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"I'm wondering what would put people off swinging clubs. And what might encourage you to go. We've met loads of couples and singles who once the've tried it always come back for more. Were just wondering if you havnt gone to one yet why havnt you. There's no rite or wrong answer here, just honesty. Thanks for reading this and looking forward to hearing your replys. " Pretty much 90% of the things I read on this forum puts me off going to a swinging club. I just feel that so many of the stories, descriptions and people who write them, just don't seem to be what I'm looking for. It's fair enough I guess, I - and my man - have more than enough fun using this website for what we get out of it. We don't need swingers clubs on top of that, maybe it'll change, maybe not. | |||
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"for us think its just teh general nerves, i know we have been told you dont have to play....... but afraid i will feel pressured and more will be expected of me than i am prepared to give on the night. probably a silly thought i know !!!!! xxx " I feel the opposite is true of clubs. I feel that Im expected to give more on a one to one meeting. If we met another couple or a single guy then I would feel odd if I said no to full sex, but i dont feel at all perturbed to only go as far as I wish at a swinging club. Its easy to just stop and walk out of the room I am in or move away in the jacuzzi etc. The only thing that puts me off swinging clubs is the amount of single pushy guys. Most single guys are great, friendly, good to chat to, funny etc, but then there are those that will try and touch as soon as they think im distracted by playing with my partner, ill feel an extra pair of hands on me that i havent said yes to | |||
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"I love going to clubs as I am a bit of a voyeur and love to watch! I also love spending time in the jacuzzi and meeting like-minded people in a safe environment. If I find peeps that tickle my fancy while I am there, then so much the better! " Took the words right out of my mouth. I'm a member of Chams so that I can relax with like minded people. If I get chance to play, so much the better. If not its a great night out with good peeps. To one of the above... There is no pressure to do anything you dont want to. And with respect to the "hot tubs full of icky stuff..." Dont drink it... and the showers and soap dont cost extra. ALL IMHO | |||
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"We've never had any fancy, and I doubt that we ever will fancy going to a swingers club. The idea of using beds, hot tubs, jacuzzis which have been used by countless others and have christ knows what bodily fluids and other gunk on them or in them puts us off big time ... sleezy is how we regard them No thanks ... we're probably wrong in our perception, but have no real desire to be pursuaded otherwise. We're quite happy with the odd meet we have at home or at the occasional social. But, as is often said, "each to their own" what works for some doesn't always work for others " funnily enough we use club f but never play there. spunk soaked beds are hardly appealing and guys with erections in the hot tub are a real no no. apart from that its very relaxed and no one is at all pushy. tho if we had to choose between clubs and meeting couples 1 on 1 clubs would come a distant second | |||
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"The idea of using beds, hot tubs, jacuzzis which have been used by countless others and have christ knows what bodily fluids and other gunk on them or in them puts us off big time ... sleezy is how we regard them No thanks ... we're probably wrong in our perception, but have no real desire to be pursuaded otherwise. We're quite happy with the odd meet we have at home or at the occasional social. But, as is often said, "each to their own" what works for some doesn't always work for others " The beds can be full of anything, which does make it sleazy, but only if sleazy dirty people use them, there are materials to hand in most clubs to wipe beds before and after you use them, the Jacuzzi cleaning system is as good as it gets, it is no different than using public baths, gymnasiums, hotel jacuzis, sunbeds and so on. I have often found that such equipment is sometimes cleaned by the "Last to use" and sometimes not, therefore I always clean any such equipment before I use it. I will be honest, I think of those that don't trust the hygiene of a leatherette mattress that you can wipe before you get on it more "dodgy" for a home meet because you have to rely on thier personal hygene standards in thier own homes and if they haven't got the inclination or gumption to clean before they use ...... what about thier own sheets, beds, bathroom, settee, quilt, mattress, floor Please don't take this personally it is a general thought because many feel the same way you do and I know for as many dodgy people in home meets there are 3 that are immaculate and hygene concious | |||
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"We are members of Chameleons, Darlaston. It took us a year to pluck up the courage to go. We had preconceived ideas that the club would be full of "pretty people" and that if we went, we would feel like the odd couple, lol. We also thought it might be full of sex predators, and pushy people. We are happy to report that our fears were unfounded and we have really enjoyed our membership so far. So if a club had a night set up only for a social night would you have gone there earlyer? We would recommend club virgins to go and experience the club scene for yourselves. If you only meet couples, go on a couples night, all clubs have them I believe. " | |||
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"We've never had any fancy, and I doubt that we ever will fancy going to a swingers club. The idea of using beds, hot tubs, jacuzzis which have been used by countless others and have christ knows what bodily fluids and other gunk on them or in them puts us off big time ... sleezy is how we regard them No thanks ... we're probably wrong in our perception, but have no real desire to be pursuaded otherwise. We're quite happy with the odd meet we have at home or at the occasional social. But, as is often said, "each to their own" what works for some doesn't always work for others " Pretty much sums up my _iew! I've never had sex with someone I don't know let alone a group in front of others! Nothing in the club scene appeals to me! What I find annoying is people telling me I should try it and go! I've reached the ripe old age of 50 following my own mind. I'm a firm believer in doing what makes you happy, clubs work for some, they do nothing for me! | |||
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"i've been to a few clubs and find them to be such friendly places. I also think they can be an instant cure for anyone with body issues....libertys do a great buffet too. " ahhhhhhhh so thats where it all goes then eh ? | |||
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"I'm wondering what would put people off swinging clubs. And what might encourage you to go. We've met loads of couples and singles who once the've tried it always come back for more. Were just wondering if you havnt gone to one yet why havnt you. There's no rite or wrong answer here, just honesty. Thanks for reading this and looking forward to hearing your replys. " I haven't been put off going, I've been a couple of times but what does make me uncomfortable when I get there are the single males who insist on following me round. I have trouble making eye contact with people because I don't want to encourage that. If I want to play with someone then they'll know, I'm capable of making it clear. Following me round in such an obvious way is going to do the exact opposite. I like to feel relaxed and having someone traipse round after me doesn't do that. | |||
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" Pretty much 90% of the things I read on this forum puts me off going to a swinging club. I just feel that so many of the stories, descriptions and people who write them, just don't seem to be what I'm looking for. It's fair enough I guess, I - and my man - have more than enough fun using this website for what we get out of it. We don't need swingers clubs on top of that, maybe it'll change, maybe not." We are exactly the same...plus the fact we dont swing in the 'accepted sense'..its bad enough being known as 'boring vanilla's on here..let alone in a club! The thing that really puts us off though is the stories about single guys...cant stand being hassled by people at the best of times, let alone by cock happy single blokes looking for a notch on the bedpost... Plus the thought of HAVING to wear a towel all the time...???? in some places...why for fucks sake? Someone mentioned in a post about 'how friendly everyone is' in a club...of course they are friendly...they want to fuck you/your wife for god sake A salesman is 'friendly' when he wants to strip you of your life savings buying a conservatory.. We did consider socials until we were told that they are a slimmed down version of a club..again full of single guys..No offence single guys by the way, im sure some of you are very genuine and honest..some swingers want the world to know about their lifestyle, we cant run the risk of a single guy saying 'hey guess who I saw going into a swingers club/social the other night' We have no problem with gen swinging couples...we would have no problem chatting etc in a room full of them...swingers seem a really nice non judgemental group of people..thats why we love this site.. Very good question by the OP btw.. | |||
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"I know Chams in Newport restrict the amount of single guys now ....me and my friends have experienced single guys who just come over and start groping once there is play in motion. Mostly the guys ask though so just a minority spoil it for others." | |||
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"So far its because: A) I'm a single guy, there is an abbundance of us already and i'm not the most attractive one about so feel i'd lose out (both sexually and socially) B) No current motor transport, so getting to and from involves expensive taxis (premium rate after dark) Both reasons involve losing a potential £70+ and it may seem only a small amount to some people but at the moment i'm on a tight budget." Same for me Could not have put that any better. | |||
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"So far its because: A) I'm a single guy, there is an abbundance of us already and i'm not the most attractive one about so feel i'd lose out (both sexually and socially) B) No current motor transport, so getting to and from involves expensive taxis (premium rate after dark) Both reasons involve losing a potential £70+ and it may seem only a small amount to some people but at the moment i'm on a tight budget." Well said, I find the fact they charge single guys more than couples and single women an insult and a piss take, hence I wont go. There is no reason why we should get charged more apart from the fact they know some idiots will pay it | |||
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"So far its because: A) I'm a single guy, there is an abbundance of us already and i'm not the most attractive one about so feel i'd lose out (both sexually and socially) B) No current motor transport, so getting to and from involves expensive taxis (premium rate after dark) Both reasons involve losing a potential £70+ and it may seem only a small amount to some people but at the moment i'm on a tight budget. Well said, I find the fact they charge single guys more than couples and single women an insult and a piss take, hence I wont go. There is no reason why we should get charged more apart from the fact they know some idiots will pay it " and won't go to nightclubs because they charge women less or nothing to get in. Won't insure your car because most companies charge less for women drivers. Insist on paying triple or quadruple the price for a haircut so that you are paying the same amount as women do. What a strange life you lead | |||
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"So far its because: A) I'm a single guy, there is an abbundance of us already and i'm not the most attractive one about so feel i'd lose out (both sexually and socially) B) No current motor transport, so getting to and from involves expensive taxis (premium rate after dark) Both reasons involve losing a potential £70+ and it may seem only a small amount to some people but at the moment i'm on a tight budget. Well said, I find the fact they charge single guys more than couples and single women an insult and a piss take, hence I wont go. There is no reason why we should get charged more apart from the fact they know some idiots will pay it and won't go to nightclubs because they charge women less or nothing to get in. Won't insure your car because most companies charge less for women drivers. Insist on paying triple or quadruple the price for a haircut so that you are paying the same amount as women do. What a strange life you lead" Excuse me? How have you deduced what my life is like from one statement on here. Can you give me one valid reason why single men have to pay more than women and couples in swinging clubs, apart from the fact that they can . | |||
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" won't go to nightclubs because they charge women less or nothing to get in. Won't insure your car because most companies charge less for women drivers. Insist on paying triple or quadruple the price for a haircut so that you are paying the same amount as women do. What a strange life you lead" LOL | |||
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"What puts a lot of folk off who we've spoken to is the cost. Not so much the entrance fee, which is fair enough, but the fact that you have to buy membership. Some may only go once in a blue moon,if ever again. Surely the best thing would be to have free membership and just a pay as you go fee. That would also probably mean a greater turn over of new faces too. XXXX" Most clubs only have a minimal membership fee, Chams used to be £6 for life for couples and single fems and you got a free item of swingers jewelery on membership, I believe that has now increased to £15 for life but am not sure. The law states that to be a member of a private club you have to have paid a membersip fee. Some clubs do charge way too much for membership. As for entry fees, I read a re_iew about a swingers party yesterday in the CLUBS section, they charge £70 to get in but you do get a free glass of champagne on arrival, facilities include free condoms and a 4 bedroom flat. Clubs well let's base it on the one I know best, jacuzzi x 2, steam room, sauna, erotic cinema, heated smoking area, television chill out room, group rooms, private lockable rooms and social areas, a bit more than your average bar I am sure you would agree and those facilities cost money to run without taking into account, maintenance, staffing, public liability insurance cleaning, huge special tax (on all sex venues like clubs and adult cinema's lap dancing clubs etc all in addition to normal business rates and taxes. As for Towel clubs, again Chameleons has the towel option but you don't have to wear a towel, I never do neither does Sasha, she wears either lingerie, sexy outfits, costumes (naughty nurse etc) I wear boxers and a sexy t shirt. I understand why some people will never use clubs and thank my stars we are not all the same but I hope people base that decsision on true facts and informed information not on inaccurate hearsay, the only way to do that is to read the club websites. | |||
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"So far its because: A) I'm a single guy, there is an abbundance of us already and i'm not the most attractive one about so feel i'd lose out (both sexually and socially) B) No current motor transport, so getting to and from involves expensive taxis (premium rate after dark) Both reasons involve losing a potential £70+ and it may seem only a small amount to some people but at the moment i'm on a tight budget. Well said, I find the fact they charge single guys more than couples and single women an insult and a piss take, hence I wont go. There is no reason why we should get charged more apart from the fact they know some idiots will pay it and won't go to nightclubs because they charge women less or nothing to get in. Won't insure your car because most companies charge less for women drivers. Insist on paying triple or quadruple the price for a haircut so that you are paying the same amount as women do. What a strange life you lead Excuse me? How have you deduced what my life is like from one statement on here. Can you give me one valid reason why single men have to pay more than women and couples in swinging clubs, apart from the fact that they can . " Interesting, i had a feeling that question would draw a blank response | |||
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"So far its because: A) I'm a single guy, there is an abbundance of us already and i'm not the most attractive one about so feel i'd lose out (both sexually and socially) B) No current motor transport, so getting to and from involves expensive taxis (premium rate after dark) Both reasons involve losing a potential £70+ and it may seem only a small amount to some people but at the moment i'm on a tight budget. Well said, I find the fact they charge single guys more than couples and single women an insult and a piss take, hence I wont go. There is no reason why we should get charged more apart from the fact they know some idiots will pay it and won't go to nightclubs because they charge women less or nothing to get in. Won't insure your car because most companies charge less for women drivers. Insist on paying triple or quadruple the price for a haircut so that you are paying the same amount as women do. What a strange life you lead Excuse me? How have you deduced what my life is like from one statement on here. Can you give me one valid reason why single men have to pay more than women and couples in swinging clubs, apart from the fact that they can . Interesting, i had a feeling that question would draw a blank response " yeah i got the same response when the same peeps got a bit bored and brave and started getting pissy on one of my posts. unfortunately these douche bags seem to be a by product of the forums | |||
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"I deduced nothing you stated that charging men more than women for the same thing is a piss take, surely you are not a biggot or hypocrit and apply that philosophy to all aspects of your life ? Why would it be wrong for one business to do it and not for another ? Why should women pay more for a cut and blow dry than men, I have longer hair than Sasha and many other women, I always use unisex hairdresser and always have a cut, style and blow dry but pay a quarter of what Sasha pays in the same place. Equality surely is for everyone to be equal if it is equality that you want. As for a valid reason, it is because they can, same as nightclubs, to attract more females, (some private hire firms even charge women and couples less than men) a lap dancing club in Walsall charges women less than men. I am not saying it is right to do it but I live in the real world and attended clubs for many years as a single guy. There is also the fact that many but not all single guys pay less to attend a club than females and couples, they may pay less admission and membership but most single guys don't have the added costs Babysitters Overnight accommodation new outfit new hairdo Most guys attend a club within a 1 hour drive whereas couples tend to drive further to find a club they prefer, this is hard to explain and doesn't apply to all single men but venues like the Private Club in Birmingham and Retro Club in Walsall have girls paid to take care of the guys, so guys will go there, most couples tend to avoid such clubs and will travel further afield to a club that caters for couples first and single guys second. Like it or not it's the real world and a business, sex has always been a business and in the USA some clubs earn $15 million a year, it's no different to Football clubs, they don't want to pay ridiculous wages but they do, they have different rates of entry on the gates, a family ticket to alton towers costs less than 5 guys or girls going in a group. " At the end of the day i think swinging clubs over charge men, the facilities are the same for all so thats why its a piss take, and its my choice to air my opinion in an open forum . To suggest I lead a sad life for having this opinion is both rude and ignorant, | |||
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"So far its because: A) I'm a single guy, there is an abbundance of us already and i'm not the most attractive one about so feel i'd lose out (both sexually and socially) B) No current motor transport, so getting to and from involves expensive taxis (premium rate after dark) Both reasons involve losing a potential £70+ and it may seem only a small amount to some people but at the moment i'm on a tight budget. Well said, I find the fact they charge single guys more than couples and single women an insult and a piss take, hence I wont go. There is no reason why we should get charged more apart from the fact they know some idiots will pay it and won't go to nightclubs because they charge women less or nothing to get in. Won't insure your car because most companies charge less for women drivers. Insist on paying triple or quadruple the price for a haircut so that you are paying the same amount as women do. What a strange life you lead Excuse me? How have you deduced what my life is like from one statement on here. Can you give me one valid reason why single men have to pay more than women and couples in swinging clubs, apart from the fact that they can . Interesting, i had a feeling that question would draw a blank response yeah i got the same response when the same peeps got a bit bored and brave and started getting pissy on one of my posts. unfortunately these douche bags seem to be a by product of the forums" True mate, it can be very clique on here, tends to be the same people who cant accept other peoples opinions without resulting to insults | |||
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"So far its because: A) I'm a single guy, there is an abbundance of us already and i'm not the most attractive one about so feel i'd lose out (both sexually and socially) B) No current motor transport, so getting to and from involves expensive taxis (premium rate after dark) Both reasons involve losing a potential £70+ and it may seem only a small amount to some people but at the moment i'm on a tight budget. Well said, I find the fact they charge single guys more than couples and single women an insult and a piss take, hence I wont go. There is no reason why we should get charged more apart from the fact they know some idiots will pay it and won't go to nightclubs because they charge women less or nothing to get in. Won't insure your car because most companies charge less for women drivers. Insist on paying triple or quadruple the price for a haircut so that you are paying the same amount as women do. What a strange life you lead Excuse me? How have you deduced what my life is like from one statement on here. Can you give me one valid reason why single men have to pay more than women and couples in swinging clubs, apart from the fact that they can . Interesting, i had a feeling that question would draw a blank response yeah i got the same response when the same peeps got a bit bored and brave and started getting pissy on one of my posts. unfortunately these douche bags seem to be a by product of the forums True mate, it can be very clique on here, tends to be the same people who cant accept other peoples opinions without resulting to insults" its pretty funny really but yeah starts to bore you off after a while, when your doing nothing more then everyone else is doing i.e telling a tale, making a witty remark the burden of the single male ha! | |||
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"So far its because: A) I'm a single guy, there is an abbundance of us already and i'm not the most attractive one about so feel i'd lose out (both sexually and socially) B) No current motor transport, so getting to and from involves expensive taxis (premium rate after dark) Both reasons involve losing a potential £70+ and it may seem only a small amount to some people but at the moment i'm on a tight budget. Well said, I find the fact they charge single guys more than couples and single women an insult and a piss take, hence I wont go. There is no reason why we should get charged more apart from the fact they know some idiots will pay it and won't go to nightclubs because they charge women less or nothing to get in. Won't insure your car because most companies charge less for women drivers. Insist on paying triple or quadruple the price for a haircut so that you are paying the same amount as women do. What a strange life you lead Excuse me? How have you deduced what my life is like from one statement on here. Can you give me one valid reason why single men have to pay more than women and couples in swinging clubs, apart from the fact that they can . Interesting, i had a feeling that question would draw a blank response yeah i got the same response when the same peeps got a bit bored and brave and started getting pissy on one of my posts. unfortunately these douche bags seem to be a by product of the forums True mate, it can be very clique on here, tends to be the same people who cant accept other peoples opinions without resulting to insults its pretty funny really but yeah starts to bore you off after a while, when your doing nothing more then everyone else is doing i.e telling a tale, making a witty remark the burden of the single male ha!" lol, they are not all like that, just the odd one, most are helpfull | |||
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"Well said, I find the fact they charge single guys more than couples and single women an insult and a piss take, hence I wont go. There is no reason why we should get charged more apart from the fact they know some idiots will pay it " Yes there is. It keeps the numbers of single men down. If it was equal pricing, less women, less couples and more men would attend, and that's no fun at all. | |||
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" unfortunately these douche bags seem to be a by product of the forums True mate, it can be very clique on here, tends to be the same people who cant accept other peoples opinions without resulting to insults" But you're happy to get all chummy with someone who's resorting to insults in this case? Nice display of irony there. | |||
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"i think i would be nervous about walking into a club on my own with being single and i think i would spend all my time in the jacuzzi. Does anyway no if the club at doncaster is open during the day? " If you mean 101 that's closed down and only opens 1x a month now.. Nearer you are Chambers Sheffield and Partners Bury H. x | |||
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" unfortunately these douche bags seem to be a by product of the forums True mate, it can be very clique on here, tends to be the same people who cant accept other peoples opinions without resulting to insults But you're happy to get all chummy with someone who's resorting to insults in this case? Nice display of irony there." Aaah...you beat me to it!! Was just about to post the same thing! | |||
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" Pretty much 90% of the things I read on this forum puts me off going to a swinging club. I just feel that so many of the stories, descriptions and people who write them, just don't seem to be what I'm looking for. It's fair enough I guess, I - and my man - have more than enough fun using this website for what we get out of it. We don't need swingers clubs on top of that, maybe it'll change, maybe not. We are exactly the same...plus the fact we dont swing in the 'accepted sense'..its bad enough being known as 'boring vanilla's on here..let alone in a club! The thing that really puts us off though is the stories about single guys...cant stand being hassled by people at the best of times, let alone by cock happy single blokes looking for a notch on the bedpost... Plus the thought of HAVING to wear a towel all the time...???? in some places...why for fucks sake? Someone mentioned in a post about 'how friendly everyone is' in a club...of course they are friendly...they want to fuck you/your wife for god sake A salesman is 'friendly' when he wants to strip you of your life savings buying a conservatory.. We did consider socials until we were told that they are a slimmed down version of a club..again full of single guys..No offence single guys by the way, im sure some of you are very genuine and honest..some swingers want the world to know about their lifestyle, we cant run the risk of a single guy saying 'hey guess who I saw going into a swingers club/social the other night' We have no problem with gen swinging couples...we would have no problem chatting etc in a room full of them...swingers seem a really nice non judgemental group of people..thats why we love this site.. Very good question by the OP btw.. " Your opinion about people only being friendly because they want to fuck you is totally wrong! I now many people in the club that I go to that I have known a very long time and have never had sex with. People that have given me help and advise and even put me up for the night when I became stuck all with no sexual payment. You have totally the wrong idea of swingers. | |||
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"So far its because: A) I'm a single guy, there is an abbundance of us already and i'm not the most attractive one about so feel i'd lose out (both sexually and socially) B) No current motor transport, so getting to and from involves expensive taxis (premium rate after dark) Both reasons involve losing a potential £70+ and it may seem only a small amount to some people but at the moment i'm on a tight budget. Well said, I find the fact they charge single guys more than couples and single women an insult and a piss take, hence I wont go. There is no reason why we should get charged more apart from the fact they know some idiots will pay it and won't go to nightclubs because they charge women less or nothing to get in. Won't insure your car because most companies charge less for women drivers. Insist on paying triple or quadruple the price for a haircut so that you are paying the same amount as women do. What a strange life you lead Excuse me? How have you deduced what my life is like from one statement on here. Can you give me one valid reason why single men have to pay more than women and couples in swinging clubs, apart from the fact that they can . Interesting, i had a feeling that question would draw a blank response yeah i got the same response when the same peeps got a bit bored and brave and started getting pissy on one of my posts. unfortunately these douche bags seem to be a by product of the forums True mate, it can be very clique on here, tends to be the same people who cant accept other peoples opinions without resulting to insults" Where was the insult! You just don't like a differing opinion that's all. | |||
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"So far its because: A) I'm a single guy, there is an abbundance of us already and i'm not the most attractive one about so feel i'd lose out (both sexually and socially) B) No current motor transport, so getting to and from involves expensive taxis (premium rate after dark) Both reasons involve losing a potential £70+ and it may seem only a small amount to some people but at the moment i'm on a tight budget." you look alright to me, possibly a bit young though | |||
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" Excuse me? How have you deduced what my life is like from one statement on here. Can you give me one valid reason why single men have to pay more than women and couples in swinging clubs, apart from the fact that they can . " the valid reason why men pay more than women is simple because women wouldnt pay £100 a year membership and £30 each visit, MOST people who use clubs want women, couples, men and other ladies so its in the clubs best interest to let women in cheep Would you go to a club that had no women in because they refused to pay the high prices and was full of couples looking for other couples and 5 dozes single guys wondering around with noone to play with? its unfair but like it or not it works because i wouldnt go as a single female if i had to pay the same as guys, id find someone to go with but the problem then is going as a couple the chances are i wouldnt play with single guys as whoever i went with would probably want to play with couples so they had someone to play with too, and im sure lots of other women would be in the same boat men on here moan a lot about the fact they pay more than women but lost are more than happy to team up with a woman to get in cheaper | |||
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"For those who are still unsure about the cleanliness side, I`ve seen the staff at Chams checking the water samples to ensure the correct chemical content is in the jaccuzzis " Not too worried about the chemical content...its languishing in someone else come and urine thats the offputting factor. | |||
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"For those who are still unsure about the cleanliness side, I`ve seen the staff at Chams checking the water samples to ensure the correct chemical content is in the jaccuzzis Not too worried about the chemical content...its languishing in someone else come and urine thats the offputting factor. " Well in a decent place they ask for no sex in the jaccuzi and in all honesty I would hope that people wouldn't pee in there! Z | |||
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"club owners can invite or reject anyone they want. regardless of the law.they can use any criteria they see fit." They sure can, and they most certainly do! | |||
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" We did consider socials until we were told that they are a slimmed down version of a club..again full of single guys..No offence single guys by the way, im sure some of you are very genuine and honest..some swingers want the world to know about their lifestyle, we cant run the risk of a single guy saying 'hey guess who I saw going into a swingers club/social the other night' " What makes you so sure it would be a single guy who said that, single fems, and couples are just as likely to be indiscreet. | |||
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"whilst we understand your concerns and agree with you club owners can invite or reject anyone they want. regardless of the law.they can use any criteria they see fit." Yes but that is not always a bad thing, Chameleons for instance will not allow groups of guys entry, this is because generally that can attract the wrong kind of guys, the group mentality kicks in and they tend to stay in a group within the club and move around like a pack which can put off a lot of couples/single fems. As for the type of single male, this varies from time to time, the owners try to keep a balance of single males, sometimes they won't let larger guys join, other times it is older guys that are not permitted membership, being young or muscular can even stop you becoming a member, yes that's true, it is not a club for any one group of people, it is not all large guys, slim guys, young guys, body beautifull or old guys, they keep a close eye on attendance and increase any shortfall from time to time so that every member, couples, single fems and single guys feels comfortable with like minded and like bodied/aged people around them. There is often a waiting list there for new single male members as they keep the balance of numbers as fair as possible so that single guys are not in overwhelming numbers but there are enough to go round, so as more couples and single females join more single guys can join, this makes the experience better for everyone. Single guys do follow couples and single females round in many clubs, it is a bit of a catch 22 for them, if they sit around waiting to be invited it may never happen, if a couple head off to the play areas they could wait 5 minutes then take a wander down to see if they are looking for a guy(s) to join them, but if they do that someone else might get there first, catch 22, sit and be polite wait for the couple to settle and miss your chance or follow to see if they are looking for a single guy, nobody can win. Generally as soon as a couple go into a room and shut the door they wander off realising this is not the time, there are a few idiot exceptions to the rule of course. The best advice I can give to the single guys is to chat to couples and single females in the social areas, ok some people will shun you but most will at least chat even if they are not looking to play with you. Approach in a casual, friendly way, make a conversation, "Hi your nice wanna shag" never works for me but I keep trying it. Always approach both members of a couple if you ignore either person you will probably fail to make an impression. Even straight guys like to chat, they like to be acknowledged, if you hope to gain thier trust and respect in order to allow you to join them it is important to speak to them, women have a mind of thier own, don't say to the guy "does she play with single guys" it is an insult to the womans intelligence assuming she cannot speak for herself. Single women are social animals not just there to shag, they like to chat too and be respected show them you like them for themselves not just for a quickie. | |||
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"I'm a single female and a member of Chams ...I am not the most confident person but I come alive when I'm at the club. It doesn't even matter if I get to play as the social aspect is just as appealing to me. Each to their own I suppose but I would highly recommend it " I feel exactly the same as you, I too 'come alive' I feel sexy and confident, not at all the way I feel outside the club. I have found clubs (TownHouse and Chams)a great night out and I dont just mean for sex! | |||
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"Being from the "land of the moving curtain" and "cockle women" its the fear of seeing someone you know! " But surely anyone there who knows you are there for the same reason as you. Can't imagine them standing in your corner shop saying: "Well then, we were up the swinging club Saturday night and guess who we seen? Jones the swap from number 9, duw duw, who'd have thought it?". Glass houses and stones comes to mind! XXXX | |||
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"Being from the "land of the moving curtain" and "cockle women" its the fear of seeing someone you know! But surely anyone there who knows you are there for the same reason as you. Can't imagine them standing in your corner shop saying: "Well then, we were up the swinging club Saturday night and guess who we seen? Jones the swap from number 9, duw duw, who'd have thought it?". Glass houses and stones comes to mind! XXXX" It isn't just about seeing someone you know - it can just as easily be about being seen by someone who knows you but you either don't see or don't know. | |||
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"Being from the "land of the moving curtain" and "cockle women" its the fear of seeing someone you know! But surely anyone there who knows you are there for the same reason as you. Can't imagine them standing in your corner shop saying: "Well then, we were up the swinging club Saturday night and guess who we seen? Jones the swap from number 9, duw duw, who'd have thought it?". Glass houses and stones comes to mind! XXXX It isn't just about seeing someone you know - it can just as easily be about being seen by someone who knows you but you either don't see or don't know. " Deep | |||
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"Being from the "land of the moving curtain" and "cockle women" its the fear of seeing someone you know! But surely anyone there who knows you are there for the same reason as you. Can't imagine them standing in your corner shop saying: "Well then, we were up the swinging club Saturday night and guess who we seen? Jones the swap from number 9, duw duw, who'd have thought it?". Glass houses and stones comes to mind! XXXX" You dont know the Welsh. | |||
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"Being from the "land of the moving curtain" and "cockle women" its the fear of seeing someone you know! But surely anyone there who knows you are there for the same reason as you. Can't imagine them standing in your corner shop saying: "Well then, we were up the swinging club Saturday night and guess who we seen? Jones the swap from number 9, duw duw, who'd have thought it?". Glass houses and stones comes to mind! XXXX It isn't just about seeing someone you know - it can just as easily be about being seen by someone who knows you but you either don't see or don't know. Deep " Yeah. Me and Donald Rumsfelt. | |||
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"So far its because: A) I'm a single guy, there is an abbundance of us already and i'm not the most attractive one about so feel i'd lose out (both sexually and socially) B) No current motor transport, so getting to and from involves expensive taxis (premium rate after dark) Both reasons involve losing a potential £70+ and it may seem only a small amount to some people but at the moment i'm on a tight budget. Well said, I find the fact they charge single guys more than couples and single women an insult and a piss take, hence I wont go. There is no reason why we should get charged more apart from the fact they know some idiots will pay it and won't go to nightclubs because they charge women less or nothing to get in. Won't insure your car because most companies charge less for women drivers. Insist on paying triple or quadruple the price for a haircut so that you are paying the same amount as women do. What a strange life you lead" | |||
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"Being from the "land of the moving curtain" and "cockle women" its the fear of seeing someone you know! But surely anyone there who knows you are there for the same reason as you. Can't imagine them standing in your corner shop saying: "Well then, we were up the swinging club Saturday night and guess who we seen? Jones the swap from number 9, duw duw, who'd have thought it?". Glass houses and stones comes to mind! XXXX You dont know the Welsh. " I was a kid in Mountain Ash and my dad was from Pontypridd. So yes, I do know how hypocritically pious he could be, especially where sex was concerned, lol. R XX | |||
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" But surely anyone there who knows you are there for the same reason as you. Can't imagine them standing in your corner shop saying: "Well then, we were up the swinging club Saturday night and guess who we seen? Jones the swap from number 9, duw duw, who'd have thought it?". Glass houses and stones comes to mind! I was a kid in Mountain Ash and my dad was from Pontypridd. So yes, I do know how hypocritically pious he could be, especially where sex was concerned, lol. R XX" Some Welsh people just love to have a good natter about someone else, its a hobby, it would be a case of they "heard from so and so, that Mr and Mrs Rabbit" Oh and its Dew Dew | |||
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" But surely anyone there who knows you are there for the same reason as you. Can't imagine them standing in your corner shop saying: "Well then, we were up the swinging club Saturday night and guess who we seen? Jones the swap from number 9, duw duw, who'd have thought it?". Glass houses and stones comes to mind! I was a kid in Mountain Ash and my dad was from Pontypridd. So yes, I do know how hypocritically pious he could be, especially where sex was concerned, lol. R XX Some Welsh people just love to have a good natter about someone else, its a hobby, it would be a case of they "heard from so and so, that Mr and Mrs Rabbit" Oh and its Dew Dew " Well with a name like Mr and Mrs Rabbit what do you expect? As for D*w D*w, give it a Google, my old man was forever saying it. R XX | |||
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" But surely anyone there who knows you are there for the same reason as you. Can't imagine them standing in your corner shop saying: "Well then, we were up the swinging club Saturday night and guess who we seen? Jones the swap from number 9, duw duw, who'd have thought it?". Glass houses and stones comes to mind! I was a kid in Mountain Ash and my dad was from Pontypridd. So yes, I do know how hypocritically pious he could be, especially where sex was concerned, lol. R XX Some Welsh people just love to have a good natter about someone else, its a hobby, it would be a case of they "heard from so and so, that Mr and Mrs Rabbit" Oh and its Dew Dew " It's spelled Duw but it's pronounced Dew. I got that from Max Boyce. I know because I was there. | |||
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"The clubs in the uk are ok but not as good as Germany and Holland. The clubs here seem to me and the ones I have been to like Unit 18 are horrid,too many single men all wanting you and not taking NO for an answer,its best to go as a couple or you will get harassed. Some people do not understand the word NO" Simple solution to that would seem to be - only go to clubs on Couples nights? - we do! | |||
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"thanks misstress one look at you no one would play with me lol your too sexy hun lol xx" I would have to disagree , juicy . Your not bad yourself | |||
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"with us, it's the fact that single men won't back the hell off when told!" Go along on a couples only night, but the clubs that we go to now tend to have very well behaved guys! Z | |||
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"I have been to a club just the once , been searching for a female partner to accompany me but its not happening at the moment . I am bit shy going in as a single male but I think I need to make a visit . Can anyone reccomend a club in the northwest or w.mids ?" There are a few clubs in Manchester and a couple in the Midlands just look in the clubs section x | |||
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"Clubs are not for me personally, I'm not sure anything would actually put me off if I went I just don't fancy the idea of them " I know what ya mean kev . But I am sure there must be one like me that does nt flaunt it about so much and will want to play in a private room . New sheets please lol | |||
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"What puts a lot of folk off who we've spoken to is the cost. Not so much the entrance fee, which is fair enough, but the fact that you have to buy membership. Some may only go once in a blue moon,if ever again. Surely the best thing would be to have free membership and just a pay as you go fee. That would also probably mean a greater turn over of new faces too. XXXX" Havent been to any other club than Chams in Newport, but there the Membership fee for a couple is £6 for life, if I remember correctly. | |||
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"I love ourplacefor fun. The organisers have strict rules for single guys and enforce them. Putting hands on a lady without first asking and getting permission is just not done. I love the environment and feel quite at home. Whether you are invited to play depends on your social skills, so yes, there is a risk. You may have to go outside your comfort zone, but that happens in a vanilla environment too. From what I have seen, females are treated with respect. No one is expected to play and a good number will come just to watch and take in the atmosphere." I would expect most clubs worth there salt would have rules of conduct regardless of whether it is single men or couples... as couples can be as bad in clubs as single guys Actually the best clubs tend to be fairly "self policing" as if stuff is done wrong tend to be told straight away.... chatting to people and most couples are shocked that I am not a "greedy girl night" person... I tend to stick to mixed nights only... and my biggest bug bear is actually single guys who wont say boo to a goose... patrol all the play areas, and then if there are any playing, tend to be the 1st ones with there cocks out..... I find mixed nights for me tend to be a lot more sociable which suits me.... | |||
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"As already mentioned before, I love going to clubs, and am now a member of Chams as a single fem. The staff there look after me, and I always feel very at ease from the moment I arrive. I have not encountered too much unwanted attention, only the odd wandering hand or grope, which is delt with swiftly by a polite no thank you and icy stare afterwards if I feel I am being followed. Nothing that I cannot handle. A good way to explore clubs is to participate in an organised event. This way, one will not be on his/her/their own, as there will be others about to show them the ropes and guide them etc... Give clubs a go and decide for yourselves before dismissing them based on re_iews I'd say. " That's a good idea - I mean the attending an organised event. Am I correct in assuming that you don't need to already be a member of the club to attend such an event? | |||
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"tons of single guys who never ask just think its there right to just join in not all let me just add ok" you do get that.... some singles guys are just too tight to pay... sorry but it is true.. heard that said at more than one house party some singles guys won't go because for the money they are paying apparently that is no "guarentee of action" (i really hate that phrase.. but i have heard it used by more than one occasion) hence the well worn phrase "i want a handholder to go with me..." and lets finally tell it like it is on a lot of occasions....lets be honest now do you know what the biggest impediment to single guys...... its other single guys!!!! and that is the truth Single guys who don't know how to behave.. who decide to touch without asking...who decide they won't try out other areas if there aren't naked people in there... who won't say boo to a goose, who are the first people who have there cocks out anytime anyone is on a bed.... who loiter outside playing rooms and patrol all the playing areas in packs like hyenas praying on meat! if single guys acted like normal human beings then clubs would be more inclined to let more in instead of placing limits... and couples would be more inclined to play with single guys full stop!! its true.... | |||
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"Oh dear, there I was all ready to try a club for the first time but after reading more of this thread my initial reservation have returned. I'm with you Dirtydesires and do not think clubs are for me." I am certainly not tarring them all with the same brush but have heard many negative comments about clubs in general and like you have many reservations to begin with anyway, so will give them a miss...but I do know many Fab members attend and love them...just not for me... | |||
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"That's a good idea - I mean the attending an organised event. Am I correct in assuming that you don't need to already be a member of the club to attend such an event?" . That is true for Chams at least - just need to pay the normal entrance fee for single fem/gent or couple, no need for membership fee. | |||
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"I've never been to a club as I just could not play with a stranger and was also concerned of married men attending but did sometimes wonder what the clubs were like...now however after reading some replies on here....I do not think I will ever visit one." don't be put off by it.. and this is what I will say The good points of most clubs will always outweigh the bad... people have there pre-conceived notions of what a club is going to be like, but until YOU walk through the doors you will never know... when you walk thru that door and see that people are normal, just like you, those notions will go away..... people will talk to you, we all remember what is was like the first time we went, and some of the stories will make you laugh and laugh some single guys aren't always the best, but at all times no means no, and the true genuine single blokes will always stand out..... | |||
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"I've never been to a club as I just could not play with a stranger and was also concerned of married men attending but did sometimes wonder what the clubs were like...now however after reading some replies on here....I do not think I will ever visit one. don't be put off by it.. and this is what I will say The good points of most clubs will always outweigh the bad... people have there pre-conceived notions of what a club is going to be like, but until YOU walk through the doors you will never know... when you walk thru that door and see that people are normal, just like you, those notions will go away..... people will talk to you, we all remember what is was like the first time we went, and some of the stories will make you laugh and laugh some single guys aren't always the best, but at all times no means no, and the true genuine single blokes will always stand out....." My reservations are none of what you mentioned, I simply could not be intimate with a stranger, so clubs do not appeal to me anyway.... | |||
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" My reservations are none of what you mentioned, I simply could not be intimate with a stranger, so clubs do not appeal to me anyway...." in which case then with the greatest of respect if you basing it on that, as well as on "hearsay" then you were never going to go.... and that the thread isn't really aimed at you.... others then should bear that in mind in this thread..... | |||
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"As a single guy ( I know one of many) its simply the cost. One club in London charges £70 for an afternoon session. And £50 at the door at night. " I don't worry so much about the cost.... it just means that you can't go "as often" then.... if people want to go, they will find a way, and if that means saving up.. then it means saving up!! | |||
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" My reservations are none of what you mentioned, I simply could not be intimate with a stranger, so clubs do not appeal to me anyway.... in which case then with the greatest of respect if you basing it on that, as well as on "hearsay" then you were never going to go.... and that the thread isn't really aimed at you.... others then should bear that in mind in this thread..... " One of the questions in the opening thread was, if you haven't gone, why not? I was answering that! | |||
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"As a single guy ( I know one of many) its simply the cost. One club in London charges £70 for an afternoon session. And £50 at the door at night. I don't worry so much about the cost.... it just means that you can't go "as often" then.... if people want to go, they will find a way, and if that means saving up.. then it means saving up!!" Lol it must just be my Yorkshireman's attitude! I aint a skinflint but the cost just doesn't seem reasonable to me. I'd rather meet someone off of here and entertain them. We could have a damn good drink and a meal and good company, all for less than the price of a singles admission and membership charge. Sounds like the better deal to me. | |||
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"tons of single guys who never ask just think its there right to just join in not all let me just add ok you do get that.... some singles guys are just too tight to pay... sorry but it is true.. heard that said at more than one house party some singles guys won't go because for the money they are paying apparently that is no "guarentee of action" (i really hate that phrase.. but i have heard it used by more than one occasion) hence the well worn phrase "i want a handholder to go with me..." and lets finally tell it like it is on a lot of occasions....lets be honest now do you know what the biggest impediment to single guys...... its other single guys!!!! and that is the truth Single guys who don't know how to behave.. who decide to touch without asking...who decide they won't try out other areas if there aren't naked people in there... who won't say boo to a goose, who are the first people who have there cocks out anytime anyone is on a bed.... who loiter outside playing rooms and patrol all the playing areas in packs like hyenas praying on meat! if single guys acted like normal human beings then clubs would be more inclined to let more in instead of placing limits... and couples would be more inclined to play with single guys full stop!! its true.... " I dont mind being a handholder if they have the transport lol plus I am a member but a lot dont like to travel this is what puts them off even though I have offered to go halves on petrol and entrance fee | |||
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"The price, if we attended Chams we'd be charged the rate of sngle guy's " That so wrong,so you would have to pay 2 single guys price when you are a couple? | |||
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"That so wrong,so you would have to pay 2 single guys price when you are a couple?" Yes, we had this discussion with senior management at Chams, although we've been together 22 years and can prove it via joint mortgage / bank a/c's etc., etc., they refuse to recognise us as a couple, there "excuse" if we do for one, we'd have to do it for every "male" couple. Oh, they said we could attend on "Bi" night We're not into attending Gay venue’s, we prefer the social aspect with other swinger's, hence, why we attend social events. | |||
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"That so wrong,so you would have to pay 2 single guys price when you are a couple? Yes, we had this discussion with senior management at Chams, although we've been together 22 years and can prove it via joint mortgage / bank a/c's etc., etc., they refuse to recognise us as a couple, there "excuse" if we do for one, we'd have to do it for every "male" couple. Oh, they said we could attend on "Bi" night We're not into attending Gay venue’s, we prefer the social aspect with other swinger's, hence, why we attend social events." Surely thats discriminatling (sorry about spelling) you both for being in a same sex relationship? You would think in this day and age they would change the rules x | |||
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"Surely thats discriminatling " No, it's a private members club, and therefore they make the rules! Doesn't mean we have to agree with them! | |||
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"Surely thats discriminatling No, it's a private members club, and therefore they make the rules! Doesn't mean we have to agree with them! " Hang on, if a hotel can be done for discriminating against same sex couples as I belive one was this year, then the club should tread very warily as they could find themselves in court. It would make more sense for them to be "progressive" and set an example to other swingers clubs and allow same sex couples, who can prove they are a couple, to register as couples. | |||
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"Surely thats discriminatling No, it's a private members club, and therefore they make the rules! Doesn't mean we have to agree with them! " Im not so sure about that...if they put 'no blacks or pakistanis' they wouldnt get away with it under the race relations act...so it could be the same under the equal opps act.. Interesting...any briefs in da house? | |||
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"That so wrong,so you would have to pay 2 single guys price when you are a couple? Yes, we had this discussion with senior management at Chams, although we've been together 22 years and can prove it via joint mortgage / bank a/c's etc., etc., they refuse to recognise us as a couple, there "excuse" if we do for one, we'd have to do it for every "male" couple. Oh, they said we could attend on "Bi" night We're not into attending Gay venue’s, we prefer the social aspect with other swinger's, hence, why we attend social events." I looked the changes in the law that came into effect on the 1st october, and this is what we just about figured out.... reading thru the act as we speak now the protected status's in the act are.... disability, gender realignment, Pregnancy and Maternity, race, religion, Sex and Sexual Orientation..... doesn't say anything about marital status though..... therefore if you go as a "couple" and consider yourself to be a "couple", then that isn't covered.... so they can charge couples differently then they can singles....... so from what I read, Technically you can't differently charge single guys and single fems...... or between Couples (MM),Couples (MF) and Couples (FF) However in Clubs CAN still have different rules attached to the different types (so before two single guys decide to test the "couple" thing.... I wouldn't be surprised if they put in a "stay together play together" clause to make people think twice about it......) under the act you are Allowed to positively discriminate for groups of people that are "under represented" as long as you can show that such measures are useful for redress the balances.... and we all know that people section under-represented at clubs are "single fems".... so that is why you can charge people different amounts..... this applies to all sorts of clubs including private members ones.... so if you have the documents from your civil ceremony if you have had one then I don't see how they can then discriminate...... | |||
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"That so wrong,so you would have to pay 2 single guys price when you are a couple? Yes, we had this discussion with senior management at Chams, although we've been together 22 years and can prove it via joint mortgage / bank a/c's etc., etc., they refuse to recognise us as a couple, there "excuse" if we do for one, we'd have to do it for every "male" couple. Oh, they said we could attend on "Bi" night We're not into attending Gay venue’s, we prefer the social aspect with other swinger's, hence, why we attend social events. I looked the changes in the law that came into effect on the 1st october, and this is what we just about figured out.... reading thru the act as we speak now the protected status's in the act are.... disability, gender realignment, Pregnancy and Maternity, race, religion, Sex and Sexual Orientation..... doesn't say anything about marital status though..... therefore if you go as a "couple" and consider yourself to be a "couple", then that isn't covered.... so they can charge couples differently then they can singles....... so from what I read, Technically you can't differently charge single guys and single fems...... or between Couples (MM),Couples (MF) and Couples (FF) However in Clubs CAN still have different rules attached to the different types (so before two single guys decide to test the "couple" thing.... I wouldn't be surprised if they put in a "stay together play together" clause to make people think twice about it......) under the act you are Allowed to positively discriminate for groups of people that are "under represented" as long as you can show that such measures are useful for redress the balances.... and we all know that people section under-represented at clubs are "single fems".... so that is why you can charge people different amounts..... this applies to all sorts of clubs including private members ones.... so if you have the documents from your civil ceremony if you have had one then I don't see how they can then discriminate...... " A very in depth answer to the question, and I'd like to say thank you for it, as I hadn't had the time to do the research yet. But I still see a minefield for the clubs if they stick to their rules as they stand. Firstly if they are going to require FF and MM couples to prove there connection to each other then the same criteria will have to be applied to MF couples or else they are still discriminating. As for the idea of a "stay together play together" clause that could be a whole different kettle of fish, and I cant see how it could be applied. Regarding "Technically you can't differently charge single guys and single fems" and the technicality of "under the act you are Allowed to positively discriminate for groups of people that are "under represented" as long as you can show that such measures are useful for redress the balances...." I would have to question whether it is in fact a fit way to redress the balance. As where there is a positive there must be a negative. And other ways to balance out the number of couples of all types/single fems/single guys could be applied just as reliably and without a discriminatory difference in the entrance fee. I'm going to bow out and leave it to the legal guys if something like this ever does go to court. My brain cells wont take much more! But, very well put Fabio and thanks again. | |||
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"the reason I looked into it for my local club is that some single guys thought they could try and use the changes in the law to either drop the prices for entry.... when actually what would have more likely happened would that clubs would have either started charging single women the same as single men... or just gone couples only.... all a club would really need to do in regards to single women would be for a couple of weeks put the price up... show the women that would desert it... and then put it back down again.... the couples stuff is always interesting... waiting to see if a MM couple will end up challenging this, I think in law this would need defining..." Just heard on the radio mf couples challenging for the right to civil partnerships rather than marriage. Wonder how that will go down in the courts. | |||
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"However in Clubs CAN still have different rules attached to the different types (so before two single guys decide to test the "couple" thing.... " Very interesting _abio, and thank you for taking the time to research. Challenging any clubs rules creates an issue in itself, how many MM / FF couples could ride the publicity generated by challenging such a decision, a large portion of the general public / red top press have a different opinion towards swingers | |||
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"For me to go to a club for the first time, i'd need someone to take me along with them, firstly so I know i'll get home safe and two it would make me feel more comfortable being with someone who knows what there doing at a club. I have a fantasy of going along with a couple and having people just watch me play, but still waiting xx" move closer! | |||
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"Reading all the very interesting replies here we have concluded that clubs are not for the faint hearted and for us, even as non swingers the negatives that have been high lighted seem to outweigh the positives.. " The thread title doesn't invite a balanced _iew, really. | |||
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"Reading all the very interesting replies here we have concluded that clubs are not for the faint hearted and for us, even as non swingers the negatives that have been high lighted seem to outweigh the positives.. " The thread title doesn't invite a balanced _iew, really. | |||
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"Why not just make up your own mind and go and check out a good club yourseves. Yes these are peoples opinions but you can only make a decision if you have seen a well run club yourselves all the positive feedback on the club re_iews are reasons why people love clubs so dont knock it till you have tried it. I absolutely love the club scene and whats great is that you can do what you want without being judged everyone is there for the same reason and the atmosphere is electric and for me it is a total destresser." No point in us going...but I take your well made point...the trouble is if you read about the d*unks, drugs, cliques, dirty beds, (I wont drink out of someone else glass let alone lay on a bed of someones cold cum! lol)single blokes stalking you, and the feeling that you might not fit in then your not, as someone who has never been before your not going to want to waste money seeing if all things are true.. I wish we had a different stand point sometimes because im naturally inquisitive and a bit of a 'people watcher' especially as most swingers come across as pretty nice people. | |||
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"Why not just make up your own mind and go and check out a good club yourseves. Yes these are peoples opinions but you can only make a decision if you have seen a well run club yourselves all the positive feedback on the club re_iews are reasons why people love clubs so dont knock it till you have tried it. I absolutely love the club scene and whats great is that you can do what you want without being judged everyone is there for the same reason and the atmosphere is electric and for me it is a total destresser. No point in us going...but I take your well made point...the trouble is if you read about the d*unks, drugs, cliques, dirty beds, (I wont drink out of someone else glass let alone lay on a bed of someones cold cum! lol)single blokes stalking you, and the feeling that you might not fit in then your not, as someone who has never been before your not going to want to waste money seeing if all things are true.. I wish we had a different stand point sometimes because im naturally inquisitive and a bit of a 'people watcher' especially as most swingers come across as pretty nice people. " Hand on heart I have never had a bad experince at chams why not try one of the socials they are great and a great way to meet other fabsters bbws are great or fems beach party but that wont be till summer just keep a check of events and Most of the good regular visitors especially the ladies carry little hand bag with Disinfectant Spray or wipes and I always clean a room once im finished its about having respect for the place which most do have. | |||
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"Why not just make up your own mind and go and check out a good club yourseves. Yes these are peoples opinions but you can only make a decision if you have seen a well run club yourselves all the positive feedback on the club re_iews are reasons why people love clubs so dont knock it till you have tried it. I absolutely love the club scene and whats great is that you can do what you want without being judged everyone is there for the same reason and the atmosphere is electric and for me it is a total destresser. No point in us going...but I take your well made point...the trouble is if you read about the d*unks, drugs, cliques, dirty beds, (I wont drink out of someone else glass let alone lay on a bed of someones cold cum! lol)single blokes stalking you, and the feeling that you might not fit in then your not, as someone who has never been before your not going to want to waste money seeing if all things are true.. I wish we had a different stand point sometimes because im naturally inquisitive and a bit of a 'people watcher' especially as most swingers come across as pretty nice people. Hand on heart I have never had a bad experince at chams why not try one of the socials they are great and a great way to meet other fabsters bbws are great or fems beach party but that wont be till summer just keep a check of events and Most of the good regular visitors especially the ladies carry little hand bag with Disinfectant Spray or wipes and I always clean a room once im finished its about having respect for the place which most do have." Hi Shaz..Yes we did actually consider a social until a member of here gave us a heads up about our local one..hubs cant cant take the chance of being recognised by the copious amounts of single males that attend though due to work and once people know we dont swing they probably wont want to waste their time chatting to us anyway, I believe 'vanillas' is the term? , Hubs just reminded me of a post we received where we were referred to us as 'boring' vanillas, which isnt really fair as most people we have spoken to will tell you we are a lot of fun. | |||
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"id love to go but havent got the confidence lol plus i dont have anyone to take me " I go on my own all the time and I promise you, I've never felt out of it - I always end up chatting to people. You can meet me there sometime if you ever fancy it? x | |||
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