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"So who hear is polyamorous? " Me! | |||
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"Not looking for but something I'd definitely be open to....I'd also like a pet unicorn and a pot of gold please " Ay up (he says in a pathetic attempt at a Yorkshire accent) We haven't got a unicorn or any gold but we've got a pet and a pot | |||
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"So who hear is polyamorous? Or intrested in the idea? We both are Though currently only with eachother " I don’t think fully poly, but we would like to find people that we could play with regularly and see socially. As we play together and separate, I guess that could move towards a poly relationship. We’ve yet to find such a couple that is local enough to us to play regularly like that though. | |||
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"We are. Currently C is dating a lovely lady and I have a triad relationship with another couple. It works very well for us " Good to hear it works | |||
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"we are! " | |||
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"Not looking for but something I'd definitely be open to....I'd also like a pet unicorn and a pot of gold please " Are unicorns Wild or a petting Zoo anima ? Dragons sleep on gold ? X | |||
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"I have been intrigued by the idea for a number of years as I believe it is perfectly natural to love more than one person at a time. Indeed, probably more healthy too. Interesting , The Appetite Grows inevitably I have attended workshops attended by a number of poly couples and singles but never actually practised it while part of a couple (when single, I had several regular lovers, so that maybe partly counts). My wife and I are open to the idea of meeting others for more than just pure sex (I would love her to find a regular girlfriend), but both of us wonder where we would find the time in our lives for someone else as we can't get enough of one another because of our working lives!" | |||
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"Totally interested in this. I posted a thread a while back and some really helpful info was posted. The search still goes on tho. " Wonder how long it'll be before human cloning is perfected? ;-) S | |||
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"I have multiple partners. " Show off | |||
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"So who hear is polyamorous? Or intrested in the idea? We both are Though currently only with eachother I don’t think fully poly, but we would like to find people that we could play with regularly and see socially. As we play together and separate, I guess that could move towards a poly relationship. We’ve yet to find such a couple that is local enough to us to play regularly like that though." Exactly what we want | |||
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"So who hear is polyamorous? Or intrested in the idea? We both are Though currently only with eachother " Ive always been polyamorous. | |||
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"Just another made up word for people who want to date/fuck other people while in a relationship. " And your point is? | |||
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"The reason we joined here was because we almost had it with a work friend of H's. Got as far as the hanging bit, laughs in the evenings, second base with the playing, almost third on occasions. Nights in, nights out, dog walking, taking the kids to the park. Not a lot we didn't do together really apart from the deed. Her "Let's have an open relationship" boyfriend curtailed it though as basically he wasn't part of it and his other play friend had given him the heave ho. Arsehole of the highest order We would love similar but to have that again they really do need to be within ten miles in my opinion so you can support each other. S" | |||
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"Just another made up word for people who want to date/fuck other people while in a relationship. " No more than monogamy is just a made up word for people who only want to fuck the same person. | |||
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"Just another made up word for people who want to date/fuck other people while in a relationship. No more than monogamy is just a made up word for people who only want to fuck the same person." | |||
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"Just another made up word for people who want to date/fuck other people while in a relationship. No more than monogamy is just a made up word for people who only want to fuck the same person." | |||
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"Just another made up word for people who want to date/fuck other people while in a relationship. " This might not be the site for you with attitudes like that. | |||
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"Just another made up word for people who want to date/fuck other people while in a relationship. No more than monogamy is just a made up word for people who only want to fuck the same person." this is a brilliant come back, what a complete dickish comment | |||
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"Problem is that so few people on here are looking for good company as well as sex...it's kind of depressing " This. | |||
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"Just another made up word for people who want to date/fuck other people while in a relationship. No more than monogamy is just a made up word for people who only want to fuck the same person." | |||
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"Just another made up word for people who want to date/fuck other people while in a relationship. No more than monogamy is just a made up word for people who only want to fuck the same person." | |||
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"I'd never get my head around it. Life is full of decisions and priorities. When those priorities clash would worry me too much." I rarely find that mine do. In the last five years or so, I've only had two or three clashes that I can remember. | |||
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"the thing with Poly is there is 2 sides to it, actually no that's a lie, theres many more! But on a serious note, where it can be extremely rewarding, exciting and fun. It can also be very hard work for everyone involved. To make it really work you need a lot of empathy for one another which can be difficult, not to mention frustrating because it doesn't matter how close you all are, you will always have a different challenges. For us it's been a rocky road of amazing highs, and also some lows. I guess it's one of them things when it works, it's fantastic, but just be careful and have fun! " Our snall amount of experience has been much more good than bad So somthing to get back in time | |||
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"I'm poly. One of my partners is poly. Another is monogamous with me. We also play with others (bdsm) in a non sexual capacity. It's not for everyone." I need to find a poly friend to be monogamous with while she see's as many guys as she wants... | |||
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"So who hear is polyamorous? Or intrested in the idea? We both are Though currently only with eachother " I am it works well for me as long as everything is honest and in the open. I am on the dark side as well it's fun as I have partners from swinging and fet. Love this life and there's room for more | |||
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"So who hear is polyamorous? Or intrested in the idea? We both are Though currently only with eachother " dr3am scenario for me | |||
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"I'm one of the miserable buggers, if you love someone? How the hell? That cock is my cock, etc etc. " I would never be so bold as to 'own' another human being. Their cock is not my cock. It is their cock. And they can do with it as they please. As for 'if you love someone'... if you had two children, would you only love one of them? If you had two parents, would you only love one of them? If you have two best friends, would you only love one of them? So why do people continue to believe that we are only capable of loving one sex partner? Some people may prefer that - and that is absolutely their prerogative. But humans are capable of loving more than one person at a time. If they want to. | |||
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"I'm one of the miserable buggers, if you love someone? How the hell? That cock is my cock, etc etc. I would never be so bold as to 'own' another human being. Their cock is not my cock. It is their cock. And they can do with it as they please. As for 'if you love someone'... if you had two children, would you only love one of them? If you had two parents, would you only love one of them? If you have two best friends, would you only love one of them? So why do people continue to believe that we are only capable of loving one sex partner? Some people may prefer that - and that is absolutely their prerogative. But humans are capable of loving more than one person at a time. If they want to." I see you point and agree to a point... There is a difficulty with your analogy though as the the love referred to is very different between lovers and between friends and offspring. The 'type' of love does have a bearing on expectations and commitments that we have on others and that they in turn have on us. I think the understanding of love is crucial to this. Just on a side note too.... We all recieve and give love in different ways...a love language....and as a result it's easy to misunderstand love messages from others. We all need to know what our love language is AND that of the recipient or the communication of it is misunderstood. | |||
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"For me i can have multiple partners who also have multiple partners but while i may love them as a friend and care deeply for them it's not the same as when I've been in love with somone. I dont know if i could be in a proper relationship that was open. But who knows where the wind will take us" Well defined and understood ing in the difference. Most on here would be where you are. | |||
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" I see you point and agree to a point... There is a difficulty with your analogy though as the the love referred to is very different between lovers and between friends and offspring. The 'type' of love does have a bearing on expectations and commitments that we have on others and that they in turn have on us. I think the understanding of love is crucial to this. Just on a side note too.... We all recieve and give love in different ways...a love language....and as a result it's easy to misunderstand love messages from others. We all need to know what our love language is AND that of the recipient or the communication of it is misunderstood. " So why does love between two lovers have to be exclusive then? What makes the love between two lovers (or... people who have sex) so much more exclusive than between two friends? But then - your other point 'expectations and commitments'... I don't have expectations or commitments from any of my partners. Nor my friends, or my parents. So perhaps that's a fundamental difference between myself and you? | |||
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" I see you point and agree to a point... There is a difficulty with your analogy though as the the love referred to is very different between lovers and between friends and offspring. The 'type' of love does have a bearing on expectations and commitments that we have on others and that they in turn have on us. I think the understanding of love is crucial to this. Just on a side note too.... We all recieve and give love in different ways...a love language....and as a result it's easy to misunderstand love messages from others. We all need to know what our love language is AND that of the recipient or the communication of it is misunderstood. So why does love between two lovers have to be exclusive then? What makes the love between two lovers (or... people who have sex) so much more exclusive than between two friends? But then - your other point 'expectations and commitments'... I don't have expectations or commitments from any of my partners. Nor my friends, or my parents. So perhaps that's a fundamental difference between myself and you?" Point 2. Nobody is pure and therefore nobody can say they have and expect no conditions. I also find it unbelievable that you can say that your friends etc have no expectations. We all have and place expectations on everyone we interact with. Some consciously some unconsciously. To think you have and place no expectations means you're perfect, dead or do not interact with anyone which I don't think is the case. Point 1. I didn't say it was exclusive at all.....i said it was a different kind of love....different kinds of love have different properties to them.... love between lovers is a different type of love that is between parents to children or between brother and sister and yes the expectations are also different. | |||
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" Point 2. Nobody is pure and therefore nobody can say they have and expect no conditions. I also find it unbelievable that you can say that your friends etc have no expectations. We all have and place expectations on everyone we interact with. Some consciously some unconsciously. To think you have and place no expectations means you're perfect, dead or do not interact with anyone which I don't think is the case. Point 1. I didn't say it was exclusive at all.....i said it was a different kind of love....different kinds of love have different properties to them.... love between lovers is a different type of love that is between parents to children or between brother and sister and yes the expectations are also different. " I have no expectations or commitments for my friends or lovers. I am not perfect, or pure. I just decided to live in a way that doesn't place expectations on others. What expectations do you place on others? | |||
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" Point 2. Nobody is pure and therefore nobody can say they have and expect no conditions. I also find it unbelievable that you can say that your friends etc have no expectations. We all have and place expectations on everyone we interact with. Some consciously some unconsciously. To think you have and place no expectations means you're perfect, dead or do not interact with anyone which I don't think is the case. Point 1. I didn't say it was exclusive at all.....i said it was a different kind of love....different kinds of love have different properties to them.... love between lovers is a different type of love that is between parents to children or between brother and sister and yes the expectations are also different. I have no expectations or commitments for my friends or lovers. I am not perfect, or pure. I just decided to live in a way that doesn't place expectations on others. What expectations do you place on others?" I think we may have some cross communication here. It's difficult enough subject to discuss face to face...but online even more so. We can love unconditionally. But that is different from saying we have no expectations..... does that make sense? I've a few friends that I love unconditionally.... a couple soul mates whom have moved on in their love....but I'll always love them irrespective. One I've met a few times since and it's hard (that's my expectations) but gets easier. To say as you did that the others have no expectations is rather impossible to say though. | |||
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" I see you point and agree to a point... There is a difficulty with your analogy though as the the love referred to is very different between lovers and between friends and offspring. The 'type' of love does have a bearing on expectations and commitments that we have on others and that they in turn have on us. I think the understanding of love is crucial to this. Just on a side note too.... We all recieve and give love in different ways...a love language....and as a result it's easy to misunderstand love messages from others. We all need to know what our love language is AND that of the recipient or the communication of it is misunderstood. So why does love between two lovers have to be exclusive then? What makes the love between two lovers (or... people who have sex) so much more exclusive than between two friends? But then - your other point 'expectations and commitments'... I don't have expectations or commitments from any of my partners. Nor my friends, or my parents. So perhaps that's a fundamental difference between myself and you?" Oxcytocin? | |||
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" Point 2. Nobody is pure and therefore nobody can say they have and expect no conditions. I also find it unbelievable that you can say that your friends etc have no expectations. We all have and place expectations on everyone we interact with. Some consciously some unconsciously. To think you have and place no expectations means you're perfect, dead or do not interact with anyone which I don't think is the case. Point 1. I didn't say it was exclusive at all.....i said it was a different kind of love....different kinds of love have different properties to them.... love between lovers is a different type of love that is between parents to children or between brother and sister and yes the expectations are also different. I have no expectations or commitments for my friends or lovers. I am not perfect, or pure. I just decided to live in a way that doesn't place expectations on others. What expectations do you place on others?" You've repetedly said you have the expectation they be honest with you. That is seemingly the biggest expectation in a relationship | |||
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" Point 2. Nobody is pure and therefore nobody can say they have and expect no conditions. I also find it unbelievable that you can say that your friends etc have no expectations. We all have and place expectations on everyone we interact with. Some consciously some unconsciously. To think you have and place no expectations means you're perfect, dead or do not interact with anyone which I don't think is the case. Point 1. I didn't say it was exclusive at all.....i said it was a different kind of love....different kinds of love have different properties to them.... love between lovers is a different type of love that is between parents to children or between brother and sister and yes the expectations are also different. I have no expectations or commitments for my friends or lovers. I am not perfect, or pure. I just decided to live in a way that doesn't place expectations on others. What expectations do you place on others?" The very fact you have a profile with dos and donts shows you have expectations. You have expectations and conditions you've placed upon anyone wishing to contact you...or the reasons you state for going to fetish clubs are expectations. Those are just two points of many from reading your profile. It would seem that rather than being contradictory we are talking about different things when we say we have or have no expectations. | |||
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" You've repetedly said you have the expectation they be honest with you. That is seemingly the biggest expectation in a relationship " Ok, I guess that's the one I have. I expect my friends and lovers (who are really, just my friends) to be honest with me. If they're not honest with me then we have a fundamental problem. I don't know if I even 'expect' that to be honest. I pick my friends because I think that they will be honest with me. I don't hold them to any expectation of that. | |||
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" The very fact you have a profile with dos and donts shows you have expectations. You have expectations and conditions you've placed upon anyone wishing to contact you...or the reasons you state for going to fetish clubs are expectations. Those are just two points of many from reading your profile. It would seem that rather than being contradictory we are talking about different things when we say we have or have no expectations. " I think that we are not referring to the same thing as 'expectation'. Sure, I expect anyone who contacts me to have read my profile, but once we have got past the initial messaging stage I expect nothing else of them. I don't expect anything from my partners, my lovers, or my friends. I don't have any commitments with any of them. I hope that they will be honest. I hope that they will be good people. But I have no expectation of anything to do with sex or romance. I live a very non-traditional lifestyle, very different to many other people. | |||
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"Just another made up word for people who want to date/fuck other people while in a relationship. No more than monogamy is just a made up word for people who only want to fuck the same person. this is a brilliant come back, what a complete dickish comment " | |||
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"In my experience of these threads I've come to realise that polyamory is a very broad church. Not only are there a huge variety of set ups between people, but there's also variety in how people look at it. For example, some approach polyamory because they are very loving people in life and would like to expand on that, being allowed to love who they want. However, some people are very preoccupied with being free and single and actually don't have much of a loving approach, indeed they may even be cynical about if love even exists. To these people polyamory offers a way to have a series of fulfilling friendships with benefits without feeling pressured to have to "love" or commit to any of them. As such, you shouldn't assume that when you're talking to someone about polyamory you're talking about extra love and commitment. You may actually be talking with someone who's using polyamory precisely as a vehicle to evade these things. " Back to conditions and expectations. We all have them even if we don't think we do. And most certainly cannot say others don't either. Are we human.... | |||
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"In my experience of these threads I've come to realise that polyamory is a very broad church. Not only are there a huge variety of set ups between people, but there's also variety in how people look at it. For example, some approach polyamory because they are very loving people in life and would like to expand on that, being allowed to love who they want. However, some people are very preoccupied with being free and single and actually don't have much of a loving approach, indeed they may even be cynical about if love even exists. To these people polyamory offers a way to have a series of fulfilling friendships with benefits without feeling pressured to have to "love" or commit to any of them. As such, you shouldn't assume that when you're talking to someone about polyamory you're talking about extra love and commitment. You may actually be talking with someone who's using polyamory precisely as a vehicle to evade these things. " And some people are a combination of both of those things. Very 'loving' with much affection to give to multiple people, but without believing that you can only have 'one true love'. There are many different paths. Because everyone and every partnership is different. | |||
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"In my experience of these threads I've come to realise that polyamory is a very broad church. Not only are there a huge variety of set ups between people, but there's also variety in how people look at it. For example, some approach polyamory because they are very loving people in life and would like to expand on that, being allowed to love who they want. However, some people are very preoccupied with being free and single and actually don't have much of a loving approach, indeed they may even be cynical about if love even exists. To these people polyamory offers a way to have a series of fulfilling friendships with benefits without feeling pressured to have to "love" or commit to any of them. As such, you shouldn't assume that when you're talking to someone about polyamory you're talking about extra love and commitment. You may actually be talking with someone who's using polyamory precisely as a vehicle to evade these things. " Very well put. That's what I was trying to say in my first response | |||
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" Back to conditions and expectations. We all have them even if we don't think we do. And most certainly cannot say others don't either. Are we human.... " Are all humans the same? | |||
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"It's certainly easy to be in love with several people at the same time - not so easy to be adult about it. " ^^ Basically this! | |||
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"The concept of it really appeals to me but I'm not sure how it would work in practice. " What aren't you sure about? It's just like having more than one friend. | |||
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"The concept of it really appeals to me but I'm not sure how it would work in practice. What aren't you sure about? It's just like having more than one friend." for you maybe, for us it is completely different to friendship. It is a lot more intense. Don't get me wrong, friendship plays a part, but for us poly goes much beyond the feeling of a close friendship | |||
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" Back to conditions and expectations. We all have them even if we don't think we do. And most certainly cannot say others don't either. Are we human.... Are all humans the same? " Indeed were not and part of the point i was trying to make on expectations and conditions that we place etc. It'stherefore pretty well impossible to assume others don't have them even if we say we don't. We can only really say about ourselves. ...We can't even assume that though we don't place expectations or conditions on other that they in turn don't read expectations from us. It's the way we see and view others that can have the expectations and conditions formed in our minds. | |||
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"The concept of it really appeals to me but I'm not sure how it would work in practice. What aren't you sure about? It's just like having more than one friend. for you maybe, for us it is completely different to friendship. It is a lot more intense. Don't get me wrong, friendship plays a part, but for us poly goes much beyond the feeling of a close friendship " Love most certainly does. | |||
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"I'd message, but as is usually the case, us 'orrible single manthinga are blocked " But of course... we wouldn't want to catch the dreaded single manthinga disease | |||
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"The concept of it really appeals to me but I'm not sure how it would work in practice. What aren't you sure about? It's just like having more than one friend. for you maybe, for us it is completely different to friendship. It is a lot more intense. Don't get me wrong, friendship plays a part, but for us poly goes much beyond the feeling of a close friendship " I was referring to 'how it would work in practice'. It works like a friendship. You care for them, you hang out with them, you do things together. | |||
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" Back to conditions and expectations. We all have them even if we don't think we do. And most certainly cannot say others don't either. Are we human.... Are all humans the same? Indeed were not and part of the point i was trying to make on expectations and conditions that we place etc. It'stherefore pretty well impossible to assume others don't have them even if we say we don't. We can only really say about ourselves. ...We can't even assume that though we don't place expectations or conditions on other that they in turn don't read expectations from us. It's the way we see and view others that can have the expectations and conditions formed in our minds." Communication is everything. I prioritise communication in my partnerships and so I understand how my partners feel with regards to expectations on conditions. I only form intimate partnerships with those who feel the same way as myself. | |||
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"So who hear is polyamorous? Or intrested in the idea? We both are Though currently only with eachother " ======================================= I'm polyamorous and have been all my life. Probably explains why I am single But on the plus side, polyamorous individuals are generally independent and adventurous and very highly sexed with few hang ups about MMF and 121. If polyamory suits you and you are in a strong non-judgemental relationship, you should give it a go. You'll never look back. I find Fab (in the past 5 weeks) to have more polyamorous singles than couples. C'est la vie xxx, Mike | |||
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"The concept of it really appeals to me but I'm not sure how it would work in practice. What aren't you sure about? It's just like having more than one friend. for you maybe, for us it is completely different to friendship. It is a lot more intense. Don't get me wrong, friendship plays a part, but for us poly goes much beyond the feeling of a close friendship " Exactly. | |||
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"I'm poly and very happy in a triad relationship " What, like the Chinese mafia? | |||
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"I'm poly and very happy in a triad relationship What, like the Chinese mafia? " A triad poly relationship is a relationship between 3 people with us it's 1 male 2 females together | |||
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"This is what I want ideally, though a closed MMF triad " | |||
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"Would love to be in a poly relationship. But come from a super conservative family so don't think it's fair or would work out if I kept them a secret " Lots of people wouldn't enter into a relationship with someone who keeps their lifestyle a secret. Certainly on being told that I have to pretend not to be someones partner if we're seen by one of their friends, I immediately say 'no thanks', I'm not into being a dirty little secret. | |||
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"Would love to be in a poly relationship. But come from a super conservative family so don't think it's fair or would work out if I kept them a secret Lots of people wouldn't enter into a relationship with someone who keeps their lifestyle a secret. Certainly on being told that I have to pretend not to be someones partner if we're seen by one of their friends, I immediately say 'no thanks', I'm not into being a dirty little secret." It's about loving someone as you said earlier to, but truly loving someone deeply...Being in love with more than one person. Reading through some posts above I think there seems to be some confusion about that. Some think that being polyamorous is having a few fuck buddies.... That's not loving someone even if you only have a couple regulars it still doesn't necessarily mean you're polyamorous. | |||
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"Would love to be in a poly relationship. But come from a super conservative family so don't think it's fair or would work out if I kept them a secret Lots of people wouldn't enter into a relationship with someone who keeps their lifestyle a secret. Certainly on being told that I have to pretend not to be someones partner if we're seen by one of their friends, I immediately say 'no thanks', I'm not into being a dirty little secret. It's about loving someone as you said earlier to, but truly loving someone deeply...Being in love with more than one person. Reading through some posts above I think there seems to be some confusion about that. Some think that being polyamorous is having a few fuck buddies.... That's not loving someone even if you only have a couple regulars it still doesn't necessarily mean you're polyamorous. " *With the knowledge and consent of all parties concerned. | |||
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"Would love to be in a poly relationship. But come from a super conservative family so don't think it's fair or would work out if I kept them a secret Lots of people wouldn't enter into a relationship with someone who keeps their lifestyle a secret. Certainly on being told that I have to pretend not to be someones partner if we're seen by one of their friends, I immediately say 'no thanks', I'm not into being a dirty little secret. It's about loving someone as you said earlier to, but truly loving someone deeply...Being in love with more than one person. Reading through some posts above I think there seems to be some confusion about that. Some think that being polyamorous is having a few fuck buddies.... That's not loving someone even if you only have a couple regulars it still doesn't necessarily mean you're polyamorous. " Are you talking about my posts? | |||
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"This love you polys talk about sounds really diluted " Why? I feel as strongly about my partners as any of my monogamous friends feel about theirs. | |||
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"This love you polys talk about sounds really diluted Why? I feel as strongly about my partners as any of my monogamous friends feel about theirs." I'm not saying people can't love more than 1 person. But I think you can only be inlove with one And that's what makes it special | |||
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"This love you polys talk about sounds really diluted Why? I feel as strongly about my partners as any of my monogamous friends feel about theirs. I'm not saying people can't love more than 1 person. But I think you can only be inlove with one And that's what makes it special" Why? My relationships are very special. As special as a monogamous relationship. I don't see why you would force yourself to only be with one person if you like two people that much. | |||
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"Isn't most of what people are describing here just swinging, being single or more open relationships? I'd define poly-amorous being more boundaryless relationships with no clear roles as man, wife, bf, gf? Most of the above - people still seem to have their regular partners but simply share (not heckling a thread)." There are lots of different types of poly relationships. So for example - that 'boundaryless' style of relationship is usually called 'relationship anarchy' (it has a manifesto and everything) and is proberbly the most liberal form of poly. Then there are polyamorous peoples with primary partners, who have meaningful relationships with others (either together or apart). Usually you see words like 'secondaries' and 'tertiaries' to describe how far out the additional relationships are from the nucleus couple. (Secondaries are normally VIP's in their lives, tertiaries would be more like a fuck buddy). And then there are closed polyamorous relationships. For example, a closed triad where nobody is playing/seeing anyone outside of that three. | |||
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"This love you polys talk about sounds really diluted Why? I feel as strongly about my partners as any of my monogamous friends feel about theirs. I'm not saying people can't love more than 1 person. But I think you can only be inlove with one And that's what makes it special Why? My relationships are very special. As special as a monogamous relationship. I don't see why you would force yourself to only be with one person if you like two people that much." I guess we're just wired differently. All good | |||
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"This love you polys talk about sounds really diluted Why? I feel as strongly about my partners as any of my monogamous friends feel about theirs. I'm not saying people can't love more than 1 person. But I think you can only be inlove with one And that's what makes it special Why? My relationships are very special. As special as a monogamous relationship. I don't see why you would force yourself to only be with one person if you like two people that much. I guess we're just wired differently. All good " Seems strange to be on a swingers site if you're wired for monogamy! | |||
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"Isn't most of what people are describing here just swinging, being single or more open relationships? I'd define poly-amorous being more boundaryless relationships with no clear roles as man, wife, bf, gf? Most of the above - people still seem to have their regular partners but simply share (not heckling a thread)." I'd see most using this as a sex site for self gratification ...Most meet for a sex then move on...Most don't want repeats and if they do its only for a couple times then move on to the next 'victim' That's not polyamorou. | |||
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"This love you polys talk about sounds really diluted Why? I feel as strongly about my partners as any of my monogamous friends feel about theirs. I'm not saying people can't love more than 1 person. But I think you can only be inlove with one And that's what makes it special Why? My relationships are very special. As special as a monogamous relationship. I don't see why you would force yourself to only be with one person if you like two people that much. I guess we're just wired differently. All good Seems strange to be on a swingers site if you're wired for monogamy!" I have my reasons | |||
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"Isn't most of what people are describing here just swinging, being single or more open relationships? I'd define poly-amorous being more boundaryless relationships with no clear roles as man, wife, bf, gf? Most of the above - people still seem to have their regular partners but simply share (not heckling a thread). There are lots of different types of poly relationships. So for example - that 'boundaryless' style of relationship is usually called 'relationship anarchy' (it has a manifesto and everything) and is proberbly the most liberal form of poly. Then there are polyamorous peoples with primary partners, who have meaningful relationships with others (either together or apart). Usually you see words like 'secondaries' and 'tertiaries' to describe how far out the additional relationships are from the nucleus couple. (Secondaries are normally VIP's in their lives, tertiaries would be more like a fuck buddy). And then there are closed polyamorous relationships. For example, a closed triad where nobody is playing/seeing anyone outside of that three." It's still ultimately swinging if they don't commit to breaking ties to their formal partner. At some point 'secondaries'/'tertiaries' will move on for one reason or another, and their existing relationship will ensue. | |||
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"Isn't most of what people are describing here just swinging, being single or more open relationships? I'd define poly-amorous being more boundaryless relationships with no clear roles as man, wife, bf, gf? Most of the above - people still seem to have their regular partners but simply share (not heckling a thread). There are lots of different types of poly relationships. So for example - that 'boundaryless' style of relationship is usually called 'relationship anarchy' (it has a manifesto and everything) and is proberbly the most liberal form of poly. Then there are polyamorous peoples with primary partners, who have meaningful relationships with others (either together or apart). Usually you see words like 'secondaries' and 'tertiaries' to describe how far out the additional relationships are from the nucleus couple. (Secondaries are normally VIP's in their lives, tertiaries would be more like a fuck buddy). And then there are closed polyamorous relationships. For example, a closed triad where nobody is playing/seeing anyone outside of that three." | |||
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"Seems we opened a big can o worms" Polyamory is just a willingness and openness to feel affection and possibly love for several people at once. This is what differentiates it from conventional NSA and swinging, where people often try to steer clear of any emotional involvement. People complicate it when they try to develop a pseudo-scientific categorisation and rationalisation of it in all its forms. It's yet another example where the appearance of more knowledge is actually less | |||
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" It's still ultimately swinging if they don't commit to breaking ties to their formal partner. At some point 'secondaries'/'tertiaries' will move on for one reason or another, and their existing relationship will ensue. " I think that's a very cynical outlook. I know some people that have been 'secondaries' for almost two decades. That's longer than my parents managed to be married for in a monogamous relationship. My longest partner and I are now creeping up to six years together and he's not a 'primary' - nor do I have what I think you are referring to as a 'formal' partner. I personally see swinging as something a bit different, something far more casual. Without so many emotions and feelings involved. | |||
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" It's still ultimately swinging if they don't commit to breaking ties to their formal partner. At some point 'secondaries'/'tertiaries' will move on for one reason or another, and their existing relationship will ensue. I think that's a very cynical outlook. I know some people that have been 'secondaries' for almost two decades. That's longer than my parents managed to be married for in a monogamous relationship. My longest partner and I are now creeping up to six years together and he's not a 'primary' - nor do I have what I think you are referring to as a 'formal' partner. I personally see swinging as something a bit different, something far more casual. Without so many emotions and feelings involved." You are also, of course, implying that primary partners or monogamous individuals don't 'move on for one reason or another'. They do. Frequently. | |||
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" I need to find a poly friend to be monogamous with while she see's as many guys as she wants..." This more or less what we have. We have a D/s dynamic which changes things slightly. I think a lot of people on here are looking for hook ups rather than relationships. The clue is in the word polyAMOUR not polyFUCKERY. | |||
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"Seems we opened a big can o worms Polyamory is just a willingness and openness to feel affection and possibly love for several people at once. This is what differentiates it from conventional NSA and swinging, where people often try to steer clear of any emotional involvement. People complicate it when they try to develop a pseudo-scientific categorisation and rationalisation of it in all its forms. It's yet another example where the appearance of more knowledge is actually less " A message from you would be appreciated | |||
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"This love you polys talk about sounds really diluted Why? I feel as strongly about my partners as any of my monogamous friends feel about theirs. I'm not saying people can't love more than 1 person. But I think you can only be inlove with one And that's what makes it special" | |||
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"Seems we opened a big can o worms " I don't think you did, this has been one of the most rounded and "adult" exchange of opinions I've read on the forums in a long while. Its interesting, informative and good to see that people can air their views without resorting to ridicule, abuse, or argument ...... which says a lot given that most of the posts are from those who live a polyamorous lifestyle? By which I mean they are able to communicate well with others, a necessity in such a lifestyle choice. | |||
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"So who hear is polyamorous? Or intrested in the idea? We both are Though currently only with eachother " Grows boring but I'm quite a poly girl | |||
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"Seems we opened a big can o worms I don't think you did, this has been one of the most rounded and "adult" exchange of opinions I've read on the forums in a long while. Its interesting, informative and good to see that people can air their views without resorting to ridicule, abuse, or argument ...... which says a lot given that most of the posts are from those who live a polyamorous lifestyle? By which I mean they are able to communicate well with others, a necessity in such a lifestyle choice. " | |||
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"Isn't most of what people are describing here just swinging, being single or more open relationships? I'd define poly-amorous being more boundaryless relationships with no clear roles as man, wife, bf, gf? Most of the above - people still seem to have their regular partners but simply share (not heckling a thread). There are lots of different types of poly relationships. So for example - that 'boundaryless' style of relationship is usually called 'relationship anarchy' (it has a manifesto and everything) and is proberbly the most liberal form of poly. Then there are polyamorous peoples with primary partners, who have meaningful relationships with others (either together or apart). Usually you see words like 'secondaries' and 'tertiaries' to describe how far out the additional relationships are from the nucleus couple. (Secondaries are normally VIP's in their lives, tertiaries would be more like a fuck buddy). And then there are closed polyamorous relationships. For example, a closed triad where nobody is playing/seeing anyone outside of that three." This is one of the better explanations to me. I could not fall into any of these categories as whilst I could happily have friends and have sex with those friends 'if we all felt that way'. I couldn't commit to those friends anything more than friendship. Part of being married for me is wanting that commitment over and above being friends, to commit to share everything in life. I could not do that for my friends no matter how much I cared for them. Hence why polyamory would not work for me. I would have to have equal commitment to all partners which would mean less for my spouse as you can't commit everything to all people not even to two people. Love for family and friends is something different again. Possibly the difficulty is we use love to describe all these different feelings. Where as the ancient Greeks used a combination of words to mean love. Eros, Philia,Ludus, Agape, Pragma, Philautia. | |||
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"Would love to be in a poly relationship. But come from a super conservative family so don't think it's fair or would work out if I kept them a secret " Personally I don't talk about my love/sex life with my family of origin, and I am not planning on coming out to them. You are already on a swingers site, I bet you haven't shared this with your conservative family either. You have to work out for yourself how you can distinguish yourself from your family - this is not a poly issue, it is a general identity issue for you. To put it in other words, the problem is not what your parents will think about what you do, the problem is that you have internalised their opinions, they are yours too. Conservative setups thrive on secrecy and turning a blind eye, you can always use that to your advantage. | |||
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"Would love to be in a poly relationship. But come from a super conservative family so don't think it's fair or would work out if I kept them a secret Personally I don't talk about my love/sex life with my family of origin, and I am not planning on coming out to them. You are already on a swingers site, I bet you haven't shared this with your conservative family either. You have to work out for yourself how you can distinguish yourself from your family - this is not a poly issue, it is a general identity issue for you. To put it in other words, the problem is not what your parents will think about what you do, the problem is that you have internalised their opinions, they are yours too. Conservative setups thrive on secrecy and turning a blind eye, you can always use that to your advantage." Excellent points, but in my head there's a difference between a swinging and a relationship. Swinging is by nature not something discussed with the family and it's just fun. However a committed relationship shouldn't have to be hidden, but embraced and celebrated in my opinion. Swinging is also a f you to the conservative society that's stifling but love shouldn't be a tool for that and the person or in this threads case persons you cherish shouldn't have to go through that. | |||
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"Isn't most of what people are describing here just swinging, being single or more open relationships? I'd define poly-amorous being more boundaryless relationships with no clear roles as man, wife, bf, gf? Most of the above - people still seem to have their regular partners but simply share (not heckling a thread). There are lots of different types of poly relationships. So for example - that 'boundaryless' style of relationship is usually called 'relationship anarchy' (it has a manifesto and everything) and is proberbly the most liberal form of poly. Then there are polyamorous peoples with primary partners, who have meaningful relationships with others (either together or apart). Usually you see words like 'secondaries' and 'tertiaries' to describe how far out the additional relationships are from the nucleus couple. (Secondaries are normally VIP's in their lives, tertiaries would be more like a fuck buddy). And then there are closed polyamorous relationships. For example, a closed triad where nobody is playing/seeing anyone outside of that three. This is one of the better explanations to me. I could not fall into any of these categories as whilst I could happily have friends and have sex with those friends 'if we all felt that way'. I couldn't commit to those friends anything more than friendship. Part of being married for me is wanting that commitment over and above being friends, to commit to share everything in life. I could not do that for my friends no matter how much I cared for them. Hence why polyamory would not work for me. I would have to have equal commitment to all partners which would mean less for my spouse as you can't commit everything to all people not even to two people. Love for family and friends is something different again. Possibly the difficulty is we use love to describe all these different feelings. Where as the ancient Greeks used a combination of words to mean love. Eros, Philia,Ludus, Agape, Pragma, Philautia." A point I tried to make that we love different people in different was depending on the relationship.... but it is still love...Just in a different way. | |||
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" Excellent points, but in my head there's a difference between a swinging and a relationship. Swinging is by nature not something discussed with the family and it's just fun. However a committed relationship shouldn't have to be hidden, but embraced and celebrated in my opinion. " Yes, this. Very much this. I'd never hide a relationship. | |||
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"This is what I want ideally, though a closed MMF triad " wow! that sounds lovely! | |||
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"Just another made up word for people who want to date/fuck other people while in a relationship. No more than monogamy is just a made up word for people who only want to fuck the same person. " | |||
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"This is what I want ideally, though a closed MMF triad " This would be BLISS. Its called polyandry and is apparently usual within certain areas of Tibet. Only thing is, they would be have to be bi!! | |||
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"This is what I want ideally, though a closed MMF triad This would be BLISS. Its called polyandry and is apparently usual within certain areas of Tibet. Only thing is, they would be have to be bi!!" Amazing the number of women who would like that! sounds wonderful | |||
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" Excellent points, but in my head there's a difference between a swinging and a relationship. Swinging is by nature not something discussed with the family and it's just fun. However a committed relationship shouldn't have to be hidden, but embraced and celebrated in my opinion. Yes, this. Very much this. I'd never hide a relationship. " My commited relationships are embraced and celebrated enough - do they really need my parents' sanction? I think not, and my partners agree. Many many years ago, my then boyfriend and my on-and-off girlfriend were with me at my wedding - but I didn't snog them in front of the other guests What I think now is not that I should have my family's approval for my multiple partners, but that I didn't even need their (or the church's, or the state's) approval for the one partner that I "had to" marry back then. If that is what you mean when you say "embraced and celebrated" thanks, I don't want any more of it I assume we are talking about families which overreach personal boundaries, not the laissez-faire families you often get in the UK. Sometimes you have to pick your battles, lay low when there is nothing to be won. | |||
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" Excellent points, but in my head there's a difference between a swinging and a relationship. Swinging is by nature not something discussed with the family and it's just fun. However a committed relationship shouldn't have to be hidden, but embraced and celebrated in my opinion. Yes, this. Very much this. I'd never hide a relationship. My commited relationships are embraced and celebrated enough - do they really need my parents' sanction? I think not, and my partners agree. Many many years ago, my then boyfriend and my on-and-off girlfriend were with me at my wedding - but I didn't snog them in front of the other guests What I think now is not that I should have my family's approval for my multiple partners, but that I didn't even need their (or the church's, or the state's) approval for the one partner that I "had to" marry back then. If that is what you mean when you say "embraced and celebrated" thanks, I don't want any more of it I assume we are talking about families which overreach personal boundaries, not the laissez-faire families you often get in the UK. Sometimes you have to pick your battles, lay low when there is nothing to be won." Its lovely that you had your boyfriend and your girlfriend at your wedding! | |||
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" Excellent points, but in my head there's a difference between a swinging and a relationship. Swinging is by nature not something discussed with the family and it's just fun. However a committed relationship shouldn't have to be hidden, but embraced and celebrated in my opinion. Yes, this. Very much this. I'd never hide a relationship. My commited relationships are embraced and celebrated enough - do they really need my parents' sanction? I think not, and my partners agree. Many many years ago, my then boyfriend and my on-and-off girlfriend were with me at my wedding - but I didn't snog them in front of the other guests What I think now is not that I should have my family's approval for my multiple partners, but that I didn't even need their (or the church's, or the state's) approval for the one partner that I "had to" marry back then. If that is what you mean when you say "embraced and celebrated" thanks, I don't want any more of it I assume we are talking about families which overreach personal boundaries, not the laissez-faire families you often get in the UK. Sometimes you have to pick your battles, lay low when there is nothing to be won." It sounds like quite the fantastic wedding. Perhaps embraced or celebrated is too strong a word but at the very least I want the person to know that I care about them and I'm proud to know them. But that would be so hard to convey if I can't give them the courtesy of even telling my family. Though you're right, it isn't the normal uk family, it's a very backward, conservative homophobic family. But things are complicated so you just live with it. | |||
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"Hmm I think the very nature of love is that it overwhelms you and you become utterly infatuated with your lover. The world retreats from view and it's just the two of you revelling in becoming entangled in each other. After a while (possibly years) the dust settles and you begin to see the beauty of others again. You may not be no less in love. It's just that the love has matured into something else. It's then that you may decide you want to have sexual adventures with your partner or perhaps bring other people in on a more expansive loving basis. These second lovers can also infatuate us with sexual desire but we know it's not our primary and deepest love so we act to make sure it doesn't corrode that. However, if both primary partners fall deeply in love with their new lover then this trinity may become a new primary relationship and grow out from there, perhaps again lost to the world for a while before it entertains playing with new people. That's what polyamory is to us. " I love this description.... how lovely... | |||
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"Hmm I think the very nature of love is that it overwhelms you and you become utterly infatuated with your lover. The world retreats from view and it's just the two of you revelling in becoming entangled in each other. After a while (possibly years) the dust settles and you begin to see the beauty of others again. You may not be no less in love. It's just that the love has matured into something else. It's then that you may decide you want to have sexual adventures with your partner or perhaps bring other people in on a more expansive loving basis. These second lovers can also infatuate us with sexual desire but we know it's not our primary and deepest love so we act to make sure it doesn't corrode that. However, if both primary partners fall deeply in love with their new lover then this trinity may become a new primary relationship and grow out from there, perhaps again lost to the world for a while before it entertains playing with new people. That's what polyamory is to us. I love this description.... how lovely..." very well said | |||
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"This is what I want ideally, though a closed MMF triad This would be BLISS. Its called polyandry and is apparently usual within certain areas of Tibet. Only thing is, they would be have to be bi!!" Technically polyandry and polygamy both involve *marriage*, which is illegal in this country. | |||
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"Me and my partner are in an open relationship. But if we both have free time that is the same (jobs have funny hours!) when he/I takes priority. He's away with the army at the moment and I'm Free to meet people and so is he... one of the big rules for us is to keep the people we meet off our Facebook or anything linked to it as family and friends don't know about this part of our relationship. We see things as "cheating" is deception and going behind someone's back so if you're open about it and honest, there is no deception and therefore it's not "cheating". Even my vanilla friends who do know about it, can see our logic there " This....?? Not sure I could do it though | |||
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"I'm poly. One of my partners is poly. Another is monogamous with me. We also play with others (bdsm) in a non sexual capacity. It's not for everyone. I need to find a poly friend to be monogamous with while she see's as many guys as she wants..." This is how we are, works well so far for us and now just looking for a few regular guys... Amy | |||
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"We prefer to have a small number of regular partners who stay in our circle as long as they wish to. And during that time we will develop a degree of friendly affection for them. Because if we didn't find ourselves drawn to their personalities we wouldn't fuck them to begin with." This is pretty much how my wife & I are. We like to be with a select few close friends that we really gel with and can have repeated fun, that develops us all as people and explore new things with them. I could easily see a poly type relationship developing if/when we were to meet suitable people. | |||
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"We aren't poly but nor are we necessarily cold hard fuckers either. We prefer to have a small number of regular partners who stay in our circle as long as they wish to. And during that time we will develop a degree of friendly affection for them. Because if we didn't find ourselves drawn to their personalities we wouldn't fuck them to begin with. It would never cross the line into poly, but it's certainly more than indifference" Sounds like you're poly to me. | |||
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"We aren't poly but nor are we necessarily cold hard fuckers either. We prefer to have a small number of regular partners who stay in our circle as long as they wish to. And during that time we will develop a degree of friendly affection for them. Because if we didn't find ourselves drawn to their personalities we wouldn't fuck them to begin with. It would never cross the line into poly, but it's certainly more than indifference Sounds like you're poly to me." It's not like you to label others. | |||
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"In my experience of these threads I've come to realise that polyamory is a very broad church. Not only are there a huge variety of set ups between people, but there's also variety in how people look at it. For example, some approach polyamory because they are very loving people in life and would like to expand on that, being allowed to love who they want. However, some people are very preoccupied with being free and single and actually don't have much of a loving approach, indeed they may even be cynical about if love even exists. To these people polyamory offers a way to have a series of fulfilling friendships with benefits without feeling pressured to have to "love" or commit to any of them. As such, you shouldn't assume that when you're talking to someone about polyamory you're talking about extra love and commitment. You may actually be talking with someone who's using polyamory precisely as a vehicle to evade these things. " Very good point. | |||
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"Not looking for but something I'd definitely be open to....I'd also like a pet unicorn and a pot of gold please Ay up (he says in a pathetic attempt at a Yorkshire accent) We haven't got a unicorn or any gold but we've got a pet and a pot " Lol | |||
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"So who hear is polyamorous? Or intrested in the idea? We both are Though currently only with eachother " I can certainly see the attraction. | |||
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