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It sounds like subspace with a risky turn. You're not supposed to discuss engaging in r.a.c.k. (Risk Accepted Concentual Kink) play with your sub if they're still in their sub space, because in that mind set they may agree to risky play without understanding the dangers. In effect their self preservation instincts are suspended I n the subspace because they are trusting you (the Dom) to protect them .
I'd say yes it's possible if there was not a clear negotiation of limits before hand, and a Dom who's an irresponsible sadist. |
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Thank God a genuinely interesting thread and one in which I had to look up the subject matter, so thank you.
I agree somewhat with the above post to the extent the definition encompasses wanting more than originally negotiated whilst under the influence of endorphins. Sub frenzy also covers the newness to the area of kink and wanting more play and more types of play than is sensible or would be wanted in a normal state. The comparison I would give is there is a minority of people that join Fab and sees the sweetshop is available to them and want every conceivable type of sweet without being sensible to their own safety and well being. The problem is there are opportunists in the instances of "sub frenzy" and "Fab frenzy"that will take advantage of newbies or the unsettled mind state. The opportunist relying on one of two excuses. Firstly that without the sub clearly saying "no" the sub is consenting to whatever happens. The other excuse was how would the dom know it was anything other than genuine consent?
I had a big row on a thread on a certain famous fetish site in regard to the withdrawal of consent after the scene. I said that doms should take care to ensure they have genuine consent and the sub is fully aware at all times to what they are agreeing (particularly in the case newbies who may feel disempowered in certain situations). As a minimum the dom should regularly check in with sub and also not to depart from the original negotiation.
I was shot down in flames! The view was stated that adults have a responsibility for themselves and the dom has no responsibility if the sub does not say "no".
I suppose it is the difference between USA and Britain or maybe telling lions not to eat gazelles will never work. |
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The part about an adult being responsible for themselves is partly right. However when a sub is truly in the moment (subspace though I have always been a tad uncomfortable with that term. Don't know why) they do lose a lot of self control and self determination depending on how deep that moment is.
I have been in situations where if the Dom Were to order me to do something I wouldn't normally consider OK I'm not sure whether I could stop myself. That might sound daft to some but this is coming from a rational educated controlled thinker in normal life. However the boundaries when in "subspace" proper are pulled down and you have to rely on your choice of Dom.
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If a Dom breaks from the pre-negatiated boundaries of a scene without very clear consent then he or she opens themselves up to accusations of assault or rape. Depending on how they have deviated.
Of course the issue of agreed non consent is something else entirely and the discussion of boundaries can be different for everyone.
Sub frenzy is very common in new subs I've found. It is down to the Dom to slow them down and introduce them to the right way to do things and step up progressively, discussing inbetween the direction to go in. Not when he or she has put the sub in subspace and he/she knows damn well that sub would agree to an awful lot more than they otherwise would.
That's my take on it anyway I'm sure there are a gazillion others. |
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"If a Dom breaks from the pre-negatiated boundaries of a scene without very clear consent then he or she opens themselves up to accusations of assault or rape. Depending on how they have deviated.
Of course the issue of agreed non consent is something else entirely and the discussion of boundaries can be different for everyone.
Sub frenzy is very common in new subs I've found. It is down to the Dom to slow them down and introduce them to the right way to do things and step up progressively, discussing inbetween the direction to go in. Not when he or she has put the sub in subspace and he/she knows damn well that sub would agree to an awful lot more than they otherwise would.
That's my take on it anyway I'm sure there are a gazillion others. "
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"If a Dom breaks from the pre-negatiated boundaries of a scene without very clear consent then he or she opens themselves up to accusations of assault or rape. Depending on how they have deviated.
Of course the issue of agreed non consent is something else entirely and the discussion of boundaries can be different for everyone.
Sub frenzy is very common in new subs I've found. It is down to the Dom to slow them down and introduce them to the right way to do things and step up progressively, discussing inbetween the direction to go in. Not when he or she has put the sub in subspace and he/she knows damn well that sub would agree to an awful lot more than they otherwise would.
That's my take on it anyway I'm sure there are a gazillion others.
I agree with you but l think we are in a minority "
Lol that's a place I've been in since I can remember. I got used to that a long time ago  |
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"If a Dom breaks from the pre-negatiated boundaries of a scene without very clear consent then he or she opens themselves up to accusations of assault or rape. Depending on how they have deviated.
Of course the issue of agreed non consent is something else entirely and the discussion of boundaries can be different for everyone.
Sub frenzy is very common in new subs I've found. It is down to the Dom to slow them down and introduce them to the right way to do things and step up progressively, discussing inbetween the direction to go in. Not when he or she has put the sub in subspace and he/she knows damn well that sub would agree to an awful lot more than they otherwise would.
That's my take on it anyway I'm sure there are a gazillion others.
I agree with you but l think we are in a minority
Lol that's a place I've been in since I can remember. I got used to that a long time ago "
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There has to be some trust built up. Once that has built then a lot more can be explored, even leading to play with no safewirda and no limits.
New subs (and Doms I suppose) can give that trust a little too freely for safety in the first flush of their enthusiasm for the new playground.
Some Doms take care during that exciting, dangerous phase, and some don't - but maybe Dom isn't the best word to describe someone who would take advantage like that?
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