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"The safe word should be something you normally would NOT use. I suggest "BAZINGA!!" " Thanks for your suggestion... I'll put it forward for consideration ha | |||
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"That's an interesting story. I also found it quite interesting that you used the metric 'tonnes' instead of the old imperial 'tons'. I might read the other thread now! " The girl spills her guts and that's what you pick up on? Jeez. | |||
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"My safe word is Tottenham - it was Ruby (as Ruby isn't my real name) but then my ex Dom said it in a scene and so I stopped. So we had a conversation about a word that would take a lot of getting out! Something that I wouldn't normally say in a scene. I'm a Chelsea fan and he is an Arsenal fan so Tottenham was born. I would also talk about using a signal if you can't speak (like I said on your other post getting words out with a cock in your mouth is not easy) I think you guys really really need to talk about limits and whether the D/s is going to just in a role play/bedroom situation (and by that I mean with a clearly defined start and finish) or a more lifestyle situation. " James is a through and through tottenham supporter. I think if I shouted that out he wouldn't be stopping lol. But I agree with what you're saying We did discuss the d/s thing a while ago and we decided it was just for the bedroom so we don't lose the intimacy we have together | |||
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"I stand by everything I posted on that thread. You posted a pretty clear opening thread which pretty much everyone interpreted in the same way then changed your version of events because you didn't like how the thread was going. If you put things up for discussion you have to accept it may not go the way you want." | |||
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"I stand by everything I posted on that thread. You posted a pretty clear opening thread which pretty much everyone interpreted in the same way then changed your version of events because you didn't like how the thread was going. If you put things up for discussion you have to accept it may not go the way you want." Please... I didn't change things because I didn't like the response... I realised people were reading what I had written in a different way than I intended. I've been in tears over what people have been saying. He honestly isn't like that. He saved me and my kids from that kind of lifestyle. It killed him to know what is been through | |||
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"Traffic lights make a good safeword, Green, like this but ease off a bit Amber, stop this but don't stop, do something else, Red, stop stop stop Also hand signals, fist to fingers stretched out back to fist and so on, I think what caught you out this morning was context, try a little roleplay, give a scenario you can get involved in, if he just grabs you it can be difficult to rationalize, but if you are both playing a role (nothing major, find a simple sub/captor scenario) you may find you will enjoy it more with the added context " Thank you. That's a really helpful suggestion | |||
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"My safe word is Tottenham - it was Ruby (as Ruby isn't my real name) but then my ex Dom said it in a scene and so I stopped. So we had a conversation about a word that would take a lot of getting out! Something that I wouldn't normally say in a scene. I'm a Chelsea fan and he is an Arsenal fan so Tottenham was born. I would also talk about using a signal if you can't speak (like I said on your other post getting words out with a cock in your mouth is not easy) I think you guys really really need to talk about limits and whether the D/s is going to just in a role play/bedroom situation (and by that I mean with a clearly defined start and finish) or a more lifestyle situation. James is a through and through tottenham supporter. I think if I shouted that out he wouldn't be stopping lol. But I agree with what you're saying We did discuss the d/s thing a while ago and we decided it was just for the bedroom so we don't lose the intimacy we have together " In that case I think you should agree times when the control is going to be handed over. Agree beforehand. It won't lose spontaneity, it'll just make you aware of when the control is being taken which I think could have been the issue this morning. | |||
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"then my ex Dom said it in a scene and so I stopped " You thought your Dom safeworded? Why would a Dom have a safeword? | |||
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"That's an interesting story. I also found it quite interesting that you used the metric 'tonnes' instead of the old imperial 'tons'. I might read the other thread now! The girl spills her guts and that's what you pick up on? Jeez. " "Spilled her guts"..... Yes, I found what she said interesting. I said so in my post. What did you find interesting? Steve. | |||
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"Green, like this but ease off a bit Amber, stop this but don't stop, do something else, Red, stop stop stop " That's not quite the usual interpretation of the words. Green - all ok, carry on Amber - nearing my limits Red - stop, now! Couples can agree whatever meanings they want, of course, but this could cause confusion if playing with, or around, strangers. | |||
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"Green, like this but ease off a bit Amber, stop this but don't stop, do something else, Red, stop stop stop That's not quite the usual interpretation of the words. Green - all ok, carry on Amber - nearing my limits Red - stop, now! Couples can agree whatever meanings they want, of course, but this could cause confusion if playing with, or around, strangers." And this is why each couple have different safewords, the interpretation of the words is different for each couple. | |||
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"I stand by everything I posted on that thread. You posted a pretty clear opening thread which pretty much everyone interpreted in the same way then changed your version of events because you didn't like how the thread was going. If you put things up for discussion you have to accept it may not go the way you want." This! Personally, I think you protest too much! | |||
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" I have a safeword when I top, it's basically quick code for 'it's not you, it's me, and we have to stop now'." Ruby said Dom, if topping perhaps you would need to explain but I would have thought as a Dom you just stop and then perhaps explain afterwards or do something different. D | |||
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" I have a safeword when I top, it's basically quick code for 'it's not you, it's me, and we have to stop now'. Ruby said Dom, if topping perhaps you would need to explain but I would have thought as a Dom you just stop and then perhaps explain afterwards or do something different. D" I just find it's a polite way of signifying to my submissive partner that for some reason that isn't to do with them, I don't want to carry on with the scene. Otherwise you're just stopping abruptly and that's not very nice and leaves them wondering why. It's not always a good time to explain right then. If you have an understanding partner you'll also get loads of cuddles and aftercare, which sometimes even a top/dom needs. | |||
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"I haven't seen your other post but don't feel like you need to or have to justify your relationship or prior post to anyone." I didn't go into a full on explanation in my last post and just gave a gist of the story which led to some sorry consequences | |||
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"We use yellow and red as safe words. But also he can tell From my eyes plus how i move if he needs to stop or ease off" It takes time for that too.. even with experience it can sometimes be got wrong. Cali | |||
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"That's an interesting story. I also found it quite interesting that you used the metric 'tonnes' instead of the old imperial 'tons'. I might read the other thread now! The girl spills her guts and that's what you pick up on? Jeez. "Spilled her guts"..... Yes, I found what she said interesting. I said so in my post. What did you find interesting? Steve." That both are willing to learn about the scene and not winging it. | |||
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"We use yellow and red as safe words. But also he can tell From my eyes plus how i move if he needs to stop or ease off It takes time for that too.. even with experience it can sometimes be got wrong. Cali" Agreed and if he can't see my eyes or hear me, it needs experience and trust for the other to pick up on the body language. | |||
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" If you have an understanding partner you'll also get loads of cuddles and aftercare, which sometimes even a top/dom needs." If a Dom needs, not enjoys giving but needs, cuddles after a scene I think they might be in the wrong place | |||
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"We use yellow and red as safe words. But also he can tell From my eyes plus how i move if he needs to stop or ease off It takes time for that too.. even with experience it can sometimes be got wrong. Cali Agreed and if he can't see my eyes or hear me, it needs experience and trust for the other to pick up on the body language." Yea thats what 4 Meant body Language. He can read mine. Its best to Take it slowly and to actually work as a Dom.sub relationship there needs to be a Lot of trust. plus Clear boundaries set out. We Listed our do and donts . Yes now and then push boundaries but Know when to stop. And cuddles after are great as a hard Session can Take it out of both of you | |||
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"I have to say now reading both threads and your profile there is a definite mix up between who is D & S. Profile states your decision and coming round to....contradiction. You are defending a post made clearly by yourself that you were surprised it happened and it hurt & not sure how to handle it. I don't think anyone is vilifying your OH, I think you are emotionally sensitive and I would even go as far as to say I do not think swinging is for you. It screams at me of blurred boundaries and expectations and that you do not have the solid foundations or communication within your relationship and I could see a meet going horribly wrong. Imagine if your OH did it to another lady? If I was you I would take a massive step back and work out what you want in your relationship sexually wise and what the D&S role is for you both before any damage is done permanently. " | |||
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"I didn't read your previous post but it seems to me that you and your OH are very much in love & have 100% trust (it takes a lot of trust to consider role playing if the D/S type!) I don't think you should listen to people who are saying swinging isn't for you - it's a learning curve!! And the fact that he instantly stopped the second that you expressed to him he hurt you & it shocked you, shows he has the upmost respect for you, your relationship & your sexual relationship!! It seems by asking advise you are both going about it the right way & the only way you'll learn is to try new things slowly & carefully. I think you were fully articulate & I completely understand this thread and can also understand how upsetting it can be for people to jump on your post and read things a different way to how you intended the post to go. I wish you both luck (& fun!!) K (Mrs) Xxx" Thank you so much. Your message was really kind and I'm glad you understand. I just wanted to know how others deal with things, that was all. He's not a nasty man at all, he's been amazing and has helped me so much with absolutely everything. Even though he has more experience than me with swinging, he still finds things a learning curve too, but he's made it a positive learning curve for me and always made sure I'm comfortable. I just wanted advice from people who were trying similar things | |||
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"I stand by everything I posted on that thread. You posted a pretty clear opening thread which pretty much everyone interpreted in the same way then changed your version of events because you didn't like how the thread was going. If you put things up for discussion you have to accept it may not go the way you want. Please... I didn't change things because I didn't like the response... I realised people were reading what I had written in a different way than I intended. I've been in tears over what people have been saying. He honestly isn't like that. He saved me and my kids from that kind of lifestyle. It killed him to know what is been through " Honey I never saw your other thread but I had bad experiences in childhood and dealt with them and I too enjoy similar things to you!!! But the big difference now for us both is WE are consenting to it and it's ok!!!! Sod everyone else, u just enjoy each other, James sounds like a lovely guy and I'm glad u have found a good one to restore your faith!! Bigs hugs xxxx | |||
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"Honey I never saw your other thread but I had bad experiences in childhood and dealt with them and I too enjoy similar things to you!!! But the big difference now for us both is WE are consenting to it and it's ok!!!! Sod everyone else, u just enjoy each other, James sounds like a lovely guy and I'm glad u have found a good one to restore your faith!! Bigs hugs xxxx" Thanks for your message. It's nice to read after the awful day I've had. He really is honestly a lovely guy and he restored my confidence so much and in such a kind way. I questioned myself why I ever thought I couldn't trust him. He's been there for me in so many ways and helped me with the kids even if they do drive him mad at times. We chose to do this TOGETHER. I just wanted for once that I could get some advice from somewhere that wasn't him. I'm always going to him. It must drive him insane. We've already joked between us that he's like my own personal google! I've really enjoyed my journey so far with him and what he's been able to show me. Just don't want it to end really x | |||
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"I briefly looked at your original post didn't add to it.. I just want to say that I am sorry for the fact that you have been put in a situation where you feel you need to justify yourself and your relationship and to share some deeply personal things. I'm sorry it has upset you to the point of tears. All to often here I see a post and can hear the wagons circling in the distance. It's not always what is said but the way it is said. People sometimes feel they can express themselves without humanity behind a computer screen. That said you will need to develop thicker skin for this sort of environment. What you decided to share with total strangers and how you let their words impact you is your decision. As far as a safe word goes... I like 'Banana Hammock' but I am a firm believe that if you pursue this you should have discussed it in enough depth to never need to use it! Good luck and don't let them grind you down! " Thank you... I just felt some people were too cruel with some of the comments. I had to justify myself, and James! He was deeply shocked by what some people were saying about him. And I know some people will defend there partners, I was stupid enough to do it myself for years with my ex, but he's not like that at all!! I've honestly never met as nice a guy as him... And as he says I'm getting on a bit lol. He didn't mean to hurt me this morning. I just wasn't sure how to tell him he was coz it's never happened before where I've felt a little uncomfortable. He's a really gentle and considerate lover but we both decided we liked a bit of rough to alternate things around a bit. Thanks for your message though x | |||
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"I didnt read the previous thread - and going by this one you both seem pretty clued up. We started in a sub/dom relationship which was based on a daddy dom kind of dynamic (ie im a caring dom) but i still can be a sadistic bastard when i want to be. We use several different types of safe scenarios. She has never used safewords as i can tell by her body language when i am about to go to far. Remember though, part of a subs learning curve is pushing through limits - so this may well happen again. My best advice is this. After every scene or playtime - talk. Not just a little chat but a long in depth converastion about what you BOTH thought about the play. I do this in my aftercare time (cuddles and snuggles after any play) and it helps us BOTH understand whats going on in eachothers heads. Afterall he may do something to you that he thinks you like, but in fact makes you sick, but you do it to please him!. If you have to use a safeword you have already gone too far. As for a suggestion above about a Dom using safewords - this is always a very very bad idea. At all times a sub is thinking about her/his dom. If you just stop and walk away or use an unexplained safeword that poor sub will be distraught. Its in the syche of a sub to wonder what they did wrong and they will agonise on it internally. If a dom has a problem they must explain exactly what it is. Thats my 10 pennies worth. hope you can take something from it. xxx" Thank you for your advice. It's good to hear what other people find helps them in situations. We've tried a couple of things in the past that he's sensed I'm not 100% but some of the trouble like this morning is we like to play fight and sometimes, only sometimes, we don't always realise the other one isn't 100% anymore. This morning for example I was play fighting but I decided actually I wanted it to stop but that just puts the brakes on everything then so I wondered how other people dealt with things... Tbh I made him do something he wasn't 100% with once coz I honestly thought he'd enjoy it so I just kept reassuring him | |||
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" Thank you... I just felt some people were too cruel with some of the comments. " No one was cruel on the original thread and I think the allegation that people were is not only untrue but disrespectful to those that posted. | |||
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" Thank you... I just felt some people were too cruel with some of the comments. No one was cruel on the original thread and I think the allegation that people were is not only untrue but disrespectful to those that posted. " I agree I posted what I thought were helpful comments it seems the huge misunderstanding might be mine in trying to help. | |||
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" Thank you... I just felt some people were too cruel with some of the comments. No one was cruel on the original thread and I think the allegation that people were is not only untrue but disrespectful to those that posted. I agree I posted what I thought were helpful comments it seems the huge misunderstanding might be mine in trying to help. " No not at all. Your comments were very helpful and I appreciated you replying so thank you! | |||
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" Thank you... I just felt some people were too cruel with some of the comments. No one was cruel on the original thread and I think the allegation that people were is not only untrue but disrespectful to those that posted. " I didn't read the first post so I can't comment whether people were cruel or not BUT the OP says she 'felt' people were cruel....how can you say her feelings are disrespectful?! You can't possibly know how she felt about what people were saying?! Feelings are personal & should not be discounted by another person, attempting to do so is disrespectful in itself! | |||
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" Thank you... I just felt some people were too cruel with some of the comments. No one was cruel on the original thread and I think the allegation that people were is not only untrue but disrespectful to those that posted. I didn't read the first post so I can't comment whether people were cruel or not BUT the OP says she 'felt' people were cruel....how can you say her feelings are disrespectful?! You can't possibly know how she felt about what people were saying?! Feelings are personal & should not be discounted by another person, attempting to do so is disrespectful in itself! " Thank you... | |||
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"I do find it a bit odd that he is happy for you to perform oral, in fact demands it as part of play but does not reciprocate, is it just me that thinks it is quite selfish?" He'd do it if I asked. I just know it's not something he massively enjoys. And knowing that means I'd rather he doesn't. He doesn't demand me to do it... It's just something we both know I enjoy doing? | |||
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"I do find it a bit odd that he is happy for you to perform oral, in fact demands it as part of play but does not reciprocate, is it just me that thinks it is quite selfish?" Sex isn't a like for like activity though, I love to give oral but don't like to receive it, I like to be restrained but don't expect a person to want to be restrained in turn. Selfish sex is not trying to understand what your partner wants and needs in my opinion. | |||
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"Sex isn't a like for like activity though, I love to give oral but don't like to receive it, I like to be restrained but don't expect a person to want to be restrained in turn. Selfish sex is not trying to understand what your partner wants and needs in my opinion." Yeah, not everybody likes the same things. We both like when I give him oral. We both like when I'm restrained. I know he's not too keen on it back though. He knows I like to try and play with him anally, he doesn't know how he feels about it but he doesn't not like it so we try it occasionally | |||
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"I do find it a bit odd that he is happy for you to perform oral, in fact demands it as part of play but does not reciprocate, is it just me that thinks it is quite selfish? Sex isn't a like for like activity though, I love to give oral but don't like to receive it, I like to be restrained but don't expect a person to want to be restrained in turn. Selfish sex is not trying to understand what your partner wants and needs in my opinion." Yes but if you did enjoy receiving it would you not feel a bit put out that your partner just didn't do it. I would find that very frustrating as I have experienced it in the past myself. whatever works for you though, just not something I would be happy with. | |||
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"I have read through both of your threads and in my opinion your relatshionship comes across as very one sided! It seems to be all about the male half! I can see why some of the comments on your other thread thought what happened this morning as a tad ott! Maybe having a heart to heart with your oh would prevent any future misunderstandings " | |||
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"I do find it a bit odd that he is happy for you to perform oral, in fact demands it as part of play but does not reciprocate, is it just me that thinks it is quite selfish? Sex isn't a like for like activity though, I love to give oral but don't like to receive it, I like to be restrained but don't expect a person to want to be restrained in turn. Selfish sex is not trying to understand what your partner wants and needs in my opinion. Yes but if you did enjoy receiving it would you not feel a bit put out that your partner just didn't do it. I would find that very frustrating as I have experienced it in the past myself. whatever works for you though, just not something I would be happy with." As far as I'm concerned sex in a long term relationship needs to have room for compromise and I would hope that if I really enjoyed oral sex and my partner didn't want to give it that we could reach an agreement but if I knew he didn't enjoy it I wouldn't coerce him just as I would hope a partner wouldn't coerce me into doing it if I didn't like it. You say that him insisting on it is wrong but suggest that the answer is that she insists in return. You say "whatever works for you" and me not doing something I don't like works very well | |||
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"I do find it a bit odd that he is happy for you to perform oral, in fact demands it as part of play but does not reciprocate, is it just me that thinks it is quite selfish? Sex isn't a like for like activity though, I love to give oral but don't like to receive it, I like to be restrained but don't expect a person to want to be restrained in turn. Selfish sex is not trying to understand what your partner wants and needs in my opinion. Yes but if you did enjoy receiving it would you not feel a bit put out that your partner just didn't do it. I would find that very frustrating as I have experienced it in the past myself. whatever works for you though, just not something I would be happy with. As far as I'm concerned sex in a long term relationship needs to have room for compromise and I would hope that if I really enjoyed oral sex and my partner didn't want to give it that we could reach an agreement but if I knew he didn't enjoy it I wouldn't coerce him just as I would hope a partner wouldn't coerce me into doing it if I didn't like it. You say that him insisting on it is wrong but suggest that the answer is that she insists in return. You say "whatever works for you" and me not doing something I don't like works very well " | |||
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"I do find it a bit odd that he is happy for you to perform oral, in fact demands it as part of play but does not reciprocate, is it just me that thinks it is quite selfish? Sex isn't a like for like activity though, I love to give oral but don't like to receive it, I like to be restrained but don't expect a person to want to be restrained in turn. Selfish sex is not trying to understand what your partner wants and needs in my opinion. Yes but if you did enjoy receiving it would you not feel a bit put out that your partner just didn't do it. I would find that very frustrating as I have experienced it in the past myself. whatever works for you though, just not something I would be happy with. As far as I'm concerned sex in a long term relationship needs to have room for compromise and I would hope that if I really enjoyed oral sex and my partner didn't want to give it that we could reach an agreement but if I knew he didn't enjoy it I wouldn't coerce him just as I would hope a partner wouldn't coerce me into doing it if I didn't like it. You say that him insisting on it is wrong but suggest that the answer is that she insists in return. You say "whatever works for you" and me not doing something I don't like works very well " I didn't mean in relation to you, it was to the OP. Yes of course its about compromise, I've been in a relationship for 7 years now so am aware how it works. | |||
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"Haven't read any of the posts other than a quick flick of the first one and it doesn't seem a good idea at all to mention that your kids have been subject to abuse and to have your face, location etc. on display. Given how swift admin are to close down the most menial of discussions I'm very surprised that's been allowed. And equally surprised at the stupidity and lack of consideration in doing in the first place." | |||
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"I do find it a bit odd that he is happy for you to perform oral, in fact demands it as part of play but does not reciprocate, is it just me that thinks it is quite selfish? Sex isn't a like for like activity though, I love to give oral but don't like to receive it, I like to be restrained but don't expect a person to want to be restrained in turn. Selfish sex is not trying to understand what your partner wants and needs in my opinion. Yes but if you did enjoy receiving it would you not feel a bit put out that your partner just didn't do it. I would find that very frustrating as I have experienced it in the past myself. whatever works for you though, just not something I would be happy with. As far as I'm concerned sex in a long term relationship needs to have room for compromise and I would hope that if I really enjoyed oral sex and my partner didn't want to give it that we could reach an agreement but if I knew he didn't enjoy it I wouldn't coerce him just as I would hope a partner wouldn't coerce me into doing it if I didn't like it. You say that him insisting on it is wrong but suggest that the answer is that she insists in return. You say "whatever works for you" and me not doing something I don't like works very well I didn't mean in relation to you, it was to the OP. Yes of course its about compromise, I've been in a relationship for 7 years now so am aware how it works. " ok, but to be fair you didn't make that clear and the first part of your reply was to me or I assumed that as you quoted me. | |||
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"I do find it a bit odd that he is happy for you to perform oral, in fact demands it as part of play but does not reciprocate, is it just me that thinks it is quite selfish? Sex isn't a like for like activity though, I love to give oral but don't like to receive it, I like to be restrained but don't expect a person to want to be restrained in turn. Selfish sex is not trying to understand what your partner wants and needs in my opinion. Yes but if you did enjoy receiving it would you not feel a bit put out that your partner just didn't do it. I would find that very frustrating as I have experienced it in the past myself. whatever works for you though, just not something I would be happy with. As far as I'm concerned sex in a long term relationship needs to have room for compromise and I would hope that if I really enjoyed oral sex and my partner didn't want to give it that we could reach an agreement but if I knew he didn't enjoy it I wouldn't coerce him just as I would hope a partner wouldn't coerce me into doing it if I didn't like it. You say that him insisting on it is wrong but suggest that the answer is that she insists in return. You say "whatever works for you" and me not doing something I don't like works very well I didn't mean in relation to you, it was to the OP. Yes of course its about compromise, I've been in a relationship for 7 years now so am aware how it works. ok, but to be fair you didn't make that clear and the first part of your reply was to me or I assumed that as you quoted me." well I posted in relation to the thread, you thought what I said was wrong and I was responding which is why I quoted you, probably past my bedtime anyway! | |||
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" probably past my bedtime anyway!" lol probably way past mine too | |||
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" Thank you... I just felt some people were too cruel with some of the comments. x" To clarify, none of the replies on the previous thread were against rules or cruel. As I said up there, I don't think it fair that you are making out something that wasn't there at all, those people gave you an honest answer to your post which painted a much darker picture than the OP here, so I am shutting this now | |||
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