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Last nice a female friend and I went to our local dogging car park and parked up. There were 4 other cars parked already each with guys inside, 2 of whom got very animated and smiley when they saw us. 
We were fabbing on our phones to see if any regular playmates wanted to come play when an unmarked police car pulled up next to us. They signalled to us to wind down the window.
My friend who was driving was cool as a cucumber  and just said " yes?"
The copper asked her what we were doing here and she replied that she was chatting to me. He then asked why we had chosen to chat here and again unfazed she said she had had a huge row with her hubby, drove off and parked up at the first place she saw.
The other copper then said "do you know you are parked up in a notorious dogging spot?"
We were like "OMG! No way!"  and started up the engine as if we were horrified. The copper then went on to say " it's very dangerous here and any minute you could have had a cock poking through your window" ( yum yum)
We thanked them for warning us and drove off 
Now, my question is, if we had said we knew were we were and we were hoping to see/ have some action would we actually be breaking the law? | |||
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"I think dogging is classed as indecent exposure etc but if you were just watching I can't imagine you would get done for it. X " I think (although Im not certain) that its only indecent exposure if someone complains or if you are exposed 'to the public' | |||
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"You were not breaking any law just sitting there but if you were there and having sex it is up to you toake sure no one is able to see you I know this cos I av actually been caught by the police in a doggin spot and that reply came from the police themselves"
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"In a known dogging spot to the police knowingly encouraging inappropriate behavior or indecent exposure may warrant atleast a public order caution!!!" Crikey  | |||
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"I will apologise in advance if the answer to this question is obvious, however Ive asked 4 friends from here today and they didn't know the answer either
Last nice a female friend and I went to our local dogging car park and parked up. There were 4 other cars parked already each with guys inside, 2 of whom got very animated and smiley when they saw us.
We were fabbing on our phones to see if any regular playmates wanted to come play when an unmarked police car pulled up next to us. They signalled to us to wind down the window.
My friend who was driving was cool as a cucumber and just said " yes?"
The copper asked her what we were doing here and she replied that she was chatting to me. He then asked why we had chosen to chat here and again unfazed she said she had had a huge row with her hubby, drove off and parked up at the first place she saw.
The other copper then said "do you know you are parked up in a notorious dogging spot?"
We were like "OMG! No way!" and started up the engine as if we were horrified. The copper then went on to say " it's very dangerous here and any minute you could have had a cock poking through your window" ( yum yum)
We thanked them for warning us and drove off
Now, my question is, if we had said we knew were we were and we were hoping to see/ have some action would we actually be breaking the law?"tried to send you private mail but I can't harrumph This is seen as indecent exposure if you are showing genitalia in public and someone complains or if caught having second or doing a sexual act it used to be lewd behavior resulting in court then a fine | |||
"I once met a policeman from this site and he went dogging regularly and didnt seem concerned that he was breaking any law " exactly! He is/was the LAW!!!! | |||
"I will apologise in advance if the answer to this question is obvious, however Ive asked 4 friends from here today and they didn't know the answer either
Last nice a female friend and I went to our local dogging car park and parked up. There were 4 other cars parked already each with guys inside, 2 of whom got very animated and smiley when they saw us.
We were fabbing on our phones to see if any regular playmates wanted to come play when an unmarked police car pulled up next to us. They signalled to us to wind down the window.
My friend who was driving was cool as a cucumber and just said " yes?"
The copper asked her what we were doing here and she replied that she was chatting to me. He then asked why we had chosen to chat here and again unfazed she said she had had a huge row with her hubby, drove off and parked up at the first place she saw.
The other copper then said "do you know you are parked up in a notorious dogging spot?"
We were like "OMG! No way!" and started up the engine as if we were horrified. The copper then went on to say " it's very dangerous here and any minute you could have had a cock poking through your window" ( yum yum)
We thanked them for warning us and drove off
Now, my question is, if we had said we knew were we were and we were hoping to see/ have some action would we actually be breaking the law? tried to send you private mail but I can't harrumph
This is seen as indecent exposure if you are showing genitalia in public and someone complains or if caught having second or doing a sexual act it used to be lewd behavior resulting in court then a fine "Hi gorgeous 
It seems I have been very lucky in the past then as Ive used this and many other sites on tens of occasions and never even seen a copper.
It has made me think twice though | |||
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"Apparently you cant get in trouble unless it causes distress and offence to a passerby who would then need to makes an official complaint.I once met a policeman from this site and he went dogging regularly and didnt seem concerned that he was breaking any law " Sadly this is not true. You do not need a complainent as its an offence. | |||
"I have been to my local spot out of interest and I think police patrol it more to make sure there is no trouble. They prob spoke to u more out of concern for ur safety being 2 females alone. Having said that I have heard stories of coppers joining in and of people being taken down the station and cautioned" I too have played with a CID officer, a barrister and an MP whilst out dogging. It seems like me people are ignorant to the consequences.  | |||
"I will apologise in advance if the answer to this question is obvious, however Ive asked 4 friends from here today and they didn't know the answer either
Last nice a female friend and I went to our local dogging car park and parked up. There were 4 other cars parked already each with guys inside, 2 of whom got very animated and smiley when they saw us.
We were fabbing on our phones to see if any regular playmates wanted to come play when an unmarked police car pulled up next to us. They signalled to us to wind down the window.
My friend who was driving was cool as a cucumber and just said " yes?"
The copper asked her what we were doing here and she replied that she was chatting to me. He then asked why we had chosen to chat here and again unfazed she said she had had a huge row with her hubby, drove off and parked up at the first place she saw.
The other copper then said "do you know you are parked up in a notorious dogging spot?"
We were like "OMG! No way!" and started up the engine as if we were horrified. The copper then went on to say " it's very dangerous here and any minute you could have had a cock poking through your window" ( yum yum)
We thanked them for warning us and drove off
Now, my question is, if we had said we knew were we were and we were hoping to see/ have some action would we actually be breaking the law? tried to send you private mail but I can't harrumph
This is seen as indecent exposure if you are showing genitalia in public and someone complains or if caught having second or doing a sexual act it used to be lewd behavior resulting in court then a fine
Hi gorgeous
It seems I have been very lucky in the past then as Ive used this and many other sites on tens of occasions and never even seen a copper.
It has made me think twice though "Its one reason I have always been dubious after getting caught when I was much younger having some fun with someone. We were cautioned but warned we would end up in court if we did it again. See you soon hopefully sexy x | |||
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"I think dogging is classed as indecent exposure etc but if you were just watching I can't imagine you would get done for it. X I think (although Im not certain) that its only indecent exposure if someone complains or if you are exposed 'to the public'" Sadly you only have to cause offence to a member of the public and a police officer is one. So you can be nicked without a complaint being made as you cause offence to the officer/officers | |||
" ........... Now, my question is, if we had said we knew were we were and we were hoping to see/ have some action would we actually be breaking the law?" It often isn't as much about whether something is legal or not but about whether the cops can be bothered doing anything about it. That very often comes down to the attitude of the people involved. Putting your hands up in a situation where no non-participants are involved will often stand you in better stead than insisting you 'know your rights' or are 'friendly with the Chief Constable'. Galling as it might be, annoying the cops will only encourage them to find some reason to annoy you. They've probably got more time than you and they're being paid and eventually they will find something. | |||
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"In a known dogging spot to the police knowingly encouraging inappropriate behavior or indecent exposure may warrant atleast a public order caution!!! Crikey "Yep...and from what I can gather you could even be put on the nonce register if they (the police) deemed what you was doing as really bad..or they wanted to make an example of you. | |||
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"Make sure they dont try scaring you by using the Sexual Ofences Act 2003 sec 67 and 68, exposure and voyeurism... its a bluff " this is not a bluff the copper can arrest you for being nude in a naked place and charge you with indecent exposure which will result in being placed on sex offenders registar for 3-5yrs and doing a sex behaviour course. | |||
"In a known dogging spot to the police knowingly encouraging inappropriate behavior or indecent exposure may warrant atleast a public order caution!!! Crikey
Yep...and from what I can gather you could even be put on the nonce register if they (the police) deemed what you was doing as really bad..or they wanted to make an example of you."its not a nonce register and you need to define proply as there is different types of register | |||
"Make sure they dont try scaring you by using the Sexual Ofences Act 2003 sec 67 and 68, exposure and voyeurism... its a bluff this is not a bluff the copper can arrest you for being nude in a naked place and charge you with indecent exposure which will result in being placed on sex offenders registar for 3-5yrs and doing a sex behaviour course." What constitutes 'a naked place'? | |||
"Make sure they dont try scaring you by using the Sexual Ofences Act 2003 sec 67 and 68, exposure and voyeurism... its a bluff this is not a bluff the copper can arrest you for being nude in a naked place and charge you with indecent exposure which will result in being placed on sex offenders registar for 3-5yrs and doing a sex behaviour course." Nude in a naked place thats a novel one. Nudity is not mentioned as such in any legislation, however the offence of exposure is concerned with the exposing of genitalia with the intent of causing distress or alarm... unless its some body oriface being threatened with a mega wanger lol | |||
"Make sure they dont try scaring you by using the Sexual Ofences Act 2003 sec 67 and 68, exposure and voyeurism... its a bluff this is not a bluff the copper can arrest you for being nude in a naked place and charge you with indecent exposure which will result in being placed on sex offenders registar for 3-5yrs and doing a sex behaviour course. Nude in a naked place thats a novel one. Nudity is not mentioned as such in any legislation, however the offence of exposure is concerned with the exposing of genitalia with the intent of causing distress or alarm... unless its some body oriface being threatened with a mega wanger lol" Its still classed as indecent exposure. i should know ive a law degree in crimnial law specialising sex offences | |||
"Make sure they dont try scaring you by using the Sexual Ofences Act 2003 sec 67 and 68, exposure and voyeurism... its a bluff this is not a bluff the copper can arrest you for being nude in a naked place and charge you with indecent exposure which will result in being placed on sex offenders registar for 3-5yrs and doing a sex behaviour course. Nude in a naked place thats a novel one. Nudity is not mentioned as such in any legislation, however the offence of exposure is concerned with the exposing of genitalia with the intent of causing distress or alarm... unless its some body oriface being threatened with a mega wanger lol Its still classed as indecent exposure. i should know ive a law degree in crimnial law specialising sex offences" So when I get busted for cracking one off in the frozen food aisle at Asda I will engage your services then | |||
"Make sure they dont try scaring you by using the Sexual Ofences Act 2003 sec 67 and 68, exposure and voyeurism... its a bluff this is not a bluff the copper can arrest you for being nude in a naked place and charge you with indecent exposure which will result in being placed on sex offenders registar for 3-5yrs and doing a sex behaviour course. Nude in a naked place thats a novel one. Nudity is not mentioned as such in any legislation, however the offence of exposure is concerned with the exposing of genitalia with the intent of causing distress or alarm... unless its some body oriface being threatened with a mega wanger lol Its still classed as indecent exposure. i should know ive a law degree in crimnial law specialising sex offences So when I get busted for cracking one off in the frozen food aisle at Asda I will engage your services then "Can't you just buy Ice Cream like everyone else?  | |||
"I will apologise in advance if the answer to this question is obvious, however Ive asked 4 friends from here today and they didn't know the answer either
Last nice a female friend and I went to our local dogging car park and parked up. There were 4 other cars parked already each with guys inside, 2 of whom got very animated and smiley when they saw us.
We were fabbing on our phones to see if any regular playmates wanted to come play when an unmarked police car pulled up next to us. They signalled to us to wind down the window.
My friend who was driving was cool as a cucumber and just said " yes?"
The copper asked her what we were doing here and she replied that she was chatting to me. He then asked why we had chosen to chat here and again unfazed she said she had had a huge row with her hubby, drove off and parked up at the first place she saw.
The other copper then said "do you know you are parked up in a notorious dogging spot?"
We were like "OMG! No way!" and started up the engine as if we were horrified. The copper then went on to say " it's very dangerous here and any minute you could have had a cock poking through your window" ( yum yum)
We thanked them for warning us and drove off
Now, my question is, if we had said we knew were we were and we were hoping to see/ have some action would we actually be breaking the law?"Engaging in a sexual act in a public place can be classed as lewd conduct or could attract police interest under the indecency laws as currently enacted. You would have been in your rights to ask the policeman for identity which he should have provided (a uniform is not proof of identity)then you should have said that it was non of his business as to what you were doing as (presumably) you were sitting in a car in a public space (not privately owned land) as he had no right to ask those questions as you were going about you lawful rights. By watching an act of gross indecency in a public place you are not committing a crime. That said you would have been hauled off because you would be guilty by association! Stay in doors its warmer!! | |||
"I have been to my local spot out of interest and I think police patrol it more to make sure there is no trouble. They prob spoke to u more out of concern for ur safety being 2 females alone. Having said that I have heard stories of coppers joining in and of people being taken down the station and cautioned I too have played with a CID officer, a barrister and an MP whilst out dogging. It seems like me people are ignorant to the consequences. "too many men think with their cocks | |||
"I have been to my local spot out of interest and I think police patrol it more to make sure there is no trouble. They prob spoke to u more out of concern for ur safety being 2 females alone. Having said that I have heard stories of coppers joining in and of people being taken down the station and cautioned I too have played with a CID officer, a barrister and an MP whilst out dogging. It seems like me people are ignorant to the consequences. too many men think with their cocks"Too many men don't think at all. | |||
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" Think again if you want to go dogging Sexual Offenses Act 2003 (UK LAW) 63Trespass with intent to commit a sexual offenceE+W (1)A person commits an offence if— (a)he is a trespasser on any premises, (b)he intends to commit a relevant sexual offence on the premises, and (c)he knows that, or is reckless as to whether, he is a trespasser. (2)In this section— * “premises” includes a structure or part of a structure; * “relevant sexual offence” has the same meaning as in section 62; * “structure” includes a tent, vehicle or vessel or other temporary or movable structure. (3)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable— (a)on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or both; (b)on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years. OR 67VoyeurismE+W+N.I. [F88(1)A person commits an offence if— (a)for the purpose of obtaining sexual gratification, he observes another person doing a private act, and (b)he knows that the other person does not consent to being observed for his sexual gratification. (2)A person commits an offence if— (a)he operates equipment with the intention of enabling another person to observe, for the purpose of obtaining sexual gratification, a third person (B) doing a private act, and (b)he knows that B does not consent to his operating equipment with that intention. (3)A person commits an offence if— (a)he records another person (B) doing a private act, (b)he does so with the intention that he or a third person will, for the purpose of obtaining sexual gratification, look at an image of B doing the act, and (c)he knows that B does not consent to his recording the act with that intention. (4)A person commits an offence if he instals equipment, or constructs or adapts a structure or part of a structure, with the intention of enabling himself or another person to commit an offence under subsection (1). (5)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable— (a)on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or both; (b)on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years OR 68Voyeurism: interpretationE+W+N.I. [F89(1)For the purposes of section 67, a person is doing a private act if the person is in a place which, in the circumstances, would reasonably be expected to provide privacy, and— (a)the person’s genitals, buttocks or breasts are exposed or covered only with underwear, (b)the person is using a lavatory, or (c)the person is doing a sexual act that is not of a kind ordinarily done in public. (2)In section 67, “structure” includes a tent, vehicle or vessel or other temporary or movable structure. HOPE This HELPS Regards M " Flippin' Ek! Into bed everyone if your gonna do any of that naked and horizontal stuff! Nighties on, lights off and keep your voices down just incase | |||
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"If dogging is illegal then why havent the numerous dogging websites been closed down." Because the act is illegal, talking about it is not. In the same way that talking about a crime does not make you guilty of any crime unless some very specific boxes are checked that MIGHT make you guilty of conspiracy. Even that only applies to some offences and there is no crime of "conspiracy to commit indecency", if you doubt dogging is illegal, simply continue to enjoy yourself when the law visit your favourite location, no doubt they will be pleased to elaborate! | |||
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"The law. Know your rights. You are not obliged to answer any questions a police constable asks you. Ask that question. "Officer am i obliged to answer that ? Ask them if you are breaking the law. You have every right to go about your peaceful business without being harrassed." It's all very well knowing your rights, but means stuff all if the policeman you are talking to doesn't. *Very* few complaints against the police are upheld. Also bear in mind that if you are arrested - whether lawfully or not - you get to have your fingerprints and DNA held forever. And endless complications if you plan on visiting the US | |||
"The law. Know your rights. You are not obliged to answer any questions a police constable asks you. Ask that question. "Officer am i obliged to answer that ? Ask them if you are breaking the law. You have every right to go about your peaceful business without being harrassed." One man's 'peaceful business' is another man's 'nefarious activity' and whilst there's no doubt you can (and some folk do) adopt a belligerent attitude, it's only likely to piss off the polis and encourage them to look for ways to piss you off. The chances are they'll find, or create something. | |||
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"The law. Know your rights. You are not obliged to answer any questions a police constable asks you. Ask that question. "Officer am i obliged to answer that ? Ask them if you are breaking the law. You have every right to go about your peaceful business without being harrassed. It's all very well knowing your rights, but means stuff all if the policeman you are talking to doesn't. *Very* few complaints against the police are upheld. Also bear in mind that if you are arrested - whether lawfully or not - you get to have your fingerprints and DNA held forever. And endless complications if you plan on visiting the US "you dont have to be rude when speaking to the police. They also generally dont go around arresting people sitting in a car in a car park. If the police get stroppy ask them if they are honouring the oath they took. if you dont know what that is then i suggest you find out. | |||
"The law. Know your rights. You are not obliged to answer any questions a police constable asks you. Ask that question. "Officer am i obliged to answer that ? Ask them if you are breaking the law. You have every right to go about your peaceful business without being harrassed. It's all very well knowing your rights, but means stuff all if the policeman you are talking to doesn't. *Very* few complaints against the police are upheld. Also bear in mind that if you are arrested - whether lawfully or not - you get to have your fingerprints and DNA held forever. And endless complications if you plan on visiting the US
you dont have to be rude when speaking to the police. They also generally dont go around arresting people sitting in a car in a car park. If the police get stroppy ask them if they are honouring the oath they took. if you dont know what that is then i suggest you find out. "Who said anything about being rude ? And I stand by my original statement. It's a waste of time trying to stand up for your rights, if the policeman involved either doesn't know, or doesn't care. | |||
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"The fact that there's as many different opinions about what is, or isn't, legal demonstrates the problem and the scope of power the cops have. In all my years dogging I've never met anyone who's been lifted in flagrante and charged with any offence of indecency or the like. They all (and there's not been that many) have been lifted for Breach of the Peace and a proper charge has been worked out after the circumstances have been reported to the Fiscal. That said, an offer to plead to the Breach, usually finds any other charges deserted. That's not to say that if you do something clearly stupid, like shagging in broad daylight on a public beach during the school holidays, you won't find yourself in court, on the SOR and in the press." There is a difference between legal and lawful. "Legal" is what the law society a registered business deals with. It has its own language of common words that everyone thinks they understand. But in "legalise" the law society language words often mean something entirely different from common understanding. "Lawful" is common law which is the law of the land and superceeds "legal". It is no harm. loss. fraud or breach of the peace.  | |||
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" @ Octavious ....... Your not a Freeman of the Land are you?.... If so then what you say lacks any merit in the form of common sense "Freeman on the land, also known as FMOTL, FOTL, Footle or simply freeman,[1] is a form of pseudolegal woo in various English-speaking countries. Freemen believe they can opt out of being governed, and that what normal people understand to be "laws" are merely a form of "contract" that applies only if people consent to it" AND "No freeman arguments have ever succeeded in court; some have even explicitly ruled that the term "freeman on the land" has no legal significance when the argument is raised. Actually using the arguments gets people into worse trouble, including fines, asset seizures, contempt convictions and criminal records. However, this doesn't stop freemen from claiming that it works." Regards M" no i am not a freeman on the land and partially agree with some of what you attribute to them. Everything i say about law i can back up with hard factual evidence. It looks like you have been copying and pasting from wikipedia ? wikipedia is probably the worst place to get your information from. Please feel free to check the merit of anything i have stated and come back to me if i am wrong. | |||
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"Having sex of any discription in a public area is in deed an offence, this obviously includes watching a couple and playing with yourself. However under instruction the police will generally only take your details (sometimes with a view of writing to you at your home address / now uexplain that to your partner if youre playing away). The intention is to avoid media coverage as its a hidden offence, one they do not want publised for fear of increased participation. " having sex in a public place is NOT an offence nor illegal, putting on a show for others or knowingly doing it where others will see however is an offence that is the law. | |||
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"We were caught by the police recently they threatened us with a charge outraging public decency, but they "let us off" and moved us on abmittedly we were at a known dogging spot but it was midnight on a Sunday night and we waited for everone to go before we started lol maybe Morrigan should have offered to relieve them of their stress. " I should have mentioned that we have been seen by the police in the past in non dogging spots and they have left us alone | |||
"We were caught by the police recently they threatened us with a charge outraging public decency, but they "let us off" and moved us on abmittedly we were at a known dogging spot but it was midnight on a Sunday night and we waited for everone to go before we started lol maybe Morrigan should have offered to relieve them of their stress. I should have mentioned that we have been seen by the police in the past in non dogging spots and they have left us alone "There's no question that if you get the right cops on the right night, you'll have a good outcome. Get the wrong cops or on the wrong night and things might end up very differently. | |||
"Apparently you cant get in trouble unless it causes distress and offence to a passerby who would then need to makes an official complaint.I once met a policeman from this site and he went dogging regularly and didnt seem concerned that he was breaking any law " this is right on the nail i actually asked a friend whos a copper she said if anyone gets pulled they generally take details nothings done unless u get caught in the daytime then ur in big trouble | |||
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"using fowl language " Is that calling the officer a cock? | |||
"this is totally irrelevant to what is been talked about." Not really irrelevant. I said earlier that the outcome can come down to the attitude of the doggers and the cops. If, for whatever reason, the cops decide to find something against you - they will. They might not be able to stand it up in court but they'll make your life uncomfortable in the meantime. It wouldn't be the first time a dogger has been followed home by cops who spent the next half-hour sitting outside their house with lights flashing - just to get the neighbours talking. | |||
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"ridiculous." Agreed but a number of doggers bring it on themselves by insisting on their 'rights'. Before they know it they're in court, in the local paper and on the Register. | |||
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"The offence relating to dogging is very similar to that of of theft i.e. the female can be charged with handling swollen goods or receiving swollen goods depending on what the copper sees "Add to that, GBH (gobbling behind hedges) | |||
