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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Is it us being out of hand for expecting single guys to travel to us and meet at pub to get to know one another before returning home to ours to play as most guys want us to go to them zero effort on there part |
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"Is it us being out of hand for expecting single guys to travel to us and meet at pub to get to know one another before returning home to ours to play as most guys want us to go to them zero effort on there part "
Funnily enough what you described is our meet tonight |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Is it us being out of hand for expecting single guys to travel to us and meet at pub to get to know one another before returning home to ours to play as most guys want us to go to them zero effort on there part
Funnily enough what you described is our meet tonight"
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By (user no longer on site)
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I have no problem with this, nor should any genuine, single guy. The (growing?) problem seems to be the number of dreamers and fantasists on the site.
I do quite often find that when I offer to travel...then that breaks the ice and, as often ad not, they/she will travel to me anyway.
Good luck in your search anyway......plenty of us decent guys out there too! |
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"Is it us being out of hand for expecting single guys to travel to us and meet at pub to get to know one another before returning home to ours to play as most guys want us to go to them zero effort on there part
Funnily enough what you described is our meet tonight
Not just us then !! "
We would happily travel for the right single guy, if he could accommodate. But most cannot.
Most single guys we have come across do not even want to have drinks or get to know us.
'U WANT SUM FUCK, IM FREE FOR NEXT 2 HOURS'
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"Is it us being out of hand for expecting single guys to travel to us and meet at pub to get to know one another before returning home to ours to play as most guys want us to go to them zero effort on there part
Funnily enough what you described is our meet tonight"
. I nearly always travel and sometimes meet for a drink first , if not straight to the house. An effort is made to be clean tidy and presentable.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Both parties should be expected to show equal effort.........give and take.......a chap ought to make the effort when meeting with anyone, be they single or a couple, but that said, the person or persons should be happy to go out of their way for the chap too.....
Same as any friendship or human relationship, if one half feels they're making more effort than the other it becomes un balancedand thats never good. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have no problem with this, nor should any genuine, single guy. The (growing?) problem seems to be the number of dreamers and fantasists on the site.
I do quite often find that when I offer to travel...then that breaks the ice and, as often ad not, they/she will travel to me anyway.
Good luck in your search anyway......plenty of us decent guys out there too!"
decent guy here also |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have no problem with this, nor should any genuine, single guy. The (growing?) problem seems to be the number of dreamers and fantasists on the site.
I do quite often find that when I offer to travel...then that breaks the ice and, as often ad not, they/she will travel to me anyway.
Good luck in your search anyway......plenty of us decent guys out there too!"
Ah dreamers and fantasists aplenty. That's why I only meet in clubs now. Lost count of the number of fantasists that have said they'd meet. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ah dreamers and fantasists aplenty. That's why I only meet in clubs now. Lost count of the number of fantasists that have said they'd meet."
I do think it's quite possible to filter out dreams at quite an early stage. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Ah dreamers and fantasists aplenty. That's why I only meet in clubs now. Lost count of the number of fantasists that have said they'd meet.
I do think it's quite possible to filter out dreams at quite an early stage."
Wish someone would share this miracle then lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I do think it's quite possible to filter out dreams at quite an early stage.
Wish someone would share this miracle then lol "
Simples. If in doubt over messages, talking over the phone should put the things right in most cases. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is it us being out of hand for expecting single guys to travel to us and meet at pub to get to know one another before returning home to ours to play as most guys want us to go to them zero effort on there part "
Well put and to the point
Many I really think are married and can only do certain times like day times
Or Iam busy after 7pm important job a lot are total waste of time |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have no problem with this, nor should any genuine, single guy. The (growing?) problem seems to be the number of dreamers and fantasists on the site.
I do quite often find that when I offer to travel...then that breaks the ice and, as often ad not, they/she will travel to me anyway.
Good luck in your search anyway......plenty of us decent guys out there too!
Ah dreamers and fantasists aplenty. That's why I only meet in clubs now. Lost count of the number of fantasists that have said they'd meet."
Me too, sadly! The vast majority of my meets now are at clubs and parties - though I intend to meet some guys from the forums in 2015 - when you chat to people over months on the forums they already feel like good ftiends!  xx |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I have to say I've never had any problems with the single men I've met. Most have come to my house after the first social meet although I've visited a few at their house or hotels too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It's catch 22 with so many people saying they have been let down. Most men I meet now come to me and pick me up or get a hotel near me as I don't drive. I know I wouldn't be a no show,they have to trust me and if they get cold feet or are messing me around I haven't lost anything. If I drove it would be a different matter |
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Im lucky have pub next door so meet for drink then can be back at mine within 5 minutes best of both worlds,but i do travel as well but had few no shows on another site so bit weary bout travelling tbh |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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not all single blokes are lazy as in meeting and at least making a good effort i for one is not like that sorry that you come across lazy neanderthal men lol x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don't see a problem in that if a single guy gets on well with the couple before hand ie messaging then yes meet before then go back to yours to have some good fun I know I would do that |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Usually for me, a social before a meet is the norm. Having said that I have been invited round to play straight away and also straight after a social. So no, it's not wrong to expect them to travel, meet socially and then be invited back.
Having said that, I guess I would be a bit peeved if I had travelled many miles, only to be told I'm not compatible. So maybe the question depends on how far they are prepared to travel, for what may just be a drink in a pub? At least it would be a night out! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I generally only do club meets now too due to male time wasters - might as well chill if going to make an effort.  "
That I can understand as tbh there are SOME not all single males here who sadly waste women and couples time and vice versa too tbh I've had that done to me but can happen to anyone be it man or woman who can be time wasters lol which is a damn shame as it cock it up for us all lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's catch 22 with so many people saying they have been let down. Most men I meet now come to me and pick me up or get a hotel near me as I don't drive. I know I wouldn't be a no show,they have to trust me and if they get cold feet or are messing me around I haven't lost anything. If I drove it would be a different matter "
See that I don't mind at all doing but as you say based on trust which lot of people in my opinion forget to or ignore the fact try to build up they just try to go straight to the play |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Would depend how far you expect folk to travel as long as its made clear from outset its just a social and no chance of play then yes i agree but if you dangle the carrot of possible play on first meet then you run the risk of folk making assumptions. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Is it us being out of hand for expecting single guys to travel to us and meet at pub to get to know one another before returning home to ours to play as most guys want us to go to them zero effort on there part "
No I think you aren't the only people that think that. There's a guy who has numerous profiles on here on a month off a month etc and constantly sends the same message each time to as many women as possible just looking for a quick shag. Shame really as there are some decent guys out there but some spoil it for everyone else x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Shame really as there are some decent guys out there but some spoil it for everyone else x"
I totally agree. I think the number of spam/offencive/stupid messages flying around makes it much harder for normal, genuine guys to stand out, and is a huge time waste. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is it us being out of hand for expecting single guys to travel to us and meet at pub to get to know one another before returning home to ours to play as most guys want us to go to them zero effort on there part "
Not at all! I'd be happy to travel and I don't think it's asking too much at all |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is it us being out of hand for expecting single guys to travel to us and meet at pub to get to know one another before returning home to ours to play as most guys want us to go to them zero effort on there part "
This is the right way. Cold invites to a stranger into your home is not good. In a bar you can assess the social skills and if they are clean and tidy!
If you don't click better to sort then rather than in your home.
More single guys say cum round for an hour so you can watch me fuck your wife. Thanks but no thanks. Meet in a bar, chat flirt and mutually agree to take it further. More importantly don't take no thanks as a slapped face. It's the right of anyone playing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This is the right way. Cold invites to a stranger into your home is not good. In a bar you can assess the social skills and if they are clean and tidy!"
As a single guy, I'd be quite happy with that. It's a mutual thing after all, there needs to be a connection and an extra effort, totally fair I think. |
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"Is it us being out of hand for expecting single guys to travel to us and meet at pub to get to know one another before returning home to ours to play as most guys want us to go to them zero effort on there part "
I think its out of hand to EXPECT them to travel to you, why can the travelling not be shared and meet somewhere convenient for all? However you will get a lot of men desperate enough to jump through all sorts of hoops.
I don't think it is out of hand to expect a social meet before play though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I will travel and have done but every time its been to there place and have a brew if its not gonna happen we just have a social but ill only travel within 30 miles from where i live.
Im genuine and respectful but have met people at coffee shops as prefare instead of a pub |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Not at all. I find having a drink in a neutral place first is safe, takes away some of the nerves and it's good to see if you're all compatible.  "
I'm not traveling miles though. |
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By *himaeraWoman
over a year ago
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I've had messages from guys who are miles away, 90 minutes or more. I always refuse to meet them for a social or anything else, as I would feel bad saying no to them if they had travelled a long way. There are always people nearer, and it makes me wonder why they need to contact me when they are so far away? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've had messages from guys who are miles away, 90 minutes or more. I always refuse to meet them for a social or anything else, as I would feel bad saying no to them if they had travelled a long way. There are always people nearer, and it makes me wonder why they need to contact me when they are so far away?"
Because there are never any local women so they feel the need to travel lol.
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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago
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I have had guys who are now friends willing to travel to meet me.
My regular friend travels up from Glasgow and someone I met originally at a social I travelled to drove for 6 hours for an overnight meet.
Sometimes you need to travel to meet the people you want. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I've never had a problem getting guys to travel to me and book a hotel (I pay half I just don't book) I'm very upfront about the way I meet within a couple if messages so if it doesn't suit them we don't normally bother chatting anymore. it's not an issue. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is it us being out of hand for expecting single guys to travel to us and meet at pub to get to know one another before returning home to ours to play as most guys want us to go to them zero effort on there part "
That sounds perfect to me. Although I'm far from being a decent guy |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I have travelled whole of England and Wales to meet ladies. I am a nationwide swinger "
And Tosh comes highly recommended and with glowing references xxx
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I do think it's quite possible to filter out dreams at quite an early stage.
Wish someone would share this miracle then lol
Simples. If in doubt over messages, talking over the phone should put the things right in most cases."
No it doesn't. All that confirms is that they are male and it usually descends into phone sex. Not my idea of fun. I totally refuse to do phone calls. I will meet people inside clubs. If they don't turn up then I still have fun but the number who say they will be there makes me laugh. Total fantasists who are usually then found on the forums whinging that they can't get a meet. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I do think it's quite possible to filter out dreams at quite an early stage.
Wish someone would share this miracle then lol
Simples. If in doubt over messages, talking over the phone should put the things right in most cases.
No it doesn't. All that confirms is that they are male and it usually descends into phone sex. Not my idea of fun. I totally refuse to do phone calls. I will meet people inside clubs. If they don't turn up then I still have fun but the number who say they will be there makes me laugh. Total fantasists who are usually then found on the forums whinging that they can't get a meet."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"All that confirms is that they are male and it usually descends into phone sex. Not my idea of fun. "
Phone sex? I thought that's a mutual thing? I'd just hang up if I think things are going that way. I think having a chat with someone (online, and then maybe on the phone) clears out the picture, makes each other understand if it's just timewasting or real. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I do think it's quite possible to filter out dreams at quite an early stage.
Wish someone would share this miracle then lol
Simples. If in doubt over messages, talking over the phone should put the things right in most cases.
No it doesn't. All that confirms is that they are male and it usually descends into phone sex. Not my idea of fun. I totally refuse to do phone calls. I will meet people inside clubs. If they don't turn up then I still have fun but the number who say they will be there makes me laugh. Total fantasists who are usually then found on the forums whinging that they can't get a meet."
Phone call works for me and not once has it descended into phone sex. I think you just need to be able to apply a bit if common sense to sniff out the fantasists. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Phone call works for me and not once has it descended into phone sex. I think you just need to be able to apply a bit if common sense to sniff out the fantasists."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is it us being out of hand for expecting single guys to travel to us and meet at pub to get to know one another before returning home to ours to play as most guys want us to go to them zero effort on there part
Funnily enough what you described is our meet tonight
Not just us then !!
We would happily travel for the right single guy, if he could accommodate. But most cannot.
Most single guys we have come across do not even want to have drinks or get to know us.
'U WANT SUM FUCK, IM FREE FOR NEXT 2 HOURS'
Enticing "
hey not all are like that i always chat if anything i chat to much but polite and always up for a giggle before anything happens prefers it that way it makes you both feel of ease |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I do think it's quite possible to filter out dreams at quite an early stage.
Wish someone would share this miracle then lol
Simples. If in doubt over messages, talking over the phone should put the things right in most cases.
No it doesn't. All that confirms is that they are male and it usually descends into phone sex. Not my idea of fun. I totally refuse to do phone calls. I will meet people inside clubs. If they don't turn up then I still have fun but the number who say they will be there makes me laugh. Total fantasists who are usually then found on the forums whinging that they can't get a meet.
Phone call works for me and not once has it descended into phone sex. I think you just need to be able to apply a bit if common sense to sniff out the fantasists."
Oh I have no problem with common sense. I can smell BS a mile off. I totally recognise the fantasists and am never let down. They just don't turn up despite 'yes I'll definitely be there' I'm waiting for the day all 5 of them actually all turn up. Could be fun. |
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"I've had messages from guys who are miles away, 90 minutes or more. I always refuse to meet them for a social or anything else, as I would feel bad saying no to them if they had travelled a long way. There are always people nearer, and it makes me wonder why they need to contact me when they are so far away?"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have no problem with single men on here , if it wasn't for the single men I wouldn't even be on Fab ! "
It's the chicken and egg situation.... No men no women, no women no men. The only question is: Who's the Chicken? |
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"I have no problem with single men on here , if it wasn't for the single men I wouldn't even be on Fab !
It's the chicken and egg situation.... No men no women, no women no men. The only question is: Who's the Chicken? "
U really want me to answer that ? |
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I am always happy to travel, and am happy to meet either at someone's home, hotel or public place.
My only bugbear is, if we're gonna meet in a pub, at least select a nice one! I hate going into grimy pubs with sticky floors and one old bloke with 3 teeth propping up the bar. It doesn't send a good impression either  |
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By *adybee77Woman
over a year ago
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I prefer a first meet to be in a neutral location, where there are loads of other people around.
A coffee somewhere is preferable - I've had social meets in the pub when I have been driving and I've stayed on soft drinks, but watching someone descend into being pissed over the course of an evening is unattractive... a slurred chat at the end of an evening is never going to lead to another meet.
I don't expect anyone to travel to me for a start. Social somewhere neutral, and then we both agree where it will be from there. I am happy to travel to theirs or make arrangements. I do not often meet at home as I stay in a small village. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Not all single men go to pubs and drink alcohol.
You don't have to drink alcohol but it's a good neutral public place to meet"
That right, sit at a park bench, more fun and free too |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is it us being out of hand for expecting single guys to travel to us and meet at pub to get to know one another before returning home to ours to play as most guys want us to go to them zero effort on there part "
You say zero effort on their part, but is it not zero effort on your part if you expect them to do all the travelling. Women and couples on here think that single guys are just a commodity and they are doing the guys a favour by agreeing to meet. Meets should be for equal pleasure and the location should be discussed as to which is the most convenient etc. I would see it as more polite for the couple to make the effort as they have each other for moral support whereas a single guy may feel a little apprehensive.
Plus couples are always saying guys didn't show up, if they are offering you to come to them, there is no chance if a no show (unless its a wrong address lol). |
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By *londeCazWoman
over a year ago
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I make it clear in my profile that I won't travel more than 30 mins for an initial social nor expect anyone else to travel any further whether they're willing to or not...if they're within half an hour of Arse End, I'll meet them at my local, if an hour north, there's a nice pub at Ravenglass I use and if an hour south, there's one near to Ulverston...if we both click, then we head back to mine. This works for me |
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"Seems fair to me.
I just wish I could find a nice couple to meet with. It sounds like there are too many bad guys spoiling it for the rest of us!
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How is it fair to expect someone to do all the travelling? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"All that confirms is that they are male and it usually descends into phone sex. Not my idea of fun.
Phone sex? I thought that's a mutual thing? I'd just hang up if I think things are going that way. I think having a chat with someone (online, and then maybe on the phone) clears out the picture, makes each other understand if it's just timewasting or real."
I was having an ordinary chat on the phone once and didn't realise the man was wanking until I heard him orgasm. I had to laugh it was so funny |
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By *odareyouMan
over a year ago
not far from iceland,,,,,, tescos is nearer though :-) (near leeds) |
"Is it us being out of hand for expecting single guys to travel to us and meet at pub to get to know one another before returning home to ours to play as most guys want us to go to them zero effort on there part "
I've always thought that if I'm not comfortable socially with someone then I'm going to find being naked with them very awkward....
I've travelled, I've had folks to mine... 'Expecting' I think is wrong 
asking if they'd be willing to travel would be more my way of approaching things mutual agreement would be better....might be why you've had 15 out of 16 no shoW's  |
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"Is it us being out of hand for expecting single guys to travel to us and meet at pub to get to know one another before returning home to ours to play as most guys want us to go to them zero effort on there part "
No problem with this so long as I can stay the night and travel the morning after. |
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"Is it us being out of hand for expecting single guys to travel to us and meet at pub to get to know one another before returning home to ours to play as most guys want us to go to them zero effort on there part "
If someone doesnt want to travel to you then its thier loss!! They are probably the same guys posting in the forums about not getting a meet lol.
Id certainly make the effort |
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I think it's mad that a single guy expects the female to travel etc, surely the lady holds all the cards that the Single Pringle is on this site to enjoy, so why on earth wouldn't the guy expect to travel? I certainly would, even if nothing happens after the social, at least you've got away from your single, boring life for 1 evening and at least met someone and chatted (hopefully!) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is it us being out of hand for expecting single guys to travel to us and meet at pub to get to know one another before returning home to ours to play as most guys want us to go to them zero effort on there part
Funnily enough what you described is our meet tonight
Not just us then !!
We would happily travel for the right single guy, if he could accommodate. But most cannot.
Most single guys we have come across do not even want to have drinks or get to know us.
'U WANT SUM FUCK, IM FREE FOR NEXT 2 HOURS'
Enticing "
Cannot accommodate normally means attached....so NOT a single guy at all. It is an excellent filter tho. Simple solution. Avoid guys who can't accomodate. Site is full of them lately...fakes n wannabe cheats! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is it us being out of hand for expecting single guys to travel to us and meet at pub to get to know one another before returning home to ours to play as most guys want us to go to them zero effort on there part
Funnily enough what you described is our meet tonight
Not just us then !!
We would happily travel for the right single guy, if he could accommodate. But most cannot.
Most single guys we have come across do not even want to have drinks or get to know us.
'U WANT SUM FUCK, IM FREE FOR NEXT 2 HOURS'
Enticing
Cannot accommodate normally means attached....so NOT a single guy at all. It is an excellent filter tho. Simple solution. Avoid guys who can't accomodate. Site is full of them lately...fakes n wannabe cheats!"
No it doesn't always mean theyare attached at all.
I am sick to death of single guys slagging off other single guys in the hope it makes themselves look better. It just makes them look like sad vindictive arseholes!!!! |
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"Is it us being out of hand for expecting single guys to travel to us and meet at pub to get to know one another before returning home to ours to play as most guys want us to go to them zero effort on there part "
No its you being quite correct and proper when meeting anyone. My view is a social meeting should take place first in order for all to acquaint and decide if matters would be taken further. Common sense always prevails!
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"Is it us being out of hand for expecting single guys to travel to us and meet at pub to get to know one another before returning home to ours to play as most guys want us to go to them zero effort on there part No its you being quite correct and proper when meeting anyone. My view is a social meeting should take place first in order for all to acquaint and decide if matters would be taken further. Common sense always prevails! "
From a sad vindictive arsehole!
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I have arranged to meet a couple before booked the hotel traveled to the hotel for them not to show up
I have made expensive taxi journeys to couples who house ps have looked like skips
I have travelled a good few miles on a train to meet a single woman who was a guy really
I have travelled to a hotel to be greeted by two gay men no woman insight
Now it phone call and a drink or face to face chat before anything.
Dreamers liars idiots losers and ballbags are not killing it it makes it harder but you have to mix the rough with the smooth persistence
And common sense prevail just don't think with your cock or act like one. |
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"I have no problem with this, nor should any genuine, single guy. The (growing?) problem seems to be the number of dreamers and fantasists on the site.
I do quite often find that when I offer to travel...then that breaks the ice and, as often ad not, they/she will travel to me anyway.
Good luck in your search anyway......plenty of us decent guys out there too!
Ah dreamers and fantasists aplenty. That's why I only meet in clubs now. Lost count of the number of fantasists that have said they'd meet.
Me too, sadly! The vast majority of my meets now are at clubs and parties - though I intend to meet some guys from the forums in 2015 - when you chat to people over months on the forums they already feel like good ftiends! xx"
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"Is it us being out of hand for expecting single guys to travel to us and meet at pub to get to know one another before returning home to ours to play as most guys want us to go to them zero effort on there part "
If someone was to reply to me with an invite, I would expect to travel to them and meet on their terms and see what happens. If they cannot be bothered then I would not meet. |
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"Is it us being out of hand for expecting single guys to travel to us and meet at pub to get to know one another before returning home to ours to play as most guys want us to go to them zero effort on there part
Funnily enough what you described is our meet tonight
Not just us then !!
We would happily travel for the right single guy, if he could accommodate. But most cannot.
Most single guys we have come across do not even want to have drinks or get to know us.
'U WANT SUM FUCK, IM FREE FOR NEXT 2 HOURS'
Enticing
Cannot accommodate normally means attached....so NOT a single guy at all. It is an excellent filter tho. Simple solution. Avoid guys who can't accomodate. Site is full of them lately...fakes n wannabe cheats!"
Really??? And what about those who have to house share? Those single dads whose kids visit regularly and those that live with families??? I can now Accomodate but it hasn't always been so easy and I was still a genuine single male. People presume far too much on here!!! |
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"Is it us being out of hand for expecting single guys to travel to us and meet at pub to get to know one another before returning home to ours to play as most guys want us to go to them zero effort on there part
Funnily enough what you described is our meet tonight
Not just us then !!
We would happily travel for the right single guy, if he could accommodate. But most cannot.
Most single guys we have come across do not even want to have drinks or get to know us.
'U WANT SUM FUCK, IM FREE FOR NEXT 2 HOURS'
Enticing
Cannot accommodate normally means attached....so NOT a single guy at all. It is an excellent filter tho. Simple solution. Avoid guys who can't accomodate. Site is full of them lately...fakes n wannabe cheats!
Really??? And what about those who have to house share? Those single dads whose kids visit regularly and those that live with families??? I can now Accomodate but it hasn't always been so easy and I was still a genuine single male. People presume far too much on here!!!"
my fwb cant accommodate as has a child and lives with others, he definitely not married as not a bath texter |
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