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"Ok, so how many of you single guys here would consider yourself to be average in terms of appearance? I'm talking about the 'dad bod' or average height/build? And how many of you have had meets? How many of you actually have a response when you reach out to women/couples here? And how many of you are successful? How many of you think that expectations are too high? With many women/couples only wanting to meet men who are (I quote) tall, in shape,gym fit,hung,bbc, verified. I am curious to know because I would class myself as an average single guy and I am massively failing on Fab. I contact women/couples daily. I am always polite, friendly and respectful. And yet, every single sent message is either unread, read and ignored, read and instantly deleted or read and instantly blocked. I can't even get a response or conversation going, let alone a meet! I've also reconstructed my profile several times and added better photos. Still made no difference. I can only assume that my lack of success here is down to the fact that I'm an average single guy and no one here wants average..." Yep definitely average here. Some might say below average It's not a barrier here and so many people are positively avoiding the good looking muscly hunks. Met lots and lots of people over many years but it's not easy. Certain things go a long way - confidence, positivity, humour, being a good human being, just the right amount of flirting, showing yourself in the best light and of course if you can getting out there in the real world to socials/clubs (although not required). | |||
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"Certain things go a long way - confidence, positivity, humour, being a good human being, just the right amount of flirting, showing yourself in the best light and of course if you can getting out there in the real world to socials/clubs (although not required). " Top advice! The sheer discrepancy between M and F profiles on here means you stand a far better chance of positive interactions in real life - organised socials, clubs etc. Be sociable (to all, not just the ones you fancy!) and build a network and you stand a far better chance of finding folk with shared attraction and interests. | |||
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"Ok, so how many of you single guys here would consider yourself to be average in terms of appearance? I'm talking about the 'dad bod' or average height/build? And how many of you have had meets? How many of you actually have a response when you reach out to women/couples here? And how many of you are successful? How many of you think that expectations are too high? With many women/couples only wanting to meet men who are (I quote) tall, in shape,gym fit,hung,bbc, verified. I am curious to know because I would class myself as an average single guy and I am massively failing on Fab. I contact women/couples daily. I am always polite, friendly and respectful. And yet, every single sent message is either unread, read and ignored, read and instantly deleted or read and instantly blocked. I can't even get a response or conversation going, let alone a meet! I've also reconstructed my profile several times and added better photos. Still made no difference. I can only assume that my lack of success here is down to the fact that I'm an average single guy and no one here wants average... Yep definitely average here. Some might say below average It's not a barrier here and so many people are positively avoiding the good looking muscly hunks. Met lots and lots of people over many years but it's not easy. Certain things go a long way - confidence, positivity, humour, being a good human being, just the right amount of flirting, showing yourself in the best light and of course if you can getting out there in the real world to socials/clubs (although not required). " That's me all over. I am always polite and friendly. On and off of Fab. And I do try to show confidence and humour. But it's never worked, not even one slight conversation or interest, always just ignored. I'm actually thinking of just giving up here to be honest | |||
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"Certain things go a long way - confidence, positivity, humour, being a good human being, just the right amount of flirting, showing yourself in the best light and of course if you can getting out there in the real world to socials/clubs (although not required). Top advice! The sheer discrepancy between M and F profiles on here means you stand a far better chance of positive interactions in real life - organised socials, clubs etc. Be sociable (to all, not just the ones you fancy!) and build a network and you stand a far better chance of finding folk with shared attraction and interests." It's only possible to build a network if other Fab user's actually reply and talk to me... And that's my issue, I'm constantly hitting a dead end each and every time | |||
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"It's only possible to build a network if other Fab user's actually reply and talk to me... And that's my issue, I'm constantly hitting a dead end each and every time " Have you been to an organised social/club night? Since that was my suggestion and comment related to? | |||
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"Ok, so how many of you single guys here would consider yourself to be average in terms of appearance? I'm talking about the 'dad bod' or average height/build? And how many of you have had meets? How many of you actually have a response when you reach out to women/couples here? And how many of you are successful? How many of you think that expectations are too high? With many women/couples only wanting to meet men who are (I quote) tall, in shape,gym fit,hung,bbc, verified. I am curious to know because I would class myself as an average single guy and I am massively failing on Fab. I contact women/couples daily. I am always polite, friendly and respectful. And yet, every single sent message is either unread, read and ignored, read and instantly deleted or read and instantly blocked. I can't even get a response or conversation going, let alone a meet! I've also reconstructed my profile several times and added better photos. Still made no difference. I can only assume that my lack of success here is down to the fact that I'm an average single guy and no one here wants average... Yep definitely average here. Some might say below average It's not a barrier here and so many people are positively avoiding the good looking muscly hunks. Met lots and lots of people over many years but it's not easy. Certain things go a long way - confidence, positivity, humour, being a good human being, just the right amount of flirting, showing yourself in the best light and of course if you can getting out there in the real world to socials/clubs (although not required). That's me all over. I am always polite and friendly. On and off of Fab. And I do try to show confidence and humour. But it's never worked, not even one slight conversation or interest, always just ignored. I'm actually thinking of just giving up here to be honest " You say this is you but yet here you are with a negative thread talking about leaving… | |||
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"Certain things go a long way - confidence, positivity, humour, being a good human being, just the right amount of flirting, showing yourself in the best light and of course if you can getting out there in the real world to socials/clubs (although not required). Top advice! The sheer discrepancy between M and F profiles on here means you stand a far better chance of positive interactions in real life - organised socials, clubs etc. Be sociable (to all, not just the ones you fancy!) and build a network and you stand a far better chance of finding folk with shared attraction and interests. It's only possible to build a network if other Fab user's actually reply and talk to me... And that's my issue, I'm constantly hitting a dead end each and every time " Totally agree mate ,I know where you are coming from. | |||
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"I am 51 with a dad Bod, man boobs ,flabby bits here and there and a belly. I have never been within 500 yards of a gym ,and never will do ,and the only six pack I have is in the fridge with all the chocolate . I am nearly bald ,and still have my own teeth ,and have my own comfortable home and can accommodate. I have also had zero success on here in a year and a half being a member.Zero meets ,not even for a one on one social for a coffee or bite to eat in a public place . You aren't on your own brother ." Every time you say "bite to eat" it makes me think of the scene in The Terminal where Tom Hanks says it over and over | |||
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"The two people I spend the most time with from here are both shorter than me, definitely not gym fit, no bigger than average, and one is only verified by me. If you're messaging people every day, are you resending messages to people who have already declined, or just slowly running through every available orifice you notice? In terms of just finding people who match my preferences and that I match theirs in terms of age, gender, location etc the pickings are slim, and with single males being included on my list I likely have a bigger pool than you despite the rural area. Add in the mutual physical attraction, having fab goals that align, and actually believing there's any compatibility to even begin a conversation, and I'm lucky if there's one person a month that I find to connect with." This So many people think women are swimming in penis on here when in reality there is probably less than a handful that are respectful, that you get on with and that you actually find attractive | |||
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"The fact is that there are way more men on here than women, unless the women decide to sympathy shag every man who messages them it's impossible for every man on here to be "successful" " But they're such nice guys where's the violin emoji when you need it??? | |||
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"The fact is that there are way more men on here than women, unless the women decide to sympathy shag every man who messages them it's impossible for every man on here to be "successful" But they're such nice guys where's the violin emoji when you need it???" I honestly don't get why it's so difficult to understand It's literally impossible for every straight man/men who only want to meet women to be successful. The numbers of women are just not enough to make it happen | |||
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"The fact is that there are way more men on here than women, unless the women decide to sympathy shag every man who messages them it's impossible for every man on here to be "successful" But they're such nice guys where's the violin emoji when you need it???" Looool | |||
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"The fact is that there are way more men on here than women, unless the women decide to sympathy shag every man who messages them it's impossible for every man on here to be "successful" But they're such nice guys where's the violin emoji when you need it???" | |||
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"Unless you have the body of a Greek God a bank balance to make Trump look poor and a duck the size of a donky I would say more blokes won't have a lot of success on here. Very few women are into this lifestyle most have a very specific wish list. So just would say don't expect too much and don't be too harsh on yourselves. Have fun enjoynthe small victories." That’s really putting women down as very shallow I personally find dad bods more attractive than muscle men which I find repulsive to be honest. Wouldn’t need a man with money as have my own but one who pays his way would be good Big cock? Well It’s always nice but rather a clean nice kind one | |||
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"Think it's the same for the average woman as well" I’m a big girl I’d say only average looks and old I also have on my profile I’m not meeting I still get loads of messages per day | |||
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"The fact is that there are way more men on here than women, unless the women decide to sympathy shag every man who messages them it's impossible for every man on here to be "successful" But they're such nice guys where's the violin emoji when you need it??? " Yay!!! | |||
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"Unless you have the body of a Greek God a bank balance to make Trump look poor and a duck the size of a donky I would say more blokes won't have a lot of success on here. Very few women are into this lifestyle most have a very specific wish list. So just would say don't expect too much and don't be too harsh on yourselves. Have fun enjoynthe small victories." Just wow | |||
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"Unless you have the body of a Greek God a bank balance to make Trump look poor and a duck the size of a donky I would say more blokes won't have a lot of success on here. Very few women are into this lifestyle most have a very specific wish list. So just would say don't expect too much and don't be too harsh on yourselves. Have fun enjoynthe small victories. Just wow " If people want to blame other people for not finding them attractive it's probably best to just let them be | |||
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"Attitude check chaps, present yourself positively and you’ll be more likely to attract what you want. Put that energy into yourself and don’t take the knock backs personally. Get out and socialise at events and clubs and see the other side of the lifestyle. It’s more than this site! Expect nothing and you won’t be disappointed. " This is the best advice on this thread | |||
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"Unless you have the body of a Greek God a bank balance to make Trump look poor and a duck the size of a donky I would say more blokes won't have a lot of success on here. " It's just not true. Many of the men with lots of verifications are distinctly average (and I'm not saying that as a slur) in looks . Presumably they stand out in personality and likeability. They make a point of putting themselves out there. | |||
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"Think it's the same for the average woman as well I’m a big girl I’d say only average looks and old I also have on my profile I’m not meeting I still get loads of messages per day " That's because of the average men | |||
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"I’ve had people tell me I am distinctly average. Hell, I’ve had people tell me I am a lot worse than that. I’ve got several friends from here that I speak to regularly and have quite a few meet veris too. How? I go out to clubs and organised events and meet people there, and we use Fab to stay in touch. I’ve had some responses on here and a couple of meets from here, but much more success from clubs and socials. No doubt some people will come along and say “but I don’t want to do that!” Well that’s fine, but it’s easily the best way to meet people so if you don’t want to do that then you have to accept it will be significantly harder for you because of the ratio of men to women on here and the sheer volume of messages women get." I cannot agree with you about the clubs being “the best way to meet people”, not if you’re a solo, straight, white guy anyway. Without a doubt, I have enjoyed far more success meeting people through Fab, than I ever did as a solo guy in clubs. I don’t know if I chose the ‘wrong’ clubs, or the ‘wrong’ time to visit, but I would never recommend the club scene to a mate, as a way to meet women… | |||
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"I’ve had people tell me I am distinctly average. Hell, I’ve had people tell me I am a lot worse than that. I’ve got several friends from here that I speak to regularly and have quite a few meet veris too. How? I go out to clubs and organised events and meet people there, and we use Fab to stay in touch. I’ve had some responses on here and a couple of meets from here, but much more success from clubs and socials. No doubt some people will come along and say “but I don’t want to do that!” Well that’s fine, but it’s easily the best way to meet people so if you don’t want to do that then you have to accept it will be significantly harder for you because of the ratio of men to women on here and the sheer volume of messages women get. I cannot agree with you about the clubs being “the best way to meet people”, not if you’re a solo, straight, white guy anyway. Without a doubt, I have enjoyed far more success meeting people through Fab, than I ever did as a solo guy in clubs. I don’t know if I chose the ‘wrong’ clubs, or the ‘wrong’ time to visit, but I would never recommend the club scene to a mate, as a way to meet women… " Fair enough. My experience differs greatly from yours and I’ve met plenty of people through going to clubs. | |||
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"I say I'm average. Zero replys to messages on here so far. " I would imagine your thumbnail picture really isn't helping | |||
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"OP. Compare your profile with the likes of Lovetolick, gentle lover and curvy bi. You have one photo. Get that camera clicking !!! Enjoy yourself with it and post some more piccies. " Aww thank you. I do try and generally over the years it has led to lots of fun….and without going to clubs for a long time. | |||
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" all I can say is be confident and persevere " As if confidence can be conjured out of thin air. Might as well tell someone depressed to “cheer up”. | |||
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"I'm the definition of average been on and off fab for about 8 years, had lot's of meets from here over the years, all I can say is be confident and persevere " Exactly ..confidence in anyone is so much more sexy than how someone looks. Being a moan and whining about it is not sexy at all | |||
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"Ok, so how many of you single guys here would consider yourself to be average in terms of appearance? I'm talking about the 'dad bod' or average height/build? And how many of you have had meets? How many of you actually have a response when you reach out to women/couples here? And how many of you are successful? How many of you think that expectations are too high? With many women/couples only wanting to meet men who are (I quote) tall, in shape,gym fit,hung,bbc, verified. I am curious to know because I would class myself as an average single guy and I am massively failing on Fab. I contact women/couples daily. I am always polite, friendly and respectful. And yet, every single sent message is either unread, read and ignored, read and instantly deleted or read and instantly blocked. I can't even get a response or conversation going, let alone a meet! I've also reconstructed my profile several times and added better photos. Still made no difference. I can only assume that my lack of success here is down to the fact that I'm an average single guy and no one here wants average..." I'm in exactly the same boat. Single, average, send polite messages, get nothing back etc. I've given up tbh, just very occasionally come back on. Doesn't seem the place for single guys unfortunately. Tinder released a stat saying on average there's 1 girl to 4 guys. I think that stat is at least doubled on here lol. | |||
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"I'm the definition of average been on and off fab for about 8 years, had lot's of meets from here over the years, all I can say is be confident and persevere Exactly ..confidence in anyone is so much more sexy than how someone looks. Being a moan and whining about it is not sexy at all " OP here. Totally get this. However, we are all only human and I imagine I speak for everyone when I say our confidence is knocked when we are faced with 100% rejection on a daily/weekly basis. Also, no one here is moaning or whining! These forums are for the purpose of helping others and general chat/advice, right? So that's all I am doing here | |||
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"OP. Compare your profile with the likes of Lovetolick, gentle lover and curvy bi. You have one photo. Get that camera clicking !!! Enjoy yourself with it and post some more piccies. " Thank you but I do have several recently new photos that I choose to keep private and send in messages if ever asked. Based on the nature of the site, I don't want my photos left open for anyone and everyone & I know many users feel the same. Plus I really don't believe having a while photo album helps to be honest. I come across many females/couples profiles with absolutely no photos shown | |||
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"I'm in exactly the same boat. Single, average, send polite messages, get nothing back etc. I've given up tbh, just very occasionally come back on. Doesn't seem the place for single guys unfortunately. Tinder released a stat saying on average there's 1 girl to 4 guys. I think that stat is at least doubled on here lol. " The OKC and Tinder research on dating was summed up as, "the dating economy for women is akin to a society with a few poor, some middle class, and a handful of millionaires, the dating economy for men is closer to a society with a handful of multi-billionaires and masses without anything." In other words, "The world is pretty dark place if you are a man in the bottom 80%." Sound familiar? | |||
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"I'm in exactly the same boat. Single, average, send polite messages, get nothing back etc. I've given up tbh, just very occasionally come back on. Doesn't seem the place for single guys unfortunately. Tinder released a stat saying on average there's 1 girl to 4 guys. I think that stat is at least doubled on here lol. The OKC and Tinder research on dating was summed up as, "the dating economy for women is akin to a society with a few poor, some middle class, and a handful of millionaires, the dating economy for men is closer to a society with a handful of multi-billionaires and masses without anything." In other words, "The world is pretty dark place if you are a man in the bottom 80%." Sound familiar? " Yup. The realities of the dating marketplace. If, you’re not in that top 20% as a man you’ll find things very hard on and off here. You have to be the best version of yourself. It starts with going to the gym as a man. It gives you the best return on your investment. You’ll feel better about yourself and people will respect you more when you walk into a room. You have to do the work. Pick up heavy shit and put it down again. Women will also notice you more. You do not have to ripped and huge. Many women don’t go for that. Women prefer a leaner, athletic, swimmer type physique generally. Thereafter, update your wardrobe and get clothes that fit you properly. Most men are clueless when it comes to dressing themselves. | |||
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"OP here. Totally get this. However, we are all only human and I imagine I speak for everyone when I say our confidence is knocked when we are faced with 100% rejection on a daily/weekly basis. Also, no one here is moaning or whining! These forums are for the purpose of helping others and general chat/advice, right? So that's all I am doing here " Just as some people are never going to get the job they want, some people are never going to get the life partner and family they want, some people are never going to get the house they want... Some people are never going to get laid through Fab, because there isn't anyone who wants to fuck them. The stark reality might be that you are one of these people, it's not anyone's fault, and there is no advice that would change it. You don't seem willing to take any advice that's given anyway, you seem to think people should accept you and your averageness for what they are. It's totally fine to not want to change yourself, but no one is compelled to accept you. | |||
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" Women prefer a leaner, athletic, swimmer type physique generally. " Hmm some might but I think that's a massive generalisation. | |||
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"OP here. Totally get this. However, we are all only human and I imagine I speak for everyone when I say our confidence is knocked when we are faced with 100% rejection on a daily/weekly basis. Also, no one here is moaning or whining! These forums are for the purpose of helping others and general chat/advice, right? So that's all I am doing here Just as some people are never going to get the job they want, some people are never going to get the life partner and family they want, some people are never going to get the house they want... Some people are never going to get laid through Fab, because there isn't anyone who wants to fuck them. The stark reality might be that you are one of these people, it's not anyone's fault, and there is no advice that would change it. You don't seem willing to take any advice that's given anyway, you seem to think people should accept you and your averageness for what they are. It's totally fine to not want to change yourself, but no one is compelled to accept you." Brutal but true. 90% of the men could leave this site and most of the remaining 10% would still struggle. Most don’t want to do anything to improve or sell themselves or give themselves a better chance of standing out from the crowd. And I don’t mean plastic surgery as pure physical facial looks are a very small part of things when it comes to swinging and sex. | |||
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"It's only possible to build a network if other Fab user's actually reply and talk to me... And that's my issue, I'm constantly hitting a dead end each and every time Have you been to an organised social/club night? Since that was my suggestion and comment related to?" This is the way forward for OP, online fab isn't the place to be all the time, get out there and be the person you say you are | |||
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"Ok, so how many of you single guys here would consider yourself to be average in terms of appearance? I'm talking about the 'dad bod' or average height/build? And how many of you have had meets? How many of you actually have a response when you reach out to women/couples here? And how many of you are successful? How many of you think that expectations are too high? With many women/couples only wanting to meet men who are (I quote) tall, in shape,gym fit,hung,bbc, verified. I am curious to know because I would class myself as an average single guy and I am massively failing on Fab. I contact women/couples daily. I am always polite, friendly and respectful. And yet, every single sent message is either unread, read and ignored, read and instantly deleted or read and instantly blocked. I can't even get a response or conversation going, let alone a meet! I've also reconstructed my profile several times and added better photos. Still made no difference. I can only assume that my lack of success here is down to the fact that I'm an average single guy and no one here wants average..." Mate after looking at the green arrow your past posts have been the same as this, people have tried to help you and you haven't taken the advice. If you think swinging is easy, it's not especially online. Pull your big boy pants up and make the change that's been suggested or you'll just be beating yourself up for a very long time. Sorry but that's the reality of it | |||
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"Soon you reach your 50s its not your type in fab world. " Rubbish. So many people in 50's and 60's having a great time. | |||
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"The fact is that there are way more men on here than women, unless the women decide to sympathy shag every man who messages them it's impossible for every man on here to be "successful" " | |||
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"OP here. Totally get this. However, we are all only human and I imagine I speak for everyone when I say our confidence is knocked when we are faced with 100% rejection on a daily/weekly basis. Also, no one here is moaning or whining! These forums are for the purpose of helping others and general chat/advice, right? So that's all I am doing here Just as some people are never going to get the job they want, some people are never going to get the life partner and family they want, some people are never going to get the house they want... Some people are never going to get laid through Fab, because there isn't anyone who wants to fuck them. The stark reality might be that you are one of these people, it's not anyone's fault, and there is no advice that would change it. You don't seem willing to take any advice that's given anyway, you seem to think people should accept you and your averageness for what they are. It's totally fine to not want to change yourself, but no one is compelled to accept you. Brutal but true. 90% of the men could leave this site and most of the remaining 10% would still struggle. Most don’t want to do anything to improve or sell themselves or give themselves a better chance of standing out from the crowd. And I don’t mean plastic surgery as pure physical facial looks are a very small part of things when it comes to swinging and sex. " | |||
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"Here you need to have/be: - Black or white (Tanned isn't good) - At least 5'10'' - 7'' or 8'' inch counts as average length - No body hair (Not even chest) - No short hair (Under 0.5 inch) - Possibly no beard - Dad bod means you're not ripped - None smoker, but can be an alcoholic or junkie - Possibly straight - If you are bi, then you must be top None of the above applies if: - You are tall - Most women consider you handsome - You are 8 inch plus I'm not being negative. These are the expectations from most women/couples. Not just the ones out of your league. Even the average women/couples. Funny fact, that every woman here is either slim, average or curvy. " I must be slim! Yes! all these attributes are exactly what most women want. Fucking our way around all the hot tall 8 inchers. It's hard work but good fun. | |||
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"Here you need to have/be: - Black or white (Tanned isn't good) - At least 5'10'' - 7'' or 8'' inch counts as average length - No body hair (Not even chest) - No short hair (Under 0.5 inch) - Possibly no beard - Dad bod means you're not ripped - None smoker, but can be an alcoholic or junkie - Possibly straight - If you are bi, then you must be top None of the above applies if: - You are tall - Most women consider you handsome - You are 8 inch plus I'm not being negative. These are the expectations from most women/couples. Not just the ones out of your league. Even the average women/couples. Funny fact, that every woman here is either slim, average or curvy. " That is among the biggest lot of bollocks I've seen on this subject. If people believe that then they are just making excuses for themselves. | |||
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"The fact is that there are way more men on here than women, unless the women decide to sympathy shag every man who messages them it's impossible for every man on here to be "successful" But they're such nice guys where's the violin emoji when you need it??? I honestly don't get why it's so difficult to understand It's literally impossible for every straight man/men who only want to meet women to be successful. The numbers of women are just not enough to make it happen " Agree - it’s not about looks, there is quite a lot of chance involved too! You can get 100+ messages a day as a female. When I played single I would maybe read a random 5-10 and give up, delete the rest. It was usually a few at the top of my inbox (so change which I opened) I either met guys who I genuinely clicked with when chatting over several weeks, or a last minute spur of the moment meet with someone I fancied but just happened to also be online at the same time. What I would say is coming across as fun, chatting, interesting, decent are all more important than looks! | |||
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"Here you need to have/be: - Black or white (Tanned isn't good) - At least 5'10'' - 7'' or 8'' inch counts as average length - No body hair (Not even chest) - No short hair (Under 0.5 inch) - Possibly no beard - Dad bod means you're not ripped - None smoker, but can be an alcoholic or junkie - Possibly straight - If you are bi, then you must be top None of the above applies if: - You are tall - Most women consider you handsome - You are 8 inch plus I'm not being negative. These are the expectations from most women/couples. Not just the ones out of your league. Even the average women/couples. Funny fact, that every woman here is either slim, average or curvy. " This isn't true But even if it was so what? People are allowed to have preferences and are allowed to decide who they have sex with Would you consider having sex with people who you don't find attractive? | |||
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"Average isn't really something I've ever really aspired too, I don't believe anyone should. I'm retired .. ok I know thats fairly mundane and ordinary for us mature ones. But it was into a house I built myself on a tropical Island so I'm guessing that's a little out of the norm. I still exercise daily after many decades of competitive sports. This keeps the dad bod at bay and maintains me in pretty good trim , with all sundry equipment still functioning and regularly tested. Not bad for a guy who has survived at various times being Shot, stabbed, thrown from a moving vehicle had a malfunctioning parachute landing . oh...and a bit of chemotherapy going on so as Captain Scarlett types go....I suppose I'm just average lol B " What is wrong with a dad bod ? | |||
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"Average isn't really something I've ever really aspired too, I don't believe anyone should. I'm retired .. ok I know thats fairly mundane and ordinary for us mature ones. But it was into a house I built myself on a tropical Island so I'm guessing that's a little out of the norm. I still exercise daily after many decades of competitive sports. This keeps the dad bod at bay and maintains me in pretty good trim , with all sundry equipment still functioning and regularly tested. Not bad for a guy who has survived at various times being Shot, stabbed, thrown from a moving vehicle had a malfunctioning parachute landing . oh...and a bit of chemotherapy going on so as Captain Scarlett types go....I suppose I'm just average lol B What is wrong with a dad bod ? " He never said there was anything wrong with a dad bod | |||
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"I'm just your average chap, I think I do just fine, I'm happy with the way I look and comfortable in my own skin I don't really bother messaging anybody on here other then to contact with people that I've already met at a club, I find I get just as much first messages from people then I did replies when I did used to waste my time messaging people on here, its never going to be easy to sell yourself with a profile regardless of how good your bio is or how good your photography skills are it's never going to beat getting yourself out there and meeting people in person at social events and clubs." These threads are interesting to read, to hear other people’s experiences. I’ve done very well through Fab over the years, and I don’t consider myself to be any other than average either. I’m only 5’9 tall, in my 50’s, do keep myself in good shape (for my years), and my hair is receded. I have no pretences about myself, don’t try to be anything other than myself, and I’m always respectful, and respectable in person. My approach has always been confident, but non-pushy, and has worked well for me over the years. A lot of people will push the club scene through here, and while it does seem to work well for some people, it didn’t really for me. I visited 8 clubs as a solo guy, to a total of 18 times, and rarely found them to be the warm, friendly, welcoming, fun places they’re made out to be. I think if you’re ‘fortunate’ to have a club on your doorstep, so that you can visit regularly, it would be easier to build a rapport with the regulars, and build friendships over time. For me; I’ll stick with what works for me, and that is messaging people through Fab | |||
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"Can relate to this enormously. Average, polite, respectful guy here but getting a reply is impossible. I received a few winks then i check out their profile and it is hidden suddenly. Frustrating! " Sound like a knock your door and when you answer no one is there. Wined up. | |||
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"Can relate to this enormously. Average, polite, respectful guy here but getting a reply is impossible. I received a few winks then i check out their profile and it is hidden suddenly. Frustrating! Sound like a knock your door and when you answer no one is there. Wined up." Ha, exactly that mate why bother to reach out and then hide??? | |||
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"Most men won't have success on here simply because there are far more men than women. That's the long and short of it " True story; a friend of mine launched her solo female profile, and within the first 20 minutes, she had 78 messages from guys. This gives an indication of the ratio of single men to single women in here..... | |||
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"Most men won't have success on here simply because there are far more men than women. That's the long and short of it True story; a friend of mine launched her solo female profile, and within the first 20 minutes, she had 78 messages from guys. This gives an indication of the ratio of single men to single women in here..... " I remember starting to set up my single account and getting distracted and forgetting about it for a day. No profile text, no photos. 300 unread messages. But, I do my part. I bone several men from here | |||
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"Most men won't have success on here simply because there are far more men than women. That's the long and short of it True story; a friend of mine launched her solo female profile, and within the first 20 minutes, she had 78 messages from guys. This gives an indication of the ratio of single men to single women in here..... I remember starting to set up my single account and getting distracted and forgetting about it for a day. No profile text, no photos. 300 unread messages. But, I do my part. I bone several men from here " What a trooper | |||
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"What a trooper " I'm hearing that a lot lately | |||
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"What a trooper I'm hearing that a lot lately " The hero we ask for and need! | |||
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"Most men wint have success on here simply because there are far more men than women. That's the long and short of it " Partly but as I said above 90% of the men could leave and most of the remaining 10% would still struggle. If they don't know how to sell themselves, how to chat, flirt, make things happen etc. then having less men around won't help much. For example some of the ultra negative profiles posting regularly would still not going to be able to meet anybody unless they change. | |||
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"Most men wint have success on here simply because there are far more men than women. That's the long and short of it Partly but as I said above 90% of the men could leave and most of the remaining 10% would still struggle. If they don't know how to sell themselves, how to chat, flirt, make things happen etc. then having less men around won't help much. For example some of the ultra negative profiles posting regularly would still not going to be able to meet anybody unless they change. " 100% The same goes for women, lots of women I know, myself included struggle because out of all the men on here we only find a small amount attractive and out of those who we find attractive we only find a small amount of them respectful | |||
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"100% The same goes for women, lots of women I know, myself included struggle because out of all the men on here we only find a small amount attractive and out of those who we find attractive we only find a small amount of them respectful" Oh. So this | |||
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"What a trooper I'm hearing that a lot lately " Like that one, solitary egg, rolling down the fallopian tube, as 60 million sperms rush towards you..... | |||
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"100% The same goes for women, lots of women I know, myself included struggle because out of all the men on here we only find a small amount attractive and out of those who we find attractive we only find a small amount of them respectful Oh. So this " I wish men would understand it isn't easy on here for women either. The amount of crass and disrespectful messages women get on here is astounding. Out of 50 I would say on average probably 4/5 aren't "free now" "Nice tits" or "fancy a fuck" type messages | |||
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"I wish men would understand it isn't easy on here for women either. The amount of crass and disrespectful messages women get on here is astounding. Out of 50 I would say on average probably 4/5 aren't "free now" "Nice tits" or "fancy a fuck" type messages " And if you gather together 50 of those ones you'll find maybe 2 that aren't blatant copy pastes that they send out to any viable orifice without bothering to read a profile. | |||
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"100% The same goes for women, lots of women I know, myself included struggle because out of all the men on here we only find a small amount attractive and out of those who we find attractive we only find a small amount of them respectful Oh. So this I wish men would understand it isn't easy on here for women either. The amount of crass and disrespectful messages women get on here is astounding. Out of 50 I would say on average probably 4/5 aren't "free now" "Nice tits" or "fancy a fuck" type messages " A food friend of mine used to be on here and she used to let me read the messages she got sent....opened my eyes thats for sure, some of them were disgusting and the rest weren't much better. I'm not talking about 1 or 2 messages either , it could be in the 100s. | |||
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"100% The same goes for women, lots of women I know, myself included struggle because out of all the men on here we only find a small amount attractive and out of those who we find attractive we only find a small amount of them respectful Oh. So this I wish men would understand it isn't easy on here for women either. The amount of crass and disrespectful messages women get on here is astounding. Out of 50 I would say on average probably 4/5 aren't "free now" "Nice tits" or "fancy a fuck" type messages " Absolutely this you wouldn’t speak to someone in a bar or face to face like it, so don’t do it on fab. | |||
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"This is going to sound harsh but this isn't tinder or fetlife and the hordes of single men who treat it like it is make the site worse for everyone" I've never used tinder, and although I have a profile in FL, I can honestly say I've had next to zero interaction with anyone in there, as it's just a platform to advertise OF accounts for women in Antarctica...... | |||
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"Ok, so how many of you single guys here would consider yourself to be average in terms of appearance? I'm talking about the 'dad bod' or average height/build? And how many of you have had meets? How many of you actually have a response when you reach out to women/couples here? And how many of you are successful? How many of you think that expectations are too high? With many women/couples only wanting to meet men who are (I quote) tall, in shape,gym fit,hung,bbc, verified. I am curious to know because I would class myself as an average single guy and I am massively failing on Fab. I contact women/couples daily. I am always polite, friendly and respectful. And yet, every single sent message is either unread, read and ignored, read and instantly deleted or read and instantly blocked. I can't even get a response or conversation going, let alone a meet! I've also reconstructed my profile several times and added better photos. Still made no difference. I can only assume that my lack of success here is down to the fact that I'm an average single guy and no one here wants average..." I have just read your profile, your status update would put me off replying to a message. | |||
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"Fab is like social media. If you make an instagram page and post random content (vid of a tree one day, then a car, then a screenshot of a poem) no one on instagram will be too interested in you and your follower count will never grow. However if you focus your content, so all of your content is of trees, then people who love trees will see your content and decide to follow. A lot of guys on here with no success arent just average in looks. Theyre average in content. Up your game lads. If you have a fetish/kink eg if you wish to be a bull dom then all of your content needs to be centred around that. Write a really nice bio talking about that fetish, Post pictures of yourself as a dom (pics with ex partners where their identity is well hidden, camera angle looking up at you nude etc etc), create forum posts about being a dom, update your status regularly. If you do this then the chances of you finding a couple that are looking for a dom bull will go sooo much higher and all the other average guys with bland profiles and content will be left behind and posting forums like this lol" Flip side of this is that a lot of single women won’t touch a man who has pictures of another woman on his single bloke profile because we have no way of knowing if they are there with consent or not. | |||
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"Here you need to have/be: - Black or white (Tanned isn't good) - At least 5'10'' - 7'' or 8'' inch counts as average length - No body hair (Not even chest) - No short hair (Under 0.5 inch) - Possibly no beard - Dad bod means you're not ripped - None smoker, but can be an alcoholic or junkie - Possibly straight - If you are bi, then you must be top None of the above applies if: - You are tall - Most women consider you handsome - You are 8 inch plus I'm not being negative. These are the expectations from most women/couples. Not just the ones out of your league. Even the average women/couples. Funny fact, that every woman here is either slim, average or curvy. I must be slim! Yes! all these attributes are exactly what most women want. Fucking our way around all the hot tall 8 inchers. It's hard work but good fun. " Literally every female/couple profile states in the bio either/all: -White English only/or other version -BBC/8'' plus -Tall/At least 5'10'' ...etc. I meant no women puts BBW/Large in their profile. It's like I'd would put tall,hung or gym fit in my profile. | |||
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"Here you need to have/be: - Black or white (Tanned isn't good) - At least 5'10'' - 7'' or 8'' inch counts as average length - No body hair (Not even chest) - No short hair (Under 0.5 inch) - Possibly no beard - Dad bod means you're not ripped - None smoker, but can be an alcoholic or junkie - Possibly straight - If you are bi, then you must be top None of the above applies if: - You are tall - Most women consider you handsome - You are 8 inch plus I'm not being negative. These are the expectations from most women/couples. Not just the ones out of your league. Even the average women/couples. Funny fact, that every woman here is either slim, average or curvy. That is among the biggest lot of bollocks I've seen on this subject. If people believe that then they are just making excuses for themselves. " Says the guy with the big girthy cock. | |||
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"Eh, women are always being overly picky. It's an ego thing. They tend to be dating up instead of equal or down. Comes with the territory. I think I am fairly average looking, but I am doing quite well. I met maybe 6 girls this year from fabs, and I met like 4 or so without fabs. Got my own crazy stalker, whom I blocked and she keeps getting new numbers to message me and tell me that me being pissed off is being sexy and stuff lmao. I get ignored a lot when I message, at ths point I don't even bother any more with trying to message for meets, I just reply to status updates and profiles and have my own fun. But usually fun gets ignored, if you're not their type. So don't get too annoyed about it. Just block the girls who ignore you and move on, don't need to chase after the rude ones." Are they picky or do they prefer to have sex with they find attractive? | |||
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"Here you need to have/be: - Black or white (Tanned isn't good) - At least 5'10'' - 7'' or 8'' inch counts as average length - No body hair (Not even chest) - No short hair (Under 0.5 inch) - Possibly no beard - Dad bod means you're not ripped - None smoker, but can be an alcoholic or junkie - Possibly straight - If you are bi, then you must be top None of the above applies if: - You are tall - Most women consider you handsome - You are 8 inch plus I'm not being negative. These are the expectations from most women/couples. Not just the ones out of your league. Even the average women/couples. Funny fact, that every woman here is either slim, average or curvy. I must be slim! Yes! all these attributes are exactly what most women want. Fucking our way around all the hot tall 8 inchers. It's hard work but good fun. Literally every female/couple profile states in the bio either/all: -White English only/or other version -BBC/8'' plus -Tall/At least 5'10'' ...etc. I meant no women puts BBW/Large in their profile. It's like I'd would put tall,hung or gym fit in my profile." This is so incorrect What orifice do you lot pull this information from? | |||
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"Eh, women are always being overly picky. It's an ego thing. They tend to be dating up instead of equal or down. Comes with the territory. I think I am fairly average looking, but I am doing quite well. I met maybe 6 girls this year from fabs, and I met like 4 or so without fabs. Got my own crazy stalker, whom I blocked and she keeps getting new numbers to message me and tell me that me being pissed off is being sexy and stuff lmao. I get ignored a lot when I message, at ths point I don't even bother any more with trying to message for meets, I just reply to status updates and profiles and have my own fun. But usually fun gets ignored, if you're not their type. So don't get too annoyed about it. Just block the girls who ignore you and move on, don't need to chase after the rude ones. Are they picky or do they prefer to have sex with they find attractive? " They are being picky. It's not just about being attractive, the guy has to be more attractive than she think she is. Average is attractive technically, because it's average right, but not to a woman, who only wants 7+ | |||
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"Eh, women are always being overly picky. It's an ego thing. They tend to be dating up instead of equal or down. Comes with the territory. I think I am fairly average looking, but I am doing quite well. I met maybe 6 girls this year from fabs, and I met like 4 or so without fabs. Got my own crazy stalker, whom I blocked and she keeps getting new numbers to message me and tell me that me being pissed off is being sexy and stuff lmao. I get ignored a lot when I message, at ths point I don't even bother any more with trying to message for meets, I just reply to status updates and profiles and have my own fun. But usually fun gets ignored, if you're not their type. So don't get too annoyed about it. Just block the girls who ignore you and move on, don't need to chase after the rude ones. Are they picky or do they prefer to have sex with they find attractive? They are being picky. It's not just about being attractive, the guy has to be more attractive than she think she is. Average is attractive technically, because it's average right, but not to a woman, who only wants 7+" It's not being picky if someone wants to have sex with a person they find attractive, regardless if you think she's is not attractive enough to have preferences or not Who is the decider or who is attractive or is average? You? | |||
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"Eh, women are always being overly picky. It's an ego thing. They tend to be dating up instead of equal or down. Comes with the territory. I think I am fairly average looking, but I am doing quite well. I met maybe 6 girls this year from fabs, and I met like 4 or so without fabs. Got my own crazy stalker, whom I blocked and she keeps getting new numbers to message me and tell me that me being pissed off is being sexy and stuff lmao. I get ignored a lot when I message, at ths point I don't even bother any more with trying to message for meets, I just reply to status updates and profiles and have my own fun. But usually fun gets ignored, if you're not their type. So don't get too annoyed about it. Just block the girls who ignore you and move on, don't need to chase after the rude ones. Are they picky or do they prefer to have sex with they find attractive? They are being picky. It's not just about being attractive, the guy has to be more attractive than she think she is. Average is attractive technically, because it's average right, but not to a woman, who only wants 7+ It's not being picky if someone wants to have sex with a person they find attractive, regardless if you think she's is not attractive enough to have preferences or not Who is the decider or who is attractive or is average? You?" Oh god the entitlement again | |||
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"Flip side of this is that a lot of single women won’t touch a man who has pictures of another woman on his single bloke profile because we have no way of knowing if they are there with consent or not. " Good point. However i meant themed images as in if a dom bull wannabe persues getting experience in dominating a woman (maybe not from fab) then using pics from then could be useful. Proves its not just all talk. And hopefully in this scenario the woman will be aware of the mans kinks and this website. But yeah posting pics without consent is horrible. Iv had a few people admit to it on our couples profile and it was a huge turn off for the both of us. All of the guys were instantly blocked and reported | |||
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"Here you need to have/be: - Black or white (Tanned isn't good) - At least 5'10'' - 7'' or 8'' inch counts as average length - No body hair (Not even chest) - No short hair (Under 0.5 inch) - Possibly no beard - Dad bod means you're not ripped - None smoker, but can be an alcoholic or junkie - Possibly straight - If you are bi, then you must be top None of the above applies if: - You are tall - Most women consider you handsome - You are 8 inch plus I'm not being negative. These are the expectations from most women/couples. Not just the ones out of your league. Even the average women/couples. Funny fact, that every woman here is either slim, average or curvy. This isn't true But even if it was so what? People are allowed to have preferences and are allowed to decide who they have sex with Would you consider having sex with people who you don't find attractive? " The topic isn't about who has right to what. It's about average guys have slim to no chance. Yes, I would if some things I find attractive/turn on. I don't look for perfection. Have you ever seen a male profile states anything like this? -Cup C minimum -Only extra tight vagina -No stretch mark on MILFs -Not taller than 5'6'' -Size 8 max...etc. | |||
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"Here you need to have/be: - Black or white (Tanned isn't good) - At least 5'10'' - 7'' or 8'' inch counts as average length - No body hair (Not even chest) - No short hair (Under 0.5 inch) - Possibly no beard - Dad bod means you're not ripped - None smoker, but can be an alcoholic or junkie - Possibly straight - If you are bi, then you must be top None of the above applies if: - You are tall - Most women consider you handsome - You are 8 inch plus I'm not being negative. These are the expectations from most women/couples. Not just the ones out of your league. Even the average women/couples. Funny fact, that every woman here is either slim, average or curvy. I must be slim! Yes! all these attributes are exactly what most women want. Fucking our way around all the hot tall 8 inchers. It's hard work but good fun. Literally every female/couple profile states in the bio either/all: -White English only/or other version -BBC/8'' plus -Tall/At least 5'10'' ...etc. I meant no women puts BBW/Large in their profile. It's like I'd would put tall,hung or gym fit in my profile. This is so incorrect What orifice do you lot pull this information from?" 20 mile radius of Norwich | |||
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"Eh, women are always being overly picky. It's an ego thing. They tend to be dating up instead of equal or down. Comes with the territory. I think I am fairly average looking, but I am doing quite well. I met maybe 6 girls this year from fabs, and I met like 4 or so without fabs. Got my own crazy stalker, whom I blocked and she keeps getting new numbers to message me and tell me that me being pissed off is being sexy and stuff lmao. I get ignored a lot when I message, at ths point I don't even bother any more with trying to message for meets, I just reply to status updates and profiles and have my own fun. But usually fun gets ignored, if you're not their type. So don't get too annoyed about it. Just block the girls who ignore you and move on, don't need to chase after the rude ones. Are they picky or do they prefer to have sex with they find attractive? They are being picky. It's not just about being attractive, the guy has to be more attractive than she think she is. Average is attractive technically, because it's average right, but not to a woman, who only wants 7+ It's not being picky if someone wants to have sex with a person they find attractive, regardless if you think she's is not attractive enough to have preferences or not Who is the decider or who is attractive or is average? You? Oh god the entitlement again " Who's being entitled? A - the person who has said that people are allowed preferences Or B - the person who is salty because 'average' people only want to have sex with people they find attractive People are allowed whatever preferences their hearts/gentials desires, it doesn't affect anyone else except them and the people they're potentially going to meet | |||
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"Here you need to have/be: - Black or white (Tanned isn't good) - At least 5'10'' - 7'' or 8'' inch counts as average length - No body hair (Not even chest) - No short hair (Under 0.5 inch) - Possibly no beard - Dad bod means you're not ripped - None smoker, but can be an alcoholic or junkie - Possibly straight - If you are bi, then you must be top None of the above applies if: - You are tall - Most women consider you handsome - You are 8 inch plus I'm not being negative. These are the expectations from most women/couples. Not just the ones out of your league. Even the average women/couples. Funny fact, that every woman here is either slim, average or curvy. This isn't true But even if it was so what? People are allowed to have preferences and are allowed to decide who they have sex with Would you consider having sex with people who you don't find attractive? The topic isn't about who has right to what. It's about average guys have slim to no chance. Yes, I would if some things I find attractive/turn on. I don't look for perfection. Have you ever seen a male profile states anything like this? -Cup C minimum -Only extra tight vagina -No stretch mark on MILFs -Not taller than 5'6'' -Size 8 max...etc. " So because men don't have preferences women shouldn't and should just have sex with all the 'average' men who want to have sex with them? | |||
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"Depends on your definition of average. I'm well above most people's age filters, I'm not hung and haven't set foot in a gym in years and I'm not going to win any beauty contests. I refuse to meet without a social and insist on chatting for weeks and sometimes months before meeting. I don't blow smoke up anyone's backside and only offer my own opinion on the forums. Almost every day I go against the grain in forum discussions. I don't see others having outrageous expectations. I just see people who's expectations don't match mine and many will look at my profile and say exactly the same. I may tick a lot of boxes in some peoples definition of average but I decided years ago never to refer to myself as average ever again so I won't be raising my hand. That's not out of cockiness or arrogance but more about how I changed as a person since turning 50 and accepting that I wasn't as invisible as I had always thought. Despite all of the above, my age, my lack of a gym body, my lack of a huge penis or my refusal to bend the knee I have somehow managed to have lots of meets and experiences through this site. Most barriers on fab are self built. " If more men had this mindset they'd be less crying in the forums about not getting any meets | |||
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"Here you need to have/be: - Black or white (Tanned isn't good) - At least 5'10'' - 7'' or 8'' inch counts as average length - No body hair (Not even chest) - No short hair (Under 0.5 inch) - Possibly no beard - Dad bod means you're not ripped - None smoker, but can be an alcoholic or junkie - Possibly straight - If you are bi, then you must be top None of the above applies if: - You are tall - Most women consider you handsome - You are 8 inch plus I'm not being negative. These are the expectations from most women/couples. Not just the ones out of your league. Even the average women/couples. Funny fact, that every woman here is either slim, average or curvy. This isn't true But even if it was so what? People are allowed to have preferences and are allowed to decide who they have sex with Would you consider having sex with people who you don't find attractive? The topic isn't about who has right to what. It's about average guys have slim to no chance. Yes, I would if some things I find attractive/turn on. I don't look for perfection. Have you ever seen a male profile states anything like this? -Cup C minimum -Only extra tight vagina -No stretch mark on MILFs -Not taller than 5'6'' -Size 8 max...etc. So because men don't have preferences women shouldn't and should just have sex with all the 'average' men who want to have sex with them?" Of course I have preferences. I put a few times no BBW, but I removed it. I fought it's a bit rude. I like a nice bum, but I don't specify it with measurements. It's a swinger site. You're not looking for your partner for life. Nobody even see what you do with who in your bedroom. Every woman has a guy who secretly fancies, but don't act because the others think the guy is not attractive. Seriously dating it would matter some. Here if someone is discreet, then nobody would even know about it. | |||
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"Here you need to have/be: - Black or white (Tanned isn't good) - At least 5'10'' - 7'' or 8'' inch counts as average length - No body hair (Not even chest) - No short hair (Under 0.5 inch) - Possibly no beard - Dad bod means you're not ripped - None smoker, but can be an alcoholic or junkie - Possibly straight - If you are bi, then you must be top None of the above applies if: - You are tall - Most women consider you handsome - You are 8 inch plus I'm not being negative. These are the expectations from most women/couples. Not just the ones out of your league. Even the average women/couples. Funny fact, that every woman here is either slim, average or curvy. This isn't true But even if it was so what? People are allowed to have preferences and are allowed to decide who they have sex with Would you consider having sex with people who you don't find attractive? The topic isn't about who has right to what. It's about average guys have slim to no chance. Yes, I would if some things I find attractive/turn on. I don't look for perfection. Have you ever seen a male profile states anything like this? -Cup C minimum -Only extra tight vagina -No stretch mark on MILFs -Not taller than 5'6'' -Size 8 max...etc. So because men don't have preferences women shouldn't and should just have sex with all the 'average' men who want to have sex with them? Of course I have preferences. I put a few times no BBW, but I removed it. I fought it's a bit rude. I like a nice bum, but I don't specify it with measurements. It's a swinger site. You're not looking for your partner for life. Nobody even see what you do with who in your bedroom. Every woman has a guy who secretly fancies, but don't act because the others think the guy is not attractive. Seriously dating it would matter some. Here if someone is discreet, then nobody would even know about it. " So because its not dating you think looks shouldn't matter? I think cause its about sex and sexual attraction it matters more here than if you were looking for a life partner Its not rude to say you don't find bbw attractive, those who aren't what you're looking for will just move along But just think why it's OK for you to have your preferences "no bbw" but you're on this thread complaining about women having there own preferences | |||
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"Here you need to have/be: - Black or white (Tanned isn't good) - At least 5'10'' - 7'' or 8'' inch counts as average length - No body hair (Not even chest) - No short hair (Under 0.5 inch) - Possibly no beard - Dad bod means you're not ripped - None smoker, but can be an alcoholic or junkie - Possibly straight - If you are bi, then you must be top None of the above applies if: - You are tall - Most women consider you handsome - You are 8 inch plus I'm not being negative. These are the expectations from most women/couples. Not just the ones out of your league. Even the average women/couples. Funny fact, that every woman here is either slim, average or curvy. This isn't true But even if it was so what? People are allowed to have preferences and are allowed to decide who they have sex with Would you consider having sex with people who you don't find attractive? The topic isn't about who has right to what. It's about average guys have slim to no chance. Yes, I would if some things I find attractive/turn on. I don't look for perfection. Have you ever seen a male profile states anything like this? -Cup C minimum -Only extra tight vagina -No stretch mark on MILFs -Not taller than 5'6'' -Size 8 max...etc. So because men don't have preferences women shouldn't and should just have sex with all the 'average' men who want to have sex with them? Of course I have preferences. I put a few times no BBW, but I removed it. I fought it's a bit rude. I like a nice bum, but I don't specify it with measurements. It's a swinger site. You're not looking for your partner for life. Nobody even see what you do with who in your bedroom. Every woman has a guy who secretly fancies, but don't act because the others think the guy is not attractive. Seriously dating it would matter some. Here if someone is discreet, then nobody would even know about it. So because its not dating you think looks shouldn't matter? I think cause its about sex and sexual attraction it matters more here than if you were looking for a life partner Its not rude to say you don't find bbw attractive, those who aren't what you're looking for will just move along But just think why it's OK for you to have your preferences "no bbw" but you're on this thread complaining about women having there own preferences" I was about to send you a private message. Nothing special, just to say you're not wrong just a little bit biased. Also, thanks for the interesting discussion. Then I noticed I'm blocked. You just made my case I guess. Real mature. | |||
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"Here you need to have/be: - Black or white (Tanned isn't good) - At least 5'10'' - 7'' or 8'' inch counts as average length - No body hair (Not even chest) - No short hair (Under 0.5 inch) - Possibly no beard - Dad bod means you're not ripped - None smoker, but can be an alcoholic or junkie - Possibly straight - If you are bi, then you must be top None of the above applies if: - You are tall - Most women consider you handsome - You are 8 inch plus I'm not being negative. These are the expectations from most women/couples. Not just the ones out of your league. Even the average women/couples. Funny fact, that every woman here is either slim, average or curvy. This isn't true But even if it was so what? People are allowed to have preferences and are allowed to decide who they have sex with Would you consider having sex with people who you don't find attractive? The topic isn't about who has right to what. It's about average guys have slim to no chance. Yes, I would if some things I find attractive/turn on. I don't look for perfection. Have you ever seen a male profile states anything like this? -Cup C minimum -Only extra tight vagina -No stretch mark on MILFs -Not taller than 5'6'' -Size 8 max...etc. So because men don't have preferences women shouldn't and should just have sex with all the 'average' men who want to have sex with them? Of course I have preferences. I put a few times no BBW, but I removed it. I fought it's a bit rude. I like a nice bum, but I don't specify it with measurements. It's a swinger site. You're not looking for your partner for life. Nobody even see what you do with who in your bedroom. Every woman has a guy who secretly fancies, but don't act because the others think the guy is not attractive. Seriously dating it would matter some. Here if someone is discreet, then nobody would even know about it. So because its not dating you think looks shouldn't matter? I think cause its about sex and sexual attraction it matters more here than if you were looking for a life partner Its not rude to say you don't find bbw attractive, those who aren't what you're looking for will just move along But just think why it's OK for you to have your preferences "no bbw" but you're on this thread complaining about women having there own preferences I was about to send you a private message. Nothing special, just to say you're not wrong just a little bit biased. Also, thanks for the interesting discussion. Then I noticed I'm blocked. You just made my case I guess. Real mature." Why would that of needed to sent in a message to my inbox when we are having a discussion on a thread? Maybe I am biased? There seems to be a daily discussion on here about women and their preferences coupled with the amount of abuse myself and other women get in the DMs surrounding our preferences. If I had a pound for everytime I've been told I "shouldn't be picky(I'm not picky, I just chose to stick to what I know I like) because I'm fat/black/unattractive" I could take myself on a nice all expenses paid holiday. Women don't attack those whose preferences don't include us so I don't understand why men attack those whose preferences don't include them | |||
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"Here you need to have/be: - Black or white (Tanned isn't good) - At least 5'10'' - 7'' or 8'' inch counts as average length - No body hair (Not even chest) - No short hair (Under 0.5 inch) - Possibly no beard - Dad bod means you're not ripped - None smoker, but can be an alcoholic or junkie - Possibly straight - If you are bi, then you must be top None of the above applies if: - You are tall - Most women consider you handsome - You are 8 inch plus I'm not being negative. These are the expectations from most women/couples. Not just the ones out of your league. Even the average women/couples. Funny fact, that every woman here is either slim, average or curvy. This isn't true But even if it was so what? People are allowed to have preferences and are allowed to decide who they have sex with Would you consider having sex with people who you don't find attractive? The topic isn't about who has right to what. It's about average guys have slim to no chance. Yes, I would if some things I find attractive/turn on. I don't look for perfection. Have you ever seen a male profile states anything like this? -Cup C minimum -Only extra tight vagina -No stretch mark on MILFs -Not taller than 5'6'' -Size 8 max...etc. So because men don't have preferences women shouldn't and should just have sex with all the 'average' men who want to have sex with them? Of course I have preferences. I put a few times no BBW, but I removed it. I fought it's a bit rude. I like a nice bum, but I don't specify it with measurements. It's a swinger site. You're not looking for your partner for life. Nobody even see what you do with who in your bedroom. Every woman has a guy who secretly fancies, but don't act because the others think the guy is not attractive. Seriously dating it would matter some. Here if someone is discreet, then nobody would even know about it. So because its not dating you think looks shouldn't matter? I think cause its about sex and sexual attraction it matters more here than if you were looking for a life partner Its not rude to say you don't find bbw attractive, those who aren't what you're looking for will just move along But just think why it's OK for you to have your preferences "no bbw" but you're on this thread complaining about women having there own preferences I was about to send you a private message. Nothing special, just to say you're not wrong just a little bit biased. Also, thanks for the interesting discussion. Then I noticed I'm blocked. You just made my case I guess. Real mature. Why would that of needed to sent in a message to my inbox when we are having a discussion on a thread? Maybe I am biased? There seems to be a daily discussion on here about women and their preferences coupled with the amount of abuse myself and other women get in the DMs surrounding our preferences. If I had a pound for everytime I've been told I "shouldn't be picky(I'm not picky, I just chose to stick to what I know I like) because I'm fat/black/unattractive" I could take myself on a nice all expenses paid holiday. Women don't attack those whose preferences don't include us so I don't understand why men attack those whose preferences don't include them" Because we our threads occupying the whole board. Also, I'm clearly wouldn't message you for other reason. I mean you are : -Far away from me -Out of my league -Getting a slight man hater vibe | |||
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"Erm I'm single average guy.but do OK on here I'm very positive person and friendly and honest and it does help having a big dick lol " Say thank you for your dick | |||
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"Here you need to have/be: - Black or white (Tanned isn't good) - At least 5'10'' - 7'' or 8'' inch counts as average length - No body hair (Not even chest) - No short hair (Under 0.5 inch) - Possibly no beard - Dad bod means you're not ripped - None smoker, but can be an alcoholic or junkie - Possibly straight - If you are bi, then you must be top None of the above applies if: - You are tall - Most women consider you handsome - You are 8 inch plus I'm not being negative. These are the expectations from most women/couples. Not just the ones out of your league. Even the average women/couples. Funny fact, that every woman here is either slim, average or curvy. This isn't true But even if it was so what? People are allowed to have preferences and are allowed to decide who they have sex with Would you consider having sex with people who you don't find attractive? The topic isn't about who has right to what. It's about average guys have slim to no chance. Yes, I would if some things I find attractive/turn on. I don't look for perfection. Have you ever seen a male profile states anything like this? -Cup C minimum -Only extra tight vagina -No stretch mark on MILFs -Not taller than 5'6'' -Size 8 max...etc. So because men don't have preferences women shouldn't and should just have sex with all the 'average' men who want to have sex with them? Of course I have preferences. I put a few times no BBW, but I removed it. I fought it's a bit rude. I like a nice bum, but I don't specify it with measurements. It's a swinger site. You're not looking for your partner for life. Nobody even see what you do with who in your bedroom. Every woman has a guy who secretly fancies, but don't act because the others think the guy is not attractive. Seriously dating it would matter some. Here if someone is discreet, then nobody would even know about it. So because its not dating you think looks shouldn't matter? I think cause its about sex and sexual attraction it matters more here than if you were looking for a life partner Its not rude to say you don't find bbw attractive, those who aren't what you're looking for will just move along But just think why it's OK for you to have your preferences "no bbw" but you're on this thread complaining about women having there own preferences I was about to send you a private message. Nothing special, just to say you're not wrong just a little bit biased. Also, thanks for the interesting discussion. Then I noticed I'm blocked. You just made my case I guess. Real mature. Why would that of needed to sent in a message to my inbox when we are having a discussion on a thread? Maybe I am biased? There seems to be a daily discussion on here about women and their preferences coupled with the amount of abuse myself and other women get in the DMs surrounding our preferences. If I had a pound for everytime I've been told I "shouldn't be picky(I'm not picky, I just chose to stick to what I know I like) because I'm fat/black/unattractive" I could take myself on a nice all expenses paid holiday. Women don't attack those whose preferences don't include us so I don't understand why men attack those whose preferences don't include them Because we our threads occupying the whole board. Also, I'm clearly wouldn't message you for other reason. I mean you are : -Far away from me -Out of my league -Getting a slight man hater vibe" Your self depreciating won't do you any favours on here I'm not out of anyone's league and neither is anyone else Who is in charge to say anyone is more attractive than anyone else or who is or isn't average/above average I think the problem isn't the women on here who have their preferences is the men who are insecure so automatically blame their looks as a reason for not getting any success when the reality of this site is that there are a larger number of men on here than women and it is impossible for every guy on here to be successful | |||
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"Here you need to have/be: - Black or white (Tanned isn't good) - At least 5'10'' - 7'' or 8'' inch counts as average length - No body hair (Not even chest) - No short hair (Under 0.5 inch) - Possibly no beard - Dad bod means you're not ripped - None smoker, but can be an alcoholic or junkie - Possibly straight - If you are bi, then you must be top None of the above applies if: - You are tall - Most women consider you handsome - You are 8 inch plus I'm not being negative. These are the expectations from most women/couples. Not just the ones out of your league. Even the average women/couples. Funny fact, that every woman here is either slim, average or curvy. I must be slim! Yes! all these attributes are exactly what most women want. Fucking our way around all the hot tall 8 inchers. It's hard work but good fun. Literally every female/couple profile states in the bio either/all: -White English only/or other version -BBC/8'' plus -Tall/At least 5'10'' ...etc. I meant no women puts BBW/Large in their profile. It's like I'd would put tall,hung or gym fit in my profile." I've been here over 7 years and I've never seen any of that on a profile. | |||
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"Here you need to have/be: - Black or white (Tanned isn't good) - At least 5'10'' - 7'' or 8'' inch counts as average length - No body hair (Not even chest) - No short hair (Under 0.5 inch) - Possibly no beard - Dad bod means you're not ripped - None smoker, but can be an alcoholic or junkie - Possibly straight - If you are bi, then you must be top None of the above applies if: - You are tall - Most women consider you handsome - You are 8 inch plus I'm not being negative. These are the expectations from most women/couples. Not just the ones out of your league. Even the average women/couples. Funny fact, that every woman here is either slim, average or curvy. I must be slim! Yes! all these attributes are exactly what most women want. Fucking our way around all the hot tall 8 inchers. It's hard work but good fun. Literally every female/couple profile states in the bio either/all: -White English only/or other version -BBC/8'' plus -Tall/At least 5'10'' ...etc. I meant no women puts BBW/Large in their profile. It's like I'd would put tall,hung or gym fit in my profile. I've been here over 7 years and I've never seen any of that on a profile." Well, It's either a Norwich thing or I'm imagining. I'm sane and have a job requires to be totally on the spot. Maybe I just check out more lady's profile than you. | |||
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"Your self depreciating won't do you any favours on here I'm not out of anyone's league and neither is anyone else Who is in charge to say anyone is more attractive than anyone else or who is or isn't average/above average I think the problem isn't the women on here who have their preferences is the men who are insecure so automatically blame their looks as a reason for not getting any success when the reality of this site is that there are a larger number of men on here than women and it is impossible for every guy on here to be successful. Just check 20-30 female or couple profile randomly with any kind of looks. You will see why this topic exist here. I changed my bio like 100 times. Changed my photos 100 times. Changed even my sexual preferences a couple of times. Put face pics. Put body pics. At some point I showed literally everything. I sent every kind of messages spending time to be based on their profile. Most of time is either ignore or block. No! I've never sent dick pic, unless they asked for it. Never sent ''I'm free'' ''Wanna fuck'' messages. I've sent some really nice messages. Guess what? Doesn't matter. They will never know, if I'm nice or not. Didn't get even close to a meet and being a site member for a year. I might seem bitter for you, but the truth is I didn't have sex for years. Swinger site was my last hope. Then I realised I have even less chance here. " And I appreciate that but just because you haven't had sex for a years hence why you joined the site doesn't mean that women on here owe you sex There are no enough women on here for the amount of people looking for them, it's not just single men, there are plenty of couples profiles looking for single women and unable to meet any Alot of it is a numbers game, a good profile will help but having a good profile/pictures doesn't automatically mean that women will throw themselves at you | |||
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"Here you need to have/be: - Black or white (Tanned isn't good) - At least 5'10'' - 7'' or 8'' inch counts as average length - No body hair (Not even chest) - No short hair (Under 0.5 inch) - Possibly no beard - Dad bod means you're not ripped - None smoker, but can be an alcoholic or junkie - Possibly straight - If you are bi, then you must be top None of the above applies if: - You are tall - Most women consider you handsome - You are 8 inch plus I'm not being negative. These are the expectations from most women/couples. Not just the ones out of your league. Even the average women/couples. Funny fact, that every woman here is either slim, average or curvy. I must be slim! Yes! all these attributes are exactly what most women want. Fucking our way around all the hot tall 8 inchers. It's hard work but good fun. Literally every female/couple profile states in the bio either/all: -White English only/or other version -BBC/8'' plus -Tall/At least 5'10'' ...etc. I meant no women puts BBW/Large in their profile. It's like I'd would put tall,hung or gym fit in my profile. I've been here over 7 years and I've never seen any of that on a profile. Well, It's either a Norwich thing or I'm imagining. I'm sane and have a job requires to be totally on the spot. Maybe I just check out more lady's profile than you." Tbf I've defo seen those things written on people's profiles But so what if they are written, people are allowed to write what they want as long and they're not disrespectful and offensive | |||
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"If I was interviewing for a job and two people who were adequate applied, I'd speak to them both and enter into a dialogue. If I had 200 applicants, I'd instantly dismiss all of the adequate ones and look at the exceptional. The next time I advertised a similar role I'd raise the expectations, and while I might only get 20-30 applicants, they'd be of a much higher standard. May I be overlooking an exceptional candidate because they don't meet the criteria? Absolutely but I'd take my chances. It's exactly the same here. It's a massive numbers game. I personally don't get many responses here but when I've gone to big events and just talked to people like human beings and no expectations I've always come away better than average. It's hard to come across well through text and if like me, you bounce of other people it's hard to get that across. For average guys the site be used as an accompliment to meeting in real life group situations." How about if 20 out of those 30 doesn't turn up to work without a warning? Obviously you're not the only business there and they got a better offer. | |||
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"I'm not gym fit. I'm not hung. I get nervous around large groups of people. Yet I do alright. Probably better than alright. The sole reason for that is because I read the advice and followed it. I make the effort. It's pretty telling that the only 'average guys' that are disparaging about women and their choices are the ones that can't get meets. Imagine complaining on a public forum about the very women your trying to meet. It beggar's belief. And my belief is this. The guys who complain are only here to do that. It's obvious self sabotage and clear from their post histories that no amount of encouragement or advice is going to change anything. Why are they still here? Because no one else would listen to such petty grievances in the real world. None of these men would walk around a pub at the end of the night and have a go at women for not being attracted to them. " You are not average either, but a woman could say that for sure. It's a little bit like when rich people say money doesn't make you happy. | |||
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