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"With the full enthusiastic consent of the wife it's fabulous "Ha ha what she said 
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For me, single men bring much less drama and that whole married have no feelings isn’t true.
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"Zero interest in anyone cheating, but married isn’t a problem providing the other half is happy. I definitely do judge people who cheat on their partners. For me there’s never an excuse and I certainly don’t ever want to be involved. " 100% agree with this. | |||
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"I am .my husband's married to me. "lucky Rob | |||
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"With the full enthusiastic consent of the wife it's fabulous "I agree! I heard married guys fuck better. Don’t know if that’s true?! | |||
"It does always give me a giggle when attached folks describe themselves as "genuine" "‘Genuine, respectful married guy looking for discreet encounters’ | |||
"With the full enthusiastic consent of the wife it's fabulous
I agree! I heard married guys fuck better. Don’t know if that’s true?! "The ones who haven't had sex in ages are great fucks. Desperation makes them hard. | |||
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"It’s a massive turn on and I love it. Advice, don’t lie and say you are single. Tell them at start and let them decide if they will meet or not. "  | |||
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"It does always give me a giggle when attached folks describe themselves as "genuine"
‘Genuine, respectful married guy looking for discreet encounters’ "Tale as old as time!!  | |||
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"Ladies whats your thoughts on being with a married man " Great at first. But the married man needs to respect the person’s emotions and keep their distance, it’s not fair to love bomb someone , text them all day, every day, see them often throughout the week and not expect an attachment to form in the process. Equally when they move on they end up doing it to the next unsuspecting lady. And so on and so forth. If a wife is in the mix - there should be full consent directly from the wife on video call. And allow them to make an informed choice, not constantly lie about things. Imo | |||
"With the full enthusiastic consent of the wife it's fabulous " | |||
"That's something for their conscience, not mine "That’s how I look at as long as all want to do fine with me. Appreciate some don’t like. My wife knows anyway when play alone but don’t always tell meet that | |||
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"At least married men know it's just sex and nothing else. I have had so many guys that seam to want a friendship and my phone number. " Like you approach Cherry. Not gonna fall in love here myself | |||
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"At least married men know it's just sex and nothing else. I have had so many guys that seam to want a friendship and my phone number. " Unfortunately there are married men who will not respect boundaries and get close, I was a lover , but I was misinformed and mis-led , thinking most men on here are married. I was looking for a play partner and the comparability was there. After being on the receiving end of a series of lies and mis-information, manipulation and divisiveness, it’s a never again for me. | |||
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"I would stay clear of married men as I’ve seen first hand the damage and pain it can cause "This.... | |||
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"With the full enthusiastic consent of the wife it's fabulous ". Exactly this. Yes they can lie and say they're single but I won't meet a married man playing away without permission if I can help it | |||
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"Many married women seek pleasure" exactly, this goes both ways!! When someone states in their profile, that they would like to stay discreet, then everyone should just respect that, as they do for their own privacy too. Judging and then asking them lot's of questions and that, is basically trying to invade that discretion they want. It's a easy thing to be very curious tho, for all of us, everyone does it, I've asked questions, even though I know they want pure discretion. Obviously I got told off and blocked, for asking if they were married lol a lot people don't get it tho, what that persons story is, and why they want to come on here and cheat on their partner. Yes it's wrong but everyone should still respect it. There is a million reasons why they might do it. Some men get bullied by their wives and is a long time victim of abuse, and maybe this is the only way that he can release everything, and get what he wants now and then. Is that really so bad if your going through hell at home? Yeah people will then say. Why not just leave her then? Well again, that could be the easy way out for some people, and not for others. Some are even too afraid to be alone, so they will just put up with it, because this site might help and get him through that shit at home. Especially if they think they are too old to be alone too. There are 100's of reasons why men will cheat and don't want to talk about it, but then forced and judged on, and I say men, because it's mostly men that this happens to, and makes someone ask a question like this one. It is a bit one sided on this subject, if a man asks a woman about it, they have a go at him. When a woman asks a man, he ends up feeling backed in a corner most likely, pressured and then made to feel and look like a fool. But it does swing both sides here. If I see someone with discreet needed, if that bothers you, just go on past, why ask questions wasting each others time's. But if you don't mind that, then go with the flow and get it on with each other, no questions asked lol simple really!! Same goes when someone wants NSA. You either want it or not? Lol why ask each other questions and then end up letting it get to you, because you are doing it too and feeling guilty about it lol don't say anything and just do it, have some nsa fun with someone. I came on here to find some good conversations with people and have some fun too. I'm getting on, life is short and I heard this is a good site to find all that. But 100% the one thing I did not join this site for, is to argue, or judge anyone, or seek out and find people who are cheating on their partners haha!! Why do people come on site's like this to do so? Does it really bug them that much to see it happen? Yes it's a damm shame and it's bloody horrible that it does happen, but that could really be helping and changing that persons life, just that little bit of fun they are finding on here. So people, try not to ruin for anyone if they are doing it. We're all adults, they make their own decisions, move on if you disagree with it. You could be saving someone's life, if you don't interfere and take that away from them. You just never know, trust me! Adult life, relationships are hard and complicated as you marry and grow with that same person, year after year after year! But at the end of the day, we all have that side of naughtyness, and sometimes we need it to go on lol so remember, once you start asking each other questions, after they have stated they want discretion, you are basically you are provoking that person to start lying and making up things, until they can't go on, and then end up saying, yes I have a wife, or I have a husband. And then it starts, you end up calling them a liar and alsorts probably. When really, at the end of the day did it really matter, you are basically looking for a fuck, or a nice regular fuck nsa!! So does anyone really need to know that information about them? Respect each others personal life and privacy, and just enjoy yourselves instead. Surely that's why you all signed up here? There is one problem tho, which I have a very big issue about!!! The large percentage of guys on here who talk to women like a piece of shit. It's sad, immature and disgusting. For example "fancy a fuck?" " like the picture, come and sit on it " Greets like that towards women, WHY? SERIOUSLY!! All the men out there who talk like this and send pictures of their small cocks to women, which they try their hardest to make it look bigger by taking 100's and 100's of photos from different angels hahaha now that is funny! Seriously why do you think it's ok to talk and send a message to females like that? Is that what you would do in a club or pub? I doubt it very much, because I doubt you even have the bottle to walk up to a female and say hello and ask them out. So you prefer to chance your luck, behind your screens at home, or mum's home really lol and see if one woman, out of 500 women probably, will bite and go for your little prick, and say hello back to you. Just stop it yeah, grow some ball's and some manners and ask like a man is supposed to ask and treat a lady. You actually might be surprised. Because at the moment, that is the biggest problem for men on here. Well the guys who are on here actually being polite and respectful, but they can't get a reply, because women are fed up and hardly replying, because of that online abuse, and I don't blame them. So give it a rest boy's. Because that's what you are at the end of the day, cowardly boy's who doesn't know how to grow into a man or talk to a lady. Sorry for the long reply, but thank you if you just read all of this yeah, respect!! | |||
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"Many married women seek pleasure exactly, this goes both ways!! When someone states in their profile, that they would like to stay discreet, then everyone should just respect that, as they do for their own privacy too. Judging and then asking them lot's of questions and that, is basically trying to invade that discretion they want. It's a easy thing to be very curious tho, for all of us, everyone does it, I've asked questions, even though I know they want pure discretion. Obviously I got told off and blocked, for asking if they were married lol a lot people don't get it tho, what that persons story is, and why they want to come on here and cheat on their partner. Yes it's wrong but everyone should still respect it. There is a million reasons why they might do it. Some men get bullied by their wives and is a long time victim of abuse, and maybe this is the only way that he can release everything, and get what he wants now and then. Is that really so bad if your going through hell at home? Yeah people will then say. Why not just leave her then? Well again, that could be the easy way out for some people, and not for others. Some are even too afraid to be alone, so they will just put up with it, because this site might help and get him through that shit at home. Especially if they think they are too old to be alone too. There are 100's of reasons why men will cheat and don't want to talk about it, but then forced and judged on, and I say men, because it's mostly men that this happens to, and makes someone ask a question like this one. It is a bit one sided on this subject, if a man asks a woman about it, they have a go at him. When a woman asks a man, he ends up feeling backed in a corner most likely, pressured and then made to feel and look like a fool. But it does swing both sides here. If I see someone with discreet needed, if that bothers you, just go on past, why ask questions wasting each others time's. But if you don't mind that, then go with the flow and get it on with each other, no questions asked lol simple really!! Same goes when someone wants NSA. You either want it or not? Lol why ask each other questions and then end up letting it get to you, because you are doing it too and feeling guilty about it lol don't say anything and just do it, have some nsa fun with someone. I came on here to find some good conversations with people and have some fun too. I'm getting on, life is short and I heard this is a good site to find all that. But 100% the one thing I did not join this site for, is to argue, or judge anyone, or seek out and find people who are cheating on their partners haha!! Why do people come on site's like this to do so? Does it really bug them that much to see it happen? Yes it's a damm shame and it's bloody horrible that it does happen, but that could really be helping and changing that persons life, just that little bit of fun they are finding on here. So people, try not to ruin for anyone if they are doing it. We're all adults, they make their own decisions, move on if you disagree with it. You could be saving someone's life, if you don't interfere and take that away from them. You just never know, trust me! Adult life, relationships are hard and complicated as you marry and grow with that same person, year after year after year! But at the end of the day, we all have that side of naughtyness, and sometimes we need it to go on lol so remember, once you start asking each other questions, after they have stated they want discretion, you are basically you are provoking that person to start lying and making up things, until they can't go on, and then end up saying, yes I have a wife, or I have a husband. And then it starts, you end up calling them a liar and alsorts probably. When really, at the end of the day did it really matter, you are basically looking for a fuck, or a nice regular fuck nsa!! So does anyone really need to know that information about them? Respect each others personal life and privacy, and just enjoy yourselves instead. Surely that's why you all signed up here? There is one problem tho, which I have a very big issue about!!! The large percentage of guys on here who talk to women like a piece of shit. It's sad, immature and disgusting. For example "fancy a fuck?" " like the picture, come and sit on it " Greets like that towards women, WHY? SERIOUSLY!! All the men out there who talk like this and send pictures of their small cocks to women, which they try their hardest to make it look bigger by taking 100's and 100's of photos from different angels hahaha now that is funny! Seriously why do you think it's ok to talk and send a message to females like that? Is that what you would do in a club or pub? I doubt it very much, because I doubt you even have the bottle to walk up to a female and say hello and ask them out. So you prefer to chance your luck, behind your screens at home, or mum's home really lol and see if one woman, out of 500 women probably, will bite and go for your little prick, and say hello back to you. Just stop it yeah, grow some ball's and some manners and ask like a man is supposed to ask and treat a lady. You actually might be surprised. Because at the moment, that is the biggest problem for men on here. Well the guys who are on here actually being polite and respectful, but they can't get a reply, because women are fed up and hardly replying, because of that online abuse, and I don't blame them. So give it a rest boy's. Because that's what you are at the end of the day, cowardly boy's who doesn't know how to grow into a man or talk to a lady. Sorry for the long reply, but thank you if you just read all of this yeah, respect!! " Nope. | |||
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"Many married women seek pleasure exactly, this goes both ways!! When someone states in their profile, that they would like to stay discreet, then everyone should just respect that, as they do for their own privacy too. Judging and then asking them lot's of questions and that, is basically trying to invade that discretion they want. It's a easy thing to be very curious tho, for all of us, everyone does it, I've asked questions, even though I know they want pure discretion. Obviously I got told off and blocked, for asking if they were married lol a lot people don't get it tho, what that persons story is, and why they want to come on here and cheat on their partner. Yes it's wrong but everyone should still respect it. There is a million reasons why they might do it. Some men get bullied by their wives and is a long time victim of abuse, and maybe this is the only way that he can release everything, and get what he wants now and then. Is that really so bad if your going through hell at home? Yeah people will then say. Why not just leave her then? Well again, that could be the easy way out for some people, and not for others. Some are even too afraid to be alone, so they will just put up with it, because this site might help and get him through that shit at home. Especially if they think they are too old to be alone too. There are 100's of reasons why men will cheat and don't want to talk about it, but then forced and judged on, and I say men, because it's mostly men that this happens to, and makes someone ask a question like this one. It is a bit one sided on this subject, if a man asks a woman about it, they have a go at him. When a woman asks a man, he ends up feeling backed in a corner most likely, pressured and then made to feel and look like a fool. But it does swing both sides here. If I see someone with discreet needed, if that bothers you, just go on past, why ask questions wasting each others time's. But if you don't mind that, then go with the flow and get it on with each other, no questions asked lol simple really!! Same goes when someone wants NSA. You either want it or not? Lol why ask each other questions and then end up letting it get to you, because you are doing it too and feeling guilty about it lol don't say anything and just do it, have some nsa fun with someone. I came on here to find some good conversations with people and have some fun too. I'm getting on, life is short and I heard this is a good site to find all that. But 100% the one thing I did not join this site for, is to argue, or judge anyone, or seek out and find people who are cheating on their partners haha!! Why do people come on site's like this to do so? Does it really bug them that much to see it happen? Yes it's a damm shame and it's bloody horrible that it does happen, but that could really be helping and changing that persons life, just that little bit of fun they are finding on here. So people, try not to ruin for anyone if they are doing it. We're all adults, they make their own decisions, move on if you disagree with it. You could be saving someone's life, if you don't interfere and take that away from them. You just never know, trust me! Adult life, relationships are hard and complicated as you marry and grow with that same person, year after year after year! But at the end of the day, we all have that side of naughtyness, and sometimes we need it to go on lol so remember, once you start asking each other questions, after they have stated they want discretion, you are basically you are provoking that person to start lying and making up things, until they can't go on, and then end up saying, yes I have a wife, or I have a husband. And then it starts, you end up calling them a liar and alsorts probably. When really, at the end of the day did it really matter, you are basically looking for a fuck, or a nice regular fuck nsa!! So does anyone really need to know that information about them? Respect each others personal life and privacy, and just enjoy yourselves instead. Surely that's why you all signed up here? There is one problem tho, which I have a very big issue about!!! The large percentage of guys on here who talk to women like a piece of shit. It's sad, immature and disgusting. For example "fancy a fuck?" " like the picture, come and sit on it " Greets like that towards women, WHY? SERIOUSLY!! All the men out there who talk like this and send pictures of their small cocks to women, which they try their hardest to make it look bigger by taking 100's and 100's of photos from different angels hahaha now that is funny! Seriously why do you think it's ok to talk and send a message to females like that? Is that what you would do in a club or pub? I doubt it very much, because I doubt you even have the bottle to walk up to a female and say hello and ask them out. So you prefer to chance your luck, behind your screens at home, or mum's home really lol and see if one woman, out of 500 women probably, will bite and go for your little prick, and say hello back to you. Just stop it yeah, grow some ball's and some manners and ask like a man is supposed to ask and treat a lady. You actually might be surprised. Because at the moment, that is the biggest problem for men on here. Well the guys who are on here actually being polite and respectful, but they can't get a reply, because women are fed up and hardly replying, because of that online abuse, and I don't blame them. So give it a rest boy's. Because that's what you are at the end of the day, cowardly boy's who doesn't know how to grow into a man or talk to a lady. Sorry for the long reply, but thank you if you just read all of this yeah, respect!! " Wow  | |||
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"We are similar married men don’t want any extra just a regular play and go, we aren’t too Fussy if they are married or not x" | |||
"Many married women seek pleasure exactly, this goes both ways!! When someone states in their profile, that they would like to stay discreet, then everyone should just respect that, as they do for their own privacy too. Judging and then asking them lot's of questions and that, is basically trying to invade that discretion they want. It's a easy thing to be very curious tho, for all of us, everyone does it, I've asked questions, even though I know they want pure discretion. Obviously I got told off and blocked, for asking if they were married lol a lot people don't get it tho, what that persons story is, and why they want to come on here and cheat on their partner. Yes it's wrong but everyone should still respect it. There is a million reasons why they might do it. Some men get bullied by their wives and is a long time victim of abuse, and maybe this is the only way that he can release everything, and get what he wants now and then. Is that really so bad if your going through hell at home? Yeah people will then say. Why not just leave her then? Well again, that could be the easy way out for some people, and not for others. Some are even too afraid to be alone, so they will just put up with it, because this site might help and get him through that shit at home. Especially if they think they are too old to be alone too. There are 100's of reasons why men will cheat and don't want to talk about it, but then forced and judged on, and I say men, because it's mostly men that this happens to, and makes someone ask a question like this one. It is a bit one sided on this subject, if a man asks a woman about it, they have a go at him. When a woman asks a man, he ends up feeling backed in a corner most likely, pressured and then made to feel and look like a fool. But it does swing both sides here. If I see someone with discreet needed, if that bothers you, just go on past, why ask questions wasting each others time's. But if you don't mind that, then go with the flow and get it on with each other, no questions asked lol simple really!! Same goes when someone wants NSA. You either want it or not? Lol why ask each other questions and then end up letting it get to you, because you are doing it too and feeling guilty about it lol don't say anything and just do it, have some nsa fun with someone. I came on here to find some good conversations with people and have some fun too. I'm getting on, life is short and I heard this is a good site to find all that. But 100% the one thing I did not join this site for, is to argue, or judge anyone, or seek out and find people who are cheating on their partners haha!! Why do people come on site's like this to do so? Does it really bug them that much to see it happen? Yes it's a damm shame and it's bloody horrible that it does happen, but that could really be helping and changing that persons life, just that little bit of fun they are finding on here. So people, try not to ruin for anyone if they are doing it. We're all adults, they make their own decisions, move on if you disagree with it. You could be saving someone's life, if you don't interfere and take that away from them. You just never know, trust me! Adult life, relationships are hard and complicated as you marry and grow with that same person, year after year after year! But at the end of the day, we all have that side of naughtyness, and sometimes we need it to go on lol so remember, once you start asking each other questions, after they have stated they want discretion, you are basically you are provoking that person to start lying and making up things, until they can't go on, and then end up saying, yes I have a wife, or I have a husband. And then it starts, you end up calling them a liar and alsorts probably. When really, at the end of the day did it really matter, you are basically looking for a fuck, or a nice regular fuck nsa!! So does anyone really need to know that information about them? Respect each others personal life and privacy, and just enjoy yourselves instead. Surely that's why you all signed up here? There is one problem tho, which I have a very big issue about!!! The large percentage of guys on here who talk to women like a piece of shit. It's sad, immature and disgusting. For example "fancy a fuck?" " like the picture, come and sit on it " Greets like that towards women, WHY? SERIOUSLY!! All the men out there who talk like this and send pictures of their small cocks to women, which they try their hardest to make it look bigger by taking 100's and 100's of photos from different angels hahaha now that is funny! Seriously why do you think it's ok to talk and send a message to females like that? Is that what you would do in a club or pub? I doubt it very much, because I doubt you even have the bottle to walk up to a female and say hello and ask them out. So you prefer to chance your luck, behind your screens at home, or mum's home really lol and see if one woman, out of 500 women probably, will bite and go for your little prick, and say hello back to you. Just stop it yeah, grow some ball's and some manners and ask like a man is supposed to ask and treat a lady. You actually might be surprised. Because at the moment, that is the biggest problem for men on here. Well the guys who are on here actually being polite and respectful, but they can't get a reply, because women are fed up and hardly replying, because of that online abuse, and I don't blame them. So give it a rest boy's. Because that's what you are at the end of the day, cowardly boy's who doesn't know how to grow into a man or talk to a lady. Sorry for the long reply, but thank you if you just read all of this yeah, respect!! " Starting reading and got to the many excuses that people cheat and that it should be respected then gave up
No one cheating will ever get any respect from me, I don’t care what the circumstances are. It’s inexcusable to me and I’d be furious if I got dragged into someone’s cheating without knowing. | |||
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"I find that I tend to connect better with married men for some reason. I know that it cannot go any further than just sex, far less likely to become clingy and nothing can be said of who I chose to meet given that they return home to their wives. It’s a win win situation. " See, I feel this is dependent on whether they are in an otherwise happy relationship. If they're happy at home but just want a little extra, it tends to be fine, but if they're unhappy at home (and especially if they can't separate love from sex), they can often latch onto you and develop feelings. | |||
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"With the full enthusiastic consent of the wife it's fabulous "How about the wife cheering you both on and then joining you?
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"It’s a massive turn on and I love it. " Shame I'm a year outwith you're age range. i love you r pics and the scenario. | |||
"These forums get so boring sometimes. Always the same issues and moans keep cropping up. Rightly or wrongly I just assume everyone I meet in this scene is attached. No care given equals no disappointment. I'm married. My wife knows I occasionally go to clubs and meet people. But she doesn't want to know when I go and what I do. Everyone's relationship status matters less than you think. " It matters to some people. | |||
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"If the spouse is aware and allows then fine, but cheating is a no go. Wouldn't like it done to me and the hurt it would cause, put yourself in their shoes.but each to their own "I agree. I had an open marriage. I'm happy to play with people in that situation/real open relationships. I'm separated and I tell people - let them make their own mind up if they want to engage with me. I really don't enjoy the lies on here about it. Had all sorts of stories. One member even messaged me from his honeymoon. It feels horrible. | |||
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"I normally keep quiet on these threads as like so many male and female I am married. Just for example if the marriage is sexless not by choice but for medical reasons and the person with issues says you need to go out and get sex but I don't want to know about it, otherwise the relationship is loving caring, supportive in every way. So there's permission but not knowledge. It's everyone's personal choice to accept or decline offers from married folk, if you play in. Clubs likely you have all interacted with married "cheaters" even if there in the club as a couple with another person. I speak from more than one experience when I have been here before as part of 2 separate "legit" couples. Even had a couple who said they were married to our house couple of times, had a lot of fun and found out later they were not married to each other and both were playing behind respective partners backs. Please folks make your choices but do not judge, no one knows what happens behind closed doors. As for one comment above I would consider a married woman just because of the likely higher discressiin. Stay fab folks " | |||
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"Have you? yes I did" Jezzz that must have been awkward.. hence one the reasons we stay away from married men  | |||
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"Has anyone ever had a message from someone saying you’ve been with my husband ?" I’d found it all out by that point so it wasn’t a shock on my side but yes. We’d seen each other a far bit over a few months and been to various clubs. I told her where we’d been and when. If he had a right to do it, she had a right to know. | |||
"Has anyone ever had a message from someone saying you’ve been with my husband ?" Not on here but in real life yes,many years ago. Told me he was single and no kids He could message and meet regularly ,so I wasn't suspicious. Then one morning I woke up to a few missed calls,his Mrs. It took me a good while to convince her I really didn't know she existed ,she was gutted as I was totally honest with her about how long I'd been seeing him etc. He continued to try and lie to us both after she confronted him. How did she find out? A text from me on his phone ,so she was already suspicious about him. He'd even lied about having kids,he had 2. Put me off dating for ages That's why I choose not to meet married men,I admire the ones who are upfront on their profiles. The worse ones are those who hide it and ignore your preferences. Miss | |||
"Has anyone ever had a message from someone saying you’ve been with my husband ? Not on here but in real life yes,many years ago. Told me he was single and no kids He could message and meet regularly ,so I wasn't suspicious. Then one morning I woke up to a few missed calls,his Mrs. It took me a good while to convince her I really didn't know she existed ,she was gutted as I was totally honest with her about how long I'd been seeing him etc. He continued to try and lie to us both after she confronted him. How did she find out? A text from me on his phone ,so she was already suspicious about him. He'd even lied about having kids,he had 2. Put me off dating for ages That's why I choose not to meet married men,I admire the ones who are upfront on their profiles. The worse ones are those who hide it and ignore your preferences. Miss" I agree with the ones who hide it. No one in the world wants a be cheated on. Remember someone telling me sex is sex with whoever. For me its not. | |||
"I prefer not to meet people who are playing away. I get that some have what feel like fair justifications, but I don’t want to be part of it. I’ve been cheated on. I’ve found out a person I’d been seeing regularly was in a relationship with a birth imminent. Earlier in my time on the scene, I’ve been at someone’s house while a woman was trying to get in the bedroom and the guy I was with was blocking the door. Too much drama to get tied up in. " Exactly.. Drama free always. | |||
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