost her money I would dump her. However I work hard and I think I deserve a wealthy girlfriend. Does anyone of any tips as to what I can do to keep her". I don't think anyone would be saying anything other than that his attitude was appalling. Some people have said it's a poor attitude. I don't think it's the path the happiness but then what is? I think both partners need to know the terms and conditions attached to any contract they enter into but which of us did when we married? Here's a woman willing to put a hell of a lot of work into a relationship to make it work. Is it wrong because her motive isn't love yet? I have no problem at all if she said to him. "I don't like you as much as you like me, and I would not be with you if you were not wealthy. I also think the sex we have had is rubbish and I don't like being dominant with you, but I am willing to work on this". Of course she won't say that as if she did 99%of men would dump her if she did. Hence she is basically deceiving the bloke Yes I've said several times that a certain honesty is needed for any relationship to be fully successful. I do think that a lot of people deceive each other to gain a perceived benefit when they enter into a relationship. I think in the west we approach love and marriage from a romanticised view point and it isn't working. I don't disagree with that, but I think most of us would be appalled to discover that the primary reason for our partner being with us was our material wealth. Then why do so many wealthy men use that wealth to attract women they would have no chance with if they were poor? " I think men are aware that wealth helps to attract women, but I suspect very few men would like to think that, when they are in a relationship, they will get dumped if they lost their wealth. | |||
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"I admit I have always been submissive. I have tried been dominant before without success. Sadly I have to pretend right now. I have met that guy who is Mr Perfect. Good job, earns ridiculous amounts of money, huge property. Other women would kill to be in my shoes. So guess what. Sex is rubbish with him because he is the most submissive man I have ever met in bed, and I struggle to be dominant. Oh, and he is serious. He wants more than sex and the potential of putting a ring on it. Any suggestions? Hmmm, it seems to me like the money and the property are the most important thing here. Would you be making so much effort for Dave the plumber from the local council estate? Would dave the plumber be with his wife if she had the same personality but 1/10 looks? " Are you with your partner just because of her looks and is she with you just because of your wealth? | |||
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"I very rarely go for the argument that "if a man said this he would be slaughtered, but women get a free pass" but I think that's the case here. Imagine if a man said "I have met this really wealthy woman, I don't really have feelings for her but she has them for me, and I also think sex with her is rubbish. I like her personality,but if she lost her money I would dump her. However I work hard and I think I deserve a wealthy girlfriend. Does anyone of any tips as to what I can do to keep her". I don't think anyone would be saying anything other than that his attitude was appalling. Some people have said it's a poor attitude. I don't think it's the path the happiness but then what is? I think both partners need to know the terms and conditions attached to any contract they enter into but which of us did when we married? Here's a woman willing to put a hell of a lot of work into a relationship to make it work. Is it wrong because her motive isn't love yet? I have no problem at all if she said to him. "I don't like you as much as you like me, and I would not be with you if you were not wealthy. I also think the sex we have had is rubbish and I don't like being dominant with you, but I am willing to work on this". Of course she won't say that as if she did 99%of men would dump her if she did. Hence she is basically deceiving the bloke Yes I've said several times that a certain honesty is needed for any relationship to be fully successful. I do think that a lot of people deceive each other to gain a perceived benefit when they enter into a relationship. I think in the west we approach love and marriage from a romanticised view point and it isn't working. I don't disagree with that, but I think most of us would be appalled to discover that the primary reason for our partner being with us was our material wealth. Your arguement is based on semantic nonsense. There are tactful ways the OP can explain the situation to him that wouldn't cause 99% of men to run away. Most women don't stick with their husbands when they have financial problems so your arguement around "primary reasons" is a distinction without a difference. It be interested to know your source for the statement that "most women don't stick with their husbands when they have financial problems". On the general point, put it this way. If you were aware that, in the early stages of the relationship with your partner that, 1. The aspects of you she found most attractive about you was your material wealth. 2. That she told strangers that she would not be interested in you if you were poor. 3. That she thought sex with you was awful 4. That she didn't really have any feelings for you. 5. That your biggest sexual turn on was repugnant to her. Would you have continued in the relationship? " Look at stats for major factors leading to divorce, you'll see money problems near the top of the list. As i said, it's all semantic rubbish. No man wants a fugly wife, no matter how nice her personality and no women would prefer an unemployed, low status husband, no matter how nice his personality. We all lie to each other because we can't go up to a woman and say "i'm not the richest man in the world but you aren't the most beautiful either so i think we're a good fit". But cut through the bullshit and realise that we all calculate our value and look for someone of similar value. Consciously or otherwise. | |||
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"I very rarely go for the argument that "if a man said this he would be slaughtered, but women get a free pass" but I think that's the case here. Imagine if a man said "I have met this really wealthy woman, I don't really have feelings for her but she has them for me, and I also think sex with her is rubbish. I like her personality,but if she lost her money I would dump her. However I work hard and I think I deserve a wealthy girlfriend. Does anyone of any tips as to what I can do to keep her". I don't think anyone would be saying anything other than that his attitude was appalling. Some people have said it's a poor attitude. I don't think it's the path the happiness but then what is? I think both partners need to know the terms and conditions attached to any contract they enter into but which of us did when we married? Here's a woman willing to put a hell of a lot of work into a relationship to make it work. Is it wrong because her motive isn't love yet? I have no problem at all if she said to him. "I don't like you as much as you like me, and I would not be with you if you were not wealthy. I also think the sex we have had is rubbish and I don't like being dominant with you, but I am willing to work on this". Of course she won't say that as if she did 99%of men would dump her if she did. Hence she is basically deceiving the bloke Yes I've said several times that a certain honesty is needed for any relationship to be fully successful. I do think that a lot of people deceive each other to gain a perceived benefit when they enter into a relationship. I think in the west we approach love and marriage from a romanticised view point and it isn't working. I don't disagree with that, but I think most of us would be appalled to discover that the primary reason for our partner being with us was our material wealth. Your arguement is based on semantic nonsense. There are tactful ways the OP can explain the situation to him that wouldn't cause 99% of men to run away. Most women don't stick with their husbands when they have financial problems so your arguement around "primary reasons" is a distinction without a difference. It be interested to know your source for the statement that "most women don't stick with their husbands when they have financial problems". On the general point, put it this way. If you were aware that, in the early stages of the relationship with your partner that, 1. The aspects of you she found most attractive about you was your material wealth. 2. That she told strangers that she would not be interested in you if you were poor. 3. That she thought sex with you was awful 4. That she didn't really have any feelings for you. 5. That your biggest sexual turn on was repugnant to her. Would you have continued in the relationship? Look at stats for major factors leading to divorce, you'll see money problems near the top of the list. As i said, it's all semantic rubbish. No man wants a fugly wife, no matter how nice her personality and no women would prefer an unemployed, low status husband, no matter how nice his personality. We all lie to each other because we can't go up to a woman and say "i'm not the richest man in the world but you aren't the most beautiful either so i think we're a good fit". But cut through the bullshit and realise that we all calculate our value and look for someone of similar value. Consciously or otherwise. " I query how you equate financial problems being one of the leading causes of divorce with most women not sticking with their men when they have financial problems, but there you are. I note you didn't answer my question. Of course we'd all like to know if someone's attitude to them was that of the OP's and of course we would all dump them if we knew that was their attitude. The OP is thus deceiving someone on a matter of importance to them and hence is behaving unethically | |||
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" I query how you equate financial problems being one of the leading causes of divorce with most women not sticking with their men when they have financial problems, but there you are. " How is it not clear? Research by Slater and Gordon found "financial problems are the most common reason for divorce". How could that be unclear? " I note you didn't answer my question. Of course we'd all like to know if someone's attitude to them was that of the OP's and of course we would all dump them if we knew that was their attitude. The OP is thus deceiving someone on a matter of importance to them and hence is behaving unethically " I answered it multiple times. You're question is semantic nonsense based on the delusion that most marriages would survive a financial crisis to start with. | |||
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" I query how you equate financial problems being one of the leading causes of divorce with most women not sticking with their men when they have financial problems, but there you are. How is it not clear? Research by Slater and Gordon found "financial problems are the most common reason for divorce". How could that be unclear? I note you didn't answer my question. Of course we'd all like to know if someone's attitude to them was that of the OP's and of course we would all dump them if we knew that was their attitude. The OP is thus deceiving someone on a matter of importance to them and hence is behaving unethically I answered it multiple times. You're question is semantic nonsense based on the delusion that most marriages would survive a financial crisis to start with. " And how does financial problems being the most common reason for divorce equate to most women leaving men when they have financial problems? Given your theories, can we assume you are with your partner because of her looks and she is with you because of your money? | |||
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"I very rarely go for the argument that "if a man said this he would be slaughtered, but women get a free pass" but I think that's the case here. Imagine if a man said "I have met this really wealthy woman, I don't really have feelings for her but she has them for me, and I also think sex with her is rubbish. I like her personality,but if she lost her money I would dump her. However I work hard and I think I deserve a wealthy girlfriend. Does anyone of any tips as to what I can do to keep her". I don't think anyone would be saying anything other than that his attitude was appalling. Some people have said it's a poor attitude. I don't think it's the path the happiness but then what is? I think both partners need to know the terms and conditions attached to any contract they enter into but which of us did when we married? Here's a woman willing to put a hell of a lot of work into a relationship to make it work. Is it wrong because her motive isn't love yet? I have no problem at all if she said to him. "I don't like you as much as you like me, and I would not be with you if you were not wealthy. I also think the sex we have had is rubbish and I don't like being dominant with you, but I am willing to work on this". Of course she won't say that as if she did 99%of men would dump her if she did. Hence she is basically deceiving the bloke Yes I've said several times that a certain honesty is needed for any relationship to be fully successful. I do think that a lot of people deceive each other to gain a perceived benefit when they enter into a relationship. I think in the west we approach love and marriage from a romanticised view point and it isn't working. I don't disagree with that, but I think most of us would be appalled to discover that the primary reason for our partner being with us was our material wealth. Then why do so many wealthy men use that wealth to attract women they would have no chance with if they were poor? I think men are aware that wealth helps to attract women, but I suspect very few men would like to think that, when they are in a relationship, they will get dumped if they lost their wealth. " And very few of the beautiful women would like to think that they'd be dumped for the next trophy woman hence the women strive to stay young and attractive and the guys strive to remain wealthy. I may not be able to articulate it as well as some but power and wealth attract youth and beauty. The people concerned don't acknowledge it outright that's all. | |||
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"I very rarely go for the argument that "if a man said this he would be slaughtered, but women get a free pass" but I think that's the case here. Imagine if a man said "I have met this really wealthy woman, I don't really have feelings for her but she has them for me, and I also think sex with her is rubbish. I like her personality,but if she lost her money I would dump her. However I work hard and I think I deserve a wealthy girlfriend. Does anyone of any tips as to what I can do to keep her". I don't think anyone would be saying anything other than that his attitude was appalling. Some people have said it's a poor attitude. I don't think it's the path the happiness but then what is? I think both partners need to know the terms and conditions attached to any contract they enter into but which of us did when we married? Here's a woman willing to put a hell of a lot of work into a relationship to make it work. Is it wrong because her motive isn't love yet? I have no problem at all if she said to him. "I don't like you as much as you like me, and I would not be with you if you were not wealthy. I also think the sex we have had is rubbish and I don't like being dominant with you, but I am willing to work on this". Of course she won't say that as if she did 99%of men would dump her if she did. Hence she is basically deceiving the bloke Yes I've said several times that a certain honesty is needed for any relationship to be fully successful. I do think that a lot of people deceive each other to gain a perceived benefit when they enter into a relationship. I think in the west we approach love and marriage from a romanticised view point and it isn't working. I don't disagree with that, but I think most of us would be appalled to discover that the primary reason for our partner being with us was our material wealth. Then why do so many wealthy men use that wealth to attract women they would have no chance with if they were poor? I think men are aware that wealth helps to attract women, but I suspect very few men would like to think that, when they are in a relationship, they will get dumped if they lost their wealth. And very few of the beautiful women would like to think that they'd be dumped for the next trophy woman hence the women strive to stay young and attractive and the guys strive to remain wealthy. I may not be able to articulate it as well as some but power and wealth attract youth and beauty. The people concerned don't acknowledge it outright that's all. " I don't dispute wealth and beauty are factors, but I think it's not true that for most people they are primary factors. Most of us don't swim in millionaire and super model waters, and for most of us the choices are between relatively small degrees of wealth and beauty. Thus person A might be a bet less good looking than person B but we get on better with personal A, in that situation I think most would go for a relationship with A. | |||
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"I admit I have always been submissive. I have tried been dominant before without success. Sadly I have to pretend right now. I have met that guy who is Mr Perfect. Good job, earns ridiculous amounts of money, huge property. Other women would kill to be in my shoes. So guess what. Sex is rubbish with him because he is the most submissive man I have ever met in bed, and I struggle to be dominant. Oh, and he is serious. He wants more than sex and the potential of putting a ring on it. Any suggestions?" I would not kill to be in your shoes . Can be Mr perfect for you ,but not for other ladies . Also my relationships always been build From trust,specially marriage . Pretending is not my thing. if I am with someone is because they mean something to me .sometimes the prince becomes a frog! Other people money is not mine ! So I don't care with that .but we are all different with different priorities . Nobody can advice us or we are honest or we not . | |||
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" Given your theories, can we assume you are with your partner because of her looks and she is with you because of your money? Asks the lawyer with the pretty wife " I don't have a wife. As it happens Katie earns quite a bit more than me, so that's your theory straight out the window in my case.... | |||
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"I very rarely go for the argument that "if a man said this he would be slaughtered, but women get a free pass" but I think that's the case here. Imagine if a man said "I have met this really wealthy woman, I don't really have feelings for her but she has them for me, and I also think sex with her is rubbish. I like her personality,but if she lost her money I would dump her. However I work hard and I think I deserve a wealthy girlfriend. Does anyone of any tips as to what I can do to keep her". I don't think anyone would be saying anything other than that his attitude was appalling. Some people have said it's a poor attitude. I don't think it's the path the happiness but then what is? I think both partners need to know the terms and conditions attached to any contract they enter into but which of us did when we married? Here's a woman willing to put a hell of a lot of work into a relationship to make it work. Is it wrong because her motive isn't love yet? I have no problem at all if she said to him. "I don't like you as much as you like me, and I would not be with you if you were not wealthy. I also think the sex we have had is rubbish and I don't like being dominant with you, but I am willing to work on this". Of course she won't say that as if she did 99%of men would dump her if she did. Hence she is basically deceiving the bloke Yes I've said several times that a certain honesty is needed for any relationship to be fully successful. I do think that a lot of people deceive each other to gain a perceived benefit when they enter into a relationship. I think in the west we approach love and marriage from a romanticised view point and it isn't working. I don't disagree with that, but I think most of us would be appalled to discover that the primary reason for our partner being with us was our material wealth. Then why do so many wealthy men use that wealth to attract women they would have no chance with if they were poor? I think men are aware that wealth helps to attract women, but I suspect very few men would like to think that, when they are in a relationship, they will get dumped if they lost their wealth. And very few of the beautiful women would like to think that they'd be dumped for the next trophy woman hence the women strive to stay young and attractive and the guys strive to remain wealthy. I may not be able to articulate it as well as some but power and wealth attract youth and beauty. The people concerned don't acknowledge it outright that's all. I don't dispute wealth and beauty are factors, but I think it's not true that for most people they are primary factors. Most of us don't swim in millionaire and super model waters, and for most of us the choices are between relatively small degrees of wealth and beauty. Thus person A might be a bet less good looking than person B but we get on better with personal A, in that situation I think most would go for a relationship with A. " They probably would but without a willingness to commit to compromise, change and a degree of honesty the relationship will struggle if they just get along well. in the west we choose our partners based on the flmsiest of reasons. It's luck most of the time if it turns out well. | |||
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" Given your theories, can we assume you are with your partner because of her looks and she is with you because of your money? Asks the lawyer with the pretty wife I don't have a wife. As it happens Katie earns quite a bit more than me, so that's your theory straight out the window in my case.... " How so? You'd disprove my case if katie was beautiful and you were a low status male. Or if you were high status and she was unattractive. | |||
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" Given your theories, can we assume you are with your partner because of her looks and she is with you because of your money? Asks the lawyer with the pretty wife I don't have a wife. As it happens Katie earns quite a bit more than me, so that's your theory straight out the window in my case.... How so? You'd disprove my case if katie was beautiful and you were a low status male. Or if you were high status and she was unattractive. " I thought your theory was that women look for wealth? Obviously someone earning around 60% of what she earns is not wealthy in her terms in that I can't provide her with anything that she doesn't already have. If your theory is merely that people tend to partner up with members of roughly the same social class I'd agree with that. So what's the position with you. You married her because of her looks and she married you for your dosh? | |||
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" Given your theories, can we assume you are with your partner because of her looks and she is with you because of your money? Asks the lawyer with the pretty wife I don't have a wife. As it happens Katie earns quite a bit more than me, so that's your theory straight out the window in my case.... How so? You'd disprove my case if katie was beautiful and you were a low status male. Or if you were high status and she was unattractive. I thought your theory was that women look for wealth? Obviously someone earning around 60% of what she earns is not wealthy in her terms in that I can't provide her with anything that she doesn't already have. If your theory is merely that people tend to partner up with members of roughly the same social class I'd agree with that. So what's the position with you. You married her because of her looks and she married you for your dosh? " Status, of which wealth is a big part. Social class is indirectly important but hypergamy (men marrying lower class women) is common whilst hypogamy (women marrying lower class men) is very rare. Why do you suppose that is? You know ecactly what i mean, you are just being obtuse now. I wouldn't have married an obese woman and my wife wouldn't have married an unemployed man. They are hygiene factors, meaning that the people we marry cannot be obese / unenployed but it doesn't mean we will marry anyone who is the opposite of those things. | |||
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" I have met that guy who is Mr Perfect. Good job, earns ridiculous amounts of money, huge property. This rings alarm bells..... The first things I will describe about someone I find perfect will not be their financial status.... I’m more into intelligence, kindness , and cooking skills.... first" Exactly this ! Weird........ | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. Why are you staying with him? Again in a non combative way. Because if I walked out of this relationship I might regret it. So I am giving it a chance. " your on here so get ur kicks in here and if u like the guy then go for it | |||
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"Tbh you sound a very shallow person, I hope he finds this out for himself It's a pity you are posting this as a response because I have constantly rejected you. " As your miles away from me I haven't seen your profile before this post was started so that's a lie? Besides your profile would put me off. I posted it as all the good attributes you say you see in him seem to be materialistic, to me I would consider compatibility a bigger issue than someone's bank balance. As said if you where a guy you probably would have been unlos by now | |||
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"I admit I have always been submissive. I have tried been dominant before without success. Sadly I have to pretend right now. I have met that guy who is Mr Perfect. Good job, earns ridiculous amounts of money, huge property. Other women would kill to be in my shoes. So guess what. Sex is rubbish with him because he is the most submissive man I have ever met in bed, and I struggle to be dominant. Oh, and he is serious. He wants more than sex and the potential of putting a ring on it. Any suggestions?" Are you Russian? | |||
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"Tbh you sound a very shallow person, I hope he finds this out for himself It's a pity you are posting this as a response because I have constantly rejected you. As your miles away from me I haven't seen your profile before this post was started so that's a lie? Besides your profile would put me off. I posted it as all the good attributes you say you see in him seem to be materialistic, to me I would consider compatibility a bigger issue than someone's bank balance. As said if you where a guy you probably would have been unlos by now" Lol | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. Why are you staying with him? Again in a non combative way. Money Yes. It's difficult to say no the a guy who earns half a million pounds per year. " I think you're with him for the wrong reasons and that's not fair on him | |||
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"Oh an PS do you love him? We are in the beginning of our relationship. He is feeling 'more serious' than me. I have not developed any feelings for him. He is in love with me. Why are you staying with him? Again in a non combative way. Money Yes. It's difficult to say no the a guy who earns half a million pounds per year. " It isn't. I did it, and managed to raise his 2 children without a penny from him. Sorry OP but if you're basing a relationship on pure financial reasons, not on personal & sexual compatibility, you'll never be happy | |||
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"I have met that guy who is Mr Perfect. Good job, earns ridiculous amounts of money, huge property. Other women would kill to be in my shoes." I see others have already said this aplenty but... there's no way that material possessions could ever make a man "Mr Perfect". And those "other women" who would kill to be in your shoes.... do you really want to compare yourself to that trash? Just my 2p | |||
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"I don’t think I’d be killing you to be in your shoes ... I earn my own money , mortgage paid off Fab holidays , Fab sex , why would I be in your shoes ?? " Me too. And I’m proud of my independence and that I have never relied on a man (or woman!!) to support me. I wouldn’t lower myself. | |||
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"I don’t think I’d be killing you to be in your shoes ... I earn my own money , mortgage paid off Fab holidays , Fab sex , why would I be in your shoes ?? Me too. And I’m proud of my independence and that I have never relied on a man (or woman!!) to support me. I wouldn’t lower myself. " This for me too. | |||
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"I don’t think I’d be killing you to be in your shoes ... I earn my own money , mortgage paid off Fab holidays , Fab sex , why would I be in your shoes ?? Me too. And I’m proud of my independence and that I have never relied on a man (or woman!!) to support me. I wouldn’t lower myself. This for me too." #girl power | |||
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"I don’t think I’d be killing you to be in your shoes ... I earn my own money , mortgage paid off Fab holidays , Fab sex , why would I be in your shoes ?? Me too. And I’m proud of my independence and that I have never relied on a man (or woman!!) to support me. I wouldn’t lower myself. This for me too. #girl power" | |||
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"I admit I have always been submissive. I have tried been dominant before without success. Sadly I have to pretend right now. I have met that guy who is Mr Perfect. Good job, earns ridiculous amounts of money, huge property. Other women would kill to be in my shoes. So guess what. Sex is rubbish with him because he is the most submissive man I have ever met in bed, and I struggle to be dominant. Oh, and he is serious. He wants more than sex and the potential of putting a ring on it. Any suggestions?" "Good job, earns ridiculous amounts of money, huge property. " No mention of his looks, or personality.... speaks volumes. | |||
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"Being sub and being passive/lazy in bed are two completely different things. You need to work out which he is. Sex in a relationship isn't the be all and end all but it certainly helps if you are compatible. See past his money etc, would you still be with him if he lost it all tomorrow? My feeling would be no you wouldn't and really that should be your answer. Good luck op. Yes. Totally. You are right. The answer would be no. " Thread closed. The money is the main factor, you have admitted it, so there is zero chance this relationship would work. | |||
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"You say he’s Mr perfect and the first three things you mention are his job, his money and his property I’ve got a spare shovel if you need a spare " In other news, I wonder if Donald Trump is called Mr Perfect by the majority of women on this planet? As I've heard him called plenty of things, but Mr Perfect hasn't been one of them so far... Yet he satisfies the OPs 3 main requirements in a man and to a better degree than the chap she is thinking about? | |||
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"You say he’s Mr perfect and the first three things you mention are his job, his money and his property I’ve got a spare shovel if you need a spare In other news, I wonder if Donald Trump is called Mr Perfect by the majority of women on this planet? As I've heard him called plenty of things, but Mr Perfect hasn't been one of them so far... Yet he satisfies the OPs 3 main requirements in a man and to a better degree than the chap she is thinking about? " Do we reckon he would be good in bed? | |||
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"You say he’s Mr perfect and the first three things you mention are his job, his money and his property I’ve got a spare shovel if you need a spare In other news, I wonder if Donald Trump is called Mr Perfect by the majority of women on this planet? As I've heard him called plenty of things, but Mr Perfect hasn't been one of them so far... Yet he satisfies the OPs 3 main requirements in a man and to a better degree than the chap she is thinking about? " He has a nice looking wife. | |||
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