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Do Women Have All The Power On Here

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

One thing I'm curiouse about is whether or not (guys and ladies) believe that women (with their far better ratios) know that ultimately that they're always gonna be in control on here because they've got tens of attractive, hung or decent guys out of the hundreds of slobs that tried picking them up with cock pics or weak messages. Ok yes the ripped/hung/attractive guys probably get it easiest out of the guys, but I imagine more hot women get messages than hot/hung guys and they've probably got a wider pick of even the best guys. I just wonder to myself what keeps a woman loyal to an arranged meet-up on here given that she could chop and change from the guy that was a 7/10 to the guy who's an 9/10 etc. Does this power get abused often?

This isn't a rant btw, I'm just curious.

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"One thing I'm curiouse about is whether or not (guys and ladies) believe that women (with their far better ratios) know that ultimately that they're always gonna be in control on here because they've got tens of attractive, hung or decent guys out of the hundreds of slobs that tried picking them up with cock pics or weak messages. Ok yes the ripped/hung/attractive guys probably get it easiest out of the guys, but I imagine more hot women get messages than hot/hung guys and they've probably got a wider pick of even the best guys. I just wonder to myself what keeps a woman loyal to an arranged meet-up on here given that she could chop and change from the guy that was a 7/10 to the guy who's an 9/10 etc.

Good character. Many women on here have it - some obviously do not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Any man has the power to say no/not message/or change their minds at any given time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nope, the men have just as much power if maybe less options.

You just have to think with the other head

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Alot of time wasters on here and just down right rude pervs that bombard woman with dirty messages and that ruins it for decent guys. Because ladies have to be strict and be aware. It's hard to get a chat sometime let alone meet someone

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There might seem like there's a lack of women... But I find there's a lack of true heterosexual men on here too.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Good character. Many women on here have it - some obviously do not.

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great pictures btw ??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There might seem like there's a lack of women... But I find there's a lack of true heterosexual men on here too. "

Yay for the hetro's

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Power in equal amounts.

Power only comes along when one side is desperate to meet the other.

Law of nature

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No.

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By *igeiaWoman over a year ago

Bristol

A numbers disparity doesn't automatically instill power or control in the group with the smallest ratio. There may, however, be some on both sides of the demographic divide who view it as such and this can create a 'them and us' sense of expectation and/or resentment, in which case they are welcome to each other.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This isn't a rant btw, I'm just curious."

I think the women do have all the power on here.. If they don't.. then they deserve to.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't like thinking in terms of power or control personally. You're either attracted to someone or you're not

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There might seem like there's a lack of women... But I find there's a lack of true heterosexual men on here too.

Yay for the hetro's

I think there's a shockingly low amount of good men on here given the numbers flying about. You'd think the percentages would be higher than they are at least. There aren't this many cunts around in every day life.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't like thinking in terms of power or control personally. You're either attracted to someone or you're not "

I'd like to believe that on the whole. I'd say it's true in most people I choose to talk to. Buuut a glimpse on the forum tells you the dynamics.. you see guys changing their behaviour around women.. get aggressive.. or competitive.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There might seem like there's a lack of women... But I find there's a lack of true heterosexual men on here too.

Yay for the hetro's

"
hehe

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Men like to blame the fact it's full off men! But it's not the case. The men getting the meets are the men showing the women respect. They are planning meets and arranging not them in advance. Not just messaging expecting the women to drop their pants that minute. It is a sex site but men you still need to but the time in.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This isn't a rant btw, I'm just curious."

Women always have the power, esp when it comes to sex x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This isn't a rant btw, I'm just curious.

I think the women do have all the power on here.. If they don't.. then they deserve to.

I've had men tell me they wouldn't message me. I have no power over them.

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By *rightonCheekyMan over a year ago

Brighton

I never think about ratios why would I ? From time to time you click with a lady or couple on here and often you don't. That's only natural isn't it ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes women have the all power on here because we are the superior sex, plain and simple. XXX

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think it's more a case of the men being weak willed or having no control over their desires, when it comes to messaging women. How many men would be attracted to every woman they message here, if they saw them in the street or pub etc?

If a woman has power over a man on here it's because he's given it to her.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This isn't a rant btw, I'm just curious.

Women always have the power, esp when it comes to sex x"

This can be true for a lot of instances. Sex especially like you said. There is of course a lot of men's more immediate need to mate and urge within to spread his seed . Whereas women often aren't in any rush and actually prefer playing the waiting game as it builds up feelings and improves any sexual relationships that do occur. Of course this can switch into real life as people are people and our instincts can't be switched off at will.

Women can also play the existing legal system and society's ideas better than a man can.

Thers are instances however where men have far more power. The build up prior to entering into marriage for example. Many men are in no rush to get settled down at all, they know full well they'll probably be able to get a spouse at any age so long as they have enough resources. Whereas a lot of women's feelings about entering into wedlock equate to a man's desire to procreate; they NEED it, have to have it as it is one of their primary genetic functions to couple up. They crave having a single mate for decades much more often than most men do and behind it all is the biological clock ticking ever louder...

Of course there's also a lot of people of both sexes who aren't particularly arsed with power play in real life, myself included. As part of a sexual fantasy though, I don't mind that one bit...

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By *lceeWoman over a year ago

Leeds

I honestly don't think we have more power, just more choices and probably infinitely less time.

As for not showing up to meets or swapping to someone else - the men do that too. I don't get why anyone would, but it seems to happen on both sides.

People are weird.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"There might seem like there's a lack of women... But I find there's a lack of true heterosexual men on here too. "

With all due respect- B.S!!

Asides from offering myself as an example (and hey I might not be your type) when I search anonymously for other guys profiles in my area to get an idea of what the potential standards are and what I might improve on, I see pages upon pages of guys many of which have an equal chance and are probably equally frustrated and all hetro sexual. I'll bet a big reason for guys being bi or gay is because they gave up chasing women knowing that other guys are far easier to hook up with.

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By *oxy_minxWoman over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

I have the power over myself and will only meet people I am attracted to and who has been able to engage my brain, so I would rather go without than compromise.

If men think with their cocks and just go on the search for any hole is a goal then that is their prerogative

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By *reygorCouple over a year ago

birmingham

weather on fab or in a normal pub drink place females all ways hold the wining hand.because there are many more males out and about.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I have the power over myself and will only meet people I am attracted to and who has been able to engage my brain, so I would rather go without than compromise.

If men think with their cocks and just go on the search for any hole is a goal then that is their prerogative "

Any hole is a goal lmfao, classic.

I think (as a woman) you're only confirming the power is in your favor.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This isn't a rant btw, I'm just curious.

Women always have the power, esp when it comes to sex x"

Yeah?

Strange, I've never felt as though anybody has any hold over me.

So you must be joking or really naive to think that.

I've fucked a few, although I'm no stud, I've never had a feeling of being lead in to anything. I always feel like I'm the one who makes the decisions.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"weather on fab or in a normal pub drink place females all ways hold the wining hand.because there are many more males out and about."

I've never really thought of pubs or clubs like that as I found the easiest way to simply hook up with someone was to just walk into a city centre bar on a saturday night, though the sex I had often wasn't as good as in this lovely community... But you're probably right about the numbers, though not to quite the same proportions as fab obviously! Unless said pub gets visited by a hen do. Or there's male strippers on in there. Or it's a gay bar, as a lot of straight women go out to these with their gay male friends. Whereas not a lot of straight men go to these bars with their lesbian friends.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This isn't a rant btw, I'm just curious.

Women always have the power, esp when it comes to sex x

Women can also play the existing legal system and society's ideas better than a man can.

Of course there's also a lot of people of both sexes who aren't particularly arsed with power play in real life, myself included. As part of a sexual fantasy though, I don't mind that one bit..."

I think it's door swings both ways in regards to animal instincts. I've known many a girl literally want fuck and go situation where man's left wanting more. I'd say a majority of women on here are like that although given the websites intentions it's a more biased stat.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes women have the all power on here because we are the superior sex, plain and simple. XXX"

Least you're honest about your thoughts x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes

It's a woman's world on fab and all the dating sites.

Women also hold all the aces when it comes to sex

The lure of the fanny is always there ..Some abuse this power. Some.dont.

Simple really.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This isn't a rant btw, I'm just curious.

Women always have the power, esp when it comes to sex x

Women can also play the existing legal system and society's ideas better than a man can.

Of course there's also a lot of people of both sexes who aren't particularly arsed with power play in real life, myself included. As part of a sexual fantasy though, I don't mind that one bit...

Though it's true that more women seek simply sex nowadays than there used to be, I'm afraid using the members of this site as a demograph will indeed produce somewhat skewed results...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Also most.men are on fab seeking a hole to fuck.

A hole to fuck. That's it.

Up to us ladies if we say yes

Personally I'm not on fab to ever be a hole to fuck and that won't change

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By *oxy_minxWoman over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

"I have the power over myself and will only meet people I am attracted to and who has been able to engage my brain, so I would rather go without than compromise.

If men think with their cocks and just go on the search for any hole is a goal then that is their prerogative

Any hole is a goal lmfao, classic.

I think (as a woman) you're only confirming the power is in your favor."

I believe you should actually read what I wrote rather than inventing your own cock and bull!

The amount of aggrieved men on here this week alone is worrying and the sense of entitlement is scary

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't think it's about power. Yes, women do have a bigger pool to choose from. The man may initially message, but once they begin to correspond and get to know each other, It is equal power. I have to be able to connect with someone in order to meet them. On a mental, not just pphysical. If I am throughly enjoying a conversation with someone who is a 7 out of 10 and am making plans to meet, no 9 out of 10 guy is going to catch my attention

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By *aturewomanloverMan over a year ago

staffs/cheshire

Yes. Next silly question

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

If someone on here thinks something gives them power, they aren't using the site properly I'd say

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw8B1q1tKgs

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Men like to blame the fact it's full off men! But it's not the case. The men getting the meets are the men showing the women respect. They are planning meets and arranging not them in advance. Not just messaging expecting the women to drop their pants that minute. It is a sex site but men you still need to but the time in. "

Exactly this

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There might seem like there's a lack of women... But I find there's a lack of true heterosexual men on here too.

With all due respect- B.S!!

'True heterosexual' .......... I think the female that put that comment typed TRUE heterosexual because many men aren't straight they just proclaim to be!

It's just as difficult on here for women as it is for men and it has nothing to do with ratio or control more to do with honest and genuine profiles.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I'm sure that is true for some, but I'm a nice guy who takes the time to do x,y and z but I certainly don't expect or presume this'll get me a meet.

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By *he Happy ManMan over a year ago

Merseyside

This isn't a rant btw, I'm just curious."

If you read the forums often you will see women say they also struggle to get a meet.

Yes single women get lots of messages and lots off guys offering to meet them. It's just not guys they want to meet.

How anybody thinks "wanna shag?" messages are going to work is beyond me.

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By *he Happy ManMan over a year ago

Merseyside

"Yes women have the all power on here because we are the superior sex, plain and simple. XXX"

Lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes women have the all power on here because we are the superior sex, plain and simple. XXX

Lol"

LOL

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By *he Happy ManMan over a year ago

Merseyside

Here here.

I get meets because I have never sent out a "Wanna fuck?” type message. I only contact people I am genuinely interested in. Before I send out a message I first read the woman or couples profile. Shock horror a single male who can read lol. I then tailor my message to the persons profile. I always treat the woman or couple with respect and expect the same back. Although I have had very short notice meets I prefer to get to know people online first. Getting to know people online first shows you are not just looking for another notch on your bedpost. Sometimes I have been getting to know somebody for 4 – 6 months before we meet. If you treat the women or couples you want to meet with respect and take your time getting to know them you will have much more chance of meeting people.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

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By *orth East TruckerMan over a year ago

Fraserburgh

of course , they have the pussy

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By *ieman300Man over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East

No one has the power over anyone else. If anyone compromises themselves to an extent beyond what would be considered reasonable then they dont have power over themselves. Thats a different thing entirely.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't like thinking in terms of power or control personally. You're either attracted to someone or you're not

Funny how my view on something that was quite firm.. can flip utterly in five minutes. Then realise you were actually quite wrong all along. I feel a bit stupid.

The power sharing on here is about as equal and honest as any you're going to get.

The bars, restrictions, rules and inequality that moaning single men place at the feet of Fab and it's Female population. We wrap them around ourselves like heavy link chain. Another added for every dick move, poor decision, bad attitude, no knowledge, lack of respect, lack of thought or consideration. Your failure to engage or listen.

Become a better person and you'll meet better people.

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By *ink magnolia s yorksWoman over a year ago

south yorkshire

What makes you think all women want the toned, gym going, model type men or the ones with monster cocks? It's a myth! Personally, if a man mentions his cock size in his first message I find it a massive turn off. If that's his biggest selling point I'll stay home and play with my toys. Part of the problem is expectations. It's a swingers site, not insta shag. No one has to meet anyone they don't want to.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think it's more a case of the men being weak willed or having no control over their desires, when it comes to messaging women. How many men would be attracted to every woman they message here, if they saw them in the street or pub etc?

If a woman has power over a man on here it's because he's given it to her. "

This is a great post. Guilty of it myself.

You tend to come on Fab when you're horny which actually does the opposite as planning and foreplay are just as important here as they are in the bedroom.

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By *ldhillhotwifeCouple over a year ago

Old Hill

As a husband to a hotwife I have long since given up the notion of having that much power.

Sarah is much hotter left to her own devices than when I have ever tried to organise fucks for her. I just organise the club and take her there now.

She is less discriminating than I would be (and therefore she fucks more guys than I would choose) and she is happy to set her own boundaries in terms of what she will do (she constantly amazes me).

To be fair if guys had all the power here it would be a total mess and to be fair I don't think women would be as happy as they are.

At the end of the day its the woman's body so it up to her to choose who she fucks.

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By *hubaysiWoman over a year ago

Leeds

"I don't like thinking in terms of power or control personally. You're either attracted to someone or you're not

Women dont have the power. Some men don't put the effort in, they get horny then the brain in their heads does not kick in. They revert to cavemen status and get aggressive if the woman is not impressed. They can also be territorial and expect us to only communicate with them. Some haven't worked out how to actually initiate a meet with us. It is disappointing.

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By *arry WindsorMan over a year ago

Heaton Park Manchester

It's all dependant upon the individual's viewpoint.

If you're doing "the chasing", as it were, the other person has the power to either permit or deny your success.

If, on the other hand, the other person is "chasing you" then the roles reverse.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

I get a real ego boost turning down women who are clearly out of my league.

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By *hubaysiWoman over a year ago

Leeds

"I get a real ego boost turning down women who are clearly out of my league.

Yes I imagine you do!

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By *retend_Shy_GuyMan over a year ago

Edinburgh

I think you seem to have your own insecurity issues.

If a lady arranges to meet you then turns you down for a better offer then is she worth the effort? Surely the ones worthy of the chase would be loyal enough to your meet, surely?

My partner on here doesn't like the gym body type (lucky for me) and I have spoke to many women with the same stance on that. Keep looking, have faith, and don't chase anyone who doesn't want to get caught.

Happy Fabbing OP

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By *ynecplCouple over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

Women have greater choice but like the rest of us they have the same amount of power. We can all say no to meeting somebody.

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By *andsonjohnMan over a year ago

in the eye of the storm

"I get a real ego boost turning down women who are clearly out of my league.

so is turning women down who think there out of your league clem especially when there actions prove there not even fit to even lace ones shoes

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By *reygorCouple over a year ago

birmingham

our male striaght seperated dad [of 2 kids] says lots of avalable females in mc ds every sat afternoon or after school time.all got something in common dont like their exs.is he right ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There might seem like there's a lack of women... But I find there's a lack of true heterosexual men on here too.

Yay for the hetro's

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No one has the power over anyone else. If anyone compromises themselves to an extent beyond what would be considered reasonable then they dont have power over themselves. Thats a different thing entirely."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I get a real ego boost turning down women who are clearly out of my league.

so is turning women down who think there out of your league clem especially when there actions prove there not even fit to even lace ones shoes

Enough with the league talk already! Along with the notion of power/control, it's completely in your head

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By *arleyfanCouple over a year ago

Dover

Interesting question, I don't think ladies have all the power but I do think the ladies are far more respectful and polite.

Given that they get dozens of messages from odd balls they are allowed to be cautious.

If I could get every guy who has messaged my oh on the last week and every lady I had chatted with in the last week all together in a big room and they spoke in person like they do in messages maybe 3 guys would get action butbfrom 15 ladies. The other guys were just to rude or disrespectful to deserve any.

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By *andsonjohnMan over a year ago

in the eye of the storm

"I get a real ego boost turning down women who are clearly out of my league.

so is turning women down who think there out of your league clem especially when there actions prove there not even fit to even lace ones shoes

Enough with the league talk already! Along with the notion of power/control, it's completely in your head"

what like the ego of a Narcissist

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Interesting question, I don't think ladies have all the power but I do think the ladies are far more respectful and polite.

Given that they get dozens of messages from odd balls they are allowed to be cautious.

Sums it up perfectly!

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By *axandbooCouple over a year ago

Bristol

I guess it depends on how you are defining power really

example 1

we get well thought out messages and then we get the ones that are crude, disrespectful...now Boo has already said the rude ones are an automatic no! she has the power to decide who we meet... its her body... if you havent seen it google "tea consent"

example 2

if we are talking bdsm then again yes then if they are submissive they still have the power of a safe word to stop play. Again if you havent googled it"tea consent"

As for in general on here, IF Boo was on her own profile and logged in she would get bombarded with 100s of messages in a very short space of time...profiles that are poorly written, profiles with no faceshots, profiles which cannot follow simple instructions and all that is before we hit on message type. Think on it for a second from that perspective, it is quite overwhelming at times and even quite intimidating.

As in the real world, a lady has a choice on who she meets, when she meets and on what terms.

its not power, its called respecting their wishes at all times... and yes i know this is a sex site but end of the day if you cant respect wishes online, you certainly wont get the chance to face to face

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By *ucilleWoman over a year ago

Newcastle Upon Tyne

"There might seem like there's a lack of women... But I find there's a lack of true heterosexual men on here too.

Yay for the hetro's

Only heterosexuals are good men?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I get a real ego boost turning down women who are clearly out of my league.

so is turning women down who think there out of your league clem especially when there actions prove there not even fit to even lace ones shoes

Enough with the league talk already! Along with the notion of power/control, it's completely in your head

what like the ego of a Narcissist

Like anything you choose to believe

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's all in your head imo, how you choose to view life... You seem to have a 'them against us mentality' and you seem to want to place yourself in a hierachal system which would allow you to use the "rules of the game".. Which I'm assuming makes some feel comfortable.

I work life on the basis that there's a level playing field. There's human beings, with bodies and blood running through their veins... They had differing view points but you can get along with everyone as long as you treat people how you want to be treated.

If you clash with someone, then just move on to socialise with the next person as how someone treats you is a reflection on them not you (as long as you've not gone out of your way to be a *unt).

If anyone cancels a social because of a "better offer" then unless you like that kind of behaviour they probably have a very different value system to you and you'll forever be trying to live up to their despotic demands... which will be some people's cuppa tea.

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

"It's all in your head imo, how you choose to view life... You seem to have a 'them against us mentality' and you seem to want to place yourself in a hierachal system which would allow you to use the "rules of the game".. Which I'm assuming makes some feel comfortable.

If you clash with someone, then just move on to socialise with the next person as how someone treats you is a reflection on them not you (as long as you've not gone out of your way to be a *unt).

Well said. I'm really not getting this "power" illusion at all. It's just rubbish OP.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

To my knowledge only two people have the power,and neither of them are female.

Phil Taylor and He Man.

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By *andsonjohnMan over a year ago

in the eye of the storm

"There might seem like there's a lack of women... But I find there's a lack of true heterosexual men on here too.

Yay for the hetro's

his statement holds true for both sexes though in my opinion .

in fact due to the numbers game there are more men on here who aren't cunts than women who aren't .

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By *andsonjohnMan over a year ago

in the eye of the storm

If you clash with someone, then just move on to socialise with the next person as how someone treats you is a reflection on them not you (as long as you've not gone out of your way to be a *unt).

to sentimental for my tastes

the reality is we are not all equal because we are not clones carbon copies of each other

we are all individuals who are scrambling over each other in our pursuit of happiness the only difference is in how far we are willing to go in the pursuit of that happiness .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This isn't a rant btw, I'm just curious.

Women always have the power, esp when it comes to sex x"

I agree, apart from with me because I am He man and I have the power

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By *eavenscentitCouple over a year ago

barnstaple

We meet fun, sexy single males. We choose carefully. If I say no as the female I mean no. I am always happy to watch the men play together.

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By *layfullsamMan over a year ago

Solihull

Women have vaginas and with that comes amazing powers over men

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"There might seem like there's a lack of women... But I find there's a lack of true heterosexual men on here too.

Yay for the hetro's

You'd think. But i maintain that if someone is single age 35+ it's usually for a damn good reason. (Not always).

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By *hubaysiWoman over a year ago

Leeds

"Women have vaginas and with that comes amazing powers over men

Ha ha well done you've noticed that we have vagina's...

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"Women have vaginas and with that comes amazing powers over men

Ha ha well done you've noticed that we have vagina's...

And tits. Don't forget tits.

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By *xtrafun4youMan over a year ago

Dunstable

Yes they do. And some women a dame rude.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"To my knowledge only two people have the power,and neither of them are female.

Phil Taylor and He Man."

She Ra and Wonder Woman have the power too!.... and there's Celine Dion, she's got the Power of Love

Lol x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You'd think. But i maintain that if someone is single age 35+ it's usually for a damn good reason. (Not always).

I'm single because I want to be in a mutual true love match... I don't believe in have vacuous relationships that focus on just getting your sexual or social status needs met

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you clash with someone, then just move on to socialise with the next person as how someone treats you is a reflection on them not you (as long as you've not gone out of your way to be a *unt).

to sentimental for my tastes

the reality is we are not all equal because we are not clones carbon copies of each other

we are all individuals who are scrambling over each other in our pursuit of happiness the only difference is in how far we are willing to go in the pursuit of that happiness . "

You can pretend you don't emote but truth is you still do despite the cynicism... x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's all in your head imo, how you choose to view life... You seem to have a 'them against us mentality' and you seem to want to place yourself...

to sentimental for my tastes

the reality is we are not all equal because we are not clones carbon copies of each other

we are all individuals who are scrambling over each other in our pursuit of happiness the only difference is in how far we are willing to go in the pursuit of that happiness . "

I'm talking of being equally valid, equally unique, equally worthy of respect... I'd like to see you try and be me?!.. It's taken me 41 years of hard meing to get this good at being myself despite what society and y'all think I should be doing with myself lol.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This isn't a rant btw, I'm just curious.

I think the women do have all the power on here.. If they don't.. then they deserve to.

I've had men tell me they wouldn't message me. I have no power over them. "

Did they message you to tell you that haha!

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By *andsonjohnMan over a year ago

in the eye of the storm

"There might seem like there's a lack of women... But I find there's a lack of true heterosexual men on here too.

Yay for the hetro's

You'd think. But i maintain that if someone is single age 35+ it's usually for a damn good reason. (Not always).

hay clem you dam well know that school of thinking is applicable to men only on here .

i dare you try and imply that same school of thought to women to

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By *andsonjohnMan over a year ago

in the eye of the storm

"It's all in your head imo, how you choose to view life... You seem to have a 'them against us mentality' and you seem to want to place yourself...

to sentimental for my tastes

the reality is we are not all equal because we are not clones carbon copies of each other

we are all individuals who are scrambling over each other in our pursuit of happiness the only difference is in how far we are willing to go in the pursuit of that happiness .

be you for a day no thanks I'm attached to my balls to much

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

If a woman puts a message on here saying "man wanted to fuck me this weekend" she will get hundreds of responses and can pick and choose.

If a man puts a message on saying "woman wanted to fuck me this weekend" he will get zero replies.

In the sense that they have far more options than men on here, yes they do have more power

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's all in your head imo, how you choose to view life... You seem to have a 'them against us mentality' and you seem to want to place yourself...

to sentimental for my tastes

the reality is we are not all equal because we are not clones carbon copies of each other

we are all individuals who are scrambling over each other in our pursuit of happiness the only difference is in how far we are willing to go in the pursuit of that happiness .

be you for a day no thanks I'm attached to my balls to much

If I were you for a day I'd show your balls and cock a real good time... that's a promise!

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By *andsonjohnMan over a year ago

in the eye of the storm

"If a woman puts a message on here saying "man wanted to fuck me this weekend" she will get hundreds of responses and can pick and choose.

If a man puts a message on saying "woman wanted to fuck me this weekend" he will get zero replies.

In the sense that they have far more options than men on here, yes they do have more power "

if i put a message up saying who wants to be topped by me this weekend i can assure you i will get replies

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

You'd think. But i maintain that if someone is single age 35+ it's usually for a damn good reason. (Not always).

I'm single because I want to be in a mutual true love match... I don't believe in have vacuous relationships that focus on just getting your sexual or social status needs met"

Illustrated beautifully

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By *andsonjohnMan over a year ago

in the eye of the storm

"It's all in your head imo, how you choose to view life... You seem to have a 'them against us mentality' and you seem to want to place yourself...

to sentimental for my tastes

the reality is we are not all equal because we are not clones carbon copies of each other

we are all individuals who are scrambling over each other in our pursuit of happiness the only difference is in how far we are willing to go in the pursuit of that happiness .

be you for a day no thanks I'm attached to my balls to much

If I were you for a day I'd show your balls and cock a real good time... that's a promise!"

if i had a pound for every time I've heard that on here

i would be picking up my meets in a Lamborghini

yes I'd be over compensating

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's all in your head imo, how you choose to view life... You seem to have a 'them against us mentality' and you seem to want to place yourself...

to sentimental for my tastes

the reality is we are not all equal because we are not clones carbon copies of each other

we are all individuals who are scrambling over each other in our pursuit of happiness the only difference is in how far we are willing to go in the pursuit of that happiness .

be you for a day no thanks I'm attached to my balls to much

If I were you for a day I'd show your balls and cock a real good time... that's a promise!

if i had a pound for every time I've heard that on here

i would be picking up my meets in a Lamborghini

yes I'd be over compensating

I'm a doer Longjohn and I don't fuck about once I get my teeth into something.....

lol x

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

It's a cliché, but largely true that women want love and men want sex. Hence in a site dedicated to NSA sex there will be far more men than women and the latter will have the market power.

The converse will apply in a site dedicated to loving long term relationships with sex only on offer in that context.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"To my knowledge only two people have the power,and neither of them are female.

Phil Taylor and He Man.

She Ra and Wonder Woman have the power too!.... and there's Celine Dion, she's got the Power of Love

Lol x"

I stand corrected thank you

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By *ieman300Man over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East

"If a woman puts a message on here saying "man wanted to fuck me this weekend" she will get hundreds of responses and can pick and choose.

If a man puts a message on saying "woman wanted to fuck me this weekend" he will get zero replies.

In the sense that they have far more options than men on here, yes they do have more power "

But in no sense ever are options and power the same thing. If someone started a thread saying do women generally have more options than men then we would all reply yes.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"If a woman puts a message on here saying "man wanted to fuck me this weekend" she will get hundreds of responses and can pick and choose.

If a man puts a message on saying "woman wanted to fuck me this weekend" he will get zero replies.

In the sense that they have far more options than men on here, yes they do have more power

But in no sense ever are options and power the same thing. If someone started a thread saying do women generally have more options than men then we would all reply yes."

If A has more power than B it means the same thing as saying she has more options. If I point a gun at your head and tell you to hand over your money or I will kill you I have power over you in the sense that you only have. One options (assuming there is no possibility of assistance or escape and that I mean it). I, on the other hand, have a number of options. I could kill you or not kill you, just injure you, just scare you, take your money or not take your money etc. Etc

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By *orders2forUCouple over a year ago

Hawick

My wife would reject both a ripped guy and a hung guy. Likes neither.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"If a woman puts a message on here saying "man wanted to fuck me this weekend" she will get hundreds of responses and can pick and choose.

If a man puts a message on saying "woman wanted to fuck me this weekend" he will get zero replies.

In the sense that they have far more options than men on here, yes they do have more power

But in no sense ever are options and power the same thing. If someone started a thread saying do women generally have more options than men then we would all reply yes.

Interesting point.

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By *ieman300Man over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East

"If a woman puts a message on here saying "man wanted to fuck me this weekend" she will get hundreds of responses and can pick and choose.

If a man puts a message on saying "woman wanted to fuck me this weekend" he will get zero replies.

In the sense that they have far more options than men on here, yes they do have more power

But in no sense ever are options and power the same thing. If someone started a thread saying do women generally have more options than men then we would all reply yes.

Whilst thats true its not the same as what we are on about lol

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By *irginieWoman over a year ago

Near Marlborough

The only power I have (or need) is to be able to do only what pleases me

V x

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By *entonMan over a year ago

Ayrshire

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By *he Queen of TartsWoman over a year ago
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My Own Little World

I have never understood why it is said that women have all the power in the swinging world.

I have power over myself sure, but I can't tell my husband we are going to have sex with that couple but then neither can he say that to me.

We both have the power to 'veto', I can say I don't want you to play with her and he likewise.

If we are playing singularly in a club I can't really go up to a single guy and tell him he is gonna fuck me and there is nothing he can do about it.

If I mail a bloke on here he isn't required to reply.

So where is my power?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I have never understood why it is said that women have all the power in the swinging world.

I have power over myself sure, but I can't tell my husband we are going to have sex with that couple but then neither can he say that to me.

We both have the power to 'veto', I can say I don't want you to play with her and he likewise.

If we are playing singularly in a club I can't really go up to a single guy and tell him he is gonna fuck me and there is nothing he can do about it.

If I mail a bloke on here he isn't required to reply.

So where is my power?"

With a hubby it may be a bit different as he's the centre of your kinky world that you share with others. Most single guys on here would have a fraction (if any) offers from women and the countless options women have gives them the means to chop and change without consequence.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So where is my power?"

In the mind (or possibly groin) of the man who is so desperate for sexual contact with a woman he will do what he is told.

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By *ELLONS AND CREAMWoman over a year ago

stourbridge area

"Alot of time wasters on here and just down right rude pervs that bombard woman with dirty messages and that ruins it for decent guys. Because ladies have to be strict and be aware. It's hard to get a chat sometime let alone meet someone "

Exactly this ..... manners maketh the man

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By *ilverhaloMan over a year ago

Glasgow

Exactly this ..... manners maketh the man

"
My messages are always very polite and I get very few replies wether they be no "thank yous" or not. Maybe my profile is shit or the woman don't find me attractive. Who knows?

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

We got lots of messages from straight guys. If only they just read the first line of our profile....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's a cliché, but largely true that women want love and men want sex. Hence in a site dedicated to NSA sex there will be far more men than women and the latter will have the market power.

The converse will apply in a site dedicated to loving long term relationships with sex only on offer in that context. "

I want a man who loves sex, not just the orgasm.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have never understood why it is said that women have all the power in the swinging world.

I have power over myself sure, but I can't tell my husband we are going to have sex with that couple but then neither can he say that to me.

We both have the power to 'veto', I can say I don't want you to play with her and he likewise.

If we are playing singularly in a club I can't really go up to a single guy and tell him he is gonna fuck me and there is nothing he can do about it.

If I mail a bloke on here he isn't required to reply.

So where is my power?

I'll have you know I propositioned a lovely looking guy on another thread in here today!!... happens all the time I should imagine what with there being 26 000 peeps on this site.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have never understood why it is said that women have all the power in the swinging world.

I have power over myself sure, but I can't tell my husband we are going to have sex with that couple but then neither can he say that to me.

We both have the power to 'veto', I can say I don't want you to play with her and he likewise.

If we are playing singularly in a club I can't really go up to a single guy and tell him he is gonna fuck me and there is nothing he can do about it.

If I mail a bloke on here he isn't required to reply.

So where is my power?

I'll have you know I propositioned a lovely looking guy on another thread in here today!!... happens all the time I should imagine what with there being 26 000 peeps on this site."

Never!?

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By *icentiousCouple over a year ago

Up on them there hills

I think the power is equal, it's desperation that gives the disadvantage.

In my world.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There might seem like there's a lack of women... But I find there's a lack of true heterosexual men on here too. "

That's very funny!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nobody holds any power on here or most places for that matter other than the individual.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's a cliché, but largely true that women want love and men want sex. Hence in a site dedicated to NSA sex there will be far more men than women and the latter will have the market power.

The converse will apply in a site dedicated to loving long term relationships with sex only on offer in that context.

I want a man who loves sex, not just the orgasm. "

In most men's defence.. a lot of us have been in boring sex relationships and don't really understand what good sex actually is and the difference it makes to the strength of both people's orgasm.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Pussy power always wins

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's a cliché, but largely true that women want love and men want sex. Hence in a site dedicated to NSA sex there will be far more men than women and the latter will have the market power.

The converse will apply in a site dedicated to loving long term relationships with sex only on offer in that context. "

Probably the most sensible and accurate post on here.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I have never understood why it is said that women have all the power in the swinging world.

I have power over myself sure, but I can't tell my husband we are going to have sex with that couple but then neither can he say that to me.

We both have the power to 'veto', I can say I don't want you to play with her and he likewise.

If we are playing singularly in a club I can't really go up to a single guy and tell him he is gonna fuck me and there is nothing he can do about it.

If I mail a bloke on here he isn't required to reply.

So where is my power?

I'll have you know I propositioned a lovely looking guy on another thread in here today!!... happens all the time I should imagine what with there being 26 000 peeps on this site."

Um no, you're just amazing and he's lucky I'd imagine. Most first messages coming from women turn out to be spam or scams.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well calling someone amazing when you know nothing about them says it all to me.... a t t it u d e ... Life depends on how you look at things in my world...(but you're right I'm 60% amazing lol, I do work on my general amazingness every day tho lol) x

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Well calling someone amazing when you know nothing about them says it all to me.... a t t it u d e ... Life depends on how you look at things in my world...(but you're right I'm 60% amazing lol, I do work on my general amazingness every day tho lol) x"

Ok I'm not gonna justify that with a needlessly ingratiating justification (I kinda see that as a no no on places like here).

What I meant was that you're making someone's day by being that 1 in 1000 of women that'll make first contact with a guy and is not a scammer. Hope thant makes more sense. I don't do meaningless compliments

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By *layfullsamMan over a year ago

Solihull

"Women have vaginas and with that comes amazing powers over men

Ha ha well done you've noticed that we have vagina's...

I'm very observant like that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There might seem like there's a lack of women... But I find there's a lack of true heterosexual men on here too.

Yay for the hetro's

his statement holds true for both sexes though in my opinion .

in fact due to the numbers game there are more men on here who aren't cunts than women who aren't .

And then there's the men that pretend to be women. What are they?

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By *ribsaMan over a year ago

A box at end of your bed

Yes they do.

As a baby we fight for 9 months to get out. Then as men we fight the rest of our lives trying to get back in. So I would say women have all the power.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have never understood why it is said that women have all the power in the swinging world.

I have power over myself sure, but I can't tell my husband we are going to have sex with that couple but then neither can he say that to me.

We both have the power to 'veto', I can say I don't want you to play with her and he likewise.

If we are playing singularly in a club I can't really go up to a single guy and tell him he is gonna fuck me and there is nothing he can do about it.

If I mail a bloke on here he isn't required to reply.

So where is my power?"

It's equal.

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By *andorasSecretCouple over a year ago

Nr Birmingham

Jeez, all these poor, powerless guys. How dare women on here be a bit cautious! Just because womankind has been murdered, sexually abused and exploited by men since the beginning of time, and all while shouldering the burden of pregnancy and raising children! The very fact that women are selective proves that men have the real power in society. And I'm a man. Sorry about the rant. Blame my mum - she was a bit militant.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Jeez, all these poor, powerless guys. How dare women on here be a bit cautious! Just because womankind has been murdered, sexually abused and exploited by men since the beginning of time, and all while shouldering the burden of pregnancy and raising children! The very fact that women are selective proves that men have the real power in society. And I'm a man. Sorry about the rant. Blame my mum - she was a bit militant."

Tbf I wasn't very selective initially but I've evolved into wanting more than a quick fuck... and once you've experienced a multitude of sex with various types of people, male and female you start to hone what it is you're looking for.

As a bisexually sexual woman (meaning I prefer to have sex with women as opposed to having a lesbian relationship because I love cock too much and start yearning for it when all I've git is pussy on tap lol), I have NEVER had shit sex with a woman, they're just bloody yummy... whereas men can be very hit and miss sometimes?!.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"There might seem like there's a lack of women... But I find there's a lack of true heterosexual men on here too.

Yay for the hetro's

his statement holds true for both sexes though in my opinion .

in fact due to the numbers game there are more men on here who aren't cunts than women who aren't .

And then there's the men that pretend to be women. What are they?"

X-men.

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By *andsonjohnMan over a year ago

in the eye of the storm

"There might seem like there's a lack of women... But I find there's a lack of true heterosexual men on here too.

Yay for the hetro's

his statement holds true for both sexes though in my opinion .

in fact due to the numbers game there are more men on here who aren't cunts than women who aren't .

And then there's the men that pretend to be women. What are they?

X-men."

You stole my line

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Women can survive and couple plenty easy without men, men however not so good.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There might seem like there's a lack of women... But I find there's a lack of true heterosexual men on here too.

Yay for the hetro's

his statement holds true for both sexes though in my opinion .

in fact due to the numbers game there are more men on here who aren't cunts than women who aren't .

And then there's the men that pretend to be women. What are they?"

There absolute fucking arseholes,that's what they are!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There might seem like there's a lack of women... But I find there's a lack of true heterosexual men on here too.

Yay for the hetro's

his statement holds true for both sexes though in my opinion .

in fact due to the numbers game there are more men on here who aren't cunts than women who aren't .

And then there's the men that pretend to be women. What are they?

X-men."

for pure ridiculousness

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By *reygorCouple over a year ago

birmingham

no good ping ponging on here.the female says yes your getting it she says no you wanking .how much more power you want.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Of course they have

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By *rexhamchrisMan over a year ago

wrexham

Power of the pussy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do Women Have All The Power On Here"

No. We just message, treat and talk to females and couples the same way. If anyone wants to feel they have power or status, that's their prerogative and it won't get far with us.

Or are people equating "choosy" and "power" As being the same?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

""Do Women Have All The Power On Here"

No. We just message, treat and talk to females and couples the same way. If anyone wants to feel they have power or status, that's their prerogative and it won't get far with us.

Or are people equating "choosy" and "power" As being the same? "

Not being 'choosy', but having a wide choice of men bombarding with messages I was thinking.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Power of the pussy "

What about power of the cock? It can carry more weight

- Mrs. J -

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By *olden_Road_to_SamarkandMan over a year ago

London & North Wessex Downs

They probably do - but who's complaining?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There might seem like there's a lack of women... But I find there's a lack of true heterosexual men on here too. "

There's one here if any ladies think there's a shortage!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"no good ping ponging on here.the female says yes your getting it she says no you wanking .how much more power you want."

If the man says yes you're getting it. If he says no you're wanking.

It's a 2 way street.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"no good ping ponging on here.the female says yes your getting it she says no you wanking .how much more power you want.

If the man says yes you're getting it. If he says no you're wanking.

It's a 2 way street. "

If a man says no then 10 seconds later the woman is looking through 500 messages from other guys and can pick whomever she wants. If a woman says no then a very sexually frustrated guy is gonna be jerking off and spending weeks or months getting another meet to happen during which that lady has screwed 10's of guys (just because she can).

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"no good ping ponging on here.the female says yes your getting it she says no you wanking .how much more power you want.

If the man says yes you're getting it. If he says no you're wanking.

It's a 2 way street.

No.. It depends on the people you're talking about and in what sense.

Everyone's on an equal footing. If you can't see that. you're blind. what you choose to do with the tools at your disposal is up to you. how you go about living your life is up to you, the way in which you view and communicate with the person you're attracted to is up to you.

So everyone a man moans about it being unfair.. you look like someone left in the wrong half of the gene pool. NO OFFENCE!

Clues, tips, hints are given by those who understand it.. for free.. because they're generous. Most of the time.. it's in plain English like this.. and you still don't get it..

How is any of that unfair to either sex? The people who have it hardest are the women if anyone.. because there aren't enough to share.. a lot of them don't want to. and they have to put up with vulgar shit like "Can I shit down your throat" or "can I impregnate you?" You guys who send that sort of shit will NEVER understand fab.

It's full of brave, intelligent, funny, cool, calculating small percentage of people who have the balls to live this way.. and manners to be slowly allowed in.

Show some respect to the women.. go practice in vanilla land first.. then come looking for a REAL woman, man, trans (sorry I'm still learning here

what's best to say

Rant over.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"no good ping ponging on here.the female says yes your getting it she says no you wanking .how much more power you want.

If the man says yes you're getting it. If he says no you're wanking.

It's a 2 way street.

Total rubbish!

I've been stood up/cancelled/told no several times whilst I've been on here and in vanilla world....... and I've never managed to replace that cancellation even tho on some of those occasions I've had a few days notice! So I've spent my day/night off bored and alone or in the company of vanilla friends

The ratio of men to women on here is far from equal but that's just numbers anybody regardless of sex has the power to say NO

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"no good ping ponging on here.the female says yes your getting it she says no you wanking .how much more power you want.

If the man says yes you're getting it. If he says no you're wanking.

It's a 2 way street.

No.. It depends on the people you're talking about and in what sense.

So everyone a man moans about it being unfair.. you look like someone left in the wrong half of the gene pool. NO OFFENCE!

Clues, tips, hints are given by those who understand it.. for free.. because they're generous. Most of the time.. it's in plain English like this.. and you still don't get it..

It's full of brave, intelligent, funny, cool, calculating small percentage of people who have the balls to live this way.. and manners to be slowly allowed in.

Show some respect to the women.. go practice in vanilla land first.. then come looking for a REAL woman, man, trans (sorry I'm still learning here

what's best to say

Rant over."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"no good ping ponging on here.the female says yes your getting it she says no you wanking .how much more power you want.

If the man says yes you're getting it. If he says no you're wanking.

It's a 2 way street.

And if all those 500 mails are disgusting crap from sexually frustrated men....??

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"no good ping ponging on here.the female says yes your getting it she says no you wanking .how much more power you want.

If the man says yes you're getting it. If he says no you're wanking.

It's a 2 way street.

And if all those 500 mails are disgusting crap from sexually frustrated men....??

They won't be. I'm not big headed enough to believe that I'm by any means the only guy being respectful in his messages on here, so of those 500 50 or more would be decent ones from which only a few guys would be worthy (in your eyes) of a response and the others will go searching again.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes and we bloody well love it!!!

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By *wingsingMan over a year ago

Berkshire/London

If a woman has power over a man on here it's because he's given it to her. "

I agree with much of what you say above at a logical and detached way.

Sex, desire etc doesn't operate that way for many men. Women also have a greater choice of men in the swinging world I feel ... The more choice we have or more easily accessible something is we are more selective in our choices.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes got to say definitely think women do have all the power on fab. I had a single guys profile for years before starting a couples profile with g/f. Vast amount of guys to women they can pick and choose who they want. Like a previous person said it's hard for single guys as there are lots of guys on the site that are timewasters so the genuine guys do suffer. Now I have a couples profile nothing's changed all about what the g/f wants

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Good character. Many women on here have it - some obviously do not.

Good character. Some women on here have it - Many obviously do not.

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By *anetandNickCouple over a year ago

Ross-on-Wye

On the very rare occasions that we meet single guys, it's an imaginative scenario that attracts me. I could care less about "ripped/hung" in fact it usually puts me off.

Janet

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By *omer47Man over a year ago

leigh

Yes of course they do.they are too fussy & picky aswell.i been on here a year & not managed to meet 1 female let alone get a reply from them.married men don't get a look in but married females.....well that's ok.so if you say women control this site then YES they most certainly do FACT.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"Yes of course they do.they are too fussy & picky aswell.i been on here a year & not managed to meet 1 female let alone get a reply from them.married men don't get a look in but married females.....well that's ok.so if you say women control this site then YES they most certainly do FACT."

Seriously Dave, I don't think you can blame your lack of success on fusiness. I would take a serious look at your one pic.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I was told I was loyal because I said I was waiting to meet a guy I'd been speaking to a for a while but distance was proving a meet to be hard. However I was then convinced to just meet this other dude as the one I was waiting to meet was probably shagging and meeting other birds local to him. Good point and I'm now going to meet a handsome local hunk of Welsh beef tomorrow.

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By *K430Man over a year ago

Tipperary

Regarding numbers , when men outnumber women by about 10 to 1 the women will have alot more choice and messages, not necessarily a good thing, regarding power , depends on desperation of guys messaging , guys should be able to take or leave if they want . Short answer,no real power either way unless one or the other is desperate

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I was told I was loyal because I said I was waiting to meet a guy I'd been speaking to a for a while but distance was proving a meet to be hard. However I was then convinced to just meet this other dude as the one I was waiting to meet was probably shagging and meeting other birds local to him. Good point and I'm now going to meet a handsome local hunk of Welsh beef tomorrow. "

Yayyy

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