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"I talk to them for a bit. Talk about likes/dislikes, expectations, rules, etc. Guys always say that they 'love pleasuring a woman' but it's not true, in my experience. I might have just had bad luck!" I think its maybe worth remembering that what one women loves might do sweet fa for another, speaking from experience. Not that I claim to be gods gift haha | |||
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"I'm guessing it's your selection criteria if it keeps on happening rather than just a single one off" This This problem is what verifications are for!! | |||
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"This may just be my relative naivety and lack of confidence... But I really don't know how to deal with crap sex during meets. I try and give some guidance, but mostly it's just ignored. I also tell guys before I meet them what I like. But again, that's mostly ignored. I might just be picking the wrong guys, but I've been really underwhelmed by all of them so far! I've found guys to be generally pretty selfish and a bit lazy. I've yet to have an orgasm from a single guy I've met, unless I've taken matters into my own hands (literally!) So, ladies, I was wondering what you would do in these situations? And guys, is it OK to just stop you and tell you I'm not enjoying it?!! I don't like awkward conversations... ha. " Go with a couple, preferably us | |||
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"I read verifications. I'm yet to read one that says 'to be honest, he's not that good at oral.' Nobody would ever be brutally honest..." You need to look for ones that say OMG this guy is great at oral, no less than great veris in the area that you get the most out of! | |||
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"How would one feel if they were told in the middle of sex they were crap.. "prefer to be told" doesnt really make you want to stay and talk about how crap you was.. " you don't tell them they're crap though, just that you don't like what they're doing and prefer it a different way. although i have told guys as they're leaving that i don't want to see them again, but never said it was because they were crap. | |||
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"I read verifications. I'm yet to read one that says 'to be honest, he's not that good at oral.' Nobody would ever be brutally honest..." Touche | |||
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"This may just be my relative naivety and lack of confidence... But I really don't know how to deal with crap sex during meets. I try and give some guidance, but mostly it's just ignored. I also tell guys before I meet them what I like. But again, that's mostly ignored. I might just be picking the wrong guys, but I've been really underwhelmed by all of them so far! I've found guys to be generally pretty selfish and a bit lazy. I've yet to have an orgasm from a single guy I've met, unless I've taken matters into my own hands (literally!) So, ladies, I was wondering what you would do in these situations? And guys, is it OK to just stop you and tell you I'm not enjoying it?!! I don't like awkward conversations... ha. " the guys must be very self absorbed if they can't detect your lack of enjoyment which means only one thing you have been unlucky enough to pick a selfish man and no amount of nudges in the right direction will change that fact the only advice I can give you for avoiding such situations is to have a social that ends in a naughty grope if the grope is good then and only then think about taking it further . taking that route should sort out those who don't have a clue between the sheets | |||
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"Consider if verifications have come from repeat meets. .. if they are really bad would you go back for seconds? " Could be some form of Stockholm syndrome... | |||
"OK, I will heed all the advice. Thank you. And if anyone has any particularly good recommendations of who can break the rut for me, let me know! Hahaha" Hence the real reason of the post | |||
"OK, I will heed all the advice. Thank you. And if anyone has any particularly good recommendations of who can break the rut for me, let me know! Hahaha Hence the real reason of the post " Ha, it wasn't, but hey, I'm an opportunist! | |||
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"I talk to them for a bit. Talk about likes/dislikes, expectations, rules, etc. Guys always say that they 'love pleasuring a woman' but it's not true, in my experience. I might have just had bad luck!" Check out my veri. Drop me a line. | |||
"OK, I will heed all the advice. Thank you. And if anyone has any particularly good recommendations of who can break the rut for me, let me know! Hahaha Hence the real reason of the post Ha, it wasn't, but hey, I'm an opportunist!" I'm fucking awesome at oral on ladies (so I've been told!) and in a hotel right now in York. But you're not bi... | |||
"I'm guessing it's your selection criteria if it keeps on happening rather than just a single one off This This problem is what verifications are for!!" I don't agree....I've met guys with amazing verifications and the sex for me was crap and I'm guessing visa versa. I have great genuine verifications from guys who think I'm amazing bit I've had guys who give basic verifications and don't ask to meet agsin. I guess it's horses for courses. Sex is a very random thing | |||
"OK, I will heed all the advice. Thank you. And if anyone has any particularly good recommendations of who can break the rut for me, let me know! Hahaha Hence the real reason of the post Ha, it wasn't, but hey, I'm an opportunist! I'm fucking awesome at oral on ladies (so I've been told!) and in a hotel right now in York. But you're not bi... " Haha, maybe that's the real reason I'm having problems | |||
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"Consider if verifications have come from repeat meets. .. if they are really bad would you go back for seconds? Could be some form of Stockholm syndrome... " That could be a whole other discussion lol | |||
"This may just be my relative naivety and lack of confidence... But I really don't know how to deal with crap sex during meets. I try and give some guidance, but mostly it's just ignored. I also tell guys before I meet them what I like. But again, that's mostly ignored. I might just be picking the wrong guys, but I've been really underwhelmed by all of them so far! I've found guys to be generally pretty selfish and a bit lazy. I've yet to have an orgasm from a single guy I've met, unless I've taken matters into my own hands (literally!) So, ladies, I was wondering what you would do in these situations? And guys, is it OK to just stop you and tell you I'm not enjoying it?!! I don't like awkward conversations... ha. " If the sex is crap you might as well leave. If a man offered me guidance as to what I was doing wrong during a sexual meet, I would slap his face and leave. Sounds like you are expecting them to perform for you, they are real life men- not walking dildos, bet they would love reading on here you think they were crap XXX | |||
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"I talk to them for a bit. Talk about likes/dislikes, expectations, rules, etc. Guys always say that they 'love pleasuring a woman' but it's not true, in my experience. I might have just had bad luck!" Sounds like real bad luck...but as a previous poster said since its happening often maybe your looking at the wrong type of guy.... what attracts you firstly to the types you're meeting... | |||
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"It's usually the quiet ones who turn out to be sex gods. Avoid anyone who says they can muff dive for hours, that to me throws questions over their actual fucking ability. But then I prefer to be pounded than licked so...." I'm the opposite! So, goes to show that we all need to communicate before getting down to it . Xx | |||
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"OK, I will heed all the advice. Thank you. And if anyone has any particularly good recommendations of who can break the rut for me, let me know! Hahaha" Be assertive, I have found I have so much more fun and pleasure guiding and sometimes ordering the man to do stuff. Communication is the key. You don't need to tell them they are crap, just say what you like or want. It's also ok to say stop and no | |||
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"It's usually the quiet ones who turn out to be sex gods. Avoid anyone who says they can muff dive for hours, that to me throws questions over their actual fucking ability. But then I prefer to be pounded than licked so...." | |||
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"This may just be my relative naivety and lack of confidence... But I really don't know how to deal with crap sex during meets. I try and give some guidance, but mostly it's just ignored. I also tell guys before I meet them what I like. But again, that's mostly ignored. I might just be picking the wrong guys, but I've been really underwhelmed by all of them so far! I've found guys to be generally pretty selfish and a bit lazy. I've yet to have an orgasm from a single guy I've met, unless I've taken matters into my own hands (literally!) So, ladies, I was wondering what you would do in these situations? And guys, is it OK to just stop you and tell you I'm not enjoying it?!! I don't like awkward conversations... ha. " I'm shocked that you are asking is I ok to stop if your not enjoying it, maybe the question here is why would you continue if your not enjoying yourself? | |||
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"This may just be my relative naivety and lack of confidence... But I really don't know how to deal with crap sex during meets. I try and give some guidance, but mostly it's just ignored. I also tell guys before I meet them what I like. But again, that's mostly ignored. I might just be picking the wrong guys, but I've been really underwhelmed by all of them so far! I've found guys to be generally pretty selfish and a bit lazy. I've yet to have an orgasm from a single guy I've met, unless I've taken matters into my own hands (literally!) So, ladies, I was wondering what you would do in these situations? And guys, is it OK to just stop you and tell you I'm not enjoying it?!! I don't like awkward conversations... ha. " NO - under no circumstances should you tell us to stop and point us in the right direction.. .... ffs.. YES of course tell us to stop and tell us what you like and how you like it, scream it into our faces of need be ... males for the most part (myself included) are dumb creatures who need direction... | |||
"I talk to them for a bit. Talk about likes/dislikes, expectations, rules, etc. Guys always say that they 'love pleasuring a woman' but it's not true, in my experience. I might have just had bad luck!" Please please don't say all, as someone who suffers early ejac probs I try to give her as good a orgasm as she has had oraly, well iv been told that before I hope it's true lol | |||
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"I've had one regular meet that has yet to even ....how to put this... find the right place to put it. I haven't found a way to tell him yet or find a way to stop meeting cause he's a nice enough guy. No one on here BTW." Stockholm syndrome? | |||
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"This may just be my relative naivety and lack of confidence... But I really don't know how to deal with crap sex during meets. I try and give some guidance, but mostly it's just ignored. I also tell guys before I meet them what I like. But again, that's mostly ignored. I might just be picking the wrong guys, but I've been really underwhelmed by all of them so far! I've found guys to be generally pretty selfish and a bit lazy. I've yet to have an orgasm from a single guy I've met, unless I've taken matters into my own hands (literally!) So, ladies, I was wondering what you would do in these situations? And guys, is it OK to just stop you and tell you I'm not enjoying it?!! I don't like awkward conversations... ha. " Speaking from experience as a couple who enjoy MMF meets. Wife claims that only aprox 1 in 5 meets are sexually satisfying for her. She says majority of males spend a lot of time doing what THEY think is right. Its very difficult and somewhat insulting to stop them...end result is she usually fakes orgasms and is left frustrated. On reflection we feel that maybe its the surreal situation and expectations to please that affects the situation. A regular f/b is def the answer!! | |||
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"Ok I've just looked at you profile and the first line says "Need a guy to sort me out in the gym... And the bedroom!" ... A) change your profile ... " I just want to second this, taken with the age range you are asking for, it is no surprise you are getting a high proportion of immature, narcissistic, selfish gym bunnies. And in your profile say what you like. At a meet, rather than say 'don't do that' it is better to say 'do do this' or 'I like this'. Positive feedback is hot. Hope that helps Q | |||
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"This may just be my relative naivety and lack of confidence... But I really don't know how to deal with crap sex during meets. I try and give some guidance, but mostly it's just ignored. I also tell guys before I meet them what I like. But again, that's mostly ignored. I might just be picking the wrong guys, but I've been really underwhelmed by all of them so far! I've found guys to be generally pretty selfish and a bit lazy. I've yet to have an orgasm from a single guy I've met, unless I've taken matters into my own hands (literally!) So, ladies, I was wondering what you would do in these situations? And guys, is it OK to just stop you and tell you I'm not enjoying it?!! I don't like awkward conversations... ha. " Your veris say you have only met one man? | |||
"I obviously discuss wants/needs in depth, as I've previously stated. I feel 'you're looking for a fuck' is very accusatory, although completely misplaced on a site like this - isn't everyone?! " Not everyone is here for the sex on its own every person wants different things. Maybe add more information on your profile. I personally don't want fuck & go and say that. My chats are more non sexual (amazing how much I learn that way!) And if I'm not sure about even meeting for coffee then I say no thank you. I'd rather by passing the odd good one rather than see a load of disappointments. | |||
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"Ok I've just looked at you profile and the first line says "Need a guy to sort me out in the gym... And the bedroom!" This sends me (and probably any other guy) a message that; you just want a fuck and aren't fussy about who or how or even what you really want. It's JUST a fuck you want! But your post says you have a specific set of requirements that aren't being met. But you've not mentioned them, so how does the guy your looking for know? By the time you've met, he's got expectations of what he's going to do to you, and his dick is in control. The only bit of his brain that might still working is his ego -and that says to any bloke "YOUR THE BEST SHAGGER IN THE WORLD!" So of course his not going to, either listen to what your saying, or what your trying to say. He's THE BEST so how can he do it wrong! So my advise is A) change your profile - tell them you have specific requirements from your lover! that will reduce the men that will respond. B) Ask for a courteous lover that will again reduce the men that apply (eliminate the egoists wham bam's). C) Then discuss your want/needs before ever meeting. get him to confirm he can meet your req's. D) Then meet socially (no sex) and see how he treats you, if you do click go to E E) Go to 2nd base on the 2nd meet. Don't forget this site is full of men looking for a quick shag to relieve their needs. And your expecting them to meet your needs. F) stop being so needy. Its a turn off for guys, as much as a needy guy is a turn off for women. Good hunting. " 1. I obviously am very fussy, and I find the accusation that I'm not actually a bit of an insult. I do not 'shag' just anyone, far far from it. I have no idea what the gym thing has to do with anything. I do attract guys that look after themselves so thought I'd ask the question, and I've actually found a couple of guys to help me train without sex being on the agenda. No harm in that! Or perhaps that's a completely alien concept? 2. In terms of specific requirements, I always have the conversation about it before arranging a meet. I am very clear about rules, likes, dislikes, etc. I also spend plenty of time chatting to the guys before anything happens. The last meet, for example, we spent about 2 hours talking before getting down to it. I trust that's acceptable? 3. I won't change my profile. I had my list of requirements and rules on there previously, and it didn't make a difference. I talk to guys for long enough before arranging a meet, so I'm confident that's not the issue. I asked for the specific advise as to what to do in the situation if I'm not enjoying it, and what others have done in that situation. 4. I could write absolutely anything on my profile and still get the same men responding. It's not a problem, as I said, I don't arrange meets with every guy who messages. But again, that isn't the advice I asked for. 5. As I've said a few times, no guy is going to say that he's average in bed if he wants sex. And verifications are also unreliable. 6. If I had the time to meet socially, I wouldn't be on here. But I do ensure there's plenty of time for it during meets. And I have had meets that have turned into socials when we've realised we don't click. 7. I'll be as needy as I bloody well want!! It's incredibly contradictory to say that. So if I feel my needs aren't being met, I should shut up because the guy might get turned off!!? Wow. Think someone has watched too much porn if that's your attitude towards a woman's role during sex... | |||
"This may just be my relative naivety and lack of confidence... But I really don't know how to deal with crap sex during meets. I try and give some guidance, but mostly it's just ignored. I also tell guys before I meet them what I like. But again, that's mostly ignored. I might just be picking the wrong guys, but I've been really underwhelmed by all of them so far! I've found guys to be generally pretty selfish and a bit lazy. I've yet to have an orgasm from a single guy I've met, unless I've taken matters into my own hands (literally!) So, ladies, I was wondering what you would do in these situations? And guys, is it OK to just stop you and tell you I'm not enjoying it?!! I don't like awkward conversations... ha. Your veris say you have only met one man? " I've been on previously and deleted my profile, so lost verifications. I also don't have loads of meets, and I'm actually happy to just have one verification tbh. | |||
"Ok I've just looked at you profile and the first line says "Need a guy to sort me out in the gym... And the bedroom!" ... A) change your profile ... I just want to second this, taken with the age range you are asking for, it is no surprise you are getting a high proportion of immature, narcissistic, selfish gym bunnies. And in your profile say what you like. At a meet, rather than say 'don't do that' it is better to say 'do do this' or 'I like this'. Positive feedback is hot. Hope that helps Q" I can't help being attracted to guys around my age who look after themselves... | |||
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"Having needs is not the same as being needy...." Yes...? | |||
"This may just be my relative naivety and lack of confidence... But I really don't know how to deal with crap sex during meets. I try and give some guidance, but mostly it's just ignored. I also tell guys before I meet them what I like. But again, that's mostly ignored. I might just be picking the wrong guys, but I've been really underwhelmed by all of them so far! I've found guys to be generally pretty selfish and a bit lazy. I've yet to have an orgasm from a single guy I've met, unless I've taken matters into my own hands (literally!) So, ladies, I was wondering what you would do in these situations? And guys, is it OK to just stop you and tell you I'm not enjoying it?!! I don't like awkward conversations... ha. Your veris say you have only met one man? I've been on previously and deleted my profile, so lost verifications. I also don't have loads of meets, and I'm actually happy to just have one verification tbh." Tbh the few meets we have had have been good in one way or another - it hasn't been mind blowing sex by others that have joined us but I think it's fair to say they have all brought something to the table - having said that- for me the fact that Mark is always there and knows exactly what I like makes sure that each meet ends up great | |||
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"This may just be my relative naivety and lack of confidence... But I really don't know how to deal with crap sex during meets. I try and give some guidance, but mostly it's just ignored. I also tell guys before I meet them what I like. But again, that's mostly ignored. I might just be picking the wrong guys, but I've been really underwhelmed by all of them so far! I've found guys to be generally pretty selfish and a bit lazy. I've yet to have an orgasm from a single guy I've met, unless I've taken matters into my own hands (literally!) So, ladies, I was wondering what you would do in these situations? And guys, is it OK to just stop you and tell you I'm not enjoying it?!! I don't like awkward conversations... ha. " Giving pointers to what you like / dislike is a good thing, i usually ask anyway as its no good me fiddling with her little toe for half hour when i could be concentrating on areas she does like. Be more dominent on your likes as a lot of guys won't give oral but expect it in return, if you are getting shit sex after you have told them give the same in return or say you have an headache & end the meet. | |||
""And guys, is it OK to just stop you and tell you I'm not enjoying it?" For me, No, it would not be OK, then again I wouldnt meet if there were constraints. " Why wouldn't it be OK? Sex is consensual | |||
"Ok I've just looked at you profile and the first line says "Need a guy to sort me out in the gym... And the bedroom!" ... A) change your profile ... I just want to second this, taken with the age range you are asking for, it is no surprise you are getting a high proportion of immature, narcissistic, selfish gym bunnies. And in your profile say what you like. At a meet, rather than say 'don't do that' it is better to say 'do do this' or 'I like this'. Positive feedback is hot. Hope that helps Q I can't help being attracted to guys around my age who look after themselves..." And how's that working out for you ? Ask yourself why the sex is crap . The answer is staring you in the face if you think about it . | |||
""And guys, is it OK to just stop you and tell you I'm not enjoying it?" For me, No, it would not be OK, then again I wouldnt meet if there were constraints. " So you don't give a shit if the woman is enjoying it it not, so long as you get your rocks off your happy eh? | |||
""And guys, is it OK to just stop you and tell you I'm not enjoying it?" For me, No, it would not be OK, then again I wouldnt meet if there were constraints. " why couldn't someone stop if it was crap. ive done this often in clubs. yes Op its okay to just say sorry not feeling it if you have tried to do everything to get them to improve. and id not say its bad luck..there are just an awful lot of guys on here who think that emptying their balls is enough | |||
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"you are picking the wrong guys, and the age group too is also bad. older men know what they are doing and care what they do also, where younger ones sorry lads but it true only care about what can be done for them" not true at all in my case. older guys have done a surprise blow and go on me, and one thought it was ok to have sex with me in my sleep. but some have been good also. i've had a lot of good sex with guys in their 20s and 30s. and none of them have tried to con me into blow and go. | |||
"I'm guessing it's your selection criteria if it keeps on happening rather than just a single one off - how are you picking these guys? It should be pretty routine to discuss likes etc before a meet and for that to be respected " | |||
"To carry on when a woman wants to stop is assault. Someone can say stop or no at any point." I have had some say stop - and when I did - they were disappointed as that was part of their fantasy. Always agree a safe word beforehand... | |||
"It's usually the quiet ones who turn out to be sex gods. Avoid anyone who says they can muff dive for hours, that to me throws questions over their actual fucking ability. But then I prefer to be pounded than licked so.... I'm the opposite! So, goes to show that we all need to communicate before getting down to it . Xx " | |||
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"Ok I've just looked at you profile and the first line says "Need a guy to sort me out in the gym... And the bedroom!" This sends me (and probably any other guy) a message that; you just want a fuck and aren't fussy about who or how or even what you really want. It's JUST a fuck you want! But your post says you have a specific set of requirements that aren't being met. But you've not mentioned them, so how does the guy your looking for know? By the time you've met, he's got expectations of what he's going to do to you, and his dick is in control. The only bit of his brain that might still working is his ego -and that says to any bloke "YOUR THE BEST SHAGGER IN THE WORLD!" So of course his not going to, either listen to what your saying, or what your trying to say. He's THE BEST so how can he do it wrong! So my advise is A) change your profile - tell them you have specific requirements from your lover! that will reduce the men that will respond. B) Ask for a courteous lover that will again reduce the men that apply (eliminate the egoists wham bam's). C) Then discuss your want/needs before ever meeting. get him to confirm he can meet your req's. D) Then meet socially (no sex) and see how he treats you, if you do click go to E E) Go to 2nd base on the 2nd meet. Don't forget this site is full of men looking for a quick shag to relieve their needs. And your expecting them to meet your needs. F) stop being so needy. Its a turn off for guys, as much as a needy guy is a turn off for women. Good hunting. 1. I obviously am very fussy, and I find the accusation that I'm not actually a bit of an insult. I do not 'shag' just anyone, far far from it. I have no idea what the gym thing has to do with anything. I do attract guys that look after themselves so thought I'd ask the question, and I've actually found a couple of guys to help me train without sex being on the agenda. No harm in that! Or perhaps that's a completely alien concept? 2. In terms of specific requirements, I always have the conversation about it before arranging a meet. I am very clear about rules, likes, dislikes, etc. I also spend plenty of time chatting to the guys before anything happens. The last meet, for example, we spent about 2 hours talking before getting down to it. I trust that's acceptable? 3. I won't change my profile. I had my list of requirements and rules on there previously, and it didn't make a difference. I talk to guys for long enough before arranging a meet, so I'm confident that's not the issue. I asked for the specific advise as to what to do in the situation if I'm not enjoying it, and what others have done in that situation. 4. I could write absolutely anything on my profile and still get the same men responding. It's not a problem, as I said, I don't arrange meets with every guy who messages. But again, that isn't the advice I asked for. 5. As I've said a few times, no guy is going to say that he's average in bed if he wants sex. And verifications are also unreliable. 6. If I had the time to meet socially, I wouldn't be on here. But I do ensure there's plenty of time for it during meets. And I have had meets that have turned into socials when we've realised we don't click. 7. I'll be as needy as I bloody well want!! It's incredibly contradictory to say that. So if I feel my needs aren't being met, I should shut up because the guy might get turned off!!? Wow. Think someone has watched too much porn if that's your attitude towards a woman's role during sex..." So why does'nt your profile say that ? I can only guess from you comments that your too busy to writ a decent one! Hence you get what you ask for - simples. | |||
"I've yet to have an orgasm from a single guy I've met, unless I've taken matters into my own hands (literally!) " Sounds like a challenge... | |||
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"This may just be my relative naivety and lack of confidence... But I really don't know how to deal with crap sex during meets. I try and give some guidance, but mostly it's just ignored. I also tell guys before I meet them what I like. But again, that's mostly ignored. I might just be picking the wrong guys, but I've been really underwhelmed by all of them so far! I've found guys to be generally pretty selfish and a bit lazy. I've yet to have an orgasm from a single guy I've met, unless I've taken matters into my own hands (literally!) So, ladies, I was wondering what you would do in these situations? And guys, is it OK to just stop you and tell you I'm not enjoying it?!! I don't like awkward conversations... ha. " If you're getting ignored - stop. I wouldn't even suggest anything else, that's meet over. any decent guy will appreciate feedback, guidance and anyone who thinks "they know best" just shows an arrogance that isn't probably going to cut it either. Personally I'd rather someone tell me it's not working and call it a day. You can't please all the people all of the time. Saying that, I'd like to think most guys in this scene have had plenty of experience. Unfortunately I've seen it first hand lots of guys seem very 1 dimensional in their approach to playing. Good luck. It's your body, your fun. Do it your way. D | |||
"I never expect the sex to be good on a first meet because, basically I'm bloody hard to please lol. That's why I like friends we can meet up with regularly and get to know what makes each other tick. Mrs x" | |||
"I read verifications. I'm yet to read one that says 'to be honest, he's not that good at oral.' Nobody would ever be brutally honest..." This is one of the funniest threads I've read in ages. But I feel you. The struggle is real! I tend to stick to clubs that way if the sex is bad you can move on. I only meet one on one if we have played before. That way I know I'm not wasting my time. Though I probably wouldn't say anything unless it was painful or weird or annoying. Id just try and get it over with. | |||
"This may just be my relative naivety and lack of confidence... But I really don't know how to deal with crap sex during meets. I try and give some guidance, but mostly it's just ignored. I also tell guys before I meet them what I like. But again, that's mostly ignored. I might just be picking the wrong guys, but I've been really underwhelmed by all of them so far! I've found guys to be generally pretty selfish and a bit lazy. I've yet to have an orgasm from a single guy I've met, unless I've taken matters into my own hands (literally!) So, ladies, I was wondering what you would do in these situations? And guys, is it OK to just stop you and tell you I'm not enjoying it?!! I don't like awkward conversations... ha. " Wrong guys | |||
"I read verifications. I'm yet to read one that says 'to be honest, he's not that good at oral.' Nobody would ever be brutally honest..." Some of us genuinely enjoy pleasuring a lady .. I prefer to give pleasure and have lots of teasing and foreplay rather than penetration .. Teasing and sucking your clit with a finger just inside you and make sure you cum which is the biggest turn on and enjoyment for me .. Penetration is over rated ... A long teasing wank after she cums first is heaven | |||