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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Been having a conversation with my husband, we are both church goers, and were talking about how people feel about their beliefs and swinging, do they clash?
Are there any other church goers out there, and how do they see it? Or anyone for that matter?
This came from chatting to a couple we have just started chatting to from here and with a mistype which lead to conversation about going to church (and not winding us up)
Just curious about other peoples thoughts |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Well I'm not particularly religious, the school I went to was C of E... I'm pretty sure that swinging and religion don't agree with eachother, but you are church goers as you say and seem happy to swing... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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oooo, theology, i love it!
As an atheist (well, possibly daeist as I believe in the POSSIBILITY of a higher power), my own beliefs are based on general right and wrong, therefore if what you are doing has no adverse effect on anybody there is no issue.
Obviously, there are the 10 Commandments, assuming you are of some form of Christian denomination, and swinging does contradict one pretty big one in there!
However, as the various denominations of the Christian faith took various teachings and elements from the Bible and made them their own, discarding what didn't fit in with their lifestyles at the time, then its very difficult to know what could be classed as right or wrong in the church you attend. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Don't worry about it, God doesn't, nor do any others exist.
how do u know, did he tell u
it's just common sense"
Thought one of God's former messengers would have to comment! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Don't worry about it, God doesn't, nor do any others exist.
how do u know, did he tell u
it's just common sense
how do u know? did god tell u that too"
My view is, if there was a god then there would not be child abuse, rape, murder, famine or war. or does he just like watching that shit?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Don't worry about it, God doesn't, nor do any others exist.
how do u know, did he tell u
it's just common sense
how do u know? did god tell u that too
My view is, if there was a god then there would not be child abuse, rape, murder, famine or war. or does he just like watching that shit? "
no silly its god way of making u stronger init.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"like anyone here can read ffs, only i can and thats cos i am GOD  "
Well, if you can, read "The Selfish Gene" by him first! The other way round really gets confusing.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Is that Cliff I can hear ?? 
what you live close enfough to hear our music?"
oh ya back.
can i ask something please
do u think by praying to god then breaking one of his ten rule things u are being a bit out of order to god? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Is that Cliff I can hear ??
oh ya back.
breaking one of his ten rule things u are being a bit out of order to god?"
there would be no point in us asking then not reading everyone's opinions
we dont know yet how to totally reconcile the 2 views in our heads
but we are hear of our own choice
we were just currious of peoples views
i would say in the best current awnser we have for your main question is this
god is a god of mercy and fogives
so mayby its a risk but so are many things everyone dose day by day i supose
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Roy I can load you the Dawkins book but I demand to see you naked for it !
Blimey it must be a crap book if that's payment enough Granny!"
Okay ....half the book kept back for household duties and the other half up front ....( god im such a good feed ) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is that Cliff I can hear ??
oh ya back.
breaking one of his ten rule things u are being a bit out of order to god?
there would be no point in us asking then not reading everyone's opinions
we dont know yet how to totally reconcile the 2 views in our heads
but we are hear of our own choice
we were just currious of peoples views
i would say in the best current awnser we have for your main question is this
god is a god of mercy and fogives
so mayby its a risk but so are many things everyone dose day by day i supose
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A god of mercy? Then I refer back to my post about child abuse, rape etc. It just doesn't add up.
I see the the point of people who worshipped the sun etc. at least it could be seen and also seen to be doing good. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is that Cliff I can hear ??
oh ya back.
breaking one of his ten rule things u are being a bit out of order to god?
there would be no point in us asking then not reading everyone's opinions
we dont know yet how to totally reconcile the 2 views in our heads
but we are hear of our own choice
we were just currious of peoples views
i would say in the best current awnser we have for your main question is this
god is a god of mercy and fogives
so mayby its a risk but so are many things everyone dose day by day i supose
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Sure... you will be forgiven just before you are pushed from a precipice into eternal hell and damnation ... but look on the bright side.... all the swinging will be going on in hell ... it's all bloody white paint n harps in heaven. God rules by fear... do as he says or he will punish ..... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"ah so what ya saying is, u can do what the fuck ya like and if u say sorry all will be ok?
not really much point tho then is there lol"
THERE IS A GOD! Because that is the first thing you've said that I agree with, it's a miracle!!!!!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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but look on the bright side.... all the swinging will be going on in hell ... it's all bloody white paint n harps in heaven. "
No because heaven and hell are individual to everyone, so in your heaven it would be full of swingers, not the other way around... but nice try! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"i reckon heaven will be like the best ever swingers party ,, without the drive home "
Yeah, and you are attracted to everyone, everyone wants you, they all like the things you do, and there's no such thing as std's and pregnancy! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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well doesnt one of the commandments say "thou shall not covet thy neighbours wife or any of his chattels" so really swinging is breaking of one of the ten commandments innit xxx |
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i put up a thread last week about having found a gideons bible with a scripture refernce handwritten in the front which talked about the sanctity of the marriage bed , adulterers and the sexually immoral.
as i wsnt there with a spouse and wasnt there with anyone elses spouse, i guess i was in the latter group |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"i put up a thread last week about having found a gideons bible with a scripture refernce handwritten in the front which talked about the sanctity of the marriage bed , adulterers and the sexually immoral.
as i wsnt there with a spouse and wasnt there with anyone elses spouse, i guess i was in the latter group"
The latter group sounds like the best option |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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hmmm religion and swinging ? well for me i wouldnt say im a regular down at my church but i go prob works out about once every six weeks , more just to think about myself and my life hear other peoples views and talk , sounds very self indulgent srry , but it does not clash for me , im not doing any harm and have never been one for the sex before marriage malarky , its human nature sex and an enjoyable experience , so no its not an issue for me . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The way we see it,if God has given you all these feelings,ways and chances to enjoy yourselves,we reckon he'd be pretty miffed if you didn't make the most of them.
Also,the Bible was written by men,its their interpretation of what you should do not Gods.
The main thing that would probably go against the grain would be if you were hurting others which your not.
What your doing is giving pleasure and loving your fellow man/woman which is what its all about.
Here endeth the first lesson. 
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"i put up a thread last week about having found a gideons bible with a scripture refernce handwritten in the front which talked about the sanctity of the marriage bed , adulterers and the sexually immoral.
as i wsnt there with a spouse and wasnt there with anyone elses spouse, i guess i was in the latter group
The latter group sounds like the best option"
totally agree lol ! x |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The way we see it,if God has given you all these feelings,ways and chances to enjoy yourselves,we reckon he'd be pretty miffed if you didn't make the most of them.
Also,the Bible was written by men,its their interpretation of what you should do not Gods.
The main thing that would probably go against the grain would be if you were hurting others which your not.
What your doing is giving pleasure and loving your fellow man/woman which is what its all about.
Here endeth the first lesson.
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thankyou guys
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By (user no longer on site)
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but look on the bright side.... all the swinging will be going on in hell ... it's all bloody white paint n harps in heaven.
No because heaven and hell are individual to everyone, so in your heaven it would be full of swingers, not the other way around... but nice try! "
So a murderers heaven would be full of chain saws n victims ?
Don't tell me he's not going to heaven cos God forgives...
Silly Nino! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The way we see it,if God has given you all these feelings,ways and chances to enjoy yourselves,we reckon he'd be pretty miffed if you didn't make the most of them.
Also,the Bible was written by men,its their interpretation of what you should do not Gods.
The main thing that would probably go against the grain would be if you were hurting others which your not.
What your doing is giving pleasure and loving your fellow man/woman which is what its all about.
Here endeth the first lesson.
XXXX"
at last some sense...great view and one which we both agree on
regarding the post on all the bad things that go on in the world (wars, rape, child abuse etc etc).....i believe that we were created to be all good and also given the tools to self regulate......society has its consequences for when someone becomes dysfunctional.....maybe the consequences are not harsh enough to deter future acts.........but unfortunately a few rotten apples slip through the net............and we are all on fab.....ha ha |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The way we see it,if God has given you all these feelings,ways and chances to enjoy yourselves,we reckon he'd be pretty miffed if you didn't make the most of them.
Also,the Bible was written by men,its their interpretation of what you should do not Gods.
The main thing that would probably go against the grain would be if you were hurting others which your not.
What your doing is giving pleasure and loving your fellow man/woman which is what its all about.
Here endeth the first lesson.
XXXX
at last some sense...great view and one which we both agree on
regarding the post on all the bad things that go on in the world (wars, rape, child abuse etc etc).....i believe that we were created to be all good and also given the tools to self regulate......society has its consequences for when someone becomes dysfunctional.....maybe the consequences are not harsh enough to deter future acts.........but unfortunately a few rotten apples slip through the net............and we are all on fab.....ha ha"
ffs What do you mean AT LAST some sense? Course you are going to say that when someone types up a view that corresponds with yours. Pfffft ! Don't give me that 'self regulatory born to be good rubbush' When a child is raped.... the child suffers - the innocent child. Explain that one to me please. Incidentally - before someone does tell me about the fall of today's society..... Has anyone actually read the bible? It is not a simple book of rules to live by .... It is full of stories of War, Murder, Incest, Misogyny, Rape, Prostitution Buggery.... and so on and so forth... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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oh ya back.
can i ask something please
do u think by praying to god then breaking one of his ten rule things u are being a bit out of order to god?"
I guess your talking about adultry. Which is completely different to swaping partners for sex.
The trouble with the bible (not ready any others) people take it literary rather than the meaning of the message, is it only on the road to Damascus's can you help a stranger or can you help them anywhere?
Not forgetting, some things have slipped into the bible, what are good practises in the middle east, bit not so good elsewhere. Pigs, lovely, just couldn't live in bible land.
Course in some religions you can now starve your wife if you have to go more than 4 days without her letting you have fun with her.
I don't think that religion and women sit well, all a means to suppress women and let men be top man. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"i think god will see it as same thing. cos it dont state u can sgah who u want as long as u both ok it....
some people "
Does it actually say in the bible;
No swinging?
No parties and swapping?
No mutual consent fun?
Do we go by the exact words or the meaning of the words? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Does it actually say in the bible;
No swinging?
No parties and swapping?
No mutual consent fun?
Do we go by the exact words or the meaning of the words?"
Well you could always just go by the original ten commandments
1. Thou shalt worship no other god (For the Lord is a jealous god).
2. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
3. The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep in the month when the ear is on the corn.
4. All the ?rst-born are mine.
5. Six days shalt thou work, but on the seventh thou shalt rest.
6. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, even of the ?rst fruits of the wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year’s end.
7. Thou shalt not o?er the blood of my sacri?ce with leavened bread.
8. The fat of my feast shall not remain all night until the morning.
9. The ?rst of the ?rst fruits of thy ground thou shalt bring unto the house of the Lord thy God.
10. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in its mother’s milk.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"or the 11th...
thou should just please yursel....
simples
Mastubation again !!
defo there was... that ponty pilot geezer was a bit of a wanker
Was that in the bible ?"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"well i dont think god is gonna be happy about u fucking other men or the other way round, did he not say u had to not stray?"
"Hebrews 13:4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral."
Not that I know the bible that well, but it was highlighted in a Gideon bible at a hotel. Seemed kind of apt, as i was there for a meet |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"well i dont think god is gonna be happy about u fucking other men or the other way round, did he not say u had to not stray?
"Hebrews 13:4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral."
Not that I know the bible that well, but it was highlighted in a Gideon bible at a hotel. Seemed kind of apt, as i was there for a meet "
Funny you should say that,someone else was saying the exact same thing |
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By *ouvakMan
over a year ago
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the real answer here is " if it feels right to you then it has to be right for you" what others think or say has or should have little bearing on it, at the end of the day its you who has to reconsile your difference's with whom ever you call your maker, in my case i can't ever invisage me going to my mum and dad and asking them if its ok,, lmao |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"the real answer here is " if it feels right to you then it has to be right for you" what others think or say has or should have little bearing on it, at the end of the day its you who has to reconsile your difference's with whom ever you call your maker, in my case i can't ever invisage me going to my mum and dad and asking them if its ok,, lmao "
now thats a good perspective
we are not after guidance nuts currious of peoples thoughts
as to asking your mum we know 1 couples where her mum lives with them and knows all about there hobby
and baby sits for them
must have been a interesting conversation explaining it the her mum lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
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These so called rapists and fiddlers are already forgiven on earth by the pittiful sentences they recieve. I say,chop their tackle off if they are male,stitch em up if they are fem,and tattoo their foreheads so we can all see who is around us. I would burn em,so i must be the devil. |
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"Obviously, there are the 10 Commandments, assuming you are of some form of Christian denomination, and swinging does contradict one pretty big one in there!"
Actually, I believe there are about 146, give or take.
Someone professor decided to actually read just about everything there was to read about the Christian faith, and was surprised to find that the Bible is actually about a fourth edition, much edited from the origional source information.
This guy had no axe to grind, and was purely in it from a curiosity/knowledge point of view.
It actually shows Christianity in about the same light as is generally thought today.
I personally dont believe in God, but find myself in the unusual position of wishing that there was some form of higher being to believe in, anyone know what that might be categorised as?
For now, I tend to admire those in history, or perhaps even modern day, who's actions, motives and moral stance go towards making the world a better place, even if it is on a very small scale. |
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"I personally dont believe in God, but find myself in the unusual position of wishing that there was some form of higher being to believe in, anyone know what that might be categorised as?"
Think you'll find you're describing 'Fabism' |
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""I personally dont believe in God, but find myself in the unusual position of wishing that there was some form of higher being to believe in, anyone know what that might be categorised as?"
Think you'll find you're describing 'Fabism' "
And who is this Fabio geezer then? |
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""I personally dont believe in God, but find myself in the unusual position of wishing that there was some form of higher being to believe in, anyone know what that might be categorised as?"
Think you'll find you're describing 'Fabism'
And who is this Fabio geezer then?"
Fabio is a regular forumite, and a very decent chap in real life too! |
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""I personally dont believe in God, but find myself in the unusual position of wishing that there was some form of higher being to believe in, anyone know what that might be categorised as?"
Think you'll find you're describing 'Fabism'
And who is this Fabio geezer then?
Fabio is a regular forumite, and a very decent chap in real life too!"
"Forumite".... cant find that religion in Google or Wikipedia either, you sure you spelled it right? |
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""I personally dont believe in God, but find myself in the unusual position of wishing that there was some form of higher being to believe in, anyone know what that might be categorised as?"
Think you'll find you're describing 'Fabism'
And who is this Fabio geezer then?
Fabio is a regular forumite, and a very decent chap in real life too!
"Forumite".... cant find that religion in Google or Wikipedia either, you sure you spelled it right?"
And this Fabio geezer, is he the head honcho, like their pope or summat? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Look at it this way it God forgives sinners(and if there is a God depending on what you believe in) when you get to meet him youll be forgiven so its ok what you do now just enjoy yourself and have fun. |
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"Look at it this way it God forgives sinners(and if there is a God depending on what you believe in) when you get to meet him youll be forgiven so its ok what you do now just enjoy yourself and have fun."
Ummm, found a bit of a flaw in your thinking......
does that mean anyone can commit heinous crimes like murder etc, so long as they say sorry when they get to the pearly gates? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Look at it this way it God forgives sinners(and if there is a God depending on what you believe in) when you get to meet him youll be forgiven so its ok what you do now just enjoy yourself and have fun.
Ummm, found a bit of a flaw in your thinking......
does that mean anyone can commit heinous crimes like murder etc, so long as they say sorry when they get to the pearly gates?"
Well if God forgives sinners then yes.Im not religous at all and am vary of religion so these and just thoughts not my beliefs. |
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"Look at it this way it God forgives sinners(and if there is a God depending on what you believe in) when you get to meet him youll be forgiven so its ok what you do now just enjoy yourself and have fun.
Ummm, found a bit of a flaw in your thinking......
does that mean anyone can commit heinous crimes like murder etc, so long as they say sorry when they get to the pearly gates?
Well if God forgives sinners then yes.Im not religous at all and am vary of religion so these and just thoughts not my beliefs."
Fair enuf...
I think that the person asking for forgivness actually has to repent, to be, deep down in their "soul", really sorry for what has happened. |
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"Look at it this way it God forgives sinners(and if there is a God depending on what you believe in) when you get to meet him youll be forgiven so its ok what you do now just enjoy yourself and have fun.
Ummm, found a bit of a flaw in your thinking......
does that mean anyone can commit heinous crimes like murder etc, so long as they say sorry when they get to the pearly gates?
Well if God forgives sinners then yes.Im not religous at all and am vary of religion so these and just thoughts not my beliefs.
Fair enuf...
I think that the person asking for forgivness actually has to repent, to be, deep down in their "soul", really sorry for what has happened. "
Given the choice of heaven or hell at the time i think most people would repent in their soul. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I go to church because I actually enjoy going and I come away feeling happier, joyful & fulfilled.
I swing because I enjoy it and I come away feeling happier, joyful and fulfilled.
Best of both worlds lol
Great post and replies x |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I go to church because I actually enjoy going and I come away feeling happier, joyful & fulfilled.
I swing because I enjoy it and I come away feeling happier, joyful and fulfilled.
Best of both worlds lol
Great post and replies x"
its good to know we are not the only ones |
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"Been having a conversation with my husband, we are both church goers, and were talking about how people feel about their beliefs and swinging, do they clash?
Are there any other church goers out there, and how do they see it? Or anyone for that matter?
This came from chatting to a couple we have just started chatting to from here and with a mistype which lead to conversation about going to church (and not winding us up)
Just curious about other peoples thoughts"
yum yum yum - can o worms for breakfast. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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UUUmm.....despite my fear of being burned at the stake..!!!
Here is my 2p.
Us Pagans love naughty stuff...and taking pleasure in sexuality is actually honouring and celebrating our bodies.. our belief in the divine feminine and masculine ...makes sex an act of worship...
Please no jokes about broomsticks...ducking stools or warts...pagans and witches are not the same thing...although my ex did used to call me an old witch..... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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God asked Jesus to try lots of drugs to help him understand modern man.. He asked his disciples to each find a drug and bring it too him.. Mark Bought some .. Mathew some lsd.. Andrew some .. Judas.. well Judas bought in the drug squad lol.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Well, have been reading thru this thread....and believe it or not...I once had my place booked at Bible College and was destined to do grat things in the Methodist Church....and none of it involved the spinsters of the parish!!!!
Then, just before packing my bags and heading off...I was thrown out of my church!!!!...Bloody Cheek
Anyway....made me take a good long look at how I felt....And I am no longer a Bible Thumping, Sandal Wearing God Botherer! I was cured!!!!!
Now....am of the opinion that we live in a morality based society that has it's foundation in the Bible....this has been foisted on us, and enforced by the church...and then the state.
I think that as long as what people do is not hurting them, or hurting anyone else...and is not breaking the law..then they should be left alone to get on with it.
It is not up to us to judge them, and it is not up to us to be the voice of their concsience. It is up to them to reconcile themselves and live with what they do.
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"God asked Jesus to try lots of drugs to help him understand modern man.. He asked his disciples to each find a drug and bring it too him.. Mark Bought some .. Mathew some lsd.. Andrew some .. Judas.. well Judas bought in the drug squad lol.... "
Hehe...what a corker...!!!!
If I believed in Hell....I would say there's a very hot pitchfork waiting there..with your name on it..for that one...  |
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By *oonboyMan
over a year ago
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unfortunately this is why the world is so fuked up. Religion (if followed to the letter of the scriptures) dictates that fairly obviously swinging and its related 'risque' practices dont go together. next we will have muslim pole dancers ffs, cos the koran saidit was ok... wot a crock of shit...
btw im an aethiest lol
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Well im not religous or anything else but surely if you believe in god enough to go to church you should follow the rules. Sorry but it sounds hypercritical to me too believe in something yet still do as you like. Being baptized a religion is one thing, following it is another.
Now i have different views about gays as i believe your born gay but people arnt born swingers.
Im not having a personal dig just my views |
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A member said 'Did God tell you' - what evidence is there that God exists except only in peoples heads.
The Church makes loads of money from the Hell theory based on a Book that may or may not have been written 2000 years ago - and the member has even hidden her profile and what is she doing on this site anyway if she disapproves.......she could always try the missionary position!!! |
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