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Gay play at "straight" clubs?

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

How would you feel if you were at a normal swingers club, say on a standard Saturday night for couples and single women, and two guys were playing and fucking in a prominent and visible place within the club?

I know it's not something that happens often (at all?) but I'm wondering if that's because the atmosphere is particularly homophobic at most clubs, or if it's just because not that many bisexual men go to them?

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By *irty-milfCouple over a year ago

edinburgh

Personally I wouldn't have an issue with it.

I probably would not want to hang around to watch but then that could be said of many regular male female couples who i would prefer not to see fucking.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'd watch for a while then ask if i can join in

Nobody bats an eye lid at two women playing in club's on a none bi night so why do so many make such a fuss over two guys

I've seen it a few times where guys have been having oral together and people have made a fuss, always makes me laugh when it's a guy complaining about two guys together while his wife's chowing down on another woman's muff

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By *andorasSecretCouple over a year ago

Nr Birmingham

I (Ali) wouldn't have an issue with it. What I loved about clubs when I first joined the scene (and probably one of the main reasons I/we continue to visit) is that people can go and be themselves...escape from the conformity of life.

I've seen activity that I don't find appealing but I just keep on walking. I certainly don't find it insulting. Each to their own and all that. Although, that said, I've never seen any MM play, even on the odd occasion I've visited on 'bi' night.

Ali x

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By *andorasSecretCouple over a year ago

Nr Birmingham

"I'd watch for a while then ask if i can join in

Nobody bats an eye lid at two women playing in club's on a none bi night so why do so many make such a fuss over two guys

This made my smile.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Am straight so woudnt like that.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Am straight so woudnt like that."

I'm not sure you have to be a gay/bi woman to find men playing with other men attractive.

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By *andorasSecretCouple over a year ago

Nr Birmingham

"Am straight so woudnt like that.

I'm not sure you have to be a gay/bi woman to find men playing with other men attractive.

This

Variety is what keeps me here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't think many straight guys would turn down two bi women

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By *rMrs CumalotCouple over a year ago

East Mids

Each to their own!

Wouldn't bother us!

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By *rMrs CumalotCouple over a year ago

East Mids

"I (Ali) wouldn't have an issue with it. What I loved about clubs when I first joined the scene (and probably one of the main reasons I/we continue to visit) is that people can go and be themselves...escape from the conformity of life.

Ali x"

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By *eardsandboobsCouple over a year ago

north of lincoln

We were having an mmf in a locked room with a window at a club. And when the guys were giving each other oral people kept banging on the window for us to stop. We haven't been back since . We never made them watch

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By *onny MCMan over a year ago

Crawley

"How would you feel if you were at a normal swingers club, say on a standard Saturday night for couples and single women, and two guys were playing and fucking in a prominent and visible place within the club?

OurPlace4Fun is straight-centric, but did see a guy take over a blowjob from his girlfriend in the grope cage one night and the guy receiving either didn't know or care.

Later in the night, I'm watching the same couple shagging and the guy next to me asks "is he gay?". Now I know you can't always tell these days or rely on the stereotypes, but if you can't figure out if a guy's into girls when he's balls deep in one...

Made me chuckle.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We were having an mmf in a locked room with a window at a club. And when the guys were giving each other oral people kept banging on the window for us to stop. We haven't been back since . We never made them watch "

If that had been me the whole club would have heard my reaction

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

That's sad.

No violence or threats or anything though, I hope?

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By *andorasSecretCouple over a year ago

Nr Birmingham

Wow...was that a well known club? I'd have been fighting my way to the front to watch.

Ali

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

I think it's a big leap to say there is a homophobic atmosphere.

I'm not homophobic and have no problem with gay men at all. But I don't want to see them fucking each other.

MrB

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I think it's a big leap to say there is a homophobic atmosphere.

I'm not homophobic and have no problem with gay men at all. But I don't want to see them fucking each other.

MrB"

Would you have a problem with it though? Or would you just watch something else?

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By *eardsandboobsCouple over a year ago

north of lincoln

That's sad.

No violence or threats or anything though, I hope?"

No threats just told it was ruining the atmosphere and it wasn't a bi night.

It wasn't a big club but is well known

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By *andorasSecretCouple over a year ago

Nr Birmingham

"I think it's a big leap to say there is a homophobic atmosphere.

I'm not homophobic and have no problem with gay men at all. But I don't want to see them fucking each other.

MrB"

So just walk past then. I don't particularly find larger people playing a turn on, but it doesn't offend and I certainly wouldn't comment or expect them to stop. Ali

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

"I think it's a big leap to say there is a homophobic atmosphere.

I'm not homophobic and have no problem with gay men at all. But I don't want to see them fucking each other.

MrB

Would you have a problem with it though? Or would you just watch something else?"

Depends what you mean by problem with it. Obviously gay men have sex with each other and that's fine. I wouldn't want to play in an open room where they were having sex because I would see it and find it off-putting. So, if there wasn't another room it might be a practical problem.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I think it's a big leap to say there is a homophobic atmosphere.

I'm not homophobic and have no problem with gay men at all. But I don't want to see them fucking each other.

MrB

Would you have a problem with it though? Or would you just watch something else?

Sure, that makes sense.

I presume you wouldn't complain or say anything though?

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

So just walk past then. I don't particularly find larger people playing a turn on, but it doesn't offend and I certainly wouldn't comment or expect them to stop. Ali "

I wouldn't be offendwd or ask them to stop. I didn't imply any of those things. I just said I don't want to see it, just the same as your example.

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By *andorasSecretCouple over a year ago

Nr Birmingham

So just walk past then. I don't particularly find larger people playing a turn on, but it doesn't offend and I certainly wouldn't comment or expect them to stop. Ali

I wouldn't be offendwd or ask them to stop. I didn't imply any of those things. I just said I don't want to see it, just the same as your example."

Understood.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Am straight so woudnt like that."

I'm straight but i love watching guys play together. It's my fav thing to see

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

OurPlace4Fun is straight-centric, but did see a guy take over a blowjob from his girlfriend in the grope cage one night and the guy receiving either didn't know or care.

Made me chuckle. "

That's too bad. In a locked room? Nothing to do with them! I like to think swingers attitudes on this are changing fast, though there is so much prejudice to overcome. A few years back man-on-man in swinging setups was taboo, it is becoming more and more visible, and "tolerated".

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By *inky-MinxWoman over a year ago

Grantham

I'd watch

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Am straight so woudnt like that."

My wife's straight. She loves me in make mode getting it on with a hot guy.

Bit like the way so many straight guys enjoy watching girl on girl.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

OurPlace4Fun is straight-centric, but did see a guy take over a blowjob from his girlfriend in the grope cage one night and the guy receiving either didn't know or care.

Made me chuckle.

It's more than tolerated in our house...

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By *lorious hole bs16Man over a year ago

Bristol

"Am straight so woudnt like that."

I think that probably answers yr question Op

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I wish more men felt comfortable to express their sexuality in swinging clubs.

It's a club for sexual adventures and swinging, that should not include man on man play.

I think it's ridiculous to try and exclude them. It certainly wouldn't spoil the atmosphere if people didn't look.

As someone else mentioned, i don't like watching large people or folks of a certain age having sex. I just choose to focus on those who I do like watching. I don't make a big deal about it.

Eve. X

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By *ip73Man over a year ago

Stanwell

"I wish more men felt comfortable to express their sexuality in swinging clubs.

It's a club for sexual adventures and swinging, that should not include man on man play.

I think it's ridiculous to try and exclude them. It certainly wouldn't spoil the atmosphere if people didn't look.

As someone else mentioned, i don't like watching large people or folks of a certain age having sex. I just choose to focus on those who I do like watching. I don't make a big deal about it.

Eve. X"
Great pics Gotham would love play with both of you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I would watch if what they were doing interested me.

Or I'd ignore them.

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By *lirty_dirtyCouple over a year ago

Lingfield

We love watching guys have sex but would have preferred to join in!! Must admit though, you don't see enough of it in clubs and as a bi male I'd be cautious of having sex with another guy openly in a club, plenty would frown upon it sadly

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By *igeiaWoman over a year ago

Bristol

I would find it a welcome change. Plus my regular club companion is bi and he would bloody love to see that even if just from a voyeuristic perspective.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wish more men felt comfortable to express their sexuality in swinging clubs.

It's a club for sexual adventures and swinging, that should include man on man play.

I think it's ridiculous to try and exclude them. It certainly wouldn't spoil the atmosphere if people didn't look.

As someone else mentioned, i don't like watching large people or folks of a certain age having sex. I just choose to focus on those who I do like watching. I don't make a big deal about it.

Eve. X"

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By *plpxp2Couple over a year ago

Middlesbrough

No issues at all, usually find clubs a very liberating environment where everything is accepted.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's crazy that men playing together is looked down upon at clubs . No one bats an eyelid at two women together .

We would happily watch , it's my wife's favourite thing go wank over .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Two men aren't a particular turn on for me, but would not have a problem with this taking place at a club nor would it stop us playing in the same vicinity.

I think we'd rather play at a more inclusive club which everyone can play however they see fit, afterall I've never given a second thought that someone might not like to see my fat wobbly arse in the air but I'm sure plenty of people would rather not have seen it.

Ginger

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What we love about our club visits is seeing people enjoying themselves freely and doing whatever they want to do. In xtasia one time we spent ages simply being voyeuristic & walking around watching others interact.

Like others have previously stated, if we saw something we didn't want to watch we would simply wander off and see what else was happening. That being said I think both of us would be intrigued to see this as we've never seen it openly like that live in front of us before.

I find it very sad that in this day and age the aforementioned incident happened where people banged on a window asking it to stop. Had i been involved I hope I would have had the strength of character to have answered back

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By *inkySlinkyCouple over a year ago

Leeds

I assumed swingers were open minded about sex. I am shocked that so many are not comfortable to see two consenting men enjoying themselves together.

Sally

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By *a Fee VerteWoman over a year ago

Limbo

I wouldn't mind at all and may, depending on how attractive I personally found them, my mood at the time etc., find it a turn on.

Generally, I like to see people having fun and letting themselves go in any case regardless of what exactly they're doing or what they look like. I particularly enjoy club nights when there's an atmosphere of open mindedness and acceptance ... when it's like that I tend to feel more relaxed. And I'm afraid I simply don't understand why some people actually get *offended* by how others enjoy sex .... we all like different things, so don't park yourself next to others who are playing in a way that does nothing for you, and don't stand watching .... but 'offended' is surely the wrong word. It's not as if you're being forced to join in, or watch. Why should gay sex be regarded as 'worse' than straight sex ... it's just different - and if we're talking specifically about guys fucking, well, you see women being fucked anally sometimes too. Would *that* create such a hoo ha?

What offends me/puts me off most in clubs is overbearing, ill mannered and/or d*unk people. Or the few occasions when you see couples where one half seems rather reluctant. I can't summon the energy to fret about what kind of sex others are having - it's irrelevant to me. But it's a shame if anyone feels inhibited about going with the flow and doing what feels right in the moment in a swinging club of all places, for fear of being criticised, or looked at in disgust.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It would be frowned upon by most people, just like it is in real life.

Most people dislike homosexuality and that's okay

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By *lla_maiWoman over a year ago

staffordshire

I dont see the problem with it. If people are happy for women to play openly it should be no different for men. No one forces bystanders to watch

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Let them crack on and Rodger each other senseless. It's not something I'd want to sit and watch but it's not something I'd be against happening.

And people banging on the window because of the two guys is bullshit, they should of been reported and asked to leave

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I (mr) honestly don't know if I'd be amused by the oddity of it or physically revulsed. Probably the former but sexual preferences can be embarrassingly politically incorrect so I wouldn't be surprised if it was the latter. Either way I wouldn't complain... But I may want to scrub my eyes out with Cilit Bang

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Am straight so woudnt like that.

I'm straight but i love watching guys play together. It's my fav thing to see

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I (mr) honestly don't know if I'd be amused by the oddity of it or physically revulsed. Probably the former but sexual preferences can be embarrassingly politically incorrect so I wouldn't be surprised if it was the latter. Either way I wouldn't complain... But I may want to scrub my eyes out with Cilit Bang

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very honest reply. To be fair I would be asking to borrow the eye bleach as its not something Id want to see but would just move along. But if it happened in a room next to us we would go elsewhere. And it would totally turn me off

Cali

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As a bisexual...I genuinely think that people on the LGBT spectrum need to stop thinking they can impose their attitudes towards sex onto others. People get uncomfortable by homosexual acts...could much of that be based on sexual insecurity or unsubstantiated fear of gay/bisexual men? Maybe...but still, swinging doesnt suddenly mean everyone has to be okay with everything you do...same way its not free reign for men to demand sex from any and all women.

I would instead opt (and would actually prefer) going to nights designated for bi swingers/couples...I wont sit there and demand that those which do not cater to my needs start changing to suit my own sensibilities. Watching two men fuck would be hot, very hot...but its not for everyone and I would never demand people like it because I am some delusional liberal with a peculiar idea of what "tolerance" is.

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By *lorious hole bs16Man over a year ago

Bristol

"It would be frowned upon by most people, just like it is in real life.

Most people dislike homosexuality and that's okay

Is it?

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By *ndigo40Woman over a year ago

secret town

I would have a problem with it

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By *ndigo40Woman over a year ago

secret town

That's sad.

No violence or threats or anything though, I hope?"

In another thread you like hitting women

Make your mind up!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But if the situation was this....?

You're playing in a group sesh in a room and two of the guys who had just fucked some of the women started having anal sex with each other?

How would you feel ?

Would you just carry on regardless?

What if the two obviously Bi guys then wanted to fuck the women/your wife etc again after the guys had fucked each other?

Would you be ok with the situation I've just described?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It would be frowned upon by most people, just like it is in real life.

Most people dislike homosexuality and that's okay

Are you for real? Since when was homophobia ok? If you don't like bi play then don't watch.

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By *.nottsbloke..Man over a year ago

the vale

"It would be frowned upon by most people, just like it is in real life.

Most people dislike homosexuality and that's okay

Narrow minded view from a so called kinky couple

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But if the situation was this....?

You're playing in a group sesh in a room and two of the guys who had just fucked some of the women started having anal sex with each other?

How would you feel ?

Would you just carry on regardless?

What if the two obviously Bi guys then wanted to fuck the women/your wife etc again after the guys had fucked each other?

Would you be ok with the situation I've just described?"

Yes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I wouldn't mind in the slightest. I'd happily stand and watch and maybe even hope id be invited to join in

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By *vgloryholebs16TV/TS over a year ago

Bristol.

"It would be frowned upon by most people, just like it is in real life.

Most people dislike homosexuality and that's okay

What??

This from a couple where one of them is bisexual!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We can understand some people being turned off by this but its a shame that the clubs only offer specific nights for bi male play. Perhaps a designated room might be a solution that would increase their footfall through the week on quiet night and then its clear what to expect when opening the door.

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By *inkySlinkyCouple over a year ago

Leeds

"But if the situation was this....?

You're playing in a group sesh in a room and two of the guys who had just fucked some of the women started having anal sex with each other?

How would you feel ?

Would you just carry on regardless?

What if the two obviously Bi guys then wanted to fuck the women/your wife etc again after the guys had fucked each other?

Would you be ok with the situation I've just described?"

I would be happy to let them fuck me so long as they wore a fresh condom.

Sally

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It would be frowned upon by most people, just like it is in real life.

Most people dislike homosexuality and that's okay

Are you aware girl on girl play is a homosexual act?

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By *ommenhimCouple over a year ago

wigan

I'm surprised by those who would be 'turned off' and those who believe this activity should be behind closed doors. Not turned on I can understand but turned off? Behind closed doors? Turn away, move yourselves! It's your problem not theirs! Some may not like spanking should they stop because it may offend? Some may not like bi fem play should they stop? Are swinging clubs places to go and have heterosexual sex in missionary position with lights off so as not to offend your partner or anyone who could see?

Crack on with your eye bleach, I hope it works out for you!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It would be frowned upon by most people, just like it is in real life.

Most people dislike homosexuality and that's okay

Narrow minded view from a so called kinky couple "

It's more narrow minded to insist everyone likes homosexuality. The post only says it's ok not to like homosexuality. It goes no further and as a statement actually your comment demonstrates intolerance. People have a right not to like Homosexually and avoid it if they wish. Just as Homosexual people have a right to be homosexual. That's the nature of equality.

If you don't mind us saying, insisting someone likes something seems a little bit bigoted.

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By *hell and jWoman over a year ago

Worksop

I'd want to join in mmmmm

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By *lorious hole bs16Man over a year ago

Bristol

"It would be frowned upon by most people, just like it is in real life.

Most people dislike homosexuality and that's okay

Narrow minded view from a so called kinky couple

If you don't mind us saying, insisting someone likes something seems a little bit bigoted."

Ok so it is a right for homosexuals not to like heterosexuallity and avoid it, is that how you are equality?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Thanks for all the thoughts guys.

One of my partners and myself have been invited to a regular swinging club on a Saturday night (something that we generally avoid) with the express intention of the guys playing together.

Just thought I'd feel out how others felt about it.

I'm a little saddened that some people responded to a perfectly normal sexual act with 'I'd need eye bleach', but I guess that's the kind of attitudes that you just have to try and ignore. I'm not sure I could ignore it personally (I'd just feel unwelcome), but my partner seems more comfortable with the idea.

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By *ommenhimCouple over a year ago

wigan

"It would be frowned upon by most people, just like it is in real life.

Most people dislike homosexuality and that's okay

Narrow minded view from a so called kinky couple

If you don't mind us saying, insisting someone likes something seems a little bit bigoted.

Ok so it is a right for homosexuals not to like heterosexuallity and avoid it, is that how you are equality? "

Not to like is fine, it's not something that's easily changed nor should anyone need to. To avoid ... yeah avoid stuff you don't like. But poor behaviour towards those acting in a way that doesn't suit you is a bit.... wrong!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ive never been to a club so excuse my ignorance.

But dont they have seperate Heterosexual nights and Gay/Bi nights ?

If thats the case then surely there shouldnt be a problem?

Just choose which nights are applicable to your sexuality and go to those nights then nobody is going to have any problems are they ??

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By *lorious hole bs16Man over a year ago

Bristol

"Thanks for all the thoughts guys.

One of my partners and myself have been invited to a regular swinging club on a Saturday night (something that we generally avoid) with the express intention of the guys playing together.

Just thought I'd feel out how others felt about it.

I am saddened too,especially as it's 2017 and this is a so called sexually liberated site..

I can understand why gay people often treat themselves (and others) badly, sometimes the self loathing results in suicide and often leads to a higher Risk of alcoholism and other fatal addictions.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I find it really bizarre how people wouldn't bat an eyelid at two women playing regardless of whether it was a bi night or not but have a problem with two men.

I have no idea if two men fucking does anything for me as I've never experienced it, but am in the process of arranging a bi mmf with two guys off here to find out . If I don't get turned on by it then I won't repeat it but I certainly would have no problem with seeing it a club

When we joined fab I thought it would be really open minded , but sadly the longer we are in here the more I realise that's not the case .

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But if the situation was this....?

You're playing in a group sesh in a room and two of the guys who had just fucked some of the women started having anal sex with each other?

How would you feel ?

Would you just carry on regardless?

What if the two obviously Bi guys then wanted to fuck the women/your wife etc again after the guys had fucked each other?

Would you be ok with the situation I've just described?"

of course I would as long as they cleaned up and used fresh condoms, they may very well have been having anal sex with the women...I'd want them to clean up after fucking the women as well anal or not...

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Ive never been to a club so excuse my ignorance.

But dont they have seperate Heterosexual nights and Gay/Bi nights ?

If thats the case then surely there shouldnt be a problem?

Just choose which nights are applicable to your sexuality and go to those nights then nobody is going to have any problems are they ??"

Well, that doesn't work if you want to go out on a Saturday night. Or if you want one that's busy. Or if you don't want single men. Or just because you don't want to be made to hide your sexuality away on a weekday night. Or for many other reasons.

Besides, there is *lots* of lesbian activity on 'straight' nights, so when clubs start banning that, we can talk.

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By *ommenhimCouple over a year ago

wigan

"Ive never been to a club so excuse my ignorance.

But dont they have seperate Heterosexual nights and Gay/Bi nights ?

If thats the case then surely there shouldnt be a problem?

Just choose which nights are applicable to your sexuality and go to those nights then nobody is going to have any problems are they ??"

I'd be surprised if any club ran a heterosexual night!

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By *ommenhimCouple over a year ago

wigan

Only two to a room at any time and the door must be locked with the lights off! Anyone showing an ankle should be turfed out immediately! Bloody provocateurs will ruin society with that sort of carry on!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think this is a strange comment to make after reading your profile and seeing how much you are in to bi men and women

I personally have never ever been to a club where there has been any homophobic atmosphere....id say the majority of men that attend are bisexual ...and a standard couple saturday??? Who said that a couple cant be 2 males .

i think the only homophobic person here is probably yourself and if 2 men offend you id suggest changing your profile .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ive never been to a club so excuse my ignorance.

But dont they have seperate Heterosexual nights and Gay/Bi nights ?

If thats the case then surely there shouldnt be a problem?

Just choose which nights are applicable to your sexuality and go to those nights then nobody is going to have any problems are they ??

Besides, there is *lots* of lesbian activity on 'straight' nights, so when clubs start banning that, we can talk.

Agreed.

There shouldnt be one rule for one sex and another rule for another?

Maybe the clubs should have something like free sexuality nights where all sexual tastes ,preferences and practices are enjoyed?

What do you think?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I think this is a strange comment to make after reading your profile and seeing how much you are in to bi men and women

i think the only homophobic person here is probably yourself and if 2 men offend you id suggest changing your profile ."

You seem to have drawn a very strange conclusion to my post, and perhaps need to reconsider your logic!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Ive never been to a club so excuse my ignorance.

But dont they have seperate Heterosexual nights and Gay/Bi nights ?

If thats the case then surely there shouldnt be a problem?

Just choose which nights are applicable to your sexuality and go to those nights then nobody is going to have any problems are they ??

Besides, there is *lots* of lesbian activity on 'straight' nights, so when clubs start banning that, we can talk.

Agreed.

There shouldnt be one rule for one sex and another rule for another?

Maybe the clubs should have something like free sexuality nights where all sexual tastes ,preferences and practices are enjoyed?

What do you think?

I think that should be every night.

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By *evaquitCouple over a year ago

Catthorpe

"As a bisexual...I genuinely think that people on the LGBT spectrum need to stop thinking they can impose their attitudes towards sex onto others. People get uncomfortable by homosexual acts...could much of that be based on sexual insecurity or unsubstantiated fear of gay/bisexual men? Maybe...but still, swinging doesnt suddenly mean everyone has to be okay with everything you do...same way its not free reign for men to demand sex from any and all women.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ive never been to a club so excuse my ignorance.

But dont they have seperate Heterosexual nights and Gay/Bi nights ?

If thats the case then surely there shouldnt be a problem?

Just choose which nights are applicable to your sexuality and go to those nights then nobody is going to have any problems are they ??

I'd be surprised if any club ran a heterosexual night! "

If they did run a heterosexual night?

Do you think it would be a success?

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By *ommenhimCouple over a year ago

wigan

Demanding sex from another would be a bit wrong! "It's not for everyone" ... what is? I would give you free rein to behave as you wished with those who consented be they male or female. I would feel it wrong to impose my attitudes upon you if something you chose to do didn't suit I would avoid it! I don't think that's delusional?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The club we go to most has m/m stuff going on at any time. It's great

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By *ommenhimCouple over a year ago

wigan

"Ive never been to a club so excuse my ignorance.

But dont they have seperate Heterosexual nights and Gay/Bi nights ?

If thats the case then surely there shouldnt be a problem?

Just choose which nights are applicable to your sexuality and go to those nights then nobody is going to have any problems are they ??

I'd be surprised if any club ran a heterosexual night!

If they did run a heterosexual night?

Do you think it would be a success?"

No... do you?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ive never been to a club so excuse my ignorance.

But dont they have seperate Heterosexual nights and Gay/Bi nights ?

If thats the case then surely there shouldnt be a problem?

Just choose which nights are applicable to your sexuality and go to those nights then nobody is going to have any problems are they ??

I'd be surprised if any club ran a heterosexual night!

If they did run a heterosexual night?

Do you think it would be a success?

No... do you?"

Id have no idea as i stated ive never been to a club so that why I am asking those of you who do go to clubs what your thoughts are from your experiences

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Ive never been to a club so excuse my ignorance.

But dont they have seperate Heterosexual nights and Gay/Bi nights ?

If thats the case then surely there shouldnt be a problem?

Just choose which nights are applicable to your sexuality and go to those nights then nobody is going to have any problems are they ??

I'd be surprised if any club ran a heterosexual night!

If they did run a heterosexual night?

Do you think it would be a success?

No... do you?"

Maybe they could put heterosexual night on one night during the week, and all the people who don't want to see men and women playing with the same sex can go that night.

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By *ommenhimCouple over a year ago

wigan

"Ive never been to a club so excuse my ignorance.

But dont they have seperate Heterosexual nights and Gay/Bi nights ?

If thats the case then surely there shouldnt be a problem?

Just choose which nights are applicable to your sexuality and go to those nights then nobody is going to have any problems are they ??

I'd be surprised if any club ran a heterosexual night!

If they did run a heterosexual night?

Do you think it would be a success?

No... do you?

Id have no idea as i stated ive never been to a club so that why I am asking those of you who do go to clubs what your thoughts are from your experiences

Not have we ... but I imagine when girls can't touch each other either, and while we're at it remove others kinks so as not to offend, the night may become quite boring?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"People get uncomfortable by homosexual acts...could much of that be based on sexual insecurity or unsubstantiated fear of gay/bisexual men? Maybe...but still, swinging doesnt suddenly mean everyone has to be okay with everything you do...same way its not free reign for men to demand sex from any and all women. "

I don't think you can even equate the two things.

I think that everyone should be ok with all sexualities. I think that anything else is homophobia. We aren't there yet, but I really do hope that we get there at some point in the next few decades.

I don't think it's ever ok to demand sex from anyone.

I am highly disappointed that you have just somehow basically just equated homosexuality with rapey, entitled behaviour.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't think you can even equate the two things.

I think that everyone should be ok with all sexualities. I think that anything else is homophobia. We aren't there yet, but I really do hope that we get there at some point in the next few decades.

I don't think it's ever ok to demand sex from anyone.

I am highly disappointed that you have just somehow basically just equated homosexuality with rapey, entitled behaviour."

Yeah, I have. You're entitled and trying to play the victim at the same time. Sorry, but I call it how I see it.

As stated, you're forcing your own sensibilities onto others. If you dont want to use the sexual aggression analogy you can use the bareback one. People get highly uncomfortable with people playing without condoms and often its heavily discouraged in many venues...what now? Do we now call those who dont wish to have bareback sex bigoted for not doing so? In the same way could I sit and call someone who isnt black a bigot for not wishing to have sex when I asked?

People feel uncomfortable with homosexual activity for a number of reason, yes, many of them are based on prejudices but even then I dont stomp my foot and demand them be okay with what I am saying. There are PLENTY of venues which encourage homosexual sex...saunas, mens clubs and even swingers club nights targeted toward bisexual and homosexual couples.

What you're really doing is a passive aggressive indoctrination tactic. People will grow comfortable with homosexuality in their own time...we can most certainly legislate against those who want to discriminate against LGBT people but we cant now start demanding activities are tailored to shove the sexual behaviors of a small demographic onto everyone else.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I would give you free rein to behave as you wished with those who consented be they male or female. "

Really? You would? I do find it interesting how pervading attitudes suddenly shift among those who wanna be politically correct and "right on". Lets not pretend as if plenty of people dont have a serious problem with the way consenting adults allow some swingers to treat them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Do we now call those who dont wish to have bareback sex bigoted for not doing so? In the same way could I sit and call someone who isnt black a bigot for not wishing to have sex when I asked?"

Bareback sex is a choice. Sexuality is not a choice.

"People feel uncomfortable with homosexual activity for a number of reason, yes, many of them are based on prejudices but even then I dont stomp my foot and demand them be okay with what I am saying."

You know, I don't agree with this at all. Imagine if someone started stomping their foot because a black woman was playing with a white man. I'm entirely sure that they'd be thrown out of the club for such a blatant display of racism. At least I *hope* they would be thrown out of the club for racism. I expect the same attitude from clubs for sexuality.

"There are PLENTY of venues which encourage homosexual sex...saunas, mens clubs and even swingers club nights targeted toward bisexual and homosexual couples."

Except there aren't. Actually. Saunas and mens clubs do not generally allow women in. They don't usually even allow transmen in. A small handful occasionally have 'bisexual' nights where women are tolerated.

And swingers clubs only provide 'bisexual' nights on weeknights, which aren't practical for many people.

"What you're really doing is a passive aggressive indoctrination tactic."

I disagree. I'm not trying to make anyone gay or bisexual. I'm just hoping that people will 'live and let live' in a place that is supposed to be all about sexual openness.

"People will grow comfortable with homosexuality in their own time...we can most certainly legislate against those who want to discriminate against LGBT people but we cant now start demanding activities are tailored to shove the sexual behaviors of a small demographic onto everyone else. "

People will indeed grow comfortable with homosexuality in their own time. However, that time is not coming soon enough for many of us that aren't straight. If I hear about a man hitting a woman, I don't just laugh and go 'oh well, he's just a bit old fashioned, he'll come around to gender equality in his own time'. We don't go 'oh those American slave owners, we'll let them come around to the idea that black people are human in their own time.'

We say 'no, your behaviour isn't acceptable. If you don't want to treat humans like humans, then you are not welcome in this part of society'. And I hope that swingers would do the same. I would hope that people who are homophobic would just avert their eyes and not join in, rather than try to prevent something that isn't harming them in any way at all.

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By *lorious hole bs16Man over a year ago

Bristol

Racism and Sexism has always had a much bigger profile than heterosexism.I think in terms of priorities all 3 should be treated challenged etc as equal,but alas the latter has always struggled to be taken seriously..I am optimistic,that the day will arrive, but we just have to wait patiently and be tolerant about the intolerance

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Racism and Sexism has always had a much bigger profile than heterosexism.I think in terms of priorities all 3 should be treated challenged etc as equal,but alas the latter has always struggled to be taken seriously..I am optimistic,that the day will arrive, but we just have to wait patiently and be tolerant about the intolerance

Waiting patiently never got shit done.

Being polite never got shit done.

I am tired of waiting for my sexuality to be treated equally.

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By *oingforGrohlCouple over a year ago

Woodford

"Am straight so woudnt like that.

I'm not sure you have to be a gay/bi woman to find men playing with other men attractive.

Grohlie is straight and she loves watching two guys play.

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By *anky_PankyWoman over a year ago

Filthy Fuckeryville

"It would be frowned upon by most people, just like it is in real life.

Most people dislike homosexuality and that's okay

Most people don't like small minded bigots and that's ok

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do we now call those who dont wish to have bareback sex bigoted for not doing so? In the same way could I sit and call someone who isnt black a bigot for not wishing to have sex when I asked?

Bareback sex is a choice. Sexuality is not a choice.

People feel uncomfortable with homosexual activity for a number of reason, yes, many of them are based on prejudices but even then I dont stomp my foot and demand them be okay with what I am saying.

There are PLENTY of venues which encourage homosexual sex...saunas, mens clubs and even swingers club nights targeted toward bisexual and homosexual couples.

And swingers clubs only provide 'bisexual' nights on weeknights, which aren't practical for many people.

What you're really doing is a passive aggressive indoctrination tactic.

I disagree. I'm not trying to make anyone gay or bisexual. I'm just hoping that people will 'live and let live' in a place that is supposed to be all about sexual openness.

People will grow comfortable with homosexuality in their own time...we can most certainly legislate against those who want to discriminate against LGBT people but we cant now start demanding activities are tailored to shove the sexual behaviors of a small demographic onto everyone else.

Firstly, choosing to have sex with another man in public is INDEED a choice. Secondly, yes, a man can indeed not want to see interracial sex in a club...problem is he likely will only end up alienating himself as negative feelings towards it doesnt seem to invoke anywhere near the level of discomfort than homosexual sex does.

I mean, people can avert their eyes...but there is still a lot of general anxiety around the safety involved with gay anal sex. Your comparisons to the jim crow era and physical abuse are very false equivalences and dont apply here...entirely because both are criminal acts and, even then, I indeed cant force people to be comfortable with black people or having sex with them...hence why I dont trot to every person who writes "no blacks/asians" and demand they justify their leanings.

As said, I think this passive aggression is becoming more and more visible from the more politicized elements of the LGBT lobby. You say neither gay saunas or clubs allow women and heterosexual targeted clubs are not particularly fond of it either. Sounds to me that the market simply lacks a demand for your particular fetish/desire and you want to pass it off as a civil rights issue. Dont do that, its so incredibly entitled and post-modern. You're not discriminatd against for the fact that neither gay/bi's or heterosexual swingers want to mix the two.

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By *opsy RogersWoman over a year ago

London

I've seen plenty of sexual activities that I found deeply unattractive and simply moved on or not watched and no doubt I've been found a turn off too.

The 'eye bleach' comments are extremely offensive. Would you have said that if it were a very old/extremely obese/other vilified couple?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Waiting patiently never got shit done.

Being polite never got shit done.

I am tired of waiting for my sexuality to be treated equally."

You ever thought about getting together with a few people who feel like you do on this matter and opening your own club?

Sounds like you may have a good business idea?

Like you said talking about it wont get Jack Shit done!

So do something about it ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

You ever thought about getting together with a few people who feel like you do on this matter and opening your own club?

Sounds like you may have a good business idea?

Like you said talking about it wont get Jack Shit done!

So do something about it ?"

I don't want to run a swingers club. I wish to have a different career.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I indeed cant force people to be comfortable with black people or having sex with them...hence why I dont trot to every person who writes "no blacks/asians" and demand they justify their leanings.

I'm not asking anyone to justify anything... I'm just hoping that people don't verbally or physically attack my partner in a swingers club because he likes having sex with men.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

All this talk of segregation I think I've woken up back in time this morning. I can't believe some people think their sex lives and preferences are more superior to those of others, Gay and bi men have had to hide away their desires for years why should they have to hide away going forward with their special floors or rooms.

I'm fat and don't conform to everyone's idea of body beautiful but I don't give a second thought to that when I'm having sex in a room full of strangers why should anyone else?

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By *ommenhimCouple over a year ago

wigan

"I would give you free rein to behave as you wished with those who consented be they male or female.

Yes! Yes I would! If you could identify the attitude shift I've made please do. I also have no motivation to be politically correct!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Wow, imagine if the men having sex with men were also old and fat! That would blow some of your tiny minds.

Until the point that women having sex with each other is also banned on "straight" nights, no one really has anything to complain about if men want to have sex with men.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wow, imagine if the men having sex with men were also old and fat! That would blow some of your tiny minds.

Until the point that women having sex with each other is also banned on "straight" nights, no one really has anything to complain about if men want to have sex with men. "

Very true.

Shouldn't be ok for one sex and not another to play bi on straight nights.

That definitely needs changing.

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By *lorious hole bs16Man over a year ago

Bristol

Waiting patiently never got shit done.

Being polite never got shit done.

I am tired of waiting for my sexuality to be treated equally."

You know what,back in the day i got tired of being a criminal,same sex activity was illegal.. i got tired of hiding and got kicked out of the military(another crime)for being gay.

I got tired of being rejected from hotel rooms as a mm couple.

I became weary cos two men couldn't get a mortgage.

I got involved with the gay liberation front which tagged on to the left of the Labour party and things have now changed dramatically,however much work still needs to be carried out, but I don't think you can fast forward the progress.

I hope in time there will be no need to hide ourselves away in gay bars saunas and clubs as gradually they become obsolete..

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Wow, imagine if the men having sex with men were also old and fat! That would blow some of your tiny minds.

Until the point that women having sex with each other is also banned on "straight" nights, no one really has anything to complain about if men want to have sex with men. "

Fortunately he's athletic and ginger, so, you know, I'm not sure that anyone could ever object.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wow, imagine if the men having sex with men were also old and fat! That would blow some of your tiny minds.

Until the point that women having sex with each other is also banned on "straight" nights, no one really has anything to complain about if men want to have sex with men.

Fortunately he's athletic and ginger, so, you know, I'm not sure that anyone could ever object.

The Ginger bit may be a problem for some though?

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

Waiting patiently never got shit done.

Being polite never got shit done.

I am tired of waiting for my sexuality to be treated equally.

You know what,back in the day i got tired of being a criminal,same sex activity was illegal.. i got tired of hiding and got kicked out of the military(another crime)for being gay.

I got tired of being rejected from hotel rooms as a mm couple.

I became weary cos two men couldn't get a mortgage.

I hope in time there will be no need to hide ourselves away in gay bars saunas and clubs as gradually they become obsolete.."

We watched that film about Enigma the other day and Alan Turing. I'd forgotten he committed suicide over his sexuality. So sad what you wrote. Slow progress, it is frustrating

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Wow, imagine if the men having sex with men were also old and fat! That would blow some of your tiny minds.

Until the point that women having sex with each other is also banned on "straight" nights, no one really has anything to complain about if men want to have sex with men.

Fortunately he's athletic and ginger, so, you know, I'm not sure that anyone could ever object.

The Ginger bit may be a problem for some though?

Don't be silly. Gingers are the best.

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By *ommenhimCouple over a year ago

wigan

"It would be frowned upon by most people, just like it is in real life.

Most people dislike homosexuality and that's okay

Most people don't like small minded bigots and that's ok

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Waiting patiently never got shit done.

Being polite never got shit done.

I am tired of waiting for my sexuality to be treated equally.

You know what,back in the day i got tired of being a criminal,same sex activity was illegal.. i got tired of hiding and got kicked out of the military(another crime)for being gay.

I got tired of being rejected from hotel rooms as a mm couple.

I became weary cos two men couldn't get a mortgage.

I hope in time there will be no need to hide ourselves away in gay bars saunas and clubs as gradually they become obsolete.."

Ex military here too.

I love going to pride events around the country. Gay prides and the trans pride event 'Sparkle' in Manchester.

I love those events because being with so many accepting people lifts my spirits. I feel such huge gatherings of small minorities gives the impression we are a larger proportion of the population and perhaps a few people who see us slowly find themselves getting a little more used to our existence.

Things change and it takes time. I too believe you can't rush it. If you try it becomes confrontational. We push. They push back. It gets nasty. No progress.

There a some pretty huge numbers of people in this world who have some pretty extreme views regarding sexuality and gender mismatch. They too are marching. That, I have to say, scares me a little.

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By *vgloryholebs16TV/TS over a year ago

Bristol.

Such a good thread...made me angry made me cry but as always the good outweigh the 'less good'.

Thank you.

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

"Thanks for all the thoughts guys.

One of my partners and myself have been invited to a regular swinging club on a Saturday night (something that we generally avoid) with the express intention of the guys playing together.

Just thought I'd feel out how others felt about it.

OP there have been a range of answers from completely ok about it, through wouldn't like to see it, to homophobic. But, ultimately it what the club thinks that matters. They are a private members club and impose whatever restrictions they want, regardless of your opinion or opinion in the forum. I'd give them a call and see what they recommend , to ensure you have a fun night.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Thanks for all the thoughts guys.

One of my partners and myself have been invited to a regular swinging club on a Saturday night (something that we generally avoid) with the express intention of the guys playing together.

Just thought I'd feel out how others felt about it.

I believe that the club are happy with men playing with each other. It's peoples attitudes that are what worry me.

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By *ommenhimCouple over a year ago

wigan

"Thanks for all the thoughts guys.

One of my partners and myself have been invited to a regular swinging club on a Saturday night (something that we generally avoid) with the express intention of the guys playing together.

Just thought I'd feel out how others felt about it.

I believe that the club are happy with men playing with each other. It's peoples attitudes that are what worry me."

Do you believe that other people's attitudes also worry the club?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Thanks for all the thoughts guys.

One of my partners and myself have been invited to a regular swinging club on a Saturday night (something that we generally avoid) with the express intention of the guys playing together.

Just thought I'd feel out how others felt about it.

I believe that the club are happy with men playing with each other. It's peoples attitudes that are what worry me.

Do you believe that other people's attitudes also worry the club? "

Well, that's what perhaps we will find out.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We would have no problem with this I adore watching guys play especially mr force x

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

I believe that the club are happy with men playing with each other. It's peoples attitudes that are what worry me."

I have never seen mm play in a club, but if that club say they are happy with it, then maybe it is a more regular occurrence there? If that was the case then maybe your concern is unnecessary? I suppose a phone chat with them is in order? You need to be going there relaxed, not worrying about the club and customer attitudes.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I believe that the club are happy with men playing with each other. It's peoples attitudes that are what worry me.

We know that the club are ok with mm play. They do not have any rules against it. I do not believe it is a regular occurrence outside of their bi nights.

However, the club cannot control the attitudes of individuals.

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By *exatooCouple over a year ago

Bournemouth/ Fuerteventura

(Mrs)

I'd barge my way through to make sure I had the best seat in the house! I could watch this scene forever...

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By *andomfodCouple over a year ago

walsall

None of us are necessarily turned on by the idea of guys playing together, but we are in a stingers club. Let them carry on we don't mind at all. Probably wouldn't stay to watch more than a few seconds but that's their choice.

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By *ommenhimCouple over a year ago

wigan

I believe that the club are happy with men playing with each other. It's peoples attitudes that are what worry me.

We know that the club are ok with mm play. They do not have any rules against it. I do not believe it is a regular occurrence outside of their bi nights.

However, the club cannot control the attitudes of individuals."

The club can however control the behaviours of individuals or at least control their presence

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I believe that the club are happy with men playing with each other. It's peoples attitudes that are what worry me.

We know that the club are ok with mm play. They do not have any rules against it. I do not believe it is a regular occurrence outside of their bi nights.

However, the club cannot control the attitudes of individuals.

The club can however control the behaviours of individuals or at least control their presence "

Yes, of course. And we'll see how that goes if anything untoward happens.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I believe that the club are happy with men playing with each other. It's peoples attitudes that are what worry me."

It's not people's attitudes you need to think about. If anyone is homophobic most people will quickly turn their back on them, as would we. Prejudice is so ugly. But you have a blind spot to the possibility that, to some people, seeing the act of gay sex may be as physically revulsive as seeing scat play. We can do something about our attitudes but we can't change how we're wired.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I believe that the club are happy with men playing with each other. It's peoples attitudes that are what worry me.

Well, I am sure that if they feel physically sick at the sight then they will just take themselves elsewhere. If they instead choose to make a stand against it, we'll see how the club weigh in.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I believe that the club are happy with men playing with each other. It's peoples attitudes that are what worry me.

Well, I am sure that if they feel physically sick at the sight then they will just take themselves elsewhere. If they instead choose to make a stand against it, we'll see how the club weigh in."

As a side note, could you imagine the following being said:

"You have a blind spot to the possibility that, to some people, seeing the act of interracial sex may be as physically revulsive as seeing scat play."

or:

"You have a blind spot to the possibility that, to some people, seeing the act of lesbian sex may be as physically revulsive as seeing scat play."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I believe that the club are happy with men playing with each other. It's peoples attitudes that are what worry me.

Well, I am sure that if they feel physically sick at the sight then they will just take themselves elsewhere. If they instead choose to make a stand against it, we'll see how the club weigh in.

As a side note, could you imagine the following being said:

"You have a blind spot to the possibility that, to some people, seeing the act of interracial sex may be as physically revulsive as seeing scat play."

or:

"You have a blind spot to the possibility that, to some people, seeing the act of lesbian sex may be as physically revulsive as seeing scat play.""

You are completely right . I don't understand the double standards especially when it comes to FF play . You'd never see the sort of comments about that , that have been left on here

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

O o O oo

Some things turn people on, some things turn them off. You can't force people to say they like it or decide how they think of it...all you can do is play how you want in a club that is happy for people to play and let the club worry about anyone who behaves inappropriatly

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As a side note, could you imagine the following being said:

"You have a blind spot to the possibility that, to some people, seeing the act of interracial sex may be as physically revulsive as seeing scat play."

or:

"You have a blind spot to the possibility that, to some people, seeing the act of lesbian sex may be as physically revulsive as seeing scat play.""

I'm surprised you didn't mention Hitler or the Nazis but I guess that's coming

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"As a side note, could you imagine the following being said:

"You have a blind spot to the possibility that, to some people, seeing the act of interracial sex may be as physically revulsive as seeing scat play."

or:

"You have a blind spot to the possibility that, to some people, seeing the act of lesbian sex may be as physically revulsive as seeing scat play."

I'm surprised you didn't mention Hitler or the Nazis but I guess that's coming

I hardly think it's in the same league!

In fact, f/f play was a direct comparison to your words about m/m play!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's precisely this "YOU WILL TOLERATE EVERYTHING OR ELSE!" attitude that's destroying the political left. This itself is a form of intolerance. It's killing feminism it's killing civil rights and it's leading the vast majority, frustrated at being called bigots all the time, into the hands of people like Trump.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I believe that the club are happy with men playing with each other. It's peoples attitudes that are what worry me.

Well, I am sure that if they feel physically sick at the sight then they will just take themselves elsewhere. If they instead choose to make a stand against it, we'll see how the club weigh in.

As a side note, could you imagine the following being said:

"You have a blind spot to the possibility that, to some people, seeing the act of interracial sex may be as physically revulsive as seeing scat play."

or:

"You have a blind spot to the possibility that, to some people, seeing the act of lesbian sex may be as physically revulsive as seeing scat play."

You are completely right . I don't understand the double standards especially when it comes to FF play . You'd never see the sort of comments about that , that have been left on here "

It hasnt been left out about FF play in hetro nights in clubs etc.

Cos Ive mentioned it .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I believe that the club are happy with men playing with each other. It's peoples attitudes that are what worry me.

Ah , but this isn't true at all .

Here's why .

When we began our journey I was homophobic , and the thought of two guys together repulsed me . As did TVs , CDs , and all manner of other activities that go on in this lifestyle . Fast forward six years , and I can honestly say I am completely the opposite to how I was . I enjoy seeing two guys play , and may even be bi selfish myself ! We love meeting TVs , CDs , t girls and are happy to try anything with anyone we find attractive .

So to suggest we can't change how we are wired is simply untrue .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hubby and I play at Chams and we always seem both engage in homosexual acts lol. More the better and if you don't want to look then just keep on walking.

Never had an issue alto after one night somebody had put club review on saying that two guys sucking each off in the bar was disgusting and should be in private. Didn't say anything to us at the time tho. And they certainly didn't raise an issue with the staff because I know what staff would have said to them!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"It's precisely this "YOU WILL TOLERATE EVERYTHING OR ELSE!" attitude that's destroying the political left. This itself is a form of intolerance. It's killing feminism it's killing civil rights and it's leading the vast majority, frustrated at being called bigots all the time, into the hands of people like Trump. "

Please do tell me - exactly what is wrong about being disgruntled that people treat bisexual men poorly?

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By *inkySlinkyCouple over a year ago

Leeds

" to some people, seeing the act of gay sex may be as physically revulsive as seeing scat play "

Most people find scat play repulsive because it stinks. Gay sex doesn't.

Sally

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" to some people, seeing the act of gay sex may be as physically revulsive as seeing scat play

Most people find scat play repulsive because it stinks. Gay sex doesn't.

Sally"

So if shit smelt of roses then most people would be ok with shit play ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Honestly OP ... a huge part of me understands your point of view and ideally there would be no predjudice ... however from your responses to other posters i actually suspect you are one of these people that like to make a point and get a reaction and rather than enjoy your bi mmf in a private room or at home where you dont run the risk of these people disapproving ... and therefore will be able to enjoy it without any of the worry ... it seems like you would rather put it right in front of people almost in the hope they disapprove so you get the satisfaction of a scene, making a political point, and feeling like the victim at the expense of your fun ... being a martyr makes no sense to me i would rather just close the door and enjoy myself

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some things turn people on, some things turn them off. You can't force people to say they like it or decide how they think of it...all you can do is play how you want in a club that is happy for people to play and let the club worry about anyone who behaves inappropriatly"

well said

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How can anyone compare scat to 2 guys playing In a club??

Scat is extremely unhygienic, messy and smelly and a kink that is not very common. Certainly not something that should happen In a club.

2 guys playing is no different to 2 girls playing so I don't understand what all the bloody fuss is about.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"I don't think many straight guys would turn down two bi women "

Yep. Double standards all round!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'd react the same as for anything. If I liked I'd watch. If I didn't like it I'd walk away.

If they were clearly doing it in a way for a reaction to piss people off then that's not on.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

What does that have to do with a) the OP b) the price of cheese?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Honestly OP ... a huge part of me understands your point of view and ideally there would be no predjudice ... however from your responses to other posters i actually suspect you are one of these people that like to make a point and get a reaction and rather than enjoy your bi mmf in a private room or at home where you dont run the risk of these people disapproving ... and therefore will be able to enjoy it without any of the worry ... it seems like you would rather put it right in front of people almost in the hope they disapprove so you get the satisfaction of a scene, making a political point, and feeling like the victim at the expense of your fun ... being a martyr makes no sense to me i would rather just close the door and enjoy myself "

1. I really enjoy watching men have sex.

2. My partner enjoys playing with men.

3. My partner, myself, and the other couple are huge exhibitionists.

Therefore we are looking for a nice busy sex club at a weekend where we can indulge in what we enjoy - like anyone else at a swingers club.

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

OP just make sure you go there with the right attitude.

You have managed to engage in quite a volatile argument with a poster who has clearly said they find homophobia distasteful and that they hope most people would shun homophobes.

You have made few references to violence ensuing and untoward behaviour.

It is suposed to be a fun night for you and the other customers. Going out with the intention of making a stand against the bigots isn't going to be nice for anyone. I share your dislike of homophobia. Also if you are over zelous in it, you can alienate people who would otherwise fully support you.

MrB

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What does that have to do with a) the OP b) the price of cheese?

What do 99% of your posts have to do with the threads you post on?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What does that have to do with a) the OP b) the price of cheese?

What do 99% of your posts have to do with the threads you post on?"

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"OP just make sure you go there with the right attitude.

You have managed to engage in quite a volatile argument with a poster who has clearly said they find homophobia distasteful and that they hope most people would shun homophobes.

You have made few references to violence ensuing and untoward behaviour.

MrB"

I never go anywhere with the intention of violence. However I have had men be violent to me because I was with a girl and turned them down. And many of my gay friends have had violence towards them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"OP just make sure you go there with the right attitude.

You have managed to engage in quite a volatile argument with a poster who has clearly said they find homophobia distasteful and that they hope most people would shun homophobes.

You have made few references to violence ensuing and untoward behaviour.

MrB"

I think you made my point more articulately

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

1. I really enjoy watching men have sex.

2. My partner enjoys playing with men.

3. My partner, myself, and the other couple are huge exhibitionists.

Therefore we are looking for a nice busy sex club at a weekend where we can indulge in what we enjoy - like anyone else at a swingers club."

Yes but i believe other couples are more of the understanding that you don't always get or need a conbination of everything you like all at once and thats ok

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By *unandbuckCouple over a year ago

Sheffield

I never go anywhere with the intention of violence. However I have had men be violent to me because I was with a girl and turned them down. And many of my gay friends have had violence towards them."

I didn't mean you were going there with that intention. I was meaning imagining that an violent situation would arise.

You are going to a club for fun, not to a poltical demo, the intention is to have fun in a relaxed environment, where everyone present can enjoy themselves.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How many people and be honest wouldn't bat an eye at 1,girl on girl

2,girl edging guy so why get defensive about 2 guys pleasuring each other if you enjoy 1 and 2 but object to 2 guys playing with each other then your a hypocrite

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

1. I really enjoy watching men have sex.

2. My partner enjoys playing with men.

3. My partner, myself, and the other couple are huge exhibitionists.

Therefore we are looking for a nice busy sex club at a weekend where we can indulge in what we enjoy - like anyone else at a swingers club.

Yes but i believe other couples are more of the understanding that you don't always get or need a conbination of everything you like all at once and thats ok "

Which is why I'm sussing out peoples attitudes.

And working out if I think it's worth challenging the negative ones. (BEcause you wouldn't tell a ff couple that they couldn't play in public on a weekend at a swingers club).

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I never go anywhere with the intention of violence. However I have had men be violent to me because I was with a girl and turned them down. And many of my gay friends have had violence towards them."

Your original post although phrased as a question was poised for the defensive stance you bring from the off

You anticipated peoples reaction in advance in the same way you are doing with what you expect might happen at the club

That strong defensive stance can appear aggressive and while it doesn't make it right for people to be aggressive towards you it night be what provokes it

Like rugby mfm said ... if the club allows it then go along and do whatever you want where ever you want ... stop anticipating negativity in advance and let the club deal with any that might arise in the way that the see appropriate

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I never go anywhere with the intention of violence. However I have had men be violent to me because I was with a girl and turned them down. And many of my gay friends have had violence towards them.

I didn't mean you were going there with that intention. I was meaning imagining that an violent situation would arise.

You are going to a club for fun, not to a poltical demo, the intention is to have fun in a relaxed environment, where everyone present can enjoy themselves."

Unfortunately it's not me that is turning bisexuality into a 'political demo', it's the people saying they'd need eyebleach.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I never go anywhere with the intention of violence. However I have had men be violent to me because I was with a girl and turned them down. And many of my gay friends have had violence towards them.

Your original post although phrased as a question was poised for the defensive stance you bring from the off

You anticipated peoples reaction in advance in the same way you are doing with what you expect might happen at the club

That strong defensive stance can appear aggressive and while it doesn't make it right for people to be aggressive towards you it night be what provokes it

Unfortunately I just write in a confident way, and people see that as a negative thing.

However I'm just trying to guage the attitudes of other people, and see if it's somehting I want to do in public or not.

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By *ommenhimCouple over a year ago

wigan

1. I really enjoy watching men have sex.

2. My partner enjoys playing with men.

3. My partner, myself, and the other couple are huge exhibitionists.

Therefore we are looking for a nice busy sex club at a weekend where we can indulge in what we enjoy - like anyone else at a swingers club.

Yes but i believe other couples are more of the understanding that you don't always get or need a conbination of everything you like all at once and thats ok "

But should the opportunity present itself do you believe others views toward it happening should affect the OP and her party?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I believe that the club are happy with men playing with each other. It's peoples attitudes that are what worry me.

Well, I am sure that if they feel physically sick at the sight then they will just take themselves elsewhere. If they instead choose to make a stand against it, we'll see how the club weigh in.

As a side note, could you imagine the following being said:

"You have a blind spot to the possibility that, to some people, seeing the act of interracial sex may be as physically revulsive as seeing scat play."

or:

"You have a blind spot to the possibility that, to some people, seeing the act of lesbian sex may be as physically revulsive as seeing scat play."

You are completely right . I don't understand the double standards especially when it comes to FF play . You'd never see the sort of comments about that , that have been left on here

It hasnt been left out about FF play in hetro nights in clubs etc.

Cos Ive mentioned it ."

You wouldn't see - I'd bleach my eyes comments though would you?

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

What does that have to do with a) the OP b) the price of cheese?

What do 99% of your posts have to do with the threads you post on?"

Are you a rabbi?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Unfortunately I just write in a confident way, and people see that as a negative thing.

However I'm just trying to guage the attitudes of other people, and see if it's somehting I want to do in public or not."

I think that completely contradicts the conversation you had with super freak

Gauging attitudes and sparking a debate are 2 different things as are respindkng confidently and responding argumentatively with people who have opposing views

I would like to say out though that i would have no problem with 2 guys playing and would probably quite like to watch it ... my point is not that it shouldnt be allowed

My point is more that the stance you are approaching it from appears more political than just wanting to head along and have some fun and thats where the recipe for disaster lies

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

1. I really enjoy watching men have sex.

2. My partner enjoys playing with men.

3. My partner, myself, and the other couple are huge exhibitionists.

Therefore we are looking for a nice busy sex club at a weekend where we can indulge in what we enjoy - like anyone else at a swingers club.

Yes but i believe other couples are more of the understanding that you don't always get or need a conbination of everything you like all at once and thats ok

But should the opportunity present itself do you believe others views toward it happening should affect the OP and her party? "

As long as its within the rules of the club there shouldnt be a problem but again i feel its more about the right to flaunt it than the want to flaunt it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Some clubs are more open to man on man sex. Some won't even allow tv's in their club. I think choosing the type of club and assessing the atmosphere would be wise.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

1. I really enjoy watching men have sex.

2. My partner enjoys playing with men.

3. My partner, myself, and the other couple are huge exhibitionists.

Therefore we are looking for a nice busy sex club at a weekend where we can indulge in what we enjoy - like anyone else at a swingers club.

Yes but i believe other couples are more of the understanding that you don't always get or need a conbination of everything you like all at once and thats ok

But should the opportunity present itself do you believe others views toward it happening should affect the OP and her party?

As long as its within the rules of the club there shouldnt be a problem but again i feel its more about the right to flaunt it than the want to flaunt it

I don't understand.

If the club allows it, is it still 'flaunting' it to play in public?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's about attitudes we like to think we're a tolerant society but some of us are more tolerant than others and that's the truth

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By *ilvercharmCouple over a year ago

Our gate

"I'd watch for a while then ask if i can join in

Nobody bats an eye lid at two women playing in club's on a none bi night so why do so many make such a fuss over two guys

Ditto I'd be right behind you, would make me very horny

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Unfortunately I just write in a confident way, and people see that as a negative thing.

However I'm just trying to guage the attitudes of other people, and see if it's somehting I want to do in public or not.

I think that completely contradicts the conversation you had with super freak

Gauging attitudes and sparking a debate are 2 different things as are respindkng confidently and responding argumentatively with people who have opposing views

I would like to say out though that i would have no problem with 2 guys playing and would probably quite like to watch it ... my point is not that it shouldnt be allowed

My point is more that the stance you are approaching it from appears more political than just wanting to head along and have some fun and thats where the recipe for disaster lies "

Do you think the OP's posts come across as more revolutionary and rebellious then?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

1. I really enjoy watching men have sex.

2. My partner enjoys playing with men.

3. My partner, myself, and the other couple are huge exhibitionists.

Therefore we are looking for a nice busy sex club at a weekend where we can indulge in what we enjoy - like anyone else at a swingers club.

Yes but i believe other couples are more of the understanding that you don't always get or need a conbination of everything you like all at once and thats ok

But should the opportunity present itself do you believe others views toward it happening should affect the OP and her party?

As long as its within the rules of the club there shouldnt be a problem but again i feel its more about the right to flaunt it than the want to flaunt it

I don't understand.

If the club allows it, is it still 'flaunting' it to play in public?"

Definition of flaunt-

display (something) ostentatiously, especially in order to provoke envy or admiration or to show defiance.

synonyms: show off, display ostentatiously, draw attention to, make a (great) show of, put on show, put on display, parade, exhibit;

So yes ...wether that be straight, bi, solo, group play whatever ... if you do it openly in front of people in the hope they will watch and either enjoy or not ... then that is flaunting ... perhaps you prefer the synonym exhibitionism which you already were happy to admit to enjoying?

Again my point of being overly defensive ... you took a negative connotation to the word flaunt

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Unfortunately I just write in a confident way, and people see that as a negative thing.

However I'm just trying to guage the attitudes of other people, and see if it's somehting I want to do in public or not.

I think that completely contradicts the conversation you had with super freak

Gauging attitudes and sparking a debate are 2 different things as are respindkng confidently and responding argumentatively with people who have opposing views

I would like to say out though that i would have no problem with 2 guys playing and would probably quite like to watch it ... my point is not that it shouldnt be allowed

My point is more that the stance you are approaching it from appears more political than just wanting to head along and have some fun and thats where the recipe for disaster lies

Do you think the OP's posts come across as more revolutionary and rebellious then?"

no,dont see anything 'revolutionary' at all...why not do what you want to do,check with the club if it's ok with them, then if you encounter a problem,deal with it via the club management..don't see any point in deliberately trying to provoke a reaction,where,actually, on this thread ,there has been very little negativity to your question!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

1. I really enjoy watching men have sex.

2. My partner enjoys playing with men.

3. My partner, myself, and the other couple are huge exhibitionists.

Therefore we are looking for a nice busy sex club at a weekend where we can indulge in what we enjoy - like anyone else at a swingers club.

Yes but i believe other couples are more of the understanding that you don't always get or need a conbination of everything you like all at once and thats ok

But should the opportunity present itself do you believe others views toward it happening should affect the OP and her party?

As long as its within the rules of the club there shouldnt be a problem but again i feel its more about the right to flaunt it than the want to flaunt it

I don't understand.

If the club allows it, is it still 'flaunting' it to play in public?

Definition of flaunt-

display (something) ostentatiously, especially in order to provoke envy or admiration or to show defiance.

synonyms: show off, display ostentatiously, draw attention to, make a (great) show of, put on show, put on display, parade, exhibit;

Again my point of being overly defensive ... you took a negative connotation to the word flaunt

I'm just unsure if you're saying that 'flaunting' is a good or a bad thing, and if gay flaunting is different to straight flaunting.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Do you think the OP's posts come across as more revolutionary and rebellious then?

I am trying to guage peoples attitudes to see if I will enjoy the night. A misplaced comment on the night would not be good for my enjoyment.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Do you think the OP's posts come across as more revolutionary and rebellious then?"

Exactly this and think you have to choose your battles sensibly ... like someone said we are discussing going to a club for fun ... not going to a political demonstration

Why rebel against a club or a community that already accepts way more of you than "general society" for want of a better term ... why not just enjoy the extended boundaries that club and community already affords you without the need to push it and isolate yourself

And before anyone says it ... if the club allows it then there is no rebellion against the club and really there is no need for it to even be a discussion point because if reputable and valued their customers they would deal with anyone who caused an issue with the 2 guys playing

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As long as its within the rules of the club there shouldnt be a problem but again i feel its more about the right to flaunt it than the want to flaunt it

I don't understand.

If the club allows it, is it still 'flaunting' it to play in public?

Definition of flaunt-

display (something) ostentatiously, especially in order to provoke envy or admiration or to show defiance.

synonyms: show off, display ostentatiously, draw attention to, make a (great) show of, put on show, put on display, parade, exhibit;

Again my point of being overly defensive ... you took a negative connotation to the word flaunt

I'm just unsure if you're saying that 'flaunting' is a good or a bad thing, and if gay flaunting is different to straight flaunting."

I believe my post you just quoted quite clearly shows i think its the same wether gay , straight , solo or group and explained i think its a verb ... i attached neither positive or negative connotations to it ... i dont think its a good or bad thing ... its an activity people will take part in if its their thing so please stop trying to infer an opinion into my choice of word

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Do you think the OP's posts come across as more revolutionary and rebellious then?

Exactly this and think you have to choose your battles sensibly ... like someone said we are discussing going to a club for fun ... not going to a political demonstration

I'm just trying to work out the general attitudes of clubgoers. I think that's acceptable.

And although a club might allow certain behaviour, doesn't mean they'll throw out those that object.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

As long as its within the rules of the club there shouldnt be a problem but again i feel its more about the right to flaunt it than the want to flaunt it

I don't understand.

If the club allows it, is it still 'flaunting' it to play in public?

Definition of flaunt-

display (something) ostentatiously, especially in order to provoke envy or admiration or to show defiance.

synonyms: show off, display ostentatiously, draw attention to, make a (great) show of, put on show, put on display, parade, exhibit;

Again my point of being overly defensive ... you took a negative connotation to the word flaunt

I'm just unsure if you're saying that 'flaunting' is a good or a bad thing, and if gay flaunting is different to straight flaunting.

Sorry, then I don't understand the point you were making about flaunting.

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By *onny MCMan over a year ago

Crawley

So, was last night the night in question? Did you go and did you all have fun?

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