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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Most people on Fab and anywhere for that matter say they only play safe, meaning the use of condoms is a must, yet they will happily suck cock/fanny without a condom. Apart from the risk of pregnancy, their main concern is the risk of std's... So can someone explain why it's okay to suck cock/fanny without a condom but not okay to fuck without a condom |
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"Most people on Fab and anywhere for that matter say they only play safe, meaning the use of condoms is a must, yet they will happily suck cock/fanny without a condom. Apart from the risk of pregnancy, their main concern is the risk of std's... So can someone explain why it's okay to suck cock/fanny without a condom but not okay to fuck without a condom"
We don't use then at all we bareback |
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over a year ago
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Much lower risk or so i think most beleave anyway i personally dont use protection for oral havent ever came across the things designed for eating pussy protected but if its the only way my cocks going to get suched i would happily put a glove on it if they wanted me to id rather not tho |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Most people on Fab and anywhere for that matter say they only play safe, meaning the use of condoms is a must, yet they will happily suck cock/fanny without a condom. Apart from the risk of pregnancy, their main concern is the risk of std's... So can someone explain why it's okay to suck cock/fanny without a condom but not okay to fuck without a condom"
OP you list safe sex on your profile. Do u insist on a condom for a blow job? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The clinic have advised me that the risks for oral are considerably lower than for bare full sex...
And also that its pretty much zero chance of contracting hiv via oral.
So that is why for us. |
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"So can someone explain why it's okay to suck cock/fanny without a condom but not okay to fuck without a condom"
No that's why we make it clear in our profile we won't. Other people can do what they like. We will only play 'our way'.
The NHS Choices website is fairly clear (on Oral sex).
You can catch an STI if you have just one sexual partner. However, the more partners you have, the greater the risk of catching an infection.
STIs that are commonly caught through oral sex are:
gonorrhoea
genital herpes
syphilis
Infections that are less frequently passed on through oral sex include:
chlamydia
HIV
hepatitis A, hepatitis B and hepatitis C
genital warts
pubic lice |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Nope because that's what prostitutes do so that's why I am asking why it's okay for a woman to suck my cock with no condom but not okay to fuck the very same cock that invaded her mouth... do you wear a condom to suck cock? If no do you use condoms for sex? |
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STI's are very often discussed on Fab forums. Can't say I've ever seen a contribution from anyone who has been infected and I'm thinking that more fabbers get tested than in the big wide world at large. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Nope because that's what prostitutes do so that's why I am asking why it's okay for a woman to suck my cock with no condom but not okay to fuck the very same cock that invaded her mouth... do you wear a condom to suck cock? If no do you use condoms for sex?"
No I don't use one to suck cock. I wear one for sex to ensure there's no fab babies.
Regular checks will ensure my mouth is clear  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nope because that's what prostitutes do so that's why I am asking why it's okay for a woman to suck my cock with no condom but not okay to fuck the very same cock that invaded her mouth... do you wear a condom to suck cock? If no do you use condoms for sex?"
Have once used a condom to suck cock and it was dire.. never again.
Been doing this since I was 24... so we could say 3 or 4 a week since then.. sometimes more.. and while I get checked regularly. I Wont let the slight risk change how I play.
I have asked many times at the clinic and while there is a slight risk.. it is a much lesser risk.. and one we are happy to take. But as the risk is increased if you take cum in your mouth I have all but stopped doing so x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Nope because that's what prostitutes do so that's why I am asking why it's okay for a woman to suck my cock with no condom but not okay to fuck the very same cock that invaded her mouth... do you wear a condom to suck cock? If no do you use condoms for sex?"
Ahhh....she sucked your cock with no condom but wouldn't fuck you without one and you're pissed off?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Nope because that's what prostitutes do so that's why I am asking why it's okay for a woman to suck my cock with no condom but not okay to fuck the very same cock that invaded her mouth... do you wear a condom to suck cock? If no do you use condoms for sex?
Ahhh....she sucked your cock with no condom but wouldn't fuck you without one and you're pissed off? "
to be fair I've had plenty of guys argue the same. X |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Nope because that's what prostitutes do so that's why I am asking why it's okay for a woman to suck my cock with no condom but not okay to fuck the very same cock that invaded her mouth... do you wear a condom to suck cock? If no do you use condoms for sex?
Ahhh....she sucked your cock with no condom but wouldn't fuck you without one and you're pissed off? "
Nail on the head |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Hahaha thank you to everyone who helped but still I don't quite see the logic in it apart from the prevention of babies as the risk of herpes or crabs should be enough to stop people giving head without a condom but they still do. Yet many say they use condoms to avoid the risks of stds more than the fear of pregnancy |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Haha I thought I was the only weirdo to ask it.. I won't be doing it again but there has to be an answer to all this, because I can't not use condoms... but I like giving and receiving oral but on sites like this I feel awkward giving oral to women loads of veri's for obvious reasons |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Haha I thought I was the only weirdo to ask it.. I won't be doing it again but there has to be an answer to all this, because I can't not use condoms... but I like giving and receiving oral but on sites like this I feel awkward giving oral to women loads of veri's for obvious reasons"
What obvious reasons are those? I can't think of any |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Best thing you can do is ask about the risk when you next visit the GUM clinic. They will be the most qualified to answer. I think the reason that many give blow jobs etc without using a condom but use them for penetrative sex is because the risk of transmission is significantly lower than bare back sex. Of course there is still risk which increases if you allow them to cum in your mouth.
Giving oral to a woman is the least risky of all the oral activities because fluid is less likely to reach the back of the throat whereas even if a guy doesn't cum in your mouth , there will still be precum which due to the nature of where it is excreted from is more likely to reach the back of your throat. As others have said, any cuts on the gums etc also increases the risk which is why you shouldn't floss before a meet.
Everyone has to balance the risk to benefit ratio and not many can justify the higher risk of bare back sex. Most will find the risk of oral to be an acceptable level. It's really not as black and white as all protection or no protection. Sounds pretty shocking to me that because the woman you slept with didn't have answers to satisfy you then she felt pressured to have bareback sex which she wouldn't have ordinarily chosen to do. Perhaps I misinterpreted your post though. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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True and same gos for men but the point is veri's are proof of this.. just like they are proof you are genuine and all the rest. It's the knowing that My cock could get an std from the woman's mouth so what's the point of me wearing a condom? My pull out game is strong so I don't worry about her getting pregnant. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Catching one of the stds i mentioned in my mouth or where ever.. I guess I'm just being paranoid hahaha"
I still do not get why it's obvious you don't want to give oral unprotected to women with lots of veris. It takes one person to pass on a STI, I see you have one verification.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"True and same gos for men but the point is veri's are proof of this.. just like they are proof you are genuine and all the rest. It's the knowing that My cock could get an std from the woman's mouth so what's the point of me wearing a condom? My pull out game is strong so I don't worry about her getting pregnant."
Oh I misunderstood, you don't really care about getting an Sti, seemingly you bareback anyone who caves in under pressure |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I think you did misunderstand as I think it was more she saw the sense of what I was saying with regards to the risk of oral sex being the same as penetrative sex, more than the fact the she felt pressured. We had already used condoms but decided not to after a few rounds.
However after reading your explanation I think your answer is the most logical as I agree it is about weighing the risks yourself so thank you. |
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Ahh so your real point is if you suck my cock bare and I lick you bare then we may as well fuck bare. I work with someone who has never used a condom in her life and never caught a thing (other than a baby at 16), I class her as extremely lucky rather than the norm |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think you did misunderstand as I think it was more she saw the sense of what I was saying with regards to the risk of oral sex being the same as penetration , more than the fact the she felt pressured. We had already used condoms but decided not to after a few rounds.
However after reading your explanation I think your answer is the most logical as I agree it is about weighing the risks yourself so thank you."
"more she saw the sense of what I was saying with regards to the risk of oral sex being the same as penetration"
You're welcome but I do think it's important that you understand the risk is not the same. Not sure you've quite grasped that bare back penetration is much more risky for both partners than any type of oral. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Perhaps it is.. perhaps it isn't. I'll research it for my self to see if that is a fact however I have embraced your feedback and appreciate it as it has given me much to think about and it explains my original question which is why people will do one and not the other. Obviously if most people share your opinion it makes sense now which is why I thanked you. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Has someone got through to you yet?.
The answer to your question is because unprotected oral is a much SAFER form of sex than unprotected vaginal/anal fucking.
Nobody can argue with that.."
Well said ! ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think you did misunderstand as I think it was more she saw the sense of what I was saying with regards to the risk of oral sex being the same as penetration , more than the fact the she felt pressured. We had already used condoms but decided not to after a few rounds.
However after reading your explanation I think your answer is the most logical as I agree it is about weighing the risks yourself so thank you.
"more she saw the sense of what I was saying with regards to the risk of oral sex being the same as penetration"
You're welcome but I do think it's important that you understand the risk is not the same. Not sure you've quite grasped that bare back penetration is much more risky for both partners than any type of oral. "
 Ive had many an argument on the same fact.. that yes there is a risk but it is significantly less than bare full sex. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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tbh I never used a condom until I turned 28 and I've only ever had one sti in my life which came after the use of condoms. Not saying its in anyway related but the argument for condoms being safe is another conversation all together.
I got my answer.. which was why most people feel it's ok to have sex protected and oral unprotected? Whether I agree isn't the point but I do agree with the logic of why people do what they do and a lot of fair points were made |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I would say you are right and if you are referring to me.. I said had a sti.. first and last time ever.. but as for the clubs. Who's to know who has what in those places. Hence my original question |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just to clarify, the reason STI infection is a lower risk from oral than from penetrative sex is because the digestive system, in particular saliva, is quite good at destroying some bacteria and viruses before they colonise or enter the blood stream. Before anybody jumps on me, I'm not suggesting there is no risk from oral, and I'm not advocating what decision people should make with regards to safe sex. I'm just pointing out the biological differences with transmission depending on the part of the body.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I would say you are right and if you are referring to me.. I said had a sti.. first and last time ever.. but as for the clubs. Who's to know who has what in those places. Hence my original question "
id be more worried about your pulling out comment. Would hope it was a joke
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Nope because that's what prostitutes do so that's why I am asking why it's okay for a woman to suck my cock with no condom but not okay to fuck the very same cock that invaded her mouth... do you wear a condom to suck cock? If no do you use condoms for sex?"
I insist on them if we are going to do oral sex, and I insist on them for penis-in-vagina sex.
I have gum disease - as do a large portion of the population - and so I'm at higher risk of contracting STI's through my mouth. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm starting to think Fab needs to have all new users fill out a sexual health questionnaire before joining this site.
The amount of people on this site that are utterly clueless about sexual transmitted infections is astonishing?.... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Ok now here's a real honest answer and I respect that. Both that you insist on being protected both ways and that you have gum disease as you are right.. many people do have it and wouldn't admit it and some just don't know. That being said I take back what I said about it only being prostitutes that do oral with condoms as you have made a valid point. Thank you |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm starting to think Fab needs to have all new users fill out a sexual health questionnaire before joining this site.
The amount of people on this site that are utterly clueless about sexual transmitted infections is astonishing?...."
exactly this ! |
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"So can someone explain why it's okay to suck cock/fanny without a condom but not okay to fuck without a condom
No that's why we make it clear in our profile we won't. Other people can do what they like. We will only play 'our way'.
The NHS Choices website is fairly clear (on Oral sex).
You can catch an STI if you have just one sexual partner. However, the more partners you have, the greater the risk of catching an infection.
STIs that are commonly caught through oral sex are:
gonorrhoea
genital herpes
syphilis
Infections that are less frequently passed on through oral sex include:
chlamydia
HIV
hepatitis A, hepatitis B and hepatitis C
genital warts
pubic lice "
I would have thought that it was nigh on impossible to catch pubic lice through oral! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So can someone explain why it's okay to suck cock/fanny without a condom but not okay to fuck without a condom
No that's why we make it clear in our profile we won't. Other people can do what they like. We will only play 'our way'.
The NHS Choices website is fairly clear (on Oral sex).
You can catch an STI if you have just one sexual partner. However, the more partners you have, the greater the risk of catching an infection.
STIs that are commonly caught through oral sex are:
gonorrhoea
genital herpes
syphilis
Infections that are less frequently passed on through oral sex include:
chlamydia
HIV
hepatitis A, hepatitis B and hepatitis C
genital warts
pubic lice
I would have thought that it was nigh on impossible to catch pubic lice through oral!"
oh didn't ya know , fabbers can get pregers sitting on toilet sets if u listen to some of the twoddle lol |
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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago
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"True and same gos for men but the point is veri's are proof of this.. just like they are proof you are genuine and all the rest. It's the knowing that My cock could get an std from the woman's mouth so what's the point of me wearing a condom? My pull out game is strong so I don't worry about her getting pregnant."
did i just read that correctly? wow...your pull out game is strong
and you cant wear condoms, why not, or is that just wont?
ill do what i want with my body, my own risk assessment, not anyone elses logic or persuasion... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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STIs that are commonly caught through oral sex are:
gonorrhoea, genital herpes and syphilis
However there are usually visual signs of these infections. I get a regular check up as my GP is fully aware that we are swingers. |
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Question is OP do you get tested regularly at sexual health clinic? I may have a fair few veris - a lot are just from socials, but I value my health and go and get swabs and blood tests regularly so I know I'm safe to play
As someone says only takes one interaction to get infected |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I do get check ups regularly even when I wear condoms because I get oral without which was one of the reasons I thought I'd post the question in this forum. |
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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago
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"I do get check ups regularly even when I wear condoms because I get oral without which was one of the reasons I thought I'd post the question in this forum. "
you said you couldnt use them..make up your mind  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Most people on Fab and anywhere for that matter say they only play safe, meaning the use of condoms is a must, yet they will happily suck cock/fanny without a condom. Apart from the risk of pregnancy, their main concern is the risk of std's... So can someone explain why it's okay to suck cock/fanny without a condom but not okay to fuck without a condom"
Dramatically reduced risk of catching something serious like HIV compared to penetrative sex.
The ubpleasentness of dental dams or condoms for oral.
These combined mean unprotected oral is acceotable to most people on a risk vs reward basis.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How is it lower? If a man has a std on his cock then I would expect the same risk of infecting a pussy would be the same as a mouth "
Most people dont tear thier mluths during oral, however small tears in the vagina are more common and very common during anal.
Also your mouth is fairly well equipped to deal with diseases (after all think of everything you put in there) where as a vagina isnt |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So can someone explain why it's okay to suck cock/fanny without a condom but not okay to fuck without a condom
No that's why we make it clear in our profile we won't. Other people can do what they like. We will only play 'our way'.
The NHS Choices website is fairly clear (on Oral sex).
You can catch an STI if you have just one sexual partner. However, the more partners you have, the greater the risk of catching an infection.
STIs that are commonly caught through oral sex are:
gonorrhoea
genital herpes
syphilis
Infections that are less frequently passed on through oral sex include:
chlamydia
HIV
hepatitis A, hepatitis B and hepatitis C
genital warts
pubic lice
I would have thought that it was nigh on impossible to catch pubic lice through oral!"
You can get them in your eyelashes and eyebrows...I have seen someone infested in exactly that way |
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It's all about risk management v enjoyment and fulfilment. It's up to the individual to get the ballence that they are happy with.
For most condom for penetrative sex and nothing for everything else in the right ballence. Risks are less for oral. Personally I hate condoms but are essential unless I really know and trust a person and there history. Using some kind of oral guard would take too much enjoyment away from the experiance. Plus of course risk can be managed by knowing a person and their history. That can affect how you play with someone.
But at the end of the day nothing is risk free and life would be shit if you never did anything for fear of a small risk. |
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If you read any information about sti
It is not clear cut! Oral sex is very difficult to pass on sti
Penetration on the other hand is a different story! Hence we only practise safe sex
Why would people risk not using protection! Conforms and regular checks required in this world!
Do you want to be the one that passes sti on??
I guess not? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"True and same gos for men but the point is veri's are proof of this.. just like they are proof you are genuine and all the rest. It's the knowing that My cock could get an std from the woman's mouth so what's the point of me wearing a condom? My pull out game is strong so I don't worry about her getting pregnant."
Ha ha ha ha ha have you never heard of pre cum? I know children whose daddy thought they also had a strong pull out game!
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By (user no longer on site)
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" My pull out game is strong so I don't worry about her getting pregnant."
You can get pregnant from pre-cum as well. Fucking idiot women if they listen to you. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" My pull out game is strong so I don't worry about her getting pregnant.
You can get pregnant from pre-cum as well. Fucking idiot women if they listen to you."
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By (user no longer on site)
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The OP does raise a rather touchy subject for vast majority and we know that the sex police on here can sometimes come down hard on BB lovers - but they do so with best intentions I'm sure
Personally I don't need of them to prevent pregnancy (snipped years ago), but I do have a dislike of latext and condoms in general |
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"So can someone explain why it's okay to suck cock/fanny without a condom but not okay to fuck without a condom
No that's why we make it clear in our profile we won't. Other people can do what they like. We will only play 'our way'.
The NHS Choices website is fairly clear (on Oral sex).
You can catch an STI if you have just one sexual partner. However, the more partners you have, the greater the risk of catching an infection.
STIs that are commonly caught through oral sex are:
gonorrhoea
genital herpes
syphilis
Infections that are less frequently passed on through oral sex include:
chlamydia
HIV
hepatitis A, hepatitis B and hepatitis C
genital warts
pubic lice
I would have thought that it was nigh on impossible to catch pubic lice through oral!
You can get them in your eyelashes and eyebrows...I have seen someone infested in exactly that way"
As for the 'pulling out' comment - you can get somebody pregnant from the pre cum as well as still passing on/contracting STIs |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"True and same gos for men but the point is veri's are proof of this.. just like they are proof you are genuine and all the rest. It's the knowing that My cock could get an std from the woman's mouth so what's the point of me wearing a condom? My pull out game is strong so I don't worry about her getting pregnant."
Hahahahahaha wtf....
There are kids in their first sitting of sex Ed with more common sense than this post has. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Haha.. Either you can't read or you're just ignorant.. so let me clarify. The original post was in the interest of getting people's opinions. I said I use them However I never used them until I was 28. I never said I can't use them.. like you said earlier, it's your prerogative what you do with your body as it is mine. Whether I use them or not has nothing to do with the post or you for that matter, because you and I aren't fucking and never will. Still it the interest of good conversation read all my replies before you make ignorant comments |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Haha.. Either you can't read or you're just ignorant.. so let me clarify. The original post was in the interest of getting people's opinions. I said I use them However I never used them until I was 28. I never said I can't use them.. like you said earlier, it's your prerogative what you do with your body as it is mine. Whether I use them or not has nothing to do with the post or you for that matter, because you and I aren't fucking and never will. Still it the interest of good conversation read all my replies before you make ignorant comments "
People were pulling you up on the pull out comment... and you having said you dont worry about pregnancy as you use it
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"Haha.. Either you can't read or you're just ignorant.. so let me clarify. The original post was in the interest of getting people's opinions. I said I use them However I never used them until I was 28. I never said I can't use them.. like you said earlier, it's your prerogative what you do with your body as it is mine. Whether I use them or not has nothing to do with the post or you for that matter, because you and I aren't fucking and never will. Still it the interest of good conversation read all my replies before you make ignorant comments People were pulling you up on the pull out comment... and you having said you dont worry about pregnancy as you use it"
This.
Plus no one knows who u are replying to when you don't quote the post |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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That's because I agree with everyone's comments. I said the pull out comment out of sheer banter and ignorance. I'm not afraid to admit when I say ignorant and stupid things, hence no response. Obviously I know the risk of unprotected sex with regards to pregnancy which is why I made the point in the first post. As the conversation digressed i made the comment on pulling out for a laugh to see people's reactions. People's are very opinionated and I thought it would make humorous conversation.. nothing more. Don't take yourself so seriously because it is easy for you to sell people a dream on here but half of the people on Fab are fake anyway... only you know if your replies are genuine or if you said them to impress others reading.. mine were all honest or for a laugh in the interest in playing devils advocate.. There was a time in my life when I actually believed my pull out game was strong.. yes stupid I know and then you grow up.. and now I said it again for a laugh.. So shoot me... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Haha.. Either you can't read or you're just ignorant.. so let me clarify. The original post was in the interest of getting people's opinions. I said I use them However I never used them until I was 28. I never said I can't use them.. like you said earlier, it's your prerogative what you do with your body as it is mine. Whether I use them or not has nothing to do with the post or you for that matter, because you and I aren't fucking and never will. Still it the interest of good conversation read all my replies before you make ignorant comments People were pulling you up on the pull out comment... and you having said you dont worry about pregnancy as you use it
This.
Plus no one knows who u are replying to when you don't quote the post"
Hahaha ok thanks, shows how often I frequent forums. |
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" My pull out game is strong so I don't worry about her getting pregnant.
You can get pregnant from pre-cum as well. Fucking idiot women if they listen to you."
We're all adults and have the capacity to make own choices. Some of the comments on here are retarded |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"That's because I agree with everyone's comments. I said the pull out comment out of sheer banter and ignorance. I'm not afraid to admit when I say ignorant and stupid things, hence no response. Obviously I know the risk of unprotected sex with regards to pregnancy which is why I made the point in the first post. As the conversation digressed i made the comment on pulling out for a laugh to see people's reactions. People's are very opinionated and I thought it would make humorous conversation.. nothing more. Don't take yourself so seriously because it is easy for you to sell people a dream on here but half of the people on Fab are fake anyway... only you know if your replies are genuine or if you said them to impress others reading.. mine were all honest or for a laugh in the interest in playing devils advocate.. There was a time in my life when I actually believed my pull out game was strong.. yes stupid I know and then you grow up.. and now I said it again for a laugh.. So shoot me..."
I just checked one off the forum bingo card - 'I said something ignorant just for a laugh"
What else can we check off today? |
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"That's because I agree with everyone's comments. I said the pull out comment out of sheer banter and ignorance. I'm not afraid to admit when I say ignorant and stupid things, hence no response. Obviously I know the risk of unprotected sex with regards to pregnancy which is why I made the point in the first post. As the conversation digressed i made the comment on pulling out for a laugh to see people's reactions. People's are very opinionated and I thought it would make humorous conversation.. nothing more. Don't take yourself so seriously because it is easy for you to sell people a dream on here but half of the people on Fab are fake anyway... only you know if your replies are genuine or if you said them to impress others reading.. mine were all honest or for a laugh in the interest in playing devils advocate.. There was a time in my life when I actually believed my pull out game was strong.. yes stupid I know and then you grow up.. and now I said it again for a laugh.. So shoot me..."
You clearly have too much time on your hands. |
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By *unLuvazCouple
over a year ago
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"I would say you are right and if you are referring to me.. I said had a sti.. first and last time ever.. but as for the clubs. Who's to know who has what in those places. Hence my original question "
Clubs are no different than anywhere else concerning condoms. Clubs promote safe sex. We are all swinger's whether it be in a club or not. So just because some of us choose to play in clubs doesn't mean we have STI's. |
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